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Religious people, only about 50%. Vote. 50%.

You need to listen to today's episode. It's very important that you take what is said seriously. And we talked to Max Lucado about that. He joins the program to talk about this and even a little bit about the end times and what they may look like. And are we in them? And Representative Barry Loudermilk of Georgia joins the program. We finally have some more truth about President Trump's actions in trying to make sure that January 6th didn't get out of control. It's really important, so important that President Trump gets this out there.

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You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck Program. So let me just give you some data here on the latest poll from George Barna to determine how many people of faith are going to go out and vote. What would you say? People that are religious. What's the percentage that actually go out and vote? I mean, 60, 70? Hmm.

Yeah. Well, in 2020, it was 61%. Okay. That's maybe where my impression came from. In 2016, it was 54.6. Wrong direction there. In 2012, 53. Now, based on the survey, the new one, seven weeks prior to the election, if the election were held at the time of the survey, the expected turnout would be 50%.

It's surprising it's going down. Yeah. Of all things, you'd think almost the feelings are more intense to vote than they would be 25 years ago. Now, can you imagine if 70% of people who identified themselves as religious and were actually using the principles that they learned...

actually went out and voted can you imagine my next six weeks are hell glenn um this is my not my worst time of the year but my worst time of the four years yeah this section of life sucks i know right no and it if that happened it would make my life a lot better because i wouldn't have to really think that much about this stuff i wouldn't have to run numbers every day i wouldn't have to do any of that stuff because donald trump would win easily

If it was instead of 50% of voters who were religious voting, it was 70%, there wouldn't be much of a doubt of who's going to win this election. If you are a theologically defined born-again Christian, 52%. Turn out Protestant, 52%. Catholic, 58%. Evangelical, 53%. Mainline Protestant Church, 57%. Pentecostal, 50%.

Attend a non-denominational Christian church, 46%. Self-identified Christian, 52%. Align with non-Christian faith, 50%. Self-identified Christian regularly attends church, 61%. Now here's the reason why people say they're not voting. The reason given by two-thirds of the non-voters, 68%. They say they're just not interested in politics or elections.

You probably should be because they're interested in you. Politicians are certainly interested in you and they're really interested when you don't pay attention. 68% don't pay attention. Other reasons? More than half of the non-voters included disliking all of the major candidates. 57%, 55% feeling that none of the candidates reflect their most important views.

52% say, my vote's not going to make a difference. Half of the non-voters say they will avoid voting because the election has become too controversial for their liking. 48% say, well, the election's going to be rigged. Not knowing enough about the candidate, 48%. How is that possible? I mean, all of the things that you could say, that one, I don't know enough. Well, you're seven weeks away.

you could look them up. You could do that. Guys, voting started. It's time to get the engines running. How many states have already started voting? I don't know that. Pennsylvania, Minnesota, South Dakota, New Jersey, Vermont, Virginia, Illinois, and Wyoming start this week. So it's time. I mean, it might be time to look at it. Right. So here's a couple of things that you can do. If you are in a church...

You need to convince your pastor or priest or whatever to teach the congregants that voting is a biblical responsibility of every Christian. It would cause an estimated 17% of the people of faith who plan not to vote actually participate in election day. If your pastor, your priest, your leader said, this is...

If biblically required your participation in an election to pick sound people, that's your responsibility. 17% more would vote. Hmm. Is that true? No, I just made those numbers up. No, I don't mean the numbers. I mean, is it biblically required? Yes. Oh, yeah. To select people.

to select righteous leaders. I mean, I think it's certainly a civic duty, but I don't think I'd ever thought about it in those terms. I mean, we talk about this stuff all the time. That would make... I mean, if someone made a good argument to me other than you...

That would probably, if I was a person on the fence. I could get somebody on. No. I could get somebody on. But I think if I was on the fence on that and I heard, hey, like, here's this scripture that tells you you need to do this, that would be something that I think from a pastor or priest. Sarah, see if we can get Max Licato on the phone. Another 14% claim that if they perceived the race to be close enough that their vote might actually make a difference, then they would cast a ballot.

Well, I mean, it doesn't get any closer than this one. And Donald Trump won states. I mean, what was the closest state? 11,000? About that, yeah. 11,000. It's very, very close. Yeah, if you choose, there are going to be other people like you. It is razor thin close.

A guilt-based or fear-based strategy might impact one out of every ten. You're going to hell if you don't do it. I like that. I mean, I'm willing to say that. I mean, I'm not going to judge you, but you are going to hell if you don't vote. One out of ten non-voters said that if a religious leader they highly respect endorsed a presidential candidate, then they could justify voting. What is that? I don't understand that. I don't understand that one at all.

I mean, you don't trust yourself? You don't have your own intellect? You don't have access to God? What is that? You do your own homework, then you pray on it, and you make a decision based on that. So what are the things that can actually make a difference? Well, let's look. For those people who are objecting that they're not interested in politics or election,

I know it seems like Washington is a far, far away place. However, political decisions influence everything you do. This one could mean you either keep your health care or you lose your health care. One candidate is saying they're going to get rid of all private insurance and we're going to go to a system like Canada. You don't want that. So you have health care. How about education? Are your kids in school? Tell me how...

One side is pushing for drag queen story hours in kindergarten and taking away your children if you don't confirm their gender selection. How does that not affect you? It's not removed from you. It is very, very close. One is talking about taking away private businesses if they care to.

Taking away your right to free speech. You can't say certain things. And if you do, you could go to jail. You'll be shut down. One is talking about price controls, which over and over and over again throughout history will drive the cost of your food and everything you buy through the roof. It doesn't work. How does that not personally affect you? It does.

It does. Everything you do, this election will touch you. You dislike all of the candidates. Okay, I can get that. I understand that. But sometimes it is the lesser evil mentality. But I don't think that's the case here. I think you could make a case that there is evil and then there is, I don't like the guy. Anyone who tries to take your freedom away

to choose your freedom. They will make the decisions for you. They will run your life. They will tell you what stove you can and cannot buy. They will tell you what you do with your own property. They will tell you exactly how you're paid. They'll take more of your money to do what with it? To go kill more people around the world? I mean, look, I was for the Iraq war.

I was wrong on that. It was the information I had at the time, but I really thought we were really different this time around. I thought we were going in to win things and not just to flex our muscles and really do nothing but waste lives. We see that that wasn't true. I've changed. I think most people have changed. So what side are you on? The side of, you know, it's really amazing to me.

The only right that Kamala's side will fight for is the right to kill. You don't have a right to free speech. You don't have a right to think differently. You don't have a right to stand up and say, no, wait a minute, hang on just a second. I don't think that's right. You're going to lose your right to your property. What right do they stand for? The right to murder children. The right to mutilate children.

and the right to go to war and kill people. That doesn't sound good. None of the candidates reflect your most important views. What are your most important views? My most important view is individual freedoms and liberties, that everybody has a right to make their own way. If you're

most important views don't reflect the Declaration of Independence, then you're not really, you don't know what an American is. An American believes that there are certain things that are self-evident, and among these things are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and that all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain unmovable rights that no man can change.

And the governments are instituted among men to protect those rights. So the government's real power is not in Washington. It's with you. I can't think of a more important idea than that one. And you might think, well, of course I believe that. Well, yeah, but a lot of people no longer believe that. If you do believe that...

You have to go and vote for that because one side believes in that. The other side no longer believes it. They'll give you lip service, but they're also telling you they're not, you know, they're not for banning fracking. They're not for all of these crazy bills that they were for there. Excuse me. Kamala's whole life, her whole life has been about those things.

In six weeks, she just changed her mind on everything? It's not reasonable. And as I said, your vote will make a difference. It's closer than you think even in Texas. Everyone needs to vote. And if you're a religious person, it doesn't matter if your vote doesn't count. It will. But...

You have a civic and religious responsibility to let your voice be heard in selecting good, honorable, or the most honorable person that you can find. The one that is standing up for the principles that you and I believe in.

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We have to share values. We might not all have the same religion or, you know, the same opinion, but we could agree, for instance, that life was precious at one point. We might not belong to the same political party, but we could agree that government should be kept small.

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My good friend, Max Locato. Hi, Max. How are you? Hello, Glenn. I love the idea of supporting these businesses that support our values. Way to go. I was unaware of the one you just announced. I'm going to check that out. Thank you. Dude, they're really good people, Max. You'd love them. So, Max, let's start with a question that I had this morning. Aren't we required...

as followers of Christ and, you know, even the God of the Old Testament, to vote and select leaders?

Absolutely. Absolutely. And on so many different levels. But my go-to passage on this question, and by the way, thank you for letting me have just a couple of moments to remind everybody that we are called as believers to support our government in

in the most direct teaching on this topic is in the book of Romans, uh, chapter 13, which is important to read in the context of Paul writing a church that was a, um, minority in society and also in a culture that oppressed believers. Okay. So with that in mind, uh,

Listen to what he says. He says every person must submit to and support the authorities over him. Then he says there can be no authority in the universe except by God's appointment, which means that every authority that exists has been instituted by God. Now, that's an interesting scripture. But I think what he's saying here, Glenn, is that God is sovereign.

And whether you like or don't like the person in charge, God is still in control. Then later he says those in authority are God's servants. And then he says, this is the reason you pay your taxes. That's verse 6 of Romans 13. You pay your taxes. Now, he doesn't say this is the reason you vote, but he could have said,

That's civic duty, right? And so I think what he's reminding us to do is that if we live in a culture, we have a role in supporting and directing the health of that culture. And certainly that would include voting. So, and Max, you can stop me at any time. I don't know how far down this road you want to go. But there are people that will say, well, I can't vote for Donald Trump because he's

He's done all these bad things and, you know, whatever they're convinced of. And, you know, I don't like the way he talks. I don't like the way he has treated women or whatever. How do you talk to somebody if—because he does represent a much more biblical agenda, right?

than the other side, and the other side is looking at things that just go against the Scriptures like crazy. How do you talk to people when you say, well, I don't like either of them?

I get it. I get it. My response would be twofold. Number one, I would say go talk to somebody who has lost a loved one in military service or talk to somebody who has served overseas in an international conflict and go tell them that you don't want to vote.

You know, I've never shed blood for our country. I never was called into military service, but I hold in highest regard those who have.

And I think the least I can do for them, even if I'm struggling on finding a candidate, the least I can do for them is my patriotic call, and that is to vote. And then secondly, I might say, could you go with me and pick out any number of countries, Glenn, Venezuela,

Cuba, parts of Eastern Europe, Russia. Let's go over there and let's talk to those people who never have had a chance

to express their opinion. And let's tell them that since we don't like our candidates, we're just not going to vote at all and see what they say to us. They would say, oh, I would love just to have a voice, a vote. So I get it. I get it. It's sometimes very difficult to land on a candidate that represents your values. But I think it's worth it to give it a go. Yeah.

So how do you, if you're just going to go off of, you know, your faith and

And it's not just that you don't like it. You think that they're both offensive to your faith. Okay. Well, I know people who think I can't vote for him and I can't vote for her. How do you, how do you decide in that, in that case, how, what scriptures would you point us to that's that could help you decide like what values are, are we looking for?

So my recommendation would be to, number one, choose to vote. Choose to vote. Then my recommendation number two would be to make a list of the values, I love your using that word, that

your heart. If you're, and weight them, weight them, make a list of your values, abortion, immigration, economy. I'm not trying to urge people in our conversation to vote a certain way. What I'm saying is you make a list of the values that you sense the Lord has placed a burden on your heart for and

And all of ours won't wait. Somebody may say, mine is 90% pro-life. Wonderful. God bless you. I can relate to that. I would say probably the same for me. Others might say, mine is 60% pro-life, 40% let's treat integration with a better tool. Okay.

Okay. So I'm just saying, make a list of the values that matter to you, weight them, and then say, I'm going to find the candidate that best reflects my values and

And as a pastor, I've never felt comfortable telling people how to vote, but I have felt comfortable in telling people, weight your values when you study scripture as a follower of God, as a lover of Christ. What matters to you? Because the Holy Spirit lives in you.

And he will help you. He will guide you. There was, I don't think there will ever come a time that we have one candidate that reflects us 100%. But certainly we can find one candidate that represents us at least 51% and go in that direction. What if your value, one of your main values is honesty and integrity? Mm-hmm.

The same thing. Same thing. It's tough, brother. And I'm very sympathetic. I still don't think that excuses us from not voting, though. I just don't think so. It's a civic duty. It's a privilege that people have died for. And I don't I'm not trying to be overdramatic, but if

I need to be overdramatic. I will. I mean, people have shed their blood for Max Locato to have this privilege. So I can't back out of it. I can't. I need to step into it. And if it's basically leaning a certain direction, then lean in that way. If you've got to hold your nose when you step into the voting booth, hold your nose. But just do it. You know, I think I think that's our call. So.

Max, I've known you for a long time, and I just love you. And I know you as a very positive guy. And I'm not one that I didn't expect you to write the book, What Happens Next? And that's all about the signs of the end times and what all of that means. And why did you decide to write that now?

Yeah, it's just what we're seeing in the world. In today's headlines, only about Israel and Hezbollah, only a

that something is happening that's unique in our day and age. Scripture speaks that in the end times, Israel will be surrounded by enemies, and there will be a great conflict for the land of Israel. So that's just one thing that I see. In the book, I list a variety of things, but even today's headlines are convincing me that we're not just in the end times, but that we're in the end of end times.

I do not think we should be... We're not in tribulation. No, sir, we're not in tribulation. Yeah, okay, we're just headed that direction. Yes, sir. It's my belief that Christ will come for his church before the tribulation. I know there are others who say we will endure that tribulation. That's a good, robust conversation. But I do believe that the Lord is sovereign, and I do believe we need to pay close attention to these signs because they're unlike anything else

Ever since May 8th, 1948, when Israel became a nation, we became, we entered a new chapter, a new chapter in human history. Yeah. So we just got to pay attention. You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck podcast. Hear more of this interview and others with the full show podcast available wherever you get podcasts. All right. We have a representative Barry Loudermilk with us. Um,

He is going to talk to us a little bit about the newly released transcripts from January 6th and the transcripts that show what Donald Trump said in the days leading up to January 6th, urging the Pentagon to take extra security measures to keep January 6th safe, and they didn't do it. Representative from Georgia, Barry Loudermilk. Barry, how are you? Good, Glenn. Appreciate you having me on again. You bet. So...

Tell me what this is actually showing us, because it's not just, if I may read the president what he said, there's going to be a large amount of protesters here on the 6th. Make sure that you have a sufficient National Guard or soldiers to make sure it's a safe event. I don't care if you use guard or soldiers, active duty soldiers, do what you have to do. Just make sure it's safe. That's what the president said leading up.

And yes, go ahead. And that was a sworn testimony by General Milley to the Department of Defense Inspector General. And that conversation happened on January 3rd, three days leading up to January 6th. And when did he testify to that?

He testified to that. It would have been later in 2021 to the Department of Defense Inspector General. Now, what got us in this direction is we were investigating the two delays of National Guard coming to the Capitol. There was the first delay because U.S. Capitol Police Chief Sunde,

he sensed the same thing the president did there's gonna be a lot of people here we're in the middle of covid a lot of the capitol police officers are being quarantined or they're sick he didn't have a full force he wanted some additional forces and requested dc national guard now that requires an official request

for the DC National Guard because the president can't just deploy military forces without a request, a separation of powers issue. Under current law, that had to come from the Capitol Police Board, which pretty much Pelosi is going to be involved in that decision making. But for whatever reason, his request was denied internally within Congress. So he had made a request

Even on to January 6th, he had made requests like when the outer perimeters were breached, he wanted National Guard. That was denied. That was denied. Finally, when shots were fired in the Capitol, the Democrats were like, well, we need help. At 2.30, the formal request was made to the Pentagon.

Send the troops. Now, we already know, as you just brought up, that President Trump had ordered the National Guard to be ready for deployment. That was the order. That's what General Milley said. And we know that they took that seriously because the National Guard on January 6th was mustered at the armory less than two miles away from the Capitol with riot gear ready to deploy. They were already there. So we know that somebody took that seriously.

So but from 230, when the request was made, there was about a three hour delay before the order was given for the National Guard to deploy. That's what we started looking into. Now, the IG started looking into that as well. The Department of Defense IG, their report was the National Guard wasn't ready.

That's why they didn't go. It was National Guard's fault. Well, we started having senior officers and enlisted members from the National Guard coming to us as whistleblowers saying, that isn't at all what happened. So we started launching an investigation into the DODIG report. And after this has been months and months of battle with the Department of Defense, quite frankly, that's the 800-pound gorilla in this town. I didn't think we were going to get anywhere. But Providence,

Something broke loose, and they provided us all the evidence that they had acquired, the DODIG, in their investigation, which was 44 transcribed interviews under oath. When we got those, we realized this was a huge cover-up because they were purposefully – the National Guard was purposefully delayed by the Pentagon –

uh they did not want the national guard here they didn't like the optics some were uh but that was most of nobody liked the optics but we didn't have senior officials who were saying my my ultimate plan was to make sure the national guard never got anywhere close to the cap so tell me about christopher miller because if i'm reading this right he was the acting uh secretary of defense

He said the president commented that they were going to need 10,000 troops the following day. I interpreted it as a bit of presidential banter or President Trump banter that you're all familiar with. And in no way, shape or form did I interpret that as an order or direction. On January 6th, everyone was like, did you hear the president's speech? I'm like, the guy speaks for 90 minutes. It's like Castro or something. No, I got work to do.

I was cognizant of the fears that the president would invoke the Insurrection Act to politicize the military in an anti-democratic matter. And just before the Electoral College certification, 10 former secretaries of defense signed an op-ed piece published in the Washington Post warning of the dangers of politicizing and using inappropriately the military. Nothing like that was going to occur on my watch.

That's correct. And that was testimony that he gave to the Department of Defense IG under oath. And what he's talking about is Liz Cheney kind of orchestrated in advance an op-ed by former defense officials, basically setting a stage. You know, they were afraid that Trump was going to come out and try to use the military to stop the count. There is nothing that...

any evidence that we have obtained or that we can find anywhere to indicate that that was in his mindset. But as I said earlier, someone took what,

Trump said, as serious because the National Guard had already been recalled. They were mustered. They were ready to go in the morning of January 6th. In fact, when the general commanding the D.C. National Guard finally was shown that statement that Trump made to General Milley,

He said, I would have taken that as a direct order. Politics and your political belief should never be a factor involved when it comes to safety and security. And I would also counter this. If they were afraid that there was an act of insurrection that was going to take place and they saw the violence going on at the Capitol that day,

And that was an act of insurrection. They participated in it by holding back the very troops that could quell it. And, you know, there's one thing about taking an order that is constitutional and one that is not. So, in other words, if he said, look, there's going to be a possible riot. We need 10,000 troops there. Let's make sure the Capitol is safe.

okay, well, I'm worried that he's going to use those troops for something else. No, because the military has to execute what the president says unless it's an unlawful order. Then it is their responsibility to not say, well, I was just following orders. In our country, you don't have that excuse. So if it was an unconstitutional order, the Pentagon could have stopped it, correct? Yes.

Right. Instead, they were just subordinate. Right. Is that the right word? Not only I think that's right. It's subordination, but also premeditated. Yes. I think there's a case to be made that this was premeditated because on January the 5th, the secretary of the army.

revised or sent a memo to General Walker, who is the commanding general of the D.C. National Guard, and placed greater restrictions on him on when he can deploy and how. I mean, they even restricted you can't be armed.

OK, it's all kind of restrictions. But basically what he said is you cannot deploy without my express permission that I have to give you the order. And that was unprecedented. That was the day before. So basically, General Walker's in the situation where if President Trump called him directly and said, get over there.

And the Secretary of the Army didn't tell him he would be in subordination. So there were greater restrictions placed on the D.C. National Guard, which to me shows some kind of premeditation. Maybe it was fear that Trump was going to go rogue or whatever, but he's still the commander in chief. And the request was to get National Guard there to help keep the Capitol safe, not to participate in anything, but to help keep it safe. You can't you can't convict somebody of future crimes, right?

You know, you can't say, well, this is what he intended. No. What he said as the commander in chief is keep the Capitol safe. Now, if he would have said, you know what, go in and tell Congress they are going to know, Mr. President, that's unconstitutional. I will not give that order.

And if he got on TV and said, you know, I'm telling them now to go in, the American people would not have been with him. They wouldn't have been with him. Right. No, not at all. But there's so many angles to this here. One is how did the DODIG...

out of all this exact same evidence that we're looking at, how did they come up with a report that it was the National Guard that was the problem? I'm still getting my head wrapped around this. There is no way you could come up with that conclusion unless you're just trying to cover for people who did things they shouldn't do, senior officers, senior civilians within the Department of Defense. And so we're asking of the Department of Defense IG,

How can this be? And when are you going to correct this? Of course, their response is we don't see any need to correct. But we have now made all this public. People can make this decision for themselves. I've said from the beginning, I'm coming to this from an unbiased opinion. We're going to just get the facts out there and let the facts speak for themselves. And there's another angle to this that's a problem. There are there are senior executives.

executive level folks in the DOD that testified

one thing to the Department of Defense IG, but testify differently to the Select Committee on January 6th. They shall go to jail. They're under oath. And so this is something that we're starting to look at now, doing a side-by-side comparison. Did their story change? Did they have a better understanding? Or was it that they were confident that their testimonies to DOD IG would never make it outside of the IG? Unbelievable. So

It's just more layers of the story, the corruption and the coverups that have happened regarding January 6th. Because as it comes down to it, the select committee on January 6th had a predetermined narrative. They had, before they started it all, Nancy Pelosi had already set what their final report was going to say. And they were going to collect evidence to support it. And as we've talked on this show before, any evidence that didn't support it or actually told a different story

They suppressed, they hid, or they deleted. And fortunately, we've been able to recover most of that. Congressman Barry Loudermilk from the great state of Georgia, thank you so much for this. I want to just reiterate one more thing. This is the quote. Anybody who wants to talk about January 6th, this is the quote, and you can get it from the House Subcommittee on Oversight.

This is the quote from Donald Trump the day before. Hey, look at this. There's going to be a large amount of protesters here on the 6th. Make sure that you have sufficient National Guard or soldiers to make sure it's a safe event. I don't care if you use guard, soldiers, active duty soldiers. Do whatever you have to do. Just make sure it's safe. End quote. Donald Trump, January 5th. That should close the case on insurrection.

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