Wade Wilson: No Redemption (Part 1)
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Is this thing on? What's up, you sexy motherfuckers? Welcome to another episode of Thumb Blonde. Today is going to be fun because I got my boy, J.D. DeLay in the house. Baby, what's going on? What's up, sis? How you doing? Dude, I'm so good. I'm so happy to have you here. I'm so stoked to be here. I almost bleached my hair to be here to fit in. The beard. The beard. No, I can't do the beard. The beard's sacred. Okay.

Why are men like that with their beards? So it's the male pushup bra. Like you can't see my undefined unchiseled jawline. I'm not Thorne Bradley under here. So I have to have the beard. I feel like you guys all say that about your jawlines. And then when you shave them off, like some of you guys have a really good chins and really good jawlines. Is that like an insecurity with men? Is their jawlines and their chins?

I mean, I think so. Like, uh, you know, I've classically throughout my life struggled with my weight. So, you know, there'll be a period of time, uh, you know, if I'm not on with my fitness where I would have a little bit of a double chin and, you know, it just looked really pronounced on me. I felt like I looked like a Turkey. So, uh, you know, the beard really comes in in the clutch, but I'm doing halfway good about my weight right now and everything, but it's always a struggle. It's like a sliding scale. As soon as I started bodybuilding, I got body dysmorphia. I have, uh,

I have swoleorexia. I always think I'm smaller than I am. Is that a real thing? Oh yeah. Wow. Bodybuilding will ruin your self image issues. I was talking with my girl Jessica about this cause she does bikini comps and we were talking about it last night and I was like, I already have an eating disorder. If I was competing like how you guys do like in those competitions, I'm like,

or doing any sort of bodybuilding, I would fucking tear myself apart more than I already do. Like that's a crazy thing to get into what makes people want to get into the bodybuilding aspect and do those competitions and stuff. I mean, for me, it just became an addiction that sort of like I did a replacement addiction when I first got out of prison. Um, you know, I started hitting the gym real hard and I met a dude that was a bodybuilding coach. He had a whole team of just

just amazingly built people. And I didn't really know what I was doing on a major level. So I went up to the biggest gnarliest, like best chisel dude there. And I asked him, I said, Hey, I don't know what I'm doing, man. Can you just give me a couple of tips? And he's like, come work out with this brother. What people don't realize is that those people that are serious about bodybuilding, they're

They're the kindest people. Like they can be so intimidating, but he just took me under his wing and it really just became a replacement addiction that really helped me to stay out of trouble for a really long time. I'm sure people are like, okay, what's Bunny doing? It's true crime. Why do we have JD here? So you and I met,

pretty much online because, you know, you have gone to bat for my husband a lot and for me, and we really, really want to just give you your flowers and tell you that thank you and that we appreciate that. As a matter of fact, my husband is at a Titans game right now, and he's like, you want to go? And I was like, no, I can't. I have a podcast today. And he's like, oh, who's it with? And I was like, J.D. Delaney. He goes, the prison dude? Yeah.

And I was like, yeah, he goes, I fucking love him. And I was like, I didn't know that. He's like, yeah, dude. He's like, I want to meet him. And I was like, okay, well, you know, stop by the studio on your way back from the game. So he's making it a point to come here because he wants to stop it. Yeah. Huge. He loves you.

His music has gotten me through such dark times in my life when I was in early recovery where I didn't love myself at all in any way, shape or form, you know, like addiction kills. And I listened to him when I was trapping, when he was doing trap raps and everything, but addiction kills was such a defining album for,

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I have. I haven't gotten to listen to the whole thing yet, but it's a fucking doozy, right? There's so many fucking tracks. Every track made me cry that I've listened to so far. So thank you for that, Jason. But, um, you know, we pre-ordered it, uh, and everything, but we weren't there to be able to get it, but I've been bumping it on Spotify every time I've gotten a chance. It's just been a crazy work trip so far. Yeah. No worries. Yeah.

So saying that much, I asked you to come on the podcast today to help me talk about a certain someone that you and I have. I don't know how to like the exact word to say, but we just we have a mutual dislike of this human. And I had in June at the end of June had stuck my foot in my mouth and got myself involved in a situation that I had no idea existed.

the entire story and we'll get into that later. But, um, you know, I wanted to bring you on because I love your viewpoints. You have been through the prison system and you, um,

are so eloquent with how you say things, but for some reason it's so macho and alpha and it resonates with people. And I just love that about you. And I think that we would be the perfect yin and yang while we're handling this person. And the person that we're going to be talking about today is Wade Wilson. But before we get into Wade Wilson's story, I want to hear a little bit about your story so that people can get to know you more if they already don't follow you on TikTok or your YouTube channel and stuff like that.

Yeah. So, um, I was a 20 year career criminal and drug addict. All of my, uh, crimes were drug fueled crimes. I've never been arrested sober. Uh, and, uh, you know, I think it all started, I was sexually abused when I was young. So a lot of my content is going after sexual predators. Um, a lot of the things that I've done in my life has, uh,

I don't ever want to blame my actions on anything else, but I feel like there were two separate paths and I went down a path and eventually I had to realize that I was using what happened to me as a permission statement for me to continue acting in horrible ways, you know, ways that hurt myself, ways that hurt the people that loved me, ways that hurt the community around me. You know, I was given an opportunity by a judge when I was facing a significant amount of time to be able to go to a treatment center and

And that treatment center changed my life. That judge changed my life. He had no reason to have any faith in me. I just got busted with an ID printer. I was printing out credit cards. We had counterfeit money. Oh, you were a scammer. Well, so, you know, I originally went to prison for stealing cars. I was a pretty prolific car thief back then. And I hated it. I hated that, you know, this was...

It was a crime where I was, you know, taking things from other people that were hardworking people. I always had this stupid justification in my mind that, you know, oh, there's insurance, but it was the bullshit that I told myself to be able to do the things that I knew were wrong.

Um, you know, when I was doing, uh, when I was doing credit card fraud, I was going after pharmaceutical company representatives. So I was stealing from pharmaceutical companies. Um, I'd seen what they'd done with the opioid epidemic and I'd lost so many friends and I just found another justification. You know, it's like, I'm not stealing from people. I'm

The Secret Service granted me a little perspective. They put me on my face. SWAT team and Secret Service grabbed me in Florida for that. And I got charged with organized fraud, counterfeiting. I ended up, they came at me later with sales of methamphetamines. They had a controlled buy on me from one of my best friends. Should have listened to my dog. My dog never liked that person. Only person she never liked. So they were snitching on you. Yeah. Well, you know what? I was doing scumbag stuff and, you know,

It is what it is. That person today is clean and sober and they work in the recovery industry. And I actually was their sponsor for a little bit, even after they did the controlled buy on me. You know, I'm never one to condone snitching. I don't think you can condone or you can snitch on sex offenders. And I don't think that civilians that aren't involved in the game can snitch.

But I don't condone snitching amongst, you know, criminals. But, you know, I just felt like I had received so much grace that I needed to extend that grace wherever I could. So plus he'd been like my best friend, you know. That's beautiful, though, that you can forgive somebody for that. Because, you know, growing up in the streets, we're taught to not forgive people who, you know, quote,

quote unquote rat us out and stuff like that. Well, anybody else can judge him for what he did if they want to. I've, I've chosen to let that go. Um, and now I see what the impact that he's having on the world around him now that he's clean and sober. And he's like, literally he works in a hospital and when people overdose, he's the person who comes and tries to help them, you know, get them into detox, get them into a treatment, sober living, sets them up with a program. Uh, and I do work a lot in that vein, uh,

You know, that treatment center really gave me the tools because you can, you can never build somebody's house in recovery, but you can offer them the tools so they can put in the work themselves. And they gave me the tools. And today I'm a recovery coach, peer support recovery specialist and a smart recovery facilitator. And I own my own recovery coaching business. And it's doing that work is what feeds my soul. Yeah.

And a lot of the other work that I do really is what brings in the money so that I can keep doing my outreach to people. I love that. That is such a beautiful testimony. And you have a really big YouTube channel, too. You have a pretty...

big online following as well. So, I mean, there's a lot of people who support and love what you're doing. Yeah. I've been blessed, man. Uh, I don't like to think of my, my YouTube as a channel. It's a community. Um, it's about every single person who, uh, is a part of it subscribed or not just as much as it is me. We support each other in the comments. We love each other in the lives. We cheer for each other's sober versaries. And you know, when people graduate or get new jobs, um, but it's like 1.2 million, uh,

And I got like 1.6 million on TikTok. TikTok seems to be less personal and more of a battleground, it feels like. But there are some really amazing people I've been able to connect with. So many amazing. Yeah. And I hear you on that. It's I feel like lately TikTok has turned into just this crazed cesspool of like who can expose who and who can hurt people and really like.

you people need to just love, you know, love always wins. And I just feel like, you know, it's, um, TikTok can be very, you know, dangerous, but at the same time, it's so beneficial because, you know, I got to meet you through TikTok and like, you know, we've developed our friendship. I got to meet your hot wife over here. So, you know, I'm super excited about our friendship, but are you ready to dive into good old Wade Wilson?

Man, if Wade runs out of haters, my face is on a t-shirt and my mama and my wife are crying. I'm always ready. But before I say that, I just, you said love always wins. I got love wins tattooed on my knuckles. Oh,

Uh, which is, you know, a profound statement for my life. And, uh, also ironic when somebody sees it right before they get catch a cold one for doing something wrong. Yeah. I love that. I love that you're a lover and a fighter. Cause I, I like to pride myself on being that too. Love is protecting the people that you love. And, and I don't, I don't just believe in protecting the people that I love. I believe in protecting the vulnerable, protecting the innocent, protecting those who can't protect themselves, uh,

I didn't get that when I was six years old. So now I like to do anything I can to be that for other people. I hate that that happened to you. I text you that, you know, and I just wouldn't, I didn't know that about you until you had texted that to me. And it just hurt my heart because, you know, in lieu of the song that just dropped that Jay had, like, you know, like, and then you tell me that I was just like, Oh my God, like this, you don't realize that.

How many people have like, why are we not talking more about this? The fact that 17 million people in three days consumed the song like that's crazy and could resonate with it, you know, like.

It's just really, um, that's a pan. That's an epidemic that we need to not a pandemic. That's an epidemic that we need to really start talking about a lot more. I feel like it's just so in the dark and nobody wants to touch on it because it's like, Oh, you're not supposed to talk about what happened to you and don't talk about that kind of trauma. But it's like, that's half, half these children that are growing up becoming criminals because I was one of them too. Um,

Something happened in their childhood that needs to be talked about. And yeah, I'm sorry that that happened to you and you never deserved that. But look at the man that you are today, you know? Well, thank you. And talking about it is a huge part of the healing process. People need to, it needs to be destigmatized, especially for men. That's why I started talking about it when I was doing public speaking and recovery in Florida. And, you know, there's literally never been a time that I've told my story that I've excluded that.

And there's never been a time that I haven't had people come up to me afterwards and say, like, I've never been able to admit to anyone else what happened to me when I was a kid. But seeing you do that, like...

I want to tell you. And so I'll take the time with them and sit down and listen. And it's always more than one person in a room full of people. Yeah. And, you know, especially for men, it's hard to talk about, but talking about it is what helps you heal and helps you get past it. And until you do that, you're carrying a piece of that person that did that to you with you.

being able to let go of that situation and cast that person out of you is so important for your self-healing. That's where I found self-love. Yeah, no, that's, and that's a heavy cross to bear, man, to have to hold that in and not be able to speak about it. Just that, that creates so much unresolved anger in your soul. And then that unresolved anger and return comes out in other ways. And,

If anything like that has ever happened to you, please speak up about it because you're not alone. And people like me and JD, JD and I have been through the same scenario and there's thousands of other people that are with you. And sucks that we're in that club together, but it's like, you know what, at least we can make it a family. Amen.

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All right. Well, going from one beautiful subject to a fucking disgusting subject. Here we go. Wait, here we fucking go. So, um, you know, in June, I, like I said, um, earlier in the podcast had stuck my foot in my mouth and yeah,

you know, I'm scrolling on Tik TOK and I, what happened was I let my business mind override my empathy. And I tend to do that. I'm a Capricorn. I'm always thinking about like, Oh, okay, this would be a great show and wrong. I should have never done that. And, um,

I honestly, when I had, I had said that I wanted to bring a murderer and that murderer was Wade Wilson on my podcast. And when I said it, I had said it while I was laughing and giggling. And a lot of people that know me, I'm not making any excuses, know that that's pretty much my disposition. So I wasn't like giddy over him, which is how the internet had interpreted it. And I understand that a hundred percent. Um, but you know,

I didn't know anything about this case, so I should have never fucking even said that. I literally had seen a few TikToks and I saw that he was claiming that he was innocent. And I saw that, you know, it was getting a lot of media attention and I knew my true crime was coming up that I do every October. So I had gone online and said that I wanted him on the podcast. Was it wrong for me saying I wanted him on the podcast? I don't feel that it was. Um, but

How I said it and not having empathy for the victims and the victim's family was absolutely not okay. And so...

Sticking my foot in my mouth, the internet had a strong reaction to that. J.D., you got to witness that and see everything that was going down. Oh, yeah. They found their little in. And look, like your approach with that video, I understand how people could have misinterpreted that. I noticed a lot of people latching on to you saying the word fascinating. Right.

The case is fascinating. I can't stand the dude. I do not support him at all whatsoever. Like I said, I will forever be a Wade Wilson hater. But the case is fascinating. There's a lot of fascinating aspects to it. And when you do true crime, wanting to have a high profile case that has that many twists and turns and, you know, be able to try to dig into it and dissect it.

you know, there's nothing wrong with that. That's why true crime exists. That's why, you know, the Netflix Dahmer special was so successful. That's why, you know, we have podcasts that get millions and millions of views. Morbid. Our girls shout out to our girls at Morbid. Absolutely. You know, there's nothing wrong with wanting to be able to actually sit down with somebody and figure out like,

why are you this person? Right. You know what I'm saying? Um, I do understand that, you know, you probably could have approached that a little bit better, but I think that people should know your heart by now. Like I didn't know you personally at the time. Now we've,

We've talked considerably. Yeah. But like, just, I think it bleeds through like your empathy, your compassion, who you are, your huge heart bleeds through. And I think that there was a lot of people who were just waiting for that moment to pounce and be like, Oh, she's fake. Yeah. So, you know, they, they found a little, uh,

reason to be able to jump in. But Wade Wilson's case is absolutely fascinating. And honestly, there's so much more that I don't think people know. Oh, it's insane. And we're going to dive into most of it. And then later on, we're going to bring Diane's boys on the podcast because they are here and

You know, this entire situation that happened and thank you for saying that, J.D., I appreciate that. I really do. And I just want to let everybody know I heard you. I listened to you and I have been behind the scenes diligently trying to learn and correct things.

um, how I approached that whole situation. And, you know, we'll get back, we'll get into it as, um, the story unfolds. I will let you guys know that I have talked to Wade and I've had two conversations with him and

I think he's even more of a douchebag after these conversations that I've had with him. Um, but saying that much, when that happened, I immediately was like, okay, I need to do the work. What would a real journalist do? And you know, if you, I think if you can pull up the list of like journalism ethics or something like that, the, one of the number one things about being a journalist is to not, is to have an unbiased opinion and to let everybody in the situation speak.

And that's where I was coming from. Should I have started with the victims? Yes, I should have definitely started with the victims because this man does not deserve a fucking platform at all. I am so sick of seeing this man on my fucking TikTok feed. And I've been working with you guys behind the scenes trying to get a documentary started. And so when this happened, I'm signed with WME and I have access to...

TV producers that at any time I could come to and say, Hey, I want to pitch them a show idea. And so my, my guy Lance at WME, I absolutely adore you Lance. Thank you so much for always believing in every crazy hair brand idea I have. Um, he actually created the Kardashians, um, their new show that's on Hulu and he's just, he's a mega mind. And I came to him and I said, Hey, look, I fucking stuck my foot in my mouth. And I, um,

You know, I want to make it right. And I want to give the victims a place to tell their story. And Lance said, this is fucking amazing. He's like, I think this is great. I think it has everything we need for a great documentary. He's like, and I would like to have Wade involved also. And I'm like, okay, perfect. He's like, have you spoken to Wade? And I'm like, no, I have not spoken to Wade at all.

So, um, that's where I'm going to leave that off. And you guys are gonna have to listen to the rest of the podcast for me to continue that story. Um, but that is kind of like how JD and I started talking and just like, uh, me and Diane's boys started talking and I'll, I'll get into way deeper into that after we discuss what and who Wade Wilson is. So,

I can, let me pull out my notes here. Um, how should we do this? Should we, should we just go over the key points of what Wade's done or do we need to really like dive into this? Cause I feel like he has, he's fucking played out JD and I don't know what to fucking even say. I totally feel like he's played out. I think that there's key points that a lot of people don't know. Like, I think a lot of people don't know about the escape, the drug smuggling, his, um,

You know, his prior arrest that he was not convicted of. Absolutely. Sexual assault. Yes. I don't know if we want to go into, you know, the, cause we could step, we could step wrong talking about the case that sealed. Right. The, you know, sexual assault against a minor case that sealed because it's sealed and like. And it's a minor and it's, we don't know. Yeah. We don't know the whole thing. We don't want to.

But he was acquitted of his sexual assault case back in, what was it, 2015? Yeah, I have all this down. So let's start...

Let's start with what Wade did and then we'll go into when he was born, how he was born to adopt a family, stuff like that. And then we'll get into all his criminal history just so people can have a little bit of a perfect. And just for the record, I feel like this should be said, like whether you had tried to get Wade on an interview or not, if I had the opportunity to get Wade on my channel, even being somebody who loathes Wade, I would have done it. I don't think I would have been, uh,

like very amicable with him. Right. Uh, I would have talked to him like a convict, probably more like his adoptive dad, Steve does. Uh, you know, Steve shout out to Steve. Yeah. No, he's a good dude. That's something we should talk about. Yeah, absolutely. We will definitely talk about Steve and, um, uh,

it's to saying what you're saying, like, yes, I agree, um, about talking about having, you know, any sort of criminal on a podcast, um, any sort of murder or not. I don't even want to marginal. I don't even want to put it in a box of just a criminal, um, a murderer that has murdered women. You know, I think how you approach that is 100%, you know, you don't,

give them, you don't glorify them. And I think that's where people thought what I was trying to do was glorify them. And I get that because I am so loving to everybody and I am so, but I am also trying to branch out and do other things. And like, I want to have my own TV show of whether it's true crime, whether it's something, you know, and I'm trying to learn. And so I'm happy that this entire situation happened because I wouldn't be, I

I wouldn't have learned as much as I've learned over these past, what, five, six months that this has been going on June, July, August, September, October, four months that it's been going on. And I'm just so thankful that it did happen because it led us, you know, together and then, you know, getting, like I said, getting to meet the boys and all that stuff. So, um,

All right. Let's talk about Wade Wilson here. And I mean, if you don't know who Wade Wilson is, I think you guys are living under a damn rock. But we're just going to give you like a little synopsis on who Wade is, what he's done. And also...

when I wanted him on, I just wanted to say this when I wanted him on the podcast was before everything came out about him. Okay. It was, I didn't even know he had swastika tattoos on him. That's how much I didn't know about this man. And that's why I should not have even fucking opened my mouth because I was floored when people were like, he has swastika tattoos on him. And I go back and I look and I'm like, holy shit. I'm like, God, I didn't even

know that you know I have to look because one small under the eye and the other one was covered in hair so you have to go back and look at yeah pictures of when he had more freshly gotten it because he went to you know went to jail was facing charges that definitely had the death penalty all over the table for them and

And the dude started getting white supremacist tattoos in like job stopper areas. It's such a trip to me because like every time I've gone to court, it's like, man, I need a button up shirt. I don't own one of those. Let's go find one that fits. You know what I'm saying? Like I've always wanted to put the best foot forward, but,

It's so weird to me that this dude went to county jail and just started getting terrible stick and poke tattoos all over his face. Well, it's a testament of the human that he is. And when you guys hear these phone calls that I had with him, you'll understand like he this this isn't an act. This is really who this fucking guy is, dude. And it's so sad because I feel bad for even having empathy for him.

for anybody other than the victims in this. And I, like I said, I always try to see every side of every story and, but I didn't know his entire story. And, you know, I, I,

I just shouldn't have, you know, said what I said without knowing so many of the facts. And for this to all play out now and fucking all the shit we're hearing on these phone calls and just the human that he is, it's just so gross. Like, he really is just not a good soul. Like, I have never thought somebody deserved...

a death penalty because I just don't think that we are supposed to, except for pedophiles, we are not supposed to take a human's life. You know, if you hurt a child, all fucking bets are off. Pedophiles aren't people. Exactly. Okay, perfect. And I'm sure I'm going to have people who get mad at me for saying that. But I just, to me, I don't think that I have the right to fucking say you deserve to die. Like me as a human, I just don't think I deserve that unless you've hurt a child. But this man deserves everything that's fucking coming his way.

Like it's I've just I am floored. But anyways, OK, so I keep saying we're going to get into this. So Wade Stephen Wilson was born on May 20th, 1994. His birth parents gave him up for adoption and he grew up in Tallahassee. Is that Tallahassee, Florida, and attended Child's High School and is listed in a class of 2012 students.

Wilson's biological parents were teenagers when he was born. His biological father, Stephen, testified at his murder trial and the couple eventually gave him up for adoption. So, you know, I feel like they gave him up for adoption, but have kind of remained in his life a little bit.

Yeah. Well, so Steve had his own struggles. You know, Steve has dealt with addiction. Steve was a criminal. Steve is a convict. Steve has gone through prison a couple of times, but Steve has always been the more of the convict code type of a person, you know, no women, no children. You know, there's certain things that you don't do. And even he's disgusted with Wade's behavior. So disgusted, in fact, that he's actually the one who turned Wade in. Yeah.

Wade called him and let him know that he had just killed two women. Yeah. And, you know, Steve was like, what, what are you talking, what the fuck are you talking about? You just killed two women. Yeah. So Steve ended up calling the police on him, which, you know, if I, I will go to the ends of the earth to protect my kids. But if one of my kids tells me, you know, I raped somebody, I, I,

killed a woman. You know what I'm saying? I diddle kids. I don't care. I'm going to beat their ass. I'm going to drag them down to the station myself. Steve handled that the way a stand-up dude should have handled that. Or that a man who's been in the system has learned his lesson from. Absolutely. And so, you know, there's people that... Wade likes to say that his dad snitched on him. I'm sorry, but when it comes to protecting women and children, there ain't no such thing as snitching. Yeah. It's whatever it takes because you are...

There's an order to the convict code, the rules. And it comes back from the Italian mob, the whole Emerita thing. But the first rule is no women, no children. That supersedes any of that snitching bullshit. When it comes down to protecting civilians and those who...

You know, which also extends to the elderly animals like Chachi, who your tongue is just amazing, sir. You know, disabled people. Yeah. You know, real convicts, even ones that are doing bad shit, you know, theft and selling drugs. We don't stand for that. I think...

People who do support Wade try to use him being adopted and having a hard start at life as an excuse for how he became. And I just, I feel like we've all had some fucked up shit happen to us, but you don't see us doing the things that he's done and acting the way that he has after he's done these things. Like I've never seen somebody be so pompous and egotistical after killing two women and just,

acting like nothing has happened and like he's the prize. Like it's just, it's really insane to me. He clearly has no remorse. He has no regret about the situation. Like anything that he feels negatively associated with the situation is because he ended up getting caught. Yeah. You know, he literally, he offered to take them to the body for a cheeseburger and a milkshake. Like you literally have somebody's family out looking for their body.

And you are trying to use giving up that location to get yourself a fast food meal.

It's disgusting behavior and it just shows a complete and total lack of empathy. You know, I would contend a lack of soul. Yeah. You know, you, you look at women love his eyes. Oh, he's got such beautiful eyes. I don't see a soul in there. I don't see any light in there. He has black, they're dark. I call them shark eyes. My ex who was abusive to me before he would put his hands on me, his eyes would go completely black. And that's why I call him shark eyes. And he has those same eyes. Yeah.

So here's the thing, and I'm sure that you've experienced this too, is that there are certain people who are capable of absolutely monstrous and disgusting acts, but they put on a really charming face. Absolutely. Well, most of them do. People always wonder, like, how did you end up with this monster? Well, because that's not how they come across. Absolutely. Wade can absolutely be charming, but...

Wade can feign empathy. He can act like he has compassion and everything. And it's a switch that he can turn off. You know, real monsters hide in plain sight. I haven't seen him ever act like he has empathy.

So there's, um, you know, videos of him at a wedding where he's, you know, being sweet and kind and, you know, he loved to wear that volunteer firefighter shirt. I don't even know if it was his shirt or if he stole it out of some firefighters car. I really don't. I haven't researched enough. Oh my God. Wow. Yeah.

You might have humped the firefighter for that shirt. I'm just kidding. No disrespect to firefighters. I'm just saying this dude, anything with a hole. Yeah, no, absolutely. Which we'll get into that too. But yeah, like, so, you know, I think that that was part of his costume because you see him in videos spanning across multiple years with different people, different sources where, and he's always wearing this volunteer firefighter shirt. So I, you know, he really tried to project that.

a certain image, you know, and a monster doesn't come up to you and like, Hey bitch, I'm going to strangle you to death. And then when you over with a car, they come in, they're like, Hey baby, what's up? You know, like you need a ride, like what's good. And they, they have certain pretenses of charm. Uh, you know, it's a common trait with serial killers and, you know, sociopaths. Um, and you know, there are times if you look at certain videos where you can see that in way

Oh yeah, absolutely. My abusive ex, we, it was the most passionate relationship I was in. It was the best sex. I've talked about this on the podcast is the best sex I ever had. The most tumultuous relationship because the highs would be high and the lows would be low. And you know, they're always so charming. You know, the devil doesn't come to you with a pitchfork and horns and you know, a devil tail. They come to you wrapped as everything you've ever wanted. And so he looks like Ryan Reynolds. I don't know.

I don't even think Ryan Reynolds is hot. I need, oh, and that's another thing I was going to say. I was going to say, I need a man who has face tattoos to, to circle back to the swastika thing. I forgot I was going to say this. I have a face tattoo blindness. My husband has covered all over his face and tattoos. So when I see people who have face tattoos, I don't zero in and see what they have on them. You know, you know, it's kind of like us with sleeves. It's natural. Yeah. You don't zero in on it. So that was another reason why, and not, not making an excuse, just saying,

I never saw the, you know, the swastika. It's tiny. Yeah. It's tiny. Yeah. Well, literally when I go to face tattoos and videos, I literally have to zoom because you can't find pictures where you can just really tell. Yeah. All right. Let's get into a little bit more. So you guys have learned that he was born to, you know, one set of parents and then he was also given up for adoption. Um,

He has a, he attended, I don't know if I'm pronouncing this right, Chili's or Child's High School and has a history of arrests in Leon County dating back to 2012 on charges of including sexual assault, burglary, child cruelty, and firearms offenses, according to the Tallahassee Times.

Police department. And there's more of a criminal record for him with things that involve children, but those records are sealed and for some reason I can't get into them, so I really can't

even speculate on details about that. It looks like, you know, charges were brought against him, but he's had multiple accusations that all have the same MO. Yeah. They all have the same MO. There's, you know, strangulation and rape and kidnapping, you know, whether it be, you know, what he did to, you know, the two victims he was convicted for, or, you know, the one that he got acquitted of, or, you know, Kelly, who the police decided not to, you know,

Follow through with that investigation because there was some conflicting evidence at some point, but it all runs with the same M.O. He has a particular thing that that he's been convicted of doing that it seems suspicious.

He does. So it makes me look back at these other cases where he didn't get convicted and go, this is the same shit that he did to these two women. Like this dude likes to strangle women. Well that, and it's not just women because Wade Wason is bisexual. He has an ex Chris who actually he got arrested for, um, stabbing, uh,

Chris, right? As his ex-boyfriend. So, you know, Wade swings both ways and it's not just women. So, cause I, for the longest time was like, this man just hates women. And then when, when it came out that he was bisexual and that he had actually gone to jail for him, I forget, was it Chris that stabbed him or he stabbed Chris? I think it was, he stabbed Chris and then

Chris ended up bailing him back out of jail because they were like in an abusive relationship. You are educating me right now because, yeah, that's something that I missed. Yeah. I didn't realize that he had had that situation with Chris. I knew about Chris, you know, and I also tried to get in contact with Joey Delgado. I don't think Joey really wants to be gotten in contact with. After hearing the phone calls, I don't think Joey is working with a full group.

Did you hear, like, so the new phone calls came out with Joey just recently. I haven't heard the new, there's literally, this is as Wade turns because it's everything. There's just a new fucking phone call of just bullshit. I can't keep up. Like I'm over it. I tuned out. Yeah. I'm so over it. Like after you,

once we can get into the story a little bit more, it's like, that's just so much. And the man just doesn't stop. Like when is the jail going to take away his phone privileges? No, no, he's on, he's on a 90 day phone restriction right now, 90 days. And then they're gonna,

to let him have his phone back? Yeah, they're going to let him have it back. He's also, his tablet can get incoming messages, but he's not allowed to send outgoing messages right now. He has a, in prison, certain states, you can get little tablets that you can use to do emails and stuff. You're not allowed to do social media. Florida, if you,

if you know the right people, you can get it jail broke. Like I have friends in Florida prison system that email me off or Facebook message me, or, you know, even people live streaming on, on Tik TOK from jail broken tablets or phones that they got in. But, you know, he's no, nobody's going to give him that. Yeah. He's in isolation. He's in death row. So, you know, it's gotten, it's gotten to the point where I think they're,

fed up with all of the bad publicity that DOC is getting because of this dude. Yeah. They let it slide a lot more when he was in County. Yeah. Now he's, he's department of corrections property. Yeah. He's literally a number now he's a DOC number and they're not going to put up with the same level of bullshit that a County jail will. Well, thank God. Yeah.

For all of us. Yeah. He just got spanked for 90 days. A huge shout out to phone calls from prison for bringing us all of this and being so cool and respectful and chill to work with. They're a really ethical outfit. They're awesome. You know, they really kept their stuff out there that they could have gotten crazy, crazy amounts of views on, but it was mothers putting weight on the phone with their, their minor children, um,

And they opted not to do that because the conversations went wildly inappropriate and vaguely sexual. And they were like, we would love to expose Wade on this, but we're not going to do that with a minor. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. They have phone calls of Wade. Okay. They have phone calls of mothers putting...

on the phone with their children and those phone calls turn sexual? Yeah, I think it's teenage children, but still children nonetheless. That's disgusting. Not like, you know, phone sex, but joking. You know, he's definitely putting his pinky toe in the water. 50% of what people say when they're joking has some truth behind it. It's the beginning grounds of grooming. Yeah.

you know, and so they, you know, they could have really made a lot of money by releasing those calls and they opted not to because anytime a minor's involved, they're like, we're not crossing that line. And so I applaud them. Shout out to them for not doing that to those kids, but man, people need to know. And I hope that they hear this podcast. I'll even clip that part. You know, there's stuff on their Patreon that was too graphic for YouTube. So they started a Patreon and

you know, they, even on Patreon, they've refused to do anything that could fall back on the teenage kids that were on the phone with them. So, Oh my goodness, that is so disgusting, man. This man. Okay. So he has charges going back to 2012. The, the ones involving the children, you they're, they're sealed for some reason, but the ones that you can pull up start in 2015. Those are the ones that I could find. Um,

And it said that Wilson was arrested on charges of sexual battery and kidnapping after a woman told investigators he raped her in his SUV after they met at a party in Tallahassee. Wilson denied the charges and a six person jury acquitted him at trial. So 2015, he's already showing signs of a not so great human. Yeah. That wasn't Kelly though. No. So this was before Kelly. Yeah. Yeah.

Jesus Christ. Kidnapping and sexual assault seems to be part of his MO. Anything to do with strangulation is he's really big on. So 2018 Wilson emerged as a figure in the trial of Denise Williams and Tallahassee, who was convicted of first degree murder and conspiracy and the death of her husband, Mike Williams and plotting with her lover, Brian Winchester to make it look like a boating accident.

His disappearance in 2000 was one of Tallahassee's most vexing mysteries until investigators finally leveled charges against Winchester and later on Williams. Winchester, who testified against Denise Williams, told jurors he tried to get Wilson, one of his jailmates, to fabricate evidence in the case. He said Wilson went so far as to offer to kill Denise, who was eventually sentenced to life in prison. Mm-hmm. Did you know about this? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Um, he's, so there's so many different aspects of this. There's so many, there's like so much, so much. So this dude stays really busy with the bullshit. Um, you know, uh, this is the type of dude. That's a great way to put it. Yeah. Um, there's so many different aspects. I've never seen somebody just so enthralled and fuckery. It's just drama. And I mean, like literally he's perfect for Tik TOK because it's, it's a constant flow of drama and nonsense. Um,

But, you know, there's that. There's, you know, the escape. He attempted to escape. But he didn't get far, though, right? No, he was trying to kick the window out, and that window wasn't big enough for a person to fit through anyway. And he's like 6'5", right, or something like that? I think he's 6'4". Okay. And people think that that'll keep him safe in prison. I'm like, I'm sorry. That's not how prison works, homeboy. Yeah.

No. You got shit twisted up. Like, they don't care how big you are. They don't care how small you are. They say the bigger they are, the harder they fall. Yeah. They'll take you out. Yeah. Absolutely. My first day in prison, I saw a dude get stabbed in the armpit so many times that he didn't make it off the yard. Mm-hmm.

before he was already dead. Oh, my God. Medical didn't even get to him before he was turning blue. Oh, my gosh. And that was my first day out on a prison yard. Oh, my gosh. And he was a big dude. And the dude who got him was a smaller gay dude. And he was just done being called all the slurs. And so he ended up getting him. And the big dude was a gang member, tattooed, like the dude you think of when you think of prison. Yeah.

So Wade's not going to be safe in there because of that. Yeah. There's so many things that Wade has done leading up to these murders and I'm getting to the murders in a minute, but I just want to kind of paint a picture for you guys that don't know this case of like the type of human that we're dealing with here. Like there were so many warning signs and he had so many brushes with the law and nobody locked him up.

Yeah. Like the judicial system fucked up. Like they failed by letting this man back on the streets. Repeatedly. Repeatedly. Repeatedly. So he's, you know, he's had the, uh, the sexual assault that, you know, clearly, uh, I've been charged and went through trial on shit that I was guilty of and I've been acquitted. Um, you know, I'm not proud of that now at the time I thought, Oh, I'm bulletproof.

ended up relapsing a week later and ended up with just bigger charges like within a month. Um, but you know, um, there's that there was, uh, he, the theft of firearms, you have that on there? No, I didn't know that. So it's crazy to me because stealing firearms in Florida, especially in this occurred after he had already been to prison once. Um, it's usually like a 15 year charge.

to have a stolen firearm and he had multiple stolen firearms. So it's weird to me that he didn't end up doing longer in prison. I think he only went for like 18 months or something like that. That's crazy. Which instantly starts bringing that, like, you know, if, if I was still on the streets and,

And we were doing stuff together. I would immediately disassociate from that dude. I would be like, that's not right. That dude's a snitch. Like, cause it's a mandatory minimum thing out there when you get caught with stolen firearms, especially if you're a felon, you know, if, if the gun's not stolen and you don't, that can be different, but like, yeah, that's one of those things.

This dude is just a fucking nightmare. So February 19th, I believe this is Kelly's story. Wilson's former girlfriend accused him in January of stealing her laptop and cell phone. The following month, she told investigators he kidnapped and raped her, but Wilson and his former girlfriend were under a no contact order. So that's Kelly. Yeah. Yeah. And investigators opted not to pursue the rape and kidnapping allegations. Okay.

According to media reports, Wilson pleaded guilty for pawning stolen property in the case involving his ex-girlfriend and was given credit for time served and probation. A media report also said that another woman in Lee County accused him of rape and kidnapping, but later decided not to seek charges.

Now, I actually got the opportunity to sit down and interview Kelly. Yeah. And Kelly is a sweetheart, dude. She really is a sweetheart. And I, you know, she was really brave and very forthcoming about her situation. You know, she was in tears multiple times, but she powered through it. Yeah.

The amount of evidence that that woman has about her situation, you know, the bruises, the marks, you know, the ligature marks from being tied up. Yeah, you can't fake that. No. There's no way. Because I know people have tried to call her story fake and like debunk it. And it's like, have you ever been bound?

bound and gagged before like it's and it's not fun yeah and she was beaten pretty bad um you know and that she did a rape kit and it it came back positive for wade's dna so you know i don't know what went on with that uh detective i do know that later on when everything happened and and uh they took a second look at it because of where wade's at now that detective uh was demoted

Due to that, Wade should not have been out on the streets to be able to do that. No, he's a menace to society. To these two women. And they failed. Now, there is some speculation that Kelly's story had fluctuations in it, but...

dude, it's such a traumatizing event. And he had her for hours tied up. He had her on the floorboards on the passenger side of her own vehicle, punching her while driving. Like she was in and out of consciousness at different points in time. Like you have to understand that when somebody goes through a traumatic experience like that, just neurologically. And I understand these things a lot better now that I've done a lot of training and understanding the, you

you know, the neuroscience of addiction and trauma. Neurologically, your brain will protect you from certain things. Can we pause real quick? Yeah, of course. I'm so sorry. Hey, baby. Hey, baby, you still doing JD? Yeah, we're in the middle of it right now. Never mind. Just want to make sure I tell him I'm going to say hi to the coach and I'm going to leave. Okay, I love you. Just make him stay. Bye. Bye. Told you. I'm going to scream right now. I'm going to scream. I love you guys so much. Oh, we love you. We love you guys. I do that.

I love her. She said, I'm so blind, but I can see that from over here. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, I'm, I'm hella Irish. There's a reason I don't wear a lot of red. Cause I just turned into a big old cherry tomato. So I would never cut you off in the middle of something like that, but I had to answer for him. You're good. You're good. I answer her calls whenever.

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like, and it was three years of abuse, you're gonna not get some certain things right. You know, like there's going to be a lot of shit is fucking hazy, you know, but it doesn't mean, and it doesn't negate the fact that it did happen, you know? And I feel really bad for Kelly because people are just like, Oh, you're a liar. You want the, you know, a lot of people are accusing her of like wanting the attention and the fame and stuff like that. And Kelly is just a sweet girl, man. I've talked to her before.

few times. Kelly was pushing to get Wade off the streets for what he did to her long before any of these people knew who Wade was. Yeah. This is not a clout grab for Kelly. This is not a fame chase for Kelly. Kelly doesn't want to be famous. Kelly wants people to understand who this dude is. Yeah. Kelly wants people to understand that the system failed her. Yeah. You know, she needs to be

at least validated in the tiniest little way because she went through all this and she did everything right in the situation. Absolutely. In my opinion, you know, she, you know, she called the police, she went down, she took the rape kit. That shit is so invasive that people have to go through. I don't think people that haven't been through it understand how invasive having a rape kit is. Yeah. That is so invasive. Yeah. And you know, she had to be treated for her wounds. Yeah.

She went through being, you know, investigated, examined, poked and prodded and all of this stuff to try to make sure that this didn't happen to the next girl. Yeah. And then they just dropped the bag. I feel like with a lot of DV survivors, the judicial system does not fucking help us.

At all. And in my book that's coming out, you'll hear that I have been the abuser and I have been the abused. I will always admit to what I've done wrong. And, you know, when I really needed the police and was like, this man is going to kill me. I need help. Like you're getting kicked in my face like a fucking dog on all fours after he threw a brick through my window to get into my house with a restraining order. The police fucking came and laughed at me.

And said, and pretty much put it on me like, oh, well, you know, seems like you like it is pretty much how they make it sound. And I just feel like if the, if the police and, you know, the judicial system would take this more serious and not think of it as like a toxic relationship or a passionate relationship and be stricter with their, um,

rulings the first time around, I feel like it would help this fucking situation a lot more. Here's the thing. And, and I, you know, I used to be a criminal and you know, I'm not anymore. So I have friends that are law enforcement. I just did the unsub podcast you know, and we had angry cops and donut operator. They're both, you know, law enforcement officers and,

And I have, you know, friends that I talk to that are police on a regular basis. And a lot of them have just a tough time getting the courts to push it through because a lot of the time the victim will change their mind. And, you know, a lot of the time with the officers, they'll get called out to a DV. They'll take the dude out of the situation or take the girl out of the situation. You know, there's.

domestic violence doesn't really have a gender on it. You know, there's clearly one demographic that is more avid with it than other, but you know, they'll remove the person from the situation and then the victim is back with them, you know, eight hours later when they bond out, you know? And so a lot of them, you know,

get jaded to all of that. You know, my good friend, Mike from Killer Bee, we were talking because he worked domestic violence for three years and it was really difficult for him because of how often he'd get somebody out of a situation and they'd go back to it. So he ended up going to child crimes, which has an even quicker burnout rate. And he made it eight years working in internet child crimes. But domestic violence is

It's one of those things that we don't take seriously enough. And, uh, you know, a lot of dudes in, I think a lot of people in prison, at least from my prison experience, cause every prison is different where I was at. We didn't fuck with those dudes. Like those dudes got their asses beat because a lot of kids grow up watching their mama get beat on.

And, you know, then they go to prison later on in life after, you know, years of trauma, you know, listening to their mom get beat on in the other room. And they find one of them dudes who's there for that. And they'll just piece them out, bro. You'll see them. You'll see them get like hit with 13 holes in them on the way up the stairs. And there's some places where they don't care as much about that as others, from my understanding, because all prisons are different. But yeah.

It's sad that a lot of this stuff gets overlooked and neglected because Wade could have been in prison. Yeah, he should have been in prison. He was in prison and they didn't keep him in there. He's been to prison twice before this and both were for like under two years. I think once was a year and a day or maybe 13 months. Yeah. The other was for like, I think he was sentenced to 18 months maybe, but like got good time and earned time. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, that brings us to why we're here and what he has done. So on the morning of October 7th, 2019, two Cape Coral, Florida women were brutally murdered. Christine Melton, 35, was strangled to death as she slept in her bed. Hours later, Diane Ruiz, 43, was strangled, beaten and pushed out of a car and run over repeatedly. Wade Wilson, then 25, he's only 25 years old.

was arrested the next day and charged with killing both women. The people that support Wade try to give him an out that he was on drugs and that he, you know...

He wasn't in his right mind and that's what led him to do these murders. But what about all the other shit that he was charged with before these murders even happened? No. Okay. So look, man, as somebody who was a drug addict for 20 years, I've done literally every drug except Flocka. I've never knowingly done fentanyl, but like unknowingly I had stuff that was cut with it and I was like,

damn meth isn't supposed to do that. Why am I nodding out on something that's supposed to make me go fast? But you know, um, there's no excuse. Doing drugs is, is not an excuse. Doing drugs is maybe an excuse for passing out somewhere. Doing drugs is not an excuse for meth.

making people your victims. There's not a single crime that I've ever done where I was sober. I've never been arrested sober for crimes. And I was 1000% accountable for every single thing that I've ever done. It does not matter. I chose to put the drugs in my system. I chose to do the crimes that I did.

It's not an excuse in any way, shape, or form. Mental illness is not an excuse. Childhood trauma is not an excuse. It's not an excuse to take somebody's life. It's an excuse to need help. It's an excuse to need therapy and support and networking and possibly even medication. So working in addiction, I find almost everybody that I come across has co-occurring disorders. They either got...

or, you know, bipolar or, you know, whatever the case may be, they need something besides just drug treatment and drug rehabilitation. And that's okay. It's okay to have those things. It is okay to not be okay. It's not okay to murder women. It's not okay to hurt kids. It's not okay to do the things I did, stealing cars, doing fraud. None of that shit is justified by substance use disorder or mental health disorders. Absolutely. Yeah.

And I just wanted to make that a point because, you know, that's what his supporters say. And I just find it so disgusting. Right. They'll find any reason that they can find. And they have like, they literally have no fucking, none of these people have a backbone. And it's not based off his personality because his personality is hot dog water. It is terrible. Yeah, he's the worst. When my production company wanted me to have that first phone call with Wade,

I was expecting a completely different human. I do not ask me why I gave this man any credit. And when I got on the phone with this man, I was blown away at how unapologetic he was and how disgusting he was. It almost in the phone call that I'm going to play for you guys. You will hear how I'm just kind of like, I don't even know how to respond to him because I'm just like, is this really fucking happening?

Like, is he really this fucking, like just does not give a shit about what he's done. And I haven't spoke on this because I've wanted to wait, you know, to speak on this and say my piece on it, because I know there's going to be, some people are going to be like, Oh bullshit. You wanted to talk to him because you thought he was hot. I've never thought Wade was hot. I've never once thought he was hot.

I like men that wear makeup, okay? My husband will tell you I love emo boys and goth boys. That's my shit. But I really...

wanted to find out, I really thought that I was going to get a person who was remorseful and like, man, I shouldn't have done this. And like, you know, like that was not the case with him at all. It's just absolutely. Hearing the phone call, uh, my instinct, I just wanted to punch him. He, to me, he has a very punchable face, uh,

Any face with the swastika on it, I already want to punch it right off rip. But, you know, just his, he just, that arrogance, it just seeps through his facial expressions. And I guess some women think that's stoic, you know, internet, netizens, is that what we call them now? Netizens? I don't know. Think that that's stoic, that for him to sit there and arrogantly grin while he's listening to, you know, his victim's families. Yeah.

talk about the effects that his crimes had on him. I personally don't get it. I want to punch a mud hole in him. By the second phone call, which you've heard the second phone call too, I was not having his shit. I was like, bro, listen, I've learned a lot and I'm not going to fucking... I've learned a lot and I've watched a lot and I've seen how you've acted and I'm not going to be fucking cool with you, dude. Yeah, you came back swinging on that second call. He threw you off just a tiny... You still held your mud on that first phone call, but that second phone call

Yeah, you came back with no bullshit. No. And I think that's when he decided that he really didn't want to do it because you weren't fawning at him. No. And, like, bro, I believe that the victims, after I went through all of this and fucking got to be close with Diane's sons and fucking really learn about the case and, like, kind of, like, engulfed myself in it, I had no fucking, like—

We'll get into the conversations, but let's get it. Let's talk enough about me. Let's talk about the victims really quick. And then we'll get into those phone calls and I'll be able to explain a little bit further. Cause then you guys can hear them and you guys can hear, you know, why I'm saying what I'm saying, but who was Christine Melton? Christine Melton grew up in Illinois and moved with a friend to Cape Coral where she worked as a waitress. She was a waitress.

She reportedly was godmother to her cousin, Samantha, uh, catamars child owned a cat and lived in Cape and a Cape coral duplex mountain love to dress up. And her favorite holiday was Halloween. Oh, and we're doing that. And we're doing this in October right now. Same sis. Oh my goodness. Melton had a quick wit, made everyone around her feel safe and understood and was precious. Not just to me, but everyone who knew her.

Melton was 35 years old when she met Wilson at Buddha live in a Fort Myers bar. And after leaving the bar and spending several hours at home at the home of Jason Shepard, Melton sailors and Wilson went to Melton's duplex where she eventually met her demise. Yeah.

That's terrible. She sounded like a wonderful woman, dude. She sounded like the type of person that me and my wife would hang out with and do fall activities. Yeah. You know, do spooky shit with you. Spooky shit. Exactly. That hurts my heart, dude, that Halloween was her favorite because same. I mean, look at my house. Yeah. Oh, gorgeous, by the way. Oh, thank you. It's literally a fucking just an ode to Halloween.

Who is Diane Ruiz? Diane Ruiz was 43, a mother, and engaged to be married, was described as caring and hardworking. She worked as a bartender at the Moose Lodge in Cape Coral and never missed a shift in five years. Ruiz was walking to work for her 10 a.m. shift when she encountered Wilson. A short time after killing Melton, Wilson saw Ruiz walking along a Cape Coral street and lured her into his car after asking for directions.

When she tried to leave, Wilson beat and strangled Ruiz, pushed her out of the car, and ran her over repeatedly. Her body was found in a field three days later. Yeah, and it's just crazy to me having watched the surveillance or the interrogation footage. Thank you again, Phone Calls from Prison, for releasing that. The interrogation footage of Wade where he's trying to bargain for the location of that woman's body.

Yeah. It's been days of past. So people want to say that it's because he was on drugs days later, he sobered up. It's been days and he's out there bargaining. He's gone to his cell. He's gone through some withdrawals. He's gone through coming down. They're calling him back out. It's days later and he's still bargaining with them.

to reveal where he left that poor woman's body. Yeah. While her family is out there wondering what happened to her. Yeah. And he's thinking about a fucking cheeseburger and a milkshake. To the people who think that it was justified somehow because of his drug use, think about that. That's just, it's really fucking horrific. Like to even think that

And those, uh, tapes hadn't been released, released online yet. Uh, phone calls for prison were the first people to get those tapes, weren't they? Cause I had never seen any of that. Me and my good buddy jumpsuit Pablo were, uh, we had just gotten out jumpsuit Pablo. Love you jumpsuit Pablo. Hell yeah. We got to give you your flowers too, buddy. Yeah. We was talking, um, and, uh,

It was, we had phone calls from prison had just gotten the young thug visitation videos. And we had all, you know, done little clips with thug talking to his girlfriend at a video visit. And she actually asked me,

phone calls from prison to take it down. And they're super respectful. They paid a lot of money, you know, because you can FOIA act that stuff, but you still got to pay to get the stuff. And they had gotten a lot of thugs conversations. And once she asked respectfully, they were just like,

Cool. We're going to not do any of this stuff anymore. And me and Pablo were talking about cases. That's awesome because most people would have kept it up just for the money and for the views and all that stuff. Phone calls from prison are super ethical people. So I told, I told Jumpsuit, I was like, man,

tell them they should get the Wade Wilson stuff. Cause I'm telling you right now that would blow up. And they, they went ahead and they did. And, um, them and jumpsuit started working, doing reactions to every phone call. Yeah. Millions and millions of views across YouTube. Uh, and you know, that's where we really find started finding out some of the drama stuff.

stuff behind all of this. And, you know, of course, when you, when we first started talking about all this, we didn't have any of this extra information. Like literally we had just what the media was feeding us. And like, you know, we didn't know like all the intricate details and, and,

It's just mind blowing. If, like I said, if you guys don't know the Wade Wilson story, go down the fucking rabbit hole and just, it's so much, it's literally just, and it's so much stuff that literally is just going to make your stomach turn. Nothing about it. There's no redemption here. There's no nothing like this man has literally dug himself into a hole and

of the abyss. He's engaged to like seven different people right now. The last, last I counted, I guess him and Jesse just broke up, but he's using all of these people while he's in prison to,

just relentlessly using people for whatever he can get out of them for money, for money. And for just, I don't know if he's bored in there and this is just how he operates. Like Kel, I had spoken to Kelly before and Kelly said that he's always been like that. Like he loves to just play women against each other. Oh yeah. And that's always been his thing. And that seems like what he's doing in jail too.

It's just, it's crazy. So moving forward, you guys know now what he has done with Diane and Christine. And after he dumps Diane's body in a field, he calls his father. Yeah, he called Steve. His biological father. His biological father, Steve, yeah. Yeah. And told Steve what he did. And Steve being, you know, just a solid old convict-

Uh, was like, dude, what, what the fuck are you talking about? Yeah. You know, and the way that, that Steve described what he said, that he ran over her head until it looks like spaghetti. Uh,

Who says that type of thing after they've just killed somebody? And Steve immediately after getting off the phone with him, you know, talked to his wife and they immediately called the police. They did the right thing. I don't care who has anything to say about Steve being a snitch or any of that. Fuck you for that. Steve did the right thing. That's what you should do.

Wade could have been out there on a rampage trying to kill more women. He would have. Oh, he even told the police later on he would absolutely have kept killing women because he liked the way it felt. So, you know, Steve stopped him from doing that. They picked him up and, you know, he's just kept making crazy decisions. He's gotten multiple other charges since he's been locked up fighting this case.

He, he's just a fucking scumbag and we'll get into those too. Um, so after Steve turned him in and Steve straight up says that, you know, attacking women is some punk shit. Uh, you know, I don't think if, if waited, if it had been a gang related thing, uh, or, you know, something with dudes, you know, I don't know that Steve would have called it. It's,

Steve stands on that business about no women, no children. And I just respect the shit out of that. Yeah. I mean, you have to respect that. That's, I mean, that's code. So after Wade gets arrested, he's charged with these murders. He's in prison.

prison, you know, for the next three years. And then April of 2023, this is what you were talking about, I believe, a canine identified narcotics at the Lee County Jail near an area where landscaping rocks are laid. Authorities recovered a gray grocery bag with two Ziploc bags inside.

Each bag contained loose cigarettes, suspected narcotics, lighters, and pills. Both bags tested positive for methamphetamine. Authorities determined Wilson was working with other inmates to plant the narcotics at the Lee County Jail. So, like, what you'll do is, Wade had a girl that he was manipulating. Mm-hmm.

bring the stuff and put it somewhere where a landscaping crew could pick it up. There'll be, you know, inmates that are on, you know, lower custody or lower charges like Wade himself would not ever have made like landscaping crew. But, you

you know, he can get a girl that'll come manipulate some poor girl into, you know, throwing her life away. And I believe she ended up catching charges and getting convicted as well for this. Um, cause it's 1000% illegal to conspire to get drugs into a closed facility. I couldn't imagine doing meth in a jail cell. I've done it. I've done it once while I was in prison. Uh, I did meth because that was my drug of choice. That was, uh,

And it was so miserable. I was up for three straight days and I ended up cutting little eye holes in my sheets so that the CEOs, when they do their walk, they wouldn't see that I was still awake. I think I've heard you tell this story. I had a little TV and I put my sheet over my head so I could see through the eye holes and people started calling me Batman because I wouldn't come off my bunk. I was like, just...

It was so miserable. Yeah. And just fucking on meth. Like, Oh my God. I have friends that would do acid in prison. And I'm like, absolutely the fuck. I'll fucking freak out. I can't, there's no way the walls are closing in. There's no fucking way that's happening. I need the woods and like, yeah, air nature. And,

Like, yeah, even on meth, like let me run in a field. Let me do something other than sit in a fucking jail cell. I could never do that. Yeah. But that's what he was trying to get in there. And, um, but that just goes to show, even after you're locked up for the murder of these women, you are still breaking laws. Like you have no respect for any sort of authority. Well, so he also, uh, he also got a charge for an attempted escape him and his Sally. Uh, he kicked the window, uh,

until it broke um now first off i don't think he could have fit through that window anyway he's not a very bright dude but they also got him on uh making phone calls trying to get a getaway car talking about the escape apparently this is the only convict the only i don't even want to call him a convict the only criminal out there who can hear that murderer two minute

conversation, uh, that you have to go through about this call is being recorded. This call is B they tell you like three times. I know. Cause every, every Saturday I get multiple calls from the Alaskan Avenger. Uh, and it's the same as shit. They tell you the call is being recorded. It's being monitored and he's on there conspiring about crimes. He's on there saying wild shit. He confessed to these murders to multiple people.

over a jail phone while facing these charges. All that's evidence. Every bit of that's evidence. So he gets on a phone and he's like, I'm going to need a getaway car, yada, yada, yada.

Because he's trying to kick his window out and they ended up burying the escape charge. He's not all there. No, he's not. Okay. He's not. I'm glad we agree on that. Yeah. No, he's definitely. It's like he almost wants to get caught for everything he does. I don't know. Like maybe it's like a fucking like a rush to him.

I guess I can't call it, man. Like when I was doing crimes, you know, and not glorifying anything, but I always weighed risk to reward. Like is, is the risk that I'm taking worth the reward? And if it was, I might do it because I didn't like going into jails. I didn't like going into prisons. It's a nasty ass place. Um, but they ended up consolidating his escape charge with that drug charge. He got 12 years for that drug charge.

Now you guys want to throw the book at him? He got 12 years for the drug charge that's run concurrent with the two murders. So... He should have gotten 12 years when he was raping and strangling people in fucking 2015. It would have stopped this whole thing. Yeah, no, it's just, it's insane. So...

Saying that much, June 12th, Wilson was found guilty of the 2019 murders of Christine Milton and Diane Ruiz. I feel like everything is just coming down on him now. Like there's no getting out. Like you have murdered these women. You're trying to smuggle drugs in jail. You're trying to escape. We're just literally going to throw the book at you. And that is when he exploded online. So June 12th is probably when TikTok,

started picking up and covering this entire case. I say covering quote unquote, and that's when he started finding Tik TOK fame and he was on everybody's FYP. And, um, before that it was just thirst traps. Yeah. I never saw the thirst traps. Hundreds of girls doing thirst traps. I know you probably weren't even aware. I'd seen them and I'm like, what is going on here? I hadn't seen, nope, never saw any thirst traps. I only saw him, um,

I only saw him in the, in the, uh, courtroom and just like, you know, people talking about it, like people commentary and everybody making videos about it and stuff like that, you know? Um,

So, and then this is around the time where I stuck my foot in my mouth and I had made that video that I did. And I brought you guys up to speed about how I talked to Lance at my agency that I'm represented by. And they gave me the green light for a documentary on Wade Wilson. And the last thing we had talked about was Lance had said, Hey, did you, have you talked to him yet? So after I made that video,

Wade had probably, I'd have to say six to 10 women reach out to me and I'm talking like they were like, Hey, Wade, Wade, this way that like had all his information. Wade wants to talk to you. Wade wants to talk to you. And one of them came across my Instagram and she said, Hey, I didn't answer any of them. And the only one I replied to was the girl who said, Hey, I'm Wade Wilson's girlfriend, Jesse. And

And I was like, girlfriend. Okay. So I was like, that's when I accepted her message. And I said, Hey, Jesse, how are you doing? And I, you know, I was very nice to her. Cause again, nobody even knew about Jesse at this point. And this is in June that Jesse is messaging me. So she's been. Nobody knew about Jesse till like a month ago tops. Right. And I knew about Jesse, but I, you know, it's, I'm not going to go online because especially cause I'm doing this documentary, I'm giving this all to the producers, you know?

So, um, she said, Hey, I'm Wade's girlfriend. He really wants to talk to you. Um, this is his information if you want to speak to him. So I reached back out to the production company. I'm like, Hey, Wade has reached out to me. Um, what do I do? And they're like, talk to him. And I'm like,

just talk to him. And they're like, yeah, just talk to him, see if he's willing to do the documentary and then get back with us and let us know. And I'm like, okay, cool. So I had emailed Wade. I said something like, Hey Wade, this is bunny. I, I, you've had numerous women reach out to me because I was kind of offended that he had so many girls reach out to me. I was like, Jesus Christ. I think he was flexing on you. I think he was trying to show you how many, uh,

women he had puppeted out. No, but I didn't like that. I was just like, I've had numerous women reach out to me and so he messaged me back and he's like, hey, Bunny, I see you got my message. And I said, yeah. I was like, yeah, how could I have not? You sent a lot of people my way. And I said, anyways, here's my phone number. Let's have a conversation and we'll go from there. And so that is how I got

in contact with Wade was through Jesse. So the first phone call, you know, I'm kind of free balling it. The production company is pretty much like, just be nice, you know, be nice. Don't be mean because we want him to do the project. I,

I go into this phone call with Wade and I kind of don't have all the story from the production company. So I'm not exactly sure what to say to him. So again, this is all a fucking learning curve for me. I go into this phone call with Wade and I'll play that phone call for you guys next in a second. Um,

And in the phone call, you can hear that I'm nervous because I just don't want to say the wrong thing. The internet has already came for me. So I'm just kind of like, you know, scared to say anything to him. But at the same time, I'm just kind of like,

you know, what, what does this guy want to be, you know, part of this, this thing? Cause I'm sure he's getting tons of offers. Exactly. Cause I'm sure he's getting tons of offers, whatever. And I'll play the phone call for you guys right now. And then you guys can hear it and we can dissect it together. All right, guys, we're back. We had to take a potty and a monster break, but we are back. So now you guys get to hear the first phone call that I have with Wade Wilson. And, um,

you know, we're going to play it and I will stop it at points that I need to. But just to refresh everybody's memory, um, you know, this was the production company had told me I had needed to talk to Wade to get him on board with, um, doing the documentary. So here is the first call that I recorded myself because I knew that I needed to record it to cover my own ass. Because after this first phone call, what Wade does is, um,

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I'm good. How are you? I'm doing good. So I instantly tries to like put on that Casanova voice. Yeah. And I'm just, I have my customer service voice on. It gives me the ick immediate. Literally, immediately. For some reason, I can't email. Some reason I can't email you. They like got rid of my email thing. I tried to fix it today so that I can't.

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what happened, but I know. But I wanted to keep you in the loop. I had a meeting today with my team because I'm signed with WME, which is William Morris Agency. And because this did get so much attention and like traction online when I said I wanted to interview you.

They were like, you know, if Wade wants to do the interview with you, that's awesome. But let's do this on a bigger scale, like maybe try to include like Netflix or somebody who can do like a documentary on it. The problem that I'm running into, Wade, and this is me just being 100% with you, is that people are not interested in paying you. So the reason why I said people are not interested in paying you is because in our...

which I would have to go back and look in them. They deleted the account, but it was maybe three or four emails that we had back and forth. He had stated in one of the emails that he wanted monetary compensation. - Nobody's gonna do that. - Right. - Nobody is gonna pay a murderer to talk about how he murdered innocent people. - Right, and I sent all the screenshots to my production company and they were like, "Absolutely fucking not. "We're not gonna pay this dude."

I feel like he doesn't understand the whole son of Sam law thing. No. And I tried to explain that to him in the second phone call, which we'll get into, but just wanted to pause it right there, you know, and rightfully so. So I don't know. I don't know if you want me to continue to just give you the platform to tell your story or if you want to go somewhere else, but I don't want to like waste my time pursuing this. If it's, you know, not something that you're going to want to be a part of.

Right there, what I said was I probably used the wrong terminology with giving him a platform. At this point, nothing had came out about him. Like he was, yes, he was convicted of these murders, but we didn't have all the fucking shit that had came forward yet. And he was claiming his innocence. And to me, that was like, okay, well, you have a story, you have a side that you want to tell, but you know,

the production company had told me like, Hey, you know, we need to get Wade on board. And so that's why I was like, you know, I don't want to pursue this if we're not going to get you on board because this is before any of the victims have reached out to me or anything. Well,

Well, come on. We have to be realistic about this too. Like clearly nobody's going to pay him. That's not a thing. So there has to be something in it for him, you know, for him to be able to tell his side of the story, whatever that may be at the time, we didn't know what that would be at the time. You know, we were even talking about doing the Netflix documentary and everything. Um, and you know, I wasn't even aware of the scope or the depth of this. And, and, you know, maybe the dude would have come on here and been like, man, you know, uh,

I fucked up and I did this. That's what I thought he was going to do. Like we didn't know what he was going to come out and say. Yeah. So. Yeah. Well, just keep, let's keep listening to the phone call because the real wage that he didn't hold back in the first phone call, which I really, you can clearly hear me get like kind of taken aback and like nervous. Cause I was just like, wow, this man really does not give a shit. Yeah. No, I want to be a part of something, but I'm definitely getting paid. I don't want to protect me. Somebody will, if nobody wants to, I'll just go.

Yeah. Yeah.

He doesn't care about the fame. That's all he talks about in those phone calls is the fame online. That's why he wants to hire a social media person with money from the money that was donated, the $90,000 that was donated to him for his legal funds. Which we'll talk about that too, because that just is insane. I don't care about anything. I care about getting paid. And if it's not about that, I don't want anything to do with it. Yeah. So if that's not what you guys are talking

You know, I mean, it's cool talking to you and everything. I know who you are. I like your husband, you know, I mean, for a long time, but I listen to him and stuff like that. But, yeah, no, it's not about money, man. It's not about nothing for me. Yeah, I get that. It's understandable, but I also understand where everybody else is coming from, too. Well, that's what you say to me, because you think I'm some, like, monster, and, you know, granted, maybe so, but at the same time, even monsters get paid. Everybody gets paid. And if you want to say that...

That's where I started getting offended because he's like insulting my intelligence by saying, you just want to do this for more likes, you want to do this for more views. And I was just like,

No, that's not why I want to do it. One, I'm trying to get into true crime and trying to, you know, broaden my journalistic, you know, approach to things and just learn to learn a new avenue, you know? And he just, he started rubbing me really wrong because he said, when he said even monsters want to get paid, I was just kind of floored by that. And, but still I'm trying to give him kind of like the benefit of the doubt, like, you

You can't be this callous. Like I was almost dumbfounded that somebody could be this callous. Well, you're coming at him from a professional angle. You're just letting him know what the reality is. And he's trying to like G up on you with this. And like at this point, had you told him that you weren't even trying to get compensation from this, that you wanted your part to be donated to the victim?

Is that what he was talking about? Yep. That's exactly what we go into right here. Um, because I, I start getting a little mad and I like have to reel it back because I'm just like, I'm not going to argue with this man over why I'm doing this, you know? Yeah.

Well, I didn't. Let me... Right. Let me interrupt you really quick there. Like, I don't know if you know about my platforms, but this isn't going to get me any more clout than I already have, you know? Like, this is just something that I'm doing because it's kind of like...

Kind of like switching gears and it's something that challenges me. So it's something that I definitely want to start doing. And I understand where you're coming from too, but also I don't think you're a monster. Do I think you've done monstrous things? Absolutely. But I do think there's a reason why you've done what you've done, you know? Right there is the only thing that I've ever regretted saying to Wade Wilson. And I will own that because he is a fucking monster. This was before everything had came out about him.

And this was me still trying to have a journalistic approach and still be nice and kind of give him the benefit of the doubt. Yes, you were adopted. Yes, you possibly have a traumatic brain injury. Yeah, you know, like I was just trying to be professional and just keep my opinions to myself. Now...

Those gloves are off. I think he's a fucking monster. And that is the one thing that I regret ever saying to him. Well, and I think it's important to keep in mind that like, you didn't know the depth and scope of this crime that he was just convicted of or the criminal history that, you know, he's left a huge trail of victims and damage in his wake. But I wasn't aware of that at this time. You weren't aware of that at this time. We just knew about this one specific case. Yeah, absolutely. And this, you know, this, this,

phone call. I keep repeating it because I just want people to know this one phone call was before this was right after he was convicted. So literally nobody knew anything but what the media was telling us. And that was it. Just wanted to throw that in there.

And I don't think that you need to be treated like a monster because you're already dealing with enough of the fucking consequences of what's happening. And honestly, I was kind of manipulating the situation because I could tell that he was getting heated. So I was trying to kind of

reel it back in to where I don't want to say I had control of the conversation, but you know, I'm trying to persuade him to be a part of this documentary. It's leverage. And you're talking to somebody who was just convicted of murdering, brutally murdering two women. So you're using whatever leverage that you could in the situation is absolutely justified. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely. And I see all sides of it. But I also do understand people telling me like, hey, there's no way that we can do that because any sort of compensation will have to go to the victim's family. I'm not I wouldn't be making any money off of this at all. It would literally just be my time and whatever. But I mean, like I said, I'm supposed to just do this for free.

Well, first of all, we don't even know what anybody's getting. That's my whole point. Like, we don't even know what anybody's getting at the moment right now. We just had one meeting today, and my... So the guy who does all of the...

TV shows with WME is like the guy who invented the Kardashians and like he's just a huge name. His name is Lance. He's an amazing man. And, you know, I presented him with this idea and they were like, so do you want this on the podcast? And I was like, no, I think if we could do it because my podcast is already huge. But I was just like, if we could do it on a bigger, better scale, then I think that would be awesome. And so.

Lance is making a couple phone calls, but I know how adamant you are about getting paid. So it's like, I don't want to waste your time, nor do I need to waste my time, you know? So it's like, I just, I'm always going to keep it. I'm always going to keep it real with you and I'm always going to keep it a hundred, you know? And I'm not going to ever try to like use your situation for any sort of gain on my behalf because that's not what this is. I just actually was really interested in the story.

And listen, I want to hear the story. I mean, that's just funny. I don't think it's fair for me to get literally zero, zero, zero. No, and I understand where you're coming from because I know you have lawyers and stuff to pay also. So saying that much, I just wanted to give you the update on what, you know, is happening. And when they come back to me and they tell me, you know, hey, this is this and that is that, then I can let you know and then you can make a decision from there.

What do you, okay, yeah, absolutely, no doubt. When you say, like, they come back to you and say this and this and this,

I mean, they could come... For you, I'm not positive. I know that they could come back and say, okay, Netflix is interested and they want to do a two-episode documentary. And, you know, X amount of dollars can go to the victim. And, you know, I don't know what they would say for you. This is my first time dealing with something like this. So it's not... I just know that...

Let's fucking do it. If the women don't love me, everybody else hates me.

And right there, if the women don't love me, everybody else hates me. So I thought it was really cute the way he was trying to talk to you about like, you could just pay me and nobody has to know. Yeah. And I just ignored that. I was like, I'm not even playing into this. Like he kept saying a couple things under his breath, like to try to like,

be like, you know, charismatic. And I just, I really was just trying to like straightforward, like, Hey, this is what it is. I'm being a straight shooter with you. Like, you know, I just want you to be a part of this documentary. I was literally so scared to say the wrong thing to, you know, even mislead him. Yeah, absolutely. And that's fair. Like I'm like so disgusted by what he's saying and just him in general. And

just snoring with his tongue out. And it makes it so hard to be disgusted because he's just such a baby. I know he's the sweetest boy. And this phone call is almost over with. And so, like I said, this had, this phone call was in June before anything had came out. Like I didn't know what I was dealing with. This was my first time ever dealing with this. Um,

We had, we even, I need to say, we even brought in a true crime investigator, Elizabeth, later on to give me some pointers and start teaching me from her angle. And she had been doing true crime with NBC. Elizabeth is so great. For 13 years. And I've got to like learn some stuff from her and just, you know, listening to her talk and everything. She's just a great woman. She came to one of the shows, but this is before I started working with Elizabeth from NBC, the true crime. Like they kind of,

The way TV works is they're like, Hey, we want you to get all these people to agree. And then once they agree, we're going to green light it and go. And that's just how TV works. So it was like my job to get everybody on board. So Wade was the first person that I had taught, I had spoken with, and I don't think there's really anything else in this conversation, but all the people at home know, like, it's not like you can call somebody who's in jail or prison. You have to wait for them to call you. So, you know,

You may have been able to message back and forth through email a couple different times, but then they cut off your email communications and he just calls you at some random point. Yeah. And all of a sudden you're just on the phone with some dude who was convicted of murdering two women. Yeah. And you're trying to navigate... With no training. Yeah. Trying to navigate getting this dude on board with...

with doing something where he's not going to get paid anything. Yeah. And he's trying, he's got clearly his own agenda with all of this. Absolutely. So absolutely. And then we'll finish out the phone call right here. I mean, I understand. I got one. It's ridiculous. I just want to lock my pockets a little bit. I mean, I figured the victim families, all of this, they're going to probably be all right. You know, I mean, I know how,

Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

Yeah, for sure. Well, are you talking to anybody else? Are you talking to anybody else who wants to do something with you? What are they offering you? No.

I asked him that question because he, you know, he did keep throwing the money thing around and I'm like, well, is there somebody else that's offering you money? Because if there is, I want to know who it is so I can go back to my people and be like, these people are offering him money. Isn't that against the law? Well, and you really got like knuckle deep in his ass when you said buying the pockets. Like when you, when you made that, he mentioned that a couple different times. Yeah. He's like lining my pockets. Like, you know how many thousands of women hit me up? It's ridiculous lining my pockets. Yeah.

bro, come on, man. Like, and the fucked up thing is those women are lining his pockets. No, it's disgusting. And, but the victim's son's GoFundMe is sitting at $5,000, you know? Like, it's just crazy to me. There is probably like one more second or one more minute on this one. I'm not like funny. Like, I'm cool. Like, look, I'm not like, I don't want to talk a lot. I don't talk a lot. You see, I don't know if you see me at trial. I don't talk a lot and I don't need to. And I'm not looking for like fame. I just want a little tongue change. But all these people that are hitting me up and stuff like that,

Which has been many. I literally delete them. Because I'm not interested. But I mean, listen. I'm not trying to take anything away from this. I'm saying, you're pretty cool. You're pretty big, platform wise. And you know what else? I like your husband from back when he was rapping. So why not? Jay's great. He's a great dude. I like when he was back with Lil' What Happened. And stuff like that. So I mean, look. If I'm going to do this...

Who better to do it than with you? Yeah, no, I appreciate that. So let me just, I'll always keep it 100 with you, and I'll let you know what people, what my people say. So next time I talk to Lance, hopefully my email account will be fixed, and I'll be able to just hit you up and just let you know what's going on from there, or you can make a decision. Yeah, I don't know why he says that with the email account. You might need to, like, make a new one or something. Yeah. Make a new account.

Through that girl.

And you can get a hold of me through that girl, Jessie, but he doesn't go into, and this was before all that was exposed with Jessie, you know? So it's like just the way that he treats the people in his life. I love that. I love that. You like seemed like you were instantly diverting. Oh no. Yeah. Yeah. Jay's great. Like trying to slide that out of the way. Like, don't talk about my husband.

Literally. Well, I didn't want to get personal with him. There's no reason to get personal. And then the ending of the phone calls me just talking about how many women he had reach out to me. And then it cuts off. He called me back about four times. I did not answer the phone because I was just like, I don't have anything else to say to this man. There's no reason I need to keep talking to him. And then so from there, I went to back to my...

uh, team at WME and, you know, we, we recalibrated and, you know, they said straight up, we're not going to pay him, but we would love to, you know, take this Netflix Hulu. Who else can we get involved? And so that's when I started reaching out to you. I reached out to Kelly. I reached out to Mila. I reached out to Chris. I reached out to Rosemary, um, all the players, all the key players that have been involved in this man's history of abuse and destruction. Um,

And everybody was on board, like everybody. The only person, Rosemary, is the mother of his children. I don't want to talk about her too much because she is such a sweet woman and she is so fucking scared for her children because of what's going on and how the online world has been. Rosemary was the only one who was very hesitant about doing it, and rightfully so. She's got his kids to protect. But she was very open to if she was going to do anything, to do something with us.

So, you know, that's when they brought Elizabeth in. Things kind of got stalled a little bit because then he got the death penalty. So after he got the death penalty, he was like in between moving things. And then that's when all this shit starts coming out. All these phone calls start getting released. Yeah. All this fucking weird fuck shit starts getting released. And in the midst of that, after I had that phone call with Wade, I

I get a message on TikTok from a girl who said, Hey, I'm Diane's stepdaughter and her son Brandon would love to speak with you. And I remember when I read that message, my heart stopped because I was just like, I didn't think any of the victims' families were going to reach out to me. And, but, you know, I was willing to, you know, talk to them because I wanted to talk to them and I wanted to see what I could do to help. And so, yeah.

I think it was that night I got Brandon on the phone and we had a conversation. And the minute I heard Brandon's voice, I started kind of crying because, and it's recorded. We have everything recorded. Um, because I just felt so bad for what had happened and everything that was getting said online and like for not having, um,

The empathy towards him and his brother. I was hoping to play the second phone call before the boys got here and just get, you know, briefly, you know, just try to get through the story with you guys. And then we can get Diane's sons on the couch. I immediately started tearing up and, you know, crying because...

This is right after I had talked to Wade, right after I had talked to the production company. And the first thing Brandon says to me on the phone is, Bunny, I'm not mad at you. He's like, I understand why you did what you did.

And I, I just lost it, dude, because I was just like, oh my God, like what a sweet baby. Like you literally fucking lost your mom to a horrific crime. I was insensitive as fuck and fucking completely just, you know, stuck my foot in my mouth. And you, the first thing you say to me is bunny, I'm not mad at you.

I'm just like, bro, like I'm like, Brandon, thank you. Like, I am so sorry, babe. And I was like, listen, I'm here for you. Let me tell you what's going on. So I briefed him on everything. I said, listen, I went after this happened. I went to my team. I've spoken to Wade. I told him the entire conversation with Wade. I told him everything I said to Wade. And he was like, I'm in.

He was like, literally. And I was like, really? And he was like, absolutely. He goes, I have things I want to say to that motherfucker that I didn't get to say. And I was like, oh my God. I was like, I love you. And like, this is amazing. And he was just so angelic and so sweet and so cool. From then on, I was like, okay, I have the victim's sons behind me. Let's do this. And yeah.

over the course of these past four months, I have developed such a cool relationship with, with Brandon, especially, but even little Zane, like little Zane has my fucking heart. Like you're going to get to meet them in a second. And just, I don't know. I just feel so protective over these boys now. And, you know, um,

it was laid upon my heart to donate to them privately. Um, I did not donate on their GoFundMe cause I know a lot of people when I posted their GoFundMe were like, why didn't you donate on their GoFundMe? It's because I donated to them privately and you know what I donated to them doesn't need to be, um, public fodder. And, um, you know, I've just have fallen in love with these boys and they're just such angels and so sweet. And I can't wait for you guys to get to listen to them talk and just hear their story. And, um,

Um, we will go from, we will go from the second phone call into, uh, sitting down with these boys. Cause I don't want to put the boys through that phone call. No. Yeah. So by this time, everything has came out online and Wade is just a fucking douchebag and there's no if, ands or buts about it. Like I said, the one thing I do regret saying to Wade Wilson was you're not a monster because you are a fucking monster. Um,

And, um, so by this time I don't even want to talk to him and I, I can show you guys emails, which I mean, my word is bond. You guys know, I'm not going to fucking lie. Um,

In emails, they're like, hey, so we need you to have one more conversation with Wade. Let him know who's involved. Let him know, you know, that we're going to be moving forward and just make sure that he still wants to be a part of this. And in the thing, I'm like, do I have to talk to him in the email? I'm like, I don't want to fucking talk to this dude. And they're like, well, you have kind of developed a relationship with him. But if you want one of us to reach out to him, we can. I was like, no, it's fine. I'll do it. I started this shit. Let me just fucking handle it.

So by this time, I'm just thoroughly disgusted with Wade and all his antics online and all his bullshit and scamming people and just running game on these girls and like just having no fucking empathy for what he's done. Wade took it upon himself after that first phone call that we had to start giving my phone number out to random women to reach out to me.

He had this relationship with this girl online who is so sweet. And at first she was like really mean to me because Wade had told her that I was like trying to hook up with him or I was talking to him behind my husband's back. And we were having like some sort of relationship. And this was like one of his girlfriends, a really pretty younger girl. And I don't blame her for falling for it.

And she posted about it on Tik TOK. And she said, yeah, bunny, bunny and wait are doing this and blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was like,

Wait a second. I was like, this is absolutely false. And I was nice to her from the beginning. I was just like, this is absolutely false. This is not true. I was like, he's outright lying. I've literally talked to him one time about doing a documentary and I've emailed him probably two or three times. That's it. There's no talking. I said, my husband knows that I've talked to him that one fucking time. I was like, there's no relationship or nothing like that. And I was like, and I'm not going to let him do this. Apparently he was telling multiple women this. So,

After like the third, fourth or fifth girl that fucking WhatsApp me, text me, reached out to me. I reached out to his girlfriend, Jesse, and I said, hey, I would appreciate it. I don't know if I want Wade involved in this anymore because I was getting so frustrated with all the drama. I was like, I don't know if I want Wade involved in this anymore because he's literally giving my phone number out to random women and.

And I sent her the screenshots and I'm like, look at this. I'm like, this is a woman reaching out to me on WhatsApp. This is a woman reaching out to me online. This is a woman saying that I'm having some sort of relationship with Wade behind my husband's back. And I was like, that's not fucking cool because that's not the truth. And I said, Jesse, you need to be careful because you're probably not going to be the only girl that he's talking to. And I'm

That's just me being a girl's girl. Well, and like, and clearly she wasn't the only girl that he was talking to because you have like eight other women hitting you up. Literally. Did I lie? You know? And so she was, and she, Jesse's always been nice to me. She was just like, yes, bunny. I understand whatever. So you'll hear the attitude change between both of us and him, especially because I just wasn't putting up with his shit. Sorry. I can't believe I forgot that whole fucking part. This is the second phone call that I have with Wade.

Production had told me to be nice to him, so I was being very facetious with him because if I wasn't facetious with him, I was about to fucking bite his head off, as you'll hear later on in this call. It goes there.

I stopped giving out your number. I only did that to like two people. You want to know something? I stopped giving out your number. I only did that to like two people. No, it was more like four or five, but okay, whatever Wade. Yeah.

You can stop doing that. What he's talking about is how I would screenshot these girls that were reaching out to me, texting me to Jesse when I said that I had emailed Jesse and been like, hey man, you know, he needs to stop giving my number out. I don't want him on, I don't think I want him to be a part of this documentary anymore because he's lying. And like, can I just point out that like in any life,

uh, you know, handing out somebody's number to strangers is rude as fuck. But like this dude, like went from a criminal life, right? Like, so he hangs out with drug dealers. He hangs out with, you know, criminals. That's a huge no, no. Like I'll,

Some people will cut a finger off of you for handing out their number to people that they don't know and you know people you are a celebrity Handing out your number to other people like that's that's like doxing you to people that you don't know I was very mad I felt very disrespected by - but do we expect any less from Wade Wilson? Absolutely not Okay. Well, how about how about

Oh, maybe Wade says he's talking to me because he thinks it's cool. Yeah, I never said that. You think I'm infatuated with talking to you? No, I never said. Like it's a big deal to me? Hold on. First of all, I've never said that. Secondly, don't talk to me like that or we don't even have to have a conversation. These girls are online posting screenshots of things that you have said. I've never said that you thought it was cool to talk to me.

These girls are posting screenshots of emails of these girls to like one of my girls, bro. Because they're posting them online. Do you know that? Do you know all these girls? And what was the comment? I do. I do. And what was the comment, though, that you made, Bunny, online? Because I literally have a picture of it. And it says something to the effect of, I need to show these people something about the red flag, the warning signs, this and that.

You didn't say none of that? No, I think what I said, which that's being taken out of context, they said, why would you interview Wade Wilson? And I said, because I think women need to see the red flags and the warning signs of somebody who's as charming as you. I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I don't say anything wrong. Everything I say is documented. Wade, you gotta stop. It's just like, yo, if you want to...

But if you want to interview me and we want to do this, we'll do this. But yo, all that, like, I'm just saying, all I'm saying is like, I appreciate it. I can't hear you. I said that? I didn't say that. Bros. Okay, but let me ask a question. Did you see, like, something, did one of them, I don't know who the fuck said that, but one of those girls say that to you?

Yes. No, I've seen screenshots of other things that you've said, like, hey, guess who wants to interview me? Bunny. And like there was some other stuff, too. By this time, I'm getting so annoyed with even having to argue with this man. I'm just like, are you fucking kidding me? Like, it's par for the course, though. When you hear about his other phone calls with other people, he loves to argue. I think it's like his kink.

Yeah. Yeah. So, and, and it feels like you're just done already at this point. Like I didn't care if he was going to be a part of the documentary or not. You know, like I was just like, at this point I was just like, I'm not going to keep begging this dude to be a part of a documentary when it's really about the victims. Yeah. 100%. And I don't think you ever resorted to anything close to begging. I think you just felt, it felt icky being nice to somebody who's like that. Right. Yeah, absolutely. You took the, yeah, you fucking were professional. Yeah.

And I'm trying to be, but it's like at the same time, I want to be like, dude, what the fuck is wrong with you? Like, do you not realize that you fucking murdered two women and you're on death row? Listen to the pretty pink panties that dude is wearing on his feelings when he's acting like he's offended that someone would say that they want to point out the red flags and the warning signs of somebody who is such a disgusting abuser that they just randomly kill two women, take two women's lives and

Yeah, no, absolutely. There's some other ones. The ones that I sent, the screenshots that I sent to your girl. What's her name? I'm going to pull it up right now while you're on the phone so that we can get this cleared up. Don't even worry about who my girls are. Maybe you shouldn't know.

I don't need you sending more emails and stuff. You know what I mean? Hold on, this is why I told her I wasn't. No, that's not. I was sending this to her. I'm texting now back and forth with Bunny. Hold on, there's other ones. This is what I said to her. I said, hi, babe. I heard he's telling a lot of girls on TikTok that him and I talk every day, and that is not true. I've talked to him one time on the phone and emailed with him to find out

What he's wanting as far as the interview, and I also heard he's giving my phone number out, which I don't appreciate. So I won't be interacting with him anymore. I do have a meeting today with another production company, but I might move forward without him. And the only thing I sent her was a screenshot of one of the girls who you gave my phone number to. So it's not like I'm trying to get you caught up. You're getting yourself caught up, motherfucker. It's the whole thing that made him mad.

His whole thing is that Jesse has control of his fundly account. Right. She has control of his money. He's telling her he's not talking to these other chicks. We know this now, like months and months later, everything that he was doing because he, you know, got $90,000, uh,

in donations and Jesse had his power of attorney. She had power over his, uh, his fundly money. And he was telling her, we've heard the phone calls. I love you, baby. We're getting married. I'm just using these other bitches, but they don't mean shit to me.

Uh, and you know, he gave your number out to a bunch of these other women. And so they start messaging you and you tell Jesse, like, why is this dude doing this? Like, stop this. He told on himself, just like he has every single step of this process. And literally just trying to have her back a little bit. Like, Hey man, if I were you, I'd be careful. Cause you're not the only girl. He had no idea that these phone calls were going to come out. And I think it's hilarious because it's literally in process.

the opening part of the phone call that you have to listen to that everything's monitored and recorded. Yeah. You don't know about a freedom of information act? No. It's fucking, it's just crazy. The only thing I sent her was a screenshot of one of the girls who you gave my phone number to. So it's not like I'm trying to get you caught up. You're getting yourself caught up, motherfucker.

Yeah, you're right. That's true. But listen, I mean... Yeah, you're right. ...piece of shit. You want to prevent girls from all this other shit. I mean... I never said that. I never said that. Not as like, you know... Listen, because me and you both know one thing for sure, and you don't have to, like...

This is a vague, by the way, this is a vague threat. This is a vague Wade Wilson threat because he knows that my husband, you used to live a street life and he was kind of insinuating that he knows the same people that my husband does. I don't give a fuck about anything, dude. Like check this out. Like, I know, I don't know really where you're from or who's who really you are. Like your background. I really don't know that. I do know that if anything, you know, some people,

Yeah, I get it. And I knew exactly what it was talking about, but I wasn't going to feed into it because you're not going to threaten me with fucking people from the inside or whatever the hell's going on. This should never...

This should never... No, I get it, but this should have never gotten as personal as you made it by telling these girls that stuff because they go online and they just run with it, dude. You know, if anything, I just feel like... Go ahead. I never called you stupid. No, I'm saying, but they are, I feel like, if they feel played out by me, well, what did you expect?

Oh my God.

Bro, look what you did. I had one conversation with you and you have all these girls posting about us. You know, like it's just it's wild. But anyways, let's move on. You're right. You're right. You're right. Let's have a fresh start. Yeah, let's have a fresh start. I don't have any ill will towards you. I already told you that in our last conversation. I did speak with a production. I wouldn't care if you did or anybody else.

But okay, thank you for letting me know that you film. - Okay. - Now what's up? - Okay. I'm like, okay, all right, dude, whatever. I'm just like, let me get through this fucking phone call, man. I talked to the production company and they want to move forward with a docu-series.

I would love to have you be a part of it. I think it would be awesome. I think the platform for you would be exactly what you're wanting. Choice words probably shouldn't have been awesome. But at that point, I was just trying to get this motherfucker to say, yes, he's in, get his lawyer's information and fucking give it to my fucking production company. He's insufferable. You're trying to get off the phone. Literally, literally. Like I'm before he can engage me into another fucking argument.

You know, they're looking into giving it to Netflix or to, you know, something of that caliber. We won't know until after it's found and after I sit down with you and actually do the interview. But because of legal reasons and the law, nobody is going to give any sort of monetary situation to you. There's a law called the Son of Sam law where they cannot pay you for your interview.

Tell me what that law is. I'm going to text my lawyer right now and see how true that is. Okay. What's that law? How does he not know that law? Every decent criminal knows about that law. Like, it's super straightforward. He's just... I've said every... Now you guys know why I feel the way I feel about him. I mean, this man is just fucking disgusting. There's nothing, like...

There's nothing charming about him. There's nothing cool about him. Like this man is just a stone cold murderer and it's disgusting. And if I've learned anything in this entire lesson was to just to never ever give somebody who could do the things that he's done the benefit of the doubt.

That's just something that you can't do. You know, like I, and I hate that because it's like guilty, you know, it's like you're, you're not letting people have room for change, but it's like the one time that I want was willing to like be open about something. I feel like it completely bit me in my ass. How do you feel about that? Okay. So there's a huge difference between someone like Wade Wilson and someone like my, my old cellmate who was 17 years old. He,

He found pictures that his little sister was being abused by his uncle. He tried to go to the police. The police wouldn't do anything. Nobody would help him. So he killed his uncle to protect his little sister. That's way different. That's a completely different situation. It is a situation by situation basis. You know, there's a lot of people who make mistakes. What Wade did is not a mistake. He does not regret it. What he did was intentional. And it was a thrill kill.

And he'd do it again, given the opportunity. Yeah. Now, the thing is, is that he's going to be in there with dudes. And, you know, even Steven, his dad, straight up said, you know, Wade's not violent with men. He's only violent with women because he's a coward and a punk. Well, the boyfriend, there was a violent situation. I...

Chris might be a different story. I don't think Chris is the type of person he's going to be surrounded with, the type of men that we were talking about that he's going to be surrounded with in prison. So look, Wade Wilson has repeatedly pretended to be unforgiven, unforgiven,

prison gang member. And I, I happened to know because I know multiple of those dudes, you know, Danny Collins, who's no longer involved in the organization and speaks out against white supremacy. Amazing dude. He's dedicated his life to that. And you know, crash one of my sponsors that lived at one of my sober houses. You know, I've talked to them about it. He is, he is, he has a green light on him. If he goes out to general population, the unforgiven prison gang is going to get him.

They want him because he keeps pretending to be one of them. He's taken tattoos that he's not allowed to have, and they'll carve those off you or melt those off of you. He was claiming during his first prison set that he was a member of them, but he's never been official, and they caught him having sex with a man, and white supremacist prison organizations are not...

uh, LGBTQ friendly. They caught him in prison having sex with a man. Yeah. And they beat him up. Wow. They beat him really bad. Is that how he lost his teeth? Uh, I think so. That's, you know, I was talking with, uh, Kelly about it and then I verified it through one of my friends who was actually involved with the gang and they're like, yeah, no, he's, he's,

that he already had a green light, but also we don't like people that murder women. We had no idea about his sealed child sex offenses in the past. And so he's like, we have a green light on him. Like it's an SOS. It's a smasher stab on site. So if he goes out to general population, he's safer, literally,

Yeah.

he's not going to get off of these charges. What he might be able to do is he might be able to beat the death penalty strictly off of a technicality because the law was changed last year in the state of Florida around death penalty. You used to be, have to be able to get like every jury member to

To vote yes for the death penalty when they go to, you know, decide on the death penalty or not used to be have to have all 12. They changed that law to Santa's push through a bill where it changed that law to you have to have eight out of 12. They just need a majority. And his crime occurred before this.

And he was sentenced after this. Mm-hmm. So they might be able to make a case to, you know, go back and retry him and have a jury vote again. And the jury might not come, you know, completely unanimous on that. Mm-hmm.

which is what they might require if they get that technicality. But that whole law where they changed the death penalty came at the same time that DeSantis pushed through the death penalty for anyone who sexually assaults a child under the age of 13. So I think it's a great law, personally. I know there's a lot of people who are anti-death penalty. I think there's certain lines that you cross that you shouldn't be able to come back against.

Um, and we shouldn't have to pay for your existence anymore. Absolutely. I agree with that with like the children and stuff like that. And like with cases like Wade Wilson. Um, and so, yeah, um, we'll see how that goes, how it goes in appeals, but he would honestly be safer and more comfortable where he's at. He's dumb to fight this. Yeah. I, I just, I can't even believe that he's wanting to fight this.

So, okay, we're going to get back to this phone call. I, do I even really need to play the rest of it? I mean, it's really just him fucking talking shit. Then he talks shit about Kelly and then I, and then he tries to like change the subject and he's like, so what are you doing today? And I'm like, and I caught myself cause I was like, I'm, I'm,

moving into a new studio. And then I was like, do you want to call me back? Or do you want to hit me back whenever you talk to your lawyer? And that's how I left it because I don't think we need to hear anymore from that. Yeah. He's it's just, it's trash. I really, the main thing that I wanted to get in there from that was, um,

how he was trying to run game on you. He was trying to make you a co-conspirator at multiple points in this. He wanted to make you a co-conspirator in paying him under the table, which is literally fucking illegal. So he tried to make you a co-defendant. He says it over a jail phone because he's a fucking stone cold moron. He tried to make you a co-conspirator because he's like, well, you know, I can't have you out here exposing all the girls that I'm talking to. Bitch, why do you think that

Bunny would be on your side like that. Why do you think that anybody would be on your side? I'm only reaching out to your girlfriend because she's the main connect to you and you're giving my phone number out to people. And I'm telling her, I don't want you to be a part of this documentary because you're just a fucking weirdo.

Dude, if you have something to hide, fucking hide it, you dumb fuck. Yeah, don't do it on recorded phone calls with numerous women. Don't say it on recorded phone calls. Don't go and give random strangers that you might know about, but you don't know five different girls contact info and then have your girlfriend hit him. How stupid can you possibly be? And then he's like offended that you didn't keep it street code on.

Bitch, there's no street. I'm not here to protect you. Disgusting, nasty motherfucker. I'm not here to protect you. I literally, like I said, this journey all started because I stuck my foot in my mouth and I have learned when I tell you the Lord gives me lessons. Boy, let me tell you, the Lord gives me lessons, but you know what? I wouldn't take back anything that I went through and that I learned on this journey because I have two boys downstairs that are coming up right now that are going to sit on this couch with us and they're

for the first time since this has ever happened. And I feel privileged that they trust me and want me to be a part of their journey. So we're going to bring Brandon and Zane up here and we will commence when they get up here.

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