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All right, gentlemen, coming to main stage next. This is Bunny. Get up there. She's got a tornado of titties coming your way. Get those dollar bills ready. She's got an ass that shakes like Michael J. Fox. So get up there and throw, throw, throw them dollars. Dude, that is fucking iconic. What's up, you sexy motherfuckers? Today, I have somebody that I have been looking forward to meeting. Not only me looking forward to meeting, but my husband was more excited about this guest than I was.
Ophelia, aka Mama Tot, is in the house, baby. How are you? Yes, that is me. I'm perfect. I'm so excited to be here. Dude. Like, I didn't realize how much...
Tennessee, this area is just like Mobile, Alabama. Oh, yeah. We're like sisters. Yeah. There's no difference other than the downtown area being just more lively than it is in Mobile. But man, everybody acts the same, looks the same. So it feels like home. Yeah. You know what Nashville reminds me of? What? A southern version of L.A.
Absolutely. A southern version of LA. Yes, and we're getting the traffic here too. Yeah. It's fucking bullshit, let me tell you. It gives me anxiety. I had anxiety getting here. Speaking of anxiety, how was it checking into the Airbnb yesterday? It was a little difficult. You know, everything is so technical and computerized and I'm not too savvy with that. I mean, I can barely work a laptop. I don't like it.
Um, but it was different. Give me a, give me a key in a hole. That's all I need. That's what my husband says. Okay. Yeah. That's what he said. Um, but yeah, uh, it was a little stressful for that, but it was beautiful. It's beautiful. Good. Yeah. We were laughing before the other cameras started rolling because the Airbnb host, I was like, so is there a parking pass? And he sent me like fucking three paragraphs and I'm just like, bro, I can't handle this shit. Yeah.
Airbnb aside, we got Mama Tott in Nashville. So did you go out last night in Nashville? You know I did, honey. Did you get recognized? Yes. Every time I went to the restroom, I was in there for 20 minutes hugging people. Yeah. Okay. And taking pictures.
um one of them there was a bathroom attendant in there and we had a whole therapy session oh she just I mean in tears and I I mean I ended up like tipping her $30 because we just had it was it was beautiful but everywhere I went honey there was somebody somewhere um I mean every I had no idea
That it was this many people that knew me in this area. Like, I just think people in Mobile know me or something. I don't know. That's why I think you're so much like my husband because my husband will go places and he always has people breaking down, crying to him, telling them his stories and how his music has touched them. Because he's a Mason. But so are you. And that's what I'm trying to say is you guys both have that same where you're just like...
oblivious to how much you touch people's souls, you know? Yeah, I don't think about it. I just...
You just do. I think that I'm talking to my besties every day on those videos. But I'm going to go out tonight and take some extra tissues because it was. Just pull them out. I was, I was, I was, I was a hot mess yesterday. Honey, we was drinking at 11 a.m. at the pool. Okay. We came back, got a shower and then went back out again and we bar hopped. Yeah.
Which, that was fun. Yeah. Okay. My bestie Rissa, she is just a ham. She's hilarious. She's a sweetie pie. She's hilarious. She seems very protective over you. She's amazing. Yeah. But her and Gibson are like buddy, buddy. They're besties.
But we had a great time. So we're going to go out again tonight and then head on home. I'm so fucking stoked to hear your story. I just let's, you know, let's start from the beginning because I know that you have a story, you know, with your mom and stuff like that, if I'm correct. So where were you born?
Mobile. So you're just a lifer. Never left. Sorry, my nose is running. It's I mean, it's home is, you know, I don't have much family there. But, you know, I've established family with, you know, my husband's side of the family and then my kids sides of their family.
um but yeah i was born there i'm 40. i'll be 41 in september you're beautiful i'm 42. we're just crushing it i feel like i feel like women that are 40 and above are crushing it right now like we're in our prime you know it's funny if you look at photos from like the 70s or 80s and see people in their 40s they looked like they were 60. right but you see people today in their 40s and you you
you can't even guess their age. No, no. That is wild to me. Yeah. You don't look like you're going to be like you're 40 to me at all. I hope not. You know, speaking of my mother, my mother was a beautiful woman. Um, I, I will say that,
Till the day I die. And she really did have some pretty daughters. I will say that. So you have sisters and brothers. So this is how it goes. Because I don't know if I've ever explained it in detail like this. Right. I've searched for like answers and I couldn't find it. So I was really curious as to that story. Well, I'm the baby. I'm the baby. Okay. So many, many moons ago.
My mother got married. Now, I'm not too sure how old. I would think probably in her early 20s. They got married young back then. They did. They did. She got married, and she had three children with that marriage. And I love him. That's my sibling's dad. We call him Papa. Aw. After some time, they divorced. And then, you know, years later, she meets my dad, and then I was the only one they had together. Mm.
On my dad's side, he gets married to this lady when he's 21. They have a daughter. They get divorced. He marries this other lady. They have a son. They get divorced. And then he marries my mom. Sounds like my dad. So I have two siblings that are my half-siblings from my dad.
And I have three siblings that are my half-siblings from my mama. Wow. But between my mom and dad, I was the only one they had together. Right. Same with me. Yeah. So it went like that. So my mom and dad were married until he passed away. And to tell you the truth, if I think about it now, if he wouldn't have passed away, they probably would still be married because he just loved the hell out of her crazy ass. Oh, fuck.
He was the only one that could really reign her in, if I can say it like that. Right. He knew how to work her. He knew what not to do to set her off. He just knew the tricks of the trade when it come to her. So... Did your mom suffer from mental illness? Oh, yes. It sounds like she might have been bipolar, possibly. She was bipolar. I think she was diagnosed...
I want to say maybe mid-30s, early 40s. It was around the time where I was about eight or nine years old, I think.
And I remember the conversations about that, like just in the house. She never came out and told me that. I just remembered hearing it. And then as I got older, I remember seeing certain medication on the table and, you know, seeing what it was for and stuff. So she never came out and said anything, but I just remembered it. It's got to be tough as a child to try to figure out, you know, put the pieces together. Why is mom acting like this?
You know, it's wild because when I was in elementary school, you know, first grade, kindergarten, second grade, to me, I'm thinking that's how every mama was. It's not, you know, I'm not realizing that mine was quite different. Right. Until I started to get a little older. Fourth grade, fifth grade, I would stay at other people's homes, you know, slumber parties. Right. Birthday parties. And I'd start seeing all these other mamas. Mm-hmm.
That would just be so nice and sweet. And, you know, I, there was, um, a little girl named Jessica that moved in the neighborhood. I met her on the bus and we became instant friends and her, um, mama's name was Ms. Carmen. Oh, she was so pretty. She was just a blonde bombshell back then. Um,
I would start going over Jessica's house and her mom, just the nicest thing. Do y'all want some lunch here? Sit down. You know, it was just heavenly, heavenly. So it wasn't till I was about in the fourth or fifth grade. I started to realize that I have someone different in my home. This, this, this, this is, this isn't normal. You know, um, there were just, um,
Was she physically abusive? Oh, yes. When did this start? When did the... As little as I can remember. You know, I tried to think about this the other day when somebody else asked me that question. And I can remember things back from kindergarten. Right. And so I remember at least I had to be five, six years old when the physical abuse started. Now, she wouldn't do this in front of my daddy.
at all. And there was one situation, uh, I think I was maybe about nine or 10. I hadn't hit middle school, middle school and mobile's like starting at sixth grade. So I was still in elementary school. I don't remember what it was for, which was probably nothing. Um,
But she beat me so bad with a belt. And, you know, if that's happening, you're going to start, you know, holding your bottom trying to. Well, as I did that, there were whips just up my arm, just completely up my forearm. She'd sent me to my room after that. I went to sleep. Of course, I cried myself to sleep.
My daddy must have come in there at nighttime when he got off of work just to check on me. And my arm was laying like this. And I had on a short-sleeved shirt. And he seen that. And I got woken up by him just verbally, because he would never be physical with anybody, just verbally in threatening my mother. Like, don't you put your hands on that baby. Just really...
You know, doing what he could. So he was very protective over you. Oh, he was. He was my angel. He was my protector. That's so... So when he was around, because he owned a car dealership. So he was not at home Monday through Saturday. He was quite a workaholic. Cars was his life. Oh, yeah.
So he'd be gone throughout the day and she was a stay-at-home mom. That was my next question. So I would only really be alone with her unless it was after school or in the summertime. Right. So it was much different for me when he wasn't home. But the second he came home, she would be nice or try to be kind. That's how my stepmother was. I grew up in a very abusive home.
with a very abusive childhood, a very abusive stepmother. And she would play me and my dad against each other. And it's evil would when you said that you would go over to other people's houses and see how nice them like that, like makes me just want to cry because I remember that same feeling as a child. You're like, why can't my mom be like that? You know, I just recognize like you just want to be loved as a child. That's all kids want. They just want that love.
So growing up with that in the house, was it, did the abuse continue as you got older? Oh, yes. Oh, my goodness. It didn't quit. It got worse. Were you the only child she abused? In the home. No, no. She did it to the other three. The thing is, and I feel it's okay. I can tell this story. I mean, I know it's not my personal story, but I know my big sis would be okay with this. Right. And if not, we can always cut it out.
Those kids got the hell out of there. And they went to live with their dad in Florida. They were little. They had the option to leave. They had the option and my mama didn't fight for them. Their daddy came down there and got those kids, my siblings. And my mother never fought, never nothing. It was okay. That's why my siblings grew up in Florida and I grew up here.
So I would see them from time to time. They would, you know, come for the summertime. It was just like as if as if she had custody of them and they would go to the dad's home. It was just flipped. Right. You know, so they lived with him full time and then they would see her just, you know, in the summertime and stuff like that.
Wow. So I was the only one that was completely raised in that home with her because I didn't have an option to go nowhere. You know, they were married. You know, they weren't separated or divorced. They were in their marriage. And they were both your parents. And they were my parents. So, you know, and it's like my sister said, she said, thank goodness, you know, thank goodness, because
they've got a great daddy you know that's what we just love him to death I mean he's I mean I was just with him right oh yes yes we love my husband loves him too yeah um but he he was wonderful he's a great dad always has been um and now he's an excellent grandfather but so I didn't have that option right um now there were a few times that one of my sisters um
um, you know, came down during high school years to try to, you know, see how it would work living there. Right. They didn't even last a year. They didn't last a year. They, they got, I even resented one of my sisters when she left. Cause you felt like she abandoned you. She abandoned. Yes. And I come home from school and all of her things was gone. Um,
Because she protected me too. Because she was a teenager. You know, she would fight back against our mother for, you know, how I was being treated. Right. Would she ever tell your dad like, hey, this is going on? Oh, yeah. Yeah. He would just yell at her and like.
you know, he didn't really have a choice, you know, I'll take you to court and I'll take, you know, because in his mind, for whatever reason, he thought that that was gonna, that was gonna work, but it didn't work because you're not dealing with a normal person. Right. You're not dealing with someone in a rational way. Um,
And it's so hard to explain that to people because everybody was like, why? Why did he stay? Well, I was he was she abusive to him, too? No, no, no. She never laid a hand on him. He never laid a hand on her. The only thing I ever seen between my mom and dad was just was just arguing. And she was just like a completely different human with him. Oh, yeah.
Wow. Yeah. And I can tell you that even me being a little girl, I would recognize that the arguments would be started by her. That's so wild as a little girl being in the backseat of the car thinking, well, you shouldn't have said that because now he's going to be upset, you know.
I was old enough to recognize it. What happens whenever you're a child that grows up in abuse is you become hyper aware of your surroundings and you become, you're in constant fight or flight. So you're zeroed in on everything. Like you're like, literally you're on a battlefield waiting for the next to step on the next bomb, you know, is what's happening. And that's hat fake.
Yeah, no, 100%. I grew up like that too. And that's why you were so zeroed in. You could read your mom so well because you were waiting to see when her next mood swing was coming or, you know, what was happening. And that's just a lot of pressure to put on a child. I have terrible, terrible anxiety. Me too. Of the fear of the unknown. Mm-hmm.
I have terrible claustrophobia, you know, in elevators and things like that. That stems from she made me sit in the bathroom for six hours one day as a punishment with the lights. With the lights off? With the lights off. I was scared of the dark. I was only eight years old. Oh, my gosh. But what I'm trying to say is every day when I would get on the bus to go home from school...
Would be okay, you know riding the bus in the neighborhood, but the closer it got to my home I
my heart would start racing. I would start shaking because I didn't know what kind of mama I was going to get when I walked through that door. Um, because it would just, it would change at any moment. Was she ever nice to you at any time in your life? Sure. There were times, you know, was it real or was it just because she needed something or wanted something? You know, I can recognize her, uh,
The fakeness, because that was always done in front of people. You know, people at the church, at a baby shower. That's how my stepmom was. Something like that. She would beat your ass in the car and then go praise God, you know. That's precisely how it was, you know. I was sitting in the pew one time. The night before, she had hit me so hard in my mouth that it had cut the inside of my lip because of my tooth. You know, it had hit that bottom tooth. Yeah.
And I was sitting in the pew and she was just standing up praising Jesus. And I remember just looking behind her thinking. So much anger. Do you even know what you did to me last night? Yeah. That's a lot of emotions as a child to be going through. Oh, it was horrible. So I did everything I could to kind of stay away from the home. Right. You know, when school was out, I'd throw my book bag on the couch. I'd dart out the door. Because...
When I was in first grade, on the bus, I met my friend Sarah, my childhood friend Sarah. And we met that day, and we found out we lived four houses down from one another, and that was it. And we've been friends almost 40 years later. But her mama, Miss Jenny, was everything to me. She did everything. She...
you know when I got my period for the first time I went to her you know when I was 15 and was worried I was pregnant I went to Miss Jenny you know I she was the mama that I so very much wish I had when I went home every day um God sent you an angel oh she was a complete substitute of a mother to me yeah and
My mother was getting the feeling of that, and she didn't like anybody to be better than her. She didn't like anybody to know what she did behind closed doors. She was always very afraid of what people were thinking of her and always thought someone was talking bad about her. Sounds like she has narcissism, too. Oh, terribly. Mm-hmm.
100%. Yeah. So then she would try to forbid me, you know, having, having that friend down the road because, because it brought you happiness. Yeah. She couldn't stand to see you happy. She, she didn't like that. She didn't want me to tell people my stories when I was little, you know, why did I have this bruise on me? Why this, you know, um, she didn't want,
that it's so wild how that really affected her about how bad she didn't want people to think that she was a bad person or I hate to use this word, you know, crazy, right? That she would go out of her way to try to be a different person in front of them so that they couldn't find something bad to say. Narcissists hate, um,
somebody else paint exposing them and painting a picture of who they really are because they they've built up so many personalities they're like puppeteers you know so it's like behind the curtain they don't want people to know what's going on behind the curtain they want it to seem like they're just this perfect package and they have all their shit together when really they're just falling apart that is very very true so I heard you mention that um you thought that you were pregnant at 15 as you started getting older
um did the abuse continue up into your teens um okay so it did it did now did you ever think to just fight back because I finally did well that's what I was getting at so my dad died when I was 13 oh no and that entire year after he passed I didn't really see my mama oh my heart goes out to her
Because, and I'm getting emotional even thinking about this, because God forbid something happened to my husband today. I wouldn't know what to do either. I would probably do the same thing. So she just kind of disappeared to her room. You know, didn't wake me up for school, didn't cook, didn't, she didn't do anything. Wow.
so I didn't see her for weeks and sometimes months at a time. Now, of course, I don't know if she'd come out of that room while I was at school, you know, but when I came home, if I tried to open that bedroom door, I got hollered at, you know, and,
She has suffered from depression her entire life. Again, I feel for her with that. But I cannot imagine what she went through getting that phone call saying your husband just had a heart attack.
If I ever get something like that, I would be the same boat. I couldn't imagine. So I will never, ever hold this area against her because of that. That speaks volumes of you, Ophelia. I empathize with that. I'm like trying so hard not to cry over here. That speaks volumes of the human that you are, that this woman has put you through so much pain and so much hurt, and you just still have so much love and compassion. Well, I have to.
You know, I don't have time to be angry and bitter and frustrated just because I got dealt a couple of shitty hands in my life. I love that outlook. It takes so much more energy to just be that way when you can just, you know, continue being a blessing in somebody else's life, you know.
Sorry, I'm over here fighting tears so bad. Because this really touches home. I can really relate to your story. Yeah, it's your life. Yeah, it's crazy. So I didn't see her for, I would say, about a year. How did your dad passing away affect you? Sure. Okay, so like I mentioned earlier, he owned a car dealership. And it was used cars. And he had...
Just an amazing reputation in Mobile for being, you know, a used car lot. He would go out of his way for families. There was this family that showed up one time. They had just enough money for the car. And my dad knocked the price down, then drove the car to the gas station next door, filled it up for him. Like he, my daddy was crazy.
best man on planet. So he had a wonderful business, wonderful business. But he refused to buy local. He did not trust the vehicles.
And that's probably why he has such a good reputation, you know. So every Monday he'd fly out of Mobile, or excuse me, Pensacola, and fly to St. Petersburg in Florida. And he purchased from those big auctions down there in Florida. And then he would have the vehicles transported on one of those transport trucks. Well,
He had been, he was a smoker, menthol, saline light 100. He'd been coughing for about three weeks. A cough just wouldn't go away. Just wouldn't go away. He goes to the doctor and he's told that he's got congestive heart failure. Now, from what we understand, that doctor told him, you've got to take some time off of work. You've got to relax.
You're a workaholic your heart is not doing good. Let's let's take some time off treat your body good He took about two weeks off and said yeah, I need to go back there out there and get some colors Well, my mama asked him to take my brother with him, you know, my dad's son from a previous marriage my brother Brad And my daddy said no. No, I'll go I'll be fine. Don't worry about it. That was Monday and
We get a call Thursday, and this is about two hours past the time he's supposed to be home. And, of course, my mama just thought he was just running late. And we get a phone call, and I answer it. And it's my grandfather, which is my father's dad. And he said, Opie, I need to talk to your mama. And I said, okay, well, she's in her room. And he said...
I love you. I said, well, I love you. My grandpa was great. I said, I love you too, grandpa. And he said, let me talk to your mama is serious. And I'm thinking serious. Okay. You know, I was 13. Not that is not what's going to cross my mind. I go in there and I open the door and I said, mama, my grandpa's on the phone. And I just kind of left the door cracked because I was going to listen to the phone conversation. Yeah. Um, we all did that as kids. Mama sat up on the edge of the bed. Um,
And I could see her back on the phone at the nightstand. And all of a sudden, with about 10 seconds, she starts screaming, saying, no, no. Then I opened the door again and I said, Mama, what is it?
And without, and I don't hold no grudge against this. Again, I'm really putting myself in her shoes. She just turned around and screamed, your daddy is dead. And just starts crying and screaming. I'm just really on the phone, you know, with my grandpa. And I thought, did I really just hear that? So I stood there just in shock and waited until she got off the phone and
I really don't remember what happened after that. Very disassociated. Other than I do know that I was the one that chose to call my sister, my dad's first child. My mother hated her for all the wrong reasons. You know, she ain't never did anything to her, just didn't like her. I was the one that did call my sister and have to, and have to tell her. Um,
And you were 13? 13. He died December 15, 1994. So right before Christmas. So I don't only remember pieces of the funeral. I remember my dress being too tight because I had outgrown it. You know, I remember just these...
Tiny little unimportant things about disassociated because you were under so much trauma that your brain just couldn't handle it. You pretty much like your brain just fragmented to cope and to be able to get through life. Yeah. In that moment. And I still I still do that today. There are so many things that I have forgotten about that I'd even went through.
Until I'm just driving down the road and all of a sudden a memory just pops in my mind, you know? I remember there was a lot of people at that funeral because he was so well loved in our community. He just kind of bent over backwards for just everybody. You know, he always sounds like an amazing man. He, oh, he was, he was perfect. Yeah. He said that's how he was so blessed. Yeah.
Because he enjoyed blessing other people. You know, he did the same thing for Miss Jenny. You know, gave her a car for almost nothing. You know, he just would do anything for anybody. But, so, yeah, I didn't see her for about a year. I just continued getting up, going to school every morning. You know, I'd set my alarm clock and got up. I rode the bus and everything.
Then I get into middle school. That's a lot. You have to deal with so much in such a short time of your life. You know, I just can't imagine just...
all that weight on your shoulders as a child, just knowing that you have to get up and be responsible for yourself, that you have to be, but when you're doing it, you don't even think about it. I know you just, you just do it. You literally just do it because that's your life. And you don't think, Oh, this is going to be hard or, Oh, I shouldn't be doing that. You, you just survive. And sometimes just exist. Um,
But, you know, so I'm turning 14 and I'm getting the feel of middle school now and boys and attention and, you know, what it looks like to go to a party and all that. And then I just things changed. Things changed. I started smoking. I started smoking marijuana, weed, the devil's grass, you know.
Just stupid stuff. Yeah. Stupid stuff. But that's normal. That's what all teenagers go through. Oh, of course. You know, I started doing that stuff at that age. I left home at 14 and never went back. So, you know, imagine what I did on the streets of Vegas. Yeah. We were doing snorting.
glass and I mean doing crazy shit. So yeah, no, I totally get it. But that's as a teenager, especially after all the trauma you've been through, you were just looking for an outlet. That is all you're doing. You are looking for any way you can to relieve whatever it is you're dealing with. Absolutely. So because I feel like, because I wasn't getting the nurturing and the love and the attention that
from nobody else. You know, it was just me and her in that home. That's it. That's just me and her. And I couldn't talk to her. I couldn't, I couldn't do anything with her. She gets physical with me when I'm about 14, 14 and a half. I don't remember what it was, but that was the first time that I had fought back.
I pushed her over the coffee table. Good for you. But I wouldn't mean to. I wouldn't mean to. But still, it was just. I wanted her away from me. Right. You just had enough. Get off of me. Yes. Is where that come from. Yes. And when I did that, I don't think she messed with me physically.
Again, really, I don't like a bully. I don't think she ever did. I think it was, oh, okay, she's my size now. I can't control her now physically. Right. You know, I think it probably resonated with her like, oh, okay, I may not need to do that now. Right. So, so I did.
and she got up and she walked off and I walked out the house. And, you know, back then there wasn't cell phones or social media. We all had them pagers, honey. The codes with the codes. And I walked to the neighbor's house and called somebody to come get me. And I don't even think I come home for like one or two weeks. And I still went to school. I stayed at my friend's house. I still, school was very, very important to me. Very important to me. Um,
And then I turned 15. You know, this is, you know, cutting everything a little bit shorter. You know, we don't have all the time in the world here. I mean, I'm loving your story, so you take your time. So, I'm 15 now, and I meet this boy. Lord, how mercy did I fall in love with him. He was just... Y'all, Lord, I fell in love. And this was not puppy love. He was something else. And...
I have sex, not thinking, not knowing this could be life changing. You know, you're not thinking that at the moment. It's the attention that you're getting. It's the love. That you need, that affection. It's all of that that you're missing. That doesn't make you, you're not a bad person. You literally have been through a lot of shit. You're a kid that's experimenting. What you're doing is normal for you.
you know a child that's been through all the that's precisely what the hell was happening yeah um so i so i didn't see what's crazy is that i didn't know anything about the symptoms i didn't know what did you get pregnant the first time you had sex oh i have a similar story too i ended up having to get an abortion because i was living on the streets but sure yeah um that's crazy that the same exact thing almost happened to me our stories are so eerily similar it's crazy
I did, but you know, when my daughter was 16, 17, you
you know, we had already had a million dadgum talks. Right. You know? Oh, that's how I am with Bailey. With Bailey, it's like, I try to keep the lines. I try to do everything that my stepmom did not do with me, you know, and break every emotional trauma that I ever went through and every generational curse, you know, and with Bailey, I try to tell her everything, you know, like,
we should, if anything happens, she comes and sits down and talks to me. And just like you, I couldn't go and talk to my, my stepmom like that because I never knew what kind of mood she would be in or, you know, she was never diagnosed, but she was trust her at all. And if you did anything wrong, the whole family knew about it. Like it was just one of those things, you know? Um, so you have sex for the first time you get pregnant, get pregnant,
Had no, had no idea. No idea. The, what, what happened and what made me, okay, wait a minute here. What's, what's happening to my body? I got my period, I think when I was like 12, 12 and a half, that was the first time I got in my period. Yeah. And that's a whole nother story because it is, it's hilarious. Um, but I woke up that morning, I think it was on a Saturday, something like that.
And my boobs were so sore. Now, from the time I first got my cycle, I had never had that symptom. Now I'm 40 and two days before I start my period, these things are engorged, you know? I have a little app that tracks everything in my life. I never had that symptom. So I'm thinking, what's going on here? Didn't think anything about it. At the time...
My friend Sarah, Miss Jenny's daughter, was pregnant. She's probably about six months, I think. Six months along. Um...
And I ended up calling her. I said, why are my boobs hurting? What did I do? Did I, like, pull a muscle? And she said, oh, Opie, you know, have you and Garrett, have y'all been having sex or doing it? And I was like, no. And I said, no. She said, are you sure? And I said, no. I mean, I just did it just like that. And she said, okay, I'm coming to get you. The thing is, Miss Jenny worked at a clinic. Oh, yeah.
A pregnancy test clinic. Wow. Now, it was Christian-based. So there were a lot of things in there, a lot of anti-abortion and all of that stuff. But because she worked there, you know, she could bring tests home or I could come there. So I ended up going to Miss Jenny, and Miss Jenny gives me a test. And as I'm waiting on it, she comes back in there and she says...
you know what would you do you know if if you're not pregnant this has to be a scare tactic you you've got to do things a little differently with your life now don't you think you know was not scolding me but helping me understand hey i might if this is a negative this is a good thing and i need to i need to take care of myself she was being a mom she was being a mama um
um so we had a little a little conversation you know 10 15 minutes and um she said okay well I'll be back and she comes back in there and she says you're pregnant and I wasn't scared I wasn't I didn't I think I wasn't it wasn't registering how serious this situation was for a 15 year old right because it is oh no it is um
So I said, okay. And I said it just like that. Okay. And she said, but now we've got to go tell your mama because, you know, you need to go to the doctor. You need to, you know, make arrangements for things and everything.
My mother is extremely religious. So, you know, I knew right off the bat abortion was not going to be something that my little self was going to do. Right. Now, I am a Christian, but I'm also pro-choice. I would have never...
You have to be. I mean, I got a daughter running around in this world and I want my damn daughter to have a freaking choice. Okay. I could have gone back in time and not got the, what happened was, uh, I ended up getting the abortion. They didn't give me enough medication. I was awake the whole time. So I felt them ripping the baby from my body.
And I was crying, telling them to stop, and they wouldn't stop. Well, the doctor ended up messing up something inside of me, and I had two ectopic pregnancies after that. Really? Yeah, so I paid for my choice as...
anything that I've ever done in my life that I've ever felt that I shouldn't do. And I still did it. I always, my karma always comes back around and you know, I always get taught my lesson, but I was a, you know, as a baby, I didn't know what was happening and I was pressured by the guy that I got pregnant by. And,
You know, it was just, I was living on the streets. I was a runaway, you know? So it was like, that was the hell was you supposed to do? What was I going to do? You know, but I 100% respect your decision. I think what you did was amazing and brave to do at 15. Yeah. It's, I mean, even though, even though, and I hate talking about politics, but this is, this is important to me because I feel like,
I feel like I'm a good representation of what a real Christian looks like, you know. Is abortion for me? Probably not, just because I'm an old, sappy woman and I'm in a different situation than someone who has to make a decision like that. I've never been in something like that, you know. And truth be told, nobody likes abortion. Nobody. Mm-hmm.
But the people who have to go through that, I can't even imagine, you know? But I think the government needs to stay out of people's business. I'm going to say that. Yeah, this whole thing that's happening in Texas and Illinois, right? It's crazy. Yeah, that's just... It's crazy. There's a lot of...
things I would love to speak about on that too. I just don't understand it. And I think a woman's body is, you know, her body. And if, what if somebody gets raped or incest or, you know, like there's just so many, it's too many scenarios. It's not black and white. It's not black and white. It's literally, there's so much gray area and what they're doing, I think is just not right.
It just wasn't in the cards for me personally. Yes. When you told your mom that you were pregnant, how did that go? She threw a Bible at my stomach. She was standing. Actually, I'd probably sit just like this. And she was standing in front of me because I'd walked in the door. Now, Miss Jenny sat in that vehicle outside. I'm so mad at your mom. To make sure.
that I was going to be safe delivering this information because she knew how your mom was because Sarah was like just wait till you start showing into and I said no I I have to be honest and I have to tell her right now and I I told her the same day I wanted I wanted to do everything the right way as I felt should have been done right you know um and I couldn't hold that from my mama even though
She wasn't a good one. You have such an amazing moral compass. I was still her child.
And I would certainly be devastated if my daughter kept something like that from me. Right. So I wanted her to know that still as her daughter, I respected her and I needed her to know is what I needed. And I said, well, I've got something to tell you. And she stands there and she says, what? You know, just an old attitude. And I said, I'm pregnant just like that. She looks at me.
And I don't know if you've ever seen one of these Bibles before. It's one of them big, thick Bibles. They're old, like from the 70s. And they usually sit on people's coffee tables at somebody's grandma's house. And they're heavy. Yes. She picked up that Bible and threw it at my stomach as hard as she could. As hard as she could. And she said, you are on your own with that bastard child. And walked away.
And I sat there a little bit in shock because I'm sitting here as a 15-year-old kid
child because I was a child trying to process trying to figure out is this a bad thing that just happened do I need to go tell Miss Jenny is is the baby okay like that's really what I'm thinking because you know you don't know this stuff you see stuff on movies and you know pregnant women fall down and they lose the baby I'm really not thinking of me right I'm thinking of this very tea tiny
you know, probably six week little baby in the inside of me. So she walked away and went back to the room and I grabbed my things and I walked out the door and I knew Miss Jenny would still be sitting out there. And she was, and I got in the car and she says, are we going home? And I said, yes, ma'am, we're going to your home. And she didn't say anything in the vehicle. We just drove. It was me, Sarah and Miss Jenny. I sat in the back. Just,
looking out the window just crying, you know, because I didn't need anything from my mother at that moment other than support. I, you know, no money, no nothing. I just needed her to say, it's going to be okay. I never got that, you know, ever. But I got it from Miss Jenny when I was getting out of the car when we got to her house and
She gets out of the car and she walks over there and she says, that's okay. I love you. And we're going to figure this thing out. Praise Jesus for Miss Jenny, right? She was wonderful. Wonderful. You know, here she was, has her own daughter pregnant at 16. And then she's got little Ophelia, because that's what she always called me, pregnant at 15. We're all in here crying. This is so...
I'm sorry. No, I needed the emotional release. No, it's just... It takes you back.
to those little girl moments, don't it? Yeah. That's what happens when my TikToks is people just, they feel in those moments and it makes them think that was me when I was 17 or that was me. When you do a EMDR, I always say it wrong. I don't know if it's EDMR or EMDR. I think it's EMDR therapy. I don't know if you've ever done that. They have you go back to the child and you and have these conversations with,
the child of yourself, you know, and it's one of the most emotional things you'll ever do, but it was really freeing for me. One of my other therapists that I've had told me about it.
I don't know, maybe about three years ago. Yeah. But it, I said, no, I think, I think that one will be a little bit too difficult for me. We do it when you're ready, but I've done, I did about two sessions of it and it felt, it was just such an emotional cleanse that I needed. I was about to say, it's probably a release. Yes. And so whenever you're ready, I would definitely look into that and, you know, take that time for you because I feel like,
just from, you know, just the beginning of your conversation. Now, the little bit, I know you're such a, um, you're a lot like me. It's like, it doesn't matter what we go through. We're always going to put other people's emotions before ours because, Oh yes. Deep down inside, we just don't want to hurt, you know? So, and yeah,
as you know, I'm 42 and I didn't get depression until I was 40 years old because of all of the abuse and trauma that I didn't deal with. So the past two years I've been on this spiritual journey of just trying to heal and just, you know, whatever tactics I can do as far as therapeutic and therapy to help with that. So I just don't ever want it to hit you like a ton of bricks one day, like it did me, you know? Um, I,
After you moved to Miss Jenny's, did you stay there the entire pregnancy? Well, I didn't move there. I stayed there for a few weeks. Okay, gotcha. And then my mother called me at Miss Jenny's house and said, I've made you a doctor's appointment.
So I'm going to come get you because I need to take you to the doctor. Now she was being like a normal mom at the moment. And I said, okay. And I was very grateful that. You just wanted her to love you. Oh my gosh. Yes. Oh yes, Lord. Yes. And she did. She came and got me from Miss Jenny's. And she took me to my first doctor's appointment. And I was like six and a half weeks pregnant.
and then I we left there and I I went home and tried to you know be normal now this was in the summertime that I found out I was pregnant if I'm not mistaken um but when school starts to happen which I think is August or September um
I go in there in the room now things are okay they're they're okay for those those few months right now she was still mean and hateful but there was no abuse physical abuse there were verbal there would always be that um but it it it wasn't just so so difficult that I needed to get out of there it was it was tolerable right you know
It was like a walk in the park for you if you weren't getting hit finally for once. Right, that's exactly right. But no, it was nothing physical during that time, which I was glad. But school was about to start. And that was the first year that Mobile County made it mandatory for kids to wear uniforms. You know, everybody was going to wear khaki pants, white shirt, or whatever school color you have.
And the reason they did that, and they did this years ago back in 1998 or 97, I think, was to cut the bullying down. You know, not everybody's able to have nice clothes and clean clothes and stuff like that. So they felt like, okay, well, if all of y'all are wearing the same thing, you don't have anything to say now, do you? I liked the idea. I thought it was cool, but here's where my problem fell in. So I went in there in my mom's room and I said...
what am I going to do about uniforms? And she said, I'm not buying you uniforms. I said, well, that's, you know, we can't wear normal clothes no more. She says, I'd be damned if I go anywhere to have to buy maternity uniforms. You are not going to that school and embarrassing this family. That's like just, you know, easily come out of her mouth. Just, it was nothing to her to say that. I'm sitting here thinking,
I'll be 16 in like two weeks, you know, birthdays in September. I have to go to school, you know. It became a huge argument. I called my big sister, Laurie. That's me and Laurie's like this. And I said, can you please talk to her?
Because if I don't have uniforms, I can't go to school. I got to go to school because, honey, I didn't care what I had to do. I was going to be a forensic anthropologist. That was my goal. That's what I was going to do. I was going to University of Knoxville, Tennessee. That's where I was going to go. And I'm sitting here thinking, if I don't get to school, what in the world am I going to do? You know, so my sister gets involved. It becomes a huge conflict with my mother. Yeah.
It doesn't work. So I couldn't, I dropped out of school because she wouldn't go and sign me up. She wouldn't do anything. There was no other guardian that I had that was connected to my school records or
I even called Miss Jenny and I said, can we lie? Can we say I live with something to get me? I did everything I could. And Miss Jenny said, you know, I feel you. I love you. But I cannot get involved with something like that regarding, you know, your school stuff with your mom. Because my mama was terrible. Right. It was terrible. And I understood that I would be putting Miss Jenny in harm's way. So I dealt with it.
um where was the father of the child during all this um when i told him i was pregnant we we stayed together and then when i was about three months he broke up with me just out of nowhere he's a butthole and i'll me and him are we're like we are just i mean we've been friends for 24 years good
He didn't know what the hell to do. I mean, you guys were babies. He didn't. Yeah. I have never hated him. I never asked for child support. I never did nothing. Right. I just brought this young and into this world. And that's it. Anytime he would call throughout the years,
To see Gibson? Absolutely. Of course, you know, he will defend me for anybody. He is, I love him. He just got scared. He didn't know what the hell to do. And yes, I figured it out and he could have too, but he didn't. And I'm not holding no grudges. Well, men have it easy. Men can just walk away and it's not a problem. Oh, honey, he was living it up. He was living it up. He was partying. You know, at this time, I think he had turned...
So now he was the big shot going in the clubs now. Oh, I'm so angry. Oh, yeah. I hated him. The pregnancy was terrible. I developed preeclampsia at 32 weeks. I kept going into preterm labor. What is preeclampsia for people at home who might not know what it is? It is
Well, there's preeclampsia and then there's toxemia. I've actually had both with my pregnancies. Preeclampsia is when the blood pressure of the mother is elevated so high where, if I'm, I hope I'm saying this right, creatine,
spills over into the kidneys and they're able to see that through our urine when we pee in a cup, but the blood pressure skyrockets. And the only way to cure mama is to deliver this baby. So if mama gets preeclampsia when she's 28 weeks pregnant, that's bad. They're going to have to induce you and take the, yeah, it's really, really bad. Do you think it's because of all the stress that you were under? Um,
I asked the doctor that, um, which I thought was a smart question being so young, but I knew my daddy had high blood pressure. He says it could be. He said, sometimes it just happens spur of the moment for mamas. He says, sometimes it's hereditary. He said with you, there's really just no telling. Um,
And I said, well, what about because I'm young? And he said, it has nothing to do with it. He said, your age during the pregnancy, any woman can get preeclampsia or toxemia. But that's it. The only way to save your life is to induce the labor.
and have a c-section or if they feel you're okay to have a natural birth they'll they'll do that um i had went into preterm labor several times up until this point i was constantly being taken to the to the er my mother constantly taking me to the er just dropping me off um getting them to check everything out you know um and we were out yard selling one saturday
And I didn't feel right. I looked in the mirror, in the, you know, the pull-down mirror in the car. My face was very puffy. I noticed my feet were swelling. I had read that book, What to Expect While You're Expecting. So I knew the feet swelling was going to be more of a bigger issue once later in my pregnancy. But I'm 32 weeks, so I'm thinking, okay, well, that might not be a good thing.
So I tell my mom, I said, I don't feel right. Something don't feel right with me. I don't, I don't, I don't feel good. So she says, are you having the Braxton Hicks again? Are you having the contractions again? And I said, I don't think so. I don't, I don't think so. Cause I didn't really know what, what to feel like. Right. This is your first pregnancy. Each time that I had went into, which I think was about four times prior to this, um,
My uterus was not contracting for me to recognize what a contraction was. Right. I had just had severe pressure down below, which they said, you know, that that's.
usually part of a contraction but I wasn't I didn't know enough about a contraction to know that was part of that right so those other times I'd went into preterm labor my stomach never contracted I never had Braxton Hicks I had other symptoms that was diagnosed as preterm labor so this time I felt my stomach getting hard and
I was so young. I didn't know that was a contraction. Right. You know, so I said, I just don't feel right. Can you can you take me? She threw a fit. She was real mean about it. And she said, well, I'll take you. I'll just drop you off. And I'm thinking to myself, well, that's fine, because that's what you always do. Right. You know, well, she drops me off and they take me to the back.
They get a urine sample from me because when the nurse walked in, she said, how long has your face been, are you swollen? And I said, yeah, you know, cause I knew. Um, they immediately ordered the urine cause they had, they said they already thought this looks like preeclampsia right here, preeclampsia. Uh, and they tested sure enough. Uh, it was when about two hours, the doc came in, he said, okay, little lady, I've got to induce your labor. Um,
you have a pretty bad case of preeclampsia. So we're going to have to take this baby right now. Is that safe to do? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, people get in...
People get induced all the time. It's very safe. It's normal. Now, I don't know what it feels like to just naturally go into labor, walking through the mall and your water breaking. Yeah, it must be nice, right? Yeah, because all four were induced because of preeclampsia or toxemia. Gotcha. So I said, okay, okay. And I called my mama and she said, okay.
And I didn't see her until, you know, after the baby was born. So you did it all by yourself. Oh, yeah. With a nurse that I fell in love with was so good to me through the whole thing. I used to go and see her every year on my son's birthday. I'd take him to go see her. Yes, it was just me, that nurse, the doctors, and the other nurses. And I delivered him.
For a brief moment, they thought they were going to have to do a cesarean. But things took a turn for the better. And I was able to just push that little three-pound baby out. Oh, my goodness. It was the size of my hand. Oh, my goodness. It's so tiny. Like a puppy. Like a little puppy. Yeah. He came out looking just like his father. Oh. I was like, really? Really, Lord?
After all this shit, this is what I got to deal with. In that moment after you gave birth, how did you feel? Did you feel the love that everybody says? This blissful moment? No. I didn't feel any of that. I told you I was going to come on this podcast and be truthful. No, I was exhausted. And then I was like, oh, you're going to put him on. Yeah. I was 16 years.
Still not realizing I'm legit a mom. Those good feelings didn't really come until after I had, unfortunately, after I had him, I had a seizure due to the preeclampsia. Oh my goodness. So I had to end up in ICU for a little bit.
after I had him. So he was being taken, well taken care of by the nurses while I was, you know, trying to get better. Your poor thing, man. So once I was able to come out of there, move to a normal room, and they brought him in there to me, then it was the, okay, he's all mine. He's all mine. So what happens after this? After you have the baby, do you go back home? I do go back home. Oh, my gosh.
And I've told many stories about, you know, things that happened after that on my social media, mainly on my TikTok. Can we touch on them a little bit just in case the people, this is their first time here. Yeah, because especially since I've brought up Miss Jenny, because I was out and about with my mama that day, you know, yard selling and I go into preterm labor,
And her dropping me off, but don't come back until I had, until, you know, it was time to be discharged. So I didn't have anything. I didn't have no shampoo, no body wash, no brush. I didn't have anything. I called my mama after I'd gotten out of ICU because I was in there a few days. I called my mama and I said, can you bring me some hygiene stuff? You know, I don't have toothbrush and all that. And she told me no.
I said, okay, you know. A couple hours later, after I'd called Miss Jenny...
And I said, Miss Jenny, you going to come see the baby today? And she said, of course I'm coming. Of course I'm coming to see that baby. And I said, well, can you see if Sarah can bring me like a pair of shorts or shorts? I said, I don't have anything here. Now, I didn't say anything. I didn't say I don't have toothbrush. I just said, can you ask Sarah to bring me a few clothes I can sleep in comfortably? And she said, of course I will.
When Miss Jenny shows up at the hospital, walks in the door with this big old basket, and in that basket was body wash and toothbrush and everything I needed to get myself back together. And I said, Miss Jenny, how'd you know I needed all that? She said, honey, your mama dropped you off with nothing. So I came back with everything. Oh, my God.
couldn't she she always came in those moments that i needed her you know it was a real but she was a mom yeah she was the mom that you weren't given she thought she birthed me yeah that's how good she was she was to me but but yeah i i go home i remember um
Being wheeled out of the hospital. And I was holding him so tiny. So tiny. Now, he was so little. You know, he had to stay in there a few weeks. Right. Because he's so little. Then he had to have a surgery. I know it. Because he had pyloric stenosis. Pyloric stenosis is like this muscle between the esophagus and the stomach that makes it where...
the formula comes out projectile. Whenever you're, you have a baby, you'll always hear a pediatrician. Look, you look for these things. If you see this,
You need to bring the baby back in. That's one of that. Because the projectile vomiting could mean pyloric stenosis. Right. And sure enough, I paid attention. And they seen it in the hospital. After I called them in there, I said, hey, this came out like the poltergeist. This ain't right. Right. And they x-rayed him. Sure enough, he had pyloric stenosis. So then he had to have surgery. But the day we were leaving, they were wheeling me out. And I was holding him. And I...
No lie. I looked down and I told, I said, I'm going to do everything I can to keep this baby safe and happy and healthy and so much better than what I had. Because, you know, we had the finances, we had the beautiful home and the nice car and I had nice clothes. I had anything I wanted.
material wise right I just didn't have the only thing I needed which was which was that love you know he picked you though you know your son picked you he knew you needed him oh he saved me and he he probably don't even have any idea because I don't is that the one that I met okay my oldest 24 so 24 years ago I had him but I you know I don't even think those youngins
know just how bad it was for me. Yeah. Because I don't, I don't want, I don't even want the memories or of me telling this in their minds. Right. You know? Well, you've guarded them so much because you know, you just didn't want them to ever hurt like you did ever or have a, you know. So what happens now after you have the baby, you go back home, what happens now? Yeah. I go home, you know? Um, and it was bad. I don't know. Maybe, um,
Two, three days later. And I could have the time frame messed up because I have terrible PTSD from all of this mess. Which is understandable. You've been through some shit. My mother leaves and goes somewhere. I want to say maybe she was shopping. I don't even know. I'm in my room and I'm feeding the baby. I'm feeding Gibson. And she comes through the door out of nowhere. She opens the door and she says, you need to leave.
And I said, huh? You know what? She says, I don't want you here anymore. I don't want you or that bastard here anymore. She would always call my baby a bastard. Like I could physically harm somebody today calling my child that. I don't know what it was. That's her grandson.
About that word and her and referring to my baby as that. But it infuriated me. But I knew I could tell by her eyes. I could tell by her face. She was in a manic episode. So I had learned throughout the years when to...
Don't say nothing. Right. Don't don't fight back. Right. Agree and walk away. Keep the peace. You need to be safe. Yeah. There is a baby right here. Right. We need to be safe. Right. So I just said, OK, just like that. I said, OK. And I went to get some stuff and she said, no, you're not taking any of this because I paid for this.
What just an evil shit of evil is I want to what honey and I put the baby in the car seat and
Which she didn't pay for. I had gotten a baby shower that I was given. I grabbed the baby. I didn't have no clothes. I grabbed what I could fit in his diaper bag. What I could fit in there. And again, there were no cell phones back then. But I went to go use the phone in the kitchen. And she was right behind me. And she snatched it right out of my hand very aggressively. And I said,
Again, I knew that if I did anything, this would escalate. Right. And she could harm this baby. Right. And the only thing I needed to do... You were being a mom. I needed to get out of that house with that baby is what I needed to do. Yeah. So after she snatches the phone, and this was... I don't think I have ever...
been so afraid and so quiet in any of her episodes as I was at this moment on this one and it was because this baby was here um
I grabbed the car seat and I walked out that damn door. Now our nearest neighbor was about a mile and a half because there were wooded areas between us. And I took that carrier and I walked to my neighbor's house where my friend Amanda lived. And I, I mean, I wasn't crying. I was upset. I,
I was afraid because I didn't know if she was going to come behind me in the vehicle and try to run me. I just didn't know. You can't trust her. It was the look on her eye. The look on her face. It was. I've never seen her. I call it shark eyes. They look like sharks whenever they get like that. Her eyes in general were traumatizing enough. Right. And my feelings were right. She was. Stay tuned to next week's episode to see what happens in part two of Dumb Blonde Podcast.