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505. Europe Imploding | Andrew Doyle & Graham Linehan

2024/12/12
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Jordan Peterson: 本期节目讨论了英国和欧洲的文化衰败,以及“觉醒”运动对喜剧的影响。两位嘉宾Andrew Doyle和Graham Linehan分享了他们各自的经历,以及他们对当前社会政治气候的看法。他们认为,“觉醒”运动已经演变成一种极权主义形式,压制言论自由和艺术创作。 Andrew Doyle:他通过创作讽刺角色Titania McGrath成功地讽刺了“觉醒”运动,并因此获得了商业上的成功。他认为,“觉醒”运动操纵语言,使自己能够成为霸凌者,并将任何批评都定义为霸凌。他还指出,如果人们能够接受男性和女性之间的等同性,那么他们就不会抵制任何谎言。他认为,对边缘群体的同情被武器化,导致了对异见的压迫。 Graham Linehan:他因表达对某些议题的合理观点而事业受损,婚姻破裂,在艺术界成为不受欢迎的人,最终被迫离开英国。他认为,“觉醒”运动已经对英国和欧洲的文化造成了严重的破坏,导致艺术创作受到压制,言论自由受到威胁。他分享了他因为支持被网络霸凌的女性而遭到媒体的攻击和职业生涯的破坏的经历,以及他因为自己的观点而被取消了一个百万美元的项目。他认为,在当前的社会环境下,人们很难表达自己的真实想法,因为他们害怕遭到攻击和报复。

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Key Insights

Why did Graham Linehan and Andrew Doyle decide to move to the United States?

They felt they could not have the same level of artistic freedom in the UK due to the oppressive climate of wokeness and censorship, which has stifled creativity and humor. They now plan to work in Arizona with Rob Schneider and others to create comedy that can thrive in a more open environment.

What was Graham Linehan's experience with the woke movement in the UK?

Graham Linehan, a successful sitcom writer, saw his life destroyed after expressing reasonable opinions on gender ideology. His marriage ended, he was ostracized by the artistic community, and he lost numerous job opportunities, including a musical based on his show 'Father Ted.'

How did Andrew Doyle navigate the woke movement in the UK?

Andrew Doyle created the satirical character Titania McGrath to mock the woke left, which turned the movement into a form of commercial success. While he was never as successful as Linehan, he managed to monetize the social justice warriors through satire.

What is the significance of the non-crime hate incident in the UK?

The non-crime hate incident is a system where the police record incidents of perceived offense or hate, even if no crime has been committed. This can lead to individuals being flagged in official records, affecting their future opportunities, without any evidence of wrongdoing.

Why is humor seen as a crucial tool in combating totalitarianism?

Humor, especially comedy, allows people to laugh at uncomfortable truths and establish a consensus around shared experiences. It serves as an escape valve for societal tensions and can reestablish a consensus of truth, making it a powerful tool against authoritarianism.

What challenges do comedians face in the current woke climate?

Comedians face restrictions on what topics they can discuss, with some clubs requiring contracts that ban certain subjects. They also face self-policing within the community and the risk of being labeled as bigots for pushing boundaries, leading to a decline in creative freedom.

How does the woke movement impact artistic creativity?

The woke movement imposes ideological purity on art, often reducing creativity to a vehicle for promoting specific political messages. This has led to a decline in the quality of art, as talentless individuals can gain success by adhering to the correct political views.

What is the significance of the Tower of Babel in the context of modern society?

The Tower of Babel represents the imposition of an all-seeing, controlling authority that leads to the loss of meaning and division among people. In modern society, the interconnected world has enabled the rapid spread of bad ideas and the aggregation of extremists, mirroring the biblical story.

Why is there a concern about the weaponization of empathy?

Empathy, a cardinal moral virtue, has been weaponized by psychopaths, narcissists, and sadists to manipulate and dominate others. They use language to portray themselves as victims, making it difficult for empathetic people to recognize their true nature and stand up against them.

What role does social media play in the current cultural climate?

Social media amplifies impulsive behavior and allows for the rapid spread of ideas, both good and bad. It has enabled the aggregation of extremists and the weaponization of reputation-savaging, making it a powerful tool for both the spread of authoritarianism and the potential for creative expression.

Shownotes Transcript

Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with playwright Andrew Doyle and comedy writer Graham Linehan. They discuss their near-cancellations, the woke epidemic which has made comedy a criminal offense in the United Kingdom, the broader decay of the cultural landscape across Europe, why progressive ideals ruin honest works of creativity, and the totalitarian hellscape awaiting the Brits should they not change course.  

 

This episode was filmed on November 27th, 2024

 

 

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For Andrew Doyle:

 

On X https://x.com/andrewdoyle_com?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

 

On Youtube https://www.youtube.com/@andrewdoyle983

 

On Substack https://www.andrewdoyle.org/

 

 

For Graham Linehan:

 

On X https://x.com/Glinner?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

 

On Youtube https://www.youtube.com/@GrahamLinehan/videos

 

On Substack https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/