BONUS: Nobody believed me: pushed out co-worker on Amanda the painful Principal
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As commander listeners, it's charly back with you again for our last bonus episode to finish up gonna, take a bit of a look into AMandas time as principle a pacific point elementary and to help us get a Better understanding.

We have one of the teachers, he was actually working there at the time, who knew AManda? Now i'm not actually going to identify or say this person's name and because he wants to remain anonymous, but i'd like to welcome and now thank you so much for joining us and for sharing your story with us. You know, the first thing I want to ask you, if it's OK, why do not want your name mentioned? A especially given the fact that we now know that AManda is in prison.

It's because of the administration that still there at that point, they are still kind of a protection around that still continues to this day. Even with the podcast, I don't want there to be any retaliation or anything like that. I wanted to share my story because I want the truth to come too late about my time when I was there and what happened in the unfolded. However, I just wanted to remain anonymous so that there just wasn't any anything that could come back on the aster's.

You know, it's interesting because this has been the case with a few people when we are making the podcast. But also since a lot of people are going contact, but that was a concern quite, quite a lot of people. I just wonder, why do you think he there is this protection still despite the conviction, the sentence and the story we told?

Now it's very strange to me. I think even when AManda was sentence, there were still people that we're protecting her that were coming out in saying there's two sides to every story when all the allegations were brought up against her, there were people immediately that believed IT. But yet the administration was still backing her up, saying that we need to have a me and us back and that we need to keep open mind things like that. And I don't quite understand IT because there's so much evidence now there's been so many things, especially through the podcasts are showed that this was going on before her timid pack point as well as during her timid pack point and continuing when he left pack point. And it's sad to me that the manipulation ran so deep and people still choose not to believe that at what he was doing was wrong.

So you were at packed point as a teacher and you were, I mean, being part of a community for quite a while, but you were there a year before and became principle. What was the school like? Maybe you could pay a picture for us before AManda. A became principle?

yes. So I was appearing there first, and so I had known the school for a really long time. I actually did some of my student teaching there, where I got to go to observe in a classroom.

So i've been a part of that community for a very long time. And this holy, loving, tiy school that is just you walk on and instantly feel like your child, if you have a child, there is love and taking care of. You've felt like the administration was going to have your best interest at heart. You just walked on and you felt like I was different, unlike any school you had ever been at, IT was great. IT was the best job I had ever had prior to a as arrival.

So then, I mean, that sounds like an amazing school. So when AManda arrives, what did you know about her? And do you know how he got the job because he went for the job as a teacher, right?

Yes, at the end of the school year, my second you're teaching at the end of that year, they introduced AManda to the staff that he walked in to the interview. He was from a very prestigious school, another Christian school that was in san hose. SHE was walking in to get a job as a middle school teacher.

And they found out that he worked at this prestigious school. And they offered her the position of the elementary principle, they said, because of her experience at that school. And IT made her perfect at IT. And they told us all, they said, you know, SHE meet the interview and SHE walked out. We were high fives and said that our new elementary principle, they're telling our entire set this.

And I thought, well, that so where because when I got the job, they even though it's a tiny school, I mean, it'll linked the process to get a job as a teacher there and they're telling the staff it's like, oh, you know, administrations I have diving as the man that comes in the nails for interview, where SHE came in as a teacher and got in an elementary principle job. So we were kinds ball, a little bit shock, to say the least. But he seemed really sweet at first.

Super bubble. SHE was a Young girl. He was a Young mom. I remember the very first time we went over and talk to warm and is a group of teachers.

And I am, we had asked, like all of what grades have you and SHE started seeing all these grades? They were a bunch of grades and lower elementary, upper elementary, and as well as a middle school. And then, shall to say, he had masters first.

I got excited. I am, wow. I mean, so much, she's gonna be so knowledgeable about, you know, what IT feels like to be a teacher in a classroom, as well as bringing that knowledge into administration.

And then I walked away and I thought, I start doing the math and I start thinking, all right, she's only, you know, thirty years old, how in the world could SHE teach all of those grades as well as to get her masters? And like none of if this really makes sense. So that was kind of the first saying that didn't make sense to me. And IT was the very first .

time I had about her. And did you have cancer at the time? Or did you know anything about her cancer when you first met her?

So we did not. There were a couple people who knew her from her church that said that he had health issues. And I had had some health issues as well. Well, oh, this actually might be something that SHE and I can connect on.

I was there all summer because I was moving classrooms, and so he was they are setting up her office in decorating and SHE was painting her was before, and I was paying my classroom. So I kind of a got to know her a little bit during the summer. And there was just something from my initial reaction with her, and i'm not something I always look at.

People like I see the best in them. I not somebody that like a skeptical person that you immediately looks at someone with like an I rays. But there was just something about every time I interacted with her, I didn't feel right and I couldn't put my finger on IT.

Even to this day I could not explain. There wasn't something that he did exactly that I could say, oh, this is why I felt uncomfortable around her. IT was just every time I was around her, there was just this feeling, like something wasn't right, like I needed to give myself space with her, and I didn't feel that way with anybody of the school.

And the only time I ever got worse, ed, was when I was inner duced to her husband Carry. He came to the school, I think, to pick up the oldest sun. That day.

He was at the school for a little bit with AManda. And immediately when I met him, I had this overwhelming feeling. I needed to get away, like IT was just this feeling that something was off, something was wrong, and I got very uncomfortable.

IT was like the hair on the back of your next stand up again. I D never met this person before. I didn't even know who he was.

And I literally introduced myself, and I walked at the office as they could because they felt so uncomfortable. I was like, any get out here? And after that point, I always distance myself from him because I just didn't feel comfortable being around him.

Yeah, I mean that sometimes you get those feelings about people don't know, you can't quite put your finger on IT, but you just have this intuitional six sense. You know we've spoken to few people that were involved in the school during this series. And from all reports, AManda was wonderful with the kids, you know, made them feel loved.

Did these like hug high five things when they first walked in? But what would you like as a principal? And how did you treat the teachers know she's now principal of the school. SHE set us self in what was the environment? Like how do things change?

IT was weird because right off the bat, SHE kid him in very strong. IT was always this this sense, like he was putting you down, like you weren't doing things the right way or you weren't doing things good enough. But IT was very hard because pretty much right, often bad, and the end of wasn't there very often.

So we started school in August and he would come into workday. SHE would leave early. SHE would be gone during the day. So we didn't really get to know her because he was in at school.

So people start asking questions all the time about where's AManda? Where is AManda? You know, if you had issues in your classroom where you needed help, SHE wasn't there.

Her door was always closed. We would get emails basically where micro managed from whether he was, we would just get emails. But then again, SHE wouldn't be there for us to address that, you know, in person.

And so when people started asking questions, we got called into a staff meeting. SHE basically told us that he did have cancer, that SHE was seeking medication. The medication basically would paralyze her body, and so SHE wasn't able to move in the morning. So that's why he was in able to be at school until about, you know, any time between ten, ten, thirty, eleven and o'clock during the day because he is physically paralyzed in the morning. So I mean.

everybody felt horrible. I was gonna. How was IT received?

Yeah I mean, we also also I mean, it's like a very loving school. Everybody felt terrible. I mean, immediately our hearts went out to her.

And so IT just continued to get worse with how many absence he had at school. He wasn't very, very often. And and we would get these emails and the tones of the emails were usually very like harsh.

We were being Michael managed. And so IT was hard because we didn't get to stability. These relationships with her to begin with.

And then she's not there and she's, you know kind of be little in people IT was very just very harsh. The tone of IT you need to do this. You need to do that.

People aren't doing this correctly. You're not doing that correctly. So is just very like nothing ever felt like IT came.

From like a loving place at all. IT was just very much you're not doing this. You're not doing that. IT was just always this harsh kind of tone that you felt like you weren't doing a good job as a teacher.

IT sounds like IT created a shift in an environment from what you described to as of what the scores was like. And then were there any suspicions around her that started to creep in? Or was IT just about the the toxicity?

No, there are definitely worse. So I remember one day pretty early into the school year, I had gone into the office after school, and I was asking question in the film ring, and, you know, one of the secretary had answered and said, no comment. And I put the phone down pretty harshly.

And then I see a man a, coming around the corner, and they go, a man are calling again. And I looked over at a medallic right in her face and I said, we, who called? They don't. Well, that must have been really bad for you to, like, slam in the phone down.

Any man goes, oh, it's curies x life SHE so jealous of me he thinks i'm faking cancer and so she's trying to get people to, like, look into me and SHE just start going to how cores x life was horrible and just all of these things and he was starting to get emotional about IT, and he was crying. And my first initial reaction was, oh my god, I feel so bad for her. And then as I walked out of the office, I started thinking, why would someone call a school? And that was like another thing that just didn't sit right with me. We can never get uh street answer about her cancer like some people were told SHE had blood cancer, stole some people to Chrism remission. Some people you know were told that he was still on medication like nobody y's stories matched up the environment like you said, of the school completely shifted in such a short amount of time where IT just didn't feel like this happy, loving place that IT was prior to limit .

the arrival. And did anybody or yourself report that behavior? Is this went on?

yes. So some teacher started coming to me and voices their opinion about a Manda. People were still loving towards her because everybody is thought he was IT.

Most teachers weren't bringing up that her cancer wasn't real. They were saying things of we're being turned down. We're not feeling like we're good enough. Teachers, teachers that had been there for I mean fifteen years, the same things and teachings are really hard professional and you put a lot into IT. And so when somebody is is constantly making you feel like you're not doing your job the right way or that you're not doing IT good enough IT just tears you down yeah .

you start to question IT yourself if you can help but take internalize that when people say that you repeatedly yes.

I gave IT sometime. There was another person on the ministration team that I had approach to tell her my concerns, to tell her how many teachers were going forward, that how toxic the environment was getting at the school. I even had parents coming up to me for my classing.

What's the differences here? Like I don't understand why the teachers just look like there, you know, sad. You're down and it's just a different field.

So I decided to talk to her. He suggested that we go and speak to a schoolboy member. So he went with me to speak with the school board member.

And this was in october of, and this first year, we met with a schoolboy member and we had meet at night. I know we have a sneaker around, so that administration didn't know. When we met with this full board member, there were other administration issues taking place. And so the conversation kind of went as Wanda. Yes, we understand there's concern, but there is someone above her that basically needed to be out first before we could address the AManda issue.

During that conversation, he proceeded to tell both of us that he had an anonymous note put on his car a couple days prior to our meeting that said that AManda was speaking cancer and that he needed to look into her past before he continues to hour being the principle at our school. What did you think of that? I was shocked.

IT was like, this is what i've been saying, like there are so many things aren't adding up and then you have some anonymous person. And like, IT took somebody a lot of courage to go and put an anonymous note on your car. You need to look into IT.

So I question him and said, what what did you do with that? He said, well, I gave IT back to the administration to look into and check your pass, which I was like, no, really there. The one supporting her, they're backing her.

You guys need to that's all were coming to you and not going to them as they have her bag. What started was that they spoke with ama is what they told the stuff we spoke with ama, we told he needed to be, that the environment at the school needs to change. So we gave you a few more months and things continued to be the same as they were before.

Did anything change? Did he say anything to any of the teachers? Surely he knew he must have known somebody complained about her exactly.

I mean, IT IT changed that. He was more watchful of us. SHE became more harsh with us.

The administration was definitely watching us more. IT just continue to become this downward spiral at the school. And there were teachers continue to come to us.

We decided to go me with more board members because we gave you a few months. We went to the board. IT was very emotional. There were teachers. There was a teacher crying, everybody IT was the same thing of at this point.

We all kindly suspected that maybe a man, this cancer wasn't real, maybe her sickness wasn't, but she's definitely pushing IT solution and have to be there. The treatment of us is poor if we just went into all of that and later all out for hours to them, after that meeting, they said they were going to meet with AManda and why the snow SHE would be back. All the teachers are in nervous because they don't know if she's coming back or not.

And we are basically, I saw out the board member that we went to see last, and he said, you know, all of the board members voted no for AManda to come back. But I I think that he deserves another shot to come back. And my mountains drops. I think I started crying because I felt like i'd let the teacher sound, because they interested me and IT all kind of felt like I was for nothing. And then now we all had giant targets on our backs.

Yeah, can imagine I must have fl felt really daunting because you knew that you didn't have that protection, but why did you give him a second chance back? No matter what she's done? But even if you judge done anything, the fact that the majority of the teachers said, no, they are.

Normally that decision would be. Then for the harmony of the school, we have to change principle. Why exactly .

on IT was because one of the administrators that was still there was fighting to keeper. My suspicion is, is that right after we fillings out, we were called into our last staff meeting before the end of the school year. I mean, to walked in very kind of angry and upset, so everybody you know is quiet or nervous about what's gona happen, and then SHE SAT down and basically told us my cancer is back.

I'm gonna gone all summer long. I'm going to be in treatment. I don't know what's going to happen to me, just basically related IT out to the staff that you know, her cancer had returned.

So course, then people feel horrible that they had gone to schoolbag members and now he has her cancer. So we just all up for this summer, just completely defeated because regardless of if he had cancer or not, the way that we were all being treated by her was so poorly. IT was an awful way to end the school year. Everybody was a very nerve to come back the following year, but we didn't even know if AManda would come back because her cancer had returned. So we didn't really know what to expect at the beginning of the next square.

So IT sounds like he was given a second chance because cancer would come back. I actually have a few of the knows from those pages that the teachers gave. I just want to read very quickly a few them out with some of the points, know one of them with our new principal is absent all the time.

Our new principal speaks as very different, spectacular SHE has a my way or the highway attitude, SHE said. And in an exact direct co, I can't give my stuff a choice. They just need to be told what to do.

Lunches and snack brakes have been taken away, and teachers were exhausted without having brakes. No time to be charged. Lying, lots of little lies you mentioned. Gossiping man is constantly heard gossiping about staff members, parents, even students, double standards about absences leaving school AMandas often not present as you spoke about, but also SHE wouldn't let people have any time off, right? IT says here, unless he was given, they were given fourteen days in advance notice and IT just Carry Carries on and on about some of those details. And then what happened when he came back for this second year?

So we started our teacher training in honest again of that year. We didn't know for anda was gonna there. But the funny thing is he tells us that she's going through treatment.

But we can all see those of us, our friends, with an instagram that there's pictures of looks like she's having this wonderful summer and she's going on vacations and all of these things, not somebody who just said they reloaded in hunt cancer again. SHE comes back at the start of the school year world thinking this is gonna addressed and it's never spoken about. There's not a word add about her cancer, just kind of confused as to whats going on. But administration will never address what's going on.

And when we did this series, we talked about someone call Cindy, were you there when Cindy, who sudden passed away, was raising money for her cancer?

So that was that school year.

So IT was the second school year as a principle.

So in the fall, um missenden SHE was at the school forever so loved. I mean, the school was her family SHE didn't have her own children. I mean SHE treated the kids like they were her own dren.

I think that's probably the hardest part about the entire thing with AManda is not only was IT how he treated all of us, but what happened with miss andy SHE was diagnosed that fall. IT was awful. AManda immediately said that he would take the rings because he knew what miss Cindy was going through. We donated money. AManda course was in at school when we tried to give her the money. So I had asked the man, a, how do we get to the money? He said, I just put in an envelope under my door, so I remember putting cash and and low putting underneath the man is door hoping that IT was going to get to misandry and then SHE said he was going to put a basket together because knew exactly what you would need for chemo and everything and so we didn't really get to see my Cindy very much at all because you can't be at a school with a bunch of children that have multiple viruses and things like.

yeah you mean systems really low? exactly.

And so ms. Indi wasn't there very often. SHE did come. We all had a Christmas party at AMandas house, and my Cindy showed up the whole entire time.

Uga felt like AManda was trying to be this center of attention over missy, and that kept rubbing me the wrong way, because this was our time to love on her and show her how much we love her and support her, and had been praying for her. And IT was just about a Manda. Did miss .

Cindy get the money?

So we did donations. We don't know for sure what money he did get. The school ended up doing a fifty fifty, but because a Manda had children and a husband where miss indy didn't SHE was allocated more money than miss indy.

You think IT busy way around because he didn't have the support.

exactly.

And then how do things progress from there? Because I I know that you're no longer at that school. So then how did things progressed there? Did AManda leave before you did? And how did that happen?

yeah. So I left first. I left a year before a mandela. That year, I just got really toxic because of everything that had happened with the board and man, and knew that we went forward. He was gently watching us coins when he was there.

I remember one time walking out of my classroom to pick up my students from lunch, and AManda standing at the top of the stairs. And at first time I was, I was surprised to see AManda, because then you didn't see AManda very often at school, let alone on the playground. I go back to my cluster, my children had a special house, went to P. E.

And I got to my email and had an email from a man that basically said that the head, your duty teacher roan email that they agreed said that I pick up my students, fly all the time and that she's been complaining to her multiple times and that I need to be there and i'm going to be right up if i'm not out there and kind of went into this whole lengthy email. At first thing is my heart broke, not thinking that this was something that wasn't truthful. I went straight to your duty teacher, and I told her, I said, I am so sorry if i've ever been late to pick up my students.

I would never wanted to take the advantage of your time and she's looking at me with like, this blank stare on her face. Like what are you talking about? So I told her the story of, I just said, I just got an email.

No man told me that you've been coming to a multiple times and he was like, i've never complained about you. You always pick up your students on time. He was sitting there like, you're being crazy right now like this.

I ve never done this. I said, i'm gonna confront AManda and so I went to her and I told her after school, me and i'd like to discuss the email with you. So he told me sh'd be down in my classroom SHE SAT down.

SHE was very cold when he walked in. I told her that I spoke with a your duty teacher and that he was very ultimate, that this never happened. A man had told me shit that the your duty teacher was lying.

I had nothing to do with her. And you know, SHE kept going on on a that AManda, I know that SHE didn't do IT. I don't understand why that gives the first time I really like called her out and said, I don't understand why you are doing this.

Like why would you try to make me look that if it's not true? And then SHE completely flex IT around and says, well, I hear you're leaving and not coming back next year. I heard you're outside at the school and you don't want to be here any I said, I mean, I ve never said that.

I said, I told the couple teachers that I might not come back next year because of health issues. I said, but if I leave at the school, it's gonna the hardest thing I ever do, because I love this school, but I have to put my own family first. I can't be here if my health keeps continuing to deteriorate and then he puts her hand on my knee and SHE, it's getting closer to me and saying, you know exactly how you are feeling.

I try to ask you and all the time, you know and tell her that I should leave. But he tells me know that I can do this. And so I feel like I have to stay, but I totally understand what you're going to real. I have never been so outraged like when he was touching me.

I just was like your line, you're lying to me right now and now you're using what i'm going through to try to make IT seem like what you're going through and you first got caught in something and you flipped around and now you're trying to ask lague, oh no, I know what you're going through. Be here to, you know, have your back in and you know let's have a cubic moment like, no, this is not what happened. So then he ended up getting up and saying that, great, love fruit sty, but if you have to go, I totally understand, like, I knew that he wanted me out of the school.

I knew that he didn't want me to be there anymore because I was continually bringing up the staff. But yet, so I just got to this point that the toxicity on the campus, I couldn't, I couldn't take IT anymore. I couldn't see my friends that I loved the upset.

I couldn't see the the lives on a daily basis because they just ate me up and they knew that there was nothing I could do because we went through every avenue we had. I just felt like everybody had to be silent. And IT was really, really tough because administration made a very, very difficult to work there.

If you were not fall in mind with A A and how administration was doing IT IT was like, there's the door and I was like, you take a man as sickness out of IT. The way that everybody was being treated on that campus was just awful, was horrendous. I mean, like you had said, the fourteen days getting to be asked to get any time off.

I mean, we had a teacher whose daughter IT was having headaches and went in and he was told he needed to have an emergency. mr. I and the teacher went to AManda in front of all of us and said, I need to take tomorrow off.

I need to be with my daughter. And man said, is not for days. You didn't give me fourteen days notice and we just had their light.

When did we start working for school? They didn't prioritize family and people above being there. IT was just heart renting. IT was so heart running and IT is you felt like you were crazy.

And then on top of all of that too, with the the conversation with AManda had told me that I would have her son in my class, that he wanted me to be her son's teacher. And I don t was like the final straw for me. I was like, there's no way that I can be his teacher.

I can't have him coming into class every day late between ten and thirty, starbuck in his hand, saying that my mom, you know, one of my friends, was this teacher and first spread, and he was walking with starbucks. He walk in late, he was falling behind in school, and he can do anything because I say, i'm sorry, I can't be at school. I knew having him and the fact that he was being kind of gloom to tell lies with his mom IT would be really, really difficult for me as a teacher, because I, my heart is a teacher, is wanting to always lift up my students, help them, protect them. And when I know this is going on and I can't do anything about IT, I I knew I would be too much to continue. So I decided not to come back for the following square.

More impacted that happen.

You IT was a huge impact. There were actually about seventy eight teachers that left. We were all deemed troublemakers.

They retained parents. That which was crushing to my spirit, because I love this school. I pred so much into the kids and families, and I love them like they were my own.

And then to literally be told that i'm this trouble maker teacher, and that I needed to leave in all of this when i'm protecting you by not going out in saying all these things about administration, I just put in on my health and said I needed to go. I went through such a depression that first year, and I didn't even talk about IT to people. I felt like I had let down my friends, the people I love, that I can do anything to protect them.

I felt like this career that I had, that I wanted since I was in kindergarten, was taken from me. I still, to this day, don't think I could ever go back into teaching ever again, because just being in a school environment, the trauma and what happened, being torn down and in the where was made to feel was so hard IT was really, really tough. It's still is tough, but I honestly feel like the podcast hearing all of the other people that were victims too and that he made to feel horribly.

And I know there's people that were treated. We were me and when I think, of course, daughter and everything and just its heart renting to me. But yeah, i'm so grateful for this podcast because, honestly, lag, I feel like the first time I can move forward, and a long time where i've been kind of stuck for many years since I left.

I'm just sorry that, you know, I supose to sit here and ask the questions, but i'm gonna comment and you left the job, and I think it's very hard to be in that kind of environment. Never mind whether someone y's lying or not, but the fact that this is a career that you dropped off since you a child really hard it's easy to at and you you've not been able to continue your career because of what she's .

done yeah it's really .

am sorry for that.

Thank you. I just you saying that when IT shook up like it's like validating lake. When I left, I was made to feel like I did something so wrong and that i'd been doing something wrong for those years that I was there.

But I knew IT with such conviction that what I was doing was right. But the way that I was treated by that administration that still wear to this day and how they made me feel like I was a horrible person, IT was tough. It's it's super, super tough. And I it's like every school year, when the school year begins, it's like my heart just drops. It's like i'm getting my kids ready for school and it's like I of my ser, I want to be loving on these kids and these scarce, I have to learn how to work through them if I member red in a figure out a way to get back in the classroom.

But again, I don't want to speak out them on a side name. I've got quite a of experience in trauma and I think it's something you should definitely grow through and teach because well, from you, we've met you. And yes, I think education deserves to just like you.

So maybe, hopefully this is something that you can you know now that, you know, what's happened is something that you can maybe think about trying again. What do you think about AManda? Now on the fact that SHE has been sentenced for this? That's.

if anything, is that even through all of IT, when I looked at AManda, all I wanted IT was for heard to get help. I know that I didn't end with pack poin.

So I did SHE leave poke point as principle.

Did he get pushed? yeah. So they said that he resigned due to health issues. Probably more like they said that he needed to leave is my guess.

But what they told all the parents and everything was in the staff was that he resigned due to health issues. And that still painting that story. There's two sides to every story.

You can't believe what you read. You need to remember who AManda is, like all of these things. And so IT was really, really tough when all of that came out because he was, he was still heavily being backed by school.

IT makes me sad because my sister got diagnosed with cancer right at the beginning of the pandemic in february, and he was away six months later, and he had lung cancer stage for IT IT metastasised through her whole entire body. When they had found out like SHE add twenty plus tumors in her brain, IT was all through her body, her bones, muscles everywhere. By the time that they had found IT.

And SHE had just when, in one day, feeling like he was having hard computations, and they found everything. By August, he had passed away. And so I saw, ffs, hand what cancer does to somebody.

And when I hear that AManda was like saying that he had lung cancer and IT was staged for, like I saw that first hand, I saw what somebody just crying and screaming and pain because the cancers all over their body and they can't do anything about IT. You know, I my sister, like got down to lake, seventy something pounds and pasta. He was horrendous.

And even through all of that, I was like the administration, like still wouldn't reach out, wouldn't say anything like it's just hard because it's like I feel like the administration has put such a target to me. Me, my family and all those other teachers look so bad that it's flag when IT comes down to real life like you're willing to back somebody that faked cancer. But then people that are really going through cancer, like miss Cindy and there are other teachers that had other health issues that that can guys didn't do anything, you know, you guys didn't have their box.

I feel like this, Cindy, the entire time the school barely was there. So to support her because again, IT isn't more about a mind because AManda love the showing love to be in the limelight. And miss Cindy was the type of person that was like, I will give you the shirt off my back.

I'm the person that will do anything for anybody. And SHE got this back road help where AManda was, you know, frightened center through the whole entire thing with hers. And I just it's so heartbreaking to me because it's like there are some of the best people i've ever met my life that work at that school.

I've grown so much from those people and how self less they are. What the administration did was not OK to those teachers, into the parent even. And but the way that those teachers are treated is so wrong. And IT still continues in this protection mode of of AManda. And not okay, is not okay.

I'm sorry fiercely about your sister. Thank you. That's really upsetting, and I can imagine extremely painful for you and your family. And I would reach even more that you share in IT because of your own experience. Yeah, but yeah, just I want to say thank you so much for sharing others and I hope in some way IT gives you a little bit of closure with everything that .

you've been through. finites. No, thank you. I appreciate. That's when my hope in part through all of this is just getting to speak about IT. And to you guys who actually believe me is so they are pudica and I think also helps me to move on. I feel like i've been taking breath that I haven't taken in years.

And I feel like for the first time, I like actually hopeful for the future where I kinds not like I i've been stuck for really, really long time and you'd never wanted fix this, like I want to beat the joyful mom to my kids and stuff. And so i've like put on a good face. But i've feel like i've been really, really stuck's sleeving. And I felt like I lost a lot of people in my life that I loved and being on here and just getting to share and in a way that I feel like it's being received in love and means of lots my heart. And I think you were that.

Thank you. And I just want to assure you that you're not the only one. There's a lot of people and you community.

And so what your feeling don't feel IT in isolation because there's a big community that all with you and i've been treated the same. And you know i'm sure we'll support you moving forward. So hopefully know this is like a set, a bit of of healing to move forward now definitely. Thank you.

Thank you guys very much.

Thanks to, I guess, today. And you really hope you enjoyed our last bonus episode and getting you know a real a real deeper understanding into he, AManda ism and how this was all done. And thank you for listening and for making this show what IT is.

We really do appreciate IT, and we hope you stay tuned for more from lies gates out. Thank you again. During the production of this podcast, we reached out several times to the superintendent at pacific point Christian schools for comment. We are yet to get a .

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