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Have you ever spotted McDonald's hot, crispy fries right as they're being scooped into the carton? And time just stands still.

Walt Disney, arguably the most influential person in modern media and certainly the most accomplished and successful animator of all time, died shrouded in secrecy on the 15th of December in 1966. This came as a shock to the world and many questions spurred on by rumours began to circulate.

One still persists to this very day, the one we're exploring today in this episode. Did Walt Disney secretly orchestrate a procedure in which he would be frozen upon death, suspended in cryogenic ice, to be resurrected in the world of tomorrow? This is the Red Thread, coming at you with a pretty goofy story today. It's a unique one, let's say. Very, very...

Goofy, I guess is the best way to put it. What do you think, Isaiah, broadly speaking, about this one? I mean, I've seen it. I don't know if you're from America, but actually when you're born in the United States, we have like a sort of like quinceañera when you turn 15 years old, you go to Walter's grave and they show you his head in there. It talks to you some too, if you're lucky.

That was always the one I heard. So everyone's heard this one through just, you know, it's in Family Guy. It's referenced all over the place. It's everywhere. That's the one I've always heard, though, was that it was his head that was frozen in ice all those years ago. Yeah, I've heard head. I've heard his whole body. I've heard it both ways sometimes. But yeah, generally him being frozen somewhere is a recurring theme, I would say.

Yeah. Did you believe it when you were told? Because it's always told as fact. Like, people always talk about it as if it's a confirmed fact. I don't know if...

Okay, so I think I believed it. I used to hear he was cryogenically frozen, which is a thing some people do, right? Yeah, that's what we're going to explore in this episode, but it's a genuine thing. I was under the assumption that this was all made up science, essentially, like science fiction, but no. No, you can get frozen. They actually exist. Yeah, they do exist. They freeze you. So I think I believe that part. I'm like, okay, when he died, he was frozen. Sure. But then...

I remember the detail of like, and it's hidden underneath Disney. And I'm like, okay, well, that's not true. Why would they keep them there? That's always been my question as well. Like, why would they lie about this if it's so common now? Well, not common, but it happens. Like that important and sacred, I guess. Why...

put it in the place people would look for it like what because it's sentimental yeah that's like i keep my bags of money in the bags of money box at my house like why maybe it's like the matrix maybe they're using him as like a human battery to uh that's that's how the animatronics work they're like hooked up to his spine yeah

It's very efficient. That's how they cut down their power build. They're using the soul of Walt Disney. There's so many of them out there. Statistically, one of them has to listen to the show. If you've ever worked as a Disney mascot, let us know if you had like an implant into your brain stem that ran through the suit that was full of Walt Disney spinal juice.

There has to be someone at Walt Disney that's not on the executive team, a janitor or something that has to clean the cryogenic room every now and then. Who's seen Walt Disney's Frozen Body? Has to be. Yeah. He's seen them. We'll get them on the show. I actually know someone who works at Disneyland. I'm surprised you don't, because I thought they're one of the largest...

employees in the United States. They are, but they're located in Florida and California. So if you're in one of Florida, especially because like where Disney World is, I think it's World that's in Florida. I'm pretty sure. And like Universal Studios and all that, like Orlando is built around it nearly. Yeah, it's like theme park city. That entire city is like crazy with theme parks. Yeah, there's all kinds of stuff. So I think that if you're in those locations,

uh it's more prevalent but where i'm in like amitancy louisiana and stuff there's not a ton of it around um but i've certainly seen a ton of people online be like i worked at disney for x i mean they have to employ tens of thousands of people at just the parks

Yes, it's crazy. I've been to Disney World. I haven't been to Disneyland, but I've been to Disney World. The amount of infrastructure, it is like its own city. They've got four parks at Disney World, four different parks. So many different employees. They've got their own fire department, I believe, and emergency services. They have their own systems of communication. Everything they do at the park is their thing. So they have their own...

So like the way the wires work, the way the tunnels work, you know about the tunnels, right? I'm sure. Yes. The underground tunnels, which we'll be talking about. Yeah. Yeah. Like they have like the park is just as big underground. Like it's a super highway of like communication and stuff. It's crazy. It's insane.

Yeah, absolutely. And they've also, as we now know, they've got their own cryonics department and team down there as well, slaving away over Walt's frozen body, waiting for the day where they can resurrect him finally. Let's get all of our biases out there, Isaiah. Are you a Disney fan? A Disney adult? No, I am not. I appreciate...

Disney in a nostalgic sense, because obviously I grew up in a lot of the Disney Pixar films and the old animated movies and stuff like that. I appreciate all those. And I really appreciate the idea of one department

becoming so many things, like stretching into animation and film and amusement parks and like so many different structures. It's undeniably impressive what they've been able to do. Yeah, yeah. And there's also like, there's an Americana sense to Walt himself a lot of the time about like...

regardless of how true it is. Yeah, the American dream, like making something that big out of nothing. And like, it seems that throughout his entire life, he had a very creative mind. He never fully sold over to like the corporate suit aspect of it, which I appreciate. So there's some elements of it I like, but in the modern age, I can't think of a lot of them. I think Walt is probably one of the most impressive creatives that has ever lived, which I find very,

uh, obviously inspiring and interesting. He obviously, as you said, was more creatively minded, but I do think that he had a good sense for, uh, how to, how, how to best use that and how to best adapt that in a, in the American kind of world. And that takes a different, like a business sense to it. Obviously he had a brother, Roy, who was very instrumental in that as well. But I think, yeah, it's undeniably impressive what Disney was able to accomplish. And a lot of that obviously is owed to Walt Disney. Um,

I personally, like you, I think of Disney more nostalgically. I hate them in the modern era. I think that's a pretty common feeling, how they've changed in the modern era. You know, post-2000, they've become a very oppressive and anti-creative industry, I think. Yeah.

While it's still impressive, like, again, I went to Disney World and I went to DisneySea in Japan, and it's very impressive what they're able to do on the parks front. I still think they're a very evil company in today's day and age. I don't know if you agree or disagree. It's inevitable to happen when any company is that successful that becomes the standard. Like, it will inevitably develop all the problems of being the standard.

But even beyond that, they seem kind of creatively bankrupt in my opinion. But that's just me. I certainly respect it for what it was. As a kid, I went to Disney World and yes, it was magical seeing the giant castle and the rides. And just how well, especially at Disney World, everything is tailored to immerse you into the setting you're in. It really is impressive. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, I went as an adult. I didn't even go as a kid. If I went as a kid, it would have blown my little Australian mind. Yeah, when you're like nine years old and walking through all that, it's like, whoa! Yeah, it would have been absolutely incredible. But going there as an adult, I was able to still kind of objectively appreciate, I guess, what the... What do they call them? The Imagineers? I'm pretty sure they're called Imagineers, right? The Imagineers were able to accomplish using design standards. They...

innovated basically upon the entire idea of a theme park and it was it was incredible yeah absolutely i can see why those theme parks are as successful as they are um but like you i don't think i've enjoyed disney past like maybe 2005 ish like everything past that point is just kind of being soulless i guess in terms of what they create i think all right

WALL-E is my favorite Disney movie. What about you? WALL-E's up there. If we're talking like the Pixar films, The Incredibles might be my favorite. Incredibles is good, yeah. Incredibles or... I like Finding Nemo a lot. But I'm trying to think because when you say Disney animated films, that includes all the hand-drawn stuff. So you've got Lion King. It goes far back. 1940s. Yeah, it goes way, way back. I'm trying to think if there was one...

Above all else. For now, I'll say The Incredibles, unless something else comes to mind. Incredibles, yeah. I remember appreciating The Incredibles because when I was a kid, I was like, oh, this is like a movie made for me, but it's not talking down to me. Characters are dying. There's a real sense of weight to everything that's being said and stuff like that. It still works really well as an adult. It's like a...

a superhero movie but it's like superheroes are out so it's like an espionage and like coming back to you know the glory days so it's a great film very good film yeah the best the best children's movies are the ones where the you know parents and the adults can watch it as well and still get something out of it obviously uh and that's why i like wally so much it tells a very you know mature so actually my favorite i take it back ratatouille might be i love ratatouille so much so much as a kid so good what about it did you like

Oh, the whole movie, but I remember, like, just how it was such... It was about a kitchen in France, but it was so...

well done and put together that you felt like suspense. You felt turns. I remember as a kid loving that whole monologue by ego or Egon at the end. Um, and how it felt. So like, again, it felt adult. Like I was a kid, but it was talking about like, as a critic, you know, I will never be more than the work I entail, even the worst, whatever, um,

Not everyone is a great chef, but a great chef can come from anyone, stuff like that. Yes. It's definitely an interesting concept that feels like an obvious passion project from someone who had a story to tell because who's going to go into a boardroom meeting where their goal is to come up with a children's movie and say, it needs to be about a rat who

who works at a French restaurant. And, you know, it's such a unique concept. Oh, are the other people rats? No. It's one rat in a restaurant. And he's controlling a ginger man. Yeah. So first, I think the most important thing to do before we dive in deep about the conspiracies of the freezing, as I'm going to call it,

We need to talk about Walt Disney a little bit, just so you understand him. So Walt was born on 5th of December, 1901 in Chicago. His family consisted of his parents, Elias and Flora Disney, as well as four older brothers and his young sister, Ruth. Pretty standard life from what I was able to read through growing up.

He had a strong penchant for drawing, as you can imagine. He enjoyed drawing and creating a lot. There's a story about a neighborhood doctor asking Walt to draw his retired horse. And this was when Walt first discovered his love of drawing. And that continued throughout the years as he went to things like art school, obviously. And then...

He joined the army in 1918, but was rejected due to his age. He was only around 17 at the time. And he ended up forging his date of birth certificate and successfully getting through and working for the Red Cross as an ambulance driver. He continued to draw and would put his cartoons around the ambulance as a decoration. And he would also publish work in the military newspaper Stars and Stripes, which that's probably...

indicative of his strong love of country. And I think, like you said, Disney overall has this very American feel to it. I guess you could say like a lot of their parks. I remember going through their parks over in like Disney world. And there's an entire section set up

an entire land set up to celebrate America, basically. It's basically America Street. Or the frontier and things like that. Walt obviously loved his country and that shines through. Do you have anything to add to that? Yeah, I don't really... Americana, right? The term's Americana. Americana, it kind of ties in a lot to the... Like you said, the American dream idea of like... I can't even...

Because he wasn't, he didn't grow up poor or anything like he was from Kansas. I know that. So he was like a middle American. But like just, yeah, going from like a low standard life to like the legacy he reached. It was very American. He seemed to attribute a lot of that to the country. So a lot of that came through in his work, I feel. And a lot of his early stuff, like one of those big things I remember was wanting the Hall of Presidents at Disney World. And like, what's his face? The guy on YouTube.

uh, who covers theme parks, you know what I mean? Defunct land. Defunct land. Defunct land. Yeah. He did this whole video going into it and he's done a bunch of stuff about Disney. Um, but yeah, there was a real push for that. Like the American history and the American side of things. Yeah. And, uh, to go back to what you were saying just briefly, I think he was like a, you probably say like a middle-class family. Definitely not like, uh, he didn't come from like royalty or anything like that. Like his parents, uh,

were forced to sell their farm pretty much due to the father's poor health in the 1910s or something. So they owned land, obviously, and they had a farm, but I don't think they would have sold if they were in a good position. So I think middle class is probably what I would use to describe them.

And Walt himself showed an extraordinarily strong work ethic. He was delivering papers from 4am. Again, I don't think that would be the case if he came from a rich family, right? He had dreams.

jobs growing up where it's like, this is obviously a middle-class family. And then he obviously went to art school. He got an apprentice, an apprenticeship position as an artist at the Pesman Rubin commercial art studio at just age 18.

I think 19 or 18, straight out of school, basically, during school. And that's where he kind of honed his skills. And then he formed the Walt Disney Company, which, you know, it's obviously...

It goes without saying, right, how instrumental the Disney company is to the world's kind of entertainment industry. It's a genre of entertainment. Yeah. It's just... I don't think entertainment would be the same today if not for Disney. Yeah, of course. And it expands beyond just children's movies, obviously. Even now, or especially now, it's got multiple divisions across entertainment, parks, media networks, platforms. They even own, like...

percentage stakes and like epic games and stuff like that they're in everything you can go to any country in the world any language and say disney and they'll know what you mean well you know what's insane they've got disneyland at in china that's yeah that's how massive yeah yeah that's how massive the reach is of this american property even china's like inviting the mouse in so you

you know, there's no bigger accomplishment in terms of entertainment than that for Walt Disney. So I don't really feel like we need to, you know, talk about Disneyland or Disney too much because you guys already know what it is. But I will say during those early years, Walt Disney was obviously instrumental in creating an enormous amount of entertainment

incredible pieces of art that stand the test of time. Steamboat Willie, the first Technicolor cartoon, which was Flowers and Trees, and the first full-length animated movie, Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, in 1937. Like, obviously, massive accomplishments. He created the genre, basically. Before World War II, he created a full-length animated film. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's crazy. It's the first of its type, so obviously that's...

Just massively impressive. So not going to spend too much time on that. Do you want to start reading about his death, though? Yes, yes. So now the part that this episode's concerned about. So since he was a teenager in World War I, Walt Disney was a chain smoker and did not use filters because he was a real American. By God. Yeah.

This took a heavy toll on his body and he was diagnosed with lung cancer at the beginning of November 1966. His left lung was removed that November.

I'm imagining you went to go back to what you were saying just a second ago. I'm imagining if Walt Disney was born in the like current era, what that would look like. Like he's at his art studio vaping. Yep. Like there is such a mental image of like, a lot of artists still, they still chain smoke a lot. I think a lot of young New Yorkers. Yeah. Yeah. I like to think he would still be kind of cool.

have like one layer of room at least he has to carry a ladder he'd be one of those pretentious guys who carry a matchbook instead of a lighter oh dude yeah he lifts up his shoe and like strikes it along the bottom of his uh shoe he only he only spokes like imports like some weird he won't just buy marble or spirits smoke spirits

The cancer was treated with cobalt therapy, which uses gamma rays from a radii... Is that supposed to be radii isotope? Probably. Yeah, I think so. Radii isotope cobalt-60 to kill tumor tissue. It was revolutionary at the time, and it has now been replaced with more modern technology like a linear accelerator, which produces high-energy radiation without the radioactive waste. Even to this day, like...

You've got cancer treatments still kind of risky. So imagine what it was in 1966, what they were blasted and full of. Yeah, to be fair, though, you've got cancer. I'll probably try anything at that point. Oh, no, I'm not saying he shouldn't have or whatever. I'm just saying that had to be threatening. Oh, yeah. It would have been horrible, let's be real. Absolutely horrible. Do you know what cobalt therapy is?

I don't actually. I'm not familiar with it. Well, it says that... I mean, cobalt is a... It uses gamma rays. Cobalt itself is... Yeah, it's on the elemental table, right? Yeah. So they're just blasting you with that? Yeah, well, they're probably using that to create radioactive waves. Right, yeah. So yeah, they're just using the element of cobalt to create radiation effectively and then beaming it into your body.

He spent the last weeks of his life at St. Joseph Hospital until the 15th of December, the same year he was diagnosed with cancer, when he died from circulatory collapse. Cardiac arrest was listed as a cause of death on his death certificate. He was 65 years old. I remember hearing in one of Defunctland's videos that in his final moments, he was laying in his deathbed. And they had been working on Epcot at the time, which wasn't...

It was planned to be like its own city, like a place people live, go to school, go to church. He was effectively trying to build a city that people's entire lives would be.

Yeah, it was the experimental, Epcot is an acronym that stands for Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow. And that was like his life's work, basically. Because as we'll come to understand, Walt Disney himself was a man that was just enamored by the prospect of tomorrow or future technology.

Yeah. He was really big about... He liked Tomorrowland stuff, like the future, like new technology, new developments, things like that. His body was cremated days... Oh, I was going to say about that. In his final moments, he was...

He's laying in his hospital room and I think it was one of his sons. I think it was Walt Disney Jr. Someone came to see him and he was laying in the hospital bed and he was using the tiles of the hospital room as like a blueprint and was talking to people about where he wanted stuff to be. Like, we'll put this there. We'll put that at that tile. Put that there. Like he was still in his last moments.

plotting it out. It's the saddest part to me. He was obviously, like I said, Epcot was his life's work. That was something that he really wanted to see through and he made, like you said, extremely detailed plans for his vision and it was incredible. The plans which everyone has seen, like they exist, we know what his idea was. He also did like a television series before his death for many years where he kind of

people through the process of what he was thinking about and doing with the parks. Like this is all detailed and documented. And he's, and he's plans for it. Well, like you said, it was like a futuristic city where people could live and work in and it would just be a utopia as he designed it. And a lot of those design principles actually make them made their way into how future cities would be built. So it's not like he was,

completely insane he definitely aimed high like there were a lot of things in epcot in his plans of epcot that were uh you know unrealistic let's say um but yeah he was a dreamer and i think that's the thing i admire most about him he wasn't content with just living you know a normal rich person's life he was always looking for something grand to do next and epcot was his final one yeah

So anyway, his body was cremated days later and his ashes were buried in the Forest Lawn Memorial Park privately owned cemetery in Glendale, California.

But that's just what they want you to think. That's what they want you to think, that his body's there. That's the fake one. See, like I said earlier, why would you put your money bags in the money bag box? Why would you put Walt Disney's body in the Walt Disney box, right? Yeah, they're expecting the dead body to be in a cemetery of all places. You've got to think outside of the box if you're going to catch Walt Disney. I bet right now if you tried to grave rob his body, you'd get hit with a Disney-themed landmine.

It's just fucking, it detracts money from your bank account. If you throw the door open, you pull the wire on a grenade, but when the grenade falls, you can see it's in the shape of a Mickey Mouse.

Do you think you're going to open up the grave if you eventually do grave for Walt Disney and he's wearing Mickey Mouse ears and like Disney merchandise? That's how I want to be rigged up. Yeah. But there's also... Bury me in my Disney merch, please. Yes, but there's also like a bomb. Like a grenade so they can see me and be like, what? And then the Walt Disney themed grenade goes off. Now there's two bodies in the box. Joke's on you.

Alright, Isaiah, what is the conspiracy surrounding this? Well, the conspiracy is 1964, a book named The Prospect of Immortality by Robert C.W. Ettinger was released. Ettinger is often credited with popularizing the idea and concept of cryonics. Ettinger, a physics professor, discussed that freezing a human body immediately after death could possibly preserve them until future medical advancements are made that are capable of curing their ailments.

Now, here's the insanity to that. Yeah, what? The idea of freezing you after you're dead doesn't make any sense because you're just dead. No, well, yeah, but the idea is eventually medicine will catch up when you're able to resurrect people. No, no, no, listen to me, listen to me. If you die and then get frozen, even if they cure the thing that was killing you, you're dead.

Yeah, but they're talking about creating things that will resurrect you, basically, eventually. No, no, no. They're talking about curing uncurable diseases, like cancer or something. They're saying that years later we could administer the cure. And that's fine if you free someone while they're alive. Yeah.

Can you imagine how horrifying it would be to be frozen before you die? Look, if you want to play ball, you have to get in the game. You got to be on the court, ready to go. In that situation, you also have to be absolutely confident you're about to die in the next five minutes.

Yes. Otherwise, you're dying under the assumption. Well, not five minutes, because by that point, your systems are going to be so weak. It's like, yay, we cured your disease, but your heart is still five minutes from dying along with your circulatory system. You're not coming back from this. Okay, but in that situation, then you bring them back and they're like, if you're taking this for real, then you got to get frozen right now.

Like you don't even have anything yet. Right now? Yeah. When I'm 27? Yes, you don't even have anything yet, but you might. So you better get to a place where there's cures right now. Plus, most people that die and are frozen, they're going to be like resurrected in their 90-year-old bodies. That's going to suck. You're in the future, but with a 90-year-old body? You're in the future with a 90-year-old body that's dead.

That's what you're not picking up. You're gone. They also have to find a way to magically resuscitate people if that was the case. They're bringing people back to life. They're unfreezing them. I think they're going to have the technology to resurrect them. No, no, no. When they're talking about freezing, you're effectively saying a long-term paralysis, like a coma. Yes.

We can wake people up out of comas. That makes sense. But there's a difference between coma and dead. Those are two different things. Yeah, but what I'm saying... What's going to happen is in 2060, they're going to unfreeze all these people and a bunch of bodies are going to fall out and they're going to be like, oh no, we may have cured their disease, but we didn't cure death. We forgot about that part.

I think in the future, if we've... Like, they're not going to unfreeze people until they're sure that they can, like, you know, resuscitate them. So, the assumption is, I be freezed now, or when I'm dead, I be freezed when I'm dead, only ever wake me up if you're able to resurrect me. And at that point, like, what's the harm in freezing yourself? I actually, like... You're talking about a world where we just cure death. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh. I'm talking about that made-up world, yeah. Okay. Where it's possible to resurrect people from death. If we can cure death, why get frozen in the first place? Because I could just die and then wake up again. Over and over. Well, no. The idea of cryonics, right, is... Or the principle is freezing the body so that it doesn't decompose. That's the entire idea. So you're saying we cure death... Wait. Hold on. You're saying we cure death before we cure cancer?

No, I mean, if they've got cancer and they died from cancer, you're probably still going to need to cure cancer when they come out of death, right? In the crown. Yeah. Okay. So in that world, people will just keep dying and then being resurrected every day forever. Over and over and over again. I'm 99 years old. It's like, you got another day. And then they're resurrected. Yeah. Yeah.

So if I die, if I want to die, I have to go away from anyone so they don't find me. I don't think it's a feasible idea. All right. I don't think we're ever going to cure the existential issue of death. So I think likely that these people are just going to be frozen forever. I think we've got a bunch of bodies on ice somewhere and we can't do anything with them, but people keep paying money for it. So we keep taking them in.

I mean, to be fair, it's a 0.001% chance of ever being successful. But when you're talking about permanent death, I mean, that 0.001% chance becomes more attractive, right? Like, why not just take it at that point? Why not freeze yourself? I'm sure if I think about this long enough, I can develop a moral issue with it.

Yeah, well, that's what I was going to ask. I'm actually interested in the idea of how religious people think about this, because does it keep you from the afterlife? No, no, no. There's nothing... Well, hold on. What are we talking about? Are we talking about this world where you are frozen and then you just are resurrected every day forever? Because I'd say that would probably be a non-good thing.

You show up to heaven and they drag you back in to your body. Stop! Let me go back. It was so good up there. Although, could the argument then be made that we've made our world heaven because we've destroyed the idea of death and this needs to now be our heaven?

I think if we destroyed the idea of... I think if death didn't exist, people would be far worse. Because without death, there's no merit by which life is judged, right? True, true, yes. There's no stakes to things anymore. Yeah, there's no stakes to things. There's no purpose. There's no time. There's no...

Hedonism would take over entirely. I mean, to, to abscond yourself of death, uh, or the principle or the idea of death is just to basically give into hedonism, right? Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think that's what become that in a lot of suicides, if I had to imagine, uh,

Yeah, I don't think it would be a good thing. But to answer your question about is it religiously wrong, I don't think so. I mean, no sensible religious person has an issue with medicine, right? So if you view this as a medicine thing, sure. I just think it's kind of humanistically a dumb idea. Why? Because I think that if you view...

What I'm curious about is do people keep having children at that point? And what happens to like the population if everyone doesn't die and we still keep creating? Oh, I'm talking about cryogenics now. Oh, okay. Okay. About them. I would say I don't think it's a good idea because I feel like...

With exception, like if you're super young and get a dangerous illness, I would understand the need for it. But if like you're older and stuff, it's like there is a time where it's okay to pass on. Hopefully, like try to live your life in such a way to where the phases of your life are satisfied to where in the end... What's that Emerson quote? Not when it comes time did I find that I had not yet lived, right? Like...

I think the idea of being at the end of your life and begging for nothing but more time, sure, everyone wants more time, but if you were to be frozen and then wake up 80 years later, that's not your world anymore. It's not the people you knew. It's not the circumstances you knew. You're being deposited somewhere else. Unless they were also frozen. Unless your wife and everyone you know was also frozen. I mean, I guess. If there was a social system like Medicare or whatever where everyone gets frozen. We're going to time travel, guys. Come on. Get in here. Yeah.

Like, when do we, when do we, when do they wake us up eventually? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, the idea, it's such a complicated hypothetical to me because on principle or on, on foundation, right? It sounds so good.

It's hard to really argue against the idea of skipping death and then being reborn into a paradise or a world where they've cured all disease. They can bring people back to life, essentially, like we just said. So that sounds great, right? That has to be a paradise if we've made those kinds of technological innovations and leaps. So why would I not want to live there? Why would I not want to be frozen so that I eventually could be born or reborn in that world? Yeah.

So I don't know. I don't really have a moral issue with it. It kind of makes sense to me. Yeah. I don't know. I guess I just think it's, I don't know. It seems anti-human to me when I think about it. I just don't like it. There's a yuck I get from it. The idea of freezing yourself and coming out later. Yeah, I get the ick from it. Well, I like cold, so maybe that's the difference. Oh, there you go. That is the difference. You are Australian after all.

I do like cold weather. But anyway, the book is written optimistically about the process, although it admits that there was no way of reviving a frozen body yet. Still isn't. The book was released shortly before Disney was diagnosed and died of cancer, meaning he could have possibly known about the idea of cryonics. 64, the book was written and released, so that would have been two years or one year.

1966, wasn't it, when he died? Two years, yeah. Yeah, two years. Okay, so two years, yeah. I imagine a book called The Prospect of Immortality would have been pretty widespread at the time. That would have been interesting. I assume Disney would have heard of it. All the theory really needs to do is establish that the idea existed before he died, right? Which it didn't, yeah. Which it has. Which it did.

The book was released shortly before Disney was diagnosed and died of cancer, meaning he could have known about it. There is a rumor about a journalist from an old newspaper, the National Spotlight, who claimed to sneak into St. Joseph Hospital, where Disney was being treated at the time. The journalist said he snuck into a storage room where he saw a cryogenic cylinder with the frozen Walt Disney inside. This guy just casually sneaking into hospitals as like a side gig.

It's probably easy to sneak into a hospital if you've got the correct disguise. Yeah, but what kind of journalist is like, honey, I think it's Tuesday. I think the hospital unloads their bodies today. I'm going to go take a look. You're making this journalist sound like a very nice guy. But what in my head, I'm picturing like a TMZ journalist. They don't have honeys to talk to at home. Unironically, this is the 1966 equivalent of TMZ.

Yes. Tabloid journalism, like the people who made Diane crash in the French Tunnel. It's not unbelievable to think that it's a slimy journalist who would have snuck through the hospital sewers to spy on Walt Disney. Although this story floats around the internet, there's no proof that the journalist ever even existed. The first body to be frozen happened in 1966, although they had been embalmed for two months already.

Wait, embalmed means like all your insides are removed, right? Uh-huh, yep. Well, that's going to make the resurrection a bit harder, right? Don't cure that. I'll figure that one out. They've just got a skin suit on ice. What's the point of that? There's no point to that.

This woman is still unidentified and in an article on Web Archives from Alcar called Suspension Failures, they regard the change from freezing for cosmetic purposes to cryonics, saying in regards to this patient, quote, cryocare did not use cryoprotectants or perfusion with their patients, but only did straight freezes to liquid nitrogen temperature.

These freezings were advertised as being for cosmetic purposes rather than eventual reanimation. I don't like the terminology they use, like reanimation, like we're fucking five months of produce characters. That's what it is. I mean, it is. Deanimated then reanimated, yeah. Yeah, but you use resurrection or something that sounds slightly more powerful than reanimation. Nah, I'm going to make it worse. I'm going to say it's black magic. It's zombies. There's enough...

Also, just real quick, they talked about perfusion there. That's when they freeze the insides of you. They inject the stuff into your body to freeze it from the inside out, basically. Straight freeze, I'm pretty sure, is just they stick you in the...

material basically to free to you their first case in april of 1966 was the first instance of a human being frozen with at least some thoughts of the cryonics premise of eventual reanimation though conditions were adverse and prospects discouraging as was admitted okay so 1966 that would have been before walt disney died yeah it's the year he died yeah yeah so

Yeah. It was possible for him to be frozen upon death. I think that much is true. Likely it sounds like, like there were other cases where cryogenic, uh, or cry, cryotic, I think, what was it called? Cry, um, cryonic, um,

cryonic cases had been taken in the months leading up to his death so is it possible that he could have been frozen yes in 1967 a month after disney's death a man named james bedford who was an american psychology professor was cryogenically frozen after passing away from cancer and remains still frozen today he resides in the alcor life extension foundation in arizona

Actually, I've got the ick now, now that I'm thinking about it. That guy's been in there for 60 years. Yeah, get him out, Jackson. It's fine. Yeah, I can resurrect him. I'll give him heart compressions. There you go. I'll do it. We'll cure death. We will be God. Yeah, easy. It is a bit ick to think that there's just this building in Arizona somewhere with a bunch of vats of frozen bodies. No, it's great, Jackson. We're going to cure them. They'll be better.

Bedford was injected with 15% dimethyl sulfoxide and 85% ringer solution. The issue with these chemicals being used in the, is the uncertainty how it may impact as possible future recovery and how his brain is possibly affected. You know, if we ever resurrect anyone, they're going to be like mindless animals coming out of it. Yeah. Yeah. Like they're going to be so brain broken from, I,

Yeah, I mean, life isn't meant to be treated that way, right? Is there any cases of animals being frozen and then reanimated? I'm pretty sure there's some animals that were able to suspend themselves. Well, yes, but it's different because when animals are frozen, there's one species of fish that I think every year its main cycle gets frozen and then comes back. But it's never like they're dead. They're always in a hibernation.

Yes, there's a big difference in your body system slowing and your brain not working anymore.

Well, plus, like, we're talking about evolutionary adjustments to their physiology that have made it possible and such, which you can't directly correlate that to humans. Otherwise, we would be making arguments that we'd be able to, like, cut off our heads and still operate like chickens do, like how they're able to operate without their heads for a bit. Like, it's obviously not one-to-one. But it's just interesting that that does exist in nature or has existed in nature. Mm-hmm.

Around 600 people worldwide are currently cryogenically frozen, with thousands with their names down to be frozen when they die. How does that make you feel, Jackson? I'm going to add my name to that list. How much does it cost, though? We're going to get to there, but there's currently no known way to bring them back. The Alcor Foundation offers memberships ranging from $17 to $100 a month, or life insurance from $25 to $800 a month.

To receive whole body cryopreservation, they require a minimum of $220,000.

Or just the brain is a minimum of 80,000. Wait, you can pay to have them rip your brain out and put it on ice? And just freeze it? To be fair, that's not a bad... If you're shopping for a saving, that's not a bad idea because I think the idea of uploading our brain consciousness to... That's a great idea. That is a great idea. What if we take our whole brain and we rip it out and then we put it... Could you imagine if we did pull that out? Like you right now, you die and then you blink and you're 200 years later in a different body.

I'm sure that'll have no adverse effects. No. You know, I said a minute ago that religious people don't have problems with it. I do now. Thinking about this right now, immediately burn it, get rid of it, throw it away. What if you're just put in a computer, though? It's not even another body. You're just in a program. Okay, all that put your brain in a computer stuff is just making a copy of you. You're still there. You're just uploading personality for other people to talk to, I guess.

What if, alright, do you... There's no way to put a soul, like a mental, like, comprehension into a machine. Have you heard of the idea that when you go to sleep, you're making a new copy of yourself, basically, when you wake up? That might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

I mean, that's what I've heard. I've seen that discussed. What do you mean you make a copy of yourself when you wake up? Well, how can you know that you're still the same person? So every night you die and then a clone takes over? Well, did a crack addict, did just like someone shooting up meth tell you this in like a subway? Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, you don't know because you've been asleep. Like, you have no recollection of what happened in between. And the idea of your spirit or your consciousness is so abstract, it could be entirely different. I'm just going to keep reading. They also offer... So you can't beat it with facts and logic, so you just got to move on. You're right. I don't need facts and logic to say I'm going to walk into that chronic room with a shotgun and just shoot all the bodies. See if they can cure a buckshot. What if the power goes out?

Like there's a blackout. I'm sure it has. You know what they 100% would do? That people would melt and decompose and they'd throw their bodies away. And then they would be like, no, they're still there. Well, you can't open it because they're frozen. You can't look at them because they're frozen. You can't go in there. It'll disrupt the freezing process. Yeah. What's the name of this place? Alcor Foundations. Let me look at how they have their bodies stored. Alcor Life Extension Foundation. That would be the grift. If you said you were freezing bodies and then you throw them out back. You were just burning them. And you just have like storage lockers with like temperature...

like, thermometers attached to them. And you're like, yep, they're cooking in there. And they, you just, there's nothing there. I mean, they're freezing in there. It's just an empty warehouse. Yeah. Life. That would be the greatest rift, yeah. Because you don't even have to pay upkeep anymore. If I can't see the bodies, if the pictures are just like shut vaults,

These, okay, I'm looking at their shop right now. Well, I've always seen them portrayed with their little windows on the front so that you can see Walt Disney's face. These look like pub alcohol brewers. Like the big silver... What's the word I'm thinking? Yeah, the vats. There's a word for them. Barrel. A barrel, whatever. Yeah, it looks like those. It looks like I'm at one of those...

like breweries that have the big vats where they have like, Oh, flavor of the week or whatever. There's no one in there. They're making, they're making beer and getting high and laughing about it. Wow. Yeah. There was absolutely no windows. There's just a little like, there's a thermometer gauge on the front, which doesn't mean anything. I want to see people in there. Like, like, like frozen with like their hands up trying to get out. Like then I'll believe until then.

It does look like one of the things that a magician would try to escape out of, like an escape artist trick. If they're chained up. They load them in from the top and seal it. Yeah. It also says that they offer pet freezings ranging from $29,000 to $123,000 for a full body straight freeze. Yep. This is insane. Well, Sparky has to suffer the consequences of my sins and trifling God with me.

Could you not just take one of your pets into the vat with you? Why do they need to charge extra for it? Well, I imagine. I don't think they just drop you in there full of ice or liquid nitrogen. You're probably hooked up to like a mask and stuff like that, I'd imagine. Actually, no, you're not because there's nothing in there. There's beer in there. There's nothing in there. It's empty. Frozen in beer.

I am imagining them just dumping you into cold water basically like an ice bath. That's my idea of cryonics. Yeah, that'd be funny if you told people you're doing it then you just dump a naked body into a tub of ice. Like, they're good. They're frozen. That'll do it. No need to thank me. There are rumors that a family member of Disney's was on the Alcor mailing list although I cannot find exactly who this has or may have been. That's how all this is going to be. It's like, well, someone said this happened but there's no evidence. Someone said this thing happened and there's no evidence.

That's an urban myth for you. Like one of the classic urban myth traits is like, this person said this this one time. I saw this once, can't confirm, but I did. Just like you saying you heard. What was the thing you said you heard? That every night you die, a clone of you wakes up. Yeah, you change consciousness. Yeah, the exact same thing you did, yeah.

Yeah, me saying that is enough proof. That's all the proof I'll ever need. One of the reasons the story of Disney being frozen began to blow up in public memory was when it was first published in a French magazine, It's Si Paris, in 1969, written a few years after Disney died.

They said they got the information from a group of Disney animators who were privately joking about Walt having frozen himself. That's definitely how this all started. Just like a bunch of animators at Disney, like joking about their boss's death, basically. Like, yeah, that guy totally froze himself. And then that got reported by ICI Paris. And then it just spread from there across the world. 100%. ICI Paris.

The story had been that a reporter had broken into the hospital where Walt was staying, disguised as an orderly, where he discovered Walt's suspended body in a cryogenic metal cylinder. The theories then naturally expanded from that general idea from then, once it attached itself to the public as an urban legend.

Some believe Disney as a whole is frozen, while others believe a branch of theory that it was just his brain that was frozen. I've also heard just his head, like, floating in a vat. Yeah, both. Kind of like Futurama, right? Yes, same idea.

Some believe that Walt Disney's fascination with audio animatronic figures at the 1964 World's Fair stemmed from him uploading his brain into the animatronics eventually. Ooh. Oh, that is like Five Nights at Freddy's. Yeah. That's what Walt Disney sounded like. That's terrifying. Yeah.

I don't like that idea. That journalist was in the hospital and he's in a dark closet like, I don't think anyone's here. And then Freddy's eyes light up behind him. But it's Walt Disney's face. Imagine, yeah, he's stuck in this animatronics body and you can't communicate or anything. You're just consciousness trapped in like, yeah, like a pizzeria animatronic.

Yeah, you would go crazy. You would absolutely go crazy very quickly, like you said. There have been biographies released that claim Disney was interested in the idea of cryogenics, such as Disney's World by Robert Mosley in 1986, Walt Disney, Hollywood's Dark Prince by Mark Elliott in 1993. Both books portray Disney in a more dark, unflattering light.

The books painted Disney to be anxious about death, and they both also talk about Disney wanting to be frozen so he could be brought back to life and with enough energy to get back into work and possibly correct any mistakes around Epcot that those after his death made.

You know, Disney would absolutely freeze himself just to fix Epcot eventually. Of course, yeah. He loved Epcot. Anything he was into, he was into a bajillion percent. No joke. Yeah. All the time. I mean, like you said, he was literally working on his deathbed. Mm-hmm.

These books were written long after the French article, which seemed to be the progenitor of the rumor. His interest in... So while there's a bunch of books you can find that talk about the idea that he was frozen, they all stem from the same source, which is just conjecture of some French magazine basically saying, we heard some animators saying that he was frozen. That's it. Yeah.

I mean, yeah, or he could have just not wanted to die. Yeah. Both are possible. That's also true.

You don't really need like an elaborate motive behind his potential reasoning behind being frozen. This next point's my favorite, I think. In his last recorded video, An Evening with Walt Disney, before his death, he signed off by saying, I hope to see you soon. Obvious proof that he was planning to beat death and find immortality to the truthers. So,

So people point to that specifically as proof that he was planning to freeze himself. That would be really funny if like there's a theater showing of it and he's like, I hope to see you soon. Then he rips through the screen in like a Mac outfit. He's just saying goodbye. That's not proof. See you later. Well, obviously. See you on the flip side.

Disney's, Disney's cancer. It's out of the press. And then when, that'd be really funny. So at like someone's funeral, there's like a little video of them. Like I'll see you soon. And then their body gets thrown through the screen. Like flips forward. I've talked about how funny it would be to have like an air compressor underneath someone at a funeral, like under their chest. So they randomly like, like shoot up in the coffin, then go back down. Well,

That's what I want my funeral to be like. But it's on a random timer, so no one knows when it's going to hit. No one can know when it's going to happen at all. And you don't know when it's going to be enough to rip my top half off my lower half and make it a really hard time for everyone there. Enough force to send you into the ceiling. I just get mauled. Just eviscerate it.

Disney's cancer had been kept out of the press and then when Disney passed away his death wasn't announced to the public for several hours which people point to as proof he was quickly being moved to the chamber how is that proof that's not proof see alright this is what happened right you know the animators made that

Theory or whatever. They made that joke and then that magazine picked it up. And then everyone has done their hardest to pick apart things that have happened to fit that idea, basically. Or they look at every single detail, as most urban legends do. They look at every single detail through the lens that it was true, so they need to make this fit. Of course, what do you think is going to happen when he was...

when he dies, like obviously they're not going to immediately alert the public. They need to make time to like tell family members and stuff. Yeah. I don't understand how that's a point. I mean, it's like, well, it's, it's your proof. Just like the journalist who doesn't exist. Like it's, it's evidence that the body was being moved to the chamber and

When Disney originally went to the hospital to undergo surgery on his lung, the media were told that he was going in for an old neck injury, keeping the true nature of the admission a secret. People point to this as proof as well that something bigger was happening. Other than the dying part. Maybe he just didn't want you to know he was dying? The lie they made to make up the disease was actually a secret double lie. To set up the machines.

Disney's funeral wasn't announced until after it had happened, which was a small ceremony at the Little Church of Flowers in the Forest Lawn Cemetery, Glendale, where his ashes rest. It took place the day after his death on the 16th of December. Oh man, they didn't invite me to his funeral. He must be frozen underneath the Pirates of the Caribbean. It was an empty coffin with a bomb with a grenade in it. With free merch. Free merch, yeah.

If I die, I want to have my body holding a map. So when someone inevitably graves robs me, I'm holding a sign that's like, I seek the treasure. Yeah, go to this point to get Wendigoon merch. Yeah, it's just one merch. It's like, well, dang it. I agree, though. You've got the right ideas, Isaiah. You want your body flown up into the air during your funeral. I just want something mauling to happen to me. Something cutesy. Death...

The funeral shouldn't be a depressing thing. Let's have some fun with it. Let's bring fun back to funerals. With the caveat of the hand grenade. Much to be clear. Okay, well, that's less fun. That's less fun. For you, maybe. If you're digging up the grave. I thought you just wanted to put fun back in funerals. I was on your side until then. It's going to be fun for someone. It's going to be a real careful funeral if I've got a grenade with the pin pulled up under my back while I'm laying in the casket. Those pallbearers are going to be real careful. Yeah, about to set it off.

The hearse hits a bump. Boom! Yeah, explodes. And he kind of tilts. You see them hit a speed bump a little too fast and they open the doors and roll out of the car. You've got the Hurt Locker squad needing to be the pull bears. Yeah.

Well, there was secrecy around this with those who worked at the ceremony not disclosing any details about the funeral or what happened to Walt Disney's body. Only saying the following statement, Mr. Disney's wishes were very specific and had been spelled out in great detail.

What his wishes were has been kept quiet and not released to the public. His funeral had no attendees from the Disney Studios either. I guess you're not owed any privacy in death as soon as there's an accusation that you've frozen your body. Of course not. As soon as that theory is around, you need to know the details of the funeral. Obviously, it's a private affair. He's not going to have a giant public thing. Also, is the assumption there that the cemetery would have been the one freezing his body too?

Because they're saying that the people at the cemetery won't tell them what happened. Yes. Or it was a fake funeral or something. Because the actual body was being pulled away. Yeah, something like that. The other body somewhere else. Yeah, yeah. While his death certificate confirms his cremation, there are no photos of his body post-death. There's a theory that the movie... It's a pile of ashes, right? By that point...

Oh, I guess they could have taken photos of him in the hospital bed. Yeah, on the way there and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. There is a theory that the movie Frozen was created and or named Frozen so that when you Google Disney Frozen, it comes up with the movie and not the conspiracy theory.

Same concept can be applied to Disney on Ice, the touring ice show that features popular Disney characters. I wasn't sure until now, but now I'm on board. I agree. They absolutely are hiding something. Definitely makes sense. I like the idea of someone like in 20, when Frozen came out, 2016 or something. I like the idea of someone like watching the movie and being like, oh my gosh, I know why. Or more accurately, they're at home trying to Google and Frozen keeps coming up. They're like, they've done it.

Those sons of guns. Why can't I find the conspiracy theory anymore? And that blocks you. Every time I look it up. Yeah. Like...

Disney, yeah, it makes sense to me. Yeah, I agree. I like the idea. I'm sold. I'm sold. Frozen was actually originally called the Snow Queen and was later renamed for unknown reasons. It is a dumb name. That's why it was changed. Yeah, that's why. I could tell you the unknown reason. It was because the Snow Queen sucks. That's a dumb title. Get it out of here.

One of the movie posters literally features the characters' heads just popping out of the snow. Coincidence? See below, which people have taken out to be a hint that Disney's heads in ice need I say more. The middle one of him actually holding up his head, of Olaf holding up his own head, is actually an image of Walt Disney doing that because he ripped off his own head and put it in there as an affront to God.

So the idea that they've frozen his head, his entire body is still in there. It's just his head is decapitated and he's holding it up in the frozen tube. Yes, that's what I think. If I was Disney, I'd be frozen, but I'd make like a scary face and hide it somewhere in the park. So like kids turn a corner and then like cry. That'd be great. Give the audience at home your best scary face. What does that look like?

Like, I don't know, like a mean face. Yeah, make a Wario noise. The rumor has persisted and expanded since his death, even going so far into the 90s. The Disney employees spread stories about Disney's so-called Big Freeze.

These stories made their way into books and articles, like Walt Disney's biography, which made them spread even faster through the public. Now it's referenced constantly in pop culture. Now they're going to need to make a movie called Disney's Big Freeze, so that whenever I search up Big Freeze or Walt Disney's Big Freeze or whatever... Just make more and more convoluted theories, like the Disney Icebox questionnaire thing or whatever. Yeah, and then if they brought out a movie...

If they brought out a movie called the Icebox Questionnaire, then I'd start to actually think, yeah, why are they hiding this? Why are they hiding it up? Yeah. Covering up, yeah. Every time I try to Google something, they make a movie about it. It's so annoying.

Alright, so the obvious question then is if Disney's body was frozen, where is it now? Because all of the big cryonics companies have denied any involvement in the freezing of his body. The most popular theory is that Walt Disney's body is actually kept beneath the Pirates of the Caribbean ride in Disneyland, California. Why? And this is all the logic you really need, because the ride was built about two months after he died. So obviously...

That's enough proof for me. That's obviously where they're going to put his body. Because, yeah, that makes sense. You want it at the theme park. That's where I'd put it. I'd put it in the... You put it in the money bag box, like I said.

You know, if he actually did freeze himself, I could see him putting his body on display, but it would be at like Epcot or something, I would think. Like somewhere where his body could serve as an idea of what the future would be like, because I think that's in line with what he, you know, what he wanted. So I could see if he did freeze himself, I could see it actually being, weirdly enough, an exhibition at like Epcot. But underneath Pirates of the Caribbean, no. And this is why I don't believe the idea.

as well is because if he did freeze himself he was such a technologist that I think he would have wanted it known I don't see why there's any reason for it to be secret mm-hmm yep yeah I don't know it's just my take

It's not just the Pirates of the Caribbean ride where Disney's body is said to be kept. People also talk specifically about a bunch of tunnels underneath Disneyland. And this is what you're talking about before, right? They've got tunnels all over these places. They're called the Utilidor system. Do you have anything to add to that? Yeah. So like one of the reasons Disney built them originally is because he didn't like...

if a worker had to go from one place to another like you could be in tomorrowland but see a cowboy from a different thing walk over and it killed the vibe and also sometimes mascots who had trouble getting through the park because fans would keep trying to talk to them so there's tunnels everywhere so that as soon as a worker needs to leave they can just go down into the tunnel to get from one part of the park to the other yeah these aren't a conspiracy theory these tunnels actually do exist they are more like logistical in nature they're not like the back rooms or whatever they're

If you're lame. Well, they could be the back rooms. They could be. But yeah, they exist and they're used for, like you said, logistical purposes, like moving trash and stuff. I've seen videos of people exploring them and stuff. They're pretty boring and banal. They're just to kind of keep the idea of the magic within the park alive so that you don't see janitors moving trash bags around a lot. Makes sense. Not really proof that Disney's down there frozen.

And then also people specifically believe that his body may be inside the spaceship Earthsphere at Epcot. But again, I don't see why they would hide his body in a theme park ride when he could be in the centerpiece, like, you know, in the middle of a fountain display, basically in the middle of Epcot, which is what I think he would probably do if he did freeze himself. All right. Now it's time for you to do your favorite thing, Isaiah. Debunk this very hard to debunk theory.

Is this section... Alright. Yes, it's possible that Disney heard about being cryogenically frozen, but it's equally possible they never heard about it. Her daughter herself has said that she doesn't believe he'd ever heard of it. Yeah, but she's bought out by Bob Iger in the Disney Corporation. Her dad's an ice bucket. She doesn't know what he's about. He didn't tell his own daughter and family that he's going to freeze himself.

The books, Disney World and Walt Disney, Hollywood's Dark Prince, have received harsh criticism from the Disney family and claims are often heavily disputed. Many do not see the book as a credible source and the claims themselves come from unreliable sources and secondhand stories. Who would have thought? Not me. Yeah, crazy.

Uh, Disney probably wanted to deal with his cancer privately, which is why it was a fairly secretive topic. There could have been many reasons why he may have wanted to keep a happy public persona and he may have wanted it to not affect the mood of the parks. Uh, Disney's death did take hours to reach the press and then the public, but this is not as strange as it seems.

Firstly, his family and close business associates would have been made aware, allowing them a moment's privacy to grieve and begin the funeral and cremation preparations. The press didn't know he was dying either, as they believed he was at the hospital for the neck injury.

In her book, The Story of Walt Disney, Disney's daughter Diane wrote, he never goes to a funeral if he can help it. If he had to go to one, it plunges him into a reverie, which lasts for hours after he's home. Such times, he says, when I'm dead, I don't want a funeral. I want people to remember me alive. So Walt Disney did not like funerals and did not want one for himself, which explains the secrecy around his own, how small it was as well, and why it was quickly conducted the day after his death. Makes sense. Yeah.

The president of the California Cryogenic Society, Bob Nelson, gave an interview in 1972 and responded to the rumors about Walt Disney saying, the truth is, Walt missed out. He never specified in writing, and when he died, the family didn't go for it. They had him cremated. I personally have seen his ashes. They're in Forest Lawn. Two weeks later, we froze the first man. No, he just missed out.

See, I do think that he would have froze himself if given the chance. No, I don't think he was that insane. Really? Really? I think he's dead anyway. I think he's a special kind of person to freeze yourself.

But he was such a big fan of the future. Like, if it was anyone else, any other businessman at the time. There's a difference between being afraid of the future and being like, I want to throw my body into the ether. I fear eternity. I face today, like, whatever. You know, the temporalist mindset of it. The uncertainty of it would be too much for any person, realistically.

Of the freezing? Well, I think the uncertainty of eternity, of the afterlife, is also a lot for a lot of people. I think it's two different beasts, but...

I don't know. I don't see. I think there's a reason that this concept is as well known as it is, freezing bodies, and there's only how many people, did it say, are currently frozen? Yeah, like a thousand. Yeah, I think that speaks for itself. It's thousands, yeah. Yeah. However, Bob Nelson did add fuel to the fire by continuing to explain that Walt did want to be frozen, and they had numerous discussions about before his death with Walt asking questions about the process. Ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho. Okay, well then, I mean, that adds...

Yeah, I mean, I was right then. He did want to be frozen, right? Well, he asked questions about it. If Bob Nelson is trustworthy... I mean, he's...

He was the president of the California Cryogenic Society, so I'm not going to act like he was incredibly unbiased. He's probably... This sounds like the most unbiased person I've ever heard of. I think that the guy who... Makes money off freezing people. I think the guy whose entire life is freezing people, who starts a sentence about Walt not being frozen as truth is, Walt missed out. I think that's a trust guy. Unbiased party.

It is interesting how this conspiracy theory has grown throughout the years. Researching online, many confess that they believe that Disney was frozen, either his whole body or just his head, or was the first person to be frozen with certainty due to other people speaking as if it were true until they did further research.

It seems to be a widely believed theory. I don't know about widely, but there are definitely people online. Like I've seen it. Like people actively been like, wait, Disney wasn't frozen. Like the mentally, the mentally ill and memers. I'm going to say that's the two. No, they're not. They're actually people. Hold on. They're being told as a kid. I believe he's frozen because they were told like, yeah, he got frozen. It's like, okay, sure. I mean,

If you're a kid and you're told, like, you know, Walt Disney was frozen by a trusted figure. Yeah, it's fine that he's frozen. I'm saying the conspiracy about him being frozen and under Disneyland and, like, all that. Yes. Yeah. I mean, like, people have clearly been frozen, so it's not unbelievable to just, if you hear it, be like, oh, yeah, okay, that makes sense. If you're telling me, I trust you. It's not impossible information. Yeah. Yeah.

And that's how it spreads. That's how it spreads. You start telling other people that, like you're drunk at a bar or whatever, and you're like, yeah, did you know if Disney's frozen? And then they're like, oh, yeah, no way. Clearly. Awesome. Thanks. And that's how it spreads. You don't really need any evidence because it's not like unbelievably unrealistic or whatever. Like it's on the ground level, like you could believe it being told by a trusted person. But,

Not true. There's no proof of him being frozen. In fact, there's more proof through his death certificate and things like that of him being cremated after his death. So that does seem to be the most likely outcome. Yeah, and his own daughter said, quote, there is absolutely no truth to the rumor that my father, Walt Disney, wished to be frozen. I doubt that my father had ever heard of cryonics. So you can trust the guy whose entire business is cryonics. You can trust his daughter as to why.

It's up to you. You know what? It's a 50-50. It's a coin flip, I think. Yeah. Yeah, it's up to you. It's either Diane Disney or Bob Nelson. Let's put them in a debate and see them. Let's watch them fight. Figure it out. Let's see who wins. Yeah. How old would Diane Disney be now? Maybe she's frozen. Oh, see, maybe she was just trying to throw us off her scent. Oh, yeah. She died like 10 years ago. Maybe she is frozen. Maybe if you dug up his grave, it'd be her frozen. She's in his grave. Really mess with you. Yeah.

All right. So that's going to do it for this episode. Isaiah, you have been a very busy boy these last few days, cranking out videos. So you're obviously very tired. It's like 10 p.m. there, right? Yeah, it's 10 p.m. right now.

big thank you for showing up and putting on the show with me uh you do you want to shout out your video let people know ah i just released the pet scott video i'm sure that you guys are familiar with it by now everyone as soon as i accidentally announced it on creepcast everyone has constantly been messaging me about it but it's out now so you can quit you can grow up um

But yep, content's up now. Be sure to check it out. Also, merch drop. Merch plug. Merch is dropped right now, so get in on that. Windigoon.shop if you're interested. I believe, yeah, that's pretty much it. Are you wearing it right now? Do you have it to show off? I've got the clothes are somewhere else. I've got this guy. He's part of the merch drop. This little squonk plush. This weird little plush guy. He's part of it.

We'll discuss it. It'll be linked below as per usual. So go check that out. The merch drop as well as the video. Big thank you to everyone for watching and supporting us. Tell a friend, let people know. Also on audio platform. So you can head on over there. We tried a new format this week. Just bullet points, points, points, instead of a full script. You said right. Points. I don't think, I don't think we could have made a script out of this one anyway, because it was so fucking stupid. Hell,

ultimately. So that's probably a good one to test this on. Let us know what you think if you prefer more scripted or more kind of shooting from the hip, taking bullet points and just kind of talking about shit. Let us know what you prefer. Thank you very much and we'll see you next time. Bye guys. Thank you all so much. Appreciate it and catch you in the next one and be careful about falling into vats of freezers or Walt Disney's booby-trapped grave. Bye.

Yeah, don't go grave digging. Well, she really wants to.