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In 2013, a 21-year-old woman set out on a solo trip to Los Angeles, the city of angels, ready for adventure. Her name was Elisa Lam, but what began as a journey of self-discovery soon spiraled into one of the most haunting and perplexing mysteries of our time. Found dead in the rooftop water tank of the infamous Cecil Hotel, her final moments were captured in a chilling, erratic elevator video that left the world with more questions than answers.

Was it a tragic accident or something more sinister? Maybe something supernatural related? Or maybe a government conspiracy? Let's find out today in this episode of Red Thread. Hello guys. I'm scared bro, you scared me.

I scared you with that with that intro. Hi. Yes, it is. I Wendigo from Appalachia. I definitely didn't forget to start recording. That would be silly. I was expecting the twist of your story to be that Jeffrey Epstein was in the water tank instead of Eliza Lange. Jeffrey Epstein has climbed into the water tower. Yeah, that's funny. That's a funny image. I don't know if you guys imagine that.

Or imagine if instead of Jeffrey Epstein, it was the Rule of Two from Star Wars. I love references. Did I mention I was from Appalachia?

Every reference possible. It feels... I don't know. How do you guys... Genuinely, how do you guys feel about making comedic intros out of actual true crime cases? I get it for doing dumb, goofy things in the past with... Well, I guess Jeffrey Epstein wasn't a dumb, goofy thing, but in the grand scheme of things, it feels fine to me to make a joke out of that at the intro. But with something like this, it feels...

Yeah, it feels a bit weird. I think it's okay for someone as terrible as Jeffrey Epstein to be the butt of the joke. As long as we're not poking fun at any victims, I don't see any problem with it. By making jokes, we're just trying to lighten the mood of the show since a lot of the stuff we cover is super dark. Obviously, we have to be careful when we do it, but I think it depends on who the joke is about.

Yeah, Jeffrey Epstein being the butt of the joke, that should be a thing that happens. Absolutely. But yeah, I guess it's the context of what the core of the joke actually is and who...

who you're punching down on i guess but still like i when i when i'm writing an intro for red thread i'm also going in with the mindset of like i'm imagining someone clicking on this episode for the first time they don't know anything about us it's just like popped up in their recommended feed or whatever if this is the first thing they hear and we're like joking about and laughing about like jeffrey epstein at the start of a completely unrelated episode i don't know i

I, I, it's a balancing act. All things are a balancing act online. Um, yeah, I wouldn't know. I'm not one to speak on any of that stuff. I literally laugh as I read tragedy and horror. So I've not, but that's why, that's why we bring them along. We, we want to hit all, we want to hit all angles of human psychopathy or whatever. It's cool. Yeah. That's, yeah, that's what, that's what you hear, Caleb. Yeah. I'm the, uh, I'm the unhinged, unhinged boy.

on the group. Okay, well, that's a good icebreaker for this episode to start off. Hello, if you're listening to it brand new, you've never listened to a Red Thread episode before, welcome. What are our roles, boys? Each of us. What role in the podcast do each of us fill? Interesting. Someone tell them. Yeah, yeah. From my perspective, I write the intros. Caleb would be the guy that laughs at

things unnecessary things and i am the beautiful and charismatic one yeah that's true you're the muscle you're the muscle yeah exactly the eye candy i like that dude i like that okay uh isaiah i think at the start of the series you were like the the guy that would uh how do i say this like go deep on like conspiracies and stuff you'd take the more uh illogical angle really push for that

Now you've kind of settled back into like a Charlie light position, I would say, where you like kind of more analysis and realistic. If I think I have to really actually watch what I say because I realize that there's people watching, right? If it was real life, if there's no cameras, I am going to whatever is the most fun to believe, whatever is the most imaginative and whatever has...

The least amount of impact on my day-to-day life is what I'm going to believe. For example, Nebuchadnezzar reincarnated as Saddam Hussein, 1700 BC, stargate, etc. Yeah, the tomb of Gilgamesh. That's the type of stuff I love. Lizard people.

Yeah, well, there we go. Who cares if it's on recording? Yeah, that's why you're here. This is the red thread. We need someone like that. We can't all be sane. Yeah, we can't all be normal and healthy adults. Well-adjusted. Yeah, we can't all be well-adjusted. We can't all be well-adjusted.

If there was going to be someone like that on the show, I'm glad it's you, Caleb. You're like the Willy Wonka of the YouTube business scape. So it would make sense for the Willy Wonka to be a bit irrational, maybe, let's say, or a bit unhinged. I would say, yeah, a bit whimsical, a bit over the top. Whimsical, whimsical. That's a good word for it. Whimsical. We love fun out here. So not to be a killjoy, but I realized I didn't hit start recording until 30 seconds ago. Okay.

That works because the intro could just be you guys talking about me while I'm not there, but I think we need to do another clap test. Okay. I did that already once as well. I just wanted to clap again. After one, three, two, one. Okay, now everyone gets to witness a clap test, so that's what it's like when you're not here. Yeah, that's what it's like when you're not here.

Were you recording audio or nothing? I was recording nothing at all. I'm sorry. Oh, no. I'm just being Jackson for the whole intro. How's that going to work? No, I think it's funny if it's like you and Jackson for the intro. It's just like a picture of me. Like...

What do you think, Isaiah? Yeah, Isaiah. It'd be really funny if you did... I'm not sure if the editor could do like a text-to-speech thing. A little text-to-speech bit. It'd be kind of funny. Yeah, maybe. But how's he going to know what Isaiah said? That's the fun part. You just make it up. Yeah, just guess. Based on our responses. In those silences, editor, just put whatever you want Isaiah to say, basically. Just guess. Yeah.

You can get someone else to voice act for you. I don't care. Whatever you want. Hello, I am Isaiah. I am the charismatic one. The beautiful one. I am from Appalachia. No, I'm from Appalachia.

That is everything I say on the podcast. You're right. Except I don't pronounce it that way. Get it right. Of course. That's why it was an inaccurate impersonation. Oh, it was the... I see. It was me doing the voice. Of course. Yes. Hello, I am Isaiah Windigoot. I would say that the part of the podcast that you do feel the best...

Isaiah is as an Australian hater. I feel like you actually... You know what? I will wear that badge with honor. I absolutely... Don't you get it messed up. If you even look Australian, don't talk to me. Don't come around me. If I bring up a single Australianism even accidentally, I know Isaiah is going to be there to pick up on that and shut it down quick. Yes, a million percent. Absolutely. Just words like rubbish, boot, describing the trunk of the car. Icy poles.

Yeah, that was insane. I see polls. That's when I decided you guys don't deserve rights. That's why you guys don't deserve to be in the Geneva Convention.

Yeah, we should be able to do whatever we want to Australia after that. That is inhumane. Y'all are on your own when World War III starts out in Oceania. China comes and invades. You'll be a roadblock. Caleb, there's two of us. We could just take this podcast. No, please. It's all good. It's ours now. Let's get another American on here to really even things out.

Even things out, yeah, that's the issue. There's not enough Americans here. That's what it is. Us two Appalachian boys aren't powerful enough to get rid of the evil of a single Australian. Yeah. To be more powerful. Two on one isn't fair, you need three on one to restrain the Australian. Alright, who wants to take the start of this?

Let me see. Oh yeah, wait, did I even ask you? You just did that. You're so distracted by your own clout. See, this is an Australian thing to do. Forget about the lady that passed away. No, no, I did the intro. I gave a pretty good intro and then I think we just started talking. You don't care when there's no dingoes involved, bud.

Well, we don't know there's no dingoes involved. Dingoes are pretty good at getting on top of hotel rooftops. True, there's some bitches. That would have been a wild ending to the story. Like, in the documentary, it ends like, little did anyone recognize the dingo population on the roof. It was extraordinarily high. Dingoes. Dingo, what a funny name. It is a funny name. See, imagine if we had wild dogs attacking us, and we're like, ah, that's a dingo right there. Like, what? What?

You say coyote. That's like... Coyote. That equally sounds... Coyote. No, coyote's... Coyote's a cool name, all right? Coyote's cool. Who do you think would win in a fight, a coyote or a dingo? I don't know. Aren't they like the same thing? Are they the same thing? I said, who do you think would win in a fight, a coyote or a dingo? How much does a dingo weigh? As much as it wants. I'm not going to argue with it.

10 to 15 kilograms. 10 to 15 kilograms? That's like 40 pounds. They're about the same size. I feel like they'd be even matched. They just look like slightly bright colored dogs. Yeah, well, like a coyote is very closely related to the wolf. The wolf. The North American wolf. And dingoes are like an offshoot from a lot longer time ago, obviously, because they're from a different... Yeah, actually, coyotes look like

They look like wolves mixed with foxes. They got bushy tails. Yeah, they're cute. Tangents aside, let's actually get to the... Yeah, Elisa Lam. Nothing to do with Australianism or Tasmanian tigers or anything. This is actually a sad story. You guys know about Elisa Lam, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Was there a documentary on this as well on Netflix? It was, yeah. It was big. Yeah, I do know what it is. Big case over the last 10 years, one of the biggest of the modern times. So, who wants to read the start of this? I think Isaiah, since you were missing in the intro, I think you need a little extra talk. I think I do need a little extra talk. I also think it's convenient how you're asking me to read the parts about people dying so you don't have to laugh through them. I think that's what that's about. Well,

There it is. Yep, found it. No retort, no reply. Yeah, no, no, no. That's not true, though. But go ahead and read. I'm excited to see how this goes.

You guys set me up for failure so hard. Oh my god. I forgot about it. I'm not going to do it anymore. I'm going to set you up for success. Hey, can you do your job? Can you read the document? And you're like, yeah, you set me up for failure. You're sabotaging me. That's funny. Cool. How would we best set you up for success? Go into each paragraph saying you're not going to laugh at this. If we held hands in a circle.

And we recited something. I'm not sure. Some kind of prayer or something like that. Well, I feel like any kind of spotlight on the issue, like if we hold hands and we just chant, you're not going to laugh at this. You're not going to laugh at this. This is going to make you laugh. Yeah, exactly. You just need to strip it from your mind. Okay. Yeah, it's gone. It's out. Black lightning.

Hey, Caleb, for the rest of the episode, don't laugh. You shouldn't laugh. Don't laugh. Amen. There you go. That is not how that works. You bastard. You bastard. All right. Go ahead, bud. Elisa Lam, also known by her Cantonese name, Lam Ho Yee, was born April 30th, 1991 in Vancouver.

The daughter of David and Yena Lam, who immigrated to Canada from Hong Kong in the late 20th century, Elisa grew up in Burnaby, a city just outside of Vancouver, where her family ran a family-owned restaurant. Okay, stop. How do you feel? We know you hate Australians and Australia. How do you feel about Canada and Canadians? I love them.

Their worst qualities are the aspects they share with Australians. So... What the fuck? So I'm catching fleck even in this hypothetical. Pick a country. Say a random country in the world, Jackson. Uh...

Madagascar. You know what the worst part about them is? They're an island like Australia. Damn. Bazinga. What about Kansas? The country of Kansas? Yeah. Their topography is pretty flat, just like you guessed it, Australia. Interesting. He's got an answer for everything. This guy's quick. He's fucking light and fast. He's witty.

He's witty with his racism. Any person in the world I hate is just because there are aspects of them tangentially related to Australia. Tangentially related to Australia, yeah. The French should have never invented the idea of nations. Then we wouldn't have this problem. Ah, yes, the idea of cities and groups of people, the French. Civilization founded by the French. The idea of referring to oneself as part of a nation and not

as a smaller piece of a whole and being a city was started by the French in the Renaissance. How you feel about Australia is how I feel about cities, honestly. Same. I hate cities. I hate cities in general. How do they even drink? Where do they get their water at? You know what I hate about cities? What? Some of them, there are cities in Australia. Oh, you are good. He's good at everything. He's good with his hatred.

This guy's fucking hateful, bro. He's bigoted as fuck. He's so hateful. Yeah. This guy's bigoted. Yeah, this guy engages in some safe racism on the podcast. Chooses the easiest target possible for his racism. Masterclass. Oh, anyway, now that the Australian's done talking, I can continue. Yeah, please.

Elisa was known as a bright, creative, and caring young woman who loved reading, fashion, and traveling. She had a particular passion for writing. Elisa enrolled at the University of British Columbia, but struggled to maintain her attendance due to personal challenges, particularly mental health issues. Her mental health was a major aspect of her life.

She had been diagnosed with bipolar disorder and depression and was taking medication to manage her condition, but was still dealing with negative thoughts frequently.

If I remember right, that information wasn't super widely known until the Netflix documentary where they did a lot of talking to the family and stuff like that and got a lot of this information. It wasn't a central part of the initial story and how that unfolded. But I think it was pretty quickly known to investigators and stuff. Yeah, investigators knew. I mean, public at large. Because Elisa Lam, at least from my familiarity, got...

Popular, like on YouTube, like early creepy videos, stuff around like... Yeah, that's where I first learned about it. Stuff like that. Yeah. I mean, there was obviously that video of her in the elevator that we'll get to eventually that really exploded because it was very, very creepy. And it's a... I swear I've heard chills before be like, number nine, Elisa Lam.

Elisa Lam seen in the security video is a chilling image. Like something like that, like blew it up. And there's not a lot of detail in naturally and stuff like that about like, you know, what her, what her state of mind was, stuff that could have led to it. No, because you're just seeing a single video. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, here's a creepy video clip anyway. Yeah. Yeah. You don't need any context surrounding that because your mind runs wild with imagination just when you see it. So yeah.

Most people wouldn't have gone out of their way to go investigate as to why the video occurred or anything. They would have just seen a weird video. To put in perspective, the Elisa Lam video uploaded 11 years ago, just the video, has 34 million views. Yeah. And then the BuzzFeed Unsolved episode about it has 29 million views. I love BuzzFeed Unsolved. Yeah, this is an enormous event. Yeah, BuzzFeed Unsolved goes hard.

But yeah, I don't think the mental health, at least not until recent years, the mental health aspect of the Elisa Lam case, like you said, I don't think it was widely known about. It was only until the investigations were made public and further series were created. And even then, I think most people probably wouldn't have gone and watched it or interacted with it. They would have just seen the creepy video and been like, this is creepy. Yeah, yeah.

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Thank you, sponsors. All right, back in. Who wants to take this next spot? Man, you slid that ad, Reuben. All right. Do you want to take Disappearance, Caleb, or would you like me to? Because people still might die in this description. Let me see. That is a really good way to put it. Control F die. I'll go ahead and I'll read this. All right. In January 2013, Eliza decided to take a solo trip to California as part of a West Coast tour of the United States.

She wanted to take a break from her studies as well as her life in Vancouver, so she traveled by herself to Los Angeles, where she planned to explore the city. She arrived in Los Angeles from San Diego via the Amtrak train on January 26th. Eliza was still young, only 21, but her family saw that she was determined to go on the trip and reluctantly agreed. Her family made her promise... Can we hold that? Because we got shit about this in the past. Is it Eliza or Elisa? I've been pronouncing it Elisa. Oh, did I say Eliza?

Yeah, I think so. Now I'm unsure if it's... You know, it would be an Australian to grammar correct you, Caleb. Isaiah, we got so much shit for a previous episode where we spent the entire episode mispronouncing a name, especially of a victim. Hey, I can't even log into the channel, so I don't see the comments or anything like that. So, hey, as long as they're attacking the Australian, cool by me. It's probably like Italian or some shit, right?

Let me check. Was I saying Eliza? Yeah, you're saying Eliza. It's probably Eliza. I think it's Elisa, right? Yeah, I think it's Elisa. I've always heard of Elisa, but yeah. I just say shit wrong. I mean, that's just how I am.

Don't listen to him, man. He's Australian. I mean, I don't know. I've only read it. I've never said it. I suffer from that a lot. I was homeschooled, so I never had an orator to articulate words and pronounce them properly. Look at this Australian making fun of the homeschooled kid. Come on, man! You're pushing down! Stop! You bastard! You chose to be homeschooled! I didn't choose that! What?

You said, I want to stay home. I want to be homeschooled. I was like, I want friends. But yeah, Elisa. Okay, cool, cool, cool, cool. So anyways, you want me to reread it? All of it?

Yeah, I probably just reread it. In January 2013, Elisa decided to take a solo trip to California as part of a West Coast tour of the United States. She wanted to take a break from her studies as well as her life in Vancouver, so she traveled by herself to Los Angeles, where she planned to explore the city. She arrived in Los Angeles from San Diego via the Amtrak train on January 26th, and Elisa was still young, only 21 years old, but her family saw that she was determined to go on the trip and reluctantly agreed to let her go.

Her family made her promise to check in with them every single day and give regular updates on her travels. So when the 31st rolled around and her parents didn't hear from her, they were immediately concerned. It was this day that Elisa was supposed to go check out the Cecil Hotel. The Cecil Hotel itself has a strange history riddled with violence, strange incidents, suicides, and more. Located near Skid Row, there have been at least 16 documented deaths at the hotel, among other strange occurrences and infamous individuals that have stayed there, like the Night Stalker.

You guys want to interject on who the Night Stalker is specifically for people?

You might not know. Richard Ramirez. He was a prolific serial killer in LA. I think during the 80s, right? Yeah, son of a bitch. I believe so, yeah. He was the guy who was really the first to popularize serial killer culture. One of the first. Him and Ted Bundy. People began to obsess over him. A bunch of girls thought he was really hot and stuff like that. I think he had...

Women show up at his trial and write to him in prison because they were obsessed with him. He was the one who wrote Helter Skelter on stuff, right? And said that he was possessed. I thought that was Charles Manson. Yeah, that was Charles Manson, isn't it? Well, Charles Manson was the one who started it. I think he also, if I remember right. Because he wrote...

He was like satanic, Richard Ramirez. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He would write the words on his arms and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. The picture of him with a pentagram. He wrote the pentagram on his hand and held it up in court. Yeah, the famous image and stuff like that. Yeah.

Yeah, I don't know much about Richard. Yeah, Night Stalker, big famous serial killer, he stayed at the Cecil Hotel. So the Cecil Hotel has a whole history of weird stuff going down. Okay. It is also...

A hotbed of paranormal activity, as you would expect. There we go. Concerned about the lack of communication from their daughter, Elisa's parents reached out to the Los Angeles Police Department to report Elisa as missing, and they told, and they themselves also immediately booked flights to Los Angeles. The LAPD officers arrived at the hotel immediately to conduct a full search and investigation, with their top priority being to find Elisa. There was a sense of urgency on the part of the LAPD with this case, uh,

With this case, as Elisa was a visitor to the city and had no close connections to Los Angeles, making time of the essence if they were going to find any trace of her. They began to search in her hotel room, but they found nothing to the public's knowledge. And but nothing to the public's knowledge of the order. OK, I'll reread that sentence. They began to search in her hotel room, but nothing to the public's knowledge out of the ordinary was discovered there.

On top of that, the police interviewed hotel staff and reviewed available surveillance footage. The hotel staff confirmed that they had seen Elisa on January 31st and witnesses said that she was alone.

Yeah, so the day that she went missing, right, was the day that she was meant to check out of the hotel. She didn't check out, but it was the day she was meant to check out. So there was a bit of confusion there as to like, you know, is she still around the hotel? Was that like the last place she would have been seen? Or did she check out and go somewhere else? Obviously, like she had no connections in the city or anything. So this would have been a very tricky investigation because you're shooting in the wind at that point, right? There's no kind of...

anyone to interview about. You just have to retrace her last steps. You know where to assume she might go or run to or whatever. Yeah, very tricky. The police weren't able to check every single room due to legal restrictions, only being able to enter another occupied room if they had probable cause. Regardless of the shared areas and hallways that they were able to investigate, there was no evidence of foul play.

Unable to find any clues as to where Elisa... Elisa, fuck. Unable to find any clues as to where Elisa was, they utilized a canine unit to attempt to pick up her scent, but were unsuccessful.

After days passed with no signs of Elisa, her parents grew increasingly more concerned and frightened. The police decided that they needed more attention on the case if they were going to uncover more information. They organized flyers to be posted and given out around the neighborhood in attempts to find someone who may have seen Elisa before she went missing. This snowballed, gaining the attention of the media and concerned public.

Okay, so that's the core investigation or the disappearance, like the initial days of the disappearance. And then we come to the big thing, which really propelled it into the spotlight as Isaiah

was talking about before. Isaiah, would you like to take this one? Yes, I'll take it. So this is the part that everyone remembers the case. I actually didn't... It's sad, really, but I didn't know her name forever. I remember seeing this on YouTube years ago. And later I was like, oh, Lisa Land was set. Then I look it up, it's like, oh, yeah, the scary elevator video.

Yeah, that's like all it was known as. I should also mention while we were talking about the Cecil Hotel, it is the setting for season five of American Horror Story, if I remember right. It's very prolific in the haunted hotel business. It's well known. Cream of the crop, so to speak. Why won't they fucking tear it down? It's clearly a bad luck play on the book.

Yeah, but now it's to the point where it's transcended being bad. If I was just staying at a hotel in LA, I would 100% stay at the Cecil Hotel because there's people like me that are weird. Because it has that reputation and you want to experience it. Because you're a freak. Because I'm weird. Because I'm strange and off-putting. You're weird like P. Diddy. You got that freak shit. Yeah. Oh. Oh.

Peter, he's a rough spot. Yeah, he's not doing well. Yeah. He ain't doing great. His freak off supplies. Did you, did you, yeah, did you see that, that they seized like hundreds of bottles of baby oil? Yeah. All the baby oil in the world. Yeah. Incredible. All the baby oil. That's really cool. His mugshot looks like a demon. It looks like.

The devil. He's a freaky person. Anyways, so. After that. Now we come to the piece of evidence that would become one of the eeriest pieces of video footage to be released of a missing person. The so-called elevator footage. During the investigation, the police obtained security camera footage showing Elisa's movements around the hotel on the day she was last seen.

On February 13th, they decided to release this to the public. If you're watching this episode of Red Thread, you're at least likely tuned into true crime and the chances are good that you've already seen this video, but for those who need an audio description, the video itself is shot from within the Cecil Hotel elevator and it depicts Elisa displaying very strange behavior. She has an anxious and scared appearance and as she stands hidden in the elevator, she presses all of the buttons.

Not just that, she steps in and out of the elevator repeatedly and has the appearance of someone who it would be fair to assume was trying to hide from someone else. She also steps out of the elevator for an extended duration of the video and makes very odd hand movements, almost as if it were sign language or erratic dancing.

The footage ends with her leaving the elevator after the doors initially don't close and, while she is out of the elevator, the doors open and close repeatedly, insinuating that she was on the exterior, pressing the elevator buttons.

This, ultimately, would be the last time Elisa Lam was seen or documented alive. Yeah, let's watch the video right now. We're going to put it up on screen. We'll probably, because it's a four minute long video, we'll set the playback speed to two times. The elevator doors don't close. I'm assuming because she pressed all the buttons, it probably glitched it out. The way she's hiding is so scary. So weird. She peers out.

I remember all the theories about this and stuff being like, oh, well, she was possessed or, oh, there was a killer in the hotel and stuff like that. Like, um...

Which obviously is a little exploitive and not true, but if you have no other information about this, it does look like something's following her. Yeah, to her, it definitely seems like she thinks something is following her. So she sits back in the elevator at this point, starts pressing all the buttons again. I don't know how elevators work. What's stopping it from closing? I'm guessing she's pressing a button that is stopping it from closing?

Yeah, I'm not sure how they work either. It's an old elevator. She might have just messed it up by hitting all those buttons. What are these hand movements out here? It looks like she's grabbing her hands and moving her fingers and stuff like that. She's very anxious. Very erratic. And again, so on the outside... With context, this is very sad. Yeah. She's on the outside of the elevator now. The elevator doors still aren't closing.

um and now they're closing but then they keep opening as well from what i remember yeah so they just keep opening and closing on the same floor very strange i guess the only thing that would make sense there is she's on the outside keeping it there basically by clicking the buttons i would assume yeah i i don't think i'll ever be able to find this again but i swear there was some video that was like

It was like maybe because the technology in the elevator is messing up. Slender Man could be here at play. Like they tied it into Slender Man. Someone know Joe thought that.

yeah it was it was either i feel like it was a youtube video it might have been like someone at school because i remember we would talk about stuff like that like the elisa lamb video um i swear i remember like perhaps it's slender man chasing her into the elevator like i mean it would it would make sense that that was a theory at the time right because slender man was so oh yeah prime prime time yeah yeah

But I mean, you could apply that to any kind of supernatural entity, especially at the Cecil Hotel. You could say there was some kind of paranormal entity stalking her. Maybe she was being followed by a skibbity toilet. That's what it would be now. Or Freddy Fazbear was hunting her down. Oh my God. He comes spreading down the hallway. Something dumb like that in the modern era. But it is a very eerie video.

to see, especially just the way she acts. She definitely has the appearance of someone who's incredibly anxious and she believes someone is out in the hallway. And she keeps peering out to see if they're still there or whatever she sees is still there. And just the way she stands in the elevator itself, like she stands with her back to the wall on the opposite side of the door. Like she's in hiding mode, right? And then when she gets out, those hand movements to me are so...

so strange and erratic and I can't really put my finger on what that would be trying to accomplish like if it was just like someone who's going through an anxious or a panic attack or something like that and they were trying to calm themselves down even that doesn't make sense to me those hand movements it seemed like she was like it's so weird rotating her wrists and stuff and like yeah dancing almost very strange

Also, her footsteps and her movement when she steps out of the elevator, she makes these great steps forward. She's kind of like square dancing or lion dancing and pacing herself very methodically. It's very, very, very strange footage.

And I can see why it like latched on in the, you know, public zeitgeist as much as it did because it is immediately eerie. It's not helped by, you know, the old school elevator cameras as well. This looks like it would be out of like a found footage film almost. So the aesthetic was definitely primed for that as well. Yeah.

So this very concerning and odd footage spread worldwide quickly. It was posted on a Chinese video site called Youku, where in just 10 days it gathered 3 million views. Currently, it sits at 34 million views on YouTube. After the footage was released, and with no concrete tips leading to her whereabouts, the LAPD expanded their search. They began to interview guests and more staff at the hotel, as well as investigating nearby areas of downtown Los Angeles.

They looked into the possibility of foul play or that Elisa had left the hotel of her own volition. However, no leads indicated that she had left the hotel. No significant new information emerged despite these efforts, leaving the case open but unresolved for several weeks. I mean, it is interesting. Just like, everyone's like, I mean, she was here. She didn't walk out the front door. No one knows. Yeah, yeah. Which is why it's...

I mean, it makes sense that she was found where she was because it's the only explanation for no one seeing her leave the building. So just a question on my part about the police's choice to release the footage. Why would they release this footage? It doesn't really pertain to helping the investigation, right? No one can really identify and send in tips based on this video. It's just a video of her like, you know,

uh anxiously well i mean if you saw someone acting erratic around that time frame if you saw someone acting like this i guess yeah acting like and it's also her the outfit she was wearing when she disappeared yeah yeah it's also last known behavior so it could potentially lead to something yeah i i could get like releasing footage a picture of her in her last known outfit and stuff like that i yeah i just don't understand why the full video needed to be released

Yeah, it's haunting though. The hand movements especially, I'm just thinking about them. That's just so odd. I mean, I guess we're going to get to... I really want to start thinking about what happened to her, what exactly was going on. But obviously, we'll get to that. Isaiah, I think actually...

The reason why they released the footage, now that I'm thinking about it more, is because it's so sensational. It would have had that effect of being widely shared because it was so eerie. So it was probably like an information gathering tactic in that sense as well. It's something that a lot of people are going to hear about, which makes sense if you want any kind of tips to come in about seeing her elsewhere. I guess that would have been the strategy and rationale for releasing it.

Yeah, I think anything like that, as long as there's not a reason to keep it locked up, typically they'll try to share it, you know.

with the public if they think it could help. My perspective on it though is like there needs to be some kind of reason to share it, like something that they would reasonably be able to gain from it. Like I'm imagining if my last known footage was something embarrassing that I wouldn't want publicly shared, like me going through like a mental breakdown or something like that. If it wasn't directly pertaining to like the conclusion of them finding me, then I probably wouldn't want it shared personally.

But if there's information in there that people can send tips on or whatever, then yeah, it would make sense to release the footage. So two weeks after Elisa disappeared on the 19th of February, 2013, hotel guests began to complain to management about the water at the hotel. This part is like insane. Very, very gross. They were dealing with low water pressure and some claimed that the water was turning black and didn't taste quite right.

This prompted the hotel to send Santiago Lopez, one of the maintenance workers, to check on the issue and see if there was any maintenance work that needed to be done. The hotel had four 1,000-gallon tanks that were located on the roof providing water to the hotel, including the guest rooms, kitchen, and coffee bar.

When Lopez arrived on the roof and made his way to the water tanks, he would go on to open the hatch on one of the tanks to investigate whether or not there was any mechanical issues or perhaps a dead rat clogging the equipment. However, when he peered inside, he saw only the deceased body of Elisa Lamb lying face up in the water.

That is so horrible. Yeah. People were drinking the water with her decomposing body. Over the span of weeks. That's so fucked up. If I stayed at that hotel during that time period, I think my life would be forever changed at that point. I would never feel clean. How did somebody get sick? I don't know. Can you drink decomposing water without getting sick? I don't think so.

Well, I mean, you could. It's all about what's in it or if your body doesn't catch it. It's not a healthy habit, but... Okay, well, the document says here, some claim that the water was turning black and didn't taste quite right. Well, first of all, if your water's turning black, it's obviously not going to taste quite right. So if you're looking at your water and you see it's black... Yeah, the water turns black and they're drinking it like, I don't know. Why does this look like soda? You better drink it. That's funny. Man, that's rough.

I mean, disgusting. Absolutely fucking rancid. I would never feel clean. Yeah, I can't imagine that.

I would need extensive therapy, I think, to be able to deal with that. It's one of those things where if it happened to me, I think I would need to be able to have the mind frame to compartmentalize that out of my existence, basically. Lock it away, try to forget about it forever. It's in a black box in my brain. Think of how many times you've drank. Oh, don't do that to me. Most of the water I've drank comes from a well, right? What's down there?

how many corpses are down? Like just how much decomposed... Just don't think about it. Just don't think about it. It's crazy. It really is wild though how much just matter, of decomposed matter that we probably consumed and just pieces of animals and people probably. I mean, isn't that...

Isn't that, I mean, in this case, I think it's different because, I mean, it was a low amount of water to probably decomposing body ratio, right? Where it wasn't able to dilute as much as a well, like groundwater would be or whatever. But isn't that what filters are for as well? Like filters, obviously, on taps and stuff are meant to stop the bad stuff from getting through. But filters are mostly for particulates though, not bacteria or pathogens. True.

You have to actually sanitize the water. Well, how do you sanitize the water on your end with the groundwater? UV light. Well, with groundwater, you don't have to sanitize it. Generally, that's why you get your well tested. Uh, but if your water is a lot, a lot of time, a lot of water has E. Coli, um, from the candy company, we test our well, uh, on a very regular basis for E. Coli and, uh, listeria. And we have like a UV system and everything just in our wells clean, but some wells are not clean. Um,

But you have to just do tests and be careful because there is, I mean, those bacteria are a part of the ecosystem just in general and they make people very sick. I just realized, so you guys are probably pretty rural, right? That's why you use wells. What do you mean by that? I don't understand where I get my water from. Where does water come from? Water treatment plant. Yeah, I know I pay a company for my water bill, but where does that actually come from? Yeah, the giant reservoir.

Okay. They make it up. They invent it and it just appears. It's a gigantic reservoir that then they take the sewage, they take the septic water and they treat it. And then they let off the dirtiest parts and then the cleanest parts they put back into the reservoir. Okay. And so they do what you said with UV treatment or whatever and that's how they make it clean? I mean, there's a lot...

There's a lot of UV chemical treatment, filter treatment, stuff like that. It passes through so many different layers to turn sewage into drinking water, right? Chemicals especially.

It's a guy at the treatment plant who just picks it up in his mouth and swings it around a bit and then spits out the clean parts. Oh my God. Into a bucket. Oh, that one went through me. Oh, I hated that. It's a little dark, but it's delicious. That explains why the water bill is so expensive. It's got a little color to it. He's a sewage water sommelier or whatever they're called. Sommelier. It's got fucking, got hints of dirt in it.

But yeah, the UV is for taps and stuff. The UV is for the end point of the water. I can't imagine that they're using UV for large level water treatment. It's just like an extra thing to help make a less... to not facilitate an environment for pathogens, basically. So much can go wrong with water. Isn't there a city over in America where the entire pipes are leading to the flint, dirty water or whatever? Yeah.

So much can go wrong with water. It's scary. That's why you need to find a local river stream or something with running water so that you've got a plan B. If the water man stops delivering your water, find a way to get water. And one of those life straws so you can sip it and not get dysentery. How do those work? They just have a bunch of filters in them? I think so. I'm not really sure how they work. Magic. Wizard shit.

Alchemy, bro. Invented by Merlin. Yeah. The round table. Fucking some alchemy stuff or something. Isaiah, you can continue. So, yeah, back to the decomposing body. The tank had to be completely drained of water to allow for the side to be cut open to retrieve her body. When Elisa was found, she was naked with her clothing, similar to what she was wearing in surveillance footage, floating beside her, covered in what appeared to be sand.

She also had her watch and her room key on her person. Her body was a greenish hue showing signs of moderate decomposition and bloating. She had marbling on her abdomen and her skin was beginning to separate. There's no evidence of sexual assault or physical trauma to the body self-inflicted or afflicted upon her.

Yeah, so the point of that is she had obviously been in the water tank for multiple weeks at this point. I mean, yeah, she'd been in there so long her body was, like, gone, basically. Yeah. And she was dissolving into the water. The most rational assumption is she would have been in that water tank on the night of the elevator footage of her disappearance. So she had been in there for a while. Also, bodies do not do well in water. It, like, quickly amps up the decomposition process and people tend to bloat and, like, dissolve pretty quickly. Yeah.

Investigators combed through the hotel security footage once again and questioned hotel staff about rooftop access following the discovery of her body as the question naturally became, how did Elisa Lam end up on the roof of the hotel, let alone deceased in a water tank? Investigators examined whether Elisa could have accessed the rooftop via the fire escape.

bypassing the locked door and alarms that restricted entry to the roof. It was ultimately determined that this was possible, though it was not confirmed to have happened, insinuating that there was no concrete evidence proving that it was the case. The woman would have to imagine that would be the only way she would be able to find her way to the roof, whether on her own accord or through the avenue of being taken there by someone else. I mean, how is she going to get up there? How do they cover the road?

Yeah, like she has to get to the roof somehow. Yeah. The toxicology report showed signs of prescription medication in her body, but consistent with what she regularly took. She had also taken ibuprofen and Sinitab before her death, a medicine used to relieve the symptoms of colds and flus, as well as nasal and sinus congestion.

No recreational drugs were found in her system and very minimal traces of alcohol were also found. It was noted in the report, however, that it appeared Elisa had discontinued some of her prescription medications that she had been previously taking. And that's when we get into the mental health side of it. So, Caleb, if you'd like to take this. Sure.

We mentioned previously that Elisa struggled with her mental health and she had been diagnosed with bipolar disorder and depression and was prescribed multiple medications to assist in managing these diagnoses. Wilburchen, an antidepressant, lamotrigine, lamotrigine, lamotrigine, what, how do you say that? Lamotrigine, lamotrigine.

I'll just, I'll do a wellbutrin and antidepressant and anti-seizure and epilepsy drug. She was also, which could also be used as a mood stable stabilizer. Uh, she was also on an antipsychotic medication used for bipolar disorder and dexedrine span stool, which is used for hyperactivity and narcolepsy along with then the vaccine, another antidepressant. So she's on a whole cocktail. Yeah. A lot of stuff. Um, and

And when her family were asked about Eliza, when her family was asked about Elisa's struggles, they reported that Elisa had no history of suicidal attempts or ideations. But realistically, it's entirely possible that Elisa wouldn't have told people close to her about that aspect of her life. She did allegedly have a minor history of disappearing for brief periods of time before returning to her family and friends.

As the toxicology report conducted after the discovery of her body concluded, it is also likely that Elisa may not have been taking her medications properly. The toxicology report showed that she had most likely stopped taking certain medications, showing that Elisa was not consistent with her prescribed doses. There are also medical reports that urge caution when prescribing antidepressants to those with the bipolar disorder as it can possibly lead to manic side effects.

It's reported that Elisa did actually have a prior history of hallucinations, which would leave her bedridden and occasionally hospitalized, which also aligns with the behavior shown in the elevator footage before her disappearance. Yeah. So it's like, it seems like a, just a, some kind of horrible. I mean, when you need that many different, uh, medication to manage your conditions, uh, if you, if you deviate from, you know, the doctor's plan or whatever, um,

after taking that amount of medication, I'm sure that there's got to be like side effects that crop up naturally. Well, I think the level of like drug interactions going on is insane. Like this side effect changes, that side effect changes, this side effect. If you pull one pin out, you know, who knows what could happen. Yeah.

Anything could happen. When Elisa first got to the Cecil Hotel, she was in a shared boarding style environment, but the front desk was receiving complaints from her shared roommates about her strange behavior, leading to the hotel to move her into a solo room. Elisa shared a lot of her daily struggles and frustrations on her Tumblr blog, which is still archived today. Interesting. Nouvelle Nouveau. Nouvelle Nouveau.

Which means newly arrived or developed. That's the name of her Tumblr blog. It's a good name, to be honest. French. When you open her blog, you're greeted with the phrase, you're always haunted by the idea you're wasting your life by Chuck Palahniuk, an American novelist known for the book Fight Club. And yes, that is the Fight Club that would obviously become the movie. Of course, yeah. Tyler Durden and all that stuff. Brad Pitt. Bradley Pitt. Taking down the banking. Bradley Hole. You know,

Banking departments or whatever the fuck it is. The buildings at the end. Big twist in that movie. Yeah, spoiler alert. What the fuck? What the fuck, dude? I haven't seen it. I was just about to watch it for the first time today. I'm sure there was going to be comments like that. Exactly.

She began the blog in 2011, updating it for two years until she passed away. It's filled with art, fashion, quotes, and reflections on her life. Here are some of her writings and posts to better show Elisa's unfortunate mind frame and inner thoughts. November 4th, 2011, she wrote, "'Seriously, life, do you think I am built of steel? "'I am just human, after all. "'I am just flesh. "'My skin can only hold so much together.'" On November 6th, 2011, she said, "'Right now, I am deliriously happy.'"

My emotions, you are uncontrollable. On October 22nd, 2012, she said, a few good days followed by a week of sleeping. That is the pattern. That is the cycle. And that will repeat again and again. Maybe there will be a change every once in a while, but sheer willpower. No, I don't think it. I have it in me anymore to put the effort in once knocked down.

November 3rd, 2011, she said, the fact is I am a good person. I have always been a good friend. I have always been a good sister. And in return, I have not been shown respect. I do not deserve this. No one deserves this. Very sad. The reason these are included is to show the, obviously the mind frame and the mental health struggles that Elisa Lam...

was going through at the time. I mean, I think anyone with depression or depressive episodes can kind of relate to these kinds of thoughts and such. It's a very, very difficult thing to handle. Very sad. It's also always sad when I see stuff that's like so...

relatable like normal. I'm looking at her Tumblr blog pictures now and there's all these Harry Potter memes and stuff like that. And it's like, yeah, this is just like any girl. This was a person. Just a regular ass person. Yeah. And it is sad that she's so off. I mean, it is so unique. You can't really blame people. But...

It's so sad that her life is reduced to a creepy elevator video, you know? Yeah. It's a massive. And beyond that, uh, like with a lot of cases, right. With a lot of these kinds of, uh,

What would you call them? Red thread topics, I guess. It's very easy to forget about the person themselves at the end of the day when you're talking about a case with different multifaceted interesting elements like the elevator video and other creepy elements. But at the end of the day, like...

there was a person here, there was a very real person here who had her own interests, her own wishes, her own desires from life and it's very easy to just lose sight of that and go down conspiracy rabbit holes that kind of

besmirched the name of her and and kind of ignored the kind of challenges that she was going through at the end of the day and i think it's important to remember that yeah it's because this is very clearly just like a struggle like we can see the struggle there is there's no it's not a ghost it's not a fucking spirit it's not anything nonsensical like that like this is just someone who this is extremely unfortunate the way that it has been turned um yeah uh

Yeah. I mean, I can't imagine. Someone going through a human condition, very real human condition that I'm sure, again, a lot of people can relate to and to see that kind of twisted into, especially what we're going to talk about later on, like these wild conspiracy theories and stuff like that. It feels like you're forgetting the most logical and most human element of this at the end of the day. Yeah. Somebody just needed help and just couldn't get it. Yeah. Like literally, there's just no...

No proper outcome. It sucks. After several months, the Los Angeles County Coroner released the autopsy report and the official cause of death was ruled as an accidental drowning. As previously explored, the report noted that there were no signs of physical trauma, sexual assault, or foul play.

Elisa Lam's parents, David and Yena Lam, were devastated by her death and have largely stayed out of the public eye since the tragedy. They did not publicly offer detailed statements regarding their personal beliefs about the circumstances surrounding her death. In September of 2013, they filed a wrongful death lawsuit against the Cecil Hotel. In the lawsuit, they claimed that the hotel was negligent in ensuring Elisa's safety. In the lawsuit, they claimed that the hotel was negligent in ensuring Elisa's safety.

particularly in allowing her access to the water tank area on the rooftop. However, the lawsuit was eventually dismissed in 2015 as the court ruled that the hotel was not responsible for the circumstances that led to Elisa's death. They've remained private following the dismissal of the lawsuit. So that's sad. Like they couldn't even get like a, I mean, yeah, I guess I don't even know who's, I don't really know how I would even feel about that. I guess it's not really,

I mean, I completely understand the parents, but I also don't think that the hotel was probably responsible at the end of the day for this. If the police department or whatever concluded that the safety system was working as intended. That's right. I do wonder, though, why it was set up in such a way that anyone could walk onto the roof and get access to the water.

tanks you know yeah i mean the water tanks probably should have been locked up better right not without even setting off an alarm or anything right because what likely happened forever there was like foul play theories but what likely happened is you know she was paranoid and she maybe went up there to hide or to escape or just i don't know maybe felt like she needed to get in there so how was one girl able to get access to the roof and then get inside of a water tank you know

Feels like that should have been more. I can see the argument for negligence in that case, but that's such a... I mean, throw a lock on the water tank. Not even for a scenario like this, but anyone has access to the water for the whole facility, that seems kind of like an oversight. There should be a lock on it. I do agree with that. Yeah, I'm not sure what the laws for hospitality are, but for specifically to bring it back to food production, we will be fined if our water is not locked up because it can be poisoned. So it's like...

It makes no sense if there are paying customers drinking your water that it should be accessible by anyone who can just go up on the roof. That doesn't make any sense. Yeah, I mean, so they probably were fined for breaking, I don't know, hotel safety rules and regulations or whatever. But in the context of a wrongful death lawsuit, that's probably a different proof or whatever. Yeah, that's definitely a different...

totally different set of rules. Yeah, because it really doesn't make sense. I mean, you could poison, you could put a tablespoon of ricin in that, not saying to do this, obviously, but, and kill everybody in the whole building. I mean, you literally could just do that. That's crazy, if that's a thing. Yeah. Yeah, there is some level of negligence there, for sure. For sure. So...

Despite the official ruling of accidental death, many questions about Elise's final moments remain unanswered, particularly how she accessed the water tank and why she was behaving so erratically in the elevator footage. Given the sensational aspects of this case, this fueled widespread speculation and numerous conspiracy theories. And here we go, guys. Here we fucking go. I'll take this first one. I'll take the paranormal or supernatural influence. Internet moment.

And then you guys can take the other ones. It'd be really funny if, because I talked about Elisa Lam with the conspiracy iceberg, if you listed me as one of these, they'd be like, clearly all these people are heartless monsters who profit off of fools. Wait, what's the conclusion that you came to in yours? Oh, I just said that in the Netflix documentary it came out that she had a lot of mental health issues that led to the event, yeah. It seems pretty logical, right?

it. Because I swear, it probably was out there if you were just a better analysis. But I do not remember a single person online talking about the mental health until the Netflix talk. I mean, I think people again, I think people just fade, like their interest faded after the video came out and her body was discovered eventually. They're just like, okay, I'm done with this. There's nothing super creepy happening here. Whereas a very few amount of people probably, you know,

Attach themselves to it in a more conspiratorial element and cap up with it. Yeah. Yeah So most people yeah probably wouldn't have known about the mental health issues. Um

Okay, so first up, the first theory is obviously it's the Cecil Hotel, right? So we've got the paranormal or supernatural influence. The Cecil Hotel is a storied location plagued with the dark, violent past, and many believe that the hotel itself is haunted. Many suicides and murders have occurred at the hotel, and it has been held as residence by famous serial killers. During the elevator footage, Elisa... Jesus, I almost did Elisa. Elisa... Wait, no, it is Elisa. Elisa. Elisa. Elisa.

During the elevator footage, Elisa constantly looks out of the elevator and almost appears to be talking to someone that isn't there. An unseen presence. Could Elisa have been possessed or influenced by a malevolent spirit?

While we could go over all of the hauntings and eerie stories stemming from the Cecil Hotel, let's briefly go over some of the more notable examples so as to give you an idea on just how haunted of a location the hotel is, allegedly. So, we have suicides and unexplained deaths. Since its opening in 1924, the Cecil Hotel has been the site of numerous suicides, with many guests jumping to their deaths from the upper floors. Some paranormal investigators have claimed to have seen apparitions of these individuals roaming the hallways or reliving their final moments.

Yeah. Has there been many stories about ghosts? Like you've seen a ghost that just jumped out of a building. Like, I feel like that would be pretty memorable. That is a funny image. You just see someone like fly by the window really quick. What the fuck? Yeah. Or just like you, like you walk out of the hotel room and you see a ghost run down the hallway and just launch itself out a window. That would be a, that would be a wild image. Yeah.

That is pretty funny. That would turn me into a believer. I'd be like, alright. Fuck, I'm in, bud. Call me Zach. If I was a ghost, I'd be doing shit like that. Kind of harmless pranks. Fucking around. Instead of latching onto people in a demonic way, I'd just run through and jump through a window or something. Getting silly with it. Give them finger guns as I jump out. Why do they haunt? What is the lore for that? Why are they such assholes?

Depends on your belief around it. Yeah, isn't the idea that they're tethered to reality through negative energy? That is one theory. Another one is that they don't realize people that die in tragic means aren't able to pass in the afterlife, so they're stuck in those final moments, even if they don't realize it. Sometimes it's they're tied to a location and they can't escape. I mean, it just depends on what your theory is.

It's not a confirmed science at this point in time. Maybe one day. Yet.

Elizabeth Short, the Black Dahlia. While not directly tied to the hotel, Elizabeth Short, the infamous Black Dahlia, was reportedly seen at the Cecil Hotel's bar shortly before her gruesome murder in 1947. Some believe her spirit still haunts the hotel. The Black Dahlia is one of the saddest stories ever. It's so, so tragic. Like, just everyone, like, making fun of her, basically, forever. It's so sad.

Well, I mean, they don't make fun of her now, but at the time, yeah. At the time, yeah, they were like, because she was found naked and ripped in half. So the joke was like, oh, well, looks like she was a bit promiscuous. Looks like she slept around with the wrong crowd. And like, it was the 40s. Yeah, guys would call into the police and joke like, oh, I killed her. And there was like 300 people that claim they killed her to be funny. Like, it's very sad. Yeah.

That's crazy.

had gotten a big role and they wanted to do an interview about her. So they asked the parents everything like, oh, where'd she go to school? Where's she from? What she's like? And after they got everything they wanted, the journalist goes, actually, this isn't for a role. Your daughter was murdered and hung up. It's just like I just published all the information the parents gave about their daughter. They just found out was dead. Yeah, it's so sad.

Hey, so many sociopaths just exist among us. I just, yeah, even like given...

you know uh it was the time period or whatever it's it's like how how could that time period have existed where people think of people like that well i mean even even the name the black dahlia there was uh there was some book or movie called like the blue dahlia which was about like um a lady of the night i believe uh so it's like even the name is like promiscuous you know ridiculous

Then we have Richard Ramirez, who we talked about in the Night Stalker. So during the 1980s, serial killer Richard Ramirez stayed at the Cecil while committing his murders. His presence has fueled claims of demonic or dark energy at the hotel, with reports of shadowy figures and malevolent spirits linked to his stay.

And then finally, the last example I have is the ghost of Goldie Osgood. In 1964, Pigeon Goldie Osgood, a retired telephone operator, was murdered in her room at the Cecil. Her case remains unsolved and her spirit is also said to haunt the hotel. Some guests report cold spots in the area where she was killed.

It's pretty crazy how much history this hotel has. I get that it's been around for a long time, but that is a very haunted location if there ever were one, right? That's still in operation. It's a good candidate for it, for sure. Yeah.

If you want more information on the supernatural elements of this, I highly recommend checking out what the preeminent expert on the subject, Zach Baggins, has to say. He's so fucking good. I love Zach Baggins. Biggest Zach Baggins fan. He conducted an investigation in 2021 on the Cecil Hotel in an episode of Ghost Adventures, which, as we all know, is Emmy-worthy TV right there. One of the best television series ever created. Zach Baggins is a visionary.

Go check that out if you want more information on the supernatural elements. There's another paranormal aspect that some people have brought up as a potential theory, and that is the Korean elevator game theory. The elevator game is a Korean urban legend that pertains to a ritual that, if conducted correctly, will allow you to enter into a different dimension. Here are the steps if you want to try it at home.

Number one, go into the building you have chosen. Remember, it needs to be at least 10 stories tall with an elevator that reaches all 10 floors consecutively. It is highly recommended that you choose a building that is haunted, obviously. Step two, press the up button to bring the elevator to you. Avoid pressing a down button. So you want to walk into the lobby and press the up button.

Step three, before getting on, make sure no one else is in the elevator with you. This is very important. You don't want people jumping dimensions with you. Something may go wrong. If someone is already on it, perhaps coming up from the basement levels, don't get on, step back and wait for the next one. That's fun. Step four, have you guys heard of the elevator? I actually haven't heard of this before. This is fun. I like this.

Step four, the same goes for anyone in the lobby. Do not get on with anyone, even a stranger. This is why the ritual is frequently done at night when it's quieter and thus you have more unfettered access to the elevators without the likelihood of any intruders. Step five, once you get on, press the button to go up to the fourth floor. Step six, do not get off on the fourth floor, say on the elevator. Press the button to go down to the second floor.

Step 7. Do not get off on the second floor. Stay on the elevator. Press the button to go up to the sixth floor. Step 8. Do not get off on the sixth floor. Stay on the elevator. Press the button to go down to the second floor again. Step 9. Do not get off on the second floor. Stay on the elevator. Press the button to go up to the tenth floor. And at this point, some claim you may encounter a mysterious woman who enters the elevator. The legend warns that you should not speak or look at her. She is not human. Step 10. Do not get off on the tenth floor.

Step 12. Uh,

If, however, the elevator ignores you and rises to the 10th floor, the elevator game ritual has succeeded and you have now entered into a different dimension. Congratulations! It's unknown exactly where this ritual came from outside of it being a modern supernatural ritual that likely began circulating in online forums

and message boards in South Korea. It generally fits with the genre of ritual games that are common in urban legends and creepypasta culture, such as, you know, your Bloody Marys or the Midnight Game, for example. They're not rooted in any level of historical or spiritual belief, but are more commonly a game or idea intended to spook people online.

However, you can of course see why people have brought this up as Elisa in the famous elevator footage is pressing a lot of different elevator buttons and also appears to be talking to someone unknown. Was she playing this eerie elevator game? Was she talking to the woman and thus failing the ritual?

What do you guys think? For one, I mean, no. No, clearly. But that is really cool. That's interesting. I love stuff like that. I've never heard of that, but I love stuff like that. That actually, it sounded familiar because in the video game, I covered Faith, the Unholy Trinity.

You get to a different dimension by using the elevator. And I think you actually hit it in that order. 4, 2, 6, 2. So it's probably... I'm sure it's just based off of this. But yeah, you play the elevator game in that game. It's... Do you guys... How do you guys feel about elevators? They fuck me up a little bit. Why? They make me really dizzy. They make me very dizzy. Vertigo? You might have vertigo. I do have vertigo. Sometimes I wake up and I have to lay down. I have to do these epley things to make my head stop spinning.

Yeah. I'm normally chill with them, but if I think too long about like, I'm going up really fast right now over a cavern, then it kind of messes with me. Same with flying. If I think about it too hard, it messes with me.

Yeah, you gotta push that from your mind when you're flying how far up in the sky you are right now and there's only a thin bit of well, not thin, but a bit of metal underneath you separating you from thousands of feet of free fall. Yeah, and you're just gonna get to think about it the entire time you're falling. The elevator thing, I have to look up whenever I'm going up. What? I have to look up so it doesn't make my head spin. It's really weird.

So he can feel like he's flying. So he can feel like he's taking off. If I got in an elevator with someone and they were just looking at the ceiling, I would not get on. I would stay up. I literally have to stare straight up and whenever I go down, I have to look straight down.

I'm fucked. What if you do the opposite? What if you go down and you look up and then if you go up you look down? That's fine. That works. You enter a different dimension. That's your own elevator game. Oh my gosh. My own. My Northern Virginia elevator game. Yeah. That's how you do it. Yeah. We don't have many elevators up there.

That's crazy. Is it to stop yourself from getting dizzy or is it a OCD thing or something? It's probably a bit of both, to be honest. I got some serious mental disorders, but the dizziness is definitely the main thing. It lasts for a while. If I look straight and I go up an elevator, I feel like I'm flying up for a while after. Mm-hmm.

Which is weird. I get that when I'm at the top of, let's say, a skyscraper and I look out the window, I get that sense of dizziness then. But not so much when that's the noise you make. Yeah, my legs go like a skeleton. Yeah, I don't trust myself around the edges of skyscrapers and stuff.

Well, yeah, or get pushed or trip or something cartoonishly stupid. Yeah. Yeah. What's that called? The... Fuck, not the fear of the void.

There's a French term for it where... Call of the Void. Call of the Void, yeah. Where your instinct, whenever you're in one of those situations, is to just jump. I have that. Even though you don't have any suicidal tendencies or anything. But you just can't stop yourself from thinking, like, jump. Is the movie hereditary with all the Con Stetson music? Where it's just really weird...

Sort of ethereal instrumental music. It's like, oh, with like weird shit playing. It's been a while since I've watched it. That's a great movie, by the way. But that that that's the type of thing my my whenever I I do have the call to what I've never heard of that before. I must research that because like this is where I have like really weird trance like moments where I just have I feel a call.

of something and it's to do something and I'd have to like break away. I think that's just the autism. Okay, yeah, maybe. Call of the Void. Well, no, wait. Aren't intrusive thoughts actually like a sign of ADHD? And I guess Call of the Void would be part of that. Oh, yeah. I have terrible intrusive thoughts. Yeah. Especially when driving alone. Yeah. Call of the Void. There's a term in psychology. Lapelle du vide. I think that's it. You may know it.

No, it's a French term. No, it's a term. It's usually like... Shut up. It's usually like... French is a made-up language, to be clear. Kind of like Australian. You moved over. Oh, damn. I was going to give you credit. I was going to give you credit for moving on from Australia. It's an idea that like you have these moments whenever you're faced with like

a very high level of like being off put, like maybe you're driving and like the car swerves for a second or you're standing on the edge of a bridge. Right. And there is this part in your brain that's like categorizing what you're not supposed to do. And it initially categorizes it as like, do it, do it right. Uh, like jumping or swerving into traffic or stuff like that. Yeah. I love doing that.

It's like self-destructive thoughts that just... It's in my head. It's like, huh? It's a brain categorization issue. What's this? We're not supposed to be doing that. You're supposed to be telling me to do the opposite of that. Self-preservation. What's that all about? Who's this guy in my head saying, do it. Drive into oncoming traffic.

I don't know why, but you just sound like Jim Carrey to me. And I'm imagining Jim Carrey whispering in my ear telling me to do it. I'm not going to do it, Jim. Who wants to take foul play or murder? I can do it if you guys want. Yeah, go for it. Though many have attributed her strange behavior on the surveillance footage as Elisa talking to a paranormal entity or something along those lines, could she have actually been talking to someone who was physically there but was out of sight of the cameras?

In the video, she was hiding, scared, and it looked as if she was trying to run away from someone. When Elisa was found, she was discovered naked, leading to many suspicions about there potentially being another person who may have instead dumped her body into the water tank. There are also conflicting statements on whether the hatch of the water tank was shut or open when the maintenance worker went to check and found her body.

If the hatch was closed, this raises a lot of questions as it would have been very difficult for someone to fully close the hatch once they were inside. It does seem the general consensus is that the hatch was open. However, when it does seem that the general consensus is that the hatch was open. However, when Elisa was discovered, there was no physical trauma or evidence that there was foul play. But to many, this does not rule the theory out. Someone could have murdered Elisa and then placed her body in the tank to fake a drowning.

Many actually blame the Mexican death metal musician who went by the name Morbid, real name Pablo Vergara. What? Really? People actually blame the guy. Just a guy. This is...

This is like, this is crazy. This part, like so stupid. Around a year before Elisa's death, Morbid had stayed at the Cecil Hotel to film a YouTube video for one of his songs. And due to the way Morbid styled himself and the nature of his songs, one song titled Died in Pain, for example, people who saw his videos were quick to jump on the bandwagon that he was Elisa's killer.

There was no evidence connecting him to the case and law enforcement never considered him a suspect in the disappearance or death. That did not stop the internet sleuths though who believed because he stayed at the hotel a year before and sang about the death. He must have been the one who committed the act. That is fucking insane. That's seriously the only evidence they had as well. That is wild. I looked into it. There's no other connection to this other than he stayed at the hotel at some point in his life and he's a death metal musician. That's it.

Yeah. People go hard on this theory too. Quick, get him. He's Spanish. Yeah. He's kind of weird. Now, if he was Australian, I wouldn't. Oh, yeah. Then I wouldn't understand completely. This would be a different message here. Yeah. This would be a different message. Yeah. Yep.

The web sleuths go on with their lives like nothing happened here, but they really turned my life upside down. I do not feel like I have lost. I do feel like I have lost my freedom of expression. I actually haven't made any more music. When I try, it's not the same. That is so sad and also almost funny a little bit to me for some reason. Vergara explains, I'm

I'm trying to rebuild my life and everything, but it sucks. Every day, it's never going away. And now I have to live with it the rest of my life. That's fucking crazy. So thousands of people were like, you are a murderer. You killed this woman. And they ruined his life. He got so much hate and vitriol from online harassers. That's fucked up. I mean, this is like super serious. He got so much of that, allegedly, that he attempted to take his own life as well. Oh my God, I didn't know that.

psychiatric treatment for the harassment. Fuck! Yeah, it's sad. I don't understand. I don't understand why people do this. Like, remember the fucking Reddit Boston Bomber shit where they tracked down some dude that they believed that it was? It's vigilantism and internet sleuths go way too hard on this shit.

Yeah, it's fucking crazy, dude. Have you seen that thing that's going on right now with the smart schoolboy 9? What's happened lately? People keep saying it to me. What is this? Can someone explain it to me? I haven't looked it up yet. I just filmed a video on it yesterday.

Okay, a short version for Jackson, because that's a whole rabbit hole to get down. Okay, yeah. It's a guy who pretends to be children online and is very clearly a child predator, right? And it's very creepy because he's using these fake accounts to talk to other kids and pretend to be one and stuff like that. But so people have tracked him down. But now so many...

like person people are like going to his house and throwing bricks through his window and harassing him and stuff like that that now the police are like protecting him because they're afraid someone's going to kill him uh so it's like complicating the investigation and it's like that yeah vigilante ism is just like hurting the case or any chances this guy actually go into jail um

I mean, we see that as well in like online, uh, you know, predator chases or whatever they call predator hunters. Yes. Yeah. Where they just show up and beat up a guy. Yeah. And it's as cool as that is obviously the beat up pedophiles, uh,

It does obviously detract. It doesn't lead to prosecution. Plus, a lot of these guys, now that it's become an industry and now that it's industrialized, I've seen some videos of them like they'll find a guy online who's clearly mentally ill.

And they'll be like, oh, I'm 16. And it's like, this person can't... Yes, it's wrong for them to do that, but they're clearly so far out of their mind that it's not a moral culpability. It's just that they can't control their actions or they're not responsible for their actions. And they'll just show up and beat up a mentally ill person. It's insane the level it's gone to. It really is crazy. It really is crazy. You're talking about the industrial... It's an industrial revolution of just...

beating up pedophiles for clout. It is now a profit margin. So now you min-max it, right? There's ways to get it done quicker, more efficiently. Yeah, yeah. Could you beat someone up? What are they going to do? Fucking go to the police? Exactly, yeah. Yeah, they're fucking pedophiles. And you can ruin the chances of that ever. Like at least that one guy who got all the flack for not handling the EDP situation well. Alex Rosen?

Alex Rosen. At least now, like in investigation since he involves the police, there's actual convictions that come of it and stuff like that versus these other guys who are just like, we're going to beat up a guy on camera and that will never go to court because of the ultimate goal should be for the predators to face legal repercussions to get them to

Hopefully jail time and registered on the sex offender list. Absolutely. To do that, you need the cooperation of law enforcement. And if you do these amateur predabist things where you're beating them up and shit like that, there's no amount of evidence that the legal system would be able to use in that situation. Yeah, because you've tainted the entire investigation. Yeah, you've tainted it all. It's dangerous. Yeah, it's pretty fucked. You're beating them up, but you're actually helping them in the long run. Yeah, you're preventing them from actually...

having to answer for their crimes legally.

But hey, you got a lot of views on the YouTube video. You got money from it, I guess. There's one video though that I love. It's this guy who gets caught at CVS and he's like this little Asian guy. And he's like, I asked you for my poop pills! My poo-poo pills! That one's wild. I love that video. He starts freaking out. My poo-poo pills! And he drives away in his Nissan Juke and crashes it. Ha ha ha ha!

So weird. But, uh...

That's

That's what they want you to believe, right? I mean, clearly Morbid, the musician, is very good at killing people. He's like a world-class assassin. He's able to kill people without leaving a trace of evidence on their body. No, dude. You can't say that about the poor guy. Poor Pablo. It's fucked up what happened to him. He didn't deserve that. That's really fucked up. Yeah, that sucks. The cover-up. The cover-up time. And I think Isaiah is best suited for this. All right, cover-up. Here we go. So...

However, here's where things get interesting when talking about the available evidence. We come to the cover-up idea. The cover-up theory comes from eagle-eyed watchers of the surveillance footage who noticed possible discrepancies in the timestamps. The footage is blurry, but around 2:30 minutes into the video, Elisa leaves the elevator and the footage keeps rolling. However, some think the timestamps were messed with, ultimately deleting 53 seconds of footage.

There are other commenters that believe that some parts of the video had been slowed down or edited. At 2:57, the elevator door closes but appears to sort of jump shut, adding fuel to the speculation. If the footage was edited, then why? Yeah, wait, wait, go back to the video. Let's watch this. Go to 2:57. It actually does jump forward, the elevator door. It's very, uh, it does seem to have been adjusted in some way.

My thought about it is that it's probably just really old, unreliable equipment, right? If I had to guess what's happening is the police are putting this out to try to get word about it and show the case. And they're like, alright, well, there's like 30 seconds of the door just setting open, so we'll just cut that. Just cut to where it's shutting. You can see the timer on the bottom doesn't ever... The timer on the bottom doesn't skip, though. It's just a compression. It's like some kind of lag, some kind of buffering or something like that.

You can see it go from 13 to 14 and then it skips and then it's still in 14. It's still in the same second when it goes forward. Yeah. Yeah. It's just some kind of encoding thing. Yeah. Okay. Is that, is that it could be, I'm not saying you're wrong, but is that timer down there, the security footage from the hotels timestamp or is that the police's timestamp? I can't really make out. Yeah. I don't know. This to me, it looks like it would be closed circuit analog timestamp.

Then in that case, it probably is just a compression deal then. Just a little click, a little buffer. Old unreliable equipment as well.

So if the footage was edited, then why? To tamper with the footage, someone would have to have access to the raw file. Someone from the hotel, the police department. Some believe that the hotel was trying to cover up negligence, like a possibly faulty security system, as an attempt to salvage their reputation, which, as we've discussed, had been pristine before the disappearance of Elisa Lam. Um...

The only potential way this theory would work is if an employee of the hotel murdered Lisa Lam and disposed of the body in the water tanks on the roof, explaining how they were able to bypass the alarmed rooftop security systems, and then they edited and erased elements of the security footage so as to hide their appearance in the footage.

If that was the case, hiding them in the water tank is a horrible idea. Yeah. They would have known that. They will find that. Maintenance workers, like, I know where I hide it. In the body of water that feeds the entire building that people are going to immediately complain about. That theory would make sense if it was someone who murdered her and then, like, skipped town. Because that buys you, like, at least a few days, right? Yeah.

putting it in the water but then they would have to be able to access the video file as well but if you work at the hotel that is a horrible idea yeah and plus again like there's no evidence on the actual body of any kind of uh you know altercation so yeah how would they have killed her without leaving any kind of lacerations defensive wounds etc

Some people have also gone the classic government route. Elisa Lam's death was part of a government experiment. There we go. Her death occurred around the same time that a tuberculosis outbreak occurred in downtown Los Angeles. And some theorists noticed that a test for tuberculosis is called the Lam-Elisa test. Wow. Which is a pretty, I mean, to be fair, that is a pretty weird coincidence. That is weird. Yeah.

Well, I mean, it's also just like looking for stuff because it's like there was tuberculosis and there's also a test somewhere else in the world of tuberculosis. It's called the Lamelisa test. And that is evidence. That's legitimate evidence, guys.

They speculate that her death might have been tied to an experiment or a bioweapon cover-up, although there is no genuine evidence to support this. Just for additional information that might be relevant, the LAM ELISA test stands for Lipoarabinomanin, or LAM, Inside-Linked Immunosorbent Assay, which is where ELISA comes from.

which is used to detect the disease. I think we used the SASE for something in biology labs to look at genes, I believe, or something like that over time.

One key piece of information that breaks apart this, however, in my opinion, is that the LAM-ALISA test can have its development and use traced back to the 1990s and early 2000s. So was the government playing the waiting game until they could find someone named after their tuberculosis test before they enacted their grand government scheme of experimenting on tuberculosis? Or was this simply and admittedly very weird coincidence?

I think it's very likely. For sure. They were waiting. They needed Elisa Lam to show up in California. I think this is pretty open and shut, boys. Good job. Good job, everyone. Fucking Christ. People actually believe this as well. So insane. People are mind-bogglingly stupid.

You guys know that? People? Yeah, man. I also just don't like hearing about tuberculosis because it killed Arthur in Red Dead Redemption 2. So anytime I hear that, I get itchy. And Edgar Allan Poe. All right. And a lot of other people. Yeah, true. It did kill a lot of people. Tuberculosis is one of the greatest killers of our time. I've got the consumption. I've got consumption. Yeah, it is exceedingly...

surprising, well not surprising, but exceedingly sad how many people believe this kind of stuff. Alright, so finally we're on to the, I mean what is the most likely theory? The accidental drowning due to mental health issues. Would you like me to take it or someone else? Ultimately, Elisa Lam's death was officially ruled an accident supported by the autopsy report. The coroner and investigators believe that the death came as a result from Elisa's struggling mental health. I mean, yes. I think that's

Everything points to that, right? It's not like they fabricated her mental health history or anything like that. And it's the most obvious example of a mental health breakdown that I could possibly see on camera. Like that kind of behavior.

And she had a history of hallucinations and such. The toxicology report, in addition to the investigation of a hotel room, showed investigators that she was not taking the right dosage amounts of her medications alongside the blog, which showed a long history of battling mental health issues.

Combining this with the testimony of multiple witnesses who attested to the fact that Elisa was acting erratically and strangely, as well as the fact that she had a prior history of hallucinations and bipolar outbursts, really only led the investigators to the most logical conclusion. And this is a quote from Detective Wallace Tenniel on Elisa's death.

Quote, My opinion is that she fell off her medication and in her state, she happened to find her way onto the roof, got into the water tank. At the time, I think that the water tank was maybe full, but as people used the tank, used water, unknown to her, the level was dropping to a point where she could no longer reach out and escape, and she died that way.

Very, very sad. I mean, yeah, I think, again, this most obvious outcome answer to the what happened. This leads to a question many have asked. Why was she naked?

Well, there could be a few reasons, a few answers to this. She may have stripped her clothes off during her hallucinations or began to experience hypothermia in the water tank if she had been in there for a long period of time. Something that makes you believe you are warm when you are actually not. As the detective stated in the previous quote, she may have been in the tank for an extended amount of time before drowning. So she feels hot. She feels like she's burning up while she's in the tank. So she strips naked. I think that's...

What a tragic way to go because you can't reach up to the door so you're just floating in water where you can't touch the bottom either. So you just have to tread water and float until you die. That's so fucked up. I mean, I'm assuming she was in there during her mental breakdown and then maybe she stabilized and...

Poor girl. Yeah. Awful. And then also like you're stuck in a metal drum. You could scream, I guess, but like who's, yeah, very unfortunate.

As expected, the internet gave rise to a wave of wild theories, ranging from alien involvement, time travel, to claims that her death mirrored the 2002 Japanese horror film Dark Water and tying her disappearance to a tuberculosis outbreak, as we've discussed. Or even that she was part of a government experiment, or that some random metal musician was her killer. Sometimes, however...

the most obvious answer is the correct one. Regardless of what you think happened to Elisa Lam, ultimately what we do know for sure is that she was a 21 year old whose life was tragically cut short as she spent her life battling a tragic mental health crisis without much in the way of assistance. It's a shame now that her memory has been tainted by those online who seek to see messages or conspiracies where there are truly none. It's easy to forget the victim at the end of all of this, but it shouldn't be that way. I highly recommend viewers

take a moment to remember Elisa Lam as a person. Explore her blog. Go check out her photos because she did enjoy photography and writing and stuff like that. So go look at the person that she was and look at her artistic creations in good faith and with well intentions and see for who she was and remember her life for what it was outside of all the insane conspiracy theories that have to do with her death because I think it's important at the end of the day to

remember her outside of her death as well. Yeah, it's crazy that people comb through her writings and her messages and stuff looking for clues. You know, like the Boston Bomber shit again. Internet sleuths go way too hard on this kind of stuff and get too

too insane about it in my opinion it's like conspiracy theories are fun at the end of the day right they're like fun to fuck around with but there is a point where it becomes genuinely unhealthy i think

Yeah, it's a I understand the video is strange. It was creepy. And I don't think there's anything wrong with people like taught theorizing about the creepiness of it. But at the end of the day, this was, you know, a girl who died. She suffered from a lot of her own personal demons. And it's a tragic case all around. That being said, the footage, everything very creepy. I see why it spawned all the stories that it did.

Yeah, like theorizing about that. I think my main issue is when it veers into targeted harassment against musicians who have nothing to do with it, as well as combing through her stuff and assigning guilt to her for being a government agent or something, or the government filled her up with tuberculosis or whatever. It's like sometimes there's not this grand element to the things and you just kind of need to look at the available evidence for what it is.

But yeah, again, that video footage of the elevator was very, very haunting in of itself. So I totally understand why it popped off the way that it did. Very, very, very, very strange footage. Yeah, it makes sense.

It's a very big, big internet thing in a very early time. And a lot of people on, I mean, me and you, but both Isaiah Jackson, did you see the video when it first came out? Like on YouTube, it was like a, you know, number 15, the disappearance of Elisa Lam, like that type of stuff is what I saw it on. Um, so it's like, I don't know. There's just not like a good amount of information. Everything is sort of all the good stuff, not on the internet. So, um,

You just get the shit and it sucks that this person has just been dragged so much. It's good that the mental health stuff, because like Isaiah said earlier, I don't remember any of that when it first happened. It was all just total speculation, this crazy mystery, this insane cold case. But it's not at all. She just was not well.

Yeah, it's kind of fucked up when you consider that she was battling these literal demons, right? These mental health demons. This awful part of her life. And you would think that after they cause her death, more time should be spent talking about how serious mental health is to that degree. But even in death, her suffering has kind of been reduced and not talked about, right? The actual thing that caused her to die has not been talked about the way that it should be talked about.

instead it's you know morbid killed her or something or there was a hotel employee or a spooky ghost that killed her when really like the actual answer to this is uh even more scary like her mind killed her at the end of the day her mental health killed her which is just very very sad and something that is more relatable than spooky spooky elevator demons i guess

Anyway, I think that's what happened to Elisa Lam. I think we all agree on this one. No wild takes from us this time. Maybe next week we'll find a case where we can have some wild takes. Well, I mean, like, I just don't want to make any jokes. Again, like I said, it's all about what the butt of the joke is. So I don't want to make anything about her. But... Okay, what about a conspiracy about Cecil Hotel? Yeah.

Instead. The hotel. There you go. Okay. It was actually a front for unrelated to Elisa Lam. It was actually a front for Epstein. The basement full of children. Yeah.

And the children screaming at night is what drove so many people insane. And that's why they jumped out of the window. That makes sense. Yeah, that totally makes sense. And little St. John or the island or whatever his island was, was actually a red herring to divert attention away from Cecil Hotel, which is actually his base of operations. And he's still there to this day. What? Yeah. And Cecil is there too.

what letter does the word Cecil start with see and what letter is children oh my God dude pretty open and shut to me uh this is deep this is getting this is a rabbit hole I didn't expect so pretty open and shut case closed uh real shame all those people died or whatever but uh just know the truth know the truth people we need to tear that down

Let's start a, what's it called when you start protests online? A hashtag? A trend? No, no, no. When you start protests online. Change.org. Oh, change.org. Yeah, let's start a change.org to tear down Cecil Hotel to remove the taint of Jeffrey Epstein from the world. There you go. I like it.

All right, that's going to do it for Red Thread. As per usual, we've got audio links down below so you can listen to us on Spotify as well as iTunes and things like that so that you can listen to us in the car on your way to the various places that you like to travel to. Or if you're listening in an elevator, you can listen to us in an elevator using audio platforms.

If someone could tell us that they've listened to the entire episode in an elevator, that'd be pretty cool, I think. Just stand in an elevator. Yeah, just keep going up and down listening to us. Repeatedly doing the Korean elevator ritual the whole time until it finally works.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Actually, someone out there in our audience, do the Korean elevator ritual thing and let us know how it goes. Let us know if you can get to a different dimension using that. I'd be interested in knowing.

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That was good. Thank you. Damn Americans. That's going to do it for this episode. Thank you. We'll see you next time on Red Thread. Bye, guys. See you, fellas. Thank you all for watching. Bye.