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This is Deborah Roberts, co-anchor of 2020. You're about to hear episode two of the beauty queen killer Nine Days of Terror, a true crime series from ABC News Studios. Here's episode two, his next victim. So tell me what you're reading, first of all.
I am reading the FBI's transcript of my interrogation. On Wednesday, April 4th, 1984, she went into the shopping mall to Hickory Farms Gourmet Food Store to fill out an application. As she entered the store, she saw a man standing there, later determined to be Wilder, and they said hi to each other.
Okay, so Wilder stated that he wanted to take some photographs of her in a mountain setting and therefore they drove in the car east into the local mountains. He requested her to look up at the mountains. When Risico looked back at him, she was shocked to see that he was pointing a revolver at her. He then placed the barrel of the revolver... Oh, I forgot about that.
Okay, so he did rape me in the car right after that. I forgot all about that. Now that I'm reading all this, it's coming right back up. I laugh because it covers my crazy fear I'm having right now. Oh, that was gross. Come on, honey. I need to hold you, baby doggie. I'm trying to get it out of my mind, and it's just swirling right now.
I'm having nightmares tonight. I would love for you to read this and tell me what that is. I have in my hand a piece of paper. It's entitled Wildest Criminal Mode of Operation. We have determined that for many years, subject has followed the same mode. He will approach attractive young women, late teens to early 20s, who look younger, at shopping malls and resorts.
comment on their beauty, represent that he's a photographer, and can further a modeling career for them. His approach is described as extremely smooth and self-assured. Years before kidnapping Tina, Christopher Wilder preyed on dozens of women and girls. Yeah, I mean, I remember the day. He walked up, my mother was there because I couldn't drive, and we were at Cutler Ridge Mall. And how old were you? I was 14.
He was very charming, for sure. Very charming, very piercing blue eyes. He was well-dressed, well-groomed. And he came up and he said, "You're very beautiful. I'd like to talk more about being your manager and your photographer." He would tell you, "You're beautiful. I could see you modeling." That meant a lot to me. I was very excited when he approached me. I was 19. I was young. I was naive. And so I believed him.
And you know, these red flags start popping up and you're like, "Oh, is that real or not?" And then, of course, it was 100% real. Over the course of the night, he was definitely becoming more anxious, more aggressive. "I need you to go put the dress on. The dress." "Okay." "And put the heels on." And he was like, "Make sure you have on no underwear." He said, "Well, you need to do as you're told and listen to me. You need to take your shirt off. I need to see how you're built." I said, "No."
He would ask me about the size of my thighs, which I thought was very unusual. So he would pull over in parking lots and tell me to get aggressive with him sexually. But that's when I would make him so angry, because I would stop and say, "No, I'm not doing this." And I'd literally see the veins popping out. He would say, "Who owns you?" "Christopher." And then, you know, he'd say, "Christopher Wilder," you know, so I would have to repeat it.
He told me that I just blew the biggest opportunity I would ever have and that I would never work in this town again. I thought it was my fault. I wanted this. I wanted to be a model. This is what you have to do, right? I'm very grateful that I was not part of or didn't know him at the time of this rampage of his. March 15, 1984, 20 days before Tina is kidnapped.
Christopher Wilder, wealthy race car driver, amateur photographer, and wanted man. Police in Miami want to question Wilder about the disappearances of models Beth Kenyon and Rosario Gonzalez. Witnesses place Wilder with each woman before she disappeared. By the time he became a person of interest, Christopher Wilder was gone. We're asking for the community to keep an eye out.
for Mr. Christopher Wilder. - It was hard understanding why they couldn't catch him. - Miami police detectives say they understand the anger and frustration, but say they didn't have enough hard evidence to arrest Wilder after both Rosario Gonzalez and Beth Kenyon disappeared. - Down in Florida, it was all over the news. It was just so surreal. Like, you know, you hear and you see things happen on TV.
but it's different when it happens to you. When Beth disappeared last month, her parents hired private investigators to question Wilder at his Boynton Beach home. By the time police got there, Wilder, too, had disappeared. You hold out hope because you love him, but statistics tell you that the chance of her being alive after five days is slim. Kenyon says he'd like police protection for his family, but he doesn't plan to go into hiding. I'm nervous for my family.
Nervous for every girl. I'm nervous for you. This is where Wilder goes on the run. And once he started, didn't stop. After abducting Rosario Gonzalez and Beth Kenyon, Wilder goes on up to Daytona on the 15th of March, 1984. There, he abducts Colleen Emily Osborne. Missing Colleen Osborne, now age 16, last seen Daytona Beach, Florida, March 15th, 1984. Then on the 18th of March, he turns up at Merritt Island.
where he kidnaps Teresa Ferguson. Her body was found in the lake near Haines City with a rope tied around her neck and tied to her feet. After that, he goes up to Tallahassee on the 19th. The next day, the 20th, he kidnaps Linda Grover. Now, up until this point, all of these disappearances were being investigated by the local authorities. But it was the abduction and sexual assault of Linda Grover that finally got the FBI into the game.
In 1984, I was a special agent investigator assigned to the major case squad in Miami.
during the early phases of this case. The FBI feeling was there's no evidence of an abduction until the call from the Grover family that Linda had been kidnapped. Last Tuesday, authorities say Wilder kidnapped a young woman here at this Tallahassee shopping mall, beat her, tried to glue her eyelids shut, and raped her. I struggled initially with them, and then I was a very compliant person until I wasn't.
We fought. I just ran to the bathroom and then pretended like I was dead. I opened up the door, he was gone. A woman who was raped and tortured in this Florida hotel room escaped and identified him. She ended up in a hospital up in Gainesville, Georgia. We flew on up there and she right away, I mean, the photo, I picked him out right away. She identified the photographs, right? I sent these out to all field offices.
That was it. And to me, it was what a relief. We're in this. There's no ambiguity. There's no nonsense. All the focus at that point was trying to catch this guy. I mean, it was every agent in Miami working the case, and I'm working 24 hours a day, you know. Right after that, he takes Loppy, goes through Louisiana, down to Beaumont, Texas. He's a suspect in the March 23rd murder of Terry Walden. I just wanted to know, well, when...
Why he chose her? She's found in the creek. I'd ride these canals and check them, and I just saw a red blazer, and I hooked it with my hook, and it floated up in the body. I mean, that really struck me. Those guys will never forget that. You know, pulling that girl out of the water. ♪♪
And then on the 25th, he abducts Suzanne Wendy Logan. His latest suspected victim, a 21-year-old Oklahoma woman whose body was found in Kansas. They found the body the day after Suzanne disappeared. We could have been saved a whole lot of undue suffering had the police moved in time. You're down to the point where you're good God when you get the call that they found somebody and there was duct tape on it.
You know, I knew damn well it was Wilder. He's out in Vail, Colorado on the 28th, and that's when Cheryl Bonaventura is kidnapped. Cheryl Bonaventura was an aspiring model. She disappeared from this shopping center in Mesa, Colorado, near her home in Grand Junction on March 29th. Her body was found yesterday in Kanaib, Utah.
At least one bullet wound was discovered by the doctor, but the cause of death was stab wound. She was out there for a while, you know. It bothers me to this day. And then Michelle Korfman was abducted April 1.
Las Vegas becomes the seventh city in a trail of abductions. 17-year-old Michelle Korfman of nearby Boulder City has been missing for three days. I got the picture of him out there looking at Michelle Korfman in the modeling show. I mean, the guy was doing the same thing to each of the girls before he killed them. That's what made this such a harrowing event.
Do authorities think that Wilder is still in the Las Vegas area or perhaps has he gone up the coast? Wherever he went, someone died. He's killing someone every two or three days, but he's also deliberately stopping to do it. His next victim after Michelle Kaufman was Tina Risico. This episode is brought to you by Shopify.
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April 5th, 1984, Tina's second day in captivity. Every night, stopping at the hotels were continuous rape for me, electrocution shocks. I only took a bath once that I was allowed to shower or bathe. Yeah. Sleeping with him, it was so disgusting that his hand on my body, just his mere touch was just... I couldn't shudder, but inside and internally, I was shuddering.
He handcuffed my hands. And so I ended up sleeping like this with him, you know, on my side. And today, this is the only way I fall asleep. It was very traumatic, very exhausting. I, you know, hate it every second. But knowing that this is what's the only thing that's going to keep me alive is obeying everything. Routine was just 6 a.m. up, brush your teeth, put your clothes on.
He'd look at the maps and plan the route for the 12 hours a day that we had of light, and go and just drive, get back on the road. No destination, never disclosed where we're going. The direction was just east, and the threats of violence were constantly there. A gun was always loaded and right by his leg, if not on his lap, and the knife was always right by him as well.
He did ask me, you know, how old I was and do I have a driver's license. And I said, you know, 16, yes, I have a driver's license, but I don't drive because we don't have any, you know, extra cars for me to use. And so he allowed me to learn how to drive with him, more or less. I was still learning, you know, 2 and 9 o'clock. He told me how to hold my hands on it. Yeah, he was instructing me how to drive, yeah. And that was okay. It was a time of little peace.
It was alleviating, you know, the focus on the road. And I was so relieved throughout the day being able to drive and just be away from him and not have him even touch me. In those little couple of moments, I wasn't feeling so controlled and so handled. He didn't talk much. He claimed to be a race car driver. He was a contractor in, you know, Florida. And I just listened and watched.
In a special live hook-up to Australian television from the studios of Channel 4, Stephen Wilder said his brother was always troubled in dealing with others, but something he can't explain happened to Christopher Wilder in recent months that made him change. No, there wasn't any violence at all until I was from broke. He just snapped and went crazy. He wasn't the same person. It was obvious that he just went crazy. It's a terrible, you know...
It's a mess. Christopher's brother, Stephen, would claim on TV that Chris had snapped. But in fact, Chris had a long history of disturbing behaviour. His father, Coley Wilder, was an American naval officer during World War II. They moved around a lot with his service and then finally Coley retired from the Navy and came to live in Australia, I think in the end of the '50s. Christopher was the eldest of all boys. He was about 13 or 14 when he came to Australia.
He didn't adjust terribly quickly to the high school. He was a bit of an oddity really. And then when he was about 15 or 16, he raped a young girl he'd met at the beach. So they bring in a psychiatrist who says that Wilder is a perfectly normal person. The psychiatrist's point is quite interesting because Wilder in his later life, when he's rewriting his own story, talks about all manner of things that happened as a child. Remarkable allegations.
including that he'd had electroshock therapy as a kid. He was a liar. I mean, he was a liar. He was a person that had a lot of trouble having relationships with anyone and the only way he could get them in a relationship, he thought the only way he could do it was to buy people. He seemed to have had a sexual problem, or possibly had a sexual problem, more or less, but he was able to get that fixed in Florida.
April 5th, 1984. Tina's second day in captivity.
I wondered if anybody was looking for me, but I didn't know they really were. I was not really grasping the concept that this was such a heavy-duty manhunt for me. I didn't know. I didn't realize the gravity of it. We are adding Christopher Bernard Wilder to our 10 Most Wanted list. In April 1984, I was a police officer for the city of Redondo Beach.
There was an FBI bulletin with Christopher Wilder's picture that was a beyond the lookout. And I turned around and I looked at the two officers and the sergeant and I said, "This guy kidnapped my brother's girlfriend." Authorities fear the girl may be Wilder's ninth victim. I believe I actually heard it on the news at home and it was a real shock.
I didn't know anyone that had ever been kidnapped. And definitely not someone that you cared about, someone that you knew. Subject armed with a revolver and a knife, hair balding, no mustache, no beard, wanted for attempted murder. And, you know, this story definitely got more horrific as each day went by, as they started piecing it together and finding other victims and the condition of the other victims. You know, her chances are getting worse each day.
These are the cases police believe that Christopher Wilder is responsible for this rampage of murder and kidnappings. I didn't think she was going to make it.
We actually got together and prayed. Like, you know, please God, let Tina come home. It definitely changed the community. Our town wasn't as innocent. It was like, okay, somebody's taken this girl and it could have been my daughter. I do remember there was an idea that we were still in the South Bay. So parents were telling, don't go to the mall.
don't go to the mall don't talk to strangers at that point no one in the us really knew where christopher wilder was and by that stage the hunt for christopher wilder was the largest manhunt in fbi history you're doing everything you can think of all you think about is catching this guy what can we do the only thing that was going to stop this guy is publicity
Apparently in 1981, his therapist told him stop picking up girls and so he goes to the dating service.
We got the videotape of his interview. If the media would play something like that, it had the potential of being much more helpful than just a picture of the guy.
The bearded, balding, 39-year-old Australian-born race car driver seen here in a 1981 film clip released today by the FBI. They released this dating service tape nationwide, hoping citizens will notice this man and call police. Hopefully meeting the right person, somebody with death.
That tells you everything you need to know. The guy's talking so smoothly about how he's looking for meaningful relationships and a cocktail and a quiet and all this nonsense. But, um, actually, don't...
Hi all, Kate Gibson here of The Bookcase with Kate and Charlie Gibson. This week we talked to Whoopi Goldberg about lots of things. But one of the things we talked to her about is how as a science fiction and graphic novel fan, she never saw herself on those screens or on those pages growing up. I mean, I didn't realize that part of me until I watched Star Trek. And I saw it because I love sci-fi.
And for some reason, it never occurred to me that I was missing until I was present. You're not going to want to miss this episode of The Bookcase from ABC News. April 10th, 1984, Tina's seventh day in captivity. I want to talk about what happened when you got to Gary, Indiana. So that was, so when we got to Gary, Indiana, I,
That's when he kind of, that's like one of the only times that he'd like describe this is what we're going to do. This is what you're going to do for me. I want you to do this for me. And this is how you want, I want you to do it for me. This mall is where Wilder changed his tactics, according to police. Instead of entering the mall himself and talking to attractive young women about a photography modeling job, Wilder allegedly sent in a female accomplice to lure a victim out to his car. When we walked in the mall,
He actually gave me some money to buy some perfume. He was just right there with me, but he was scoping the area out. He pointed her out, that one. He told me, you know, say hi, that she's beautiful, that she'd be interested in becoming a model. Let me introduce you to him, is what I said to her. How do you feel? Probably like you'd expect that I feel, nervous.
I'd like to kind of talk about that day. Yeah, so I think for me, you know, there's some things that are fuzzy now after all this time. My mom was in retail management at that mall. 1984, I was 16.
I was the only one that didn't have a job in my little friend group, and I'm like, I'm just going to pop around and get a job. I do know I came out of, like, applying, and I was approached by a girl. She talked about, you know, there's going to be a fashion show here at the mall, which I'm like, oh, you know, that makes sense. I'm surprised my mom didn't tell me because I had...
and then previously done things. So that just wasn't an unusual thing for me to hear about, right? And that mall was kind of a safe space for me because I spent so much time there. He took it from there. He gave her a very convincing spiel how you can be a model, you're so beautiful. Let me take some photos of you. However it was to get her outside into the car.
The story was we just need to go to the warehouse to go find the clothes. It all just made sense to me, right? Because she was there, we were at a safe spot, and it just, you know, that's just how it started. All that was going through my head was how can I save her? How am I going to tell her to get away from here? How can I tell her to go away, run? But I just did what he said.
So we were walking out to my car. I could tell something was going on. You know, like there was like some urgency, like just something was off. But right away, like he had a gun. And then I'm like, oh, this is really bad. And I don't even know what's going on. So the violence started right away.
So he drove with her. I followed behind in her car. In that moment, did you contemplate whether escape was even possible? Did that even cross your mind? No. No escape crossed my mind at all. There was no getting away from him. Like, I was a race car driver. He always told me in any environment, "Don't even think about running, screaming or anything. I will shoot you on the spot."
There is a part of me that had awareness that she wasn't voluntarily and maybe initially with him. But during our experience, it was never really clear to me what that relationship was. There was just nothing I could do except watch for it to unfold. I didn't know what was going to happen, right? I knew that I was in a very scary situation with a monster and his, I'll say, accomplice at the time.
I was a baby. I was 16 years old. Like, I didn't know this was a serial killer. I didn't-- I had no idea what was going on. He disposed of her car. And then thereafter, he drove us to the motel. And then I had to watch her be tortured. During that time, you know, being sexually assaulted and tortured, I wasn't a human to him. I wasn't a person to him at all. After he was done raping her and her
raping me. He allowed us to go take a bath. And while I was in the bath, I could see the lights dimming on and off, so he was electrocuting her. And she was screaming. I could hear from the bathroom. But there was just one moment, I don't know if she could understand what I said, but I had a moment to look at her between her and I, and he didn't see it. And I just said silently, "I'm sorry."
April 11, 1984. Tina's eighth day in captivity. Dawn's second day in captivity. Good morning, FBI. 100 calls poured into the Sacramento FBI office this morning, all promising information on Christopher Wilder, despite the fact the last confirmed sighting of Wilder was a week ago in a Southern California motel.
By the time we got to the 11th of April, law enforcement activities were focused on the West Coast. Here's on leading news broadcasts across the country, there are press conferences for law, but we still can't get close to it. The whole Miami office was working. We were sending guys out all over the place. But the problem is, back in those days, you didn't have the fast communication like you have today. The technology was very, very old-fashioned.
You didn't have mobile phones. Communications are all done by a thing called a telex machine, which is a strange thing that sort of clatters away in the corner. It was back in the day when you had stenographers, so I would dictate all this to a steno. And they'd type it up and then they'd send it to the teletype room and they'd send it out.
The other thing is that he was using credit cards, so you put the stops out there. Well, he would use it, but back in those days you didn't get the immediate contact like you get now. Contemporary technology, you use your credit card, a couple of seconds later I know where you are. But back then, you put the credit card in the machine and you would slide it backwards and forwards so it left an imprint. And then a couple of days later, when you took the credit card receipts down to the bank,
You knew where he'd be, but it might be three or four days old before you found out. And the problem with Wilder, he was moving and killing every couple of days. So during that time, there was a lot of driving, which, you know, felt endless. My eyes were covered, and I was really in a space that I couldn't see out of the car. And my eyes and mouth, I think, were covered for most of the time. I slept a lot during that time.
Every time that I could, I fell asleep and I think that just was my body's defense mechanism for survival. Which was just me shutting down, right, to escape the situation. So there was a sense of like just buying your time until whatever was gonna shake out was gonna shake out, right?
There were certainly times that, you know, I'm like, "How can I get out of here? What can you do?" But some of the worst things that people said to me kind of unknowingly afterwards is like, "Why didn't you fight back? Why didn't you just run? Why didn't you do this?" And I'm like, you know, "Why don't you just not say anything unless you're in that exact same position as a 16-year-old girl doing that?" There was a time that, I don't know how, but she and I were in the car together at least by ourselves one time.
And I did say, like, something like, you know, "How are we gonna get, like, let's get out of this. Like, how are we gonna get out of this?" And she's like, "Just do what he says." And so then I'm like, "Okay, that's a shutdown, right? Like, there's not gonna be any, like, collaboration or, like, I'm kind of on my own." I can't help her, but I thought that maybe we can get through this together. But that didn't happen.
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We woke up and...
I had not been blindfolded or my eyes taped at the time and the TV was on. And all of a sudden on the TV, my mother shows up. I'm like, oh my God, there's my mom. And if this guy does have her, so help me God, he better not cross my path. The FBI is intensifying the search for Wilder, wanting desperately to stop him before he strikes again. At that moment, something changed in him.
And he had done with me, made us get ready to go and drove us to this secluded area, this wooded area, thinking it was way far away for people, you know, a public view. And then got out of the car, took Don with him. Had he given you any indication that he was going to try to... No, I did not know what he was doing with her.
I was left to sit in the car. Had no keys. It was in the middle of nowhere. There was nowhere to hide. So I sat in the car and I waited for him. We were walking into woods. I didn't know what he was doing. But then he did start trying to suffocate me. And that was the time that I remember fighting back, right? And that was a good feeling.
And then, you know, he ended up stabbing me and then leaving me. When he comes back to the car without Don, how was he acting? His demeanor is very erratic, very crazy, very sweaty. He looked like pale, but very excited. And I knew, I did not ask at all.
I believe she was dead. I wasn't intentionally playing dead, but I honestly didn't know, like, "Oh, are you gonna die?"
But then I'm like, "Dawn, you have to get up. You cannot let this be it. And your mom is so worried about you and your grandparents will just— it's just supposed to crush them. You have to move." And so I remember getting over to a tree, and I was kind of slumped up against a tree. And I believe this was my divine connection, right? I do feel like this was my God moment of the lights and the sunlight and just this feeling of some strength and power.
I didn't know what my injuries were. I did know that I could see it and thought it was bad. I didn't have a shirt on, but I had pants on. And so I took my pants off and tied them around my chest, thinking that that would help me. I am, you know, fuzzy, dizzy, and I make my way to the road. I saw a truck, a delivery truck, and then it drove me to the hospital.
The idea for him was to stab me in the heart. That's instant death, but he missed it and so stabbed me in the lung. It was a serious injury. It would have resulted in death. So me getting to the hospital at the time I got to the hospital, you know, it was critical. If I would have decided not to get up, then I would have, you know, died for sure. I had had some interviews with the police at that time, and I think they really were very kind of frantic. You know, whatever I could tell them would help them find him.
So Wilde had dumped Dawn there to die, left her to die in the forest. But he's not sure, so he's done a big lap round the block, which is about two miles square, and when he's come back, she's gone. We'll keep us advised on it, because we need some help. I'm going down slowly with him. We'd like to report that this morning, about 9.30 or 10 o'clock,
A 16-year-old female was located in a field in rural Yates County. All of a sudden, the FBI realized that they're not chasing a bloke around California or Nevada. They're chasing a bloke who is in smack bang northern New York state.
The incident this morning we feel may have a bearing upon Wilder's whereabouts in this area. We don't know which way he went at this point. We don't know if he doubled back and went west or east. And we really need some assistance in locating the vehicle. They also had learned Tina's being used as bait because she played an active role in luring Dawn to the car. What active role did the woman play in sparring him off?
As far as I know, the woman participated in the abduction, and that is our information. And that's why we're trying to... Was she complicit, or was she a victim of it? According to the FBI today, Christopher Wilder, wanted for a series of murders and sexual assaults, appears to be on a cross-country crime spree now with the help of a young woman. That woman may be one of Wilder's kidnapped victims. It was a turn after that where people were starting to...
described Tina much more as an accomplice versus a victim. Wilder's accomplice lured her into his car, saying she was looking for models for magazines. Like all the media up until that point had been about her being a victim until that day. It's April 12th, 1984, Tina's ninth day in captivity. So apparently you guys heard a report that Don had died.
had gotten out and she was alive and found by some farmer guy. He heard the information on the radio. He, of course, was listening to see because apparently he didn't think he did the job correctly because he had a feeling she was still alive. This is when he started getting crazy. I think he feared now the FBI were on the right track and they weren't too far behind. And I could, you know, you could just sense that he's, it's closing in on him. He's done.
He was very sketchy and scary. And from that point he said to me, "We need to change cars." Sure enough, in the shopping center he spotted Beth Dodge. My mother's name is Beth Dodge. I was only four when she died, so what I do remember is little flashes. She was a Sunday school teacher, always smiling.
In the morning, she would have me eat my cereal, and I remember I was eating cereal that day. She's all dressed up, looking beautiful, wearing her long coat, getting ready. And then she went to work in that car, and I thought it was the coolest car. It was a gold Pontiac Firebird.
He just saw the car, followed her. He approached her with the gun, pushed her in the car, took it over, told me to follow. We pulled off the road in this gravel area, like a turnout. The minute she got out of the car with him, he told her to walk ahead, and he just shot her straight in the back. I mean, point blank, just...
Later on that night, the babysitter said to me, where's your mom? You know, because it was way past the time that she was supposed to pick me up.
We waited and waited and waited, and all that I know from there is that my mom had been found, and they put a bulletin on the news. 33-year-old Beth Dodge of upstate New York was shot in the back. Her body was discovered beside a highway by two truck drivers. FBI agents spent much of the night working from this command center, trying to figure just how to stop one of the country's 10 most wanted criminals.
Margaret Koston, who was taking care of Dodgy's daughter, had only one thought for Christopher Wilder. Don't even give him a chance. If they see him, in my opinion, kill the guy. He never gave Beth a chance. He killed her for a car only. This was like out of character for him. So, you know, definitely intensified, heightened the intensity to me of when am I next.
We believe that he is in a rather distinctive car. It's a gold, metallic gold, 1982 Pontiac Firebird. His whereabouts are unknown. If anyone has any information, call the FBI. I was still in the hospital. Knowing he was still out there, I didn't feel safe. I didn't know what else he would do. I guess he made a decision after that in his crazed mind that I would go to Canada. He told me he was going to go disappear.
He had enough money to live on for a while. I think he was excited to escape. If he could just get over the border, it'd be okay for him. I was fairly scared, like, what's happening? What's going to happen to me? This is Deborah Roberts. You can catch the final episode of The Beauty Queen Killer, Nine Days of Terror, from Ample Entertainment and 101 in the feed next week. Or find the series on Hulu.
Hi all, Kate Gibson here of The Bookcase with Kate and Charlie Gibson. This week we talked to Whoopi Goldberg about lots of things. But one of the things we talked to her about is how as a science fiction and graphic novel fan, she never saw herself on those screens or on those pages growing up. I mean, I didn't realize that part of me until I watched Star Trek. And I saw it because I love sci-fi.
And for some reason, it never occurred to me that I was missing until I was present. You're not going to want to miss this episode of The Bookcase from ABC News.