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'Radioactive' - Ep. 4: The Investigators

2024/12/10
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Bob Sands
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Karen Pipkin Guerrero
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Larry Dellinger
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Steve Watka
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Steve Wodka
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Bob Sands: 本集节目追溯了对卡伦·西尔克伍德死亡原因的多年调查,调查人员在新墨西哥州发现了关键证据,希望能最终解开这个谜团。他们走访了相关人员,收集了各种证据,试图还原事件真相。 Karen Pipkin Guerrero: 她的父亲A.O. Pipkin是工会雇佣的事故调查员,他坚信Karen Silkwood的车祸并非单纯的意外,而是人为造成的。他保存了车祸中Silkwood汽车的保险杠作为证据,并将其视为此案最重要的证据。他一直对案件耿耿于怀,直到去世前才将保险杠交给女儿。 Mike Boettcher & Bob Sands: 警方对车祸的初步调查草率且结论仓促,存在疑点。警方的调查结论与现场情况不符,关键证据缺失或被篡改,存在人为操纵的嫌疑。 Steve Wodka: 他质疑警方的调查结论(疲劳驾驶),认为这与Karen Silkwood当时的情况不符。他指出,关键证据缺失,且现场遗留的证据与警方的说法存在矛盾。他怀疑警方在包庇某些人。 Mike Boettcher & Bob Sands: 工会雇佣的独立事故调查员A.O. Pipkin的调查结果表明,Karen Silkwood的车祸可能并非单纯的单车事故,而是受到了其他车辆的撞击。Pipkin的调查结果与警方的说法相悖,他认为车祸并非单纯的意外。 Mike Boettcher & Bob Sands: 警方后续调查中提出的Karen Silkwood服用药物导致事故的解释存在争议,缺乏确凿证据。警方的说法与其他证人的证词相矛盾,且缺乏足够的证据支持。 Mike Boettcher & Bob Sands: 警方对车祸的调查存在诸多疏漏,例如没有对车辆进行仔细检查。警方的调查不够全面和彻底,存在诸多疑点。 Mike Boettcher & Bob Sands: 警方坚持认为车祸是单车事故,并认为Karen Silkwood在驾驶时睡着了。警方的说法缺乏足够的证据支持,且与其他证人的证词相矛盾。 Mike Boettcher & Bob Sands: FBI的调查结论认为车祸没有他杀,但其调查过程受到质疑,被认为偏袒Kerr-McGee和政府官员。FBI的调查不够独立和客观,存在偏袒嫌疑。 Karen Pipkin Guerrero: A.O. Pipkin坚信Karen Silkwood的死并非单纯的意外,并因此受到威胁。他一直坚持自己的调查结果,并认为Karen Silkwood的死因另有隐情。 Mike Boettcher & Bob Sands: 私家侦探Joe Royer调查了Karen Silkwood是否在死前受到监视的可能性。他的调查主要集中在俄克拉荷马城警察局是否参与了对Karen Silkwood的监视。 Mike Boettcher & Bob Sands: Joe Royer找到了一位证人,证实俄克拉荷马城警察局拥有进行窃听的设备,并可能进行过非法窃听。Joe Royer的调查虽然没有得出确凿结论,但为案件提供了新的线索。 Mike Boettcher & Bob Sands: Joe Royer在调查过程中受到威胁,并因此搬家。这表明,对Karen Silkwood死亡原因的调查可能存在危险。 Mike Boettcher & Bob Sands: 警官Larry Dellinger在调查中获悉,一些俄克拉荷马城警察局的警员可能参与了Karen Silkwood的谋杀案。Larry Dellinger的调查为案件提供了新的线索,但最终没有得出确凿结论。 Mike Boettcher & Bob Sands: OSBI和俄克拉荷马城警察局对Larry Dellinger提供的关于警员参与谋杀的信息没有给出回应。这表明,官方对案件的调查不够积极和彻底。 Larry Dellinger: Larry Dellinger认为Karen Silkwood的死是谋杀,凶手逍遥法外。他认为,案件的真相被掩盖了,正义没有得到伸张。 Steve Watka: Steve Watka对Kerr-McGee直接参与谋杀的可能性表示怀疑,认为更有可能是内部员工所为。他认为,Kerr-McGee没有必要直接参与谋杀,因为他们可以采取其他方式来处理Karen Silkwood。 Mike Boettcher & Bob Sands: 播客节目将对Karen Silkwood车祸进行新的事故调查分析,并与她的家人分享结果。节目组希望通过新的调查,能够最终解开这个谜团。

Deep Dive

Key Insights

Why did the investigators believe Karen Silkwood's car might have been forced off the road?

Accident investigator A.O. Pipkin found that Karen's car crossed the center line and veered off the left side of the road, which typically indicates an impact from another vehicle rather than a sleepy driver drifting to the right.

What evidence suggested that another vehicle might have been involved in Karen Silkwood's crash?

Pipkin noted damage to the left rear of Karen's car, including a dent with metal particles that could have come from another vehicle. He also observed tire tracks suggesting the car lost control before leaving the road, possibly due to an impact.

Why did the Oklahoma State Highway Patrol conclude that Karen fell asleep at the wheel?

Trooper Rick Fagan found no skid marks at the crash site and believed Karen had fallen asleep, as her car made no attempt to steer or brake before crashing. The Highway Patrol doubled down on this conclusion, even suggesting she was under the influence of Quaaludes.

What was the role of private investigator Joe Royer in the Silkwood case?

Royer was hired to investigate whether Karen had been surveilled before her death. He focused on the Oklahoma City Police Department, suspecting they might have illegally wiretapped her calls, but he never found conclusive evidence.

What did A.O. Pipkin's investigation reveal about the crash?

Pipkin concluded that Karen was not asleep at the wheel and that the crash likely involved another vehicle. He found the car's trajectory and damage inconsistent with a sleepy driver scenario and suggested an impact from behind.

Why did Karen Pipkin Guerrero keep the bumper from Karen Silkwood's car?

Her father, A.O. Pipkin, believed the bumper was crucial evidence and asked her to keep it before he died. He thought the case was important enough to pass the bumper down to her as a safeguard for future investigation.

What challenges did investigators face in reopening the Silkwood case?

The original investigators faced skepticism, threats, and limited cooperation from law enforcement. Pipkin received death threats, and Joe Royer suspected his family was being followed, leading him to move to Florida to protect them.

What did Larry Dellinger's investigation into Karen Silkwood's death uncover?

Dellinger heard allegations that off-duty Oklahoma City police officers, working security for Kerr-McGee, may have run Karen off the road in a police car. However, his investigation was ultimately inconclusive, and no charges were filed.

Why did Steve Watko doubt the official explanation of Karen Silkwood's death?

Watko found inconsistencies in the evidence, such as missing documents and the car's trajectory, which didn't align with the sleepy driver theory. He believed the investigation was being mishandled and that foul play might have been involved.

What new evidence will the investigators re-examine in the Silkwood case?

The investigators plan to re-examine the bumper, along with photographs, diagrams, and original accident reports from Pipkin's investigation. They hope advanced technology might reveal new insights into the crash.

Shownotes Transcript

Three investigators tried to solve the mystery of what happened to Karen Silkwood on that dark highway the night of November 13th, 1974. An accident investigator hired by the union believed so strongly that Karen’s car had been forced off the road that he saved the bumper as evidence, handing it down to his daughter on his deathbed. A private eye pieced together a theory that Silkwood was under surveillance. And a state trooper launched his own investigation inside law enforcement. They all hit dead ends. Or did they?

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