Matt Gaetz Sex Allegations Was A Honeypot Operation! w/ Ian Carroll
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Jimmy Dore, it's Vince Vaughn. Reporting live on the ground. It's Double V on the scene. Live, as I stated earlier. Well, hello, friends of the show, Vince Vaughn. Where are you reporting from? Jimmy, I'm here at a Motel 6 some distance away from Mar-a-Lago in South Florida. Where are you right now? Where are you reporting from? I'm in the studio, Vince. You called me here. And what are you doing at Mar-a-Lago or near?

Right. Okay, that makes perfect sense now that you say that. To answer your question, this is one of the only hotel rooms in a 30-mile radius of Mar-a-Lago that was available. Normally, Jimmy, and I shouldn't even have to say this, but I'm a three-and-a-half-star man at the bare minimum. Three, maybe, if there are extenuating circumstances. Why are all the hotel rooms gone? I don't get it.

I see.

It's all about connections and who you know. Right now it's DC with palm trees down here. And VVV is in the mix himself. That means me, baby. Wait, what do you mean, Vince? I want to be a part of the fucking Trump administration. What? How? Come on, man. Look at this clown car already. Dr. Oz. Dr. Phil, probably. I bet you a million dollar Hulk Hogan's going to get something. Pfft.

Gene Simmons, I want in, bitch. You gotta get down here, Jimmy. It's like a gold rush. No thanks. Do you have a particular post in mind?

I don't know. I might want to pitch a new one. Sort of freestyle my own government agency. I'm not sure. I haven't really thought it through to a full degree. I've been mainly concerned with travel and lodging issues. But the very fact that I got those logistics figured out implies that I am cut out to have my own government agency, or at least recklessly cut an old one in half. Right.

But as a libertarian in Hollywood, Jimmy, I'm in a sea of leftists and liberals every day. It's fucking sickening. And the influence that they have through their movies is unfair. It's un-American. They will be working day and night to counter the efforts of the Trump administration. Seems to me that the Donald would want some sort of government apparatus keeping an eye on them. And that apparatus is fucking me. You mean like a spy, like Donald Trump's Hollywood spy?

No, no, not a spy per se. I want to keep it very above board, very legit. I don't want cloak and dagger shit happening that would undermine the credibility of my agency or committee or whatever. Well, what would you do?

I would monitor these leftists, these commies in Hollywood, these fucking commies engaged in anti-MAGA sentiments and activities and proclivities and keep files and reports on them, make them testify before Congress if I have to, to get them to spill the beans on their fellow anti-MAGA agitators. What would you call it?

I don't know. I mean, we're going after un-American sort of activities, like I said. So the Un-American Activities Committee or agency depends on how on the books our funding ends up actually being. Vince, it sounds like you're combining the worst aspects of Hoover's FBI and McCarthyism.

McCarthyism? You mean Jenny McCarthyism? That thing where you're hot for a few years and kind of funny, but then you just go away forever? No, Vince, I mean Joseph McCarthyism. Okay, what is that? Who is that? I'll bite. Shine a light on this for me, baby.

It's a long story, but Joe McCarthy was a senator in the 1950s who turned an investigation of communists into a massive witch hunt for which he was later disgraced. Oh, oh, oh, okay. Got it. And that's bad? Yeah, he does not have a good reputation.

Okay, how about this? And be honest, because I have a meeting with Don Jr.'s assistant tomorrow that I got through Owen Wilson's old Coke dealer. How about this? The anti-MAGA watchdog agency. Woof, woof, bitch. I think that'll do fine for the purposes of your meeting, Vince.

Thanks, buddy. Man, you got to get down here. Fortune is favoring the bold like a motherfucker. I bet you could get a meeting through some of your connections. You could do media shit or be part of the agency that will be created to spy on whatever RFK Jr. is doing in his agency. That's great, Vince, but I think I'm where I belong right here.

Suit yourself. Hey, if all goes well tomorrow, maybe I'll be in a position where you could bribe me. Bribe you to do what?

I don't know. I'm just spitballing here. The possibilities are presenting themselves faster than I could even contemplate them. We could do mini bribes where you pay me like five bucks and I call Trump and then immediately hang up. Just goofball shit like that. It could be fun. Okay, now we're talking. All right, Vince, it's been fun, but I got to go.

All right, JD. Red Falcon out. Oh, yeah. I forgot to tell you my code name is Red Falcon. Remember that, Jimmy. Red Falcon means me, if you hear it.

I'm going to tell you the real story behind the sexual charge of Matt Gaetz. So Matt Gaetz doesn't take the donor money. He's not funded by Israel. He's an actual reformer.

He's an outlier inside the Republican Party. And so they try to get rid of him. And what are the first thing you do is you launch a sexual misconduct charge. And so this woman, Mel, village crazy lady on Twitter, this is quite the story.

So, all right, friends, now that Matt Gaetz is out of the running, you're going to hear a lot of takes on what's happening and plenty of keep your D in your pants. And when that all went, well, that's always good advice. The story I'm about to share goes way beyond anything you could possibly imagine.

So if you're interested in the whole story consolidated in one place of what really happened with and two gates, take a seat and let me tell you a story. So the story begins in the fall of 2019 in Florida with this man, Joel Greenberg. At the time, Joel Greenberg was 2.5 years, two and a half years into his first term as the tax collector for Seminole County. So I'm just going to jump to the end and then I'll fill in the blanks.

This guy is also in charge of issuing driver's licenses in Florida. And so he issued driver's licenses to 17 year old girls saying that they were 18, 19, 20 years old. And then said that Matt Gates had sex with one of those. But even though he was doing that. So that's the so here's the rest of the story.

Greenberg is your classic rich kid who drinks through life lighting fires everyone else is forced to put out, never landing hard because daddy's money always catches his fall. You know the type. We all do. And Joel approaches his role as tax collector no different than any other. By fall 2019, Seminole County was awash with rumors about the federal investigation into Greenberg's crypto scam with tax collector dollars.

These rumors inspired a local music teacher, Brian Butte, to throw his hat into the ring and challenge Greenberg in the Republican primary slated for the following year. Despite the many advantages Greenberg held over Butte in the race, incumbency, wealth, name recognition, etc., Greenberg's significant criminal activity as tax collector likely contributed to him becoming obsessed with destroying Butte both publicly and privately. So this guy...

is the criminal and he's being challenged by Butte and he decides to try to destroy the guy because he knows he has a criminal back this guy has a criminal background

So throughout late 2019 and into 2020, Greenberg rolled out a series of ever escalating smear tactics targeting Butte. They started rather typical labeling Butte, who is from Michigan, as a carpetbagger, but they grew increasingly vicious. He created fake Facebook profiles pretending to be Butte students, leaving comments on public posts trashing Butte as an awful teacher and a pervert.

Last year, the page posted an attack on Greenberg's primary opponent, titled Creepy Brian Butte. The stalking charge against Greenberg alleges that he used a pseudonym to send letters to the middle school where Butte is a teacher.

falsely claiming that Butte had a sexual relationship with a student. Greenberg allegedly set up fake Facebook page making the same charge and set up a fake Twitter account in Butte's name promoting white supremacy. So this guy was going all out. Okay, this all comes back to Matt Gaetz. This is all going to come back to Matt Gaetz. Greenberg's antics finally reached an apex when he mailed handwritten letters

to the administration at the school where Butte taught, accusing him of sexually assaulting the students. Greenberg probably didn't expect those letters to be taken so seriously or else he would have likely been a little more careful. But alas, he was not. And when the letters were turned over to the local sheriff's office, both his fingerprints...

And his DNA were lifted from those letters. And he was arrested on June 23rd, 2020 and charged by the Department of Justice with stalking. At the time of this arrest, Greenberg's phone was confiscated and searched. And believe it or not, this is where his real legal troubles began on his cell phone.

And later home computers, police found evidence of Greenberg committing damn near every crime in the book. Drugs, prostitution, identity theft, wire fraud, crypto market manipulation. But the silver tuna was a series of messages.

that occurred in the late spring through early fall 2017 between Greenberg and then 17-year-old girl discussing, among other things, their many sexcapades around Florida and beyond.

Further investigation revealed that from December 26th through December 2018, Joel Greenberg was a customer on a sugar daddy website where he solicited various women for sex and escort services. This is where he met the aforementioned 17 year old girl.

One of the individuals Greenberg paid for commercial sex acts was a minor under the age of 18 for part time when Greenberg paid her to engage in commercial sex acts with him and others referred to her in as the minor. Greenberg met the minor over the Internet on the Web site. The minor had an account on the Web site in which the minor represented that she was an adult.

All told, Mr. Greenberg spent 70 grand on hookers he met on the sugar daddy website, much of which he paid for with the government issued American Express card. He had an online account at a website that advertised itself as a place where sugar daddies could find sugar babies.

Greenberg used at least four accounts to pay for commercial sex acts. His personal Venmo account, his personal American Express account, his American Express account at the tax collector's office, and his personal Fifth Third Bank account. From December 2016 to December 2018, Greenberg used those accounts to conduct more than 150 financial transactions totaling over $70,000, all of which involved Greenberg paying women for commercial sex acts using those accounts.

This all comes back to Matt Gaetz. In August 2020, the Department of Justice charged Greenberg with sex trafficking of a minor, identity theft and production of false identification documents, among other things. Turns out in Florida, the Office of County Tax Collector doesn't just collect taxes. They also issue driver licenses and state IDs.

And Mr. Greenberg had taken full advantage of this privilege during his time in office. Greenberg had not only created multiple false Florida ID cards for himself, he also created a fake ID for his underage lover after finding out that she had been lying to him about her age. So it's right there. They discovered evidence that Mr. Greenberg, whose job responsibilities included issuing licenses, was creating fake identification cards for himself and a teenage girl.

And this is where Matt Gaetz comes into the story. So there's Greenberg and there's Matt Gaetz and there's Roger Stone. From what I can gather, Gaetz and Greenberg became acquainted at some point in the first half of 2017. The first public record of them associated on a private level comes from this picture posted on Twitter on July 8th, 2017, with none other than Roger Stone.

I think it's safe to say that the two did become friends. How good of friends? That's up for debate. But there was a relationship. OK. After getting arrested in June 2020, at some point, Mr. Greenberg, lawyer, approaches Bill Barr's Department of Justice with a proposition. He claims he can provide evidence that a sitting congressman, Matt Gaetz, had engaged in sex acts with a minor.

Bill Barr's. So this is Greenberg trying to get a deal for himself. So Bill Barr's Department of Justice then proceeds to open a secret investigation into these allegations. That remains a secret until it's leaked the next spring on March 30th, 2021, by The New York Times. Wonder why part three. But this is the same Matt Gaetz that says Bill Barr was in on the Jeffrey Epstein murder.

That's the same. So the United States, see what's happening? Part three, the man in Iran. Listen to this. Faithful viewers of Tucker Carlson were treated to a peek behind the D.C. curtain on a random Tuesday night in late March 2021. Do you remember this when Matt Gaetz was first? When this leaked, Matt Gaetz goes on Tucker Carlson and he tells this what seemed like a bizarre story of his father-in-law being extorted for $25 million. Yeah.

Remember that? And everybody thought, like, Matt Gaetz seems crazy. But here's the story. Earlier that day, the New York Times had released a bombshell story alleging that the Department of Justice had opened an official investigation into Matt Gaetz over allegations he had engaged in sex with an underage girl. Following Tucker's opening monologue, he introduced Matt Gaetz...

and gave him free reign to tell his side of the story. Anyone watching is unlikely to soon forget the absolute bizarre story that Gates proceeded to tell. It involved a $25 million extortion threat against his father. Oh, sorry, not his father-in-law. His father to help free an American hostage in Iran. What?

That would then be paid back with a presidential pardon for Gates on all these sex charges. What? Gates demanded that the FBI release the tapes they had in their possession of the recordings made by his father in interviews with his extortionists. He didn't hesitate for a second to name the alleged extortionist. The name was David McGee.

He said he was a former prosecutor for the Northern District of Florida who now worked at the prestigious Biggs and Lane law firm in Pensacola. There's that guy.

That's the guy who was trying to extort $25 million out of Matt Gaetz's father that they were then going to use to get this guy out of Iran. But then the president would pay that back by giving him a pardon for the sex crimes that they're ginning up against him. You see how this works? Okay. He was resolute and unafraid when talking, and yet he sounded like an absolute lunatic. I know. I was watching live. I wasn't the only one. I know. Me too.

Tucker was clearly extremely annoyed and unconvinced by the end. And yet three and a half years later, I know now that everything Matt Gaetz said was true. Bob Levinson was the man in Iran, this guy Bob Levinson. The official story about Bob Levinson is that he was a retired FBI agent who was contracted by a semi-off-the-book CIA unit to run covert operations in Iran.

He was kidnapped from Kish Island following a meeting with an American fugitive living in Iran that had been arranged by former NBC producer named Ira Silverman. This thread is already long enough, so I'm not going to speculate on what I think, but there's plenty out there if you want to go chasing rabbits.

So Levinson gets kidnapped in March 2007, and his disappearance was acknowledged by George Bush in June of 2007 as concerning. But no one from the federal government will admit that Levinson was working for the CIA. Unbeknownst to anyone at the time, from 2009 to 2011, the FBI was running its own covert operation to get their retired agent back.

And they had devised an ingenious plan to keep the whole thing off the books. They contracted with a Russian billionaire, Oleg Derpaska, to pay for the rescue mission, $20 million in total, in exchange for a fast-tracked green card for Derpaska and his family. You see how this all works? Amazing!

Enter David McGee. During his time at the Department of Justice, McGee worked as an organized crime task force. That's how he knew Bob Levinson, who specialized in Russian money laundering. McGee became a liaison between the Levinson family and Derpaska.

See this? Now let me just step right here and say this whole thing is nuts and stinks to high heaven. To make matters worse, who was the FBI point man for the Deripaska deal? Andrew McCabe. Yes, that Andrew McCabe. You know the one from the FBI who got caught with his text messages and lying about all that stuff. And the Russiagate, the Andrew McCabe Russiagate guy.

Anyway, the FBI team gets a couple proof of life videos, meaning that Levinson's still alive, and they have a soft arranged in place. When the Clinton State Department steps in and shuts the whole thing down, something got them spooked, and it's never been disclosed what it was. But after 2011, Levinson is never heard from again. All along, the Iranians deny any involvement in his disappearance.

So eventually the CIA gets desperate and a handful of classified documents confirming Levinson's contact with the CIA are leaked to the AP in December 2012. Still, the Iranians don't budge. This was surprising because at this point they no longer have any reason to lie. The Americans weren't lying anymore. Time to start negotiations. But nope, the news was greeted with radio silence.

Years go by and no more pictures or videos ever arrive. And then comes the Iranian nuclear deal of 2016. Unbeknownst to most, the Obama team had negotiated the release of four Americans being held in Iran in exchange for the U.S. dropping charges against seven Iranian nationals for sanctions violations. Bob Levinson was not one of those Americans.

The American Jewish community was furious. They already saw the Iranian deal as a stab in the back to Israel, but when the word broke about the prisoner exchange and Bob Levinson wasn't on the list, many took it as a deliberate portrayal of American Jews too.

Fast forward some more. Trump takes office, cancels the nuclear deal. Christine Levinson sues Iran and U.S. courts and is awarded $1.2 billion judgment in January 2020. And in March 2020, the U.S. government declares Bob Levinson legally dead. Case closed, right? Wrong.

At some point in the summer of 2020, a former Air Force intelligence officer named Bob Kent claims to have received news from his network in Iraq, alleging that Bob Levinson was still alive. Kent even claims he received pictures to prove it. So Kent contacts David McGee, who then tells Kent about the last privately funded search and rescue for Levinson. And that's when Kent hatches the plan to rob

Don Gates into paying for this. So Matt Gates, his father, into paying for the new rescue mission.

So now I know what you are all wondering. How did these men know about the Matt Gaetz investigation? How did all these people know that the Department of Justice was investigating Matt Gaetz? To my knowledge, that has never been revealed. If I had to guess, I'd say someone in the Department of Justice or FBI leaked that info to McGee, who then told Kent about it when he was contacted. But that still only have the...

That's not, okay. This is the part of the story where I start spiraling. I start wondering just how long this plan had been in the works. Nothing adds up, but for now, I'll spare you my suspicions and stick to what I know. Part three, the grand plan.

In March 16th, 2021, when Don Gates, Matt Gaetz's father, receives the first text message from Bob Kent about his grand plan in exchange for Don fronting Mr. Kent's rescue mission of Bob Levinson, unnamed agents with a powerful contact in the Biden administration would convince the president to give Don's son, Matt Gaetz, a full presidential pardon on his looming sex trafficking charges.

The price, $25 million. I wish I had a picture of Don Gates' face when he read that. You're going to have to pay us $25 million. Naturally, Gates Sr. was incredulous. What in the world was this man talking about? Matt wasn't facing any sex trafficking charges. Don called Matt, who immediately told him to contact the local FBI office.

The FBI suggested that Don meet with David McGeehy wearing a wire and Don agreed. However, just before the meeting took place, Don requested a written acknowledgement from the FBI on the purpose of this investigation and meeting.

He was worried something he said could be used against Matt in the case they still didn't know anything about. The FBI was reluctant at first, but they eventually agreed. The very next day, the New York Times ran the leak on the Department of Justice case against Matt against Gates. There it is. Going back and watching the Tucker Gates interview again this week, everything he said finally made sense. The FBI had planned to use Don's meeting with McGee against Matt.

The quasi-immunity demand from Don quashed that, so they leaked the story to the New York Times and then buried the wiretapes. McGee and Kent denied everything. They said there was no extortion. It was a simple proposition. They accused Matt of using this to distract from his charges. Oh, really? Then why'd they just, where's the wiretap then? Where is it?

Former Air Force intelligence officer accused of trying to extort Matt Gaetz breaks silence to admit he did ask congressman's father for $25 million, but says it was to rescue an American hostage, Robert Levinson, in Iran.

But wait, there's more, because this story wasn't already weird enough. Here's another twist. So at the same time that Don Gates was getting those messages from Kent and McGee, Scott Adams, yeah, the Dilbert guy, he receives a message from an acquaintance of his named Jacob Novak, who works as the media director for the Israeli consulate.

The first one arrives the Saturday before the story breaks. Here's the first one. It says, scoop, I can't report. Representative Gates is the subject of a secret grand jury probe of sex with minors and possibly murder conspiracy. I trust the source. Charges accusations apparently very credible. This is to Scott. What?

This is amazing, right? The next two arrived on Wednesday the 31st after Getz went on Tucker and revealed David McGee's name to the world.

I don't want to believe him, but my sources said it looks bad from closer in. I'm betting against it, but the extortion counterclaim sounds credible. Has witnesses apparently. The backstory is this is screwing up my efforts to free Bob Levinson. Gates' dad was secretly finding us. Finding us? I'm going to say. So I'm very much wanting this to be untrue. I've got a commando team leader friend of mine nervously waiting for wire transfers to clear.

They have documents? Yes. Some numbers and facts have been altered. The real documents do not extort. And we only asked for $25 million as an estimate at first. We came way down. To his credit, the whole thing was sketchy as hell to Scott Adams. So he took it upon himself to release Novak's messages. The Israeli consulate immediately distanced themselves from Novak's messages, but he was not fired or disciplined. Okay.

One more slide.

Here's the wrap up. So Joel Greenberg pled guilty. You remember the guy, the tax collector who had the pain, all the women for sex on sugar daddy.com and issuing fake licenses to underage girls saying they were of age. Joel Greenberg, he pled guilty to sex trafficking, identity fraud, wire fraud, and a host of other charges in May of 2021. He was sentenced to 11 years in prison and 10 of those years are coming from the mandatory minimum imposed by the sex trafficking charge.

The Department of Justice did not close its case against Matt Gaetz until October of 2022. They never publicly acknowledged why he was not charged, although it becomes fairly obvious once you learn that Joel Greenberg had produced fake IDs for the underage girl in question.

How can you convict someone of statutory rape when this woman was using a real state Florida driver's license to present as being of age?

So, of course, because it's the swamp, that's not where Matt's troubles ended. So what it looks like to me, Ian, is that maybe Matt Gaetz did have some kind of sex with an underage girl, but that she he was set up by this Greenberg because he gave the underage girl a fake ID that it's a real idea wasn't fake.

It was a real ID that said she was a maid. So that complicates the problem. That's why they can't prosecute. Does that make sense to you? Absolutely. I mean, that's the story is so crazy. And I saw it pass through my Twitter feed and I saved it and didn't have time to read through it all. So I'm super glad that you just did. So there's just that's like.

Go ahead. Yeah, yeah, finish it up. Let me just finish it. So, but of course, because it's the swamp, that's not where Matt's troubles ended. The snakes in D.C. were going to milk that investigation for all it's worth. And when Gates went for McCarthy during the speaker fight, McCarthy and his allies plotted carefully to get their revenge.

So now they got this over him. So this guy's a wild card, just like they would do to Bernie. And the FBI threatened to prosecute his wife, allegedly. Just like that. This is how they control everybody. Right. That's why they have P. Diddy parties. That's why they have Jeffrey Epstein.

So we saw the culmination of that plotting on full display today. There are still lots of unanswered questions. Who is the we that Jacob Novak referenced in his text to Scott Adams? Who leaked that info about the Gates case to Bob Kent? Was Joel Greenberg running a honeypot scheme? If so, for who?

Sure would be nice to get an attorney general in office who actually gave a damn about answering any of those questions. So that guy, Joel Greenberg, who's in prison, was he running a honeypot? Did he do that to set up Matt Gaetz? Looks like it. So go ahead, Ian. You take it where you want. I was just going to say that this is a textbook example of how quickly...

Things get complicated when you overlay covert intelligence operations that are segmented into just infinite amounts of compartmentalized information. And you cross that with corrupt bureaucrats and deep state actors that have all of their own agendas. And you wind up with like covert programs that go south. Then there's people that need things that no one can talk about. And then there's corrupt individuals trying to find things.

off-the-book solutions using their corrupt power networks within compartmentalized intelligence networks. And pretty soon you wind up with people blackmailing people for rescue missions that aren't supposed to exist, for extortion money that is illegal. And it sounds insane, but the more you learn about the history of the CIA and just how intelligence agencies and government actually work, it just sounds more and more like a

you know, a rerun of last episode. That's insane. So do you think, so that's, so the theory here, this is an amazing Twitter thread by a Mel. And I remember I was watching Tucker Carlson or I saw that maybe I saw the video of Matt Gates on Tucker Carlson because it was such a crazy, bizarre thing. It was like, it sounded like Matt Gates was full on bat shit. Crazy.

Yeah. But now we know before we knew nearly as much about him too. Yeah. We didn't know anything about Matt Gates at the time. So the, the media is always smearing him. And of course, so he goes up against whenever he goes up against power, they pulled this shit out. So now I bet they pulled this shit out again and they said, Hey, but you did have sex with an underage girl, even though you can't be convicted of it because a jury wouldn't find you guilty because this guy set you up with a real Florida ID. Yeah.

that said she was older. There's a bigger question there, too, that you were alluding to just a second ago. Put the pieces together here. How did this underage girl get into Matt Gaetz's orbit and essentially get

into a sexual relationship with him. And the only thing that ties all these pieces together is the dude making the fake IDs that was also soliciting a whole bunch of sex from girls that are working on this website. And so if this girl is working on this website soliciting sex and this guy gets a fake ID for her and he obviously knows that she's underage and then somehow that girl that he's related, like just happens to be the girl that Matt Gates solicited,

has sex with and that happens to be tied to this other scandal that this guy is tied to like I think you're right that that starts to point towards potentially there being some sort of honeypot either single operation or a bigger organization going on because we all know that DC is full of honeypot and blackmail operations for this exact purpose exactly

Because it's not like a senator, like Matt Gaetz isn't just like inherently interacting with a whole bunch of 18-year-old girls in his daily life. It's not like there's a whole lot of them walking through his normal daily routine. So the question is, how did she get into his daily routine and who put her there? And is there something else behind that coincidence? How old is Matt Gaetz? I'm also curious when he married Ginger Gaetz. He's 42.

So he's not the best look. So he was like late 30s when this. So, OK, so I'm so it's not a crazy theory to think that a this everything that but also that they then use this because the establishment does not want Matt Gaetz to.

The Mossad doesn't want Matt Gaetz. Bill Barr, the people who killed Jeffrey Epstein, do not want Matt Gaetz as the attorney general. So they're going to do anything and everything, and they're going to use all the blackmail and compromise that they have to get him out of and withdraw his nomination. And I bet that's what they're going to say. Hey.

it doesn't matter if you can be convicted or not. We're going to release the report that has this 17, this girl saying you had sex with her when she was 17. We're going to put her on 60 minutes and your whole character and life is going to be over. Yeah. And like, let's remember, so I just looked it up. This is, so Matt Gaetz got married after this incident allegedly happened. And so he was single at the time and this girl was working on an, like on a prostitution website. So she's clearly married.

willingly using her sex for money, right? Right. And so I think it seems highly likely that Matt was probably approached by her. And I'm speculating, but she's clearly willing to. It's not like she's an unwilling. Yeah, the way a honeypot operation works. And so when Matt Gaetz as a single man is approached by a like

apparently attractive young woman who is presenting as being over 18. There's no crime there on his part at that time. And so they need, they need it to be an underage girl. So it's like an interesting coincidence that the underage girl that has happens to have the fake ID just happens to be the one like, that's kind of weird. Yeah. Welcome to one nation under blackmail, everybody. And that's why he was so, you know, um,

He was so confident about it and wanted to talk about the extortion of his father for 25. He was like, I didn't have to do this. That girl was a bad. Sorry. I was a real ID. That whole thing. And and and yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And it says even more about why I think people, regular people were so excited about Matt Gaetz as a G. And it says even more about why there was so much uproar against Matt Gaetz because in the same way that Tulsi is an amazing pick for DNI because she has been targeted by

The former DNI, so to speak, Matt Gaetz would be an amazing pick for AG because he has been targeted by this corrupt institution already. That's that. There you go. So so just like they put Tulsi in charge of the agency that had been targeting her and following her around through airports and putting her on a terrorist watch list. Now she's in charge of that agency. It would have been amazing to have Matt Gaetz be in charge of that agency that did this whole slimy thing to him.

And they are going to do this because he's going to go after the people involved in the Epstein. He's going to expose the Mossad. He's going to expose the rot inside the Department of Justice. He's going to expose all this criminality inside the FBI. He's going to do that.

And that's also telling Jimmy that Matt Gaetz was the only pick from Trump so far that you could really point to and say he is anti Zionist in any major way. Like he was the only one that was not taking the money openly speaking about Epstein and, and, and openly like,

He was the one. And so I was really excited about it. And so it's a funny coincidence that that's the guy that gets the sex scandal targeted at him, just like every other... Israel is the sexual blackmail nation. And it just so happens that the anti-Israel guy gets some weird blackmail sex scandal. ♪

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Because people are getting their news from social media instead of public TV. Quick one, but a fun one. Here she is.

that's changed even since I got involved in politics is just the rise of the percentage of people who get their information off of platforms that have no fact-checking mechanism and no accountability for having disinformation spread, right? And as you know well, and I mean, when I got started in democratic politics, you know, most of it was like local TV ads. That was what it was about. Obviously national TV, local print.

Those local TV is held to a higher standard of accountability than social media platforms in terms of having accurate information. Go ahead. Okay. You can't get, like I said at the Rumble Time show, you can't have lower accountability than zero. Yeah. What accountability? There wasn't a thing they didn't lie about when it came to COVID. There wasn't a thing that, Russiagate was one big company

conspiracy theory that was fake and made up. And it was made up by the media, by the CIA, the FBI, the NSA, and the Clinton campaign. And then the media just repeated. It was all made up. It dominated the news for at least four or five years. It's still in the news. It's all completely made up.

And they lied about Syria. They lied about Iraq twice. They lied about Libya. They lied about Afghanistan for 20 straight years. And now they're currently lying about Ukraine, which is why people aren't in the streets. So what is she talking about a level of accountability? Go ahead.

Yeah, she's also ignoring the consolidation of the news business. These local stations are usually owned by conglomerates now. They've done video compilations of all these local stations across the country,

saying literally exactly the same words about exactly the same story. And I think that's what she means by local stations, there's accountability. Yeah, there's accountability to whatever propaganda the parent company wants you to parrot. You've seen those videos where 50

50 anchors on the screen under whatever Sinclair Broadcasting saying literally the exact same talking point on whatever issue they're covering. All right, we'll let this play a little more. Local print. Local TV is held to a higher standard of accountability than social media platforms in terms of having accurate information on their platforms. Not in terms of having accurate information, in terms of parroting what the parent company wants the local news to say. Exactly.

Accuracy is not the standard. It's whatever the line is from down high, from on high. That's the standard. Well, the ultimate irony in this segment of what she's saying here, and by the way, I like that her wall matches my shirt. What I'm saying, the ultimate irony is what she's saying right here is actual misinformation. There is no accountability. That's a lie. There's absolutely no accountability ever

And they'll never correct their lies. They're never going to correct their lies about masks. They're never going to correct their lies about ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine or the efficacy. None of their lies are ever going to be corrected. So that's the irony that what she's saying right here is a lie and misinformation.

Yeah. And at the end, whoever edited this video put in an example of her lying. This was this was one of the more famous incidents where Biden checked his watch during a ceremony or something. And she came out and said he didn't. Somebody edited that into this, which we'll see.

And so it is how does it change? How is it? How is it? How are people held to account? Laws have to change. I want to ask you about one thing that's gotten some attention this week from the book, which was a story you told about President Biden looking at his watch after caskets had come back from Afghanistan.

The story was not told completely accurately, which you've acknowledged. I know some of the folks, including some of the families of those soldiers who were upset by that. Yeah. So they edited that in. She says there, you know, laws have to change. You know, first of all, what kind of law? Yeah.

When someone like Jen Psaki says misinformation, what she means is narrative control. She wants the narrative control to be managed by people like her. When she goes and lies in her book, no accountability because she's working on behalf of the establishment. That is her idea of misinformation. If you have a counter-narrative, if you have a narrative that's not approved by people like Jen Psaki, it's misinformation.

So when you lie at the behest of the establishment, there's never a price to pay. But when you tell the truth that goes against the establishment, that's when you get in big trouble. And that's what they're upset about. Again, they're always pretending that they want to protect us from misinformation, which is what every dictator says.

that we're protecting you from the outside bad people's information. And it's not the lies that bother them. It's the truth that bothers them. That's what I say constantly on this show. You don't get in trouble for lying. You get a $30 million contract like Rachel Maddow, which is $100,000 a day to lie at the

Look at all the lies they told about January 6th, all the lies they told about Donald Trump. Look at all the lies they told about lawfare that they're using against Donald Trump. I mean, there's a trillion-dollar media complex invented to lie. That's what their mainstream – that's their purpose. Anyway, so –

Again, what she wants to crack down on is the truth. She doesn't want to crack down on lies. Yeah, what's really kind of exciting and invigorating about this election result, and I admit I didn't really see this coming. I was much more pessimistic about this, as I tend to be. But, you know, like this alternative media space, this independent media space, this whole podcast space that we're in,

has gained a lot of power, more than even I thought. I mean, I always thought this was important. Otherwise, I wouldn't be doing it if I didn't think it was important. But I always thought we were at the end of the day still not quite at that point where we could actually overtake the cable news and actually overtake the, you know, papers of record, if you will, like the Times and the Washington Post. But it seems like

This election results really signals that we have we have broken through in that way, which is exciting. I mean, it makes me feel like this is this work that we do is more important than even I thought it was until pretty recently.

I mean, not ours, but yours. Well, I mean, uh, you know, uh, I do get anywhere between 18 and 25 million views a month. That's not nothing. Right. And that's my little show. And my, you know, uh,

my house. And, you know, then there's Joe Rogan, who gets 13 million, sometimes 50 million views per episode, like when he has on someone like Donald Trump, that there is no, I mean, CNN doesn't get 50 million views, you know, in a week. I mean, he gets them in one episode. And I mean, I'm talking about they're on 24 hours a day. They don't get that kind of

And so, yeah, you got Tucker Carlson, you got Joe Rogan, you got the gray zone, you got you guys, you got, I'm just talking about people that are actually have an anti-establishment narrative. I'm not talking about the Young Turks or the David Pakmans or the MSNBC contract people. I'm talking about people who actually have an anti-establishment narrative and who don't back a particular political party.

You know, you got Tucker Carlson's. You got, you know, I know you guys are hard on Russell Brand. I still think he does great segments. I watch his show all the time. You got Glenn Greenwald. Glenn Greenwald. I mean, I can't stop watching his show. His show and your show are my two favorites. And so and then and then there's guys I don't watch who are even bigger like that Dan Bongino guy.

Oh, yeah, that guy's really big, yeah. That guy just... He's mainly on Rumble, right? Yeah. He's only on Rumble. And he's... I mean, I don't... I have to admit, I know I never watch his show, but I see his numbers, and it blows my mind, right? So I'm sure he has the anti-Russiagate narrative. I'm sure he told the truth about January 6th. I don't know where he was on COVID, but I'm sure he was an establishment. I'm sure on Ukraine, I'm sure he's telling... You know, it's just... So...

Yeah, there's definitely been a sea change. And now even Mike Wallace is leaving. He was just trying to disparage Tucker Carlson by saying, well, I have a job and he doesn't. And now he's quitting. He wants to be a podcaster now, Chris Wallace. Imagine Chris Wallace reading Super Chats for a living. Okay, let's go to the chats. Yeah.

I would buy Super Chats for his show. What's his brand of hair dye? Yeah. You ever watch Sammy the Bull Gravano, the mob guy? He has a podcast, and you can see...

That you know he was always a pretty business smart kind of gangster so he gets out of jail and you can tell he got a bunch of kids around him to tell him what to do so he'll tell you a story about the night that they broke a guy's legs with a baseball bat and then at the end.

So if you like that story, don't forget to like and subscribe. This is what's so fucking amazing about this is that you got like channels that were either thrown off or demonetized after October 7th because they didn't condemn Hamas enough.

And so YouTube demonetized them or threw them off entirely for supporting violent criminal organizations. Meanwhile, you got literal mobsters on YouTube. Oh, yeah. Who built their whole channel around, so I fucked this guy up. I broke his leg to the base. Fully monetize everything. Everything. That's not what? That's not glorifying violent criminal activity. It's amazing. Well, I just want to ask you, do you feel a little bit more...

uh optimistic after your conversation with uh scott ritter than you did before he was talking about all of civilization getting sucked up into a nuclear cloud well that was when he first started he's talking about in in terms of of trump yeah i mean i know i'm kidding i'm kidding that was the beginning that was the beginning yeah that's jimmy this book

This will horrify you. This book behind me. Okay. Yeah. And I'm already horrified. I, uh, you know, yeah. I mean, look, I, my concern is, uh, you know, getting people's hopes up. This is why I didn't support Trump because then when he appoints Mike Huckabee, uh,

Right. To, you know, Ambassador Israel. I mean, that guy's a real fruitcake. And then when he sends Elise Stefanik to the U.N., then what do I got to answer for that? Like, I didn't want to have to answer for any of his shit. It doesn't mean I'm not hoping for the best. Of course I am. But I am really of the opinion that we're going to have to wait and see because I don't want to I don't want to pump anybody's hopes up and then be stuck having to.

Explain why. But obviously, I hope for the best. And I've said all along and I don't know if Ritter was joking or not when he said he got it from me. Maybe he was. Maybe he wasn't. But it is kind of weird that we use the exact same metaphor where I said Biden or Kamala is like playing Russian roulette with a fully loaded gun. We have absolutely no chance.

of not blowing your brains out and trump represents that one empty chamber that's been my take for two years i mean really uh so i mean i would i would stick with that for now i i think we're trading one group of psychos for another to be frank with you i i think we're going to go back to the kind of censorship that we're used to fighting the kind of censorship that comes from conservatives

religious nuts. Oh yeah, no. I'm just talking about on the nuclear war. On the specific thing we brought Scott in for. On the nuclear war thing, because they are not...

entrenched in that establishment deep state agenda. Yeah. It is the Russian roulette thing. Like, yeah, I agree with him that Harris, every road led to a nuclear war and this, you might avoid it. And in the end, you know, it's hard to debate censorship after you've been nuked. So you need not to be nuked. The,

They did this now because they've got 65 days left. This is where they were heading all along. It's very obvious this is where they were heading all along. They were never going to de-escalate. They were just going to march us right up to the line and probably over the line. This is why guys like Jose Vega have been going around screaming at the top of their lungs. What do you think he does that for his health? He does that because he's afraid.

of dying in a nuclear Holocaust. And that is, uh, that is a reasonable concern. It really is. It's not hyperbole. It's not the, you know, grandstanding it's it's real. Even on that level, you know, I've, I've said this for since October 7th, you get a guy like Huckabee for whom the Jews need to be in Israel as Jesus bait.

And, you know, is kind of a Christian accelerationist where wants the wants the apocalypse to come so that said Jesus will return. Well, what we're supposed to look at this and jump for joy. Yeah, it it was the best of two terrible options. I was under the impression end of days was a selling point.

What the hell are we doing here? We're not trying to get Jesus back. Exactly. Yeah.

So here's a video I saw. There's something happening weird over at Wikipedia with Bill Clinton and Epstein. Let's watch this. Dude, they're deleting Epstein connections off of Wikipedia right now. I was working on something for a little documentary today and went to go and look at Bill Clinton's Wikipedia page to get the number of times he flew on Epstein's plane. And it turns out that Epstein is only mentioned one time.

on Bill Clinton's Wikipedia page. And it's in the footnotes, in reference to Jennifer Epstein, Clinton family speeches netted as much as $26 million. Um, excuse me? So, I went to the Wayback Machine and found out when did they delete all of this. Because they used to mention Epstein 47 different times. Because there used to be a whole section about his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.

Which was, shall we say, extensive? And so it turns out, sometime on July 22nd, someone deleted all of Bill Clinton's connections to Jeffrey Epstein from Wikipedia. And ever since July 22nd of this year, no Wikipedia editor has saw fit to change that. That is despite...

numerous witnesses extensively documenting Bill Clinton's friendship with Epstein and his indulgence in the services. That is despite Bill Clinton threatening news publications for talking about it. Bill Clinton being photographed numerous times with his buddy. Bill Clinton being photographed with girls. Jeffrey Epstein literally had this painting of... So that's all I got.

That's all the video that I think maybe you got released or whatever. To Wikipedia's credit, some point after I posted that video, it changed back. And I don't know if I had anything to do with it. And I haven't looked into when it was changed back.

But now, so what happened, I dug more into it after that video and what they wound up doing at that time is they took the section for relationship with Jeffrey Epstein and they moved it to a separate Wikipedia page. So that way they could, because Wikipedia is like a collaborative discussion of how do you represent the truth.

And so the editors determined that it would be best to put it on a different page so you wouldn't clutter up Bill Clinton's page. And they had a separate page of Jeffrey Epstein's relationship with Bill Clinton, but it wasn't linked on Bill Clinton's official Wikipedia page, which is egregious. And at some point since I posted that video earlier this year, they have since put

the section back onto Bill Clinton's page that says relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. And now Epstein is mentioned 18 times on Bill Clinton's Wikipedia page. That's less mentions than the amount of times he flew on the Alita Express. He flew on the Alita Express 28 times, right? Yeah. And it's just one more mention than the number of times that Jeffrey Epstein visited the White House, literally the White House during Jeffrey Epstein's presidency. Or sorry, during Jeffrey Epstein's presidency. Freudian slip there.

So I thought that, so, okay. So that was the, so to me that was election related.

I mean, it certainly is election related. Hillary Clinton has been instrumental in the Democrat machine since before she was running for president. And she still is to this day. And you can't help but notice the Clintons and the Obamas behind the scenes while Sleepy Joe walks around as the face of our government, apparently. And so we've seen over the years their attempts to clean up

uh their image and to cover up any scandals that come out to smear anyone that says anything bad about hillary or their buddies um and this just to me it looked obviously like one more of those attempts because if i remember correctly this was right before bill and hillary started essentially campaigning for kamala during her presidential yeah so they were getting ready to put up bill clinton back out on the campaign trail for kamala

And so they wanted to clean up his Wikipedia page. That's exactly what that is. And Wikipedia, if you don't know, is run by the intelligence community. Oh, come on. In case you don't know this, ask anybody who knows anything and they'll tell you that. Go look at my Wikipedia page. Why do you think it looks like that? Run by the intelligence community, Mossad, the ADL, and a whole bunch of liberals doing their bidding.

Why do you think they still call me a conspiracy theorist about the Syrian gas attacks, even though I've been proven 100% correct about that? I've been proven 100% correct on Russiagate. I've been proven the conspiracy theorists were the guys pushing Russiagate. I was debunking it.

The conspiracy theorists were the people saying that Assad gassed his own people. That's a crazy conspiracy. I debunked it. And I was the first one to do it. And then Aaron Maté picked the ball up from me and he went on and meticulously showed you the OPCW whistleblowers. And he even went to the U.N. and testified about it. I went to the U.N. and testified about the Nord Stream pipeline, the U.N. Security Council. Yeah.

Yeah, it's one of my life goals, Jimmy, to get a Wikipedia page similar to yours where I can also be called a conspiracy theorist. That's when I will know that I've truly made it. You don't have it yet? Not yet. I don't think so. I haven't ever looked, but I can't imagine I'm that dangerous to them yet. No, I'll have to work harder. I'll have to work harder. Hey, become a premium member. Go to JimmyDoreComedy.com. Sign up. It's the most affordable premium program in the business.

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