Shay Mitchell: Let Him Go, You Deserve Better (FBF)
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Can we talk about this set? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Alex! I know. I'm really happy about it. There's so many things I have to change.

I know. I know. I see it because I'm a crazy person. Like there's certain things I need to. I would have changed like those one flower that when your last set, I was like, I'm going to move those when I come over. No, I'm not lying. Like, because I'm. It was bad. It was just the one flower arrangement that was always beside behind you. And I was like, I just want to move that when I go on our show. I mean, this is this is beautiful. You like it. I love it. Good vibes.

I feel very serene. Isn't this like you want to tell me like all your secrets in this room? I mean, yes, that and the truth serum right here. Okay, wait, let's start. Shay Mitchell, welcome to Color Daddy. Thank you. Shay made me a drink. What is in this drink? This is, okay, this is passion fruit onda, but I made you a passion fruit spritzer. So I actually got passion fruit before coming over here.

Just kidding. I lied. I got it delivered. I have two kids, okay? I love you, but like, thank you. Postmates. So I had passion fruit, like the guts of it. I put in one whole one and then over ice and then just passion fruit on that. But like... It's honestly really fucking good. It's good, right? A little spritz. So I was told why I wanted you to drink. Why? I was told you were a lightweight. Oh, that's crazy. And if that was Kate...

Let's start. Okay, everybody listening. Let me give you a little backstory. If you don't know who Kate Bailey is, actually, this is what I was going to say.

The only reason it's appropriate the amount of times that we've canceled on each other is because we have a mutual friend. Shay and I have been like, we're going to do it this month. We're going to do it. I canceled on you. You canceled on me. I was like, it's good that we have a mutual friend. Her name is Kate Bailey. Kate Bailey. Kate Bailey is my publicist. Kate Bailey is your very, very good friend of how many years? So many. Obviously, we've met before, but like we haven't like hung out. Never. And I kind of feel like I already know you from Kate. Right.

Kate, every time she's with you, is like, Shay is the most...

outgoing life of the party. You're like, stop. Oh my God. Keep going. She truly all every time that she's with you, I feel like she's having the best time unless she's with me. And I'm like, why are you like, what makes you so fun? Like, what is your social life like right now? What is my social life? I don't know if it's necessarily like my, I don't go out a ton. I say that. And then I was just at a concert last night and one, um,

I think what it is is like my perspective on things may be good. So even if Kate's stressed out, I kind of am the opposite. I'm not stressed out. Or like I kind of feed off of people's energy and I like want to support you and you're like I'm just I'm like a real energy person.

I can get that from you immediately because we were just joking. We're like, Kate's always working on her phone 24-7. You're like, live in the moment, sweetie. No, I'm super present. Like, I will be super present. If we were out to dinner, unless there was something where I'm like, hey, I have my phone because of my kids. Right. But aside from that, I'm very big on living in the moment. So another vibe I got from you. Ooh.

is that before you met your partner which we'll get into i'm like i know shane mitchell was out there on the streets getting after it dating hooking up oh my god time tell me yeah you're like okay i'm gonna chug this whole thing what was your dating life like in your 20s my dating life was i think i always thought about my life in ways of like chapters to a book

I always kind of said yes to things so that I could have that experience and be able to like

I don't know. Talk about it after. Like I do things for the experiential like aspect of it. I get that. I want to add that to my chapter. I'm like, oh, that'd be a fun thing. Oh, OK. Fly here. Cool. Let's try it. Or like he does this profession. Let's see what that's like. But as long as I was in control and like, you know, it was my decision to do things and like I felt comfortable. I was good to go. You were good to go. So I like, yeah. Do you have a type? Not at all.

Not at all. I have zero type. Really? Zero type. If you were to look at like the trajectory of my past, there is no type. It's a vibe. I love it. It's a vibe. It really is. Okay, what kind of vibe? What do you need though? I need confidence but not cockiness. And that is something. I need...

Somebody who is like respectful and like a good human. And that's like truthfully I feel like I've been and maybe like I've experienced like a couple bad ones. That's it. Out of like a bunch. I'm curious if all of your exes were like having a text thread. What is it? You're like, oh God. Shay like loves it. She's like, oh, like what are they saying?

What do you think that they would be like saying about you? Like, was there any theme after relationships? She knew what she wanted. I think that would be like the group chat. Like she knew what she wanted. That's what I think everybody would say. And I actually have really good, there's, you know, again, aside from a few, like I really have awesome experiences from my past and they were great guys. We just weren't right for each other.

We all know you. Like, originally, originally, you popped off Pretty Little Liars. And I want to talk to you lightly about Pretty Little Liars because I can imagine...

I don't want to say you're, like, annoyed by talking about it, but that was 13 years ago. Yeah, yeah. So, like, I'm sure in every interview you do, people want to talk to you about it. How does that make you feel? A-okay. You know why? Because that's what gave me my start, and I will never forget that, and I will never look down on that. Pretty Little Liars was...

the biggest turning point in my life. I was doing bottle service before that. And when I booked this job, it changed my life forever. And it gave me the opportunities and the experiences that I've had. And I owe everything. I'm like, I still talk to Marlene King all the time. And I'm like, thank you for saying yes in that callback, you know? And like,

It changed my life. I could never talk badly about it. And I love it. And I love, you know, when they do the spinoffs and I'm always like, that's amazing. That's awesome. I love the fact that I was a part of so many people's lives.

And a really important part. Like for me, like watching the OC, like that was my thing. You know, Gossip Girl, that was my thing. So when people come up and they're like, I loved you, you know, I grew up with you. I'm like, that's awesome. And the fact that I got to play the character that I did is like even more amazing. Well, yeah. You have now played how many queer characters in your career? Yeah.

Almost all of them. Maybe I was just like meant to be. I'm like a vehicle to like tell their stories. But I also feel like I have never also put myself in a category. I am not one. I don't love a label. I don't love a title. Mm hmm.

Like I don't want to label my sexuality. I don't want to label my relationship. I don't... Like I never wanted to be a wife. Like I don't... I don't... I don't want to be put in a category. Why do you think that is? I just want to be free. Like I just want to be me. Whatever that is. And like right now...

I'm in a relationship with a man and I don't, that's cool and it's amazing. But like in five or ten years, I don't know. Could be. Like I just, I never know and I never want to put myself in a position where I feel like constricted. Yeah. Did you, had you ever kissed a girl before you took on the Emily role in Pretty Little Lies? You had? Yeah. I had an experience before playing these characters. Okay.

Yeah. It wasn't like, oh, I'm playing this character. Let me see how this feels. And that was the thing when people were like, how do you know how to play this if you haven't been in a relationship with a girl? Like, what? How do I know what it's like to, like, somebody loves... Like, I hated those questions. And that's what I would always get. Like...

how do you know how it feels or like how can you play this character if you're not like what I don't know I know what it's like to like somebody it's the same shit right and I feel like we felt that in your character where like you are so confident in that role that I think it probably does help a lot of people watching you on screen being like I want to be like that I want to emulate that energy of just like confidence in still such a hetero world that we're in like yeah

it's still not completely accepted which is so fucked and for you to be like i don't give a fuck there's so much stuff that i do that's not accepted like i really obviously aren't like i'm not one to stand by tradition like let's talk about that okay let's talk about my hands are freezing i wish i you know what i should have brought the whole let's chug our drinks because let's do a little breakfast that was a loud gulp wow i'm impressed that's okay

But you're not going to eat the pomegranate, are you? No, I'm going to pour more into it. I got it right here. Guys, I just knew Shay Mitchell, the media train queen. Media train queen. That's what Kate said to me. She's media trained. She will swerve your questions. I'm like, yeah, for the first 15 minutes.

then I'm gonna sauce her up that's like the complete opposite of like what I'm supposed to be doing I'm like I'll just get her a little drunk and then I'll ask her all the hard questions I love it I also did say let's just tell everybody there was no question there was no question that was there was no topic that was off you did say that right okay thank you okay wow my hand is cold we should have gotten like koozies put it on my thigh for a minute okay let's talk about your relationship yeah

What one? No, I mean like what kind? You're just joking. You're slowly unbuttoning. I know. What one? Your partner. Did you, when you were thinking about how you were going to ask me this, were you like, what do I call him? Yeah. And you know what's interesting is I want to ask you, is the term baby daddy insulting to you? Because I feel like Nick Cannon really has put a little...

Downer on that one for everyone. No one wants to be called a baby daddy anymore. So it's insulting to you. It's not insulting. Listen. You don't love it. It's not insulting. No, because he's more than my baby daddy. He's not Nick Cannon. He's more than my baby daddy. And so I think that there is like... I love the word partner. Some people don't. Some people don't love it. Like you're never going to please anybody. So let's just get that out of the way. Totally. For me...

I like the term partner. He is my partner. He's my partner in a lot of things. He helps me so much with my business. Obviously, we're partners in raising our girls together. He's my partner in life that we're living right now. And I like it. How does he feel about the term partner? I don't know if he loves it. I don't know if he loves it. You know, sometimes he'll be on calls and he's like, and my wife and I'm like, you know, and I'm always like, and not because I'm like, like, I want it. Like, I'm like, hmm.

Why do you think that is? Why I don't like the word wife? Yeah. I don't know. I just like, I'm not. And he's not my husband. Like, I don't know. Your partner. I love like, I think like girlfriend is cute. And like, we met when I was 19. And I love that. Like, we weren't girlfriend and boyfriend at that point.

But I love the, I love, I love that. Like I'm like his, I'm like his girlfriend. Like we are friends. So you have two kids together. Two girls, yeah. But you met and you were friends first. Yeah, when I was 19. How did you transition from friends to relationship?

It's been a lot of years. I met him actually when I was doing bottle service at Drake's birthday. Like Drake's like 21st birthday in Toronto. We're from Toronto. So I was doing bottle service there and we met and we didn't start dating right away. Like we were just talking. We found out that we were neighbors.

And we started hanging out. I'd go to his basketball games. Like we just started hanging out as friends. And then, you know, we tried to like make it work in more than a friend way. Didn't. We tried it a couple of times. Didn't work. And then we took some time apart. And then I think it was like four or five years or something. And then randomly a mutual friend just kind of connected us together together. And it was like third time's a charm.

So when you started getting serious and like even when you got pregnant, like did you have to have a conversation with him to be like, I don't ever want to get married? I think we had that conversation. Like even when we were friends, I think I always spoke about my feelings.

And I will never say like never say never about anything. But I just was never that girl of like who had a Pinterest board of her wedding. I never did. And my parents have been married for like 38 maybe even 40 years. And they've had an amazing relationship. But it just wasn't something that I wanted. I didn't feel the need to like – I didn't feel that a piece of paper and a big celebration and a ring –

Would like justify my love like it's Yeah it's yeah no no but I like that You're saying it because I was sitting Here thinking like I think there's some People when they listen to that of you Are like

whoa like that's so interesting and like really crazy and I'm like if a man was saying that they'd be like oh he never thought he was gonna get married like okay dope I like that you're saying it though because it's really healthy to not just keep doing what the fuck came before us and not questioning it there is a trend because there's more people that aren't getting married now like since the 1970s I think it's like a the age is getting later on which I love because I think

Similar to how we have to hit a certain age to drink and drive, we are developing so much in our 20s. And like we are learning who we are. And when you get together and you're married, you grow as a unit. You know, and sometimes that's great, but sometimes it's detrimental to your own development. Totally. And I think the reason why I've been very lucky to be in, for the most cases, you know, great relationships is because I've always felt pretty secure and confident with who I was first before getting into a relationship.

And I think that you know with marriage sometimes you're more concerned about how you guys are both growing. You're trying to help him lift up. When at that point in your early 20s you need to get your own self out. You need to like figure out yourself.

That's not to say that it can't work in your 20s. For all of those people, I love it and amazing. But I feel like for me, it just wasn't necessary. And that's not to say that I don't believe in something. I like, hey, I'd love to have a commitment ceremony. Maybe in like, I don't know, 10 years, whatever the like,

if it ever happens, I could look at him and be like, hey, we should have a celebration because we just did that. Look at our girls who are like in high school and like we crushed it. We went through storms and we are here and we are standing and we're like high five because we just did that. Like let's make a commitment to this family and to raising these girls and our kids at that whatever. But like I would be all up for that because sometimes I think the celebration happens before you've even been through some storms. Yeah.

You know? I fucking love it because it's basically you're saying like do whatever feels good for you and like we can make up new shit. Take a sip. Matt works with Drake. Yeah. And when I think about that, you know, he goes on tour with him, right? Yeah, he's on his like management team. He like a lot of the creative is from him. Like he's like a creative genius truthfully. So he's like in the world of

That is like he's traveling. He's with all these people. There's parties. There's girls around. There's a lot happening. How does it feel or how do you handle when he's like away and like at these parties and at these events and you're sitting at home with the kids being like, I wonder what he's doing. And I'm not talking recently. Take me back to like more beginning stages of like building trust around this type of lifestyle. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, it is 100% hard. Like, I can't be like, it's fine. I don't feel a thing. No, it's hard. But it's hard because I care. It's hard because I love what we have. You know what I mean? So, yeah, it's like, it's difficult. But then at the same time, we just talked and they're away in South America. And I'm like, are you having fun? What are you guys doing? Like, there's also that element. Because I feel like in the same way that I have with my friendships...

like those are so successful because I trust them and there's communication. And not that it's the same, but like there's trust and there's communication with us. And it's not always perfect by any means, but there has to be trust. And I can't think about other scenarios or like think about hypothetical situations

if it ever were to come out or anything there's like to see any of that then like I'll deal with it then. But I also can't live my life worrying about what he's doing. He is living his own life. We are two individuals that have come together and chosen to like have kids together and like have a family together. But at the same time he is like doing his own thing and I love that for him. Like he's having fun. He's crushing and he's so good at what he does.

And I love that he's with his friends getting to work and have fun. Totally. So I love that. But like as long as there is communication, once that is broken for me, then it's done. And that's a known thing that we have. So as long as he knows that and I know that, like I feel like we're good. I dated an athlete. I love how singular, plural. I dated athletes in the past. And I found myself like in moments being the same as you of like,

what do I give a fuck? Like, I'm fucking sitting here with my girlfriends. We're having a great time. Like, and he's going to do what he's going to do. But then there are, like, the spiral moments. I remember I used to, if he was, like, in fucking Milwaukee or fucking Texas or – Oh, God. Milwaukee. Yeah. They always would go to, like, the worst places. But that's when I know, like, you're desperate. Like, you're going to find some type of, like –

So I would always be like, oh, they're if they're going out tonight. I would like spiral and like look up like the bar that I knew they were at. And then I would go to like the Instagram and then I would be like, oh, who's like at the bar? And if they tagged anyone, I would go to that girl's Instagram and like look for him in the background and then be like, oh, my God, there he is. Like he's standing next to that girl. Like he's really close to that girl. Like what's happening? And then I would text him, be like, hey, like, how's your night? And like

It's a normal – like, I always used to be embarrassed to admit that. And I was like, I was in love with this person. I was in a relationship with this person and I cared about this person. And I think jealousy and anxiety in relationships can be normal depending on, like, the level of it. Right, sure. So I'm wondering, like, because this is, like, a very public, touring-facing situation –

how do you not spiral in moments and I don't even mean now I mean like beginning oh my gosh no no for sure absolutely I can't I could not return I did the exact same thing back in the day I would say for sure in my 20s I fully get you I could do the exact same thing yeah but it got to a point where I was like okay so if he did then what or if anybody at that point if he did then what

Yeah. I'll be okay. I'll keep it moving. And it wasn't meant to be. But.

But that is how I live my life. And once you think about it like that, I don't want that then. If you can take him from me, then he's yours. I'm good. And I can keep it moving. Be there for my kids or that's another story. But like in terms of us, then our story ends and that's okay. I still have my life to live. I cannot live my life like I did in my 20s because I did do that. And it's like for what? I wasted so many sleepless nights. For what? Did that change how we acted? No. No.

you're gonna do the guys the girls whatever we're gonna do what we're gonna do regardless if if you're staying up at night not sleeping stalking and instagram he's still gonna do what he's gonna do he's not gonna be like well alex is probably up looking at the club's instagram trying to like you know zoom into this that's not gonna stop him so like what is that you just lose sleep you're so right okay like i'm not gonna worry about it before it happens if you do it then we we deal and i'll figure out like co-parenting but like

Then it is. And I hope you're happy. And I genuinely mean that. I want you to be happy because I feel like when you truly love somebody, you want them to live their happiest life. And I do. And if that's not with me, I don't want to force that. I love this energy too because I feel like I've said this on my show. It's like,

I know there's so many people. I always just say women because I know women listen to this podcast the most. I'm like, hi, ladies. I think there's a lot of guys. You think you think you have a video? You have a video component to this. They used to. It's gotten a little too sappy that they're like, OK, there's no more like full sex like you talking about, like the dick going into the pussy. Like I'm fucking out. I'm like, OK, pervs. I think I've had a lot of conversations on this podcast trying to win women right in being like,

I'm so in love with this person and I love your advice too because I know Kate has always said like you are like almost like the friend therapist like all your friends go to you and I feel similar with my friend group of like you have to almost like back out of it and look at it like from a third POV of like what would you tell your friend and I feel like a lot of women listen to this podcast being like yeah but Shay like I'm so in love with him okay but I

I just have that like feeling almost every time he's always doing boys nights. He's always kind of like,

and I just feel like I'm not fully a part of those moments and I sit at home but like when we're together our relationship is great but he makes me feel really insecure like what do I do like what would you be in love with yourself more than you need to love yourself more because I would tell my daughters like you shouldn't be doing that I don't want them having a million sleepless nights a couple are fine like it's healthy whatever we get it but like you shouldn't be feeling that way in a healthy relationship and if you are then maybe it isn't the right one

I don't want to constantly be living in a state of anxiety, wondering where they are, what they're doing. Like, I actually love the fact that he's traveling with the biggest person and like, you get to see all of that. And if you still come back, then like, I'm the baddest bitch. You know what I mean? Like, that's what I feel like. And if I don't, I'm like, cool, go be with her and then I'll keep it moving too. Like, it,

It just wasn't meant to be. And I'm such a believer of that. I feel like that's why my perspective on life and different experiences, if I miss a plane, I was like, oh, there is a reason for that. Like that is how I live my life. And let me tell you, it's a lot more peaceful than what it was before. I had this sort of like real realization about how it works for me and how it should be. I love that advice too because I feel like it's like half the time, more than half the time, we have to look at it like it's actually not about him.

you're sitting there. Like, why are you sitting there stressing? Why was I on my phone zooming so intensely? Like, cause I was bored in college being like, this is better than the guys I could be dating here. So like, there's always, if you break it down, like I wanted to be with him because of the status and the money and the lifestyle. And I loved it. And I didn't want to lose it. And I was willing to maybe look the other way. Cause like, I love that now in hindsight, I'm like, that was perfect for where I was in that moment. I,

absolutely loved that moment in my life now I would never put up with that because I want time you could be putting into building yourself like a I

reading a book educating yourself going to the gym hanging out with your friends like doing other things i think as you get older and the reason why i say like i did that all in my 20s but like it changed when i was 30 is because i realized how valuable every single day is and i do not want to waste my time stalking other people's movements you know what i mean like then i'm taking away my time and living my life and like spending quality time with friends or people that are here

watching somebody else's move they're gonna do it if they're gonna do it and I can't stop it so like it's not healthy we need to cut it out it's too short I don't want to look back on my life dedicating so many of my like precious days to doing that I amen

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Yeah. Yeah, I did. Okay. I mean, I never had a set age. I wasn't like when I'm 26, I'm going to have, no, I, I, I knew that I wanted to experience that. When you think about there's so many beautiful things that come with motherhood. Yes. But I feel like you're a good person to talk to about like, because you don't like to label things. Absolutely not. When I think about

There's a lot of pressure if you're not just dedicating your entire life to

in other people's eyes to your children. Did you ever lose yourself in the beginning stages of trying to navigate like being a mother, being also Shea Mitchell, this like independent, successful woman that wants to have both? Oh my gosh. I remember when I was first pregnant with Atlas and I was like nine months. I was talking to my doula at the time and all of a sudden we're talking and I just started bawling and she's like, oh my gosh, are you so excited? I was like,

no, a piece of me is dying. I'm going to be a mother. Like, I'm now going to be a mom. And she was like, okay, like, that's amazing. I was like, no, I'm a mom now. Like, I am a mother. She's like, okay, amazing. Like, not understanding. And I think what I...

had to come to an understanding with is that yes old Shay did a part of me did have to be put to rest I am a mother now I wasn't beforehand like and it does change there's a leaf that turns when you get pregnant and

Like from the moment you see that you are pregnant on that stick, it changes. And that life that you lived before is over. And that's okay because there's a new life. Like there's a new chapter, like a new relationship. And that's, it's fun and it's exciting. It's also scary.

And you know at that point it was also a little bit lonely because like your partner won't understand. They don't go through the same thing. They don't understand the changes and the sacrifices that we make especially being somebody who also you know was very active like in my work and you know my social and everything. It was like I have to take a pause. I can't be like I was fortunate to be able to act up until the point where I was like eight months.

But still I had to take a moment. I had to take a break whereas he didn't. And so that was really difficult for me when I was pregnant. Do you have advice for someone that's currently having a little bit of a difficult time finding their like regaining their identity after they just like gave birth. Now they've like their kids alive and well and they're like fuck who am I independent of being a mother. I think you need that time.

outside of your kids. I think it is so crucial. I love my girls. I will do anything, of course. It is like having kids truthfully is like having a heart live outside of you. Like my heart beats in them.

But I also need to continue to do things for myself and for me to feel rested, for me to feel like, you know, I've done what I needed to do because then I'm a better mother when I can come back and like I feel good, you know? And I think that that's the thing. It is really hard, especially after, like I always say, I love a baby shower. I think that's great. Even though I did mine at like Magic Mike. What? Yeah.

I also think there needs to be like another like a postpartum sort of baby, like a mama shower after because it's all fine and dandy when you have that celebration when the baby's in your stomach and like things are cool and there's a million beautiful flowers and friends and all of that around you. There needs to be something after when you're in the postpartum, when you're in the bed by yourself or maybe with your partner.

like in and feeling like a mess, feeling like if you're breastfeeding or you're feeding them with a bottle, like you just don't feel your best. There needs to be a celebration for you at that moment. I'm like, I want to start, you know, the mama shower or something where you have all your friends come. I needed a flower crown then when the babies were crying, when Atlas was screaming, when the house was a mess. I need that like, you know, that kind of like group and party then. I actually love that too because you're so right. There's such a celebration of like –

right before like this is gonna be great and then like life happens and then life happens and there's judgment yeah you're a very independent person and i wonder what does independence look like for you um independence to me means that like this is like asmr because i'm crunching these passion fruit is it are you hearing independence is independent

um independence means that like i can make my own moves and do what i want to do and like when i want to do something i do it i don't know listen let me tell you something this is when i was how old driving age when i got my first car my parents got me a car okay and i was so excited drove it around everywhere me and my girlfriends i'd pick them up you know as you do you're like just got my license let's drive to mcdonald's um

And then one day I came downstairs and I was like, where are my keys at? And I couldn't find them. And I was like, wait, hi, mom, dad, like where are my keys? And he's like, you don't have your car today. I was like, wait, why? Is it in the shop? Are you getting it washed? Are you filling it up? Like what's going on? He was like, you just don't have it today. I took it. And I'm like, okay, so like you want to drive it? Can I drive yours? Like what's going on? He's like, no, I bought it. I own it. It's mine. You don't have it.

And I was like, wait, what? You bought it? It's my car. He's like, it's not your car. I bought it for you and I can take it away. And I was like...

I didn't even do anything. Then I'm like trying to think, I'm like, did I do something last night? Like, did he go through my, like, what is happening? Nothing had happened. He just took my car away because he wanted to prove a point that like he bought it and I didn't own it. And just because, you know, he had got me the car at that point, like he could also take it away. And I was so annoyed by it. But then I also was like, you're right. He did buy it from, but like, this is so fucking annoying.

And from that moment, I was like, I don't ever want that to happen because I actually had to go somewhere that wasn't a drive-thru. And I needed my car at that time. Of course you did, Shay. Of course I did. I needed to go to the mall. So I was like, I will never have that happen again. I'm going to own my shit. And like that is what kind of clicked in. There was a bigger message with that that was just really like, I need to own my shit because nobody can take that away from me. And everything just feels better when I like –

I did that, you know? And like I don't need somebody else to do that for me. And so I've always been super independent when it's come to that. Like if I want to go to dinner, I'm going to dinner. I don't need to wait for somebody to invite me or like – no, no, no. If I want that on the menu, I'll order it because I bust my ass to do that. And I think there's such a power. And with that, everything just tastes sweeter. It feels better. You rock it better when you're wearing that bag that you got. And again, gifts are nice and I'll always take them and I love that. So if you get that like good on you and amazing –

However, I feel like independence gives you a freedom to live your life as authentic as you want it to be. Like I can do things that feel right to me without any sort of hesitancy that like, oh, so-and-so might not, this may get taken away from me or if I act this way, I'll get kicked out. No, I don't want that. I never wanted that and I don't want my girls to ever do that. You will be independent. You will own your own shit and you will always have it. Nobody can take that away from you.

What you're saying is so empowering in terms of just like you can't then be that affected by anyone other than yourself. Right. When you have that independence. Right. And I think it's so important for young women to hear because when I was dating professional athletes or rich guys in the moment it felt so like invigorating to me and I felt like alive and I felt so powerful because I was attached to someone powerful. Right.

And then if they ended it, I was on the street with nothing. Then you feel like back at square one again and you're like, but wait, like what happened? And you look around and you have nothing. And so it's like, I'm also not even talking about financial shit. No. Like if you have nothing.

have your own shit in terms of I know who I am I know I'm stable with my fucking confidence and my personality and you if you fucking end it tomorrow I'm still good I'm still good and I can carry on focusing on your independence recognizing your worth

Because then when you fucking meet someone and you're like that, you're like... But having your own life outside of them, having your own friend group, having your own places that you go to. Like, you are so much stronger when you're, like, two pillars holding something up than when you're trying to, like, conform to one.

You know what I mean? Just like have your own life, I think is so important. Totally. And then you're stronger and then it like offers up more questions. Then I can genuinely be like, what did you do today? You know? Totally. Different strokes for different folks. Like again, this is just how it is for me. I've also seen it on the flip side where like it works. They work and they have the same friends and all that. And that also works. I agree. This is just how it works for me. No. And I think that's like also I love.

this job because I get to just talk to so many different people that it's like there is no right answer for anyone. It's like you're going to find your own shit, but it's helpful to hear if some people are lost or just like kind of looking for guidance. Like you have a very specific way that you view life and the way that you view your worth and yourself and the way that you like to move. My question though for you is,

You always know there's going to be something juicy when she like looks ahead and like you're getting real comfy now. No, I just like to ask this because sometimes it's helpful to humanize people in terms of you're so confident, but what is your biggest insecurity? What is my biggest insecurity? Like my biggest insecurity is, I mean, I can be in rooms. Like just recently I was in,

Paris and I was around a group of people that were speaking so many different languages and I was like, oh my gosh, that is amazing. I feel like I could be spending more time educating myself instead of doing some other things. Maybe if I cut down some social media, I feel like I could be, I could have learned another language, you know, like

I get on myself sometimes for that, for education. So I'm like, okay, I need to work on this. But then I download Word of the Day and I feel like, okay, I've done something. I'm trying. I feel like that's what, yeah, I mean, I think every day there's like different things. Of course, I'm not like the most confident, most secure person. The reason why I sound like that is because I'm a big believer of confidence.

and like manifesting and words being very powerful. You will never hear me say, oh gosh, I'm such an idiot or like, oh, dumb me. I don't speak like that. I don't ever say like I'm starving. I don't ever say like, like I'm very careful with my words.

because they are very powerful and I am a big believer of manifesting. When I was doing bottle service I had a cork board in my kitchen, had teen choice awards, I had Blake Lively and Gossip Girl, it had a white Range Rover, it had palm trees. A lot of that has come true and I believe like working hard in addition to just manifesting but I am a very big believer of manifesting and

And there's a difference with just saying like, okay, I will come into success. I will meet the love of my... No, no, no. You need to believe it and you need to own it. And if that at the beginning is called delusion, then let it be. Because I was delusional when I was doing bottle service. But when I was rocking to your table asking you if you wanted Kettle One or Grey Goose, I thought I was the biggest actress like playing a bottle service girl. And I walked with that and I walked in the snow in my Uggs like to my office, to the bottle service place being like...

bottle service place to the lounge being like, I own this. Like, no, not today. Like I was an actress and I was living in the States and I was, you know, I felt it. So like delusional manifesting all of that. I'm a big believer of saying and putting out there,

positive energy. And so I don't know what the first thing was that you were asking me. Oh yeah. So it may come off as being super confident and secure, but even like Rihanna, like that TikTok guy was going around where she's like, sometimes you don't feel confident. You just get up and you do it. You do. Yeah. And you own it and you, and you have that because if you do and other people feel it, then like you become that. How the fuck did you become a bottle girl? Bottle service? Bottle service. Um, it was like, I wasn't a good bartender. Yeah.

My memory wasn't good. So like bottles were easier. I could like have my little thing. But like bartenders, it was like too many people asked me for too many drinks and I never got it right. Also, I wasn't a good waitress. Like I'd forget things. Hostess, crushed. I could always offer up a smile and take you to your table. But bottle service was just, it was like fun. It wasn't fun. I actually hated going to it. No, I actually hated going to it. I did it for one day and then I went to bartending. No, no, no.

Dude, what was like some, do you have any memories of back in those days? Oh my God. How creepy. A guy slapped my ass and I almost broke his arm. No, like I was not that person. And then I charged you like crazy and I made so much money that night because that was not okay. I am not good in those situations. I'm not good being disrespected. Like not that anybody is, but that like I will not handle disrespect. Yeah.

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I've heard through the grapevine like Kate hi um you really are such an incredible friend and I think especially when you get to a certain age like I'm not gonna say it's easy to be a friend in middle school and elementary school and high school but like there is something of that

you're all kind of going through similar shit at that time. You're all in the same environment. And then when you get into your 20s and your 30s and your 40s and on, like it is a motherfucker of like being selfish of your own shit, being there for your friends. Like what kind of friend are you? I would have to say I'm a really good listener. I'm always there. Like if I hear like in high school, if...

A friend of mine had a bad relationship with some guy. Don't ever talk to me again. That guy. Do not come across me. I am a girl's girl. I love women. I really do because there's such a...

like beautiful sensitivity and vulnerability to women. And I love that. And I see it like through all ages. And now having two little girls, like I see it in them. But then I also see the fucked up part where I'm like, we're watching these Disney movies and like everything is about like finding your happily ever after with like this prince. And I'm like, it doesn't have to be like that. Like,

If you don't want to end up with a guy, you don't have to. Like, if you don't want to end up in a relationship at all, you don't have to. Like, I'm, like, constantly doing this because I'm like, hey, like, she loves this princess life, which I want her to live. But I'm also like, this is kind of fucked up when I'm watching this. Like, happily ever after doesn't mean you always have to end up with somebody. It doesn't always mean you have to have kids, you know? And so I always forget what I'm talking about. What was the genuine? Oh, friend. What kind of friend are you? No, this is great. Okay, so on the friend level, like,

I love my friends are my family they are and I have a very small group of friends I have a lot of acquaintances I have a lot I love people too but I have a very small tight-knit of friends who I feel like have are my they are my family and they've like just held me down and why I feel like I can be the way that I am it's because I have such a solid support group of people

you know and they are there for me no matter what and I feel that they are like that because it's a two-way street like I am there for them as well and if anybody needed me like any my girl I will be on that plane I don't care I will be there for you because life is crazy and it's wild and sometimes you need me more than I need you and sometimes I need you more than you need me and so it's a beautiful relationship it's like a teeter-totter of like

I don't know. It's a teeter-totter. Like I just feel like that is how my friendship is with people. Women go through it in their 20s of kind of losing that friend group that maybe they had in school. Yeah. And feeling like almost ashamed if they don't have like the big friend group and they don't have like

all of like the big... Like, can you talk about that a little bit of like the cattiness of women being like, oh, she doesn't have that many friends or like she doesn't... Because I have people writing all the time that are like, I have two really good friends, but I feel bad that I don't have like this big group. No, babe, you're blessed. You have two solid friends. Like...

No, we do not compare ourselves to movies. We do not compare ourselves to other people. You have no idea what's actually happening. A girl could have 15 solid friends. You don't know if they're all talking shit about each other. Like if you have two solid friends, that's amazing. And like own that, you know, and be thankful you have that. I have my childhood best friends. And the amazing part is that I talk to them regularly.

the least out of everybody else my best friend I talked to like once every three months and it doesn't even matter I pick up I talk to her and she's like cool cool cool we got it like yeah she gives me what I need I gave her what she and I'm like boom like I didn't even talk to her for the past three months and you do like your quick rundown like what's going on in your life and that's it I catch up I have no photos with her like it comes time to be in her birthday and I'm like

I have no photos with her. Like we never take photos. Those are the best relationships. But that's it. When you have the best night of your life, you're not taking photos. You forget. And that's the same thing with your friends. It's like, yeah. But I mean, I have a lot of photos with Kate. So like Kate, you're also. Yeah. Kate's like the lowest of your friends. She's like, wait a minute. We have.

yeah you're on like the periphery bitch you're not in the inner core but even with like my solid group of friends I go to them for different things same with like fuck title of this but like I have different friends that I go to for different things you know and I think that's like a beautiful thing no I love that you said that because I just at my engagement party like my three like best best friends from childhood were there

And then I was talking to my friend Kristen, who has literally been there since I don't even remember what age. And I was like, I don't think we have more than like three photos together. And we do the same thing where it's like every four months we're like, hello. And I'm like, okay, go. And she gives me the rundown. And that is like, I think should be more normalized. Like you don't need to talk to someone every fucking day. You don't also need to feel like you need 15 people around you. Because that also usually means like...

Well who's your Who's your one Right Everyone knows who their like Best fucking friend is Right Or their three Or their four best friends Right I just think it's like Important to normalize Cause like all these Like I feel like women online Are shaming of like She doesn't seem like She is friends I know but they're shaming Of everything of course

It's literally everything. If we lived our lives trying to appease everybody, that would be so exhausting. No, you're right. If you are happy and you are good with your life and your circumstances, regardless of if they go against the norm, then like you're crushing it. Tell me about a time that you had to end a friendship. Oh my God. I ended a friendship because I stopped respecting her. Mm-hmm.

truthfully, I didn't respect certain decisions she made. And I think once you lose a respect in any relationship, it's over. And I don't know if that's the Aries in me. Probably. I follow this account that's like Aries facts or something. And like every time they post, I'm like, fuck, that's so true. That's me. Like I am an Aries. But yeah, it sucked. We were friends for a long time. And it got to a point where I just kind of like,

You know when you're like with a guy, you're dating a guy and you like see something that's so unattractive? It could be anything. It'd be like, I don't know, his hands or like hair in a certain place and you're just like, and it's done. You can't unsee it. Can't unsee it. That was the same thing with this. I couldn't unsee this one part and I just, it was over and I never looked back.

It was, it, it happened and you know, we had a good amount of years together as friends, but I had to cut it again. Life is too short. I have a very limited amount of time that I get to spend with people and I want that to be quality over quantity and you're either in or you're out. And like, same thing with me. I'm,

you know, who's to say like her life isn't better without me, but whatever. It's just, it wasn't meant to continue. And that's okay. Yeah. People come in and out of a life. So it's like, look at seasons. That's the same thing with people. Like have them come in, you learn different things about each other and then you continue and that's okay. I love that too. I feel like there's such like, again, stigma for women of like the bitchiness and like the friend loss. And it's like, I get so many questions about this all the time. And I'm like, if you had anything,

a great thing for a certain amount of time that gave you something in your life and vice versa and it ended that's okay that's okay because I know then like then you go to a new part of your life where you have kids and you meet friends through your kids parent and it's like you're always going through new iterations of your life and welcome it exactly like be open to it like the unknown is so exciting no I agree okay we needed advice I figured I'd be like okay let's talk about some situations hypotheticals okay number one

What would you tell someone who opens up Instagram and sees the person that they're dating out partying at a club at 2 a.m. and they haven't heard from that person all night?

I think we kind of talked about this. Yeah, but like what's your boundary? Like I have it, you know, for us it's like, hey, I always just want to know when you're like safe in bed. I don't need a photo. I don't need a FaceTime, but like just text. You know, like, hey, just and also we have two kids. I want to know like around the area of what you're doing so I can be like if anything were to happen, I don't want to be like, I don't know where he is. Like tell me the country you're in. You know, maybe the hotel would help. I don't need to know anything else, but like.

Like I need to know certain things. So it depends what your boundary is. Like did you set it so you're like, hey, I want to hear from you in this amount of times or like is it okay if they text you when they go to bed? Like what's your boundary? So it depends on that. I agree with you because I think I remember in the beginning of dating Matt, he was like,

You just have to send me a text when you get in bed. Like I just want to know you're alive and at home. And at first I was like, that's being clingy. And then afterwards I was like, oh wait, I get what he's doing. He's actually respecting. Have the best night. I just want to know you're safe. That's it. And like, what a great boundary. That's it. But if you're so triggered by seeing him on the internet of like stalking him again, like I go back to that version of myself. That's your first trigger.

real red flag to be like yeah why are you so stressed yeah because that's probably you know he's actually doing something shady totally i don't have a doubt in my mind like right now with the partner that i'm with that i'm like nothing right but when other relationships i'm like i knew we always fucking know you always in your gut kind of fucking know i truly believe it if there's certain shit that they're doing i think most of the times you do what

They're having the odd cases where some people may not have. And that's okay too. You know, then, then, I mean, yeah, that's okay too. If you don't expect true. But I also think it's like having the confidence and the self-respect to, if this is bothering you so much,

tell him yeah say it it's like you're not being needy or clingy it's like if you're in a relationship and you're like hey babe it really upsets me i realize like i get so triggered and anxious when you're out and i don't hear from you think about what it is about that because just being out as a human i mean i go out i come back sometimes at two four six you know so it's like what what what about that is bothering you is it that you think there's other girls there is it that he hasn't told you where he's at like

Like ask yourself and then have that conversation. And then if there's shit that it's like, well, because he does this all the time and he cheated once. Well, then that's right. And then reassess the situation. But like just being out. I mean, we're humans. We got to go out. Got to go out. And also like I love it when I'm like, do you go out there with like hot girl? Like I want you to see that. I don't want to keep you in a little room with blindfolds on like.

Every time. Please go out there and see. It's so healthy to have your partner go out. Like every time Matt goes out and he comes home, I'm like, okay, tell me everything. And I'm like laying in bed, like, hi. I'm like, oh, what happened? And he's like, this person was there. Yeah. This ex was there. And like, let me, like,

Even when we've been out, there have been girls that have come up and been like, oh my gosh, she's so handsome. I'm like, thank you. Like, yes, absolutely. Because he doesn't wear a ring. No. And you don't wear a ring. But also like if you wore a fucking ring, does that deter anybody? No. Does that deter them? Does that deter like... No, it doesn't do anything. Sometimes it's more attractive. Like...

look go out live your life be free if you come back awesome if you don't we'll figure it out peace peace i don't have time for that anymore like okay let's say someone wants to approach their partner about an issue in their relationship that they're insecure about okay what advice would you give them in approaching this topic so you're going to someone you're like i'm fucking insecure about this i want to talk about my part about it they're nervous rightfully so but also

I feel like I've had this so many times where I've been so vulnerable and like I can't be any more vulnerable. Like he knows and I think that's okay because the right person will accept it and take it and hear you. The wrong person might run from it and then let him run.

It may seem like I'm like, let him go. Let him free. But also like, yeah. Because if it's the wrong person, why do you want to waste your time with them anyways? Dude, my mom always said it. And I remember in the early days of my show, I would always say this. My mom would always be like, and at first it was friends. Because when I was younger, my mom would always say like,

why would you want to be friends with someone that doesn't want to be friends with you? No. Same thing with relationships. Right? You're like, why would you want to be with someone that doesn't want to be with you or doesn't respect you? It's like, well,

answer the you don't you don't but that's also why like my whole thing and like again love it for everybody else but like the whole concept of like we need to have a bachelorette party a bachelor party because this is the last night of freedom like what no you can have all of those nights you want to go at timmy tony john and frank all day long you can go like i'm not holding you back that'll never be the life that i live where you feel the need that like your last like

I hate that. Dude, you're so right. Okay, we need like a little tease. Okay. Tell us about some like drama you've ever had in a relationship. All of this is like Shay's got it all together. No, it's not. No, no, not in a bad way. Not in a bad way. But it's like you have this – you have it all together right now in terms of like how you think about shit. Give us your 20s. Give us a fucking story about Shay not having it together and –

a relationship I mean in my 20s like I think in your like again it did really change for me in my 30s so I will say I feel like good now but no in my 20s all my friends would be like wait a minute Sammy will like has been there through with me through like thick and thin and she knows those times where she's had to like sleep over and I'm like convulsing into a paper bag I'm like oh he did this

Like I've had those moments a thousand percent. But sometimes I think I brought them on me because I'm dramatic and wanted to experience that. Like I don't know if I was listening to a song and I was like, I can't relate to this. Let's relate to this. And then I'd go out and cause shit because I was like, like I'm telling you, that tattoo is white not because I wanted to get it for you to see. I wanted to feel it.

Like I am that person where I want to feel it. So like I wanted to cause shit sometimes and I would. And that was just me experimenting at that age. So like I had so much drama in my life and I would do things that would put me in like situations where I'm like, oh, that wasn't as far. But like let's see how it rides out, you know, and then that's going to be a story to tell.

And yeah, I did it because I wanted to be able to have that story. No, I get that. I relate to that in a lot of ways of just being like, do it for the experience. Yeah, or you're listening to a song and like you want to put your hand on the window when it's raining too and like sing out to it. Like sometimes I wouldn't feel that way, but I wanted to. So I would go and set that situation up for myself. Yeah.

You know, like it's like I did that. No, that's like I relate to that. And then on top of it, I then started a show where I did talk about my life. So I was like, I need a fucked up story. Like, let's go out. I get it. I think that's in a weird way. I think it's healthy because then you do experience shit where you're like, I don't want that. I want this. Looking back on your single days, what's one piece of dating advice you can give my listeners straight from the Shea Mitchell playbook? Oh, my God.

my god something you haven't said yet to all the single ladies I don't know I feel like listen if madden like I feel so happy with the way that everything turned out because like if we had been together from the moment that I met him I don't know if I would be completely content and happy right now I would have wondered my mind would have drifted and that's not to say it doesn't drift we're humans

But I got to live out a lot of different experiences and I had a lot of fun. I loved that. I thought that these were the years where I will be able to do this. And you can still do it later on when you're married, blah, blah, blah. But like it was fun. It was fun to go out one day with this guy and then another with this guy. As long as I was in control, you know, like conscious control, all of that. It was like on my terms. I loved it. And I thought there was nothing wrong because I learned so much about myself through each of these relationships.

And that's what I loved. I was like, okay, if I date this person, I wonder how this would be. Well, let's find out. Let's see how I can deal with his lifestyle. Let's see how I can deal being taken on, you know, in this way or like that. Like I loved learning about myself through other people. I think that's such good fucking advice. And we almost can end on that one of like, when you are in your single part of your life,

it's such an opportunity to get to know yourself better and it's like there's such a pressure I think for women to like settle down and have kids and start your life and it's like just make sure that you know yourself before you pick that person and that's where like you're saying and I feel the same way of like I've gone through so many things that like I wouldn't have been able to be with my partner now had I not been through all that shit so like sometimes you have to

put yourself into weird fucking situations. Like if you're sitting at home being like, I haven't been going on dates. Like I've been kind of like, put your, like, listen to Shay, like put yourself out there, create a scenario. Even if you get the fucking story, it's ending up creating a better version of yourself. Cause you're going to learn what you like. You're going to learn what you don't like. And you're going to be like invigorated to find the next story, find the next thing for yourself. So you can look back and be like, holy fuck.

fuck I lived it I did it and then when you find the right person there's no doubt in your mind it's the right person because you've been with so many different people in different settings I don't mean sleeping you've fucked so many people but it's like you know your shit of like I don't like that I like this and you're like you're a kid in a candy store of like you know what you prefer however don't just date anybody always have that self-respect and that's why looking at my past I can say like I said besides a couple I

out of them I always had that respect and that's important don't just date a loser to date a loser we don't need to experience that no we really don't but if you can go into like a respectful relationship hook up whatever with somebody then do it experience it explore it and learn about yourself now is the time is that it I don't know I feel like once we turn this off laughing

She like keeps it real. I'm like, keep rolling. No, I do think this is in an odd way. That is the thing. It's like even like having two daughters. I always look at it like, what would I say to them? I like, yes, talking about even thinking about that right now. And they're so funny.

Fuck yeah. But like if you are going into a relationship and experience with like self-respect, you know that that person has respect for you. You are aware. You are conscious. You are all of that. Then I think there is like no harm in that. You are learning about yourself through that. And I love that. I love, I wouldn't take away the experiences that I've had. And the other thing is I would never take away the experiences that my partner has had. I don't talk shit about any of the people he's been with because all of those people that he was with made him the person that he is today.

You know, and sometimes I'm like, well, I wish you could have had a couple. Like, you know, like there's like those times. It's so true. But like I never talk shit about that because thank you. The last thing that I would like to say is I feel like this episode also, it sounds easy, but no, it sounds easy and it seems kind of hard, but like it really is easy where you were kind of talking about if you're not being treated right, if you're not feeling right in a relationship, like,

If you're listening to this and you have a pit in your stomach right now because your partner is doing something, if you're questioning certain things, if they're not acting the right way, if they're not treating you right, like that's it. That's your answer. That's your answer. Life is too short. And you only recognize that when you're in a moment where you realize that, which doesn't happen for all of us. But.

But it's like, I don't want to wait for that moment if, you know, when it happens to be like, oh shit, I should have done this differently. Or why did I waste those, those days or those sleepless nights worrying about this? It didn't do anything. It doesn't do anything. So live your life how you want to live it. Don't worry about somebody else because your worrying isn't going to change the outcome. It's not going to change the outcome. I can promise you that. They don't care if you're worrying or not. Live your life.

Do what makes you happy and do what you love. Like, do what makes you happy. I don't want to waste any more days. I did that enough in my 20s, like I said. But, like, for those listening who are in their 20s, save yourselves. Learn from us. And, like, don't waste your days worrying about somebody else. Let them be. God bless you. What's that quote? If you love something, let it go. Let it go. If it comes back, it's yours. It's the same thing. Every night he comes home, I'm like, hey, there you are. You know what I mean? But, like...

Like, you didn't have to. Like, hey, you're back. Like, hey, can you put her to bed? You know what I mean? But like, that's how it is. And I think there's something so romantic about that. And like, I always say, I think it was like Charlize Theron that said this in a quote where like, if you come home because you want to, not because you feel like you have to, like, then you'd have to call the lawyers and do it. I think there's something so romantic about that. Like, we don't need anything else to like define our love or relationship at this moment.

We have two beautiful girls. We are very fortunate to have the life that we live and we recognize that. And if that ever were to change and we'll deal with it, but like nothing that I can do or especially like signing the paper or getting the right, like confirms that we confirm it. You confirm it in your relationship and don't let societal public pressures, parental, religious deter you from doing what you feel is right. You know? Yeah.

Thank you for coming on Color Daddy. I mean, thank you for having me.

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