Olivia Attwood: OnlyFans, Cam Girls, Pornhub and Sugar Babies (FBF)
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What is that daddy game? IT is your founding father, alex Cooper, with call. Hello.

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i'm so happy to be here what are arn? I you can say whatever the fuck you want, but I wondered.

like i'm gona make drink, so whatever.

because I know no one offered me a drinks.

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apparently Olivia been drinking without me. So I found .

in a fridge I was up. I might pay someone going to call a show. It's upstage in the fridge there was four bottles, and I just took a tumblr OK.

ready? Yeah, ready. Olivia, outwards. Welcome to call her daddy.

Like that sentence. Just get me chills.

Got we? I love you so much. I'm so happy to be here in your presence.

really? Yes.

okay, i'm going to give you back story because I mean to like, i'm going to love you up here. Okay, okay, pandemic, i'm sitting in my new york city apartment. I am so bored as we all are, and I like, I need to find A T V show that I can like, go and binge like I need to be here for days on end, and I find love, violence.

And I put on my social media and like, what season do I start? Obviously, U. K, and everyone is like, you have to watch three or five.

You have to watch three or five. And so naturally, i'm like, i'm starting with three. I click on three, your beautiful face pops up.

And the entire season I was obsessed. You were so incredible. I was like, I need to interview this girl.

And I thought this, like, over a year and a half ago to two years ago. So naturally, I flew five thousand miles so I could sit down with you. An interview. Olivia outward.

this is crazy. Ed, this is crazy to me, like i've been a fan of the podcast forever. Like I sway to go the integram everything is wild that he can be nice.

Me, are you kidding me? They going to be. They are going to be so nice to you.

I've actually had people wanting you to come on the show for so working long and I had reached out to your team and I think we had originally been like, we can just do a zoom. I remember yeah, I was like, are you fucking kidding me? I'm not doing a zoom with .

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Let's go back a little bit, okay, because everyone knows you from love violence and you are incredible on IT but before love the violent Young, Young Olivia not that Young but like, you know now i'm not saying she's like ten years all doing this, but you were like, so crazy you are a good girl. yeah. Can you explain what is a good girl? What was your job? What were you doing?

I was a model, but doing grid girl and promotion have to, like, fill the gaps, you know? And I was at this thing we have in the U. K. Called that the torrent car championships is like, pretty like, whatever I was there was a miserable fucking day, was like, the north of england.

And I thought, what am I actually do in, like, standing here, the sad little flag and then the mona girls were there with another team and one of the girl's approaching, and he was like, would you, you know, want to work with us? But you, when you work months, you can only do like monster. You can't do like a bit this Better.

So I said, yeah and then yeah I started like a week after and I did that solidly for, like, got IT four, five years. I was like a months ago. So as everything is like all sporting events like ski, ski track cars and bikes, but it's most crazy.

Obviously it's a bunch hot girls and you're hanging out and naturally I can only imagine, like the parties and the vives, what is one of the wild dest nights out you remember having during that time of your life?

They were always wild like I was the matter at times I turned up with on no sleep like, I mean, I was just a different animal, but then, like, I couldn't do IT now, like I be in a fatal position, like rocking, crying, like I was. I could go out all night and then still look hot the next day was like, you know, it's like to be that age just just a dream but people always say all the ride as a drivers, but you know like the thing was like form of one drivers motive.

They don't drink like really they don't they like they are like quite a weird breed, like they're not super social, is very like you know isolated sport, so they don't really get involved in like you know parting and stuff that was more like I end up like with the mechanic, like I didn't give a ship. He was downs like drink with me and get messy. I was all about IT like, I don't care if you were changing tired earlier. You stopped greeing your hands if you want to go and like, will pound a lot of yoga.

let's do IT like, I had no prejudice and I love that for you. So also, I was I was thinking about IT because i've dated athletes before. I know you're engaged to one and so i'm thinking, like, I forgot that concept. Like when you're Younger, you want to go for these athletes, but IT almost like way till you're like a little bit older because they don't fuck in party.

And that's so like obviously dedicated what they're doing and focus and nothing is going to like just I got to imagine having dedication me know, self control.

I live, I like, it's so annoying the party with us like I don't comprehend IT I want to get a vive olive ya of like how would you describe your dating life before love islands .

give IT to us? So I had a long term relationship with just this practice ship, but I I was waiting for like four, five years. I was at my first real thing, and I was doing mod. Ley, and I was very obsessed relationship.

And almost, you know, my modern agency was so done with me because I would flake on things, because I just wanted to be with him all the time, like I didn't even care to have my money, had no drive. That was a really good lesson for me. I learned.

I am so glad I had that commodation at that Young age, because he taught me everything that I needed to know. Do you know what I mean? Like, yeah, to have your own money, to have your own independence.

I just was obsessed and I was flaking on jobs that he's to do a thing where he would break up with me la on the friday. But i'm, i'm, i'm going whatever. Like you be all anxious and like, I be a mess and then on monday, come back and look, I know, let's work out.

You just pick me and drop me the so when I monster actually gave me like a lifeline that at that time that I needed, it's weird. Everything in my life I feel like would love island monster. It's like the university that from me this like life first, like at that time is like doing monster fut as when I was how much travel IT was as a bit like I don't want to like travel and be away from him because I was like obsessed for some reason.

It's like doing that and seeing the world and meeting new people. Open my eyes and like, my god, this is a massive world at that, and you've made your world so frickin small. Like, for what reason?

So IT kind of about my eyes that how die the situation I was in was, and then that broke down, like, for good reason. But then following that, my dating was, like, pretty erratic. I just used to like, you know, go from wrong guys.

The next I jump in really feet first, like, I am all about that. I want them to obsessed with me, want to be obsessed them. I want to get tattoos.

On the second day, I wanted to move in, like I they could comes a second date with my name tarted on their head. And I been like, yeah, i'm just got, says my friends, like, that's insane and like, like, yes. So I love that that obsessive being in love. So I I was always going kind of once the next chase in that feeling.

Sometimes you have to go through those relationships, right? I don't know anyone that hasn't had that one obsessive relationship that borders unhealthy ah and IT takes you having distance in space from someone to then be like oh my god and IT may literally be like you going away for your job a bunch. And then I understand like weet this should is not healthy whether you're like viewing your friends or the people around you and all of something like, okay, I need to like look at this differently.

At one point, I don't think I had like my own debt cause I was ridiculous. Like I didn't I literally like, when I say pull the rug one of my feet every time you like left me, I was like, I was underway and I was crying and I was, I was just like, I was just, I was so unhealthy and like this. I just learning that at that age, like my late teens, early twenties was like, I think of really important lesson to learn IT.

Just, I remember how I felt, and I thought i'm never gonna let myself be in that situation. Yeah, the brad work walked out tomorrow. I would hurt like I wouldn't over in a day, but I could still get in my car, the iron drive somewhere, get my own house, like actually, I mean, i'm good. Like I would be hard broken, but i'm good. I'm not going on my knees like I was with that situation.

I ve been in one of those two, and I think it's like, we, if he left tomorrow, what happens? Am I OK like, again, heart broken is different than, like, way I litter, have nowhere to live, no money, no friends. My family is gone because I distance myself. Like checking those moment.

I was like, distance in everyone like you and family like, complete stated like, so yeah monster was like, you know, IT was a from me your life fine and we had the best. I travelled the world. This is my thing that I say is like, you know, people get on about grid girls or like, you know, ring girls and this and I families like who we've have men telling us what to do.

Now we ve got other women telling us what to do. If you fill in power doing something and you're safe and you're in an environment like months as a safe is a very safe. Gay for me, who's anyone else to tell me what that empowered me? Change my life if threw me a lifeline.

You know, dad is amazing. But at the same time, you know, I couldn't. I did IT before five years, and you know, IT start.

I got to the end of my think that, you know, when you working for a brand like that is you there is not much individuality like, you know, you have to, how do you hear a certain way or nails a certain way, do this at the other? Towards the end, I, because I felt like I was outgrowing IT a little bit. I like pushing the boundaries, like burning and bridges, you know, just like acting, like acting out, because I like to do that. I'm going to come with their nails like just with the fuck and head .

that's actually really cool over for you to care about the whole concept of how monster helped you because I agree, I like so many people are so quick, especially with whatever women are doing if anything has to do with you're look, they are like it's degrading, you're not empowering yourself and it's like, hold on like why don't you ask me how .

I feel first and I feel like what they think it's without this how I say this without IT coming off really bad. Obviously, I think of myself as some intelligent, but some girls, they are just they just do want to do their fucking in here and and look pretty and that might be their thing in life. And why can you tell them that that's not good enough for that's not hiring like what you know, i'm not telling the girls at NASA you can't work there because i'm not clear of enough to work. They're let people do that thing.

You I thank you for sharing that. Just I welcome love island. okay.

So we're we're going to go through a little bit that for people that don't know also, I just want you to know. I only watch love island UK. I think it's entertaining. I haven't watch the australia. I I have you I dipped .

in a little bit.

but not is IT is good. I don't think anything is good to U. K. It's not not okay. So for anyone who has never seen love island, do, how do you describe like the concept of the show?

It's like good looking girls and guys on the ireland dating is a game showers money at the end. But the essentially it's like you get coupled up and you have chAllenges throw at you and it's it's a test, you know who can find a real connection, a connection real enough to take you to define or and may win that money. Although it's weird with love island like when you're in there, no one really talk gives a ship about the money yeah it's the kind of like you wouldn't you don't even need the money at the end that is just like a thing but it's a kind of yeah no one focuses on that in a weird .

I love that though because I was thinking about IT. I feel like love island is so much more accepted in love than consider like the bachelor. It's like it's not realistic that after six weeks you're going to get married like I love, I love island is like are we going to hit off and are we're going to leave here together as a couple? Yes, that's so much more realistic. And obviously, being in a house together and there's alcohol and there's nothing else to do.

alcohol is like .

two gasses. Yeah, yeah. no. What IT is kind of what they limit.

You are you right? We are you. Do you know, two glasses are my series of, I can't think, do IT? We were all like bulls, the world crazy. So we might have been been limited more than others, but we are two glasses of .

wine and I all bear that's shocking because I didn't realize none of you were hammer.

So all that stuff i'm doing basic. So but i'm just I would be hamed seen happens. And I I don't have my drink.

And then you joking. I was like, honest, I swell. I Better. Can you imagine if we licked IT up? Like fight club?

No IT actually would have been probably like not even arrive because I would have gotten so wild.

So the reason is they sex. I question them every day. The point where, like, if you ask about IT again, you're going to get a written warning is what I was told in the beach because I argued that every day is that the show is because it's about dating, about love. They don't want people doing the stuff driven by alcohol and the next day waking up being like I I don't actually like him any snog team because I was drunk because it's not that gonna won't make sense. They want people keep saying and being in bed together because if they want to, not because they are drunk.

right, which is so different. I like in real life though, because lets to be real.

I mean, I going from living on my own, since I was like twenty one, to, you know, doing what I want to being told, like, you know, you you too glaster IT was a real hard for my head like to deal with.

So I feel like guy would feel that way too. Okay, so that's a really good inside. I did not know. So when you got there in your mind and your experience, like, what was the atmosphere and energy on that.

that series three was the one that, like, blow up, right? So we had serious one, two in the U. K.

That were popular. So I was meant one series too. This is like the day we give us how you were kind like.

tell me the day. So it's really .

like an eye roling kind of like north in ways. But I was approaching in scram. They dmm me so serious to what they, dm, me.

I only watched a little bit of series on IT. IT was, but really like none was really talking about IT. I was doing the month of thing.

I'd started a thing off with this guy was like a rider, whatever, like moke crossing. And I was all about him. We're done the tatoes and stuff after the second day with sweet and then actually good. I ve got IT still now it's .

a bit fat but and we did get d like can .

we get rid of that? He's like at that guy and party horizon til like he's got like the B, D, A. Like know that what kim says, like he's got that big, big energy kingussie shit. Like he's what is that that too. It's just his initial I didn't like this two weeks and would .

you care brad had that?

I don't think so. I don't know. I would have cut IT out of most you're like.

no, I wouldn't care. I wonder, just sliced off during wakes up what you doing? Nothing for everyone thinking brad is alive is good guy you get out to second day yeah.

we're all into IT. They approached me to like, you know so I went and I I didn't we were just dating so I was like, i'll see IT for a went to meat, like interviews, whatever. Then they offered me on I was all like, I was a basic Carrying on as if I was gonna do IT and then IT got to like, let you leaving in like two weeks.

And I was like, or I don't know, like, I got a really good thing going. I like this guy. I law.

This show is IT a bit like you. I've know the kind of the prime managers with the colorful backgrounds. And IT was no one to rethought.

IT was cool. Yeah so I like doing something. I think it's quite cool. And with this guy is so many, I just I just ghosted. I just like to everyone from basic .

V I just like calling .

anos blocked everyone around my life and then basically move him for a good like nine months or something. Anyway, he cheats on me later of this girl. I go like out.

I had like a, you know, just like a sixth sense. I can't remember now the exact you just knew and you're god I just knew and I just honest. I have meat so much I just went like, I was, yeah, I was when .

what did you do? You have to tell some color. Red at Olivia was just .

like writing on my integram, my wild stuff, like ugly pictures of him, like, look at this piece of shit, the cheek. And I was just like stuff that I was ashamed as I could never do that now because people be at all that you can you? I just really enjoyed being like, nobody know.

Like, just say what I once here that was calling up his work on time, I just insane. I was just literally my mom, we were shopping in london when I found out my mum like wrestling me like itself, just trying to get the phone out of my hand. I'm doing so much damage like you need to stop.

You need to stop. I'm like I can't and she's like, he is all for the Better. Now is not on my company, is on this way.

No, I get that feeling. You're like he needs to feel a little bit of the heart that I felt and so I get that .

I get yeah I I just went. I really indulged myself. I treat IT myself to a proper melt down like I I like smash IT four P M rolling around longer like bringing up his work. Just fucking crazy. Ring, is mom just everything i'm like your sound of piece of shit and she's like, oh yeah and then I saw this advert I if swear again, it's like a whole universe I was advert casting for love and IT was like a bus or something too like sea isn't really I thought I should have done that last year so I go my phone and I find these people love and i'm block a couple of them I just ring out don't ranging about shouts to Lucy took the cool I was like, hi.

I was like, you member me who's like, yes, you're the girl that disappear like and I was like, well, I was like, I would love to have a chance to go on a show like the strike face saying IT and he was like, I don't know what the exact is gna say they are probably going to tell you to like, take a running jump he's like, but I will speak to them it's quite late in the day for, like said, I know they think you'd only cast most people I was hunger. I was just then got all my feelings like, what my doing I don't do months anymore like this guy is loser and I did come back like the next day and he's like, you couldn't come on if you leave in two weeks so literally that was there. I went like on a mad like ZARA hall, like other brands are available, and just got all the big dresses. I like two exit. I was gone.

So once you got there and you were hanging, what was, do you think, the biggest key to success on love island?

So my thing going into IT, and you know, i'm really open about this, when I had nervous feeling about going in, I thought, the worst thing you can do this kind of shows, I think, is going, we boot, I M weak one and know any members you were there like, what was the point?

Like i've left months said they are not going to have me back of burn of those bridges i've left on modeling agency i've know screwed off the guy that was saying like I felt like I I wanna do this. I have to do this properly and i'm going to make sure everyone knows that i'm in the building. Like that was my main thing and I really know.

I just thought i'm going to I I thought myself, I get in them and I forget this cameras. I just going to do IT how I would live life. But it's crazy like I don't says IT like after like twenty four hours you really forget like you really forget you being watched oh my god.

Like you know, there were certain members in that villa who maybe worth slightly more cane and were, you know, more self aware. I've always been unself aware. I'd like to say, like, if you put me in now, I know that they get how many billions of years at night that I would behave a different way. I probably wouldn't, because I can. I cannot be anything but a hotness I always .

like about on my show. I guy, self awareness is so key, I know live yours walking like I am so unself aware. Can you give us examples of what you mean because you don't see I get what you're saying of like the hot maz are you look great put together right now you're speaking eloquent, but what do you mean by your unsoftened .

just you know I hate this expression, but you know like where your heart and your sleep and very like I feel something or I don't like something I don't like someone I can help but kind of either my face says that on my mouth says that one of them is gonna IT like I can't you know, I can't be a wall flower despite trying at times it's like verbal diary. I feel like i'm really like cheering my lips and I just got.

did you get in trouble for that a lot when you were Younger?

I like, oh my god, my mommy just say to me like, why is i'm adhd which I know now, which is plays a lot, but at school I, you do the wear shit and then getting so much trouble and then i'd cry on the way home. My mom, why did you do that? I like, I don't know. I just know.

Okay, we will made for really great reality TV. Okay, so wrapping up of islands, when you look back, what did you learn about yourself during your after filming that tire experience?

If I watch her now, like you, I watch myself in love, violence. I was quite a angry, just my back was that you like, I was looking for an argument all the time. I think of mellow and I think it's there's nothing always done differently because that's who I was at that time and hindered in age.

I'm a lot more relax now. I wouldn't get wound up about those kind of things, but that's who I was then. And also is like everything that has happened in my life is as a result, if i'd gone in there like you, medicated in the corner, like not talking, then I wouldn't be sitting here. I think .

that's such a good answer because I I relate to that. We're like, I started my show and I was ten times crazier saying, should that probably, like, maybe wasn't at the now I look back like I would never fuck about a girl. I think it's like that growth, right? No, like you can change nothing.

I changed. I just grown and have a different outlook on like the way I was when I was Younger. And there is different reasons why you did what you did on that show. And if you went in there, you still be loud and route but you wouldn't maybe come off like in certain ways like you did in the past because you don't have that like baggage of those men bucking you over like you do when you were going in. yeah.

Congratulations of the new dark series, getting filthy rich yeah, first of all, I just have to ask you, like, how does I even .

feel i'm already having massing posted syndrome, even being here with you, but that just take me over the sitting and else no.

no, on IT because you're a boss like it's incredible. So I want to just explain. I got an advanced copy of the first episode. And so to anyone listening, this show follows a libya on her journey as he participates in various ways people use their body to make money on the internet. In the episode I saw, Olivia day dives into the world of only fans.

SHE creates a profile and interviews a number of content craters to see what really goes on behind the scenes with people making money on only okay, to check my self, like, let's check ourselves. How do we look okay? Have you ever considered doing only fans prior to creating the series?

I'm not in a serious way. I think i'd thought about IT because I had heard this thing. People get sign to me.

H, you should be kind this photos that you pose. You should, you could make loads of money. And only fans kept hearing that again and again, again.

So I was interesting. Inking is IT as easy as that, right? So that was more, I think, you know, I think, take me back.

Pretty love island like, you know, grid goo Olivia, a SHE probably would have done. Fans know. I mean me right now where I was, I was modest trade. That is simple as sounds. That sounds way too good .

to be true totally is, is only fans. What started IT for you were like, what how did the show come about for you?

I think we were, you know, I was really looking to get into, like, doctor, serious world, obviously being from reality TV like, you can be obvious ly put in a box and i'm happy with that box. I actually love reality TV and i've got no like desire to be like it's the worst thing and get me out that box. But I was interested.

I feel like, you know, on a good day when i'm so. But i've got a quite decent brain. I can articular myself like to a certain degree.

So I thought I definitely more springs the table. So yeah, we were talking with different networks, different ideas. And when this one came up, I thought that's a really good fair and i'm genuinely fascinated. So it's gonna like you expLoring that area is gonna a genuine interest?

absolutely. And I feel like I know I only saw the first episode like IT translate. It's like I was talking about IT with my team and we were like this is exactly what you were meant to do in terms of, like I don't know many people that could have handled that as Gracefully and respectfully, but also made IT so fun as you because IT is like a sensitive topic and definitely another woman needs to be in that room but also someone that's like willing to see both side and be a part of the experience. I thought I was really cool. So you get on only fans in episode one, what was the most difficult aspect of being on only fans?

The twenty four hour aspect of IT? Like I didn't. I really thought I was something where the way IT was sold to me, you know, from people, sports, you made the profile, you stick to put the pictures on and the money just comes in.

That's not how you make money. The money is made in the dms. Like the constant communication is like the girls are making the big money. They are on the site twenty four hours a day like, you know, talking to these people respond and when you don't respond because they've paid with your page, they just hold you like a question like you, where are you like, you know, I was like quite taken back by that first.

I was also because again, I think that's why I loved how you're peeling this layer back of like everyone listening if you don't have only fans we all kind of have this idea in our head ride of like you're write the girl has the profiles SHE post some photos SHE gets money and in this episode, IT was so fascinating and everyone needs to go watch IT because IT really gives this inside look of how hard these women are working.

Like when you were like, so what would happen if a guy is gonna pay you, like a thousand dollars to sex him and you're out and choose like, I would go to the bathroom. I was like, oh, shit. Like, yes.

IT never stops. S and I could see you were kind of like, weight. This is giving me anxiety, having this many messages on my phone, and these people kinds thinking they have like a claim over me of, like, hi, like, you owe me something. yeah. Did you feel empowered while on only fans?

I don't think I did because I had the account, obviously for documentary purposes through IT was my own. But I also I couldn't take like ownership public because because I was trying to find that line of like you are using IT and i'm seeing that works to do you justice to the show. But also it's not mine in the sense where i'm gonna engage in like you not only say news that because they would be out there forever.

So IT was hard for me to land in a place where I felt like I was in control. I guess because you these people subscribed, they want nudity. They want like, they just want bikini pictures, like, that's the biggest myth. I think, you know, I think if you are already famous, whatever you can monitor, ze, you became you under a pictures for a certain amount of time, a limited amount time, and then you're gonna have to do more. Or IT is gonna die out or you're going to be earning not enough to let live?

Or I think that's also in sidewalk because I feel like i've heard a lot of people like oh, i'm just gonna post some of like my bikini photos on there and no one really talks about how IT lasts for two seconds and then people get annoying. It's like will take your top off off. And there's a lot of IT feels like pressure on the site that I don't think a lot of women .

are prepared for a hundred percent. I think a is like is crazy like you the dm start coming through like you know five hundred quid for IT to a picture of your nipples and it's like if you are in a situation where you need five hundred quid, like how easy would that be just and I think this is disconnected or in there between ing something in real life and doing with your phone well that you could just do IT and send IT and there's the money but then it's like it's gone and you can never bring IT back and I think first I know sounds like I said that with judged because I know you can see what I have no judgment.

But I think the danger is that I think for some girls it's appetite grey and they killed and that you know every every downside of IT like the preconceived notions that like, you know, there are horror they promise is is what for ducks back. But for a lot of girls, they can't like, and they find themselves in these on this site, and they weren't expecting the pressure, and they maybe submission to pressure that they weren't going to, they go in there saying, i'm going to do X Y SE ad and they end up doing more. And then you that feeling regret and shame, and I think that's sad.

You know, totally. I felt like in the episode you did a really good job of meeting with, like, a multitude of people showing the difference. Like there were some people in this episode that had such a nh like way about going about IT, like whether IT was the fitness woman that was doing fitness and then sometimes naked while doing fitness.

And it's like SHE kind of had her angle and SHE felt I think IT appeared empowered because he was doing something SHE loves, which is working out, and then just monodist ing the hell out of IT. Then there were some other girls that were kind of like, I started and I just kind of started like with just underwear pictures and and then IT starts where what is the boundary and they've crossed IT for themselves and then I sure that feels like there's no going back. Yeah, did you feel like when you were around all these women, did you feel like they appeared to be empowered by what they doing?

I think IT was a mix, to be honest. I think some very much, yes, and some not so much. Like, you know, I always my thing, I went back to make the grid girl thing.

It's like the whole families argument is like who is anyone else to say what empower was someone if someone is telling me this makes me feel, as an empower woman, more power to you, like get IT like a hundred percent. But I think there was some that I met with, definitely the other films like you know, the poor episode and sugar babies. Again, we that I meet both sides.

I meet people that I can see really struggling with that lifestyle ice and others that are thriving. So I think it's it's not for everyone. And the thing that was going into in the whole, again, that is like a cheeky title, like how to get filter rich.

But the idea was to see like easy, actually, that easy, because we will do IT. I do that thing. I'm like, i'm doing something, my arms going to quit, do any fans and do something like and then you realized that.

which I think is great, especially for women, that the show is coming out because I do think it's going to put a stop to that comment because I still agree with you people like, oh, fuck this, i'm going to quit my daytime b and go do only fans and it's like, I don't think people understand the gravity of that comment because of how much not only goes into IT actually physically, but also mentally seeing these women, there's just like a lot behind IT that is for me.

It's like every job right you do in the has like this added tax, right? So if your you know what I do, i'm got you showing every part of my life has attack you instagram an emotional tax IT makes you feel so I feel judge, I feel stressed or if you work in the city and you're there like, you know, six days a week, ten week at night to see your kids, that's attacks. So does this that this is not does not come without the downside.

You know, like the I think you know these sites and you seen in camp girls episode as well, it's like IT is a hiding place for men as well to like express some pretty weird shit like and these girls have to. Read this stuff, hear this stuff, we have no one to really help them, like breakdown the terrible things they are rather said to them or they asked them to do, right? And some of the things that I heard were just absolutely like shocking late, and the fact they have to read these messages and then just get on with their day.

And how does that then affect their relationship with you other straight men in their lives? Because what I think that is so interesting as whole online sexual economy debate, we're also focused on the girls like the girls who do only fans like oh my god, the worst but is our dad's brothers, colleagues who are buying the shit. No one's worried about them there. The ones asking for them to do x why they stick this up. Your rather they're not like these mythical creatures that come up from the service.

They are the men in our live. I love how you're saying that as much does the pain people. You're right, dad. If your brother, because the man doing IT is someone's son is someone's dad is someone's has we have .

a problem with them? We have a problem with the girls providing the contempt, millions of pounds a year. This isn't like a niche. This is like the majority ity of men. No, the majority .

is really interesting. Talking about cam girls, I was interested because I obviously haven't seen the episode, but can you explain what a cam girl is and how it's different from participating on only fans?

So for me, when we were sitting down going to make the show, when we talk about what the different episode bay, I was like, calm girls. I think I don't, if you have IT in the states, like baby station on the T, V, the channel where they ve got the phone, and I like even thing, and I felt like I would flick on to my Young ger and like, oh my god, right so but IT, hands out, is still a big money industry.

And this is like, yeah, we were I spent twenty four us, a studio where is on the phones. But it's also like web camps that they kind of like they log on and they pay to be on like the stream and the girl's there and then they can call the phone and the girl take the phone. So it's like they can also do IT from their home in the studio, but it's contained to let the .

site do you know me? Yeah did you find that .

most of those who have an or most because that is just a no brain, but a lot of the girls who work in the site, they maybe have only fans and they just like kind of determined because they do the camping because they they like the fact that they log on for a camping shift for like five, six hours and then they they go and they leave and it's done. Where is like only fans never leave alone is constantly you on your phone .

never get great.

So they find like doing the camin or going to a studio and being a camp girl like work and then let you like clockwork go home. And they have got kids and Normal lives and husbands and they just leave that. And then the next day they go back and make about to work.

That makes sense because the only fan's episode really you like again, you guys to go watch IT because you feel how it's in every day, every minute of your light thing where now makes now understand them like why I would a girl do camp girling if it's only fans, you can do IT from home. There is a boundary, do you know? Like which camp girls? Obviously we haven't seen episode yet, but like the idea of IT. Like who would make the most money? Like what kind of version of gaming?

In what sense?

Like these are? Are there different things that girls do that you can make like a different tear in?

I mean, like it's insight. One thing across all episodes will say is like this, I really wants a sit down like with a clinical psychologists and pick this apart because there has to be a reason that this feete thing right across every single episode, this is undercurrent about feet. So the girl and the company of the ones who are like, great at the feature, who can, like, dangle the select, and they are big toe, like, do all the day killer, because literally six other ten calls will be about fate.

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You talk about sugar babies? What was the biggest misconception you had about shelter babies?

That is always an exchange, maybe for sex, for money. And I met girls, you know, people might roll their eyes metal bullshit. No, these girls are like, honest with me.

Like there is arrangements where is not sexual? It's just dinner like or it's just company, or it's some of them. It's not even in person.

It's just talk king and he might, you know pin them like five hundred quid or whatever. So I who the hell is going to give someone money do you know I mean for nothing? Yeah, ally, yeah. I've heard of people also.

like I had a friend that did IT and IT was just to go to dinner and just to basically be his date. And i'm like, eventually is gonna progress to sex? Eventually they they do kind of ask, I think, but like for a while you can kind of stay in that gray zone which again, kid reminds me the only fancy ah you can stay in this gray zone for a little bit of like i'm comfortable with this and then someone's going to ask, you have to know like how to set that .

boundary for you a hundred percent. And I think one of girls i've met SHE should had this arrangement with the guy. Like three, four years. She's never had sex with him.

And SHE said, it's all about you approach like from gate one, you set that you is the way approach situation that you approach that guy and you let him know that. And I think that, you know, experience, age, everything comes into the same of only fans. I think, you know, you have to be a very strong person to this is my boundaries. And i'm not gonna move well as I think if you approached the and you're not really sure what you're going to your angle is, and it's easy if someone maybe covers you so because you don't even know .

yourself and what did you find is the hardest thing about being a sugar?

I think maybe just living in that limbo land, you know, it's like you don't have a boyfriend but you're not single and and they essentially they they are the one handing at the money. So you have to kind of, you know I guess I me IT depends much money with talking. You know a lot of the girls, it's like half of them to have a Normal job ambient sugar baby, because some of these guys want them with them all the time.

And then you know I think some of them girls are sport to its like it's great if you've got a great thing going but if he does like drops you like that you can go from living this like on real lives. So that's what it's like being smart, like you getting the allowance bank in the money where I was like. I think if you're Younger and just like living life and spending and then he's just like all by you could be like kind of my part .

I kind of feel my car like it's a very fine line of like thriving and succeeding and using the system and kind of like doing your thing with IT. But you have to know, like this takes way more work than we give these women credit .

like they are straight up hustlers. Like if you the girls that do IT right, it's like it's it's an art form at at the peak. Like you know, like you say, it's like it's like any relationship when you're yard and or like you know, you're not thinking straight.

You don't set your bounders with a standard. So that means the standards is in the Better. This is all a mess.

Like it's like anything you have to go in and be like, this is what IT is. This is what I want from you. This is what i'm going to give you if .

we little we need someone to like that's done this to like create a crash course, which I kind of think you're in a way, this is like the beginning of IT because by you peeling this layer back is giving people kind of that like of what the world will be if you're interested in IT. And I think for a while, there hasn't been not. So women are just blindly going into IT because there are just have money on the mine, which I so get. Who does that? But it's like there's no idea like how far is going to go, what's going to happen .

because I think what I love about this show is that is I can immersive documentary, but IT has hard and IT has human and we're not coming up from an angle as I think other shows that have looked at the subject are coming from like a slightly judgmental IT feels kind of like CD. I don't think there's anything wrong with you know dating someone for like financial gain or you know life experience or you know whatever IT may be for travel.

Like what the hell do you do too concerning adults? You you're not hurting anyone. What does that matter? Yes, but I think that you say that Young girls need to. And I think this what this show is nice because it's very baLanced. We're not glorifying anything is the girls are really honest that like I make you bonis h like i'm making turn you fifty ground in my best month but it's a heavy load to Carry like it's not just as easier as that, you know, totally.

I know I haven't watched IT yet and we're all going to see IT, but you also experienced the porn hub world. 嗯， what was your approach for that episode where you nervous?

I was excited. Oh yeah, was excited. I was like, I actually got say in the begin of episodes, like I ve only seen one penis for last couple of years.

I like, let's see. So I was excited like season willies and like just be among st there. And also just as someone that's like everyone's watch porn, but to actually see how it's .

made yeah how was .

that like like like jr, i've been obviously I went to org one time. I'm like giggle link you know when it's right there in the flesh, but it's just it's also different to how you imagine it's be like I learned like the concert you know on the sun nose in the website. That's like gavaskar and do you have gave scot is like like heartburn medication they just throw out over the girl's face, not.

Even see me and stock, I sweat the beginning of the show. They're sit all they pour like this heartbeat medication or something like goop, and they position IT all perfectly and they do all the photos because I was thinking, like actually you think about now and make because who has like that much semon and also the positioning of bits always like perfect, then they wipe all off, then they do. Then i'll do you still short, then they will plan out like you're going to be there doing doggy is just mental. Is full production, full .

production, which I think is nice to hear. And i'm glad that yeah like breaking down that well again because I know when I was like, i'm gna get a facial from the sky's penis and he's go all over my face and I were the first time happened and went right in my eye and I fully was like black out. I couldn't see I was just like fucked for the rest of the week and i'm like White. Why does look like this on porn? Because IT doesn't actually back and happen that doesn't happen like that.

What why are people do you think, still shooting for porn sites, if only fans exist?

We had this kind of that was like a question, went through out that film. And ultimately is there is still a demand for high production value in people still like IT. You know only fans I think is like your impersonating intimacy.

You know it's like intimate thing back on for the messages. You know giving someone that like personalize experience where's paul is much more you know a fantasy. It's costumes IT might be in a style that someone you know like they do so if I should and whatever like it's a different it's .

a completely different thing. But aren't women in porn not making as much?

Are sorry that .

the actions you know that was .

actually yeah so a lot of them are doing both all now. But the thing is with the bigger point starts, they might have really big contracts with black of brothers or you know digital playground is something and they like on really good money. So it's and I think they are some of them have like no only fans policy know if you have that contract and I know about that, the money you can earn is a lot more in the states than IT is in you know the U.

K. In times a poor is stuff yeah the bigger porn does. I think they stick to their like is like a trade isn't IT like you know, it's there's a skill they've you know and they have they make really good money. So they don't all they have to do is go and maybe shoot two films a week and get like the big check or is what they have to do. Only fans to make the same would be way more liberal in .

your episodes and through your experience. Like, did you find any women struggling with knowing if they wanted to stay in? Partner.

not I. I met a girl who was alex, who was, he had done only fans, and he was wanting to move into porn and SHE to me with someone who seem really unsure. I feel IT filled me a of anxiety after I met her, actually.

And he went, and he did like, I think, like a hand, your video, whatever. And SHE hate to IT. And then SHE was, IT wasn't for her and I was like, thank god that you did that and not something else.

Like, so you could make that decision. I spoke to do the girls who were like regular pots, like sky, like I spoke to, like a lot of the really professional shoots they will have, like check check at the beginnings. They'll like, they'll go through IT the stars. I'll be like anal tech or stranger.

Ling, you got to know, do you show and the x and take everything that's like a yesterday no and then that's like the print like no one strays from that he said don't touch my ourselves that he can advice do you not mean but then SHE says you should go to shoots where like they don't do the chat list and it's just a little free for all. So there is I think there is risk involved. But I think that's why only fans, as always, appealing to lot sex workers because, you know, IT IT takes away about that wrist. K doesn't need have .

having to interact with other people. absolutely. yeah. Which episode was your favorite to create and why?

In a surprise, I want this, I think. But calm girls, I think is my favourite episode. Purely just is a really harbor m because, like, they love them all. I like my babies.

But cm girls and the girls I met with, just, I really, I don't know, I just connected with them, like, IT was just so much hard, and they were so open with me. And I was such a diverse, like, kind of range of girls who like, ghost this study, do this job SHE so crazy to a lot of us like you. And then they they go home when their mothers or theyve got other jobs. And it's just like they are so much more than what people would page on and hold them as. And I just loved, I loving the studio.

I love o just I in a room by themselves it's like this big .

studio and it's like like section down all the way it's open, right? And each booth is like different colors or different themes. And the girls are all in there on the fold and the web come. And when you evening was in, that is just a room of like sex noises, dirty, like all competing over each other but they say, like they can hear each other a bit .

but it's not that .

loud but to me I was like, how can you even think strike because it's like little i'm talking like, you know, like when you go to photoshop, t police ran. That's what separating each thing. And IT was my head when I left at night was like spinning, was like just listening to everything. The phones ring in I aon, the phones, this guy, and he's like panting down the phone. I was like, this is.

did you talk to somebody?

Yeah, it's like giving him all the chat. And then I .

could IT give us a little preview.

Give me like, hey, baby, you honey. And then I don't american act that just me out. I feel like if you're going to do a porn voice, IT has to be amErica even really, yes.

like that because I just feel .

like most poor you watch is give .

me your best american. Hey, baby, are you honey?

Do you want to see? Was that not in? Hey daddy, hey dad, can yeah really .

getting so noisy like daddy king. That's really interesting too. Did you find A A lot of these women in the camp world were like friends or did was a kind of like to get out of there?

I think that's why I that's why kind of got emotional involved with that place because they were like it's like a bit of a severity of like they was all like what was nice is that in the thing which I think makes doing only fans or coming from home really hard if they got a cool and some guy asked them, like to do some terrible thing, you, if we will, call up and ask that disturbing things, like, we pretend to be like my sister and my mom and i'm gonna rape you.

What is just horrendous and they would have to like, mentally like, process the fact that that is an actual human being out there in the world to having these thoughts. They then have each other to lean on. They can be like, I just had this call, and they all can relate. Whereas, you know, other girls who doing only fans and maybe they are other girlfriends aren't doing only fans if they bring in their friend who works like as a dental hygienist and like sometimes just asked me to stick K A more controller on my .

ice like she's .

going to be like, ah yes, I can help where is I think it's like being around other girls who do the same thing and they can overlook each other .

and that amazing. And I think it's it's just called to hear that because I can imagine at times the only fans world can be a bit isolating and lonely because the perks of shooting home sure are great. Then being alone like what the bug .

and it's all about the numbers and IT can be quite competitive, I think. And they session over yeah totally.

So you really immerse yourself in each of these episodes. Was there ever a specific moment where you felt uncomfortable?

Gender is that what is hard for me is like, i'm open and pretty liberal like I you know this. It's hard because this stuff that I would do if I wasn't like live from love island because I was trying to always walk the line of, like, I wanna do this document you, I wanna be immersive, want to get my hands dirty. I also want people to, like, not get ws, I don't want this to become about me.

So if I, you know, I was thinking of only fans, I want to post something more sexy to like see how that. But then i'm thinking the only thing what happened is then that fight with me just get pulled out of their, put in british tabloid out of context, and then it's not gonna become about what is about. So IT was me trying to be really missive without going to a point where people get distracted. And I just worried about what I am doing. Oh my god, she's got a care of, you know, i'm sure this when the show comes out, you know, there is gonna be, you know, that I do this sex or whatever in people I was an extra, a poor now and what they shit and I love that but it's like, yeah, I was just found to .

trying to find the right, right. We in the porno do .

you get make IT? No right? We see. I maybe wouldn't got.

I wouldn't like went to or I like for who I am now yeah because they would .

have then people would have been like, I know she's just yeah and again, it's almost like the whole thing. I'm doing this documentary and i'm wanting to like right down these walls of like stigma in the way we picked on her women. And then i'm i'm there that was like a head fuck because I like what I can't go in my underwear too many times and people be like wishes not really represented because he is going to IT is like and i'm feeling the same staying myself it's like a .

matrix yeah I when I was watching episode one and with the only fans there were when two of the girls were shooting on the side, you made a comment and you're like, oh god, I have this like, i'm feeling like this maternal instinct towards these girls. what? Why did you feel that?

I think I know they seen a talk ment IT just those two girls were so Young and, you know, I don't want to stand paton's zing. They prety late with fuck off. We're fine.

Like my dream business, grandma. Like, you know, at me, when I was their age, I had been thinking on literally making money. But I just think I just that I saw especially more in one and the other.

I was like, I reminded me as her age, and I was so like ambitious and I reckless. And he might be way more mature than I am and SHE might do this for the next ten years and smash IT. And I hope that is the case.

But you know, when someone about Younger than as a girl and I just looked to her, I I, I I just felt SHE was talking about reading out the messages, you would have some guys that were cause like really emotionless and I just thought, I hope that you're OK. I I know I just and that sounds really working paton's zing, but. Me being really honest that I felt in that moment not you know, I know judgment. I just is like more like a big sister feeling .

I wanted to like, yes, I mean, I felt watching because I was, oh god, I want to maybe aren't I and grow mentioned like this guy like sending my address and said, I know where live I was like, yeah, when IT comes to safety of these women, that's where I get really nervous. And I think that's something that's not talk about enough like, sure, we can glamorize all of IT that the media does, but like this show is helping because you're hearing from their mouth, you know, other people that got up of like what their day is like you say.

is like taking out the shadows like your friend and once have a sugar daddy fine, but he needs to feel like he can tell you and where she's going, raking off into the dark and I M in judge, yes, if they feel like safe and it's accept that they can tell their hat on. I drop my pain, you can check that you know i'm safe because it's like .

a micky woo IT is which of the four ways selling essentially your body on the internet seemed like the healthiest and safest .

option got. That's really hard because I feel like it's just dance. The individual, some people, you know, being a sugar baby just wouldn't work whether you know are the people being I couldn't spend much time on my phone.

I hate how much time spend on my phone as IT is like doing instant myself. But I could not be that logged into a website, you know. So yeah, I think it's person to person. Yeah, it's interesting .

because it's like if you are a super outgoing person, maybe the sugar baby situation is more for your personality whereas maybe if you're like more introverted or whatever, like maybe only eat or that could not be the case like everyone's gonna feel .

if you want to be out and you want to to travel and you, anna, be social, like being should maybe be great. You know, voice first. So I think here what okay.

So now we're like wrapping up, like having this conversation. I really appreciate this year is and what you're doing to kind of conclude in this conversation though, like what advice would you give to women after experiencing and watching all of this that are interested in getting into either camping or only fans or porn or sugar baby? So I think as hard .

as there is like to block out the outside noise of, like what other people think you should be doing. Because I always think when people say always something bad, like, does IT feel bad? If if makes you feel good, go for IT.

But think, think about IT. Like, don't like to sleep on IT a little bit and also going into any of those areas of work as hard as IT maybe to sticks and I think trying and go in with like your boundaries. This is what i'm gonna you I always think you're with only fans that won.

The massive issues is like the content leaking if something which unfortunately at the moment the leaking is such a problem, whatever you post nine times that of time will be league. So if you would just die if that was out and your family, friends saw IT, then maybe you don't post there. Yeah if you wouldn't, if you can iron IT, then do IT I think he says, like, yeah, having your boundary and and what you can be happy.

I I love that because I feel like that even just the first episode, I was so interested in listening and really learning from IT. And there are so many great things that I can even imagine the rest of the series, like every single persons listening, we have to go watch IT when IT comes out because I feel like the boundary thing you're right, that is IT. It's like watching these girls starting on only fans. And the girls were like, I started posting this photo.

But then when you you're so right, when you earlier said, like when someone offers you so much money to just quickly take a picture of your tits and your phone is in front of you, never after like interact and see the man, it's like it's a fake world almost in your mind so you really have to keep in mind of like what did I come into this believing in for myself is right and how i'm going to be able to sleep in at night feeling good yeah I appreciate you saying that you're right. Like nine times I attend these photos will be on the internet and if you are OK with that, thrive here. But just know that line because yeah, I don't think enough people talk about that.

And I right and it's not about glorifying IT or or condemning IT. It's just being .

real like yeah like we're not here to judge. Yeah, we're not saying like everyone goes sign up today like it's happening in the world. So we need to talk about IT, especially because it's mostly women but it's also like let's just have an honest .

conversation like I would say you know about reality T, V, when people is so easy people to condemn, it's like no one's got a gun to anyone's head, right? So if you go into IT with eye, your eyes open. So if you are willing to go onto TV show and expose yourself to the world, think about IT like, don't do you sleep on IT and think of the prison.

The cons make a list is easy. If it's, i'm really impulsive. I literally all medicines like that. But I mean, yeah, they are even a nice idea to wave thing totally.

And I think that I ve won last question, but I do think that was really cool cause cause I was thinking about IT when I was watching that first episode. I was like, I feel like a really also good way for women before getting into IT would be reaching out to some creators and being like, hey, I know you have no idea who I am yeah i'm thinking of starting and only fans you have like five minutes of your time chat because your .

show I just forgot. One area fits me out is the referable thing. So other content created, if they can get someone to sign up, they get like a bonus. So that was one area that I was a bit like like so I think yeah if you want to someone you trust, but I do think it's a bit of IT a thing where like girls, I recreating other girls.

it's a terim motive .

yeah so that's only thing because they give that girl or boy boy let go you like A A bonus if they gets them to sign up so I think, yes, you just have to be really savy.

Okay, you definitely don't return to anyone ever mind, just literally watch lives you, because that you're breaking IT down and everyone has a different perspective. Last question, okay. What was your biggest takeaway from creating this series?

I think attaching IT briefly is just the the interesting that we live in this world, we are all the obsession is on the women creating the contempt. But no one's talking about the people buying IT, right? The reason only finds is what IT is, is because all the men in our society, the demand.

So if not, is anything wrong with that? But I just think it's interesting. We never looking at the people asking foot, you know, whatever IT is. We're always in the people providing IT and you know and shaming them and looking down on them. But we don't worry about the fact that it's probably bobb from next door like he's the one asking for the feet video.

You don't mean I just think we've got a long way to go to move that the sexism in the stigma I think, you know, I hope shows like this will break down boundaries and know IT kind of humanized these girls. I think it's very easy to dehumanized people that work in the sex industry. And I think the online sexual economy is even more dehumanizing because we just see them as like robots online. But these are real people with real lives, with families, with partners, whatever. Yeah, and they should be treated either.

I think that this show truly is breaking down a barrier of, like showing the behind the scenes and exactly what you said. We are all of us are essentially dehumanized because of social media in the world we live in. And this show is like, no, let's humanize these people.

Let's go into their bedrooms. Let's see their lives and see the car they drive. Watch them through data day and it's, I think is amazing.

Daddy ging, you need to go watch IT is going to be amazing. I love you. I so honored your hear. This was so bad. I thank.

The amount of things that are set on love, violence, that as someone from the united states, I had to google seriously, because what is he saying? He's a melt. What is a melt mean? What is happening? What is going on? I'm google like a freak, and I this was obsessed.

I started speaking in the accent, then I was awful. Then I do move on, but I need to go through some of these terms. I ask you to explain them for me.

I have down with the kids enough so I should .

get the OK you can start with again.

The fuck is a melt mean a melt like IT? So a drip, do you say that and say it's like, just like I would Normally if you say about a gara, I got no backbone and they just a drip, just like a wet rag, right?

I feel like we would say like like a pushover.

like week yeah well, maybe it's IT can be a guy or a girl, but a lot of bit time people say about a boy, when they start to like a girl, they go soft, they go to melt like, yeah, yeah, yeah it's that you know, it's like if you're nice to a girl, you're a male if that's what IT is.

that makes sense. Okay, what about he hide me off?

Like ghosted like just okay.

you guys say pie instead .

of gas where we say ghost but pie is like and the day just got IT okay.

mugged off. The similar .

thing like mug up would be more just like, yeah a guy just kind of toss you aside like with not much explanation and .

if you were saying something attractive, you guys would say .

he's first yeah of that and IT has no like relation to their physical like what would you .

call someone if you're like, oh, is fucked, ed? A lot of girls, sugar, sugar. Okay, we would say, I I tried to do the exam so bad. It's like a mixed like australian and greit is awful. Okay, so we would probably say like he's a player .

like a man for all, but not a bit a haga like .

saga saga. Okay, what start my okay cracking on. What does that mean?

Cracked in on but Normally may like you meet a girl, you've exchange number.

you guy that you crying on you yeah we would say like vibrating yeah got IT. Okay, what is grafting?

You know, I can't think of what the american time would be, but like working a girl like A D M. You asking you out is put in the word is got the hard on the boots, the shovel like he is just doing everything like you see that .

is a negative kind of no like like he's putting in work yeah like they .

need to grow like for sure because I member .

in the show was like, oh, he's really grafting or he's grafting, grafting or grafting.

If in the north .

grafting we're grafting. Okay, that makes a lot of sense because I was so fun. I think that's also why enjoyed because I was a learning so much about the.