Holiday Parties & High School Reunions (ft. Laren)
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What is that daddy game? IT is your founding father, alex Cooper, with call. Daddy gang, welcome back. Another episode, call her dad. I am joined today by my lovely best friend, a fan favorite, Larry Michael lin, or as I call her lam.

hello, dad. Again.

we were just laughing because we rarely do this when .

we podcast together. We've never podcasting with like no or a laptop.

Something came over us and maybe it's because it's like the holiday season, we like really wanted to come prepared and give the gift of a little bit of an organised eb ode. It's still going to be a little unhinge ched, but lorn and I wanted to talk about thanksgiving this year together, because what Better way to celebrate thanksgiving? The new guys popping on an episode, arid and hanging out with lorn.

And I am so aware that some of you could be alone today, be you fucked and hate your family. Maybe you love your family, and you're listening to this with your family. Regardless, we are here for you.

So I just get into IT. We have anyone talk about this. What are you gonna doing for .

thankful ving this year? So i'm doing two. Thanksgivings this year, i'm doing one in lousianner in the middle of november and then i'm doing one in pennsylvania on actual think's giving oh wow wasn't entirely planned to do two thanksgivings. I've never done two thanksgivings before but um I guess I just have ripped the band set off in the first minute of the episode. Um I recently went through a break up and the plan was to spend thankfu giving with my x boyfriend's family so I was gonna with my own family in the middle november and then go celebrate with his family on actual two things. I'm just celebrating the twice with both sides of my family OK.

Well, i'm going be honest. I don't there is a Better holiday to have two of then thanksgiving because it's just meaning that you're getting to eat really good foods. I feel like that kind of a blessing.

I'm not i'm really complaining. What are you doing? What you're hosting? And OK first wasn't .

supposed to be the plan. Thank you. Thank you. I was not supposed to be hosting this year. I was very, very adamant about not hosting. I think I talked about this episode before, but I am a good host, but I really have to be in the mood. And I think there's .

no escape for you.

Oh, there is no escape.

And you're like an escape artist that like a party.

Yes, like, I like to relax and I like to get out when I want to get out. And I feel like that i've been so busy that holidays are so important to me. Like I really, really want to spend time with him and I want to be present.

And I know that when you're hosting, you can't really be present with each other. Like i'm not going to be sitting on mouse laugh like making help with him and like shoving corn bread in my face. Like i'm going to be making sure everyone is like situated and their plates are filled and like we're eating last and like.

so how how did you get like corinto .

the park in my host? Yeah so I think we were first initially saying don't host because we like my family was coming to and we thought I was gonna be like a couple of years ago I was literally like forty something people IT was fucking in time and we had people inside and outside and was overwhelming.

Now this year, math mom called us and was like, you guys, it's literally just our internal side of the family on math side, like my family staying on the east coast this year. So it's gonna be smaller. So first he was going to be hosting. And then all of a sudden, matt, I were like, should we just offer? Like, I felt bad because our house is a very good hosting house.

Your house is very conducive to host. Yeah, the inside you got, the outside you ve got, the outdoor hears you got the outdoor bar or yes.

we've definitely set ourselves up. Host, so I think we just had a moment where we're like, why are we making your mom do this? Like, let's just talking.

taking once you go over the mental hump of hosting, not like I host many things I feel over mental hump, then you can kind of start to get codes in the lake. Or now I got to pick exactly the food I want. I get to pick exactly the vibe and the people and like, now you can just like own IT and make IT exactly what you want.

No, you're right. And there was also something about like mentally for a minute thinking that match mom was doing IT now that it's like, I don't know why, but it's something like knowing someone else was going to do IT and now it's back on me. I am less stress than the whole time I had been like man outs are hosting this entire year. Now it's kind of like who gives the fucker .

is let's minute. I don't have matching things.

I'm taking one .

for the team. I'm doing this for you. So like, no judgment of which are many.

Oh, what's my menu and you thought that far had, oh, no math moment is going to be cooking everything. Math mom and math sister will be doing all the cooking and math. I always, to every single family went. We bring the alcohol. We are not the shifts in the family, but I have the menu in terms of, like, what I wanted.

Yeah, what do you wanna?

Are we going over like our favorite thinks .

saving food ds hit me.

We've never talked about this is friends. And I feel like, I feel we kind of have different food palace ts.

and like things we like. If we go to a restaurant, we're good because we will do a group order and we're always aligned. But for some reason, I feel like we're about to be aligned on this. okay.

So my favorite like I just feel like top favorite thanksgiving foods.

Okay, first, are you a size person or you a main course person? I'm a side's person.

I think .

that's an obvious answer.

Like you are a main course person. Like you, is you looking forward, the appetizers or you're looking to so I would say on the side's person, I would say I could IT number one on my list. And I know this is controversial. Maybe is stuffing. I am a stuffing girl to and through our u stuffing girl.

it's low. That's pretty low in my list. I feel like stuffings can go wrong really quick and they can be dry.

No, I am. I was like, I don't want to be become off as high tenants, but my mother on law loves to cook for .

me like you were here yeah like SHE brought us a pumpkin pie was like girls .

texting later house he loves to cook for me and I remember IT was like the first thanksgiving I was doing with map. And i'm such a fuck and freak about stuffing and I remember I was like whispering the map before we went to his mom's unlike I just like feel like you've been kind of telling me your family doesn't like emphasize carbs as much and like stuffing and i'm really getting anxious because like i'm a cb family like I love my mh potato .

max family's healthy so I would be anxious going in and be like, are you to be doing like a gluten free I was like just to cut .

the carbs learn I was absolutely on the edges of my seeing like I don't want a fucking miss out on a good thinkers giving if U. S. Are doing healthy like let me know and i'll go to boston market, pick up a couple little thing exactly.

And so his mom, for my first thanksgiving, made two different stuffings to complete that. When you know that, when you know he was so nice, and I remember trying, what was the difference between the two? One was way more like at fat ID. And IT was just like doused .

in missing butter.

And like all the, and then the one that was like somewhat healthier that other people were eating was actually pretty enormous. But she's a great cook, but all stuffing. Number one, I would say creamed corn, the sweet potatoes with the marsh meals on top.

I have to have the good corporate. The thing is, who is think's giving food? You guys? I'm someone that tips IT all together like, I mean, to get my turkey, my ham oh.

you hate that and they can't touch i'm not the weir person who's like, oh god, my food can touch but like, I do not mix IT all around. I'll go back three times because i'll do like little ventures. So did they stay in .

their section? You're not onna. Get a little turkey with gravy and put a little .

like math potatoes on IT gravy .

and turkey that's Normal .

a little stuff with no, no, no.

please. You can comment down below. Are you and alex are a laun? I need you like, I need a sandwich essentially of my food altogether in my mouth.

Ideally I have one of those child's plates that has like the dividers and they keep them in their so nothing's bleeding over and that.

okay, what does your top like go to?

So my family is from like lizana and like the deep south. So like are thankful. Skiving foods are like, so like southern and rich and like I love them. Number one is definitely the sweet tato casual with the a Brown sugar in the mushrooms on top.

Number two would be Green mushrooms, marshmallows oh my god.

because i'm thinking ahead to the Green bean cash with the mushrooms and that but got a bit those touch that would be disgusting. Green bean cafe being cater. It's like literally can Green beans with can cream of mushroom soup and the can are the little french you put on time .

and you beaten. So ve.

you know something I saw on social media about thanksgiving food. Someone was like, do you think it's like telling why we only eat thanksgiving ving foods once a year because they're not good?

I'm the other creep on social media that like posted being like why can't we very when you that .

we're like legit like getting in a fight day and you're like, yes so the other things getting I woke up and like that through away all the leftovers.

This was a literal point of contention in my home, and I was OK. So was the first time we hosted. And when you are not hosting, you're not taking fucking leftovers from people's house. So this was the first in our relationship.

I also, if you're I guess you leave all the left dollars with .

the host usually unless they offer IT to you okay. I also want to hear comments on if you're the host, don't you agree you're got to keep the leftovers and unless you offer IT.

yeah you're all floating.

So fast forward, we host for the first time. And I remember I had like. I think I promise, I I really, I love, how was I promise in my brain I really thought I told that to keep the leftovers. Now in hind, I I don't think I told him.

I think I was in my brain like a fucking no brain or matt, like what are you fucking doing if you give all the leftovers s way so I remember I came down the next morning and like something I used to do is a tradition in my family. We would make um like thanksgiving sandwich es the next for lunch yet like with bread and some cranberry sauce and the turkey and the grave in the whole thing. Alex sawn turned downstairs ready to eat a pumpin p lice and I opened my refrigerator and IT spotless. I was like .

knowing that you d like Whited IT down to IT was like freshly clean like not even this is a smell of thinkers giving .

was left behind. No, not literally clorox to the bucket and grim. And I remember I look in the refrigerator and like, look at our other.

I'm like looking Oliver and I looked to matter. Like wears the food. Like, oh, like everyone took leftover. Like we're something left.

So something so proud like like honnyman got to all out of the house for us.

Don't worry. And I modified and I remember being like mac. I'm genuinely except to the point where I made him go to the grocery store with me that day and buy the stuffing mix, that I could remake stuff for myself so I could have IT with dinner.

And yes, I brought that up to max like a for hosting this year. You Better believe, mother fucker, we are not giving away our fucking food. And he was like, okay, bay, like IT makes you wonder how I married to this man.

What is the vibe of your thankful to giving? So like, is IT like stuffy formal? Are you getting dressed up? Or like, are you wearing like this?

So here's a problem that I feel like I deal with, not even just in thanksgiving, but like my every single day. Life is like, I want to be the girl that dresses up. I want to put together a cute outfit that like someone puts on their pinter sport, like, I wanna be that. But I love being comfortable more than anything in my life. Like, I don't know.

I pop a button at dinner. Oh, like, I like, don't like having and my birthday dinner a few years, I really got up to go the bathroom. Oh, fuck my pcer ones that let me sit back down and put them back together.

IT was that night. I was out of business in earthy other night using coming for saying this, but my family, like the Coopers, like we unbutton at .

the table OK right?

Like IT is a sad thing. And that, you know that, like, he just like, would never do that. That's proper.

He that we're proper and so that would just like never do that. And he ever since he's like knowing me, he started to slowly do IT and so he would find him. So I know.

So he starts on button dinners even if he's having a fucking straight vod guardi. He's like, boom, open IT up. We are at a falling work dinner and he gets up. And I look at his parent, full three buttons down, dad, and he didn't catch you. I don't think anyone thought, but I was laughing because, like, we unbutton in our home.

So back to your question, yeah what you wearing, I wanted dress up in some capacity, especially if i'm a host like in my I want to lean into that Nancy mayors like be a host, be cozy. But the reality is I at least i'm going to have to wear some form of elasticity. But this is what i'm realizing, being a host.

This is going to be my situation. People are going to show up. And i'm probably going to do a sweater and like genes and like a boot situation, or like a little skill, and like tights in a boot, like i'll show up and look you and half way through the night i'm going to come back down the series and I will be in .

a full sweat benefit of hosting. You can do now to change .

every single time I host a party or anything at my house, that is the one thing. And everyone mentions IT .

and everyone also like when ever you host, everyone ends up in your clothes, you who end up dressing everyone like the end of the night, every girl to party that your hosting is fully in one of your sweats.

You because I am like the peer pressure, I hope in a good way .

where i'm actually be in those fucking i'll .

look at Christian like you don't want to be in those genes and she's like i'm completely finally like no coming. You don't want to be in those genes. And I like bully everyone to go up series and change into my pants. But what is you're going to be?

Are you formal or you not formal? No, not formal at all. With my outside of the family, i'm the oldest cousin and i'm the only girl cousin. So like it's not like I have like other cousins when like, let's go get ready here.

What do you wear? I start to make up and with, just like my brother and all my guy, cousin OK guy, like take a nap and I wake like, oh, it's like time to eat and I haven't shower today, haven't done my hair and put on my makeup and like, in theory, I agree. Like, I wanna look back at the family photos and be like, oh, like, that was a good year for me but like I look back, I always look right.

Oh, my god. Like I look like I haven't. Like.

showered in days and family think's giving. That's what I will say that my sister is good at doing. Like Catherine is always down to dress up. And like, I know Christmas this year. Like she's always going to go out out and i'm like IT makes me want to dress .

up with and I had a little someone putting .

a little peer pressure. I know and and I feel like math family is no one is going to show up in sweats, but they are very like casual like .

we'll do like jeans and you're like elevated .

basic yeah a luxury that mom is watch being like really hard yes no but you're right. It's like it's chill, but it's still elevated. Okay, next question.

Um okay something I road down was are your holidays the type where you have to navigate difficult conversations?

Oh, that's such a good question. Well, I think the first like obvious answer is every single year of my life has changed, right? Like when I was starting her starting .

caller .

da di and hold my like extended family was like, you're fucking her I was like, oh my god um now with um my internal family and like math internal family, no, I think if i'm gna have to, I wouldn't even say navigate difficult fund conversations. But if I had to be, if someone had to be, like what are you not as looking forward to? I think it's now where we're at the point where maybe it's more about like people socially and I so understand where they are coming from, but like just socially asking like when are you guys going going to have kids?

I think people don't realize like how personal of a question that is.

Yes, because I ve had so many different people in lay that i'm close with. I've had people that IT took them A A year to get pregnant. I've had people that got pregnant after literally the first time they tried.

I have people that have fertility issues. I have people that are freezing their eyes, like I know so many different women and literally I would say I don't know any woman that had at like a similar almost experience in my life right now. And so of course, matt, I want kids, but I feel like I don't know whenever i'm in those positions. I'm kind of like this isn't really the time to talk about IT. And I know that if anyone asks us, it's genuinely coming from a place of like they love us and they're .

just like good yeah and like it's .

really coming from like, oh my gosh, we're so excited for youtube like we want that next chapter in the next generation. But I do think that um if anyone is listening to the sad thanksgiving this year and your sibling or your costs.

what are you are saying if anyone of my families listening to to ask me what i'm having kids knock at .

all but I also you know what I also is I think this is a part of the two that mountain I ve discussed is like not knowing what my personal experience will be with want trying to get pregnant when IT comes time that I want to do that it's like I could literally say to someone like, yeah like we're going to try this next month and then what if I can get you mean, I don't want to talk about things of timing lines because I am so aware that there is no fucking timeline, there is no right time to get pregnant, there is no exact like they're none of IT. So I I think i'm more deals like adverse the entire conversation, but i'm not like please don't ask me about that. I more I always just kind of avoided and oh, I don't know like were still like think we're talking well.

Do many layers to IT and things you need to fix out yourself with .

more like you share with other people you mimic.

Oh, I know i'm going to be asked like, oh my god so like .

what happened?

What what happened? And then too, like, I think just like, oh, like you're r we're thirty now and we're single. And like, not that i've had much I don't know how much I can speak on this because I haven't been single that long, have been thirty that long and I haven't really had to navigate many of these conversations yet. And maybe i'm just feeling like in power because i'm not like feeling like beaten down, like fucking stop asking me.

So I am like in my empowered stage and I feel like I don't know least approach i'm going to take is i'm going to lead the conversation where I want you to be and like be excited about IT and be happy about IT and be empowered by IT and be like, yeah, i'm thirty and like I have a whole decade and is so exciting like, who knows who will end up with? Who knows what all be? Who knows what i'll be doing? Who knows what my life will be like like how exciting. Like all the opportunities ahead.

that such a good point. Like steering the conversation of direction. That, like, most of the time when someone asks you, like, wow, like how do you feel about that? Like you understandably. Like, we know IT is them checking .

in and caring yes.

checking in and caring and understandably like also on the other side, that is just like bed a little bit in like you wouldn't be saying that to a man you wouldn't be saying to a third old man who single like, oh, god and I get IT. It's usually not coming from bad place but instead of allowing IT to be this like sad that thing you can just be like, I am so happy. I know how incredible .

even if you like you wanted do that to like shut the conversation down like even if i'm being like ignorantly happy like, oh my god, i'm so fucking happy. No, no, O O K.

What drugs for?

No, that's a good as I approach you.

you're like, uncle Jerry, i'm so fucking y happy. I want to be looking for the rest of my fuck line. It's sure that is why do you over like I would like what is what? But I could see you. I also feel like you're so not that type of person. So for you to like be sarcastic, I feel like people .

would like h my go. Okay, I not going to walk away.

but I do. I I love that approach. How do you feel? Obviously, like you mentioned early, obviously in this episode, you just went through a break up. And regardless of the fact that, like, I think you're in such an incredible place right now, like break ups are hard and holidays, I feel specifically are really, really tough because even when you're feeling good there, is this a odd thing that like holidays do that really just shed light on like love and family and the perfect holiday notebook asked environment and family and relationship, like are you at all anxious that you're just going to feel that like dark cloud in a moment?

I think i'm prepared to feel IT and then I think like I know i'm gonna feel IT, it's so new that. We were supposed to be doing the thanksgiving together and we were supposed to be doing Christmas together. So i'm still like going through phases of life. We're like I had tangible plans with my x to be doing this together or so like no doubt i'm going to be sitting there are being like, well, i'm supposed to be doing this right now and now i'm doing this instead. And like, so I think i'm just expecting to .

feel that you're understandably going to lightly play out like what IT would have been like had they have been their verse. Now there's like this empty chair that would have had their name on IT and it's like a weird fucking feeling. It's sad, but it's not sad but it's just like I don't know even how to describe IT.

It's literally what grieving is like that I went through something very similar when I um for those of you don't know.

my dad passed away and I was in college like it's always like the missing person.

like the unsaid thing. It's something I had felt before with in regards to holidays like that missing presence, like the empty chair.

Yeah that's a good point. Like I feel like we've talked about a lot before. Um kind of like when you do now, this is like kind of getting over like your x boyfriend now it's more like you talking about your dad if you like.

There's probably like a lot of daddy gang that have lost a family member. And the traditions that you kind of have to start to like create with your family without someone is like a really chAllenging thing because you want to honor r them and remember them. But you also don't want to like move on from them .

like I have a lot to say.

oh.

give IT to us. Give IT to us. So I think the weird feeling of feeling like you're like moving on and like forgetting them, something that really made me think of that was my mom um is now engaged and we love him.

Shout care. Yeah, shout care. Baby, live your life.

She's like she's going to clip this inside was like, later you guys gave you a shouter of the pod yet we did.

Yes, we did. Carol SHE was heard, her phy were indescribable, thoughtful about the way they introduced him into me in my brother's lives. And they were very, very seriously dating for a while.

For years before he came to one of my family holidays. And I was talking about IT in therapy. And I was like, I love this person.

I love him as an individual. I love him for my mom. I love them together. I feel more at peace knowing they have each other. But why does him coming to a holiday feel so unsettling to me? And he was like, I think that there's this unspoken thing that when he sits down at the fourth table setting IT means your dad replace IT means your dads forgotten and like.

that's not the case. That's not true, right?

Because I was so confusing to me. I like, I love this person. I love their relationship. I love the whole thing. But like it's just making me not anxious. I just I couldn't put a thing on this unsettle feeling of like and IT was the feeling that I thought that meant that my dad was being replaced and that wasn't the case at all.

Yeah no, that is like, so beautiful I member that time in your life and you handled IT so Gracefully. And I think like, again, you are so fortunate to have your mom handled that way.

And there are so .

many people that probably have hora stories of step parents and all of I do think it's such a true statement. And I think we've talked about this a lot about how, like there are so many ways to like continue to remember someone and a new addition doesn't mean that someone else now I can be a part of things and I feel like it's hard when the person isn't there. But there are so many ways that you can celebrate that person without feeling like you're just like overwriting them over done .

with sitting the table. The of us, I think, go over the fact I just felt like delhi and we just like that fucked. And now for Christmas, we don't sit in pennsylvania every year for Christmas now we go to a different national park and we hike and we just do something entirely different and like to start over fresh and IT just feels so nice and new and we hike and we like, reminds and we talk about him. But for some reason, just like sitting in pennsylvania, sitting the force on the table, just felt like, and it's so a logical, but I just felt like we were trying to like write my dad out of like the story yeah and I just felt so much Better and more exciting and fun to just completely start over with a new tradition.

I love that you said that though that you're like IT feels completely logical and like i'm pretty sure and so many people that experience that type of grief, it's like IT should be logical because it's this like you can't explain IT and you don't have to explain IT like you felt the way you fell and now I love that like daddy again, like you can make your own new traditions and especially when things are wrapped like trauma and loss, like you can shake, shut up, and when you step out of line, or will you change sheets up, IT can feel a little disorienting, even thinking .

about like breaking the tradition. Like you feel like i'm like fucking up and like being like a bad family member and it's I bet .

all of you sitting at that fucking table like I bet your mom Fiona was like, probably wouldn't been the first one to be like, guys, i'm so done to do something different.

I probably was aesthetic and now he's going to hang out with a version of me that's like relax and like open and not be sitting around the table being like.

oh god.

talk right, say say where it's .

say right I think that's like a great way to like wrap that conversation up in terms of tradition is a mother fucker and its beautiful but I can be really, really intoxicating where you just feel like you have to follow IT and sometimes I do think like anything in this world. Maybe sometimes we need to check ourselves of like is IT tradition because it's fun or is a tradition because you actually kind of don't know why it's tradition and like maybe it's time to shake you up. Um okay, you're going back to pennsylvania.

I am and .

you told me that when you go back to pencil and for thanksgiving ving, you will be attending your high school reunion. Now I am fascinated, and I need every fucking detail when you go because I haven't gone to a high school reunion. Let's just talk, first of all, high school unions.

So let's discuss how do you feel about IT.

I'm excited we're going to where I was literally thinking .

of that like very do like pop the fuck.

Like maybe like a little bit right? Like because also I don't have social media, like no one knows what I look like or like what .

right do or you can love, we need you to look copy.

I'd like try hard that's like um while .

we're talking about high school though, we have been friends for so long but I don't know people know that we did not go to the same high school. We went to the same elementary school for one year。

You guys my parents fucked me up. I moved to pensylvania from texas in first grade. I went to public school and they relate you need to find god.

They sent me a catholic school on second grade and they're like, you're not catholic and this is expensive back to public school. So literally first, second, third grade, I switch schools every year. Like, imagine what that would do to a time.

But thank god, right between that second grade where you are supposed to find god, you found up and leave became best friends. In second grade, I remember larn with like her giant bows, because, like, your mom had every color boat ready to go for you at school.

I was so good. I remember in first grade and even the second grade, still, we have dressed down day. Yeah, I would cry because i'm like, mom, the kids in the north don't wear this.

No, I thought you were epic anyway, so learn. And I went to school for one year. We one year, one year together.

Yeah, I know that is. yeah. So all of middle school, all elementary school, we didn't go. And then high school went to different schools.

But we stayed connected really good all through elementary school in middle school, because we are on the same soccer team. I like soccer teams. So we are on like three teams together and then .

we went to high school and naturally in high school like we literally stayed close but IT wasn't as close because you're like you have your own friend yeah to private school.

I went to public school yes.

So let's talk about how we were different in high school. What do you think.

You were like head down riding soccer was like your mission and like your career, like you only hung out with, like the soccer girls, like every weekend, like you were going all around the country, like doing, like your college showcases. And I goodbye to soccer, and I was parting IT up in living my life.

I think that I slowly, slowly ramped into my more social mode. But my first, sure, my seat freshman year, I was like head down, like soccer socks, socket, beer. yeah. I had gotten like a scholarship.

I couldn't ah that's why you were going to the high school.

I got A I got a scholarship that they like faked was like academic and me while like no one was giving me I make scholar like that would gone to you. No one in the right mind was giving me an academic scholarship. IT was just disguised so that I could play on the soccer team.

Okay, it's obviously the thanksgiving episode des who were parting. Maybe you're drinking, maybe you're fucked up, maybe you're lying in bed in your alloa. Do we have any overlapping high school stories of us? Like, because we learned that I did not party together and that really explain why our friendship was so wholesome. And growing up, I was based in, like, we would make movies together, and we would like film and .

we would make I like viewed your parents as like family yeah so the idea of going to your home and like, crack and open a mike hard and like, I couldn't disrespect Lorry like that. I was disrespecting a lot of other situation, but not loyal Cooper, I was given after IT everywhere new tam nnl vania .

but not not at my house. I'm fucking of set. I am of, I wana believe that you guys, because he just said my street name. But i'm obsessed. You're right. I think we had this weird thing, or like our relationships to our families were so pure, sure and youthful, and we'd bent through so fucking much that I was just like.

I would come over and we'd catch up in order.

Dumplings, dumplings. Yeah, we'd get dox saw. We had ordered dumplings and we would just chill. We wouldn't drinks. So, but do we .

have so there, oh, you came to I new year years. I was going to say, I throw a new year's party. No, my senior year.

Let me just say this. Learn through this banger of a new year's party banger. And when you just referenced, like not wanting to disrespect my mother like that, I remember I showed a blade to your party and we had a lot of memories .

in that house. Is my child home? home? yeah.

And I think IT was also a hard time for us because not to get to so much have been going on with your dad that like, understandably, I think in your life in high school, like no one kind of knew about fully. I like, we knew every detail. And I think I hadn't been back to that physical house in so .

so many years.

And I learned I did.

I never tell.

okay, I was so emotional like party because I show up to this health that had like incredible pure memories and then like pretty really fucking traumatic memories. yes. And I remember walking in late and I with moonin, yeah our friend, a call and I walk in and IT is like people are swinging from the fucking in hand dealers and i'm thinking, like alarm having a .

IT you're thinking, I like twenty kids hanging .

out in my basement, her entire school, plus in other schools in the house back. Never forget what happened on the ceiling.

Oh my god, someone sprayed a champagne e bottle, like all over this.

The court went throw up through the ceiling, seeing and I remember I was like, i'm coming up and then I have to fix that or your poor mother comes home and everyone's like trying to like, like, no, no, it's not how what IT looks like. M, cara is really looking up as ceiling cry. So I talk to .

about that and therapy. I was, I feel little guilty for that.

I was like a sending away your house party. But I do remember like that extent of our friendship was like us feeling like so this algic childhood IT was like we never really drank together in high school.

We didn't need to drink to have fun.

High school arch nemesis, really, how do you get here? How do this just slide in? Because we want to talk about IT. So learn.

And I were laughing about her going to this reunion, and I was talking to her about like, who are you most looking forward to seeing? Like, who are you nervous to see? Like, who do you want to impress? Who do you want to avoid? And large, impressed.

no one. Avoided no one. Nervous, no one. But my chinese sis, I also have to be careful, because this is gna air three days before the reunion. So much to, like, blow up how much I have an argentine sine. And I walk in this room like, that's the girl who I can get over high school.

Do you think that your nemesis would know that they are your enemy?

I don't think he thinks I like think about her one bit. Really good. I think he would listen to this and be like.

oh my god, okay, let's talk about why is he your nemesis?

okay? So I don't want to accidentally make paint myself as a sentier. The issue is I truly cannot remember who cheated first near my high school boyfriend. But junior year, we hit rocket territory.

You think we had rocked botton.

we hit a rocket bottom, we did hit rock out. And IT kind of became this open situation. But like, we still were in love, we were still talking all the time.

But like, I ventured off a little bit to this older guy, and he ventured off to my arctic missis. But then we had a reconciliation, and we came back together, and I kicked the older guide of the curve. Where did he just graduate? I don't know detail.

Yeah yeah.

But my archenemy sis could not get tick to the curb. SHE look like the bug that would .

not die and now are giving. Well.

though I just have such vivid memories being in my childhood droom after school, four thirty P M prime time, everyone's on aim, everyone's on form spring, everyone's on snap chat, and i'm snapping him. And I watching my snaps street with him go up and up and up and up and up, but I watching his nap streak with her go up and up and up and up, and they were just a memory we hold.

So did he sheet on you with her?

Oh, all the .

time we did. You can did you? How did you find out other than.

okay, well, there is two incident zenas where where he was caught red handed. Okay, okay. Incident number one, senior prom.

I don't even know this story.

So IT was the morning of senior prom, and we met up in the parking lot and had sex in a car classic. And we go to pictures. We do pictures togethers like that kind of official, like, I like chek facebook this morning we had pictures, we took prom pictures together.

not make sure the receipts are dotted and the fall, my god, laugh and i'm obsessed the okay.

And so we're at prom. We're ground in and slap on the ground and turning round and making out get low.

get and oh my god, the ground change. I can, I can.

And I go get a beverage. And I come back into the auditorium and I like all, where is my boyfriend grind chaining with my archidei sis, making out with my archidei .

sis in front of you, in front of the whole auditorium, with what the fact did you do?

So I had known that, like they were consistently talking. I would talk to to him about IT and be like, you have to stop. Like, i'm not doing anything else.

Like I never give anyone else. Like, I want to be together, right? And like he was okay.

But like, they were so always Operating. So I did the crazy thing i've ever done in my entire life. Oh my god, I have.

I've never have. Let me just give context for my character. I've never had a falling out with another girlfriend before. I've never gotten to a physical computation. I've really never gotten to, like, heated exchange words to this day cept.

This one moment, I walk up to them today and I say, I pull them apart and I say, we had sexy this morning. I hope you're enjoying the taste of me right now. SHE start hysterically. And high school in high school, I don't know. I don't know how I feel about IT, but I just like snapped.

This is high school. People are cheating and people are being whatever. It's not actually inferior. Like, it's actually just like, but it's so funny to think about like the drama in fucking high school.

What's the most bold thing you ever did to confront someone?

Oh, well.

you have like a longer life. I like, this is the one time I ve ever said something to anyone.

ever. Well, the thing is true for, like me, I would say, which i'm going to have to .

tell the story one day. Oh, you're artist. The story.

yeah, this is fun because IT was me really standing for my other best friend. And I.

then he tried, everyone, your life, yes.

I am someone that will always stand up for myself, like my mother taught me that like user fucked in words. And so I would always say IT to people's spaces that they were upsetting me. And when someone know fucked with one of my friends who who I know has a harder time speaking up for themselves, I go to like a different level.

And I stood up for my one friend to another one of our friends. And I want to, I IT is the most the same thing, because IT followed me into my adult life and IT still is going. It's just crazy, whatever.

But drama, let's talk about drama because I can't talk about my arms because that deserves like a solo fucking episodes. Need to like literally call my mom for like note and I need to literally call my master and get the notes also from s okay, so drama though, the one of the most dramatic things. And and when I say dramatics like this is so fucking stupid.

But I remember from me with boys, my high school year boyfriend, I was so obsessed with him, and I remember he was a boarding student. I was a day student, and so he would always, just like IT IT was really fun in high school because you were able to try to sneak into the dorm room and like what high school kids are afforded, like a bed that you can just access at the dining hall. IT was hard to sneak, but we figured that out anyways.

So I was like falling in love. And I was having the time of my my life, my freshman year. And I remember he was definitely a party and he had transfer from another school, and he had to redo his freshman year. So.

oh yeah.

that first red leg. Anyways, I remember IT is a tuesday. And tuesday were always chapel days where we had to, like, walk to this chapel in new jersey.

And I was like, a prosper erie school. We would said, we do chap, whatever, and we always would walk together and we would always hold hands together. And he was nowhere to be found. And i'm taxing him and it's all going to Green.

And i'm like, where is he? And the boarding students come up to me and they look like they saw a fucking ghost and his friends come up to me and they like, alex, you don't hear and i'm like, no, like what happened and they're like, he drank so much last night with everyone, but like, people were drinking, but he drank to the point of absolute black, out to the point where IT cuts so, so bad that we had to blow our cover and call for help. And they took him out on a structure in an ambuLance, and they had to bring him to the hospital, and he had to get his stomach pumped.

And i'm sitting in chapel. I like don jay is like sitting next to me, whispering this to me and i'm like, what the fuck? And finally, his phone turns on and he's like, i'm fine. Like i'm OK. I'm breaking out like crying whatever he gets kicked out of school, not from that, which is crazy. He did so many more things and eventually they were like, you have to get the fucked up this campus like you are literally ruining come like our our culture here and when he got kicked out, I shit you not learn for three straight months and think about three months of high school .

that that's long for .

three straight months. I wore black every single fucking day to school because I was so mad at the headmaster and the that I would, I was literally protesting. I was boring morning him.

I was, I was morning. But I was more protesting because I was so living that they picked out. They let me just speak her. They should have kicked about. But I was just so dramatic because I was like, I just lost the love of my life.

He got his husband got away. exactly.

And i'm like walking around campus in every fucking week the d of students would pull me in being like alex, like people are getting concerned like and me while i'm like not a like i'm not a sad fucking person usually so i'm they can tell them fucking fine they like bits you're fucking fine and you I like I don't know if i'll ever recovered like I can't believe you ve got rid of him and eventually I got over but it's like, why do we do those things when we're Younger? The drama within us oh.

high school I have like memory, just like lying on the floor.

like soba, just like heartbreak and like, oh my god, my chest hurts if the boy broke, just so fuck and stupid but honestly, like, kind of amazing and it's fun to reminds and try to post pictures you guys if we can find any of these like hidden James.

I think there are some crazy all .

my problem pigs I look good ah right out of the woodwork this evidence. I kind of love that I love the confidence. Um I think the fun thing also about like being friends for your whole life is it's really beautiful.

Like like we have seen every single almost like decade of each other so far, like we have been together and we've seen IT all. And I think it's also humbling to know like where we both came from because we can both keep IT real with each other. We've had some of our darkest moments together.

We have had some of our best moments together. We've had both moments where I think we've been able to look at each other and say you need to get your shit together or you need to get your shit together and i'm here for you, but let's let's pick let's pick IT up. And I think we've in a good way like both done that for each other, like it's a very, very equal cited relationship.

But I was talking about that in an episode the other month about how we always on opposite page, I know and but I feel it's kind of like the beauty of relationship, like makes more interesting. IT does. IT does. Yes, I think thanksgiving ving is so fun and I hope daddy gay that you are surrounded by your loved ones and I hope you enjoy this little like throwback reminisce episode. We have we have so many random stories together and it's always want to sit down and just like chat and talk a and yeah.

I think I was like to in this episode by saying, no, everyone who was in my grade, I just I think they're all probably doing amazing things. I probably I think they're probably so successful. I can't wait to see how good they all.

I can't wait to see how they're all thriving and their own lives. And they were just like such amazing people that I was blessed to go to school with. And I just. I cannot wait to see you all by dad.

Ging, we love you. Happy thanksgiving and have the best fucking time and go .

eat some .

food and drink drinks many. I see you back.