JRE MMA Show #163 - Protect Ya Neck
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Gentlemen, we still don't have a name for this. We're not the Cucks, right? What was wrong with the Cucks? Cucks is okay. Protect your neck. I think protect your neck is best.

That's the best one. Yeah, let's go with Protect Your Neck. I'm down with that. Protect Your Neck. I'm down for that. Protect Your Neck. Wu-Tang theme song. Yeah, Wu-Tang. Perfect. Protect Your Neck. The theme song's already done for us. Exactly. We got it. There's two Wu-Tang songs I always listen to when I'm going to an arena, when I'm doing a show. It's Protect Your Neck and Gravel Pit. Those two, they just get you in the groove. Yeah, get you going. Especially Gravel Pit. Oh, there it is. Protect Your Neck.

This is our theme song, boys. I like it. That's all we got. We're all getting kicked off of YouTube. Even that might get us in trouble. You all right there, Rallo? Are you fingering that skull? Yeah, not hearing anything right now. Oh, for real? All right. We're going to pause real quick, see if Jamie can fix this. We'll pause. Can you hear now, Rallo? Yes, sir. Here we go. Hey, you know what we never tried? What?

The smelling salts. We got them right here. But we got to show Dean the sheathing. Oh, what is the fucking sheathing? What does that mean? It's when metal rings. We were all talking about it. I want to see that shit. The three of us have rings on, but they're rubber. Oh, yeah.

Don't wear a ring on the mat. Ever. Don't wear a ring to the gym. You could drop a weight on it or rip your finger off. You wear these. These are great. Just don't wear nothing. That way you could cheat too.

I think the goofiest looking one is the tad hoot ring. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That one's goofy. It's almost as bad as the bicep with the fucking chain with the, you know, the old school barbed wire. I'm actually...

I'm actually wearing my Marvel ring. It says Marvel on it. There you go. Good man. It does actually say Marvel on it. Your wife might shame your fucking name. This fucking dork. I'm married to a dork. It's nice, though. When I get mad with the rubber rings, I can just fling it at her.

I think she got me the ring. Yeah, I was flinging it right at her. You could use it like a slingshot. That's great. Yeah, I heard about a dude in, God, I forget who's gym. Some big-name dude, and he took a photo of one of his students and said, don't ever come onto my mat with a ring on, ever. Oh, my God. This is what happens, and he posted it.

I don't remember who posted it, but fuck, man. It's like you can't... It's just too dangerous. You basically have a metal wedge on your finger. If you do anything heavy, if you're in the outdoors, if you're climbing something, it can just dig right into your meat and rip your fucking finger apart. When I was...

When I was fighting, when I was champ, I just got married. I was telling you earlier. And when I had the ring on, this was before they had the rubber rings, you know. And guys get excited to see you, so sometimes you give them the hand. They squeeze your fingers. So excited. So excited. I'm like, dude, I said, you're trying to be nice. I'm just like, give me my hand back, motherfucker. I wonder if that's why you wear a wedding ring on your left hand.

Because you shake hands with your rights. I mean, that's good. That totally makes sense. Especially, I hate those douchebags that always try to give you that fucking, they have a nice squeeze. They grab the tips. I don't like that. They try to break your hand. That gets on my fucking nerves when they want to squeeze your fingers. It's a bitch move. Shake your hand, dude. It's a bitch move. I like a firm handshake. I like a man with a

firm handshake. Look in the eye. I like a firm handshake, but I don't like that finger squeezing bullshit because that's cheating. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Agreed, agreed. You know I don't have a good grip when you're squeezing anyway. That's a douchebag move. A nice person would relax their hand, you slide it into position, and you give each other a nice firm handshake. That's right, for sure. Even that.

Like when guys try to over, like they got a real strong grip and they try to fucking give you that squeeze. I just feel, especially my right hand, like I got a fucking bump here from showing he caught his head. I had a hoof after I got done with that second fight. Remember that shit? Yeah, yeah. It was a balloon. And it's still, like I used to have to double wrap it when I hit with Longo after a while. So when guys squeeze that shit, I feel like, all right, dude, all right, you got me beat with the grip, but I'll fucking strangle the fuck out of you. What are you trying to show? What are you trying to show? Oh, yeah, good. Do you do that gripping thing?

Fuck yourself. It's like men feel so uncomfortable when they're around a guy like you. They don't know how to behave. Can I grab some coffee? Yeah, it's for you. I'll do it like a sneak. Do you want an espresso or do you want a cup?

cup. There's a cup because it's just a regular cup. Oh, that's a lot better. Yeah, I make a mess. Because like, you know, when they get around a guy like you, they don't know what to do. Because guys always like to pretend that they could beat another guy's ass. Even if they're just posturing a little, oh, fuck that guy up. They meet a guy like you, all of a sudden they're like, hey, how are you? Nice to meet you. Well, that's why

I'm trying to put on some weight. That's why I'm trying to get over 200, just so I can posture on them back. You know what I'm saying? I understand. I understand. Flex a little bit. Like, if you're meeting Francis Ngannou, how fucking terrifying is that? Oh, yeah, no doubt. You're a regular dude. You're a regular dude, and you shake that guy's hand. You're like, oh, what?

What the fuck, man? I remember the first time I interviewed him. I was standing next to him. I'm like, what the fuck, man? That guy is so powerful. He's fighting a guy bigger than him. The guy is good. Yeah, he's good. He is good. He's like 6'8". He KO'd Ryan Bader real quick, right?

He like jabbed him or something. Dude, he hit him with a clean right hand. Let's watch that because this guy's good, dude. This is a dangerous fight. I've never seen a fight. I've never seen the size of him. After a bad KO, you have to think, he fights Anthony Joshua. That was a bad KO from one of the best knockout artists in boxing, right? How tall is this guy? This guy's big. And he's athletic, too. He's really athletic, too. Because he's a lot taller than me. Super fast, man. And he does a lot of wild shit. He throws a lot of kicks and knees.

Dude, he's good. How much taller is he than a few inches? I think Francis is like Francis is like six or six five. Is he something like that? This guy's he's taller. Francis is bigger, though, for sure. But this guy's fucking dangerous, man. And he's real long. Like, watch this combination when he lands it on Bader. See, Bader can't close the distance here.

He's having a hard time. This guy's from the outside, son. Look at that right hand. He waited for him to throw that jab. Watch that again. That shit was perfect. Watch that again. Look at the timing on this guy, Matt. Watch this. Bader's trying to close. He's trying to close. Check out this. Watch this fade away a little to his left. Boom!

I mean, that's right over the top of the jam. Right over the jam. That guy can do that to anyone. That guy's dangerous, man. He's fucking dangerous. Dude, his footwork was real nice. But Bader is also 40 and, you know. 100%. 100%. But Bader at heavyweight has been doing pretty good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially under them Bellator testing. What kind of test is that? What test is that? That's a multiple choice test. What the fuck? But.

How many times did Bobby Lashley compete? No disrespect to Bobby Lashley. But still. We know what's up. He was always on an Indian reservation somewhere.

No real permission. Bro, what a body, though. What a body. Bobby Lashley's the only guy I've ever fought in MMA that looked like he could enter a bodybuilding competition the day of the fight. Mark Kerr in his prime, too. But Bobby Lashley had everything. Oh, Randleman for sure. Yeah, but we know. Bobby Lashley. Yo, Bobby. He looks like a WWE guy. He is. He was. And he can fight, man. Yo, he can fight.

Was he like a D2 national champ or something like that as a wrestler? Yeah, he was. Yeah, he was a real legit wrestler. He's a legit fighter. Legit fighter. But there ain't no way he tested positive or negative. Yeah, because he wrestled at like 189 in college. Also, he's 48. Whoa. You know, but look, no disrespect. Guy looks fucking great.

It's amazing some guys are natural, like Paulo Costa. He's just got the genes, son. Is he natural? I don't know. I'm guessing. Maybe. What do you think? He plays it up with the secret juice. I don't think you'd be talking that much shit if you were really just... I think he always looks the same. He never tests positive. And the guy has crazy genetics. Look how handsome he is. Look at that broad jaw. That is true. The guy's got freak genetics just in looks and also in his build.

He's been tested a billion times. A billion times. Motherfuckers have chemists out there. Hey, you used to work for American Top Team. Tell us the secrets. Tell us the secrets that they got over in that fucking... It's not a secret. I want to know what the fuck happens over there. I am not going to Giuliana Pena this one. No, no, no.

I'm not doing that. You're no longer getting paid by them. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. By the way, great work with Sean Brady. Oh, yeah. Yeah, man. Sean Brady's an animal, man. Bro, he look great. He look great. Yeah, man. He's a hardworking kid. He's young. I know he was on this show before. He's young, hardworking, and he's on his way up. Bro, he's got a double-sized back.

When you're behind him, his back's like... Yeah, he looks like he's got a turtle shell on him. Yeah, it's like it's double-sided. And that's genetic. Like, his father has that. That's crazy. He's wild. His fight the other night with Gilbert Burns was fucking smart, man. It was impressive. Because he... Even though he has really, really good wrestling, he knew not to shoot his wad trying to get him down. Because Gilbert's fucking... What I love about Gilbert, and it happened in the Damian Maia fight...

If he's getting out wrestled, the second he hits the floor, right into jiu-jitsu, sweeps, half guards, he's playing jiu-jitsu. They go to play back, he's back to his feet. It's really nice. It's amazing. It's one of the very best ever on the ground in MMA. It's like we've just seen it in so many stand-up wars because it's so fucking hard to get people to the ground. Right, right, right. I love his jiu-jitsu. Ultimately, that's where it becomes a problem, right? It's just so hard to get a world-class guy to the ground.

Well, I mean, so when Hamzat fought Gilbert, Hamzat was on top for a second. And as soon as Gilbert started playing jiu-jitsu, Hamzat was like, get me the fuck out of here. He stood up quick. But that's what's so smart about Brady, though, because he was patient up against the cage, and then he waited to the later rounds. He's the younger guy. He's banking on his cardio. Then he started committing to those doubles, and now he's got a better chance of getting more time on top. Also, if you look at him in comparison to –

He doesn't have the same accolades as far as jujitsu competitions as Gilbert does, but he's like world class. He's straight up grappling. For sure. He really is. Craig Jones he'd be. Yeah, he'd be Craig Jones. There was a special rules thing. There were no leg locks. That was it. There were no leg locks. Which is, you know, with Craig Jones. That's a big part of his game. Yeah, if you're going to compete against that guy, you've got to let him use the whole game. It's the whole game. You don't say you can't use your best stuff.

It was funny. It was pretty stale, but Brady can hang with anybody on the ground. He's so strong, he can hang with anybody. I firmly believe that Craig Nelson, Craig Jones rather, if Craig Jones got him in any kind of a position, like a heel hook, he would never rip his shit apart.

Right. Yeah, no doubt. There's no chance. But I understand these UFC fighters, the current fighters. Look what happened to Cub Swanson. I'm all for these guys taking grappling matches, but I'm also for them taking it with certain rules. Exactly. I was trying to tell that to Khalil Roundtree. Because Khalil Roundtree, before he got the title fight, was in here and he was telling me he was going to take a grappling match. I go, think about Cub Swanson. Yeah.

He blows his ACL out. He's gone for nine, ten months, and he's in the 30s. He's already in his 30s. That's a death sentence almost. He came back. You can come back, but it's so unnecessary. I get you're a badass, but you're also a professional athlete. You can't be motorbike riding. Cerrone did it. Cerrone must be the biggest headache for the UFC. He's out of there.

Fucking riding bulls. Jumping jet skis. I don't remember him pulling out of too many fights, though. No, I don't believe he ever did. I don't remember a single fight. I mean, there might have been one his whole career, but he had to have a broken fucking leg or something. But he was still reckless as fuck. Reckless as fuck. He was still out there doing dumb shit. He was an adrenaline junkie, man. Right.

Yeah, he's a freak. He's still out there doing it. He's still out there doing it. Same reason why people stick around too long in the game. Yeah, but that's also why he's so much fun to watch, man, because he genuinely didn't give a fuck. In the early days of his career, man, he was very interesting because he was a wild kickboxer that had a great triangle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he finished off a lot.

of his early fights with jiu-jitsu. He was good off his back. So the guys would want to take him down and then he'd throw up that triangle. His first fight with Benson Henderson was one of the sickest fights ever. He had Benson in a hundred different submissions and Benson got out all of them. It was pretty sick. Several triangles. Benson doesn't get enough love. That was a great fight when they were in the WEC.

Damn, dude. Do you think about all the fucking wars that a lot of people have forgot about? Yeah. I know. Because there's so many fights now. Right. It's not like when we were fighting back in the day, it was far and few between. It was an event because there was only a few a year. Exactly. Right. People forgot about Jose Aldo's beginnings. Man. Bro. I didn't. Bro. When he was in the WEC, was there anybody really better? Yeah.

No. He's a complete fighter. Yeah, he's for sure the best WEC fighter out there. Look, you can't keep that pace. Whatever that pace is when a guy is at the top of the food chain, you can't keep that pace up for very long. He kept it for 10 years. I always say you have to look at a guy by weight.

where he was when he was at his best. Like, if we're going to do this, like, who's the best guy ever thing, that's why I always throw BJ Penn in there. Me too. Because BJ Penn, and you fought him, BJ Penn in his fucking prime was a demon. And he went through everybody. That's right. You both fought him. Jesus Christ. But when he was in his prime, it was like BJ and then everybody else. Yes. For sure. You just can't keep that up forever. For sure. So if you look at Aldo, like the Aldo that fought Uriah, remember what he did to Uriah's leg? Jesus. And how tough is Uriah to fight?

How many dudes would have tapped? How many dudes would have just rolled over and that would have been the end of it? I think Aldo respected him and actually backed off towards the end because of it. I think he did too. It's like a guy might have lost his leg. I mean, he almost got compartment syndrome. Yeah, he did. Right? He had to go in a hyperbaric chamber every day to try to heal that fucking thing. Yeah, man. Full disclosure, at the end of my career when I was fighting at 45, I was like, I'll fight anybody but Aldo.

I ain't fighting that guy. I ain't fighting that guy. That's the piece that's missing from him later was the frequency of his leg kicks and

Stop? You think it was just cause of injuries or? Well, he started boxing a lot. Is he back now, by the way? He is back. He is back, yeah. I think your fucking shins just go, man. I mean, think about it. That's what was going on with Amanda, right? She was having nerve damage in her shins. Yeah, yeah. Just think about it. Especially now with the calf kick. How many guys that fought Pejeta are going to be fucked up for the rest of their life?

You know? How many guys are going to have, like, some weird thing with their foot forever? They're going to get, like, drop foot or something from nerve damage. My biggest fear was that shin break, like what happened to Chris. That even before it happened in the UFC, I seen it in kickboxing, and I'm like, you know. It's horrible. Like, you got to really, like, you could trust your shins, but, like.

How do you know? How the fuck do you know? I mean, I don't know. It was always something in the back of my head when I was throwing kicks. And it's so spontaneous, too. Even when I'm watching fights now, like when it happens, I always have this response of be ready to look away because if a leg snaps, I don't want to see that. Nobody wants to see that. Yeah. You know, it's interesting the way Pejeta does everything.

Because he doesn't, I don't think he runs the risk as much of that. Because, first of all, he kind of kicks around the outside of your leg always. He never goes shin to shin. Right. And even when he kicks the thigh, he's like kicking up.

Yeah, it's like an upward, even on the back. Yeah, for sure. He always catches that back angle or an up. Until he wants to smoke you like Yuri. Like Yuri, he came across and just smoked him. But it wasn't just about touching. He knew he already had him. He almost knocked him out at the end of the first. He knew he had him. Yeah. But it's just the power that he can generate from no hip at all. He's just slapping you. Yeah, he doesn't really have a tell. It just...

Flicks it's crazy because it's the perfect combination of a guy who has this insane God-given power he's got insane one touch of death power left hook and then the intelligence to not wind up It's kind of crazy. Yeah, he's just tapping you with it tapping you with it, but the thuds are so bad They're so good. Such a clean shot. Yeah, it's a clean shot. I think this is gonna be a

wild take I don't think it's gonna be a popular take I think that Pereira is gonna mix in a takedown I think what I think against Khalil

know maybe i'm retarded yes he's i i mean listen he's you don't get more confident on the feet than him but

He hangs out with our good friend, the great Glover Tixera. Yeah. And you see him sparring. You see him mixing that shit in. Is he doing it for shits and giggles? Is he doing it to work his cardio? Maybe. Or he could be dealing with Khalil Roundtree and say, you know what? Let me show them. I mean, he did shoot on Izzy. That's what I'm saying. Why not give him a wrinkle just to...

Give him something to think about. Well, he's got to learn it, right? And he is learning it. And why not just do that, too? If he could just mix that in, how many more strikes would he land, too? Because then if there's a real threat of him taking you down. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah. And by the way, how fucking strong is that guy on the ground probably?

I know. His hands are probably so big he just... He's got baseball mitts. That dude's made out of wood. Yeah. When I put my hand on him to talk to him, he's made out of wood. Especially at 85. Yeah. What does the comma mean when he says comma? Oh.

Shama. Shama. What does that mean? It means everything. It means like fight. It means like fuck yeah. Shama. It's cool when he says it. When someone says like they want to fight, he's like Shama. And you're like, you don't want to hear that from that kid. You'd rather hear him talk some shit than hear Shama. He's got the scariest walkout of all time.

See that little limp that he does? Yeah. That's good. And you're in that octagon waiting for him and you see that stomp. But think about his come up, man. Like, he was able to come up this year without talking shit. Yeah.

All these fighters think they gotta talk shit to come up. He did it by just stepping up to the plate and fighting and knocking motherfuckers out. He doesn't even smile. He leans into that Easter Island thing too. He'll wear the chain with the big head on it. Seriously, he thought him and Jamal were gonna be cool with each other and then Jamal started clowning him and he got angry. He got really angry. It was a mistake. You don't want that guy angry.

But Jamal, that fight, there was that weird moment where he kicked Jamal in the nuts, or Jamal kicked him in the nuts, rather. And he waved, when he waves her being off, and he did a little step.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He got a little closer. Right. He got in the kitchen. Yeah. But Jamal, I talked to Jamal about that. Like, Jamal called all of us on the broadcast. He was like, yo. And he was like, he stepped on and got the angle, and I couldn't move because Herb Dean was there. He's right. He's definitely right. But we didn't see it. Right. I didn't see that. All I was thinking is, so there's so much happens, right? A guy gets kicked in the nuts. I'm like, oh, shit. Are they going to?

Is he hurt? First question is always, is this going to fuck the fight up? Like, how long is this going to be? Okay, he's got to take a break. Is he going to be okay? Because I think, like, every time you get kicked in the nuts, one point. Every time you get eye poked, one point. Because even if it's an accident, if you get slammed in your nuts, and then you have to go back to fighting two minutes later, you've been affected. Yeah, no doubt. Two minutes ago, you couldn't even fight. Yeah, no doubt. And now all of a sudden you're supposed to fight full clip against a guy who's trying to kill you, who just cracked you in the nuts? Yeah.

Who's that? Is that you, Dean? Is that you, Matt? Not me. I'm a professional. Who is it? I'm on airplane mode. Hold on, let me see. I think it's an iPhone. Is that you, Dean? Oh, it's an iPhone. It is me. Oh, you son of a bitch. You son of a bitch. Hold on, man. Wait a minute. I got to tell you. You know what it was? You know what it was? No, I've been listening to you motherfuckers telling me to get an iPhone, and I don't know how to work it. I don't know how to work it.

I'll help you. I'll help you. There's a little button on the top. It should shut it off. All right, let me shut this off. Oh, you can do do not disturb. You know how to do that? No, I don't know how to do any of it. Okay, look at it. Open your phone up and then scroll down. Like scroll down from the top and then you can get to airplane mode. No, I would rather just turn it off. You can get to do not disturb. All right, just turn it off. How about I go on the floor and stop on it? Let me see. Yeah, here we go. I turned it off.

So anyway, we're talking about Alex and Jamal. So we didn't notice it. We didn't notice it because, okay, he gets kicked in the nuts like, oh, shit, they're stopping the fight. What's going on? So I didn't notice that little hop in here that he did. He already got closer. Yeah, you see now he got the foot on the outside. Yeah.

I mean, it's brilliant on his part. But on the flip side, Herb wasn't in Jamal's way. He could definitely have moved if he wanted. Right, but Jamal did relax. Look, he relaxed. He straightened his legs. He gave him the thumbs up. Are we cool? And it looked like he was trying to touch gloves. So they touched gloves. But he's already way closer than he's ever been before. So most of the fight up until this point was fought with Jamal about a foot past where they are right now.

He was in the outside, and he was touching him from the outside, and that was his game plan. I talked to him on the phone about it. He was explaining to me his game plan. Everything was going great. Who, Jamal? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. He had a point. He had a fucking real point. Did he call you too? Yeah. Yeah, I called him. He called him. But he's right, because we didn't notice it. But this is one of those moments where you're like, are they stopping the fight? No. Okay, they're not stopping the fight. Like, I didn't realize that he made that right in the little...

That little hop-hop he does? Yeah. That little hop-hop is legit, dude. It's such a good move. Watch it now. Let's see. Watch. So Herb moves to him. He's going to stop the fight. He puts his hand up. Watch this. He touches him. Nope. But look how close he is now. See how close he is now? Yeah, sure. Yeah. He's a lot closer. Back it up. Back it up. So back it up before the nut shot. Now look at the distance now. See the distance? Big difference. Big difference. But Jamal does fire roll first, though, doesn't he? Watch. He did. After he gets kicked.

Yeah, probably. Let's see. Who throws the first punch? Jamal throws it first, though, I think. Does he? He might be right. He's getting a corner. Look at Jamal. Ready? Jamal. They throw at the same time. They throw at the same time. He did throw. But also, look what Alex did, too. It's obvious that Alex is coming in. But he also put his hand on the outside of Jamal's hand to clear the angle for him to throw the left hook over top of it. And, dude, his left hook, it's like a shovel hook. Half an uppercut, half a hook, and it's just perfect. Perfect. Perfect.

All right, maybe he won't shoot on Khalil. Not only can he. Man, Khalil's dangerous. Remember when Khalil knocked out Gokhan Saki? Man. Dude, he's fucking dangerous. Yeah, I know. Khalil knocked out my boy Anthony Smith, had him in slow motion. I was like, damn. That off-speed uppercut he threw, that was slick, dude. He's fucking terrifying. When Khalil's on, Khalil Roundtree's fucking terrifying. He came back from Thailand like a different fighter. I think once he went over there and was training full-time, there was a...

I mean, there was a big change in him, I thought. Well, Khalil's had moments in his career where he hasn't been dialed in.

There was a few fights where he admittedly wasn't all in. And now he's all in. Now he's super focused. The Anthony Smith fight, you're like, oh shit. That's a dangerous contender. We're going to find out. Do you think the UFC would want Khalil to be champ? You know what I'm saying? Why not? He just don't really have that championship thing about him. Where you go, oh, that's my champ right there. He don't really have that. Yeah, but nobody does until they do. Oliveira didn't have it until he got it.

Olivera was a guy that everybody was beating. Man, that's true. So many guys beat Paul Feldman, fucked him up. A lot of guys beat him. Tom Swanson knocked him out. A lot of guys have beat Olivera because he was cutting too much fucking weight. Right. And he just didn't have any energy. Well, I'm just saying, every time you see Khalil Roundtree do interviews, he crying and stuff like that. Is that the type of guy that we really want? Is he crying? No.

He's sensitive. He's a sensitive guy. You don't cry? You know what I'm saying? Sometimes the whole time you're in the car. There is nothing wrong with someone who's sensitive who can fuck you up. No, there's... Listen, I'm not saying there's something wrong with it. I'm just saying is that the guy that we want holding the belt? Maybe that's what we need in 2024 to get more people involved in fighting. Yeah. As you guys get older, do you get more emotional? Do you find yourself... I'm emotional. I'm an emotional guy. I don't see that. I'm an emotional...

You guys don't get all emotional. People think we're toxic. Let's talk. We're not toxic. We just don't have a filter. This is just what actual men are like when there's no one around. When you're bullshit and you're with your boys. Yeah. When there's no one around, they can yell at you. If we had the same conversation with our wives, they'd be like, what the fuck are you saying? Are you saying get down in the fucking air? There'd be a lot of that, right? True. It's like...

This is what people would be talking about if you were hanging out in your living room. It's true. Four buddies hanging out in your living room. How would you talk? This is it. Yeah, for sure. Just do it in front of the world. In that case, I don't cry at all. You pussies. I cried the other night. I was just going to see if you do. Watching Chimp Crazy.

What? There's a show. Oh, my God. There's an HBO show. Well, it's Max now, whatever it is. It's a docuseries about people that own chimpanzees. Dude. That just can't end well. Wait, wait. Hold on. What made you cry about that? It's horrific, man. Oh, wait. Wait. With this? It went bad? When the chimps tear people apart, they tear your face off. I know. They bite your face? They bite your fingers off. They pull your dick off. Dude, there's so many moments in that show where you're just like, what the fuck? It's

It's just, it's so sad. Is there anything happy in it or no? No, no, no, no. There's nothing happy in this show. There's nothing happy in this show. This show is all about what happens when people have pet chimps and the chimps get to be about five years old and they don't want to listen to you anymore.

because they're a 200 pound fucking super predator. For real. They can do whatever they want. Like what they are, they're our closest relatives and they're really fucking smart. And when they get to be like five years old, you can't even put them in a combination lock they were telling me.

Because they can figure out the combination. They'll watch you do it. That's all shit. And then they'll do it. They'll see what you do to get out, and then they'll replicate it. So this is real play on apes type shit. They're really smart, man. They just can't talk. They're not as smart as people, but they also, they're vindictive and spiteful, and they're angry and jealous. They do that.

- I've been a lot with the wild animals, like the fucking people who own hippos. - But the thing about these things is when they hit like five, you just gotta keep him in cages all the time. So when they're babies, everybody's hanging around with them, you can bring them to the pizza place, oh my God, it's the lady with the chimpanzee. But then they get to be five and then they rip someone's face off for no fucking reason at all. - What was the,

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Oh, yeah, Chimp Empire. That's what I thought, Chimp Empire. Incredible. That was a crazy, crazy show. Crazy show. Because that one, these scientists were embedded in this group of chimpanzees for 20 years. So these people, these chimpanzees, their whole lives, they had seen scientists.

They have these rules. You have to stay 20 yards away. Don't look them in the eye. No food. Can't have any food anywhere near them. So the gremlins with the chimpanzees, if they decide you have something, you got to see this. If they decide that you have something they want, there ain't shit you can do about that.

Like they were they were shite you can do over territory I mean you got to see the hierarchy within you know their clans or whatever you want to call it is it's a badass and the guy told me guy on your show Yeah, the guy was who produced it. That's how I heard it the show so good dude It's this is much better than chimp crazy. This is like the opposite of chimp crazy. Yeah, this is real shit Jim crazy is sad, but this is amazing It's amazing

Because these chimps were so accustomed to these scientists that they acted completely normal around them. Like, they were just a part of nature to them. Because their whole life they had had scientists around them with cameras. It was just a thing in the forest. It was just like, that's a different kind of tree or something. As long as you don't have food, as long as you don't look them in the eye, and don't get any closer than 20 yards.

Those are the rules. So if the chimps start moving towards you, you move away. Don't look them in the eye. You look away. Don't have any fucking food. If you got a candy bar, they'll rip your dick off for that candy bar. They don't have any sense of what's appropriate. There's no remorse. They bite each other's hands off.

Oh, my God. Bro, they're ruthless. And that's our closest relative. You know what you do? You just get a dog. You don't get a fucking... You don't get a fucking... It's not PJ and the Bear. Get the fuck out of here.

Who needs that? Chimps. Who needs that shit? Nobody needs that shit. All that shit you see in those movies, though, those are all young chimps. You can't even train them when they get old. They're not listening to nothing. There's no listening. I got to watch this. You remember that Clint Eastwood movie? Fucking Any Which Way But Loose? Yeah. I used to love those movies. And Any Which Way You Can. The best is the second one when they have that fight. And then it's, you know, they heard they're still fighting. And then it's, you know, guys, there are different...

Oh, let's get on the plane and let's go see the fight. Dude, they're fighting for fucking two hours, these guys. Like across the state. And who's that guy's name? Tank Murdoch? Is that the guy's name? In the first one, yeah. They became friends that day. I remember all that shit. Philo Betto was Clint's name. Philo Betto. Yeah, and they had the right turn, Clyde. You know, it's funny because back then you would never think that people were actually having bare-knuckle fights for money. And now it's on pay-per-view. Oh, yeah. I know, right? Yeah.

So that's the original Mike Perry. There was never going to be bare knuckle boxing. I'll tell you, man. As a sport. That's crazy. So this was just some backyard shit that people would do. Like, this is the big killer.

This is the guy that's like the big money champion. He's going to eventually fight him. And he's watching Clint. And he steps in to help him. And he starts fucking some people up. We didn't even know what it was. We didn't even know what real fighting was back then. I had no idea. Somebody needs to redo it. Well, all those things he did would work. I mean, it's not crazy. He's not doing any jump split kicks. I used to like these movies as a kid. I loved them. These movies were great. This movie was great. Clint Eastwood was the fucking man. Hell yeah.

He has the best Western movie of all time. What's that? Unforgiven. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw that. I didn't see that. Man, I'm a fan of Tombstone with Val Kilmer, too. That one scene. That one scene made that whole movie. Crazy movie ever. That one scene was so intense. Which one? Unforgiven or... I'm Ya Huckleberry? Yeah. When he's looking, he's like, I'm Ya Huckleberry. Anytime you get...

Kurt and I and we did this in a group text. We talked we talked about a bone tomahawk. Oh, yeah. Now this is all I've never heard about it came out like 2015. Yeah, I saw it on Netflix. I thought it was new and I didn't know so I started watching it and

Holy fuck. What do you see that good one? Yeah, it's like a Western horror Indians almost like predators Well, they're completely different like a different species of person they have these things in their windpipes remember they Matthew Fox in this this guy's the guy from lost. It was phenomenal very good movie is now I get like I

Obsessed with some movie. This is my latest obsession. I fucking love this movie. I've never seen this. It's a great movie. It's a fun horror movie. And the fact that it didn't get the attention that it deserves. It's just... I think there's too many movies out. I never heard of this. That's true. There's too many shows. Too many shows. There's so much stuff. Everybody's like, have you seen this show? It's like, man, I can't watch everything. I love Shogun. I haven't finished it. Me neither. Yeah, me neither. For sure. There's certain things I...

While to get through I blew right through Shogun, but I just blew right through Peaky Blinders Peaky Blinders The first season slow as fuck once you get out of the first season First season man, yeah, it gets hot. Yeah Tom Hardy and Peaky Blinders like him in that motherfucker can absolutely

Man, can he act. He's like on a totally different level. Like even just everything about it. You buy that eccentric psychopath. You buy it. You buy everything about it. He's got rules. Yeah, for sure. But yeah, he was the man in Peaky Blinders. I'll tell you what I tapped out on. And you know me. I like superhero shit.

And the show The Boys, I was in, and there's some good stuff in that show. You ever hear of The Boys? I've heard of it. I haven't watched it. It gets redundant. No, no. But no, this is what I know when I tapped out. The scene where I fucking tapped out. Now, you know in like X-Men, you ever hear of multiple man? He can make like multiple of himself, like other clones of himself. All right. Now, listen. I'm not a prude, okay? I could deal with some sex scenes and some freaky shit. But my thing is this. There's a scene where...

Now, I don't need to see a guy's face in another guy's asshole, even if it's his own body. So multiple men, this little version of him in his thing, they go into a sauna, right? And I guess this happens sometimes in gay gyms. There was a...

This is a superhero show? There's a close-up of like a human centipede. It's a human centipede. Is that an inside of an asshole? Oh, yeah. He's in this guy's asshole right now. Look, he's touching his asshole. He's in the guy's asshole right now. No, it's like a hamster. Wait a minute. I know this is an asshole. This is a real scene in the show. They're trying to normalize this. Exactly. This is a bizarre agenda that Hollywood has. You see what I'm talking about? This is an asshole. He's inside an asshole and he's naked. Dude, this guy. So now this guy is, they open up the thing and they see the...

I hope it was worth it. So then he came full size. He turned full size and he blew the guy apart. Yeah, that's like Ant-Man inside someone's asshole. Yeah, this is not necessary. Yeah, dude, that's what I'm saying. But picture this. You ever see a human centipede? Let me see that again. That's a crazy way to die. I want to see him explode. So what happens? Does he just decide to get bigger? I think he sneezes. Oh, he sneezed. He fucks up his, I guess, his ability to control it.

Oh my god. But the whole show is like this where they do shit like that. That is so crazy. But like, there's some good stuff in the show. Yeah, that's gross. The first few seasons was cool. This past season, they got woke on me. Dude, I'm trying to explain that to the cops. And then multiple, man.

He's got pink eye because he had his face in an asshole. So now he's coming back with a pink eye. 100% someone's trying to normalize things like that. Because that's probably like every bottom's dream is to actually climb inside a guy's asshole. I just want to be inside of you. You know, just want to just get all up in there. But Matt, I know exactly the thing you're talking about. Yeah, I know.

That's unnecessary. I would tap out after that. I tapped out on The Walking Dead when they killed Glenn with the baseball bat. In Venice. Yeah, yeah, me too, me too. You know what's fucked up, Don? They actually did that in the comic book.

Oh, I'm sure they did. You didn't have to show it to me like that. Yeah, because we like Glenn. That's murder porn. I loved Glenn. I saw Glenn at the UFC and he looked sad. He looked sad. They killed him off with a fucking baseball bat. But did you imagine that's your character? Your character for all these years, everybody loves it, and they kill him off with a baseball bat, and you're like...

And then you're, no more show. Bye. Yeah, yeah. Bye, we're done with you. The show's like, what the fuck? Well, you can't keep doing that. Oh, the people are the monsters. You can't keep doing that forever. It gets boring. Figure it out. Find out who the cunts are. Kill them. Let's start a community.

Shows jump the ship too, you know, like fucking Cobra Kai. I like that first season. how, why are there still zombies? They walk two miles an hour. You haven't killed them yet? I know, right? How hard is it to figure out how to kill these things? They're so slow as fuck. All you need is that lady with the sword and just like every day run out, kill 30 of them. Eventually, yeah. Nobody's going to be left. It's just crazy that they still run into zombies.

You haven't killed all those zombies in like five years. That show. I agree. I think there was a spinoff with Daryl Dixon. I didn't even watch. There's a bunch of spinoffs. There's the L.A. one, too. The L.A. spinoff, too. It was pretty good. It was Fear of the Walking Dead. Oh, yeah. That might have been the best one.

Really? Yeah, it was really good, especially in the beginning. It was really good because it was like no one knows what the fuck is going on, but it gave you a real sense of dread and fear, like these people are trapped in the middle of this outbreak and the military moves in and no one gives anybody any answers, which is really how it would go. Right, yeah. The L.A. one, Fear of the Walking Dead, is much more realistic. This is how it would go. The guy waking up in the hospital in The Walking Dead, the problem with that scene...

is 28 days later. That's how it starts. Same exact scene. 28 days later, Killian Murphy, also from Peaky Blinders, he's in the hospital and he wakes up. He doesn't know what the fuck happened because he got hit by a car or something like that. Was he riding a bike, got hit by a car, I think?

So he wakes up, he has no idea what the fuck's going on. And then getting out of the hospital, he realizes that the world has ended and there's a zombie apocalypse broken out while he was in a coma. So they just stole the whole thing? Somebody stole it. What came out first, the comic book or the fucking... That's a very good question. It's a very good question. What year did The Walking Dead graphic novel come out? That's a legit questionnaire, man. It's a real legit question. Thanks, guys. Do you know those movies, you can't find them on streaming?

You can't find 28 Days Later on streaming. Really? Because I've never seen it. That's why I don't know. I think you can find 28 Weeks Later, but 28 Days Later, I don't think you can find. Interesting. Because I just bought it. I ordered it on DVD. I haven't bought a DVD. You even have a DVD player? I do. I don't believe it.

They asked me if I wanted one I said yeah, I'll take one of them and I haven't used it ever I've been in this house for four years. I never used that fucking DVD player, but I'm gonna use it Especially they look really good like blue blue resolution. Yeah those DVDs look fuck It's probably as good or better than streaming hmm

I just don't know anybody with a DVD player. That's like VHS. I don't have that. I had that for a long time, though, because I used to get all the Pride videos on VHS. I used to get K1 videos and shit, all the weird shit from Japan from a friend of mine. He would send it all on VHS. What year was the graphic novel? I saw a Reddit discussion that they both... For the record, I want to answer your question. The Walking Dead came out within the same year that the movie came out?

But someone noted that they both were taking from another movie that came out in the 60s. Oh, what was that movie? The Day of the Triffids? Ooh, The Day of the Triffids. That's a zombie movie too? That's what I looked it up when you were asking. Is that a monster movie or a zombie movie? Yeah, it's like zombies or something like that.

Oh, look at this. What a Triffid. What the fuck? Yeah, what is it? Trained after being splashed with Triffid poison from a stinger. During his recovery, he's told of an unexpected green meteor shower. What? Yeah, I don't know. That's some 1976 shit. For the record, I guess 28 Days Later may have, or sorry, Walking Dead may have taken from. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, 28 Days Later was a lot earlier, right? What year did 28 Days Later come out? No, that's what I was saying. It says the comics came out less than a year after 28 Days Later was first in cinemas. Yeah. So 28 Days Later was first.

This guy just got into Game of Thrones like 20 years later. Yeah, I know. I just got into it, man. I went to the game. I go, dude, the fucking thing's been out. I know. I never had Max. I just got Max just so I could watch that shit. I liked it. Season two. Dude, it's good. Yeah, it is good. I ain't gonna lie. It is good. It's a real good show. I liked it so much, I told Dean after the first season, I didn't want to wait until the second season, so I got the book.

And I ended up reading all five books. And that blows my mind. I don't even know if that blows my mind. Honestly, I didn't even know that. Is that good? Oh, it's fucking great. I loved it so much. I did it on my iPad. And because of my ADD, I made the font real big. So it's like two paragraphs. I'm like, eh, I'm going right through it. So fucking, I'm wise.

I'll start looking at a squirrel. I'll lose my attention. On the real, I didn't even know Matt could read and shit. I started with comic books. But I loved it so much that I just... Sorry, so why has 28 Days Later been removed from streaming? It says, indeed, Disney lost the rights to the independently financed original film, with them now only owning the rights to Searchlight Finance sequel 28 weeks later. So, well, who the fuck owns it? Whoever made it, I guess. And what, they don't want to put it on Netflix? Why wouldn't they?

It's one of the best zombie movies of all time. If not the best. It's great because when they weren't slow, they'd get rabid. Oh, they were the scariest. It could be one of those VPN things. It could be another country and maybe you sneak around and find it. Maybe. Maybe. That was a great movie. And they're coming out with 28 years later. Yeah. For real? Yeah, they are. Is there anybody left? I think it's that guy, the P.K. Volley, the guy who's left. What kind of life is that? What kind of life is it like if they...

If some fucking Wuhan China lab comes up with some zombie virus and releases it. That sounds crazy, but rabies is real.

Yeah. That's exactly what rabies is. It's Cujo. It is, right? Rabies takes animals that never want to bite people and turns them into an animal that needs to bite you. They run at you. They're not scared of you. Rats will run at you. Foxes, they run at you when they have rabies. I've never thought about that. Rabies is just zombies. It is zombies because it kills people. Before we figured out how to stop it,

And you have to get those shots before you start having symptoms. They have to find out you got bit and then give you those shots. And it has to happen really quickly. Because if you don't, it kills most people. Jesus. Rabies kills something like 99% of the people that get it. What? Yeah, it's an old disease.

disease. And so one of the things they figured out is that if they slow down everything in your body and put you into a medically induced coma, it gives your body the resources to fight it off because your body can fight it off, but it can't fight it off as quick as the virus moves forward. It's always

It's an old virus, man. It's an old, it's a weird one. - Yo, that's crazy. - So like when you think about what that is, it's a crazy old virus that spreads itself by making its host violent.

It is rage. So saying that no one would ever do this, these fucking psychopath eggheads that they give these grants to that do this fucking gain-of-function research shit on viruses, making them more infectious to human beings, do you think they would stop at coronavirus? Why wouldn't they fuck with rabies?

You know who fights like they have rabies? Marab. He does. He does. Marab. Marab. He does. I used to say that about Liam Harrison. And, you know, people are making a big thing about, oh, he's got to get him down. He's got to get him down. He didn't get...

Listen, he gets him down. He's in trouble, Sugar Sean. But look what he did to Jose Aldo. He didn't get him down too much. And look at him up against the cage. All that height, the difference in height, the reach, that's at a disadvantage once he gets a hold of him. So he could beat the shit out of him up against the cage. He doesn't get him down for a round. Now there's a little less pop in Sean's punches and strikes.

That length is gonna be a problem when he closes the distance, Murab. So I gotta ask you, because you know Murab better than anybody here, I'm sure. And from that, like, when I see him now, like, he's just a different animal. Like, a complete different character. Has he always been like this type of character? Like, making jokes and always been funny? When he first came to us, the English wasn't great at all. I mean, it's not what it is now.

He's always been a sweetheart. Just a sweetheart. That's what I thought of him. Yeah, well, imagine having Matt and Ray Longo as your English teachers. Oh, no, he's funny. Oh, my God.

He's always been funny. Come on. And Ray, I love you. You know that. Bro, a reality show with you and Ray Longo cornering fighters and just traveling around and training fighters. You know how big that show would be? You know what's funny? I just had a moment. I want to thank you, by the way. I just did my own. Once a week, I'm doing my own podcast called Geeking Out with Matt Serra. Thank you. You're the one who pushed me to do that. Be honest. Listen, you are a natural. Thank you. You're a natural for this.

Actually, it's out today. The second episode I did, I did one with my buddy Phoenix Cannavale. She's great. We talked about our worst to best X-Men movies. This is right up my alley. Are you doing this on YouTube too? Yes, on YouTube. It's the Matt Serra channel. You have it on everything, Spotify.

It's going to be on Spotify. It is on Spotify. Yeah. And I did two episodes, one with Phoenix about the X-Men movies, and the second one was myself and Ray Longo. My studio is nine minutes from Longo's school. And we did our top five gangster movies. There's a movie that's on our list that I didn't know this fact until it came out, because I don't know why people didn't see this movie.

Did you ever see State of Grace with Sean Penn? Yes. Yeah. Great movie. A lot of people haven't seen that. Phenomenal. Yeah, we talked about it. I watched it again with my wife before I did the show, just back in my head because I knew it was going to be on the list. And I wondered why so many people didn't see this movie. So fucking the great Ray Longo brought up a great point.

It came out the opening weekend, same as Goodfellas. Same opening weekend. That's why it was fucking under the radar. You'd never seen it. I'd never seen it. How dare you? I'd never even heard of it until you just said it right now. I remember it. It's about like the Westies. Very good movie. Very good movie. Real good movie. Yeah. So that's the second episode, Me and Longo. So I just maybe figured that. That's a good one to remember. That's a good one to remember. I forgot about that. State of Grace is great. Another one on the list that a lot of people have seen this because Biggie Smalls raps about him.

is The King of New York. Yeah, great movie. You ever see The King of New York? Christmas from Walking? Yeah. All right, but let me ask you this. Does heat count? Is that a mob movie? You know what? I was thinking about putting it in there, but I didn't. It's more of a heist movie. It's a heist movie, but it's organized crime. It is. The guy who got out of jail, it's based on a real dude. The guy who was the De Niro character who got out of jail, that's based on a real dude.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He did a bunch of robberies, and then he went to jail for a long-ass time and got out and did a bunch more robberies. Was he a mob dude? I don't—he was organized crime, for sure, but it's like, who was he connected to? Was he connected to the mafia? Was he independent organized crime? But he was, like, super sophisticated. It was a fantastic movie. Phenomenal movie. But does American Gangster count? Right. Okay.

Right. That probably does. By the way, it's literally in the title. Also, in the title, it says gangster. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That is true. That's an honorable mention. That was a great movie. That's a fucking great movie. And now also based on a real dude. Yeah. The Heat, the movie, the Heat.

A funny thing about Al Pacino in that movie, he's over the top in it. She's got a great ass! When I seen him, he spoke about his role in that. He goes, what influenced him about playing that character is that the character was chipping off pieces of cocaine like he was a cokehead.

And they kind of took that out of the movie, but that's how he was playing him, like all coked up. So it kind of explains it, like how he was so out of his mind. So they didn't show it in the movie, but that was how it was written? He said it was, yes, that he was like a chipping off piece of cocaine. Did they just edit that out of the movie? I have no clue. Or was it in the movie? He definitely said it in an interview. Was it in the movie?

I don't believe so. They did not have him do it in the movie. Imagine you're doing that. You're doing this all coked up character and he's doing coke and then they cut out all the coked out. Everybody's like, what the fuck's wrong with him? Once he said that. You're playing a drunk. We're going to remove the alcohol. It made perfect sense though once he said it. He goes, that's why I chose some of the choices I made for that character. If there was no meth, how much less crime would there be?

50%? Yeah, for sure. I mean, just think about how many ridiculous crimes get cooked up while they're on meth, literally. Or to get the meth. Yeah. Right, yeah, yeah. Meth influence. Do you remember that North Hollywood shootout?

It was just like the movie Heat. Oh, yes. They were in body armor. These dudes had body armor. They had like fucking big giant machine guns and shit. They were literally just walking up the street blasting people. Apparently they were roided out of their fucking minds. These dudes are roided out of their minds doing coke and they robbed this bank in North Hollywood and the cops boxed them in. They had a shootout on the street. Oh, yeah.

I was on news radio at the time. We stopped production of the show to watch it on television. Really. Everybody was like, what the fuck is going on? It was so crazy. How far from you was it? Real close. Real close. Like, we were in Studio City. North Hollywood's 15 minutes away, 10 minutes away. Real close. Da-da-da-da-da-da.

In the middle of the street. Oh, shit. You ever see the footage? It's crazy. Yeah, the news footage is wild. The footage is crazy. And here's what's crazy. One of the cops shot one of the dudes and then did not call for ambulance, did not. And then people were criticizing him that he let the guy bleed out. Oh, man. Damn. Yeah, I remember these fucking crazy liberals. They were criticizing him because this psychopathic murderer who just robbed a bank who was gunning down cops because he let him bleed out and didn't get him to an ambulance in time. Shit. Shit.

Yo. Exactly. I think we know that guy's guilty. Yeah. Okay, there's no CGI in 1996. Save the taxpayers some money. See if you can find that, Jamie, because it's crazy to watch, man. I've got to find the best footage on it. In the middle of the street, dude. No,

In the middle? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So these guys were having a shootout with cops. These guys walking down the street. Damn. Just blasting. It was like a movie. Yeah, like a fucking movie. It did look like a movie. Shooting at cops, dude. And this is just one part of it. Sometimes he was ducking behind cars with giant rifles and shit. I mean, they were just armed to the tits. This is him at the end.

So I think at the end, he's probably trying to die. It's a pretty long scene, too, when the real shit went down. I forgot how it ends. Oh, we got him with another shot. This set keeps going because then the other guy comes. So he's trying to die. What's this guy doing? He's probably already been shot. This guy is doing a little GTA action now.

It went on for a long ass time, too. And this was back when, if something happened, they would, we interrupt General Hospital to show you the Hollywood shootout. Hollywood shootout? Bro, this is in the caveman days. I lived in the caveman days. Yo, what year was this? This is like 97? 97, yeah.

Oh, 97? Yeah. Really? Oh, I thought it was. See, I don't even remember this. Yeah, I remember it big time. Yeah, I do too. Because it was crazy. Because I have a friend, my friend Justin, he's always said, he goes, dude, let me tell you something. Six armed dudes that know what the fuck they're doing could take over a whole city. I was like, really? He goes, cities are so vulnerable. We're so vulnerable. What? Six dudes. He goes, six operators who really know what they're doing. Could take over a whole city. Guys who used to work for Blackwater. Yeah. Come over. Yeah, yeah.

He's like, you should be fucking surprised. So when you see something like this happen, it's like, how do they keep these fucking crazy people from, well, you know, we need to do a better job of finding out where the meth is going. I know. You know, you want to trace illegal aliens, but find out who's bringing in the meth.

Where's that fucking meth coming in? I know a lot of people are coming in. They just make it, right? Yeah, they can make it, too. Well, you need precursors. They try to lock down most of the drugs for it now, like the Sudafed and shit. I mean, you've got to get a license to get that stuff now. That's why. The people that are making that, they're not using that. They're getting real chemicals. They're getting the real precursors. But you have to get them from, like, China. So they're getting them from China, cooking it up in Mexico, bringing it across the border. Whee!

The truck stopper driving all night long. Breaking bad. Breaking bad. Walter White doing that shit. Yeah, another great TV show. I've talked about it a thousand times, but there's a book that we just read. It's called Blitzed.

This dude, Norman Oher, it's all about the Nazis. They gave them Nazis meth. Oh, yeah. There's that scene of Hitler fucking watching the fucking games. Yeah, but apparently what they did was they were given a meth so they could go three days through Poland. So they could just storm through Poland.

So when they did this no one thought they could get across the whole country in three days And you really couldn't unless you didn't sleep so all they did is gave these guys enough and they gave different meth to different doses to different jobs So like if you were in the tanks, they gave you the most meth you're at the front of the line Fucking move I was watching it last night since you said that a Brad Pitt

Oh, yeah, that's fucking pretty bad. It's a badass John Berenthal. That's about Barrett though. Yeah Very interesting guy the Punisher. Yeah, he's very smart. Yeah. Yeah podcast Mike genuine thinker, you know, he really thinks he's like sometimes you talk to actors and they're like Pretending to be a guy that you would want to talk to yeah That's what it feels like when you talk to them like they're not really there. Oh

But John's like right there. He's also phenomenal in a movie that a lot of people didn't see called Shot Caller. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Shot Caller with Jamie Lannister. Game of Thrones guy. Yeah, the Game of Thrones guy. That's a fucking great one. What's it about? Oh, basically, Jamie Lannister. I just know him as Jamie Lannister. He's like a yuppie guy. He's going out to eat with another couple. He goes through a red light. He gets to a car accident. Next thing you know, he's facing prison time.

And he's like, not a guy he made for prison. Remember that old Tom Hanks, not Tom Hanks, Tom Selleck movie, Innocent Man? Something kind of like that, but not like, but he really did the accident.

Next thing you know, he gets to the prison. He doesn't want to be no bitch, and it goes from there. And he becomes a hardcore fucking guy. They call him Money. And that's how he ends up, but he didn't start off like that. Jesus. And, oh, man, is it a... You know who's in it? Keith Jardine. Really? Yeah, Keith Jardine's a cellmate in there. He's great in it. Oh, he's a must book for any prison movie. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

I don't think he had no doubt about that. That fucking guy. Yeah, I believe him. He was great. Don't laugh, John Rolo. You next. Yeah, you look like you'd be in prison, too. Yeah, well, you could be in that movie easily. You'd be part of that fucking Aryan hood. I remember when Keith Jardim beat Chuck Liddell. I was like, wow. Yeah, right? That was a little late. Yeah, that was a, yeah. No one saw that coming. That was a big win. And then he suffered some of the same losses. Well, the Houston Alexander. Houston Alexander one was crazy. Houston, like, smoke.

Smoke saw us. Bro, he did him. He just had a bare-knuckle boxing fight recently. Really? Houston Alexander did. I believe so. He's got to be in his 40s. No, he's got to be in his 50s. He's either bare-knuckle boxing or maybe celebrity boxing. I forget. Some kind of boxing thing he just did. But Houston Alexander in his prime was terrifying. Yeah, he was. He was terrifying. He had crazy power. Yeah, like if he did bare-knuckle when he was younger, he would have been perfect for it. Oh, he's built for it. Yeah.

He was a victim of his own success. That's what happened. Look at that. May 19, 2023. Bare knuckle. He won. Man, look at them results. He beat Joey Beltran. Joey Beltran could fight. Get out of here. Jeremy Smith. Damn, look at him. He's still out there fighting.

But he always was in phenomenal shape. Like, that dude was jacked. Yeah, definitely. With that Keith Jardine fight, Jardine had him hurt. And so Jardine got a little overzealous and came after him. And Houston Alexander caught him. That was a shocker. Yeah, uppercut, right? Because Keith Jardine was a name. Yeah, yeah. And then this just upstart, this guy coming out of nowhere. I think he was a radio DJ. I think he beat, was Saqqara after that, the Italian guy?

Unless he was a car? Yeah, yeah. I thought he'd be him too. I remember he had that crazy fight with Kimbo too. Yeah, Kimbo. But I think he was a radio DJ at the time. Could you imagine like being a radio DJ? Man, that dude sucked, man. Yeah, right? It was a radio DJ while he was fucking people up. It's kind of crazy.

It's like you in the barbershop, Dean Thomas. That's right. They complain about that fade. Nah, ain't no complaining about my fade. You did a nice. Yeah. You used to hook my head up on her every week when I still had hair. Yup. That's how we became friends. Cause they brought it on the ultimate fight of four. They brought in some chick cause they know we, you know, we're not seeing our, our fiancees or girlfriends or anything. We have no women. We got no porn. We're not jerking off in the same rooms. So,

So fucking, they bring in some girl to do our hair. Is that code? No, at least, you know, at least as far as they know, I'm not going to do it over there. But, so they brought in some stylist and she's not giving me a fade. So I'm like, get the fuck out. Dean's like, I got you. I said, I got you, man. You did. You did a nice fade. Yes.

You know, to look good is to feel good. You're probably the reason why I won that show. Yeah. You can never repay me for that. You were the best. What season are they on now? 32. That's crazy. You know what's sad, man? The other day, I just did a camera crew from Toronto came down. They're doing a thing called Dark Side of the Cage, and they want to interview me about war machines.

And they came out. And I did a thing for that. And it just depressed me. It just brought me down. Because that was a kid. Did you know him? I had him on the podcast. That's right. When he was on the show, there's some guys that are just evil. And there's other guys that I think that if they had the right people around them, they could have made different choices. And he was like a goofy...

He had issues. He was emotional. He always felt like the stack was against... Cards were stacked against him type of thing. But he was still... There was something likable about him on the show when he was on season six of The Ultimate Fighter. He was like a prankster. He did it up a decker and fucking the guy's toilet. He was like a silly guy. But I felt that if there was somebody... If he had the right people around him, I think he could have made...

obviously a lot better choices. But think about that. But that goes for all of us, right? Because we all kind of came from the same shit from back in the day, right? And then me and Matt, we still in the game. But then look at guys like him and Phil Barone. Well, that's the guy who was at his... You can have too much. You can have too much bravado. You can have too much crazy and then it'll ruin your life. And there's like every fighter has a certain amount of crazy. And some guys keep their crazy charmed.

Behind that mask, but some guys they just can't they're crazy burns them down It burns down everything around them and then you know You got the CTE and CTE comes into play then there's a lot of guys that just get real impulsive They become addicts they fuck up all relationships. They can't keep their shit together. They're either crying or they're they're angry and

Some guys that are just bad eggs. There are guys that are bad eggs, but there are guys for sure that are bad eggs that then get CTE. Oh, no. There's probably both. Yeah. But like War Machine, the one guy to show up at his trial that be there for him.

And again, you show me your friends, you show me who you are. And it was Phil Barone. Now, Phil Barone is not a good guy. The guy's from Long Island. A million stories about him. Well, isn't he in jail right now? Well, that's what I'm saying. In Mexico? Yeah. Not only did he beat half a war machine, he outdid him. He put his girl in the hospital, beat the shit out of her.

And now, you know, Barone's in jail for, you know, allegedly, you know, murder. Yeah. Murder in Mexico. Yeah. Puerto Vallarta, I think. You know, it was like a bad one, too. Oh. Beating to death. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Now, that guy, I mean, listen. Allegedly. Allegedly. Yeah. But it's brutal, man. So, you know, these guys come, you know, again, but back to War Machine, I don't know. It makes me more, like, Phil, I always knew was a piece of shit. Yeah.

War Machine, I felt, could have been helped. I really do. I mean, what's done is done, but I don't know. It depresses me because I thought there was some... You had him on the show. Didn't you think there was something about... I never would have imagined that he would have done that. Right? But I would imagine that he would lose his cool if anybody challenged him. A male. A male. I just never thought that he would do that. To a girl. The way he did that, too. I mean, her eye was shut. The whole thing is... It's just...

Just awful. Every part about it is awful. Press the hell out of me. And how many guys...

that are doing this, like, have also experienced that in their life, like seeing their mother been beaten, been beaten by their father, grew up in an abusive household where everybody hits everybody. There's a lot of kids, unfortunately, in this world that grow up with parents beating the shit out of them and beating the shit out of each other. Yeah. And, you know, if you ever talk to Joe Pfeiffer, man, Joe Pfeiffer, oh, my God. That's my guy. He was on your podcast. The reason why he's a fucking assassin, right, because that dude's

Angry. Angry all the time. Angry all the time. And he hits like a fucking neutron bomb. He's terrifying. I was working with him last week when I was with Brady and him, and we were doing elbows, and my wrist still ain't the same right now. Bro, when he banged out Barrio, I was like, Jesus Christ. I mean, with more seasoning. Jack Della, I mean, Jack...

Hermanson. Hermanson, yeah. Jack Hermanson fought a beautiful fight. Yeah. He outsmarted him. Outsmarted him, had more time in the game. And Jack's stand-up has gotten a lot better over the years. He used to be just this wicked grappler, but he held his own on the feet and won the fight mostly with striking, right? Yeah, for sure. And pace.

And just knowing not to empty the gas tank. But Pfeiffer is so scary that he gets everybody out of there so quick. Pfeiffer is going to be up there with the best of them. Oh, man. I promise you that. I believe you 100%. He's terrifying. And a dude like that, he needs a fight like that just to kind of put it in perspective. Yeah, put him in check. He said, all right, I got a lot more to learn. Yeah. You got to learn the gas tank.

Yeah. How many guys don't learn the gas tank? Right. You know? That's what's great about Brady the other day. Yeah. Incredible. He knew how to pace himself. He put the foot on the gas. I was more impressed with his stand-up than anything. Thank you. Stand-up was sharp. Earlier, it was all his grappling, and I'm thinking, this guy, I texted him right after a fight, and that was what I complimented him on. And I got to give props to John Marquez out in Philly. John Marquez would be putting it together. He'd be putting in work.

with them guys. You can tell he's a good student too, man, because every fight you see him. And I think in the Bilal Muhammad fight, early in the fight, he was giving Bilal some trouble standing up. But Bilal just put it, I don't know if Bilal gets nearly the respect he deserves. Nah, bro. Bilal's the man. Yeah, Bilal's the man. Bro, the way he put it on Leon Edwards, how the fuck do you not give that guy all the props?

He handled Sean. He handled Sean too. He handled Gilbert. He handled Sean. He handled everybody. He stopped Sean standing up. He stopped Sean standing up. And then when you see what he did to Leon, you're like, good Lord. It just overwhelmed him.

overwhelming pressure on the feet too on the feet real fucking dangerous never lets you get set had Leon making excuses about the time change put it that way yeah man it's a different kind of fight Leon never found his timing ever

And, bro, that guy going to Dagestan was like the ultimate move. The ultimate move. You get involved with Khabib. Especially with his kind of style and his work ethic. Yeah. Like, that dude has a work ethic. Made his top control, you know, look definitely better. I also think it's good that he didn't get the props.

Because it keeps him hungry. It keeps you hungry. It keeps you fucking 100%. I'll show you bitches. He still likes it. He still likes that too, man. He's still hungry. He's still down to earth. He ain't get all high class. No, no, no. Well, he's just begun, right? So this is a championship run. He proved everybody wrong. He won the title. He's telling everybody, fuck you, even though he doesn't even swear. He says fudge. He'll say fudge you. I'm like, what's wrong with you, man? He's supposed to cuss. He's crazy. He doesn't cuss. But that guy's just beginning his run.

So who knows? But that division. Who do you think they give him next? I think they give him Kamaru. That's what I thought too. That's the big money fight. That's what I thought. It's a smart fight. And I think they owe Kamaru for Kamaru taking Hamza on 10 days notice. And also in a three-rounder instead of a five when he won the third. Right, exactly. So he's got the L, which is if he's going five rounds, maybe he doesn't get it. Yeah, I think he doesn't get that.

It looked to me like he was coming on in the third. He had to figure him out, and also he had to trust his gas tank. The guy trained 10 days, one of the scariest motherfuckers on Earth. On Earth. That's a gangster. On Earth. I say you got to give it to Kamaru because I think Kamaru earned it from that alone. He had to weather that fucking storm of a fucking storm.

first round. You're getting off the couch. Even if you're in great shape, you have to weather something like that. That could get your endurance down right there. 100%. And he had to know how much do I have? How do I manage this? But he did manage it. He didn't get stopped. He didn't get finished. And then he comes on and wins the third round. You gotta go, come on, man. You won't have any more years of Kamaru. He's like 37 now. And he doesn't have time to go on another run. Just give him the title shot. He's gotta be 37 now. How old is Kamaru?

I say give him a shot. I say give him a shot. Shavkat, you know, he's only going to— He got time. Not only that, every win, he's a legend. Bigger and bigger legend. Yeah. Bigger and bigger legend. 37. See, give it to him. Give it to Kamaru. And you got them badass knees, too, man. We can't— Exactly. I send him—every time I find something on stem cells, I send it to him. Do you? Yeah, because they're regenerating cartilage now. No kidding. I'm thinking about doing that shit for my—I'm starting to feel my shoulders, man. You should. You should do it. I'm thinking about that. How long are you in town for?

What time tomorrow do you leave? In the morning. What time in the morning? I think like 7 or something. We'll get you in at 5.30. Stem cells. I might be able to get you in this afternoon. Really?

Really? Let me see. I thought you had to go to Columbia for that shit. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Ways to Well can do stuff here. They do different things in Columbia. In Columbia, what they can do is they can multiply the stem cells. So they can take stem cells. They do that in the CPI down in Tijuana. That's the place. And they have a whole arrangement with the UFC. They have a partnership with the UFC. CPI is incredible. They're in Tijuana.

Damn. Yeah. My buddy has a spot at home called Life Med. They have a deal with the UFC as well. Petroski goes there like a bunch of these guys doing that stuff. Stem cells are absolutely legit. Yeah. Because I mean, listen, I got a new knee and it's holding up great. But I hear stuff with the shoulders. You're fucked. You can't get soldier surgeries and shit.

It's gonna take some time it's a complicated joint, but do you do anything to strengthen your shoulders you do any workouts I mean now I mean I do my push-ups and I hang from my bar any budget shit out anybody that I shoulder problems I'm have no affiliation with these people

Get yourself crossover symmetry bands. Get yourself these bands. They start with like five pounds or something like that. I use a 25-pound one. It's not a lot of force. And I do a series of exercises just to stabilize my shoulders. A whole series of different things that I do.

Every week, no matter what, I do these. It's like that thing with the coils back in the day? It is, but it's like a bungee cord. It's like a cord, like a rubber strap that you're pulling on. My physical therapist has them, too. Different ones have different weights to them, so you can start off low. But the whole idea is there's a whole chart that comes with it and shows you all the different things, and it just strengthens all the shit that you don't strengthen when you're just lifting weights. If you're just lifting weights, or especially if you're just rolling...

How often are you really using those shoulder muscles? You're using everything, right? So are your shoulder muscles getting a good workout or is your cardiovascular system and your legs and your biceps and your back, that getting a good workout? But you're going to miss some muscle groups. Jiu-jitsu misses muscle groups. And the only way to like really strengthen joints, I think, is...

is exercise. And I think you gotta do weights and bands and a bunch of shit just to protect your joints. That's like that knees over toes guy. This thing you were talking about too helps to really stabilize the connective ligaments. It tightens all the stabilizers up and that's the thing everybody neglects because if you go too heavy...

Your delt takes over and your rotator cuffs not getting it so exactly You know this kind of this kind of stuff is definitely should be used that knees over toes guy got a hold shoulder Bulletproofing program to with like light dumbbells for you doing a bunch of these I love his knee shit see I gotta do that because holding pads for people oh It's for you Isn't it crazy how some dudes just have crack just have some extra crack I

I'm telling you, Joe Pfeiffer. Oh. Extra crack. Yeah, for sure. Extra crack. For sure. I wouldn't want to hold paths with that dude. You're going to get carpal tunnel syndrome. Yeah. And that's what happened to me all in one week. Matt Serra, you had extra crack. You had extra crack. Crack? Extra crack. You had a thing where you would catch people and you would see this like, oh no, look on their face. Like when you caught GSP, I remember thinking like this...

because we already knew by then that you could knock people out with one shot, which was so odd for a jujitsu guy. So, like, everybody had to worry about your ground game, but they always have to worry about being in the pocket because one of those hammers drops in there and you've got a real problem on your hands. I ain't going to lie. When I fought Matt, I was like, hey.

Let him hit me with that right hand. He's going to take me down before that. It's a little fire plug. It's a thing, but you didn't have a background in striking as a child, right? No. My father used to hold pads for me. I had a wooden dummy in my garage. I used to do all my- Wing Chun? Yep. And I'll tell you right now, if you're doing Wing Chun as something to add on, that's fun.

But the trapping range, the grappling's right there. Anytime I got into a real fight, I'd start with a chain punch and then I'd do my double leg. I think there's something to it for transitions. Me too. I think there's something to having all those moves. Think about how many times you see boxers literally swat a guy's hand down to land a punch. Oh, the pucks out. That's Kamaru Usman, Jorge Masvidal. Yes.

But by itself, it's shit. Of course, but Taekwondo by itself is shit too. Everything by itself is shit. Exactly. All those things by themselves. But I think I knew a dude who was really good at Wing Chun, and he was explaining some things to me. And some of the things that he was showing me, there's certain vulnerabilities if you're inside with someone where they can really easily manipulate your arms back and forth and move your guard around.

and drop elbows on you. Like Wing Chun and then Muay Thai, you see some of the Muay Thai stuff where guys grab wrists and come over the top. There's a lot. That's a lot of Wing Chun. The difference is when you look at two Muay Thai guys get into a street fight, it'll probably look something like you're watching them in a Muay Thai fight.

You put two Kung Fu masters in there with chungas. It is the worst grappling match you've ever seen. Because it starts like a Hitman movie, and then they fucking on the floor. I go, what the? I go, that white belt's winning. Guys are dropping for ankle locks. It's fucking horrendous.

I've seen a few of those. I've seen a few of those. But I feel the Western boxing, like Longo got me, obviously, I had to learn on the job. Because it was different back in the day. Because everything started moving. And when the UFC came out, everybody's like, oh, fuck all the striking. So I was like, in my mentality, I'm like, all right, I got to just close the distance. You can't trade anything.

And then I had to relearn, like, no, no, no. Sometimes you got to be in the fire and you have to learn those mechanics and whatnot. Well, that's the difference between guys who are pretty good and guys who become champions is like this ability to absorb other skills and then implement them at a world-class level while you're an adult. Mm.

which is crazy. It's not easy to do. It's crazy. It's very hard to do. And most guys, they are always going to be a step behind the guys who started out as a child. Oh, 100%. It's more natural to them. Speaking of crack, Mark Delagrati says that you have the hardest kick that he's ever held for.

Ooh. And that's something... Yeah, that's a very nice thing for a lot of people. I kick pretty hard. Yeah. Not a lot of people might give you that credit for that. Did he tip him back just today and then he said, Joe, give him a line if you give him a call? Yeah. No, you're going all the way. He's got the best fucking kick. No, we're kidding.

I like Mark Delegretti on season four. We didn't have set coaches. He was like an assistant coach, and he gave above and beyond for everybody. Yeah, no doubt about that. He's a great dude and a great coach, too. I love training with him. He showed me all kinds of things that tightened up my technique. All kinds of things. All kinds of things just in transitions, like transitional techniques, like different things to do off of different kicks. Yeah.

And shit. He's still teaching and has a school, right? Yeah, he still has a school. What is it called? Sagitons. That's what I was going to say. I train with that dude. I try to hurt him. You try to hurt him? I want to hurt those arms. Oh, yeah. I want to hurt those four arms. You know? He was letting us hit the pads, take them down, hit on the floor. Like he earned his cash on fucking ultimate final. Yeah, he's a man. He's a man. And he's a great coach. And, you know, speaks Thai. Fluently. Does he really? I didn't know that. Fluently. Fluently.

Speaks Thai. That's wild, man. Yeah, he can go to Thailand and just talk to people. No kidding. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We've got a Thai restaurant, and he just orders Thai to the way. With a Boston accent? Yeah, he does. Yeah, with a Boston accent, yeah. Oh, yeah, you can tell it's Matt De La Grata. That's funny. Yeah, no, he does. He speaks Thai. Yeah, he fought in Thailand a bunch. Yeah, I knew that, but I didn't know he spoke Thai. He's an interesting dude. Very interesting dude.

Are we breaking out the smelling salts? Are you scared? I am scared. He's waiting. Hold on, so what do they do? This is the strongest shit. I know what they do. I mean, maybe there's some stronger shit that I'm not aware of, but this is Jujimufu. You should give us a discount code. Who? It's called Ah...

This dude, Juju Mufu, do you know who he is? I've never heard of him. Crazy power lifter athlete. Super athletic. Crazy athletic, but built like Bobby Lashley. He can do full splits over tables. Splits, splits. While he's doing 500-pound overhead squats. Oh, shit. Bro, he's crazy flexible. And he weighs a thong. He's a nut.

He's a nut. He's always doing nutty shit for the internet. So the smelling salts will get me looking like that? No, no, no. I think you need some other things. I'm afraid of my stomach. You take the smelling salts before you lift that weight. I'm not going to smell this enough to shit myself. You take the smelling salts before you go across the border with 15 pounds of steroids. Ah. So...

You think it's going to hurt me? You have to use the bathroom. No, no, no, no, no. So, again, this is a fresh one. The fresh ones are the strongest. Jesus Christ. This is so strong that I'm going to open it. It's a sealed bottle. The bottle's sealed, and the bag is sealed, too. God damn it, my hands are sweaty. This stinks already. Just smell it. It stinks already. I haven't even opened the bag yet. The bag is still sealed. You guys are going to find out. The bag is still sealed. So I'm going to open this and just...

Okay. Smell that? Smell that? Just get a whiff, and it's sealed inside the bag. I get it. It's sealed. This is fully sealed. Fully sealed. You got it? Right, right, right? But you're not even ready yet. You don't even know what's happening now. Yeah, this is ammonia. Yeah, that's... This is where it goes on. It's bad. Let's go! Let's go! Ready? Here we go. Let's go.

Oh, we're going this night, kind of clockwise? Take a dig, big deep. Dig deep. Deep breath. A few inches from the nose and just go for it. That's a little Vicks Vaporub. Oh, my God. Rallo probably did it this morning before he woke up. Yo. Man, it's been many, many years. Wow. So I've never done it. Get in there, Rallo. Oh, yeah. I think you lied to me. I think I have to do this shit. That'll cure snoring, for sure. I just did three. Motherfucker.

Yeah, I'm sweating. Guys, what movie is this from? Blade. Blade. Oh, I love that. That's the scene with the best opening scene of any superhero movie of all time. Did you see Deadpool and Wolverine? No. But I can't fuck with this. Hey,

It cannot fuck with the opening scene in Blade when they all turn into vampires. And he thought he was going to fuck Tracy Lourdes. Oh, yeah. So he's down there hanging out with Tracy Lourdes and he doesn't know she's a vampire. And she leads him down this basement where he sees bodies hanging from meat hooks. He's like, what the fuck is this place? And then the sprinklers start spraying blood and everybody turns into a vampire around him. And he's freaking out. He's trying to get out of there. And she's like, hey, baby, this is a great movie. And he gets his ass kicked and they're all beating him up and they're about to kill him.

And Wesley Snipes shows up. So is Wesley Snipes back as Blade? They're going to have him back as Blade now, right? Yeah, because he's like Wolverine. You haven't seen Wolverine. No. Thank God. What should we say? They should have brought him back as Blade right when he got out of prison. But you didn't like sticky fingers? Here it is. Here it is. This is a scene. Like, oh shit, it's the Daywalkers.

Come on, bro. It's the greatest scene. The greatest scene in any martial arts slash superhero movie ever. Then he fucks everybody up, of course. That was great. Yeah.

So what do people do to smelling salts for? They do it before they lift. Yeah, power lifters do it before they take a big lift a lot of times. Oh, just like one before a big lift? Yeah, guys would have this shit in their gym bags, and they bring it with them when they're ready to go for something crazy. They want to do some big deadlifts. Right? That's it. It's got to be good for your sinuses. Yeah, I was about to say that. I think it's good for America. Yeah.

I think it's good for everything. I think it's good for everything. We have them at the studio or at the comedy club. Dudes take smells before they go on stage. Oh, really? Yeah, it's fun. Pass it around the room. Let me try. Let me try. Before I attack my wife. Give it to me.

I'm going to bring that home with me. The stuff we have at the comedy club, though, is not this strong. This is the strongest one. This one fucks you up. The other ones you can kind of get in there a little bit. Yeah. You get too close with that one and it'll burn the inside of your head.

I like it. I felt that. I felt it in my brain. You want to go round two? Do it, man. I went round two. I feel like that's what happens. You want to go round three? That's what happens with everybody. Everybody, they get it, and they're like, wow, that was terrible. That was terrible. Let me do it again. You do threes with the ussens? Yeah, I do threes. You know why? You're making me feel like a crackhead. He got me into the sixes. Yeah, I backed off.

Because I was realizing, I think I like these things too much. Especially gets the body to hit a little adrenaline. Oh, really? That does. Yeah, we're talking about the nicotines doesn't. Oh, no, no. I like the nicotines, though. I like them when I'm having conversations. What'd you do to me now? They're good. I don't think it's bad. I just think you got to be careful. Like, I like to take days off, see if it's freaking me out. So far, no problems. I'm having fun. It's the trifecta now. I told y'all, whatever y'all do today, I'm doing. One more time. Yeah, I'm good.

Oh, this is dying out. Yeah, if you keep the lid off. It's dying out already. In between uses, keep it. But I think it's, you know, it's probably, Jesus, how consistent are they with this match? Dean, you're doing everything today, Dean. I was just about to say I'm about to cry. I'm about to pull a Khalil Rowntree on y'all. I'm feeling emotional. Khalil's going to be mad at you. I'm feeling emotional right now. No, no, I'm not Khalil Rowntree kicking me. No, no, no. Khalil, I'm sorry. I just want to tell you, I'm sorry. But that is going to be a wild fight. Whew.

I'll tell you what. That's going to be a wild fight. It's going to be fan-friendly for sure. Khalil has probably never shot a takedown in his entire career. I think Khalil can win, too. No, he's never shot a takedown in the UFC. Bro, if Khalil hits anybody, he can knock you out. Alex gets hit. He does. Well, he puts himself—he's got that crazy style, man. That style, that snake-like style that he has with the hands down. Yeah, he holds his hands right here and just like, bop, bop.

You seen him sparring right you've seen some of those videos of his farm like really good boxers man He's stay in the pocket with him too, and that style is hard to handle because it's so weird They're used to everything like that one boxer that he was Training with is like I don't know if he's professional He's but he's a big heavyweight very skillful, but everything was like real traditional right and then you see Pereira's moving at you like a cobra like it's so hard to figure out what the fuck he's doing and you're lucky He's not kicking you you know he's just punching this dude, right?

But, hey, like you said, Khalil, if he lands. If he lands, everybody goes night-night. Yeah, for sure. Everybody goes night-night. That guy's fast as fuck. I know. And he fights angry. How old is Pereira? They're both about the same age, I believe. 34, maybe? How old is Khalil? I think Pereira's 35, and I think Khalil is probably in that same range. Alex, 37. How old is Khalil?

I had no idea he was that old. 37. I thought he was like 34. And fighting well. It's 37 Amazon Warrior years. And he don't have a lot of damage. I'm 36, don't mind. Khalil's 34. Speaking of superheroes. He has some damage, though. Some kickboxing fights. He got stopped. Yeah, that's true. And the one with...

The bad one with Izzy. That was a bad one. That was a bad KO. And that's a weight-drained KO, you know? Yeah, definitely. KO at 85. I mean, just Izzy caught him with that perfect right hand. Well, it is, too, because when guys that fight like Roy Jones, amazing, but an amazing athlete. He was so much faster than everybody he fought with. He could keep his hands down and still never get hit. Right.

When he started to slow down, everybody knocked him out. So that's why I asked how old Preror was because I'm like maybe when he slows a bit and the hands are down, the button starts to get pushed. I think – this is my opinion. With Roy, what happened was he went up and he fought John Ruiz. And then he went down and he fought Tartt. I don't think he was the same after that. He was not the same. I think –

And I don't know, but I would imagine if you want to get really big, there's not a lot of ways to get really big. How do you go from 168 to 200 pounds? How do you do that? Well, you lift some weights. Get a little help. You got some friends. So then you have to get off of that, and then you have to drop weight.

25 pounds from your body so I bought it fully acclimated to this frame That's a hard cut point And he looks if you look at the way he looked pre Tarver fight like you if you go back and watch him fight like James Tony when he was in his prime you watch him fight like some of the better fights of his career like the Vinny Pazienza fight we didn't get hit with one punch But he was also shredded

Yeah, he was shredded and he looked like hard like the most rock defined bicep Twice as big yeah, right so but when you see him after the target fight, he was way more smooth I think that cut was hard man. I think that cut was hard and then he probably got off Whatever he got on for sure and then your systems not working right and if you don't have a good doctor and you're trying to do this with gym bros, right and

Next thing you know, you're in those shitty Matrix sequels. Didn't have any HGG and all of a sudden... Remember the Glenn Johnson one? Remember the Glenn Johnson one? Man, I felt bad for him after that. He was getting that real bad. That was a bad one. And that was off the Tarver fight, right? And so you see, like, all of a sudden this dude just can't take a shot anymore. And Glenn Johnson, who was one of those unheralded, dangerous dudes that could really kind of beat anybody. That crazy clamshell style. Who was the boy that knocked him out in Australia? Yeah.

Kawasaki didn't knock him out, right? No. He shut him out, though. He shut him out. Kawasaki's tough. Kawasaki would just throw volume at you. Yeah, for sure. He Roy Jonesed Roy Jones. He was in his face like, whoo, ba-ba-ba-ba-ba. Different Roy Jones, though. Different Roy Jones. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, if you fought the Roy Jones that James Toney had a fight, then it's a different thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's not happening. One of the purest power punchers was Julian Jackson. Oh, my God. Yes, the Hulk.

Oh, my God. You know, Kevin Holland's coach used to work with him. Really? Yeah, they're like really good friends. That guy had power, power. Play the Terry Norris fight. Julian Jackson, Terry Norris. He lost to Danny Green in Australia. Yeah, Danny Green. Danny Green, yeah. Yo, dude, I'm going to use the head real quick. Go ahead. You don't have to say it.

You know my aunt. Terry Norris and Julian Jackson and Terry Norris. Dude, you just do Julian Jackson highlights. This one's terrifying. This one's terrifying. Well, Terry Norris, that poor guy. Yeah. He's in real rough shape now. I don't think nobody had more one-punch power than Julian Jackson. No. No one. Short punches, too. Just black. That was tough.

I used to love him. Orlin Norris, he's good too. Oh, yeah, his brother was a heavyweight, and he was 47. I remember. 47 and 54, right? But watch this Julian Jackson KO. It's so crazy because it's like he just shuts him off. He hit. And Terry Norris was a killer. Oh, this is a prime Terry Norris. This is a prime Terry Norris. This is a dangerous Terry Norris here. But he just catches him. Watch this.

Okay, so that was the first one. So you hurt him with that left hand, but he catches him with the right hand and just freezes him. Oh, my God. I'm going to get my hair cut like his. Just a pure one-punch fighter. I know. Some guys just like to hit him. Look at him stalking. I would be terrified. He's waiting to hit you with it. I would be terrified if that guy was stalking me like that. It's just he knows all he has to do is get you once.

And every time he hits you, you know it too. Because you're like, oh, shit. This is fucking terrifying. So he's already softened him up, and there it is. Oh, man. Oh, man. He took two more. He didn't need to. He took two more. He was out on his feet, bro. And those were wind-up ones. The last two he took were wind-up ones.

Julian Jackson was terrifying. They're short. They're short in those punches. Oh, Gerald McClellan. Gerald McClellan had his number. I felt so bad for him because he got slept so fast in those fights.

No, Gerald McClellan was a 75-pounder. Oh, they fought twice. Gerald McClellan fought Terry Norris? Julian Jackson. Oh, that's right. But that's when Julian went up, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So was Julian a middleweight at this time? I believe so. Because the crazy thing is, like, I didn't know that Gerald McClellan and Julian Jackson were at the same weight class. Yeah, they wound up fighting twice. I was at one of the fights. McClellan, though, was like 175, though, right? At the MGM.

McClellan was so dangerous, man. My first live boxing card I ever went to was in Vegas at the MGM, and it was all rematches. It was Jesse James Lehan, Azuma Nelson. Yeah. It was, I think it was Simon Brown and Vincent Pettway. It was Julian Jackson and Gerald McClellan, and it was Julio Cesar Chavez and Frankie Randall. God, what weight is this at? What weight is this at? Because I know they were trying to set up— Middleweight?

Crazy. So that's before. Well, they were talking about a Roy Jones Jr. fight. And I think he was really struggling. Was that a low blow? Big time. Yeah, because Gerald McClellan. He was really struggling to make weight. Gerald took his belt and then they rematched and he slept him. And so the Nigel Benn fight, that was middleweight as well. Nigel Benn, man, he. That was the one that ended his career.

Joe McClellan. Yeah, dude. I mean, in my opinion, there was a lot of rabid punching, and he wound up having a blood clot in the back of his head after that fight. Well, there was also a nasty headbutt in that fight, too. But it's also Nigel Benn came back from that first round, which, oh, look at that KO. Oh, my goodness. And in the rematch, he sleeps him fast. Oh, my goodness. What is going on with his hair? Yeah.

That's what they did back then. What is that? Hit and play. High top fade. Yeah, but I mean it's like that and like the little sides you need them cut. Oh, my God. Gerald McClellan just coming after you for the kill. Terrifying. That's it. Are they going to let him count? He just had his number, man. Beat him both times. Well, he was one of the scariest punchers of all time. Yeah, both of them. But he's another guy who tried to empty the gas tank with Nigel Benn that first round, and Benn survived. And then he winds up having that brain bleed. Yeah.

That's one of the scariest ones ever, man. Is this the rematch? Okay, let's watch this execution. I remember this. I was at this one. This was in Vegas? Yeah, MGM.

Well, once John McClellan knew that he could put it on you, it's like his power was just so nuts for that weight class. But I always wanted to know, like, what does he really weigh? He's like one of those Benavidez guys. Like, when you get in there, what do you really weigh? Because he really struggled with the weight cut. And that's one of the – oh, my God, right away. Oh, man, right away. That's what I say. He gets them early in this one. Oh, my God, just teeing off, dude, teeing off. That shot to the body.

My goodness. He can't even look up. He's not even giving him a chance to get off. Just getting executed. Every shot's got murder on it. Oh, that left to the body. Oh, my goodness. The power in these fucking punches, man. Just overwhelming. Liver shot.

They're giving him a standing eight. Isn't that crazy? Standing eight count is kind of nuts. It's the dumbest rule ever. It's kind of nuts. You're concussed. I'm MMA. Let me give you eight seconds to clear your head and get concussed more. MMA is the way to do it. It really is. Well, you remember when Shudo used to do standing eight counts? Mm-hmm. Yeah, back in the day. Yeah. Yeah.

What do you think about red cards or yellow cards? I think they should bring them back. What would you bring them back for? Stalling? Stalling. Yeah. That's probably about the only thing you should bring them back for, stalling. Like hanging out too long. Like, hey, man, get to work. I used to think when there was a submission in the Pride and the referee would be like,

What do you say? Shot! What do you say? What do you say? Catch! Was it catch? Catch! Catch! Yeah, when someone caught something. Yeah. What do you guys think of Ortega and Lopez? Cool.

That's a good fight. I think Lopez is going to get him. I mean, I'm on that side. Lopez went through a roller coaster ride in his last fight. I know. Imagine that. You got three different opponents. You got three different weight classes. Everything's changing. Well, you got two different opponents, right? But a bunch of different weight classes. And then Ortega can't make it.

And so Ortega steps out, and then he winds up fighting Dan Ige, 50K Ige, on like 40 minutes notice. Dan was just chilling at his house. He might have trained that day. Something I didn't know about that, but I was watching, DC was actually talking about this, and he said that Ige had been training for five or six weeks. Obviously, he took the fight on like a two-hour call. They said Lopez had only been training for three weeks.

Yeah, because he took it on short notice. He had short notice. Because it was short notice for him, too. Because he got tired in the fight, and everybody's thinking he's got a big gas tank. Well, he had to cut weight, too, though. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He cut weight to 45. Yeah, so he had three weeks of training, weight up and down everywhere. And they fought at 60, right? And he was able to pull it out. Didn't they fight at 60? Yeah, because it was same-day weigh-in. It was same-day weigh-in, yeah. Which is crazy.

Which is really like, no one should be cutting weight, kids. Right. At this point, if you make the fight happen, just let them show up. I think what they really should do is just find out what you fucking actually weigh and just stop this nonsense. It should be looked at the same way steroids are looked at. It should be looked at the same way all other kind of cheating is looked at. It's sanctioned cheating. It is. You're not really 155 pounds. I agree with you. Just whatever you weigh, just fight there.

Exactly. And more options for weight classes. Do you think same-day weigh-ins would change it? But it would get more guys hurt. I mean, they say that because of the dehydration and stuff. Yeah, I mean, this is the reason why McClellan—one of the things they say about head injuries and death in boxing, the vast majority of them don't take place at heavyweight.

So the guys who hit the hardest are not the guys who are getting these horrible brain injuries where they get dead inside the ring. Makes sense because they're not cutting weight. They're not cutting weight. And the guys who die a lot, like the Ducku Kims, if you look at the guys who die, a lot of them are cutting. Boom Boom was never the same after that. Oh my God. How could you be? You killed a guy. Right. A lot of those guys that are dying are dying in the weight classes where they cut a lot of weight. Well, I mean, you're right. So like...

Like Sean Brady and Gilbert Burns over the weekend. There ain't no way Sean Brady is 174. That's what I'm saying. No, no, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Just let them fight it. 20 minutes. Just let them fight it 190, right? These guys are 190 pounds. They walk into the cage at 190. They should just be fighting at 190. They should be fighting at 190, and this way they both agree to it. You can't get any heavier than 194, whatever. Yeah.

But we know what you weigh, let's just make a fight. Yeah, fuck all this weight cutting. It's just cheating.

And also, the fucking drama of seeing if a guy dehydrated himself enough 24 hours before a cage fight is somehow or another interesting to people. Where Daniel Cormier is pushing down on that towel. Remember that shit? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Remember DC? Uh-huh. That's right. It ain't cheating if you don't get caught. It's ridiculous. John Jones and Daniel Cormier were both fucking killers. Let them eat. Let them eat. Let them hydrate themselves. Fuck all this weighing in. You know what you weigh. Figure out what you weigh when you make the contract. Yeah.

And then just leave it alone. That's what it is. That's what it is. That's what it is. That's what you're doing. And be loose about it. If a guy's a pound over, a pound under, who gives a fuck? But don't dehydrate yourself. But how about what they did to Mikey Musumichi? Oh, right. He got fucked on his situation. Well, I mean, he was going up in weight to fight Cade Rotolo. So he went up to 170 and then like...

A couple days, like a week before, they're like, no, you got to go back down to 135K. Ritulo's out. And he's the champion, and they treated him like this. And they're like, you got to go back down and cut 30 pounds. He gets sick cutting 30 pounds. Well, he almost died. They took his belt. And then they took his belt. That's fucked up. Wait a minute. They took his belt? Yes, they took his belt. For missing weight. For missing weight.

Wait a minute. Really? Yes, that's what I'm saying. Like one totally fucked him. I didn't hear that. Yes, they took his belt. I saw an article about it. How can you take his belt when he's in the hospital for trying to do you a favor? Exactly. My point exactly. I was shocked because that's really not what they're supposed to be about. How are you going to make this fucking guy fight after he almost- They had a statement. Or after he's cutting 30 pounds. How are you making him do that? He's cutting 30 pounds in three days. What's their statement?

One speaks out. Okay, what did they say? After recent events, we feel it is necessary to provide additional context on Mikey Musumeci's withdrawal from the 168 Denver card. Sit Yau Tong and Musumeci...

of Musumechi. Mike was obviously put in a difficult spot when Cade Rotolo withdrew due to injury. When that happened, we worked closely with him and his team on a new opponent. Competing at flyweight was something that he personally requested as he felt confident that he could make the hydrated limit of 135 pounds for a world title defense. This is not something we pushed to him to

to do on short notice or would have ever demanded of a one athlete given how much we prioritize fighter safety. After Mikey failed weight and hydration tests on Thursday, he requested an opponent submission grappling contest against Roberto Oliveira, and we continued to work with him to try to keep him on the card. He ultimately felt it was his best interest to withdraw from the contest, and we are honoring that.

This writing is uncertain when Musumechi will return to one or who will compete for the now vacant belt. Musumechi was diagnosed with pneumo-mediastinum, a rare condition which air leaks from a part of the lung. Oh, Jesus. Oh.

How do you fucking strip a guy when he winds up in the hospital? He didn't fight. Right, exactly. That doesn't make any sense. Imagine if Alex is fighting Khalil Roundtree and in making weight, he winds up in the hospital and the fight's canceled. He doesn't lose his belt. In this organization, it does. That's crazy. That's what I'm saying. That's crazy. See, another reason why weight cutting should be not allowed anymore. It's nonsense. It's terrible. They're always going to fucking do it, though.

Yeah, but you know what, man? I think it's a part of the culture that can be eradicated. I don't think it's impossible to eradicate it. That's like saying, oh, they can always do steroids. Well, USADA came along and they fixed that. Right. And now drug-free sport, they fixed it.

It's like most of these athletes are pretty clean. There might be a few instances of questionable behavior. Perhaps a trip to a foreign land is difficult to get to. But you're right. For the most part, it is. For the most part. Because we've seen deteriorations of performance because guys have had to clean up. The Uber Eam era was the best era. Sure.

It was an IQ test. I was just looking at pictures of him today versus Uber Eam, and it's pretty crazy because he's lost a ton of weight. Oh, how he looks now? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now he's on a vegan diet, and he's all spiritual. Really? Yeah, Alistair's real thin now. He's maybe, what, 200 pounds? Yeah, he's thinner than he was when he was fighting. That's a weird picture. It's hard to tell from that picture. That's the only one I could find. He looked bigger than the other ones.

Well, he's still a big fucking guy. They have side-by-sides of him then and now. It's hard to tell in that picture. He's always going to be a big guy.

You know, he's a massive man. But, you know, when he fought Brock Lesnar, he was just a freak of science. Yeah. He was the freakiest of all freaks. If you just let that dude juice it up like that, that guy back in the day, ooh, he was the most dangerous. Because those kickboxing skills were top notch. Or how about Vitor when he was on? Ooh, baby. Yeah, right? Baby. Traps up to his ears. I know, he had them turtle shells, boy. I feel like USADA robbed us of the real Uber Eats.

Like if Uber could have stayed Uber. Yeah. Could have stayed Uber and just continued at 265. Let me fuck Brock. Ooh, baby, baby, baby. He'd still be champ. He might be, man. Bro, them kickboxing skills, his kickboxing skills were super legit. I think I was a K1 Grand Prix champion. Super legit kickboxing skills. And he wasn't a bad grappler. He had a good guillotine. Yeah, he was a good grappler. He won the Abu Dhabi Trials in Europe. Yeah. Yeah. No, he's legit. Yeah.

And man, that fucking kickboxing though. It's funny how you look back on those days, especially the juicy days, and you wonder what would the world look like now if we were under the same sort of protocols they were under then. Forget about the TRT days because everybody lost their fucking mind. That was crazy. You're allowing guys to juice up. That was crazy. Right.

But when there was just tests at the weigh-ins, that's a different thing, man. Yeah. That's a different thing, just testing at the weigh-ins. Yeah. No randoms? Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's for sure. IVs are fine? Oh, they are? That's the old days, man. That is true. It is rough to get hydrated back up, though, without these weigh-ins. What was the explanation for that? Like doing away with them?

People could use that to mask. Yeah, apparently there's some ways that you can mask. You just overflood your system with fluids and it cleans out all the traces of whatever metabolites would be in there. I guess there's probably a window where it would get back in your urine.

It's hard to get hydrated back up, man. Yeah, that was kind of my point because it kind of takes away from safety, but I guess... Bro, they shouldn't be doing that. They shouldn't be dehydrating themselves 24 hours before a case fight. That's the point, right? Like, if you have to have that... But they are. I know, but it seems like, you know, this... I actually said this to the guys that bought the UFC when I was talking to Ari about it. I was like, dude, this is the first thing you should do. Figure out a way to get rid of the weight classes. What?

as they are, like whoever is a champion in that, keep them as a champion. Let them defend the belt at what they actually weigh. Weight cutting is the most... The thing that's going to fuck us more than anything is if somebody gets really badly hurt because they had a really bad weight cut. You know guys have kidney failures. For sure. Guys have died. You lose all the water around your brain and you're taking trauma. How many weight limits...

I mean, weight classes, you think. More weight classes. You need a weight class. I think you need one every 10 pounds. But I think we should be a little bit looser on what a person weighs. I think you should make a contractual obligation to fight each other. You find out what a person weighs. His natural weight is 175. Do you want to fight him? Your natural weight is 169.

You agreed that you can't get any higher than 176. Are you cool with that? Yeah. Okay. I'm cool with that. That's like total. You don't have to think at all about cutting weight at all. And so the day before the fight, instead of almost dying, you're filling yourself up with carbs and nutrients. You're relaxing. You're going to have a better performance. It's better for the sport. It's better for the health of the athletes.

It's more representation of what a real 155-pound guy looks like, because you see those guys, and they get in there, and they're 180... Like, Drikus? Yeah. That is not a 185-pound man. He's fucking massive. Maybe they need to weigh in the day they're signing the contract to see where both of them are. That way, no shenanigans is going on either, you know? Also, but they need to hydrate you, too. Like, you...

Dudes will fuck around with that. That's true. They'll still cut weight for the win. So if we have a hydration thing, like say if you're going to compete, you need to be in shape in your fighting weight, and then we're going to weigh you in. And we're going to check your water levels. We're going to check your hydration. Okay, this is what you actually weigh. You weigh 182 pounds in your prime, ready to go. Okay? So this is what you guys are going to do.

obligated to stay in this range. So you can't get any higher than 183 or 184. You just give them like a two pound, I have to take a shit. No one's going to be saying their real weight to begin with. But they won't be able to stop them if they fucking hydrate test them. So if they show up, you say to a guy, look, we're going to show up, we're going to test you at the weight that you're going to fight at.

So you can't get any higher than this. And we're going to make sure that you're not dehydrated. So we're going to check you to make sure that you're not fucking around, like pretending that you're 182 pounds, really 200. And you dehydrate yourself for the last four hours. Let's find out what you really weigh. What they do in like Maryland for like high school wrestling before the season, the kids have to get the electric, you know, body composition. Yeah. And it,

sees what they weigh it sees where their body fat percentage is and it says you can't go no lower than this so they basically dictate to them they should do a little bit more they should do blood they should do blood hydration levels they should check your urine they should i think that would cost a lot for they should just do it well i'm not saying schools i'm not not school systems what school system is doing is great i mean for the ufc they just need to be sure

Don't let anybody fuck around. Like, hey, you showed up at 196. You still want to take the fight? Like, what the fuck? It's 182. What are we doing? Why is it 196? The problem is the UFC has the ability to do this. No other organization would have the ability to do this. That's what I'm saying. That's the problem is that...

And the UFC obviously could do it at the PI. Like every year, this is what we do. But no other regional level organizations would be able to do it, so it would be a little tougher. Doesn't California do some kind, like Andy Foster, do some kind of hydration testing there for athletes? I think he has a limit on how much you can gain.

I think he has a percentage. Yeah. North Carolina does that too. They have a limit. But then you're just making sure the guy's dehydrated because guys are knuckleheads. They're going to dehydrate themselves anyway to have that size advantage. Especially a guy like McClellan who thinks he's going to take you out in the first round anyway. And they're size bullies. Yeah. You should find out what you fucking really weigh and fight at what you really weigh at. It shouldn't be the ultimate weight cutting championship. It's better for your chin not to

be dehydrated too. Better for everything. Better for the longevity. Better for the health of your physical body that is literally your weapon of war. For sure. Yes, for everything. Recovery, performance. There'd be better fights. I like the PI. That's a good... Yeah. The PI can do it. Look, it can be done because if it wasn't and then all of a sudden people started doing it, it would be something people would call out. If nobody ever cut weight and then all of a sudden everybody started cutting weight, everybody would go, what the fuck is this shit? You're not 170 pounds. This is a lot.

How are you the 170-pound champion when you weigh 200 pounds? That's crazy. My wife hates that. That's her biggest peeve with MMA is weight cutting. She's like, that's not even fair. Well, it is fair because you're both doing it, but it's not right. It's stupid. It's bad for everybody. 155 was brutal for me to make, and

But 165. That would have been great for me. That's what I'm saying. 170, I was small for 170. So all you need is 10 pounds. Every 10 pounds. We go 170 goes to 175, 85, 95, 205, maybe 225. That's what I say. And then it's super heavy. As big as the fucking guy is. That's right. Because I don't like this 265 bullshit either. I agree. Rob, when was the last time you weighed 265? I mean, I'm...

Actually right now. But what year, the biggest, what you were, how big were you? 305. Damn. So you would have to lose a fuck load of weight. You'd have to lose 40 fucking pounds. That's crazy. Yeah, no, that shouldn't happen. That's crazy. That's so hard to do. Like when you got a guy like Ngannou, there's a natural 265, which is nuts. Like he falls right there.

Like right in the hot zone. Like a natural shredded 265. But that's what he really weighs. That's his actual weight. He's not cutting weight. That's his actual weight. Do they have the same shit in Bellator or PFL? I don't think they have a super heavyweight.

I don't think anybody has an active super heavyweight division in MMA that I'm aware of. No big organization. I don't think PFL has it. Japan really was the only place to put on the crazy freak shows. They didn't give a fuck, dude. Let a 180-pound guy fight a gorilla.

They had Gabby Garcia fight housewives. Get in there, lady. Ganky Sudo took on all kinds of giants. Did he take on Butterbean? Yeah, Ganky Sudo took on Butterbean. And beat him. And beat him. Yeah, he leg locked him. Bro, Butterbean could crack. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Remember that time we had a boxing match against some football player?

Somebody let some poor football player have a boxing match with Butterbean. It might have been a celebrity boxing match, and Butterbean knocked him into another dimension. He's a tough man. Bro, he could punch. What did they used to call him? The king of the four rounders? Yeah. Because he's so big, he ain't going to distance. He's 450 fucking pounds. All his fights would be four rounds, so he could go out there and windmill people. What a goddamn nightmare that guy was. You couldn't hit anything on him.

He was doing horribly for a while. He had 150 sweaters on. You're not going to hurt him. Like 150 sweaters. And that other guy looks natural. This has got to be Japan. Who is that? Who is he fighting there, Jeremy? He's leg kicking this guy.

Marcus Royster? Oh, so this is a kickboxing match, which is nuts. When I was at my heaviest, I kind of looked like that. Is this a football player that he's fighting? I have no idea. I just typed that in. Oh, well, it might have been. It might have been a football player who trained MMA. Marcus Royster. Oh, nice knee to the body. He's big enough. See if you can find there was a boxing match that he had against some football player dude. Dude, poor Butterbean. That guy was...

Couldn't walk, couldn't anything. Celebrity boxing. But now he's fucked up. Oh, celebrity boxing. That's probably it. Yeah. He's messed up. Diamond Dallas Page really did another rehab on him. Another one of those things on him? He brought him back, man. Really? Shout out to DDP. Such a positive guy. Yes.

Like put him up in the house, feeding him all that. He's feeding Butterbean? He's such a good person. Dude, it's something to see. He really brought him back. Butterbean couldn't even walk. Butterbean versus big roid fighter. That's the dude. First big roid fighter. That's what it says.

This poor dude. This poor dude got shot into another dimension. Oh, he looks like he's about to go out. He looks like he's getting shot into another dimension. Deserves it for that fucking stash. This is one of them guys that, you know, somebody should have told him. Like, this is a bad idea. Eventually this fucking crazy looking dude is going to catch you. We're one of these meat bombs. He's going to hit you right in your porn stash. Right? There's a thing about winning with a porn stash.

You know, but you get KO'd with a porn stash on. People, they don't feel sympathetic to you. They should. You stupid ass with that mustache. See if you can find out where this ends. Yeah, Butterbean. Right. Ooh. Come on, this is a highlight. Whoever, this is a clickbait on us. Oh, so is it...

Does he stop him here? Maybe this is a different guy. Is this the one that goes the distance? This might be the wrong one. This guy played football. The guy that I saw him kick. Oh. Oh. Oh, there it is. Oh, man. That was pretty good. Yeah. He could punch, dude. He could punch. It was just crazy to watch a guy who was only willing to fight four rounds. King of the four rounders. His

He's awesome. He's used to that tough man shit, man. I fought in that when I was 18. There's a place for everything, right? Like the bare knuckle thing. We were talking about Mike Perry before we started doing this. That's the perfect spot for that dude. He should have told Jake Paul, listen, we need to fight, but let's do bare knuckle, pussy. Let's go. Or I'll do this, you do that. It's a different thing, man. It's a different thing with that guy.

Well, it's like Matt always says, play to your strengths. Yeah. But you know, you got to take that payday. I mean, what did he make out of that fight? He probably made 10 million bucks or something crazy. And Jay Paul's very smart, man. Like, he gets guys that he's bigger than. The only time he fought another boxer his size was Tom Fury, and he lost. Tom Fury? Good fight. Tommy Fury. Very good fight. Very good fight.

You know, I think he's like any other young up-and-coming boxer. It's just everybody dismisses him because he's a YouTuber. For sure. It's easy to dismiss him, but I was there when he knocked out Tyron, and I was like, man, I'm done with this kid. I was like...

I never wanted to corner another fight in my life, man. I was like, yo, he just knocked my boy flat out on his face, man. I was heartbroken. Bro, he has power. He has real power. And that's why, like, everybody's talking about this Mike Tyson thing. I was like, man, they should not be letting this thing happen. I really hope he doesn't knock Mike Tyson out. To me, I'll just be real bummed out to see Mike get KO'd at 58 years old. Like, what other sport would we let a 58-year-old man compete other than golf?

Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, why are we letting this happen? It's kind of crazy. But he's made for it, man. Like, he's made for it. Mike is? Yeah, I mean, it's what he is. Dude, he's perfectly capable of knocking him out. He is perfectly capable. If he zigs when he should have zagged, if Mike can close the distance in a way that he doesn't expect, and Mike...

has layers upon layers of attacks that are in his mind. He's forgotten more about boxing than Jake Paul has ever remembered. It's just how quickly can it happen because how much gas is a guy like that going to have? Also, how does he feel now? He might have been excited when he said he wanted to do it, but how does he feel now? You've got months and months and months of this. I just want to see something other than his mitts. Does he dismiss? Does he wish he didn't say yes to it?

How's his health? How's his back? How's his knees? He seems to be having fun when he's promoting it. He seems to be into it. It's probably on Mushrooms, bro. And it's also risk versus reward. Like, if he loses, he's also almost 60. If he wins, fuck.

man, that's another great, imagine he knocks him out. He's a monster. Look, at the end of the day, Mike Tyson's a monster. And if he can get that monster to just move in and close the distance, and if he uncorks a boom on Jake Paul and watch Jake Paul go into Queer Street, that will be wild. To watch a 58-year-old Mike Tyson, that would be best case scenario for the world.

I agree. For sure. Worst case scenario is someone gets hurt. Yeah, best case scenario for the world is that he knocks Jake Paul out. Yeah, best case scenario is Jake Paul realizes immediately he's in there with Mike Tyson. That Mike Tyson, at least for a round or two, will still be Mike Tyson. First time he gets cracked, I guarantee you his head's going to be like, oh, shit. It's going to be interesting to see what happens. How many rounds is it? I think it's eight. Eight two-minute rounds. That are two minutes? Yeah, I think they're doing two-minute rounds. I think they have...

Do they have 10-ounce gloves or 12-ounce gloves, Jamie? It's a lot better, the two-minute rounds. Yeah. I think they're making them have slightly bigger gloves. 14-ounce. 14 ounces. That's so sparring gloves. Yeah. And it's not sanctioned, right? It can't be sanctioned. It's sanctioned. It's sanctioned? It is sanctioned. How do you sanction that?

Texas. Yeehaw. Same place you can own a giraffe. That's funny. My wife was driving home one day. She saw a zebra. Same place has more tiders than anybody. She goes, there's a zebra loose. I go, welcome to Texas, baby. A zebra? Yeah, you can have a zebra here. Some dude's zebra got out. I think that's funny.

They got a few tigers here, right? You can't smoke a joint. There's more tigers in captivity in Texas in private collections than in all of the wild of Earth. How is that true? Yes, that's true. Do you hear about tigers getting loose in people's yards? Because they fence them in, bro. That's it? So how big are these tigers? They're tiger tigers. Real tigers. Real tigers. There's thousands of tigers in private collections in Texas.

Really? Bro, this is a crazy place. It's a crazy place. Oh. It's so tight with the weed. Yeah. But you can't smoke weed here. They got to bail on that. They're also tight with fentanyl tests, which is even crazier. Escape tiger that had Texas communities on edge finally caught. Oh, yeah. That was around Houston. Bengal tiger was on loose for nearly a week. Jesus. What was it eating? Ah!

That's Houston. See, you got all that oil money down there in Houston, and that's where dudes have their own tigers. That's what I like about New York. You just got to worry about some raccoons and shit. There's a guy in New York that had a fucking tiger in his house in Harlem.

What? Yeah, there's a photograph, a famous photograph of these cops. See if you can find that photo, Jamie. The cops are looking through the, right there, looking through the window. This guy had a tiger in his fucking apartment. Oh my God. Look at that thing. Bro, how insane is that photo? Was the guy in there or was he eaten? I don't think the guy got killed. I think they just found out the guy had a tiger in there and they had to go in and dart him.

And then they had to drag him out of there and take him to the zoo. Yeah, the dude had a 450-pound cat in his fucking apartment.

How do you clean up after that? Not well. Get a big litter box. First of all, that thing's going to piss everywhere. I know. They mark their territory by pissing on things. They got a smell that would have to... I can't even. That guy was just tigered out. He was all in. Regular cat urines bad enough. I know. Imagine a tiger. Tigers just pissing on your walls. What are you going to do? Tell it don't do that? Stop that. You hit it with a fucking newspaper? Stop that.

I'm going to eat your arm. What ever happened to the Tiger King? Is he in jail still that day? Yep, still in jail. I had the people who did the documentary on yesterday. That thing was crazy though with that kid killing himself by accident. Crazy. First of all, you don't find more white trash than that. You need to watch Chimp Crazy. Chimp Crazy, they take it to the next level. Oh yeah, I'm not watching that. I am going to watch that. Bro, it's nuts. It's nuts. It's fucking nutty, man.

Whew the people's desire to have these things that could kill them. It's so strange. I'll just watch the new Plenty of Eeps movie That King came out is that supposed to be good? From what I seen those aren't bad. How's that alien movie? Did you see that the new one? No, I heard it's good. Really? Yeah, it's real good. I heard it's scary as fuck I heard it like goes back to like the first alien where they're like hard to find it's scary and

After a while, they were everywhere and you just shoot them. The first one, you couldn't even find that fucker. He was sneaking around. Aliens. Acid blood. Yeah, he was so scary. Aliens was phenomenal. Aliens was such a great sequel to Alien because it was a different take on it and then the space marines and...

Fucking Newton. Fucking Hicks. Hicks was great. Hudson. Was it good? Hudson was fucking great. Bill Paxson? Hell yeah. Game over, man. Good movie. Game over. But it was a totally different kind of movie. Right? So you got...

Ridley Scott does the first Alien. Suspenseful. And you've got this suspenseful, terrifying thing, and people start coming up missing, and it's fucking hiding in the ceiling. You're thinking Tom Everett's going to be the hero. Right. And then all of a sudden he gets taken out. You're like, wait, what? What? Oh, it's going to be Sigourney. She's the hero. She was the first male or female lead of a monster movie, action movie, where...

You didn't go, oh, they're pushing a woman on me. You believed it. Yes, yes, yes. You believed that this lady scientist got stuck in this fucking spaceship with a demon. Oh, this is great. Oh, that movie's so good. Aliens is so good. Aliens is good, but Alien is better. No. Because it's hard to kill. Blasphemy. In Aliens, they're shooting them left and right. They're all over the place. In the people in Aliens, Alien 1 would have been done in five minutes. Like, oh, there it is. It's dead. You know? But

But in this one, they kill so many of them until they get to the mother. And then when the mother doesn't kill her when she's wearing the robot suit, I'm like, shut the fuck up, bitch. But I like when she's like, get away from her, you bitch! In the first one, you really didn't know what was going on. In the second one, they were prepared for what they were coming up against. The thing is, there's too much exposed.

I don't buy it. If she's in a robot thing where she's completely encased, okay. But she's just all out there with tissue exposed. Get away from her, you bitch. This is a giant alien. How is that thing not going to fuck? It moves way quicker than people. How is that not going to fuck you up instantaneously with your stupid-ass slow robot? There's so many moments in that, though, that movie when they barricade themselves in the one room.

And they're like, they have the monitor and they're like, they threw the wall. That's inside the room. It can't be inside the room. All of a sudden they look up and you see Hicks. He pushes up the tile and you see them all crawling in the fire. That was fucking money. Fucking money. What a great movie. It's a great movie. It's just a different kind of movie.

I was hoping they would have got more into the engineers, like when they did Prometheus. Yeah. That they would have got into those people, but it wasn't much of the movie. Prometheus was good, but the one after Prometheus was better. What was that one, Jeremy? What was the last one? With Kenny McBride in it, right? Yes. Because it ended fucked up. I know.

Covenant, yeah. Wasn't Jussie Smollett in that one too? He was. He was in that one. This is a good one, though, man. This one's good. No, man, he's in there. He's in the spaceship. He's working the controls. This is a real good one. This one's fucking good. This one's really good.

And again, the aliens in this one, they're hard to get a hold of. Is that Michael Fassbender? Yes. Yes. So these are the things that get to your ear. Oh, shit. Little spores get inside you from that egg. It's a good one, man. This is a really good one. Yeah, I did remember this. And when these dudes start shaking when it gets them. Mm.

It's fucking great. That's a good one. Yeah. But I heard the new one is really good, too. I think the new one's Ridley Scott, too, as well, right? And he's doing a new... Is he doing a new Gladiator? Ridley Scott? Did he do the new Gladiator? I don't know. I mean, I know... Oh, yeah. I can't wait for that shit. I know it's coming out. I'm on the fence with that. What? The new Gladiator? What? I'm on the fence with it. Why? I don't know, man. How can you be on the fence with that? I don't know. I mean...

What he called looks like he's like, I don't know. Is he talking like New York slang? Denzel and the fucking thing? No, man. Oh, did people said something about his accent, right? What is the accent that people have an issue with? Can we hear Denzel? Let's hear his accent. Let's hear what he said. Where were you born? I never knew a mother nor a father. You will be my instrument. Who are you?

Sounds like a regular dude. They want him to have a British accent? They always want people, when they're speaking another language that's translated into English, they always want them to have a British accent. It doesn't matter where it's from. It's Rome. Isn't that weird? Everyone talks in a different way. Yeah, it's weird. It is kind of weird. This is in India. I mean, you know what I'm saying? No matter where it is. They want him to have a British accent. This is in Rome. This is in Italy. Why do they talk like this?

But there's something about hearing regular modern English in an old-timey movie. Like, no. Like, you don't buy it now. Yeah, you need an accent. Like Tyrion Lannister. All the people in Game of Thrones, they all had an English accent. Did they speak Latin with an Italian accent back then? That's a good question. I don't think they spoke Latin. I don't think these people were speaking Latin.

Were they? In Rome? Yeah. They may have been. Were they speaking Italian or were they speaking Latin? They would have been speaking Latin. Okay, but here's the question, the reason why I ask this. When Martin Luther was translating the Bible in the 1500s or the 1400s, whenever that was, the reason why the Bible was, the priests would be the only one that could tell you the Word of God, because they're the only one that could read Latin.

So no one spoke Latin, no one read Latin. They couldn't read it. So these people didn't know what was in the Bible until Martin Luther, he translated it into phonetic languages. I think German and a couple other languages it got eventually translated to. So then people could read the Bible for themselves. Whereas before it was just Latin. So when did Latin die off? When did they stop using Latin? Because Latin's a weird one. You learn it in school, but you're never going to fucking use it.

Latin and Greek. They spoke Latin and Greek. Like, when did Latin go? Isn't it crazy? So the Roman Empire, they spoke a language that's dead. It's a dead language. Which is bananas. It's just gone now? Gone. 476. That's probably when people stopped speaking it, but priests probably still knew because of everything was written in English. Right. So there it is. After the fall of Rome in 476 AD, Latin began to die out and distinct local Latin dialects developed. Wow. Wow.

So these dialects eventually evolved to modern Romance languages like Italian and Spanish, which is crazy. That means those languages are only 500 fucking years old. That's nuts. But if you see a movie about it, it was English with an English accent. Right. Yeah, of course. But isn't it crazy that those languages, like Italian, is only like 500 years old? Who the fuck would have guessed that? And there's a lot of similarities between Spanish and Italian as well. Oh, yeah. They all...

Texas is way bigger than all those places, which is nuts. When you look at America, it's basically like Europe, but we don't call it different countries. But Kentucky is so much different than Los Angeles. It'd be 1,500 years old, not 500. Oh, that's right. Duh. 20. None of us caught that either. You're just seeing it and saying it. Okay. So I'm sorry. 1,500 years. Still, languages developing that. You would think they were older than that.

Did you guys ever watch, and I watched it more than once. I watched it at least a few times, the series Rome on HBO. I have the box set. I haven't seen it. I think it's only two seasons, but it's very good. They crammed it into two seasons. They said the budget was high. The budget was super high at the time.

And it is a fucking great series. It is very good. Pooleo? Oh, they're badass. Oh, my God. What a great show. That guy's real. Such a great show. Who they based it on. They based it on a real dude. Watch this. It holds up. I never heard anything about it. You should watch this. Is his name Ray Stevenson? I highly recommend it. I think he played the Punisher, too, and all the actors. Ray Stevenson, he was Pooleo in this. That's what put him on. And the other guy, Lucius, is phenomenal. I want to say that Lucius...

Maybe they based that on a real guy. Listen, it is so great. And even if you go into YouTube and watch Lucius and Titus just being badass or Titus Pulio being badass, it's just, oh, my God. It was a good series. Such a great series. No shit. I can't recommend it enough. I've never heard anything about it. That's amazing. Good. I need something new to watch. I just finished The Peaky Blinders.

Yeah, you go through this. This is only two seasons, and again, I revisit it a lot. Have you been to Rome? No, no. Me and my wife, she's waiting for my stomach to get better. I go, we might as well just fucking go and put a cork up my ass, because I'm not going to. Just go. Just go while you can. And I heard you can eat the food over there, and it's not as bad for you.

Not neither. It's way better. Well, we've got some weird shit going on with our food. That's for sure. You can eat pasta over there. You feel normal. No, I definitely need to go. You feel fine. We're going to go. They don't have poison in their foods over there. It's nice. We, you know, Fruit Loops in America are different than Fruit Loops in fucking Canada. Because we allow all the dirty dyes. We allow all those funky dyes that are horrible for you. And European countries are like, no, that shit's poison. We're like, give it to the kids. Right.

Give the babies the poison.

Loaded with sugar. Loaded with sugar. But we never know. When we were kids, nobody ever told you. Sugar just all it did was rot your teeth. No big deal. That's what it felt like. Yeah, you didn't think it was going to kill you. I grew up on that shit. All of it. I just take Frosted Freaks and put sugar on top of it. Remember those days? You get down to the bottom and have milk. And if I had no milk, I had Kool-Aid in there to add to my sugar. Water in it.

I remember Travis Luter. Some guys are like too smart for their own good. I remember I'm eating raisins in there and he's eating fucking Kit Kats and shit. Oh, yeah. He's like, sugar, sugar. I don't think it works like that. I'm far from a fucking nutritionist, but I don't think, you know, because I don't like these fucking raisins. There is something to be said for drinking things that have a high sugar content after hard training. That's fact. And you know who used to do that?

Floyd Mayweather Floyd Mayweather used to be having these crazy workouts and he would crack open a Pepsi and people were like what the fuck is he doing like he's crazy but no he's not he's smart like you as hard as that guy worked out it replenishes your muscle glycogen right away you're getting that muscle glycogen in a crazy way that you're really not going to get any other way like I don't recommend drinking soda

I like it. It's fun. I like to drink a soda every now and then, a real one. But he used to drink it after training. Well, that's what Paul Felder does after a long bike ride. Yeah. He would talk about drinking a soda. Yeah, the best times to do it are, like they say, either when you wake up just because you're fasted or after a big workout. They're the safest times to do that. Yeah, I mean, he's there drinking a Coke. And you would think, like, there's no way this guy, he treats his body like a temple. But he does. He's smart.

That guy did it the right way. Never drank. Yeah. Never partied. Never was out of shape. Never got fat. Would run home from the club at 2 o'clock in the morning. In his jeans. Yeah, just... Just fucking getting in work. Boy, he's riding a car behind him. Never out of shape. Yeah. He got to see all the mistakes. Yeah. And he's like, I'm not making any of these. Yeah, he was built different, too. Smarter. Yeah, smarter than everybody else. And also figured out, I can't knock everybody out, but I can get everybody to want me to get knocked out.

And so people come to see me get knocked down, I beat everybody. That's right. I mean, he's definitely the greatest defensive fighter of all time. Of all time. If boxing is hit and don't get hit, who's better than Floyd? Zero people.

How many people cracked him in his career? Moseley. Yeah. Shane cracked him. I mean, Chop Chop, Demarcus Corley cracked him. Cracked him once. And then- Conor McGregor. Homeboy from Argentina. Homeboy from Argentina. Maidana. Yeah.

Yeah, my Donna. My Donna. The first my Donna fight was pretty amazing. My Donna knocked his tooth out and then would carry it around on a necklace. My Donna has Floyd Mayweather's tooth. Does he really? Show it, Jamie. My Donna has Floyd Mayweather's tooth. I did not know that.

Like on a gold necklace. A lot of people thought Maidana won the first one. But think about that. He definitely cracked him at the end of that round and wobbled him. And then it was right at the bell. And so then Floyd got back on his bike and started outboxing him. But Maidana, see, there it is. There's his tooth. See, there it is. He's got it knocked out. And he keeps it around his neck. He keeps it around his fucking neck. Think about how good defensively you have to be.

That we can count how many times you've been cracked. Amazing. Yeah. Amazing. But also could recover. Yeah, for sure. He just had a lot of hand injuries. How did he find his tooth in that motherfucker? So he's like probably telling his corner guy, get that motherfucker in there. I want a necklace. You can see it in the fight. It flies out of his mouth. And one of the corner men saw it and grabbed it. Damn. Yeah. That's great. Great.

That's hilarious. That's funny. We need that. That's a souvenir. That second fight, Floyd got the ring bigger, and he just destroyed him in the second one because he had more room to run. The first one, Maidana was getting him on the ropes, getting him on the ropes, and beating him up. Well, if you're going to have a rematch with a master technician, he's going to figure out all your little things. Yeah, yeah. He's the shot caller. Did you see Superlek in 1FC?

I didn't see that. No. What is that? Dude, Superlek is this badass Muay Thai fighter. And he fought Jonathan Haggerty, who was the champion. Was that when he hit him with the elbow? Yeah. Yeah, I heard about that. But I saw an interesting breakdown. Here it is. So Haggerty, look at this. He caught him with that overtop elbow, like real quick in the fight. I think it was like 40 seconds. Look at that. Beautiful KO.

So they had a real good fight in the first fight. It was six years ago and Hagerty became the champion and everybody thought, you know, like this is going to be much, much different fight. But what I saw that was interesting was someone broke down, uh,

There was a video breakdown of his tells that Hagerty has a certain hop, hop, and then he goes in. And then Superlek had timed it, and he tried it earlier in the round and didn't catch it. And in this one, look at this. Perfect timing. Gets his head off the center line. Oh, my God. Perfect elbow.

This is the thing that I love that 1FC is doing. I don't love what they did to Mikey Moose Imagine. But what I love what they're doing is they're having world-class Muay Thai fighters, and they're putting them in these giant cards where tens of thousands of people can see them. It's on Amazon. So millions of people are going to see it around the world on Amazon, and it's on the internet. So all these people are going to be able to see it on YouTube.

And it's exposing people to these guys that are just like super high level strikers that you're not going to hear about. 200 fights. Rod Tang. Who would have heard of Rod Tang if it wasn't for one? For sure. Right now, everybody knows who he is. That fucking elbow reminded me. It just brought me back to Wyman versus Mark Muniz.

Oh, my God. That's the fucking elbow. Exactly. That's the fucking elbow. Exactly. And that fight, I think, would inspire Chris Padilla to use the elbow against Ron Zu over the weekend. Really? Yeah, and busted his eye wide open. They stopped the fight because of that. That's interesting. Watch this. This one's incredible. This is Prime Weidman. Oh, my goodness. The timing on that. He was out already, man. Dude, Prime Weidman was a motherfucker, dude. 100%. He was a motherfucker. Look at his elbow.

Oh, my God. Phenomenal. So clean. Phenomenal. Ready? Bang, Weidman. The timing. Good one. Yeah, Chris. He's fighting Anders soon. Eric Anders. Yeah, Eric Anders. Yeah. When is that? When is that? That's in Madison Square Garden. It is in Madison Square Garden. It's November 16th. Ooh, that's a crazy fight. Yeah, I don't see... Chris is in South Carolina now. We don't see him so much. South Carolina Chris now. We don't see him so much.

Is he training with Wonderboy? Who's he training with down there? Does he live down there? He's got like his own people with like Brian Barberina and those guys. He's got a bunch of nice guys with him. They got a decent little squad down there from what I hear. Well, he was throwing kicks in the last fight. Yeah. He was throwing hard kicks with that right leg. I can't watch it. It's crazy. I can't watch it. But it seemed like he was trying to prove a point. Like, I'm going to fucking throw these things. Yeah.

He's such a beast, Chris White. That last fight was a bummer, though. The eye poke thing was a real bummer. It kind of made it... It took away from it a little bit. It was a bummer. I keep saying it, but I feel like they should cover those fingertips. There's no reason why they're exposed. It doesn't make any sense. Do it like a bad glove. Cover it like a bad glove.

I mean, I just don't understand why, like how they thought this was going to solve the problem. They were like, new gloves. And our guys are still getting poked in the eye. Yeah. It's still the same setup. Yeah. You know, if you really want, like, I feel like for, if you're going to have the fingerless ones, Trevor witness, Trevor Whitman's are the best.

They're the best. They curve down, right? They curve hard. But your hands stay in this position. You have to struggle to do this. Right. Your hand naturally goes in this position. The UFC gloves are still like this. Yeah. How did they think that was going to be the answer? You've got to cover the fingers. There's no reason to not cover the fingers like a bad glove. Just have a piece of leather that goes over the fingertips. So you have one thing. It's not going to invade your grappling. It's not going to change your striking. It's not going to change anything. Put a piece of elastic in there. Yeah. Just keep it closed.

And this way, at least if you get poked in the eye, you're getting a blunt thing like this. You're not getting something that goes into your eyeball, right? So have them all covered with something like that and have like a ridge over the top of it, like a soft foam ridge. So even if you're getting poked in the eyes, you're not getting an individual thing going deep into your eyeball with a fingernail, which is what people get right now. You get fucking fingernails. Yeah, dirt.

Dirty-ass fingernail in your eyeball. Even if you trim your nails, like my nails are trimmed, I wouldn't want that in my asshole. Oh, let me look at me today. Imagine if that's in your asshole? Yeah. Scratching around inside your asshole? Right? When your eyeball is just soft tissue, man. Yeah, that's worse than little Ant-Man. That's what I'm saying. My head went straight there. Of course. That's where I was going with it. It's like soft tissue in your eyeballs is the scariest soft tissue. We're allowing fingernails to go in there for no reason. You could fix that.

You really could fix that by just covering the tips of the fingertips. I think you should just use Trevor Whitman's glove. Trevor Whitman's glove is the best. I do, too. You're always going to have thumbs. You remember Roberto Duran and Davey Moore? Yeah, yeah. He thumbed them right in the eyeball. Dean Thomas, do you want them to use the Trevor Whitman gloves because you feel bad about taking his fucking job? What? Listen, I can't help that. You motherfucker! No, no, no, no, no.

He left the job so he could work on them gloves. So you might as well give him the love for that. Charlie Whitman has the best gloves. Yeah. He has the best training gloves. He has the best bag gloves. All his equipment is top tier. He uses the best materials. The foam he uses is very different. It's like super high-tech density foam. It feels better when you're hitting things. I think it would protect people from hand injuries better. Yeah. So they should talk to him. They did.

He apparently wanted some crazy amount of money that the UFC wasn't willing to give him. Trevor! Trevor! That's the UFC's perspective. I don't know what Trevor... I love Trevor, but I'm a big fan of his stuff. If it was up to me, I would figure out a way to make that work. Yeah, for sure. But, you know, apparently he wanted something cool.

Something crazy. Yeah. Not only that, Dean Thomas has your fucking other job now. So that's why. Dean, you do a good job with that. Yeah, you do. Thank you very much. Nobody dresses better. Yeah, listen. How do you plan that out, Scott? I got to, man, because I'm working with y'all. You know what I'm saying? That's Joe Rogan, D.C. I got to have my own thing. But you do have a flair. You got your own Dean Thomas flair. Yeah, I got to show up somehow. Always show up. Yeah.

Hey, there's some good fights on this card this weekend. Oh, I know. Bahamundes is a bad motherfucker. He is a bad motherfucker. That's a bad motherfucker. Bahamundes, yeah. That's an interesting fight on the undercard. Let's see. He's fighting Manuel Torres, who's also good. Yeah. That's a good fight, man. That's a real good fight. That's one of them under-the-radar fights. They put people in here to like the throw. This card is people like the throw. Who did Manuel Torres fight his last fight? He beat the hell out of somebody last time. He did.

Baja Mondays throws some wild shit. Oh, yeah, Chris Duncan. Yeah, he busted Chris Duncan. Yeah. That's going to be an interesting fight. But for me, scroll all the way up to the top, Jamie. Oh, yeah.

No, no, no, the end of the card. I'm very, very interested in the rematch of Alexa Grasso and Valentina. Yes, me too. I felt like Valentina did enough to get the nod in the second fight. I did too. I felt like she, and some judge gave the last round to Alexa Grasso 10-8. Yeah, two points. Which I thought was kind of crazy.

Well, you know why, right? Yeah, she had her in a choke. Because he had her in a choke, and he was just kind of biased from the first choke. Right. So he thought that was close enough. It was kind of close, but it wasn't, you know, I mean, it means something. If you're going to do that, you should do that all the time. Anytime someone gets you in a choke and you defend, that's a 10-9 already. You already got a 10-9. Anything more than that, now it's 10-8. You know, like boxing with knockdowns.

downs. The scoring is too subjective. 10-8 round is more like when Al Jermaine had Jan on his back the entire round threatening, you know what I'm saying? Smashing him. Getting there at the end of the round doesn't earn you two points. Right. A 10-8 is a dominant round. You dominated the whole round. And I don't even, did they give Al Jermaine two points? I don't even think he got 10-8 for that. All I know is poor Al Jermaine didn't get the respect he deserves after that Calvin Cato fight, which was a

fucking beautiful. It was on a fight. Masterpiece. It was a great fight. I think Aljo is just a 45er who was a bad motherfucker at 35, but I think we're going to see the real Aljo at 45. I think so, too. I think he's going to beat old boy in a couple weeks, too. He's so big, man. I saw him in between fights once. He's going to beat Mofsar in a couple weeks. Interesting fight. High-level grappling. Very high-level. When he got Sanhagen's back, bro, that was the quick

Hell yeah. That rear naked choke of his is about as good as it gets in MMA right now. These top three fights are all bangers. But Diego Lopez and Ortega is going to be crazy. That's going to be fucking crazy. How do you think Ortega, like what happened to Ortega last time where he pulled out? Like something was up with him? Supposedly he probably cut weight or something. Yeah, he got something real bad.

Oh, yeah, he got real real I do it. I got real because they made that fight on like I said It was a three-week notice fight Good the day of the weigh-ins, you know, I see the interviews with the fighters I did an interview with him and he was like he just looked tired Yeah, I think he just I mean he didn't make weight that fight either remember it was a way it was a medical with yeah So he missed a weight and then on top of that like they changed the weight class then on top of that He never makes it to the fight. He was sick. I

It's going to be a wild fight. And Diego Lopez is a fucking assassin. Zell Huber is an assassin, too. I was getting ready to say that. That's going to be another banger. Who do you like on that one? I heard old Cejudo talking about Ribovic apparently trains at his gym. Ribovic is good, man. He's very good. This is a very fun fight. Very fun fight. There's a lot of under-the-radar fights on this card.

I think it's going to live up to it. I mean, they got a lot of hype on the sphere. And like the names may not be there, but all these guys are bangers. Here's the question. Do they, you know how they show like on the big screens, you get to see the fights. If you're in the stands, like so you could see things that maybe you don't see. Are they going to have it on the whole ceiling? I don't think. Are they looking up and seeing shit? You know, like that? I think they should. So I've been, I was at the Apex all week last week. And like, it's so secretive.

I think they should have the fight on the whole ceiling and then everybody would not know where to fuck to look. They'd be getting knockouts and people wouldn't even be looking at them. It's way cooler to see if it's only going to do it once. Have the shit on the ceiling. Is there going to be two production trucks? People at home aren't going to be seeing the whole visual because it's produced for... Apparently they hired another director. It's like

Like it's just been like crazy. If they're smart, which they are, they should make some kind of documentary or something about the making of this shit. Oh, they probably are. You know what I mean? And so people get to try to see what was going on inside of there that weren't able to get tickets. I think there's six mini movies that play about the history of combat sports in Mexico. They said that. They said something like that. Yeah. That's crazy. Crazy. They spent $20 million on this fucking place. Yeah, I've heard. It's nuts. I think what the original budget was $10 million.

And they just went over? So Sean O'Malley and Merab is a perfect fight for it. Oh, yeah. I know that neither one of them is Mexican, but let that go for a little bit. Mexico, they adopted Merab. It's true. He fights like a Mexican. He fights like a Mexican.

He really does. God damn, that guy's gas tank is terrifying. He's terrifying because that's a guy that if you empty out early on Marab, you got real problems. He's got a chin on him. He survives. Apparently so. The Marlin fight was nuts, man. Yeah.

And the second half of the round he got dropped in, he beat him to death. Beat him to death. I know. He almost stopped him in that round. That's why the second round happened how it did. He just beat... He took it out of him in the first round. Yeah, but Rob is an animal. But Marais was like a frontrunner like no other. No, you're right. That first round with Henry Cejudo, I thought Henry Cejudo was going to sleep. Yeah, right. Dude, when...

When Marlon was in his prime, when he knocked out Aljo with that switch kick. Yeah, that was crazy. Bro, he was terrifying. People forgot how good Marlon was. He was good. But he was just too big for the weight class, too. He was another guy. There's no way that was healthy. Right. He was so big for 35 and just shred.

Explosive magic. He had that Mickey Mouse voice to go with it. The little fire plug with that little voice. What Marlon had that was so tricky was that left high kick off the front leg. He caught a lot of people. He did it so slick. It was so fast. Yeah. He was explosive. He was accurate. He was well-rounded, but he did the gas tank, I think, maybe from making the weight or whatever. It had to do with, there was some psychological aspects to it, too, I think.

There was like something when he was the nail, it wasn't as, you know, he just didn't stand up. He wasn't like Merab. Like Merab finds a fucking, ah! There's a Georgia memory in there of some fucking street fight with a goat. He's got Randy's back. There's some deep memory of some fucking chaotic thing on a mountain that happened that's in his brain forever. You know, you got Sean O'Malley saying that he has...

Sean O'Malley says he has no loss as he points out that Cheeto Vera thing that it's a fluke. If you look at Merab's record, that fight with Frankie Size was a fucking, I don't say it often, it's a fucking robbery if you watch that. And he was just getting over fucking, what do you have?

Not in the moment. He had lingering effects of something. And he still went through that fight. I don't give a fuck. Watch that fight. He won that fight. And then the other one with Simone, Ricky Simone, it was controversial because he was in the choke.

And that round ended. And then he was like half in, half out. And they're like, oh, he's out. And then so it was a weird. I haven't seen that. Let me see that. Ricky Simone, Rob. I forgot about that fight. He's shaking to the end of it. And then when it's end of it, it's like out. But in and out. So it's like it was a weird. But he made it to the belt. Well, that's Yan Xiaonan against Zhang Weili. Remember? At the end of the round, she was out cold. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. She got so unconscious. And then they woke her up. And she's like, okay.

He sat down and threw an ice on her and water. He was in Carlos Newton. But he won because he was the first guy to wake up. So here it is. Ricky Simone gets him in a guillotine. And he's the very end. Oh, my God, that's so nasty. Look how nasty that is. It's on, too. That's so tight. That's so tight. He's out. He's out right there. He's out. The arm's hanging. But he doesn't stop. The left doesn't stop. He's still there. He's still shaking. Okay. So he's hanging in there.

He's hanging in there. But where's the second slip? He's not tapping. God damn, that guy's got willpower, huh? For real. Look at him. He's not tapping. He's not defending with his arms either. This is crazy. He's not even defending with his arms. He's just using his neck. He's gave him the thumbs up. Yeah. Ten seconds. He's still moving his legs. I mean, that's... The horn! The horn!

But now he's like... He's breathing. Yeah, what the fuck? They stopped the fight. No, no, no, no. You can't say he's out there. That's what I'm saying. You can't say he's out there. Rest in peace, Dr. Sherry. Right. That was the team doc. Dr. Walken.

Yeah, that's kind of crazy. That's fucked up. You stopped the fight after the fight was over? Yeah. After the round was over, they decided he was out. Yeah. So, I mean, so look, you could look at his record and say he got defeated. But he protested immediately. Yeah. He was just laying there with his eyes open. And it looked like he was out because he was fucking exhausted. Yeah, like he could be like, all right, yeah. That's like a sign of relief. Look, there's no way he would have known if the guy says it's over and he immediately protests. There's no way he could have known to protest if he wasn't awake. Yeah.

And who was the ref? I don't even recognize him. They fucked him in his. So it's like you could look at his record and be like, yo, this guy hasn't lost a fight. Yeah. There's some, you know, refs are human. That's a rough one, though. So it's like. It's a bad one. And if you look at the fight before that, that's the robbery of Frankie Saiz. So you could literally look at this guy and say he never lost. I mean, if you want to really. Well, I think all these moments of adversity just strengthened his resolve anyway. Oh, yeah. Because the guy's a monster now.

The Henry Cejudo fight was so crazy. When he was carrying Henry Cejudo like a little kid with his tongue hanging out, I was like, this is mad. It was kind of embarrassing. I felt bad for Henry. But he's doing it to Henry Cejudo. He wasn't just doing it to some guy who didn't belong in the cage with him. He's doing it to a two-division world champion who's Olympic gold medalist in wrestling, and he's carrying around like a pillow.

And he walks over to Mark Zuckerberg. Yes. Mark Zuckerberg. And then he's talking shit while he's choking him. Talking shit while he's beating the fuck out of him. He was having a great old time. When he had him in that 10-finger guillotine, bro, that's a nasty spot. That's a nasty. I thought he was going to get him there with that. I'm like, that's a nasty choke.

Yeah, I think he's going to have his night. I think the craziest moment like that, though, was when Hamzat picked up the leech. Oh, yeah. Walked him over there. Give me title shots. I killed him off. He's like carrying him in the air. Just carrying him over to Dana. And he starts fucking him up right in front of Dana. That dude's wild.

Poor Leach, though. Leach can't get... I mean, they just feed him to everybody. Who did he just fight? Carlos Prates. And Carlos Prates put them hands on him. Smoking cigarettes in the locker room, fucking everybody up. He's dangerous. That striking was beautiful. He's good, man. He's very, very, very good.

That guy's scary. Where the fuck did he come from? There's so many of those guys. It's from the fighting nerds, man. There he is right here. Yeah, fighting nerds, man. They got a great team. But this guy, he's just a fucking killer, man. Carlos just knows how to put it on you. This knee to the body, man, was so nasty. Oh, see the knee to the body before that.

They didn't have that in that video. But he had them hurt before this. But he's just fucking accurate. Dude, he's all limbs, dude. Oh, look at that. He's got your belt like mosquitoes. I hate those daddy long legs, motherfuckers. All legs and arms. Yeah. Yeah. There's some good fighters coming up, man. These kids that are coming up, they come into the cage so much better than guys just five years ago. I know. So much better. Well, they're getting so much help from the UFC prior. Right.

You know like especially like if you have like the PI behind you like like a Mexicoder like sponsoring these guys There's so many videos to watch now. Yeah, that's a big factor Because like when you were coming up you had VHS tapes. What the fuck you gonna? Nobody got chance to see anything you didn't really get unless you saw them in your gym you didn't get a chance to see like real high-level stuff and

And now, guys, they have a standard in their head that's way higher than everybody's standard from 10, 15 years ago. It is true. Yeah, no doubt about that. These guys just come in so well-rounded. And plus, they start so much younger. Oh, yeah. That's a factor. And kids, you know, the UFC has boosted, you know, wrestling in high schools and junior leagues and things. So they're just more complete. Like, they're growing up now complete martial artists, you know. There's no secrets anymore.

I remember back in the day, we'd be like, it's a new move. Don't show anybody. Still, the calf kick's only a few years old. That's what's... Bisping said he went his whole career without getting kicked in the calf. Me too. Thank God. Crazy. I'm glad that wasn't around back then. How the fuck did everybody miss that?

I know, right? Benson Henderson used to throw it. He did. Weird, but he never had the kind of results that these guys are having. It's different. Where did it come from? Well, it's Muay Thai. Is it part of Muay Thai? They've always done it. It just wasn't done that often because guys check it. I never noticed. And if they check it and they turn out and you catch it on your foot. I think they do it a lot more in Muay Thai now, though. Even in Muay Thai? Yeah, I think everybody just sees what's going on. You see it in one a lot. In Glory, you see it now a lot more.

Guys throw on it a lot, man. It's so effective. You know what's weird? In karate combat, you can't throw it to the thigh. It has to be a calf kick. That's ridiculous. Yeah. It's weird to me. I'm like, what? It has to be a calf kick? That's really ridiculous. What do you mean you can't throw it to the thigh? It's illegal to kick above the knee in karate combat. That's ridiculous. That's silly. What's the matter with that? That's the whole point of karate.

Yeah, that literally makes no sense. Yeah. Because what about Kyokushin? What about ones where they kick the legs all the time? That's karate too. Not sure why. You know, take out some of the best karate from karate? Not sure why that's a rule, but that's a rule. But you can ground and pound for like 10 seconds or something crazy? You ground and pound until you stop. Oh. Yeah, you can ground and pound until you stop. And then they break it up. But you can't leg kick. Right, but you can't kick to the thigh. That seems crazy. Yeah. That doesn't make sense. What's your feeling on that side kick to the knee?

Like what Khalil did to Modestus? Hate it. No, I don't hate it. I love it. I hate it. You hate it? Yeah. I think it does nothing but damage a fighter. Like people say, oh, you can knee bar. Well, you can tap to a knee bar. You can't tap to that kick. And if the kick lands, you're done. You can't tap to a head kick either. I mean, whatever. You go to sleep, you go to sleep. That's different to me. But some head kicks are probably worse than getting knee kicked. You know, I mean, Leon Edwards and Kamaru.

If you ask him, R.O., would you rather take a shot to the knee or that shot to the head? He might take a shot to the knee. I mean, you got to defend it, right? If you hit on time like Khalil did, I think I'd rather get kicked in my head. That one was horrific. It's horrible to watch, but you got to defend it. It's not like you can't defend it. You got to defend it. You remember when Darren Till started using it on everybody? He was one of the first guys to start using it on everybody. Jon Jones, of course. Jon Jones is the guy with it. He's so long.

That's a shitty one to get... I mean, you can't really... You can't use that full force in sparring. Like, there's no intention otherwise. Well, in sparring, you can't do that. No, you definitely can't. You can't do that in sparring. You'd be taking out your opponent's knees. I've had guys tell me that they were sparring with guys they didn't know and they did shit like that to them. Sidekicks to the knees. They're like, what the fuck are we doing? Now it's a real fight. Now you're making a street fight. In a sparring match, a guy was telling me about the ATT. They bring in some crazy Russians who are sidekicking your knees. I mean, not only that, but they was doing, like, spinning wheel kicks to the...

to the head with just hitting you with the heel and I'm like yo what are you doing that's crazy that's crazy that's so hard if you're in a high level sparring match with a guy where it's like you're getting emotional and then you throw a spinning kick it's so hard to slap him with the foot it's so hard to decide to use the foot you wear shin pads for a reason to protect but then you're doing a spinning kick where there's no protection well that's why gloves are nuts

Right? Because you can knee somebody in the face. You can elbow them in the face. You can shin them in the fucking skull. Right. But your knuckles are covered. God forbid. It's kind of crazy. Yeah. It's kind of crazy. It's kind of crazy. I never once sparred with the new... I mean, they came later on, like the...

The gloves that you could... They're not quite... They're not the boxing gloves. They're bigger MMA gloves. The MMA gloves that guys spar in. I always use the 16-ounce gloves because I want to be able to fucking throw. And I grapple in them. But then I get in. I get under the butt. You obviously can't make it...

a grip, but then it's that much easier when I can make a grip. So like I get in, I'd lose it, but it would help my endurance. And when I'm able to make grips, I'm like, ah, when they had the new gloves and people are fucking around with them, I'm like, yeah, but now we got to just, now we're playing. I, I, I didn't have the luxury. I'm fucking five, six. I have to triple jab in and fight. Like I can't play by just, I have to have to throw. So I couldn't throw like, like realistically with those little gloves. Right. So when I see sometimes there's some people sparring, I had one of my girls sparring and

And this girl, Lauren, and she brought in another girl, and they were doing it with those gloves. I go, look, next time you want me to watch this shit, you're playing right now. I'm not going to be telling you to fucking do certain things and throw certain things. It's playing. You're playing. It's okay to play. I like to grapple in them, but we have to fight. So, I mean, you know, put on some bigger gloves. We did the same thing. Do you think that there's a time in a fighter's career where they don't have to spar? Is there ever a time where they don't have to spar hard?

If they clock in enough hours, like I guess like Max Holloway, whoever else, like possibly. But even Holloway, when he's getting ready for Gaethje, decided to spar. You have to simulate the fight as much as possible because you don't want to feel that for the first time in there. So the reason we used to really spar. I was watching Izzy's fight with Drekus. And the thing about that fight is that it looks like at the end Izzy's very tired.

You know, and he gets clocked, like Drikus catches him with some of those winging punches, which he was getting away from in the earlier rounds. And he catches him, rocks him, and then he hits him with a couple more right hands against the cage, and then immediately gets him in a choke when he goes to the ground. And then Izzy taps. And...

I always wonder, because that school of thought of like the Mar Marinovich school of thought when BJ was in his prime was those guys were just doing wild plyometrics and cardio, and that's it. They just like, you know how to fight. We're just going to give you the most fucking insane gas tank you've ever had in your career. And if you can get through this crazy camp of doing box jumps and plyometrics and those fucking –

All those things they were doing with their feet. Throwing them with their feet in their hands. Merenovich's system is wild. Wild shit. And Nick Curzon, who I talked about, he's trained under him. He's doing it now. They have this philosophy that a fighter, like a guy like you or a guy like you, you have so many fights, you know how to fight. You've been there, you've done it. What you really need to do for this camp, because you're getting ready for a fight, is not get injured and have a fucking insane gas tank. The flip side of that.

most recently, and it's not the same thing because the guy could be weathered a little bit. Who had that philosophy with Tony Ferguson? Goggins. Goggins put him... Now look... That's Tony Ferguson after Gaethje. But Goggins put him through a fucking cardio session. I think Tony Ferguson after Gaethje is a different human being. Yeah, he's been compromised.

And I like David Goggins, but I don't think he should have been in the corner. I mean, you got him in the corner yelling from the stand. I'm not shitting on Goggins. I like all the shit. But he's in the corner going, get up, Tony. It's like it's one of those things where it's like, you know, no shit. Agreed. Agreed. Look, when it comes to willpower and when it comes to like discipline, there's no one like Goggins. Mm hmm. But.

That doesn't matter if you mount him and strangle him to death. It doesn't matter. All that, I fucking never quit. You're going to quit, bitch. I'm going to make your body quit. I'm going to make your body quit. I don't care what kind of will you have. I get behind you and put that in there. You're going to sleep. You're going to pee your pants. That's how it goes. You're a human being. You have neck muscles. You have veins that provide all that blood to your brain. I'm going to cut that off. And if...

You can't get all that he needs from a guy like that, but you can get something. You can get something. But Tony, at that time, was already on a long skid of multiple losses. The Chandler knockout. He gets front kicked in the face. And an epic KO loss. The Gaethje fight was horrific. And then you got to go before that. He blows his fucking knee out backstage. He was the boogeyman. We were going to see the boogeyman versus Khabib. It was the fight. Everybody was pumped. And then...

Al steps in on super short notice. Raging Al had a great fucking account of himself. Big time. It was a very good fight. Very good fight. Against Khabib in his prime. 24 hours. Khabib in his prime. Yeah. And didn't get finished. For five rounds. Yeah. Bro, I always wonder, man, if Tony Ferguson just doesn't step on those wires and we get to see that fight, my God. How? Yeah. Because that was Tony Ferguson when he was the fucking boogie.

When everybody was scared of him. Yeah, he was beating the fuck out of everybody who was the guy that left them wires there Hopefully they fired that guy cuz he ruined his he ruined history. There's always gonna be why? Fall back stay yes - right before the fight he fell and hit his head stepped on some like loose pipe pipe or something went up in the air banged his head got knocked out bleeding

Yeah, everybody's always going to be guessing, but even when he was in his prime, he fought Kevin Lee. Kevin Lee got him down, mounted him. But then he triangled him. He did triangle him, but Kevin Lee mounting, no offense to Kevin Lee, it's not like a beam on top of you. So, I mean, is he ever surviving that? You got to remember, Kevin Lee maybe didn't...

achieve his potential, but Kevin Lee choked out Chiesa. Remember that? Kevin Lee was a motherfucker on the ground, dude. He had his moments. He did have his moments. He had mad potential. Yeah. When he knocked out, what's his face, the wrestler? Oh, Gregor Gillespie. That's right, Gillespie. Oh, nice. That was a nice switch. Bro. Ended the hype train there. Kevin Lee was a fucking beast, man. He just was inconsistent and then had a bunch of knee injuries, like severe knee injuries. And that's the thing. A fighter's window is only open for so long.

So you got to try to maximize that. Do what you can when your window is open. Right. If you saw Fedor fight Ryan Bader, you can't judge Fedor on that. And we tend to do that. We always do. That's why I always say BJ. Because we judge BJ by the end of his career. It was like Tony Ferguson. I mean, I think Tony beat BJ's, it's not a good record to have, but as far as how many losses in a row. Yeah. Yeah.

So these guys got to throw these guys' names in Fight Pass, all these young kids, and see them in their glory days. Because that's when you should really watch them. Yeah. But that's the thing about fighters is like whatever that window is. They say it's nine years at your very best from your contender to your champion, whatever. When you're fucking redlining. Bam!

I think it's about five, really. I think it's shorter than nine. I think it's about five years where you're just like in it. Like you in it, let's get it right now. Anderson is prime. It's like five years of just destruction. And then afterwards, it's like, man, it's not. You ain't got it no more. Also injuries, you know, with Anderson. Injuries. Well, first it was Weidman. Weidman's left hook. Yep.

That was the start of it all. Yep. Wyman's left hook. Bro, that was crazy. Crazy. Real crazy. Same money landed on Uriah Hall. Remember? Yep. Oh, yeah. Before Uriah Hall was like the next big thing when he was in the Ultimate Fighter, Chris had fought him in New Jersey. Ring of Combat. Yep. Lou Neglia. Bro, he had a long left hook. Wyman's got that...

that extra foot to that hook. You know, it was a long hook. That was an awesome show. Like an extended arm hook at the end sometimes. Go, go Gadget. Yeah, it's a good hook, man, because the guys don't think it's going to be able to reach him and then all of a sudden it's there. Pop. I'm interested to see him in Eric Anders. It's going to be a war. Yeah, because Eric's a tough guy too. He's game. Yeah, Eric is game. But remember when he fought Khalil and didn't even flinch?

And Kirill was just blasting his legs. Talk about being tough enough to take a beating. Bro, I asked him about it. I was like, what was that like? He said, every one of them hurt. Every one of them hurt so bad. Good poker face, bro. He had the best poker face, man. He just took it. Yeah. Good fights coming up, kids. Some real good fights. Oh, fuck yeah. I can't wait. I love it. I love a Saturday when the fight... I hate when there's...

There's so many fights on every weekend that when there's not one on, I'm like, oh. You know what I'm looking forward to more than any?

Holloway and Teporia. Yeah. That's the one for me. When is that? That's October. That's Abu Dhabi, right? Yeah. That's the one, son. That's the one. That's the one for me. Because I see that fight, I go, I don't fucking know. I love a fight where I don't fucking know. I know. A lot of people would have counted out him on the Gaethje fight. Shit, I thought Gaethje was going to beat him. Insane. And now you're giving him a lot of time to prepare and get ready for this fight?

And then Hamzat and Whitaker. Is that going to happen? There's people. I don't know. Is that going to happen? You know, if he's not sick again. This is a nice fucking card, though. It's a great card. It is a good card. Jeff Neal and Rafael Dos Santos. I didn't know that was happening. Armin Petrosian and Maga Medoff. Ooh. Yeah, that's some good fights on that card. They bust out.

Anybody who celebrates Ramadan on that card. Yeah. Get in there. Get in there. Go on, bro. That main event is so unpredictable. Like...

Toporia, everybody he hits goes night-night. I know. Everybody he hits, he's fucking... Max is hard to hit. Very hard. And Max got a chin on him, too. Max got a chin. And he's got a gas tank. And Max got that new sneaky spinning back kick while he's stepping away. It was working, right? That might have been a game-changer, man. Bro, it's a game-changer. That landed at the end of that first round. Yep. Smashed the nose. That could change the fight. Change the fight. Change the fight. Change the fight. And it was a skill that he really didn't use a lot earlier in his career. Yeah, I know. And he had it all of a sudden dialed in. Whap!

Crazy and it was a hard one to do because he's moving away It's like a hop away spin to the face and talk about a hero fucking ending to that fuck I don't think there's another fight that ended you wouldn't believe that if it was in a movie right shut up, right? Clearly ahead he fucking takes that chance of clearly yeah with a guy, you know throws hammers. Yeah

And he's been dropped in that fight already. Right. He got dropped. The way he ended with him face planted. Oh, it's just stuff of legends. And the fact that it's for the BMF belt, what a perfect fight for the BMF belt. That's a real BMF belt. That's the perfect fight. 100%. And it's crazy because I'm sitting right behind you guys and I'm watching you guys as natural reactions. It's such a natural reaction to...

And I know you guys take a lot of shit and they make memes about you guys, but watching you do it in those moments is the best thing ever. You don't even know what's happening. Yeah. I think that was the first fight I ever stood up. I got out of my chair. I couldn't take it. I literally couldn't take it. I couldn't take it. I can't be sitting down. I had to stand up.

Anik too. Anik doesn't stand up very often either, I don't think. I couldn't sit down. I was like, I can't believe I just saw that. I can't believe that was real. And then when Max is walking around going, rah!

Fucking wild, man. That was wild. Max would be giving us some moments, right? Oh, my God. He might be my all-time favorite fighter. Myself and Dean Thomas were there. Not a lot of people were there live. I think it was in Abu Dhabi. When he's in a calvacator and he's looking away, he's like, I'm the best boxer. He takes him in the face. I still gave him the second fight with Volkanovski. So you go back and think, imagine if he wins and then he doesn't go through this skid.

You know, and you see, oh, the Calvin Cater fight was brutal. He changed Calvin Cater's career. I'm the best boxer. Yeah. He changed Calvin Cater's career in that fight. That was a bad beating. It was a bad beating. And it was kind of. Should have never talked shit to him. And this is the apex, right? No, this is Abu Dhabi. Oh, that's right. But no audience, right? That's why. Boom, that's it. Look at that. He's not even looking at him and avoiding all the punches. I'm the best boxer.

The other thing about Max, too, is that fucking gas tank. That gas tank is a weapon. It's a weapon. It's a weapon, man. The volume in the gas tank. It's a weapon. It's wild. And that power's legit, too. Max seems to be even more powerful at 55 than he is at 45. That's what I thought. But my question is, does he maintain that when he gets down to 45? How hard's that cut?

He's got plenty of time to kind of time it out. So I think it's going to help him. I hope so. I would not want to see him drained at all if he's fighting Ilya. Because Ilya will expose you. Has he? No, his hands. I know. You see the video of him hitting in mitts?

I saw his, even his brother hit like that. Really? I watched his brother hit mitts and I was like, God damn. Bro, he hits mitts like a world champion boxer. Yeah. I was going to say, we haven't seen the other guy tested, uh, Ilya, but then again, he got, he got kicked and he came back like a fucking beast.

He did. That's something to say. And stopped him in the next round. Yeah. Yeah. But Ilya's hands are some of the most impressive hands in the sport. No fat in his technique. No wasted movements, man. Well, then we'll see who's the best boxer. I was getting ready to say you're going to find out. This is good, Jamie, but there's a video that's like recently on his Instagram that's fucking insane because he's going full clip trying to show off. And you get to really, like he's working here. It's all good. But see if you can find the clip that's on his Instagram page.

His Instagram has an insane video of him just cracking mints. We played it on the podcast the other day, remember? I just didn't know. Yeah, that's it right there. Give me some volume so you can hear this shit. Bro. Yeah, that's clean. Crispy. Clean.

Everything. No wasted motion. But here's the thing with Max is Max's movement. Max ain't going to be there for that. Max can't be there for that. Tall as fuck. Yeah. And if Max can catch him and hurt him the way Jai Herbert did, you know, something sneaky. And you know Max is prepping, right? He's watching that guy like a hawk. Does Volkanovski have anything else on the radar? No. No.

I think they're waiting to see what happens. Poor Volk. I mean, that person. You'd like to see him rest a little bit anyway. I would 100% want to see him rest a lot. I think after those two. He should have never taken a 10 days notice fight with Islam. Never. Never, never, never, never. Don't do it. I don't care how much it's tempting. And then immediately three months later, he fights Topuria? After he gets KO'd with a head kick? That seems crazy. I mean, as soon as I saw that fight, I was like, ah.

Are you kidding me, man? There's no way he's going to be recovered. He was probably, you know, before that, he probably felt like, you know, I felt it before. I felt it. I've seen what's coming.

You know, he took a risk. Look, I don't begrudge him for taking that shot. I think the second fight was even the bigger mistake because you had just been flatlined, and now you've got to cut back down and go back out there on such short notice. Right, but no other sport would want a champion to go in there and fight for a title with 10 days' notice. They would never ask you to do that anywhere else. That would never happen in boxing. It's never going to happen in a million years in boxing. Right, for sure. Never. And it shouldn't.

They take advantage of MMA guys because they know we crazy. Right. That's part of it. Plus, all the fighters are still under your control, under contract. It's a bit of a problem. That's a bit of a problem. But also, Volkanovski could have...

He had the choice. He's a warrior. He's a savage. He's going to go do it. Yeah, he's a savage. We crazy. We crazy. In hindsight, it was a bad idea, but in his mind, he's thinking, this is an opportunity for me to become a legend. Yeah, of course. Hindsight's always 20-20. Trying to build his legacy. Of course. And look...

That's what Aspinall did and he won the title. Right, exactly. So had that been different for Aspinall, we'd have been like, oh, he shouldn't have took that fight. Exactly. Pavlov, that guy's an animal. Yeah. How's he fighting Pavlich with fucking... What did he have? How many days notice did he have? It was like seven days. Seven days notice. And a fucked up rib. Couldn't wrestle. Yeah. It's a wild sport. It's like sometimes guys step in on short notice and it's exciting and they win. So it's like...

The key is like never get out of shape. Yeah. And I think with Volkanovski, he was drinking a lot. That was probably more. I mean, you saw physically how he looked for the second. He looked different. Yeah. And he always looks like a tank. It was dad bod instead of him, you know, looking right. I would never take it back in the day too. I, I need my camp. I'm not going to, I would never, cause you peak at the right, you should be peaking at the right time. So you can say when people like, well,

Well, you should always be fight ready. But yeah, but that's, that's easy. I said that done. You could always be in shape, but that's not fight shape. And you don't know that until you're fucking back into sparring. And then you're like, I still had abs, but holy fuck. I think if you're always about four weeks out, like that's probably about the right. Right. And you get 10 days notice. You might be able to pull it out. You might be able to pull that out. And if you maintain a respectable level of cardio, but with your Volk and your drinking cheeseburgers. Not again, not a good idea. And then you got to lose all that fight.

Yeah, I can't nice to be a fatty between shit - When you're staying away from the pizza pasta for two months you like well everybody says that they develop an eating disorder How about patty? Yeah, that's bad. He's the baddie. That's a real eating disorder. Oh, yeah, he gets huge He gained 40 pounds in a week. God damn. Oh

What about when he's retired eventually? He's going to be Butterbean. He already beat right between fights. It's crazy. Butterbean with that crazy hair. That's him. He does it proudly, too. He don't give a fuck. That Bobby Green fight was a big deal. That was a big deal. That was about as...

That was a big deal. The way he did that was beautiful, man. Kicked him at kicking range. And I didn't expect Bobby to shoot, but the second he did, Patty's got nice jiu-jitsu. Very sharp off his back. And the other thing was you notice how big he looked, because Bobby's big. Bobby's not a small 55er. And you realize, damn, you might underestimate how big Patty is at 55. He's fucking pretty big.

And those kicks were good. He's not a bad fighter. Bobby's a very good stand-up fighter. For sure. Bobby get his legs lit up that quick, that was a big deal. I expected to see him get tested, and he wasn't tested at all. Well, he got an A+. But do you think he's ready for the top guys now? Would you put him in there with an Arman Saroukian? You know what I'm saying? No, I put him in there with the winner of the...

Moicano and Saint Denis. Oh, that's a good fight. Yeah. Winner Moicano. That's a good fight. Yeah, put him in there with one of them guys. I would love to see him fight Moicano. I like Moicano. Moicano's been going more with his jiu-jitsu lately. Moicano's got really good jiu-jitsu. That's what I'm saying. I saw him ball up Chase Hooper in a grappling tournament. Yeah. Ball him up. And how good is that fucking post-fight interview? Oh, man. He's the best. Nothing is better than this. Give me my fight.

He's funny. He is. He's on his podcast. He's funny. This guy's a character all of a sudden. He's good. Well, he figured it out, man. Some guys figure it out. Colby had to figure it out. He did it his way. Everybody figures it out. You figure out you got to get people to be a twat. Everybody's getting their own way. But that's his gig. Once you get into fam... Listen, the second he spoke about Leon Edwards' dead father, it shows you that he's a...

He's a fucking piece of shit. Kobe, you're a fucking piece of shit. Dude, I'm down for none of that. When Conor was talking about Poirier's wife, like, come on, man. Well, that's why. That's like I'm finding you on the street. I couldn't fight now. That's why it's so interesting that a guy like Pereira gets as high as he gets with none of that. Zero.

Well, I mean, it's proof that you don't need it. You don't need to cross that line. You just need to fuck people up. You don't need to speak English. He's got a good social media presence there. Like, he shows a sense of humor, you know what I mean, on social media. So I think that endears people to him as well. Bro, and that thing he did when he kicked the soccer ball and then hit it with an arrow. Oh, yeah, yeah. Do you know how hard that is to do? What did he do? He kicked a soccer ball and then shot it with an arrow. What?

So he kicks it. Oh, he really shoots arrows? Yes. I thought he was just fucking around. No, no. He's really good, man. He's really good at that. That guy's right out of the Amazon, that motherfucker. But he does that kind of archery. I don't even do that kind of archery. I do archery with like releases and fucking everything. It's like this. He nails it. And that's before he beat Adesanya. Give me some volume on this. Because when he screams, imagine being the neighbor and hearing this. He hits it.

Imagine being the neighbor. Call 911 right away. Get this guy out of here. And then you watch him on pay-per-view. I'm like, oh, Jesus Christ. You can't even complain. You can't even say, hey, man, I'm trying to take it out. That's pretty sick.

Yeah. Some guys don't need it. They don't need that extra fucking whatever it is. Well, he's got the swag with him is just the stoic warrior coming out and shooting arrow at you and screaming. Well, I mean, at the end of the day, like people are attracted to violence. Yeah.

And at the end, like even Robbie Lawler, like people love Robbie. He hated doing it. It was the violence that attracted people to him. Talking about wars, him and both Rory McDonald fights. Oh, my God. Him and Carlos Conde. Oh, my God. Right? Him and Melvin Manhoof. Oh, yeah. That was a one-way ass whipping until he uncorked. I thought it was a fucking bomb.

That was crazy. He was kicking Robbie's leg so bad it was lifting his leg up in the air. He's probably having flashbacks of Pete Spratt. Oh, yeah, that's right. Remember that? People forgot about Pete Spratt. He was a good striker. Very good striker. What a crazy time this sport has gone through. And all these years, like this fight was so horrible to watch, man. These guys were so busted up. Look at Rory's nose.

It's gone. It's just flattened. That's how it ends. He punches him right again. And then he just can't take it anymore. Head split open. His lips split open. Yeah, his lips hanging off. This is easily the best fight of all time. I'm certainly in the conversation. Robbie...

He left nice. He knocked out. I forgot who he finished. Nico Price. Yeah. Nico Price. First round. And then he went off to the sunset. And he knocked him out without taking a shot. Yeah. It was great. And that's so easy to say, I want one more after that. It was the best way to ride off. But he's going to be a great coach, too. And I'm sure he is. But he's also a guy like, you want that guy to be proud of you. Yeah. Yeah. It's Robbie Lawler. Yeah, for sure. There's something to that. If you're getting coached by a guy like that. Look at his face, man. Look at that. Stay in school, kids. Yeah.

You better really know what you want if you're going to do this for a living. Yeah, dude. And you got to look across and see that shit. Right? Yeah. This guy's got a fucking Joker smile on him. He's ready to go to war for the fucking final round. What a sick fight. Yeah, shit. We've seen some wild fights, boys. We're going to see some wild ones this weekend. Yeah, I'm excited. I don't know what's going to happen in the main event. I know you're partial to Murab, but I just don't know what's going to happen. I'm very interested. Very interested. Yeah.

He gets past that first round. He's got to keep them hands up. He gets one clinch. Yeah. It's going to be very interesting. They're saying he needs one shot. I'm saying Marab needs one clinch. Not to end the fight, but to do enough damage. The thing is, I feel like Sugar is a better striker than Marlon. And Marlon had Marab in trouble. And that's what gives me pause on the feet. Like, you can only take so many of those sniper shots from Sugar. The other thing- But can he land them? And can Marab keep moving and keep threatening and pressure? You know-

The argument is there's one guy who's going to win by taking him down and smashing him, and the other guy's going to win by knocking him out on the feet. And we don't know what's going to play out. It's going to be interesting. It's going to be fucking phenomenal. The thing that I think that Sean does well, like he got Aljo with it, is... I mean, you know Marab's going to be pressuring because he has to beat him. Sean took out Aljo backing up. You know what I mean? So he...

A lot of guys can't fight moving backwards. He does have the ability to fight moving backwards. He's also a great game planter. You've got to put him on that fence. Him and Tim Welch have a great relationship. They study shit. They find holes. They knew that Aljo has this tendency to get a little over-anxious and charge in. He definitely would lunge with his strikes. He was ready for that. I'm just interested to see if he can capitalize. Because if he can't, if Murab can get a hold of him. Murab's just a different kind of Wolverine on top of you. I think he needs one round, mushing him in the fence, just...

Wear them out, kind of like GSP did with BJ. Wear them out a little bit, slow them down a little bit, and then you can put the pace on them. It's going to be very exciting. Some guys are afraid of extending too much energy on a takedown. Rob's not. And he's not going to. And that same energy you felt in the first, you're going to feel in the fifth. So that's what we're dealing with. I'm rooting for Marab. I like him. I think he's great. Having a gas tank is such a weapon.

Such a weapon. It's another weapon in the arsenal. It really is. Might be the most important because what's the difference what you know if you can't get out there and apply it. And Merab's one of them nutty dudes that spars up until the day of the fight, right? He's nutty too. I've seen that guy clocking rounds. That was just ridiculous. I'm like, wait, he already did five rounds? Why is he going back? It's insane what he does. It's not normal. And again, I think that if he doesn't get caught with that perfect shot,

He's a hard guy to put away. And he's not going to stop. He's a little Terminator. And he also knows this is his big moment. Yeah. Also, the pressure is not going to... He's not... I've already... When he was going to fight the Pideon... When he had that Pideon fight, before that fight got on the table, like when they were talking about it, he told me... Marab was like, I don't know. He didn't... Until he accepted it, he was like, there's so much pressure in this fight. He goes...

the history between Georgia and Russia. He goes, this is not just a fight for me. If I lose this... The pressure was so much. He's repping his country. That's one of my proudest things. When he took that fight and the way he handled it, he was different in that fight. Even the lead up, he's calling him a bitch. He's dealing with the Russian bully. And so when he won that...

That was like the title fight for me. He whooped his ass, too. It was a dominant performance. Oh, my goodness. That was a wake-up call for everybody in the division. Like, he can do that to Jan? Oh, my God. Jan's a strong motherfucker, man. And Rob was able to stand with guys like Jan and things, so he's definitely not...

He's definitely not incapable there. No, he can fuck you up on the feet too. And that's part of the problem with a guy who's trying to take you down all the time. You're always ready for that. And then these bombs are coming your way. Get off a few. But Sean is such a fucking sniper. And he's so agile. His styles make fun. His athleticism. His movement is crazy. Switching stances. Fighting just as good off the left as off the right. You can switch stances in the middle of a combination. Choose angles.

It's just, can he keep that fucking animal off of him? And they're both extremely confident. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. I like when it's, I love that shit. It's exciting. It's exciting. It's a real clash of styles. So many fucking good fights these days, man. What a good time to be a fan. Right? Fuck yeah, man. We're spoiled. We're so spoiled.

the most. I mean, and boxing's making a little comeback, too. Oh, yeah. Once Gervonta and Ryan Garcia got it on, now it seems like they're starting to make some more fights. Well, the Saudis. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're bringing the money. What do you think of them? They're talking, I mean, are they really doing Canelo for 20 bucks or something? You saw what they were saying?

On the pay-per-view? It's only $20? Don't quote me, but the prince who runs that Riyadh stuff said he's going to make all pay-per-views $20. He did say that. Because he believes that it would make it more, expose it to more people, grow the audience, we'd still make money, and everybody would be able to watch it. I wonder how many more people would buy it if it's $20 rather than $70. They might make their money. I mean, it's what he's saying. And he was talking about if it's that cheap. He said he might even do Canelo for $50.

free. He said if it was that cheap that people would stop pirating. That too. They might. 70 bucks is a lot. Isn't it 79? Sometimes it's more than that. It's a lot. If it was 20 bucks, I wonder. It'd be an interesting thing to try. I didn't know they were going to start with Canelo, although they were starting with Better Beef, but

I mean, that would be... And nobody even knows. They were talking about doing that for like 15 bucks. Nobody even knows about them. They should know these two. I know. I mean, they're both sick, sick boxers. Isn't it better to be a 20-0 at 20 knockouts? Yeah. Yeah. But he's 39. I don't even watch the fucking boxing. I can't watch it after the MMA. I just watch the fights. It's hard for me. I mean, I pick my spots. You ever see Ben Whitaker?

Who? Ben Whitaker. No, Ben Whitaker. You know who Ben Whitaker is? That dude who's got that crazy drunken style? Yeah, he's awesome. He's awesome. Big, tall, light heavyweight. He's got this wild style. 90 bucks, sir. 90 bucks? So much for your $20 thing. Next time. Next time, $20. You can find the article. That was $20? Epic.

Joshua versus Du Bois. Oh, that's a good deal. So you pay for the pay-per-view and then other fights are 20 bucks. That's a good deal. Yeah, I think so. All right, gentlemen, this was a lot of fun. Oh, man. So protect your neck. That's our new name. Yeah, that's it. That's it. So way better than Cucks. Yeah.

I think so. But our chat group is still cucks. Change it. Change it. I get a kick out of that every time I say that. All right. Gentlemen, tell everybody where they can see your new podcast. And thank you for doing that. I'm very glad you're doing it. Dude, thank you for pushing me and planting that seed in my mind. The Matt Serra channel on YouTube. Geeking out with Matt Serra.

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