#2239 - Derek, More Plates More Dates
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So we just watched this. What is this exact job? We watched this guy get assassinated, which is kind of.

I've seen more people assassinated and killed over the last two years on Instagram than I ever have in my whole life. Oh, yeah, dude. The Explorer page now is a disaster. It's just like me and Tom Segura have this thing where we send each other the most fucked up thing we find every day. Yeah, yeah. It's a brutal text thread. But because...

Because of it, now I'm locked into this algorithm. He's the CEO of their insurance unit, which I don't know what the difference is and what people will hurt. He's the CEO. A targeted attack by a gunman waiting for him. A real assassination. 6.45 a.m. outside the Hilton on 6th Avenue where the company's annual investor conference is about to take place. Yeah, man. I wonder what's going on with that. That's one of those things that just makes conspiracy theorists go cuckoo.

I'm sure there's some real good theories floating around on X right now. Oh, for sure. Is there? It's got to be. The investor meeting has now been canceled, obviously. But so that was maybe the goal. What's worse, your X Explorer page or your Instagram? My Instagram. Oh, really? Yeah. I don't.

I just follow – I mean I follow a lot of people on both X and Instagram. I don't know if it's necessarily a good thing, but when someone says something interesting or they post something interesting on Instagram, I just immediately follow. Let's see. Let's see if this will be fun. But the thing about Twitter or X is that like –

I don't interact enough to have a really fucked up algorithm. I'm mostly just reading stuff. I don't really hardly ever like post anything. I think the problem is I'll click to watch a full video of the fucked up things so that it reinforces the algorithm. Oh, you want to see this guy get shot or oh, you want to see this car accident. We'll give you more of those. I've seen so many people get run over by cars. Oh,

So, yeah. And yeah, it's crazy because a lot of the stuff I've seen in the past year, I didn't even know could be on the Internet. Right. I don't know how it is when there's so many things you can't put on. Do you know that there's a loophole that the ladies use to show their breasts?

Which one? Fake boobs, fake baby. Oh, no. Yeah, they use a fake baby. So they breastfeed. So you got these girls, these big juicy melons, and they pull one out and have a rubber baby, and the rubber baby's stuck on its head. The baby looks so fake. That's hilarious. But they can get some pretty realistic fake babies. Yeah. What was that movie with the sniper movie about Chris Kyle? What was that called?

Remember, there was a movie where he had a fake baby, and it was, like, so obvious. He's got this, like, rubber baby, and he's, like, holding on to his child in this stupid scene. I'm pretty sure on Twitter you can just post nudity without any, like, problems, right? You can post pornography. Yeah, dude, the replies to a lot of tweets that are irrelevant to porn, it'll just be like, that's cool, but have you seen my pussy? It'll be like some chick promoting her OnlyFans.

That's so common now. And I just like... The discourse is like half infested at this point. They had this one lady who was saying she made $40 million this year on OnlyFans. Oh, yeah. That's nuts. $40 million. And she's a virgin, I guess, and she doesn't post sex stuff. Sure. Sure she's a virgin. Sure. She's a 23-year-old big-tittied virgin. The only one that exists in the whole world.

Yeah. That's an interesting scenario, if true, because it's like a lot of dudes...

to shit on these chicks for being like, like prostitutes essentially. Right. But like, if she was actually a virgin and she's posting like almost nude, but not quite, but making a bunch of money off it. Yeah. There's like two contradictory things going on right now. Yeah. She wins. But the problem is this is, I mean, I don't want to tell anybody to not do anything like ladies. You do what you want. You do you. If I was a young, pretty girl, I'd probably be on only fans. I,

I'd probably make some money. Fuck it. Why would I want to be a waitress when I could just show my tits? That's how I would look at it. The problem is...

Twofold. One, you become addicted to an extraordinary amount of money if you're successful at it, right? So there's like a scale of people on the OnlyFans apparently. Most of the OnlyFans – we talked about this, right? Like most of the gals don't make that much money. Most of them – Yeah, I mean that's – what's that much? Six figures or millions or – No, like even less. Like most of them make a few thousand dollars a month. I think so. I think out of this 43, one guy paid her five million, she said. Dude, that's insane. Yeah.

It would suck too is if you went full board and you did like actual porn and just got like banged on camera just for thinking you're gonna become a multi-millionaire and then you still are like you would have to get banged on camera a lot for years to really develop a fan base and you have to do a really good job like every time super enthusiastic, but my point is like you're not going to like most

beautiful young women want a high value man as a husband if let's say they're heterosexual let's just assume they want to get married if they do want to get married they do want a relationship

You're not going to get a high-value man, especially if you're making millions of dollars a year doing this. You're going to want a guy who makes millions of dollars a year, right? You're not going to want a guy who makes less than you. You're probably used to buying fucking Louis Vuitton, this and that, and you're used to all this shit. So you're probably—you're wealthy, right? So you're already—your dating pool is smaller, right?

Because you're probably not interested in the guy makes $100,000 a year like a regular guy to you is like what is he gonna? Do it can't even take me anywhere. This is bull I'm gonna pay for our vacation the fuck out of here, right? So you've already like cut like regular guys out so now you have a very small pool of men that you can date and Then out of that pool how many of them are gonna accept the fact that you're doing this now you have an even smaller pool and

So some guys will accept it, but for how long? Like if you get real serious and you get married and then you're still showing your asshole to everybody? That's, you know, you're in, but you're addicted to that money. Like are you going to pick a relationship over this guy who may or may not be DMing his ex-girlfriend? You know, like you're going to throw it all away and throw away this $40 million a year empire you've created? Or are you trapped in that essentially forever? Yeah, it's a...

It's interesting the thresholds though too of where they become successful for what they're doing because it seems like some of them don't have to show their asshole. Really? They just post like thirst trap fitness girl type content almost. And people pay for that?

But why would they pay for that when there's so much of that for free on Instagram? I know. That's like the common question. My search page on Instagram is all butts. I assume it's something to do with like you follow this person and like you get a bigger hit of dopamine probably from being able to potentially see more revealing photos.

something from somebody that you are like a fan of already. I think it's interaction. That, I think, is a big component too because it's like, I think half the income is like DMs. Well, there was some Google guy, some executive at Google that was warning about what's going to happen with AI girlfriends, with these sort of indistinguishable AI girlfriends that are going to interact with guys and how this is going to create like profound loneliness and all sorts of real problems.

Yeah, I imagine so. And I imagine a lot of the DM conversations are probably AI chat GPT already. 100%. Yeah. Or, you know, you got some Andrew Tate type deal. There's a bunch of dudes who are like pounding on the keyboard where the girl shows her tits. Yeah. Which is what he did for years. Yeah. Innovator. Yeah. Yeah.

And the curve. Yeah. Yeah, you're going to not have any idea whether it's even a real person, right? Because there's a bunch of AI-generated girlfriends, or girls rather, that have OnlyFans where they don't even exist. They're not even a physical being. Yeah, there's some pretty big Instagram pages, I think, that are just, like, fake. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and it's just, like, even a...

I think they're owned by entities, like companies that have, like, an army of AI chicks. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Which is crazy. And they generate a lot of money. I've seen the comments section on a couple of them, too. And shockingly, well, maybe not. I don't know. But there's a lot of people that are engaging with it like it's a real person. And I thought it was pretty obvious it was AI. But, I mean, like, some people are pretty stupid. Well, there's a high percentage of people in this country that have a below 85 IQ. Mm-hmm.

Like a real good percentage. Isn't it like 15 or 20 percent? Is it something nutty like that? Yeah. It's the same amount that people that are above it are going to be below it. It's like a standard deviation of averages and stats. Yeah, there's people that are about as smart as a Labrador. They just can talk. Then you can trick them. And if you can get those dumbasses that work at Subway to donate $5 a month and you get enough of them,

Have you seen the UFC collab with that OnlyFans chick? There's a UFC collab with an OnlyFans chick? Pull it up. What is this? So there's this girl who, to spark outrage and get engagement, she breaks...

exotic cars. She'll stand on a Lambo and just smash the windshield or something. What? And just shake her ass. And then it gets tons of views and there's a bunch of guys freaking out because she's disrespecting a nice piece of machinery or whatever. But at the end of the day, she gets views from it and then more people go to her page and sign up to it. But how much is a Lambo worth? Like, Lambos are like half a million dollars, right? She'll smash like the windshield only or like a window...

from, like, the driver's side and then do some, like, call to action or something. Wow. Like, pull up the UFC one. You'll be able to tell what I'm talking about better. I know the girl you're talking about, but I don't... I didn't know she did something with the UFC. Yeah, Dana White, like, posted it. What? He's like, check this shit out. What? Yeah. I gotta find it. Hold on a second. Unless they uncollaborate. Is it on the UFC Instagram? Yeah, it was, like, a collaboration I saw a few days ago. Okay. Okay.

They're giving away a McLaren or something for the next UFC event, I think. And she's the one who's talking about it after smashing the window of a limo. What? Yeah. I thought it was kind of a weird combo. This is the gal? Oh, don't do it. Don't. Is that a crowbar? Oh, what the fuck are you doing? Oh, Jesus. That's why I'm giving away this McLaren 600 LT at Power Slab for free. Check out the links in our bios on how to enter.

Wow, we're the dumbest fucking race. We're so dumb. What are the accounts that collabed with it? It was UFC, right? Yeah, it was for Power Slap event. Of course it's for Power Slap. That's just as dumb. We are the dumbest motherfuckers that have ever lived. We really are. What do you think about Power Slap? I don't. I don't. I don't get it.

I've watched it a ton of times on little Instagram reels. When it shows up, I watch guys get KO'd. I would never advise anybody to do it. I don't care how good you are at getting slapped. I don't care how good you are at slapping people. For me, the whole idea of fighting is to hit and not get hit. The whole idea is the skill. It's like you impose your skill set. It's like a human chess game.

That's the opposite. You're just standing in front of each other, whacking each other in the face. But I will watch. So if people want to do it, that's your jam. You know, if you're some giant fat guy. We see one of those guys actually had a fight, a dirty boxing fight with Yoel Romero. He was like the freaks of all freaks. Yeah, he was like the dirty boxing king, dude. He's also super juicy now. He's a heavyweight now. Oh.

So Yoel is 47. So he was competing under pretty rigorous testing with the UFC as far as like, you know, I'm sure you would disagree. But look at what he looks like now. We could talk about that later. Yeah, yeah, definitely. This is Yoel now. He smashes this guy. Look at the size of him. This is not a good video, Jamie. Find another video of it. There's the actual video of it from the fight event. That's like someone's camera from the side view. But he's huge.

Yoel's like 220 now, 225 maybe. He's fucking massive. He used to suck down to 185, and then what would he walk in at, though? I think like two. Well, when he would weigh 185, this was back when Yoel was fighting, there was actual weigh-ins.

You know, so right now there's actual weigh-ins, but it's a ceremonial weigh-in. Like tomorrow at the UFC, I'll host a ceremonial weigh-in. So the fighters weighed in at like 9 o'clock in the morning. The ceremonial weigh-in is at 5 p.m.,

They've had the entire day to rehydrate. So Yoel back in those days was 185 when you weighed in at 5 p.m. at 185. And you couldn't believe he was 185 because I would be like 200 pounds and I'd be sitting there. I'm like, how? How?

How am I bigger than you? This defies all known laws of physics and gravity. It doesn't make any sense. He was massive. These enormous traps. He was one of the rare guys that when he would suck weight, he didn't look smaller. He still looked fucking huge, man. He has really round muscle bellies, so it's almost like bodybuilder-esque in terms of how much...

How much bigger you look just cosmetically, too. So this guy that he's fighting is a slap fight guy. And look at the size of Yoel now. He's definitely less lean. Yeah, he's less lean. He's eating whatever he wants, but he's still got a six pack.

But he's fucking massive, dude. So how did he end up in this league? Oh, I think this is Mike Perry's thing. I think he's putting this together. He's involved with it in some way, shape, or form. So Yoel is just basically toying with this guy. This guy has...

Literally no business. No disrespect to the man, but no business in the ring with this world-class athlete. How much do you got to get paid to go in and fight Yoel for this? $15. Watch how he hops up in the air before he decides to go. What is that about? He just decides to hop in the air. He's like, enough. Let me end this. He just decides it's time to end it.

Oh my god. He's fucking huge, dude. Look at his back. Look at his back! That guy used to weigh 185. And by the way, if- look at- see the back of his neck? He has a fully fused neck.

If he wasn't 36 when he entered into the UFC, that's how old he was when he first started fighting. He was already past his professional prime when he first started fighting in the UFC. If he had gotten into MMA when he was 20, probably nobody would have ever beaten him. He's the freak of all freaks when it comes to athletic stuff.

specimens like he's the freak yeah when was his last fight in the UFC quite a while ago he fought Adesanya I want to say five years ago when did when did he fight Israel and I think maybe he had one other fight other than that but you know he was knocking guys dead at 40

Dude, the Costa. Right before the pandemic. What is it? March 7th, 2020. There you go. So that was his last fight in the UFC. So the last four years, he's been competing for Bellator. And so they're a little less stringent. They don't have a USADA deal or now...

whatever it's called, Drug Free Sport, I think they call it now. That's the new company, which is essentially the same protocols, but they don't wake you up on the day of the weigh-ins or anything like that. You saw it was gross. They would take these guys that are dehydrated, starving themselves, day before the fight, wake them up at 6 o'clock in the morning.

Did you see that article I sent you about the USADA corruption? Yes. So let's talk about that. Yeah. So basically, and this was like a WADA press release too. So it's not like it was some journalist or something. It's like on the official WADA site. And they were basically exposing how USADA was covering up

test results. For which athletes? Unnamed. Which sports? They wouldn't say. They just said Olympic-level athletes and elite athletes and kept it very vague. Really? And essentially...

They disclosed what they had tested positive for, and even that one of them was an Olympic-caliber athlete, and their entire career, they got to go until retirement without getting exposed just because they helped USADA supposedly catch other people. Oh, they were narcs? So, like, yeah, so if you help them catch people... Ooh!

Then you could get away with using like full board testosterone. No. Really? Yeah. Oh, my God. So they're like a drug dealer that works for the government. Yeah. Wow.

And this was like one of the reasons of many why Hunter and others are very critical of USADA and are glad they're not under it anymore. Well, there's a lot of stupidity with their regulations. Like one of them is BBC 157, which is natural in the human body. You know, and peptides. All they're doing is helping you heal. You're literally dealing with a sport where you beat the fucking shit out of each other every day in training.

And you're not going to like assist these people in healing? Like wouldn't that only benefit everybody? There's no like fear of like harm. There's no, like no one's dying from BBC 157. Within the code, there's a provision whereby an athlete who provides substantial assistance can subsequently apply to have a proportion of their period of ineligibility suspended. Wow, look how they phrased that. What dirty language.

What does that mean? It means you're allowing them to cheat. However, there's a clear process for that, which does not involve allowing those who have cheated to continue to compete while they may or may not gather incriminating information. Wait a minute. What are you saying then? So it doesn't do that. They're saying it doesn't do that.

At the bottom, WADA is now aware of at least three cases where athletes who had committed serious anti-doping rule violations were allowed to continue to compete for years while they acted as undercover agents. Okay, so they pretended that they wouldn't let someone compete if they were doping, but they still did. Yeah. While they were on shit. Imagine if that's like boxing in the Olympics or something like that.

The athlete was allowed to line up against their unknowing competitors as if they had never cheated. In that case, when USADA eventually admitted to WADA what had been going on, it advised that any publication of consequences or disqualification of results would put the athlete's security at risk. What? And asked WADA to agree to non-publication. What? Were they worried about that with Lance Armstrong?

What the fuck are you talking about? Security at risk. In another case of a high-level athlete, USADA never notified WADA of its decision to lift an athlete's provisional suspension, which is an appealable decision, despite being required to do so under the code. Had WADA been notified, it would have never allowed this. Oh, interesting. It sounds like this was...

somewhat how they operated is if they had a high profile enough person or certain circumstances, they would kind of autonomously decide, hey, if you work alongside us to catch other people because you might know something that we don't or what have you, then we'll just let you

You know, no one will know. That's so dirty. That's so dirty. That's literally contrary to the whole reason why they exist. Yeah. What's really crazy is, I mean, according to the UFC, so what happened was the UFC had some disputes with them and decided to sever their relationship. And then USADA, like, publicly said that UFC is going to allow their competitors to do steroids now, which is not the case at all. Like, they already had a contract in place with Drug Free Sport. Right.

I talked to the guy from drug free sport and he was essentially laying out the pro it was essentially identical No, bpc 157 no testosterone growth nothing like you can't do anything The standards are actually much higher now too in contrast like you said I would claim or at least suggest that they were doing Full spectrum bulletproof testing, but it turned out they were almost never epo testing um

The HGH testing was never really done. And then also the isotope ratio mass spec was not really being done either. Was that like a budget thing? Like it was too expensive for those tests? Yeah.

I believe so. And also time intensive for some of these tests as well. And I guess for like the number of tests they were conducting, perhaps it was too extensive or I don't really know what the exact motivation was. Like often you would think it comes down to budget and time, but yeah,

Also, if you have an expert who just thinks it's not warranted to go further, like the same way, if you went to a doctor and you'd be like, should I test this? They'll be like, oh, if we know this, like, who cares? It's not necessary. Like, I don't necessarily know. They went to the depth and rigor to claim somebody did or didn't cheat. If I have, you know, preliminary data that you would exclude having to go further, sometimes you don't have to, you know, test.

test further if there's not an atypical finding. Yeah, but if they're not testing for EPO, for example, and maybe there's an event in Mexico City, which is 7,700 feet above sea level, that place is brutal.

That's where Cain Velasquez, who was known as probably the greatest cardio heavyweight of all time, he fought Fabrizio Verdum, and he did not prepare properly. Fabrizio actually moved to the mountains above Mexico City and trained there for like four months. So Fabrizio speaks French.

He flew in Spanish, lived in Mexico. He really got ready, and he beat Cain Velasquez on that night to become the champion. And he had tremendous cardio, and Cain was just dying. That's how brutal Mexico City is. So imagine when you're competing at that altitude or maybe Colorado Springs or one of these really high-altitude places, which we have events, Salt Lake City, and you don't test for EPO.

Yeah, no, I'm saying. That's crazy. That's crazy because that's the place where you would do it, particularly if like you're defending your title or you're challenging for a title. Yeah, and it's like some of this stuff, even if you're looking for it, is quite difficult to detect anyway. It's like microdosing EPO is still they're trying to refine the parameters and determine with greater scrutiny how to detect it.

How long is the life that's detectable inside your body? I believe it's like a few days. And that's if you're using like, that's not a microdose protocol either. Well, how much of a benefit do you get from microdosing? 50%.

fairly significant given you can even just retaining your baseline parameters. If you're weight cutting can be quite helpful. So it's almost like offsetting, for example, the suppression of hormones or the suppression of like any sort of parameter that would decrease with heavy nutrient deprivation. If you can sustain it at normal levels,

is performance enhancing in contrast to your competitors who are also weight cutting and might not have the same advantages. Well, that's why TJ Dillashaw did it when he was dropping down to flyweight to fight Henry Cejudo, which is when he got popped. But he looked like a skeleton. Did you ever see those weight cuts? Yeah, that was insane. I might be misspeaking on the detection time of EPO, by the way, but it's at minimum the micro-dose protocols that are being implemented still

Even most recent literature, you find upwards of 50% of the studied participants where they're actually looking for it still pass their testing. Really? Yeah. Well, one of the things that I've read about sauna is that sauna use, especially like directly after cardio, imparts like a microdose EPO effect. Have you read anything about that? Not recently, no. Okay.

I don't know. Maybe you could brush me up. Well, maybe we could find it. But I know it's helped my cardio. It helps significantly because I went through an injury once where I couldn't do any kickboxing or any hitting the bag or anything for quite a while. And whenever I did come back from like three or four months off of that, it would be the first few days were fucking brutal. And it wasn't brutal at all.

And it was because of regular sauna use. Sauna bathing can increase the production of EPO, a hormone that stimulates the production of red blood cells. This can improve endurance performance by increasing the amount of oxygen. Now, um...

It says here's how plasma volume, when you sit in a sauna, you sweat, which comes from blood plasma. As your blood plasma levels decrease, your kidneys release EPO. So how do they detect endogenous versus exogenous EPO? It's similar to how they would detect for bioidentical testosterone and other hormones. They look for...

Does it look like a endogenous signature? So different compounds, there's different ways to analyze. But in general, it's going to be either the molecular mass of it or something to that effect would be have a blatant difference between what you would make naturally

endogenously versus exogenous origin, which is the way they make it in a lab, does not necessarily look exactly the same. So even though it's EPO that you're injecting, it's actually like recombinant, a.k.a. made in a lab, and not like... It's not like they're literally pulling EPO out of a guy and then giving it to you. It's like grown in a lab, essentially. Right, right. Well, that was one of the things that Jeff Nowitzki actually said could be an issue, is that it is...

at least theoretically, to take testosterone from animals. Yeah. So find a mammal-based testosterone instead of getting it from... So they create it from wild yams, right? Yeah. So wild yams from Mexico, apparently, where they get all the testosterone when you buy testosterone sip and ate or whatever. And soy. Yeah. Soy? Yeah. What do you mean? They use soy to, like, the phyto...

Some of the compounds in the soy as well as the yams look similar molecularly to the cholesterol that would get basically enzymatically converted to testosterone. So you can just manipulate that slightly to have like a highly reproducible at scale for low cost way to make food.

And that's how testosterone is made. Oh, that's interesting because soy is always associated with like soy boys. Bad stuff. Yeah, it's associated with high estrogen levels. Yeah, I think the two primary ways they synthesize testosterone now is soy and yams.

So Nowitzki was saying that, at least in theory, a really good scientist could actually extract it from animals, and then it would be impossible to differentiate. Yeah, I think maybe the first time I came on, we talked about the carbon isotope ratio testing and having a CIR-proof testosterone formulation, and if athletes are doing that. And I did dig into it after we talked about it a bit more, and it does seem like there's

Strong evidence that suggests they're aware of it and are trying to find new ways to refine even the carbon isotope ratio testing. Now they're looking at like hydrogen ratios because it's more minute and specific apparently as opposed to with the carbon content.

They've seen suspicious testosterone formulations that look similar to endogenous carbon isotope signatures. Wow. And your diet, even what you ingest, can change what your signature is too because they have to use as like a reference. They use, for example, from your urine, they'll find some other compound that is like upstream from testosterone, for example.

And they will use that as a benchmark of like, this is what your signature is of the carbon content of sex hormones. And then if your testosterone has a different carbon isotope ratio than this, they know that, okay, however you got this in your body is different than the upstream hormone ratio.

So through that, we can infer that, you know, it's probably of exogenous origin. But if the exogenous origin one looks like the upstream hormones, like you would never be able to tell. So it's possible if you were sophisticated enough to make the exogenous look like the upstream. Yeah. Even though you've injected it. Yeah. And if you had like animal grade testosterone or cholesterol, even from like a medical test,

grade, you know, compound facility or something like you could probably react it down and create like a CIR proof testosterone. God, it would be, it seems like it'd be hard to keep that under wraps for very long without it getting out. Maybe. Yeah. But it's like the access to lab equipment and high level testing is not as, uh, the barrier is a lot lower than it used to be for sure. Like there are, I even have heard of people paying off water accredited labs to get like testing done.

Really? Yeah, so they could assess where they stand in terms of some of the testing that they would do to see if they'd pop or not. Is that legal?

No. So they bribe WADA, allegedly? There's WADA-accredited labs, not just in the States, but in other countries where they're a bit more corrupt and you can persuade them to test your samples. Oh, so you send your piss to Guatemala or somewhere. Yeah, yeah. And then they go, yeah, senor, you got problems. Senor, this does not look good. Yeah.

But, yeah, if you do enough homework, you can, you know, develop a biological passport internally with your own team and, you know, know you're bulletproof rather than just guessing. Yeah. Well, there was some concern with Brock Lesnar at one point in time before he tested positive. And one of the concerns was that he was testing himself, that he had gotten tested like a number of times, which generally you don't do. Mm-hmm.

Now, why was that recorded, though, like that they have his medical records? Because you can just like pay for blood tests and urine analysis. I might be speaking out of turn. I might be speaking out of school here. I don't remember. I don't remember the thing. But I remember someone who knows things telling me. Yeah. You know, I'm kind of on the inside. So someone who knows things on the inside told me, dude, he got tested like 20 fucking times or something crazy like that.

During camp. Oh, he was for sure trying to get around them. Well, he's also pissed hot. This is when he fought Mark Hunt. Oh, right, right. And there's a giant lawsuit involved right now. Oh, wow. Yeah, I don't know if that lawsuit has been, if it's still ongoing or what the deal was, but Mark Hunt was furious.

Yeah. It was obvious when you look at the guy. I mean, he was like 39 years old, 300 pounds, like cutting down at 265. He was fucking huge, man. Yeah. What's even more interesting too is the storage of samples. A lot of sports don't actually do it. So with Olympic testing, oftentimes the positive test results come retroactively to years in the past once they've refined the testing and

actually are able to detect, you know, long-term metabolites of terenobol or something of that nature. But in a lot of sports, like especially in the U.S. for like traditional professional sports, they're not storing urine typically. Right. So if you have more refined testing get developed, oftentimes there's no way to actually penalize an athlete who was ahead of the testing curve at the time. Right. And...

At least from what I've seen, there's a really good paper. One of the guys I know who's on the inside on this, his name is Alex Kaliari-Turner. He has excellent information and studies on this stuff, but he did a paper that basically outlined how I think 75% of the medalists that have tested positive in the Olympics at the Summer Olympic Games for the past, I don't know, it was like a full decade of analyzation,

It was like 75% of them tested years later, not at the actual time of winning their medal. So if they're only being popped, you know, three out of four people are getting popped retroactively over a half decade later or more based on advancements in testing. You can just imagine how many sports are getting away with passing testing, given that retroactively they're not being tested at all. Wow.

So it's like if you're ahead of the curve now, there are a lot of sports where as long as you pass the test now, even if what you took had a more refined assay developed five years from now, they're not going to go get your sample and retry it. Right. That makes sense. But wasn't there a famous Russian wrestler who was popped because—

because they went back and looked at his old stuff, like once they developed new testing protocols. Wasn't an Olympic athlete? Yeah. That's why, because Olympic games, they started storing samples 2004. So they're a bit more rigorous about that. And there are probably some sports that store, but the majority don't. Yeah. Yeah.

And it's like, you know, you could say it's corruption or you could say it's, you know, people trying to the sport trying to cover it up. But I think sometimes it's just like budget constraints, too, because it's like you still have to be a profitable enterprise. And, you know, I don't know how much you can scrutinize the economics on something like that. You're also managing at scale, right? Like how many athletes are you dealing with? Yeah. How much time do you have to go back?

And, you know, review all the different urine samples and go back. Yeah. No, but it gets crazy because it kind of, it highly suggests that in a lot of sports, as long as you're ahead of the curve, you're probably good. Yeah. Now, obviously, you have to actually beat the test now, which is more and more rigorous by the year, of course, but...

At least historically, what we've seen is it's the testing usually lags behind the methods that are being developed to get around it. Is there anything right now that is not being tested for that you think is effective? Yeah, like in general, the most effective stuff is going to be.

bioidenticals which are being tested for but it's like at the scale it's kind of up for debate because sometimes they don't test at all like you know we saw with USADA they were barely doing adequate in-depth testing for bioidenticals with no EPO testing or HGH testing so I would say those are probably the go-to's you know like EPO especially and HGH

There are other compounds that I think some people think they can get away with that sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. I think it's called trimetazidine. There was some top-level tennis player who just popped a week ago or something. And what is that? It's like an angina medication that the entire China Olympic team got popped for a few years back.

Yeah, it was like 23 Chinese swimmers before the Tokyo Olympics got popped using this thing. And then they claimed it was like food contamination or something. And they were like, oh, that's I guess that's what happened. And then a bunch of those two of those athletes won medals in the recent Paris Olympics and 11 of them were allowed to compete still. What does it do?

It shifts your efficiency of fuel utilization. So basically, in general, to create ATP, your body would oxidize fatty acids as well as glucose and an endurance event, which is heavily oxygen sapping. If you can shift, which is what this drug does, it shifts.

inhibits a process by which your body proportionally oxidizes more glucose than fatty acids, which is a less oxygen intensive process. So you can basically conserve oxygen proportional to the amount of ATP you're producing. So in an endurance event, if you can have more oxygen for less cost internally, then it's highly performance enhancing.

Or it should be. You know, it's kind of speculative as to if it's actually performance enhancing. But it's kind of a weird coincidence how many people have popped for this drug. Oh, by the way, the first time I was here, you said the Russian Olympics, the only people who didn't pop were the figure skaters. Yeah. Yeah, there was a Russian figure skater who was 15 who was on this angina medication. Yeah.

Well, that kind of makes sense, right? Because one thing you would want is more oxygen and endurance when you're figure skating. It's pretty cardio intensive when you're spinning around and flying around. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. But they said that steroids, they found that like gross motor skills. He's so loud, dude. You can nudge him. Keep him from fucking snoring so loud.

But they found that testosterone and things along those lines, like actual steroids, it was not good to be stronger as a figure skater. That it didn't enhance. But that was Gregory, whatever his name was, from Icarus. Yeah, yeah. And I could see, obviously the compound selection will differ greatly depending on what sport. Because there are some sports where...

you know, being heavier is going to be problematic. Right. And you might, you know, want something that could enhance, I don't know, your cognitive capacity or whatever it may be. Or like slow down your heart rate, for example, for archery or different applications for sure. Like beta blockers. Yeah. Like for archery, for example, things like propranolol, like highly effective as well as for, you know, public speaking, playing piano publicly. I think there's like a,

famous pianist who uses drug too. Yeah, I've heard of people using beta blockers. Snipers too. Really? Yeah. It makes sense, right? Yeah. Just dropping that anxiety response. Yeah, and if it crosses the blood-brain barrier like propranolol does, it actually calms you down very significantly. It's not just about lowering the heart rate. It also de-stresses you. It's an anti-anxiety drug essentially. Wow. Yeah.

You've never tried it? No. For archery? No. I'd be wondering if it was... I thought about doing it once. I even asked my doctor about it. He was going to get it for me, but I was like, I don't want to cheat. Like half of the bow hunting thing is about being able to keep your shit together. And if you could just do it, like if I could just shoot at a deer the way I'd shoot at a target, I don't think it would be the same.

Yeah, fair enough. It's like part of it is like... You're a purist. Yeah, in that regard. Because part of it is the discipline of managing your mind. That's what I like about it. I like that it's hard to do. I don't want it to be easier. It's fucking hard to do. And that's literally why I like it. If I could take a drug that would make it easier to do, I don't think I would like it. I'm very effective right now. I'm real successful at bow hunting, relatively. It's a non...

I go to a lot of really great places to hunt because I have money. I'm fortunate. But relatively speaking, bow hunting is not a successful endeavor. It's like maybe 10% of the hunts where people get tags. Maybe, probably less in most places, actually harvest an animal. How often do you do it? I do it twice a year. I go on a big elk hunt and I do a bunch of pig hunts and stuff like that. In between that, maybe one deer hunt.

And it's like, how intensive of a prep is it? And like the whole process of...

Doing the trip is a like a multi-day thing or yeah, I go for like a week The really intensive part though is the preparation for it And I was gonna tell you about this too because I actually fucked my body up getting ready for this one so When hunting season approaches for like three months out of hunting season I ramp up all my cardio and all my bow my archery So I practice in my backyard. I practice archery and

I'm shooting at 85 yards. I shoot an 84-pound bow, and I might shoot it 100 times a day. So I'm pulling 80 pounds, 84 pounds 100 times in a day, and I'm doing it day after day after day after day. I do it five, six days a week. So I was developing severe pain in my lower back on my right side that led to sciatica, and I was also –

developing some severe neck pain on my right side. So this is, it's all, it's really an unbalanced thing, right? Because I really should draw something back with my, I should probably like at least draw back my bow with my left hand as many times I draw back with my right, but I don't. So you draw back, so I'm pulling, it's able to

84 pounds to pull it back. It's at least for the beginning of the cycle. And then the cams rotate over and it significantly lowers like the holding weight is, I think my holding weight is like 20%, 20 or 25% of the actual weight of the bow. But what happens is as you're pulling back and you lock it in place, you're

The way archery works is you want to what's called pull at the wall, right? So where the string hits the end where it can't pull anymore on a compound bow, I'm pulling hard against that wall. So I'm steady, right? And then I'm trying to relax this shoulder and pull and I'm stabilizing everything with this lower back.

with my lower back muscles. So on my right side, it was just getting locked up, like painful and stiff and sore and hurt even when I walk and I would just keep going. I would do it for hours, three hours a day, just hours and hours and hours. And I just developed a real problem to the point where like when I was the last trip, when I was going up hills, my hips were getting numb, like my glutes weren't firing. I was getting sciatic pain. It was pretty bad.

So I knew after hunting season was over, I was going to have to dress it. So I got some stem cell shots, which definitely helped. I started doing a lot of stretching, no archery for a couple months, a lot of like hard foam. Like it's, I have a...

From elite flexibility, they make like a PVC roller with like a very thin layer. So it's very hard. And I was doing a lot of rolling, rolling in the sauna, cold plunge, sauna, stretching. And it was getting a little better slowly, but it was brutal. Like it was taking a long time to recover. And then I started doing this thing called NuFit. And what NuFit is, is electrical muscular stimulation while you're going through exercise routines. Right.

And so they slap these electro pads all over your muscles and fully contract you. And then you go through exercises while you're doing it. And it's like significantly increased my rehabilitation. I've only been doing it for a few weeks, too. I've only been doing it for like three weeks. All my back pain's gone. Mobility's back. No more sciatica at all. No issues at all.

And everything is like much looser. It's like coming back. So do you find that more effective than stem cells? No, I think it's the combination of things. It's very hard to tell like what is actually working. But when you add one thing and then all of a sudden you get a significant response, I'm assuming that this NuFit thing is having at least responsible for –

I mean, there's some sort of synergistic effect, right? Because I'm using peptides. Like I said, I got stem cells shot into it. And it takes a while for the stem cells to take place. I'm sure that's part of it. But then this NuFit thing is pretty significant. So I've been doing that quite a lot. I've been doing that four days a week. And it's legit, man. It's really legit. I know Mike Tyson was using that when he was preparing for the fight with Jake Paul. So...

I know a lot of other athletes use it. A lot of people use it for rehabilitation. It's like it really reduces the amount of time that you have to recover from like surgeries and injuries and stuff like that. What else are you using now as part of your... Nothing new. Nothing new.

Still BPC-157, TB-500, you know, ipamoralin, stuff like that. Like the same stuff that I've always used before. This is the only thing that I've done that's really new, this new fifth. Have you ever seen it before? No. See if you can find like some examples of, because like I said, Tyson was using it.

So it's no more time intensive because it's during training. So you're, what you're doing is, so I'm doing it for rehabilitation. So, uh, so this is what it looks like. So they slap these electrodes to you. So your muscles are just like locked up depending on how much you can tolerate, you know? So I, I get them to crank that fucker up. And when you're doing it, your muscles are like completely flexed through the whole thing. It's like, it's,

kind of painful. And then while you're doing that, you're going through all these different exercises.

Okay, so they're like kind of rehabilitative type exercises as opposed to the actual workout that you'd be doing. For me, what I'm doing is rehabilitative, but other people do it for hypertrophy. And bodybuilders do it apparently to, like, say if you've got, like, trap issues, like you need to have one area where you want to improve, they're slapping it to that area and then doing all these exercises. Yeah, they're really...

An entrepreneur that I'm friends with asked me what I thought about it as like a replacement for exercise. Oh, just a replacement? Yeah, and it was like such like a rich person question. Like, how do I not go to the gym and still like...

Go to the gym. There was a place in Boston when I lived there in the 80s that had that. I forget what it was called, but you would basically go there and their claim was they would get you, you'd have a six pack, you'd get jacked, and all you have to do is lay there. And so you'd lay there and they'd put these electrodes on you just...

Have you ever seen those like ancient like belly shaking things for women to lose body fat? Like back in the 40s? Yeah. They just sit there shaking back and forth? No, I'm sure it's more effective than that, obviously. Yeah. Which did nothing, but I don't think it's a replacement. And I would imagine, I would speculate that the time it would take to stimulate yourself, if it's for hypertrophy, if you just worked out more, you'd probably get better results.

Perhaps. The idea is that it's enhancing you past what you would normally get because you're in this very unique state of constant contraction. Yeah. So there's no contract, relax, contract, relax. You are just contracted. You're just contracted.

And then you're going through all these exercises. So you have to kind of force your way through the exercises while you're contracted. It's kind of difficult. I think if you were injured, it probably has a lot of viability. But I would be highly suspect of it being used for like a guy trying to break a plateau who is a veteran lifter, for example. Right, right, right. Yeah, I would agree. And no bodybuilders I know...

attribute any success to something like this right well this guy was telling me that some bodybuilders used to target areas that they like of having difficulty make maybe your calves yeah like people have a difficult time growing calf muscles most uh biggest nuisance of a body part genetically it's cab we'll get john jones that's the craziest thing yeah like one of the best kickers in the sport

No calves. They're like non-existent. Yeah, it's so genetically predetermined seemingly that you'll have guys who are top Olympia caliber bodybuilders and if they haven't had calves for their whole career...

They don't suddenly develop them even though they obviously know how to train and then people will shit on them and say "You have no calves bro, like learn how to train." It's like this is my job. Like do you think I don't know how to do a fucking calf raise? But they just won't grow? Yeah, like proportionally so. They lag behind significantly and it's pretty obvious when somebody has a lagging body part when they're on stage.

But it is like a very, very difficult area to locally, you know, if you don't have the genetics for it and the muscle bellies, it's very difficult to make a bad looking calf look good. It's weird because you get to go like John where everything else is pretty big.

He's got big chest, big arms. And this is not to say don't train calves because people get all riled up about skipping leg days and stuff. Well, especially for performance. You certainly need strong calf muscles for performance. So you can make them stronger. They just don't necessarily get aesthetically pleasing. Yeah, and there's definitely ways to optimally train them that maybe not everyone does. But in general, like...

It seems like if they're lagging behind for you, it's pretty difficult to bring them up. That's weird. What a weird body part. Yeah, yeah. It's like one of the worst offenders. Is there anything else like that? Any other body parts that are notoriously difficult to train? That's a good question. Probably, there's probably something that I'm not thinking of.

Neck, maybe? But that's pretty easy to train, actually. It's just not many people do it. Well, with neck, you've got to be careful, though. You know, I use an iron neck, which I really believe in. It's like the only thing that I've ever done that's strengthened my neck and not caused me any neck problems. Whereas I think those other ones, like, you know those things where you put, like, the leather helmet on with the chain? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's an unusual movement for your neck. And I think...

You could probably get away with it. I know a lot of wrestlers, including Mike Tyson, who fucked their neck up from neck bridges. Have you seen the F1 drivers' workout routines? No. Dude, pull up. Oh, they would have to have crazy necks. Oh, yeah. That's like what they do for their training, mostly, seemingly. Oh, you have to have a mad neck. They're just sitting there with a giant fucking contraption on their head, just like... Like an iron neck. Yeah. Yeah. But it seems even more intensive. Like it's...

Yeah, but see, what I'm saying is they're not bending the neck, right? So what they're doing is they're forcing their muscles to stabilize the neck as they're facing resistance, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But what they're not doing is bending all the way down and bending all the way up with weight, which I think is what's unusual. And I think that's just a weird strain on the discs.

And with a lot of guys, especially wrestlers, where they get strained from is like someone grabbing them with a collar tie and like pulling their head down and they get it real low. And then they're resisting that. You can fuck your neck up that way or fighting off a guillotine or a darts choke or a triangle where you're like really fucked up and distorted. You're resisting against it. You can fuck your neck up.

So what the Iron Neck does that I really like is you're rotating and you can adjust the resistance on the rotation. So you have this halo. You put it on your head. You pump it like a Reebok pump. And if form fits to your head, you put a chin strap on and then you back up. And so it's got a bungee cord. So a very stiff rubber cord. And as you're pulling back, you have a lot of resistance this way. And then you could rotate and

And then on the rotation, you can adjust the resistance. You can make it more difficult. But you're never doing any of this stuff. And I think this stuff is where, at least from what I've seen, people get hurt.

especially neck bridges neck bridges where your whole body oh i can imagine you're doing all this and you're rolling like tyson you ever seen tyson's neck bridge routine when he was younger no well tyson had a 20 inch neck yeah 20 inches you know crazy that is his neck would start at the top of his head when he was young i mean he had a fucking massive neck yeah but it's one of the reasons why he was also so good at taking a punch because his head didn't snap around like look

Look at his neck when he was young. That neck is crazy, dude. That's a crazy neck. It's like parallel with his head. Yeah, like, see, look at it. This is what he would do every day in training. Holy shit, that looks rough. But this wrestler bridge does strengthen your neck, but at a cost.

And I don't think it's at a cost for everybody. I think it probably can be done safely, but I think you probably have to scale up very slowly and very carefully and make sure that you have the supporting tissue and strength around that to not compromise your disc.

you know, like when you're in these reared positions. Like, you're never supposed to have all, you know, at least bridging with like 60% of your weight sideways on your neck like this and then roll it over to the side and then roll it over to the side while you're putting all the weight on the back of your head or on your forehead. That's just crazy. That's...

Yeah. Oh, yeah, I would. That looked fucking sketch, dude. Yeah. Well, Mike had to get neck surgery. Yoel Romero, like I said, had his whole neck fused. His neck doesn't, have you ever seen him run? No, but it probably looks hilarious. Find the video of Yoel Romero sprinting. It's nuts. His neck doesn't move. It's like this.

Like a robot. Like a Terminator. But it's also why Yoel can take crazy punishment. Like, Yoel got head kicked once by, I think it was Derek Brunson head kicked him, and he didn't even move. Like, look at him run. So his neck doesn't move. His entire neck is completely fused. And he has this giant scar on the back of his neck. He is a freak, though, dude. Did you ever get the impression that if he just, like, threw himself into the fire more in fights, he probably would have won a lot more? Yeah.

I don't know. I don't know if you can keep that kind of muscle mass and have the kind of cardio that you need to throw yourself into the fire more. Because it was kind of hard to tell if he was gassed sometimes. Right. And then he would all of a sudden burst out. Exactly. That Costa-Romero fight is still, to this day, one of my favorite fights ever. And I don't know, man. A lot of the Romero fights, it seems like...

If he just started swinging and going in there, that he might be able to take out a lot of dudes that he just let go to decision. Perhaps. But you have to know how much gas you have in the tank, and only he knows. And that style that he has is a style for someone who's very explosive. It's very smart. Because you don't just explode and keep going. You won't last. You'll last forever.

two minutes and then you'd be dead. Yeah. So what he does is like, he looks like so relaxed and then he explodes on you. And when he explodes on people, they don't see it coming because he's lulled you into this false sense of security by this slower speed that he moves at. Like, did you ever see his knockout of Chris Weidman? Yeah.

Probably. That's the perfect example of that. He caught Chris Wyman with a flying knee as Chris Wyman was coming in for a takedown. He just like lulled him into like, this is the speed we're moving at. We're going to move at this speed. This is how we're fighting. Oh, I'm dodging your punches. Oh, I'm dodging. Ah! And then out of nowhere, bam, he hits him with his flying knee and just destroys his head. I mean, it was one of the most brutal. Watch this. So see how he like moved? Boom! Oh, my God.

Yeah, I mean, literally his whole body back it up again so we can see that one more time, like before it happens. So they're fighting, he's got him on the ground, so here it is. So you see as he moves, he's not, boom, he just leaps into him. This is like a highlight thing. It's not showing the whole exchange, but in

the fight you know Weidman's very aggressive very tough and you know pushing a pace trying to get the takedowns Weidman likes to push a strong pace and really wear on guys and Yoel just was like kind of like move and relax and then out of nowhere he would just blow on you and that's what he did with Adesanya too like that was a very boring fight because Adesanya's like I see your fucking game I'm gonna stay out here and wait for you to charge in on me I'm gonna counterattack and Yoel was like come

Come on! Come fight me!" And he's like, "Uh-uh." I know what you're doing, because he exploded one time and caught Izzy with a left hand, like a powerful left hand. Izzy's like, "Oh, Jesus Christ." This guy moves so fucking fast when he wants to. But he can't really fight like that for five minutes for five rounds. He can't really just keep exploding. That's the problem with a guy like Conor McGregor. Conor McGregor was lethal for one or two rounds.

But then you get into the third, fourth, and fifth. There's so much fast twitch muscle fiber engagement. There's so much explosion. It's like constant sprinting. Has he ever knocked out a guy after round two even?

That's a good question. I don't know. I mean, he certainly could, right? I mean, he's not out of shape. I remember what you're saying, though. It was like the later rounds. It was so blatant. He was gassed. Well, he was so fast in the first couple of rounds. That was the thing. It's like, if he didn't

Fucking tune you up in those first couple rounds. If you were like Nate Diaz, some indestructible zombie, and then you get into the later rounds and you're fucking tired. Like, how is this guy still here? And then Nate is just like slapping you and beating you up. And Nate can push that 50% pace forever. Yeah.

Him and his brother were very good at that. They didn't really explode. They just would, like, touch you. They would just touch you all the time. And you can't breathe because you don't have the time to relax, right? So if he's constantly hitting you with punches that aren't that hard, you're like...

Because you're always like, because you don't know if these punches are going to be hard. And then he occasionally would mix them up with really hard shots. And so you always have to be ready for the hard shots so you never get to breathe. You never get to relax. So you're constantly on edge. And you just get worn out. And he's relaxing.

because he's just hitting you and touching you and he's talking shit to you. What, bitch? What, bitch? What's going on, bitch? And he keeps hitting you this like 50%, like literally like this, not really trying to hurt you at all, just constantly making you tense up and just drain your gas tank. That's crazy.

They seem relentless. Oh, dude. Well, his cardio, Nick Diaz especially, his cardio was insanity. He swam back from Alcatraz. He did it on five different occasions. In the ocean with great white sharks. What is it, like a mile and a half or something like that? In the fucking freezing cold Pacific Northwest Ocean? I don't know. How far is Alcatraz? How far is the swim?

They used to think you couldn't do it. They used to think no one could survive it. So that's why they put Alcatraz there. They put a prison out there, they're fucked. But a couple of guys did escape and they don't know what happened to them. They found their clothes at the beach and there's speculation that at least one guy survived it. But how are you going to train? You can't train to swim and then you're going to just swim for a mile and a half. Yeah. You're not going to make it. I don't know. What's cardio...

regimens in prison. I would have no idea. I mean, you could do cardio, but you're not going to recreate swimming without swimming. The resistance, the current, like all of it. And temperature regulation. Yeah. You're just not going to be able to recreate that unless you're doing it. And they're not going to let you practice. Like, guys, I'm just going to do laps around Alcatraz. Like, get the fuck out of here. How far is it, Jamie? Mile and a half. So a mile and a half in the fucking ocean.

With sharks. When was this that these prisoners escaped? Like, was this decades ago? It was a Clint Eastwood movie. Escape from Alcatraz. Did you see it? No. Yeah, it was a movie about the actual escape from Alcatraz. These guys had made a papier-mâché model of their face and, like, put some pillows and shit and threw a blanket over it. And the guards, when they would go to check, thought these guys were still in their bed. Meanwhile, they had tunneled a hole through the wall of the cell.

1979 film, Escape from Alcatraz, presented inconclusive conclusions. What does that mean? On one of the island's enduring mysteries, told the true story of three men, Frank Morris and the brothers Clarence and John Algin, Al Anglin, who made it out of the prison in June of 1962 and were never seen again. Nobody knows for sure whether they made good on their escape or drowned in the attempt.

True stories like that and others embellish tales of man-eating sharks and killer currents spread by prison guards as a deterrent contributed to the mythology of unassailable Alcatraz and the impossible swim. Well, it's definitely not impossible because Nick Diaz has done it five fucking times. But people do it all the time now. You know, it's like an endurance thing that people constantly do now. Someone did it 979 times.

He does it monthly. Oh, my God. What a fucking psycho. 979 times? That is rolling the dice on sharks, bro. And what happens when you... Like, Alcatraz is...

Still operating no no no okay. No it wasn't operating. Oh, it's like a tourist attraction Yeah, when I was a kid we went to visit it and with school they took when I lived in San Francisco They took us to Alcatraz our field trip was pretty cool You had to be in these prisons where all these people used to get it's very weird. No, it's why does shut down I don't know it's a good question. Why'd they shut Alcatraz down? Maybe when they figured out people could swim it Yeah, I mean

It's not unassailable. It's got to take a long time, though. A mile and a half in the ocean, how long does that take? Some people think it was because those guys got away, but it was because it was too expensive to continue operating. That makes sense, right? You've got to get all the supplies and out there by boat, by ferry. I don't even think they had that many prisoners there. But they had super dangerous ones there, right? Wasn't that the whole idea? It was all murderers.

I think it was like a super maximum security, like for the biggest psychos. They put him on Alcatraz. Yeah, what was that movie? I think Sean Connery movie as well. The Rock. Yeah, that's about that, right? Yeah. I think. Yeah, I think that was about it too.

Yeah, but guys who have extreme cardio, that's a real weapon. Power is important in the – well, it's always important. But cardio is one of the most important things because you just – when you get tired, you don't think right. You don't make good decisions properly.

And then you also – you're just not as effective. You're not going to scramble out of positions. You're going to relax a little, try to catch your breath. Like if you get taken down, you're not going to like completely exert –

Chuck Liddell said this to me once. He said, when guys get taken down, they accept the takedown. And the thing is, they get taken down and then they try to work their way back up to their feet. He goes, I never did that. When I got taken down, the moment my back touched the ground, it was like hot lava. And I just exploded immediately. I never let them hold me.

And that was the key to never getting taken down and held down is that the moment he's a really good wrestler as well, obviously, but the moment someone would take him down, he would never accept it. He would just, some guys accept it like, fuck, I got taken down. All right. You know, overhook under hook, you know, like control posture, work my full guard, try to get back up, try to buy time where I have enough energy to escape.

and figure out, am I going to try to sweep him? Am I going to try to pummel and try to get back up to my feet? Am I going to try to scoot back to the cage? A bunch of different strategies to try to get back up. But the thing is, when you're tired, you'll accept that takedown. And when you see guys accept the takedown and just pull full guard, that guy's fucking tired.

It was like the recent Oliveira fight. It was tough to watch some of the parts where it was just like, oh, you're on the ground now and you're fucked. Yeah, yeah. Well, that fight was crazy, huh? Yeah. Michael Chandler almost fucking had him in that fifth round. Almost had him. I mean, what a relentless motherfucker that guy is. Yeah. I mean, he was getting his ass kicked for four rounds and then finally almost fucks him up.

Yeah, yeah. It's crazy when it comes down to like, you know, do or die mode, how many times it almost turns around. Well, it's also crazy that a guy like him, who is pretty heavily muscled...

and is just such a fucking training machine that he has that ultimate gas tank even in the fifth round. Just explode. In the fifth round, he was going hard, which is why I always thought he was a super dangerous fight for Conor. Yeah, he almost seems like a better cardio, like,

Sean Shirk or something. Right. Well, Sean Shirk was one of the first guys who really did have crazy cardio. Did he? Yeah. I thought he was so... For the time. Okay. He was a fitness fanatic, like a conditioning fanatic, but...

There was a few guys, like Rich Franklin was a fitness fanatic too. They dedicated a significant amount of their time just to strength and conditioning, so they had this ultimate gas tank. But with Rich Franklin, the problem was his skill level was never going to compete with Anderson Silva. Anderson Silva was just a god at the time. I mean, in his prime, when he was like 34 years old, he was fucking unstoppable. Yeah.

The athleticism differential between everyone and him was obscene. It was skill, too. He had the ability to let punches get right here, and he would just move his head slightly and then bang, crack you. All your momentum is coming in, and he would counter you.

And he was just so skillful. And he was like a computer. He would, the first minute of the round, first fight, like first round of the fight, you would see him moving around and just like trying things on you and just sort of downloading your movements and what you're capable of. He would see you swing like, okay, I got that. Okay, I'll do a little of this. I'll kick him a couple of times. And then by the end of the round, he's like, okay, motherfucker. And then you'd see him like...

Like the Yushin Okami fight is a great example of that. By the end of the first round, he head kicks Okami and drops him. He just starts tuning him up. He gets what you can do. He's like, you can't do it. I do. And then he just starts turning it on. Yeah, some of those fights back in the day just felt like a ticking time bomb for whoever he was facing. Yep. People forget.

The thing about fighters when they fight past their prime is you get these guys like Anderson that fight into their 40s and you remember them from their later fights. You don't remember them when they were unstoppable. Like when Anderson was in his prime, he's one of the greatest fighters that's ever lived. Oh, yeah, for sure. Have you seen that UFC interview where they like accidentally showed, I think it was like HGH in the background? He opened his fridge. What are you eating? Oh, I'm eating growth. Yeah.

He's popped for some dumb shit, too, if I recall correctly. Well, did you ever see his coach, his weightlifting coach? Probably when I was looking into it, but I'm assuming he's yoked out of his fucking mind. The dude was like 65 years old and built like Yoel Romero. Oh, my God. See if you can find Anderson Silva's strength and conditioning coach.

I mean, there was no way. There's just no way. That guy knows what to take. There's no way. He was in his 60s. Fucking jacked. I mean, just super jacked. Like, that's him. Oh, Jesus. Yeah. Look at Anderson's face. It's a perfect picture. I mean, look at that dude. That dude's in his 60s. Mean mugging. Yeah.

Tainted supplements likely cause a failed test, not what's in my fridge. Look at the size of that guy in his 60s. So obviously he knows what to take. Yeah. That guy knows some stuff. So Chandler, you said good match for Conor. Is that ever happening? I don't know if Conor's ever going to fight again. What's happening with his, he just got like the civil suit or whatever and he's being dropped by all his companies or something. Yeah.

You know, I don't know the real details of that case. I know his version of it and her version of it and what played out in the court.

But the reality is that guy's partying and he's partying real hard. And he talked about it in the court case. You know, he's talking about cocaine. Like that was the whole thing that we're all doing cocaine and we're fucking. Dude, some of his interviews you can tell he is out of it. Allegedly. He seems at least excited. Dude, have you seen the Jake Gyllenhaal and Connor interview for Roadhouse? And he's just fucking tweaking the whole time. He seems like he's tweaking. And Jake's just like.

I can't imagine he wasn't thinking, what are you doing, dude? Right, right. You know, it's funny. Shane Gillis has a great bit about Conor McGregor in Roadhouse. He goes, Conor McGregor basically played a coked out Conor McGregor in Roadhouse. That's so accurate. And Shane does like a Conor impression, so it's fucking hilarious. Like, ah! I mean, he likes coke. Yeah. But I think there's another issue to talk about, and that is that...

A lot of fighters, when they've sustained a significant amount of damage over the course of their career, and there's no way to not get that, right? We've all seen Conor get beat up and knocked out. We've seen Conor's sparring footage. He spars pro boxers. He's sparring elite fighters. You're getting hit in the head a lot. And a lot of fighters, especially towards the end of their career, turn to drugs.

And I think there's probably like a constant state of discomfort that they live in where their dopamine levels are all fucked up. Their cortisol levels are all fucked up. Their body's just...

you're not supposed to get punched in the head a thousand times a year. It's just not supposed to happen. And that's the reality of consistent training. So if you think about consistent training, like say you and me are sparring and we meet at the gym three times a week and we spar three times a week. And let's say we spar five rounds three times a week, five rounds of five minutes each. You might hit me 15, 20 times a round.

Then we're doing that three times a week and we're doing that over and over and over again And it's not even this is the thing people say. Oh you spar light sure sure sparring light is important, but Subconcussive trauma to the head is what causes soccer players to get CTE Now soccer players are getting CTE from a soccer ball. I've bounced a soccer ball. I played soccer when I was a kid that doesn't hurt I

But that, that thump, that's giving you CTE. People who ride jet skis get CTE. Wow. Do you know that? No, I didn't know that. My friend Mark Gordon, who is an expert in traumatic brain injury-

And he works at the Wounded Warrior Foundation. I think he works with them. Oh, Angel Warrior Foundation. He works with a lot of veterans that suffer from CTE and uses a lot of hormone replacement to help them because a lot of it is damage to the pituitary gland. Your endocrine system gets fucked up from breaches, explosions, blown up in IEDs, all those kind of things like that.

Those guys are fucked. Like the inside of their brain is fucked. And there's a bunch of different therapies they apply to that. But the bottom line is that it's not just getting knocked out. It's just getting thumped a lot. Just thumped in training. So if we're sparring, you know, we're friends. If we're sparring, I wouldn't hit you hard. I'd hit you like that. I wouldn't try to kill you. I'd hit you like that. But that over and over again, you're going to get brain damage. Fat.

No ifs, ands, or buts about it. You're going to get brain damage. And if you're doing that over the course of a 10, 15-year career, think about all those camps, all those rounds, all those times you sparred. And not just sparred that way. How many collisions? How many times have I been...

with doing jujitsu. You accidentally butt heads. You accidentally take a knee to the head. You accidentally take an elbow to the head. It's constant. So you've got consistent trauma to your fucking dome over and over and over again. And then you get a little bit of coke, a little bit of coke, and you're feeling good again. Ah!

I bet I bet you know you get addicted to it and the guy obviously likes extreme things right Which is why such a great fighter. They're wild people. It's why John Jones like cocaine - they're fucking wild people They want to fight you know they want to fight in a cage for a living that's how they literally feed themselves by beating the fuck out of skilled people and

Yeah, I can imagine something like the brain cell death that literally occurs could almost result in a perpetual state of you now need drugs to achieve baseline even to feel normal. There's a drug I didn't mention earlier, but it's worth mentioning. You said what's not being tested for that's useful. In fighters, something called cerebrolysin is used to offset brain damage after fights and not being tested for by WADA yet. How does it work?

Uh, it's like one of the only sources of active NGF and BDNF that you can actually get an effect out of seemingly. So like brain derived, uh, forget what the NF sounds for, but it's something that could be, um, basically, uh,

grow new brain cells essentially. Whoa. Yeah. Or offset deterioration as well during, after fighting. Why would you not let people take that? That seems like that should be standard. That should be given to everybody like vitamins. Yeah. Yeah. It's the pipeline of it getting through a

clinical, like getting a clinical application, it's still in experimental phases. So I could see why it hasn't been getting widespread recognition. And for all we know, it's not going to prove to be super effective, but at least anecdotally from people I know who've used it, highly effective for neurogenesis. Yeah. What about somebody who doesn't have brain damage, just wants to get really smart? Yeah. Tough call.

I think that might work, right? Yeah, a lot of people even nowadays are exposing themselves to things that make them stupider, too. So it might even become an adjunct kind of like preventative therapy.

Right. Yeah, sure. And it's like sometimes not even purposefully that you're doing things that make you stupider. It's just like... Like what kind of things would you describe? I don't know. Like if you have kids, you're never getting good sleep or you're somebody who's constantly on stimulants, which you could argue is, you know, bad lifestyle or whatever. But, you know, there are certain things that are going to kill brain cells and just

aging in general. Have you seen the studies on creatine and performance with sleep deprivation? Very interesting. Another thing that not being tested for, which I don't think it should be, but like creatine at adequate doses, interestingly for years, we've all been told take your five grams and you're good.

But what's often not talked about is the fact that that dosage is not going to be widespread, the optimal one for every single person. You will likely achieve muscle saturation with that dose, but it doesn't mean you're going to get the full suite of benefits depending on your genetics, how much you weigh, muscle mass, metabolism. Right, five grams for a 140-pound person versus a 240-pound person. Yeah, so like some studies have found increased benefits up to like 20 grams a day. Wow.

Yeah. And if your GI can tolerate it, it could be worth trying to see if you get an effect out of 10 grams and then elevate from there. Do you take it? Oh, yeah. I take it in gummy form. That's hard to get an adequate dose, though. How is that? Well, how many gummies do you need to take to get five? I take six. It says take three. I take six. Well, let's see what the dose is. Go to try create. I take those two. It's 1.5 per gummy, I think. Okay. So I'm taking seven, eight.

So some of the most recent studies are in like elderly women taking 20 grams. Whoa. Yeah. I'll start doing that. Start with like 10. See if your GI tolerates it. I have no problem with creatine. I used to think it made my face fat, but I think I was just eating too much pasta. I think one of the problems with gummies is oftentimes they're less likely to meet label claims.

Oh, really? I don't know if that's like a third-party rigorously tested product or not, but something to be cautious of. Right. And then there's two types, right? There's creatine monohydrate, and then there's another creatine. What is the other one? There's different formats, but some are like HCL is essentially just bound to HCL instead of monohydrate, which could be more tolerable for somebody who gets GI distress from monohydrate. Okay.

Thought to be, you know, water solubility and other things. But in general, monohydrate is the one that has the most literature supporting it, is tried and true, is cheaper, easier to access. Isn't there some other stuff, H-something, that you take in combination with it? Betaine, HCL, maybe? Yeah.

HMN? What the hell is it? HMB? HMB, yeah, that's it. What is that? That's, I believe, a metabolite of leucine, which is, like, very... Basically stimulates mTOR. So could be useful for, I think, people who are not getting a sufficient amount of protein in their diet and need something to stimulate mTOR for adequate muscle protein synthesis. So, like...

like, I don't know, older people who don't get enough protein, for example. Right. It has shown efficacy. It's just the situations and contextually where it is the most effective is going to be somebody who is not eating enough protein. But it's like how many people are eating enough protein as well. Right. Yeah. Some studies have found that, you know, upwards of one gram per pound of body weight per day could be beneficial, and most people aren't getting that. My diet is almost entirely protein.

Yeah. Yeah, my diet is mostly meat. It's pretty fucking hard to get your body weight and protein per day if you're not supplementing with protein. You're just eating meat and, like, animal-derived sources. And then even harder if you're a vegetarian, too. If you're just eating meat and animal-derived sources, it's hard? Yeah.

For I think for a lot of people to get high quality Just if you're gonna eat over I don't know a pound and a half to two pounds of meat a day like you could hit your needs pretty easily I do that easy. Yeah, but that's not like a typical person I would say that's most most of my meals are meat. Okay, like my breakfast today. I ate like a pound of elk Yeah, that was my breakfast. So what I do is I meal prep for the week on Sunday, so I'll take out of my freezer I take a bunch of elk steaks. Mm-hmm

And I put them on the Traeger. I slow cook them at like 265 degrees until I get them to the proper internal temperature. And then I sear them. I cut them up. And then I put them in like a glass container and put them in my refrigerator. And then I pull it out whenever I want to eat. So you have how much meat per day?

Multiple pounds. Multiple? Yeah. Cooked weight? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. Yeah. I probably eat at least three pounds of meat a day. Hmm. Yeah. You might be getting... I forget how many pounds of meat you need to saturate creatine stores, or at least the equivalent of five grams, but...

You'd probably still benefit from trying supplementing more. Well, I do take those gummies. Like I said, I take six of those a day. But maybe I'm going to take— I get the powder, bro. I'm going to take 20 gummies and see what happens. We'll see what happens. Half your calories, gummies, and breast meat.

Yeah, let's see what's up. They don't seem to make you, they don't upset my stomach at all. It makes you wonder if there's actually creatine in it then. Wow. I've never had an upset stomach from creatine. I've taken it in the past. But I'm taking it now more consistently than I've ever taken it before. Because with the gummies, it's so easy. I keep it in the gym. I just bust it open. Yeah. Eat some of them. Yeah, yeah. They taste good too.

One of the most slept on supplements for sure. I think it kind of got, I don't know, like not as much attention as it deserves. Maybe more recently it's gotten a bit more hype because of some of the literature around its cognitive effects and whatnot. But it's like super useful for...

Myriad of things what is the mechanism for giving you a cognitive? Enhancing benefit. I think it's thought to be like local energy production in the brain so some people genetically or as they age or what have you have deficiencies and the capacity to produce ATP and if you can like backfill it with like a readily available source of phosphocreatine then you could

basically get it to baseline of where it should be. It makes you wonder, like people that are on a vegan diet, like what are their creatine levels like? Oh, not good enough for sure. There's no way, right? No, it's impossible. Even if you're somebody who eats a lot of meat, you might think you're good. But unless you're eating multiple pounds a day, it's unlikely that you've saturated stores. Well, that's like one of the more insidious things about dieting.

these people that are proselytizers who are trying to get people to become vegan and they'll one of the things that they say is that it'll improve your athletic performance which is like straight horseshit like I don't know of any elite athlete at the very top of any sport that's a vegan do you?

No. I know some IFBB pros who are vegan, but they do a lot to optimize their diets that requires special protein supplements and this and that. And a massive amount of steroids. Yeah, a lot of them are dope, too. Yeah, that helps. Yeah, there are definitely successful people who thrive, I think, doing vegan diets, but oftentimes it is more meticulous in the planning needed to...

like actually make it so you could thrive on it as opposed to like if you're eating enough red meat and whatnot like you sort of you can be stupid and still cover your bases essentially right yeah so the difference between uh one thing is like if someone say well a pound of broccoli will equal you know x amount of steak in terms of the amount of protein that's but it's not

the same bioavailability. Yeah, like the amino acid composition is not going to be the same and it might not even stimulate muscle protein synthesis to the capacity that is needed to actually be anabolic. So...

Like some vegans, I would assume, might actually benefit from supplementing with like essential amino acids on top of their meals just because they're not hitting a leucine threshold. Right. And that's where like an HMB also could maybe have use as well. And is creatine, is it sourced in a vegan way or is any of it derived from animal sources? That's a good question.

I'm not sure. But if you can make testosterone from soy, I think protein you could probably get. It's pretty crazy what they can synthesize. Oh, dude, yeah. You would never think that's where you get it from, right? Yeah. Well, it just takes so many brilliant people working in so many different capacities to create all the stuff that we have available right now.

Yeah, like some dude took a fucking yam and was like, hey, these chemicals look similar to these chemicals that we make in our balls. Let's tweak it and let's sell it to people as testosterone. Yeah, I don't even know. And it works. Yeah. That's what's nuts. It's super effective. Yeah. Yeah. It's very strange that it's also kind of derided, that people look down upon it. Why would you look down upon anything, especially if you're an older person? Why would you look down upon it?

It's going to make you feel better. Yeah. No, I think more awareness is coming to it, but also in women for HRT, which is, you could argue, even more of a necessity than at least with men. A lot can maintain residual weight.

Hormone production to some capacity that could sustain good health long term but with women once you hit menopause like you are guaranteed to have like a complete cessation of estrogen and progesterone production yeah to where you are guaranteed putting your brain and heart in Danger if you don't replace those hormones Wow. Yeah

So it's almost like, I don't know, like unwinding some of the shitty information that was put out decades ago. That's the thing for women. There was a lot of shitty information put out about hormone replacement. Yeah.

Yeah, it's, I think it was the Women's Health Initiative. They had some study that showed like a relative risk increase in breast cancer or something to the tune of some negligible insignificant amount. And they were also using synthetic drugs as opposed to bioidentical. So it'd be like the equivalent of me putting you on Deca and then being like, oh, well, you got cancer, so testosterone sucks. Right.

Which is fucking ridiculous. Yeah. So they were using like horse piss derived estrogens or something and then like some shady progestin and determining, oh, HRT is bad because of some also relatively insignificant increase in

Cancer risk which at least it to date in bioidentical hormones. We have not seen play out and The upside far outweighs the risk seemingly that we can see right now. It's just not really Permeated the I don't know like masses yet Well think about how many fucking people on testosterone replacement therapy and how few of them you know that have problems. I

I don't know of anybody that has a problem with it. I know of so many people that have been enhanced by it and they feel so much better. They have so much more energy, more life. Yeah.

Yeah, it's super impactful. And for women, too, like, no more hot flashes while you're sleeping. Your bones aren't going to degrade at the same rates. Like, your brain is not... Like, Alzheimer's rates in women are, like, 2x that of men. Really? It's definitely intertwined with menopause shutting off their hormones. Wow. Yeah. There's so much shit information out there. That's what's fucked. When you hear about studies that, like...

When the sugar industry funded those studies to demonize saturated fat because they were trying to say that saturated fat was causing heart attacks and not sugar. When you see about – and I think they only –

paid them like $50,000 or something crazy. Oh my God. You don't know that? Well, I didn't know it was 50 grand. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure it's like $50,000 and it ruined everybody. Not that if it was a bigger amount of money, it would be fine. But I mean, it's just shocking how little it was. If they paid them 50 million, you'd be like, well, you know, you're unethical. But hey, if somebody offered me 50 million, who knows what I would do.

No, $50,000, and these motherfuckers ruined people for decades and decades. Some dildo wanted a portion, just ruined the fucking food pyramid. Well, it's like they've—here it is. Yep, there it is. 50 years ago, sugar industry quietly paid scientists. They wound up paying approximately $50,000 in today's dollars for the research. So it's even less than $50,000. So it's $50,000 today. So 50 years ago, that's probably like $10,000.

Yeah. They paid him 10 grand. These motherfuckers ruined everyone's health. Yeah. Got people taking margarine. Thrill. Being scared of butter and eggs and meat. Damn, dude. Crazy. Yeah.

So your diet is just meat. Yeah, mostly. What about fruit? I eat fruit. Yeah. Yeah, I love fruit. Because you've been like cycling back and forth between. I like fruit before I work out. I like fruit after I work out sometimes. You know, I like fruit, but I very rarely eat vegetables unless I want to.

Like if some asparagus and it's looking good, I'll have some asparagus. You know what I mean? Like if I see some Brussels sprouts, I eat it for taste. Sort of like I think of it like pasta except not as bad for you. I think of it as like, oh, that would probably taste good. I'd like to eat some of that. I don't think of it as like this is like nutrition and fuel. So when I eat for nutrition and fuel, it's eggs and steak. That's 90 plus percent of my diet.

Have you been following the boxing gold medal debacle? First of all, XY chromosome, case closed. And this is what the Enhanced Game wants to do. So the Enhanced Games, they're developing this...

Olympic style event and they're spending a lot of money on it. They have a lot of big investors and they're going to give real prizes like a million dollars if you win the gold medal instead of zero which is what the Olympics gives. And I asked them I'm like how are you going to address like trans athletes and they said we think we're going to do chromosomes.

Yeah, yeah. Which is really the only way to do it politically correct. Yeah. You know, you don't say this is not a woman. You say, what are your chromosomes? If we forget it, ma'am, what are your chromosomes? X, Y. Ma'am, you got to be in the X, Y box. Get over there. But I identify as a woman. Get over there.

Get over there. Apparently they used to do sex testing in the Olympics in the 90s, I believe. They stopped doing it. And then since then, it's been like these weird, nuanced scenarios with, oh, is your testosterone level looking male or whatever? And, you know, it gets nuanced with the type of, like, disorder you have because some are far more advantageous than others. And if this medical report that was leaked of this boxer is true...

It's basically the worst offender of the disorders you could have because it's basically like a 5-alpha reductase deficiency is basically just depriving your body of DHT. But if you have internal testes making testosterone, you still have the full functional capacity of a male to build muscle and bone and all the psychoactive effects and all that. Yeah, lung size, heart size. Now, to be determined, which I think that that athlete should –

go get the testing to actually disprove it if it was true or if it wasn't true. But they would have already done that.

Where there's smoke, there's fire. I think too many people are calling you a man. There's this one case of there was that runner who- Chastor Samania? Right. So that's a very different thing. No, that was potentially the same thing. Really? Yeah. XY chromosome? Had internal testes, XY chromosomes, 5-alpha reductase deficiency, and had the testosterone levels of a male because of the internal testes. Oh, Jesus. And you-

you might grow up thinking that you are female because you haven't had adequate sexual differentiation and maturation from the lack of DHT. So it's almost like the equivalent of putting a

a kid at birth on like a mega dose of finasteride or dutasteride and wiping out their DHT. So they still grow up with male level muscle development from the testosterone, but no masculine, not sufficient masculinization to differentiate you and mature you completely from the DHT. Well, let's see what is the latest on this. So let's find out what is the leaked story on this boxer. Yeah.

And find out, like, has anybody analyzed this? Is there any, like, conclusion that anybody's drawn? I don't think so. I think it's still, is the leaked report legit or not? The story I could find, this is November 6th. Confirms Olympic boxing champion launching legal action over medical allegation. But this is just about the legal. No, no, I was looking for any story about it, having updated information. This was the most recent story was written. And anything else was from October.

Where it was saying that she's not— She's also saddened by the abuse she has received. Do you think they'll go back and edit this if it turns out she's a man? He's saddened by the abuse that he's received. It was about the claims that they were stripped of their title or their gold medal. Oh, well, that's not true. No, they haven't been stripped. So if they're suing over that, they can actually win that lawsuit. Oh, they're suing over something in the French media because they've gotten—

And I feel like the Olympic Committee probably has to lean into, you know, the whole politically correct angle of it, too, to not get the scrutiny of you let this person punch women in the head. Of course. Of course. Yeah. She'd never felt a punch like this. So what? We have all sports, too. Yeah. Fucking fighting people. Yeah. It's pretty crazy. But so what is the leaked report, Jamie? Find out what the leaked report is.

Excuse me. The leaked report on this person is. That's what this has to do with, I think. I understand what it has to do with it, but find out what the actual leak report is. Like, what is the leak report? Oh, Jesus. I think it was the basically assessment of. Internal testicles. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. French journalist. But it's been, there's been multiple studies or multiple articles written saying that this person has XY chromosomes. That was a supposed failed gender eligibility test from some organization that. Yeah. International Boxing Association did not allow her to participate in 2023 World Championships after she failed gender eligibility test. But

but the International Olympic Committee did authorize her presence at Paris 2024. But here's the thing, like, is this, when they say the International Olympic Committee did authorize, what are they, by what? Yeah, this is the crazy thing, is apparently their criteria was that you are female on your passport. Oh. But it's like, you know, if you look female at birth, you easily could if you have this disorder, right?

Didn't Dylan Mulvaney change their passport to a female? Probably. Did they? Find out. Can you change your passport to female if you're transgender? I think you can.

I don't know if Dylan Mulvaney did it. It's a low barrier, too. You just have a fucking ID piece that says you're female, therefore we're going to ignore testes. Like, what the fuck? The whole thing is so crazy. This is one of the weirder aspects, and the reason why people harp on it so much. Why is everybody so obsessed with trans? This is why. Because it's bizarre. No medical documentation. You do not need to provide medical documentation to change your gender marker.

So this is for on U.S. passport. You can select M for male, F for female, or X for unspecified or another gender identity. So you could have X on your passport. I think I'm going to get that. So no medical documentary. So I could be a female. I could just say I'm a female, show up with a full beard.

Genetic marker you select doesn't need to match your gender on your citizenship evidence or photo ID So the reason why this works is I don't know what's going on inside you. I don't know how you feel I'm I could be arrogant and Completely not compassionate and I could just decide that you're just full of shit You're a guy or you could be in agony of

Going through life, feeling like a woman and not understanding why you have a dick. I think there's that too. But like I talked about in my comedy special, perverts disappeared like the flu during COVID. Like they don't exist anymore. Like a guy in a dress who gets a hard on going into the women's room is a woman now.

They used to be psychos. It used to be like Norman Bates in the movie Psycho, dressed up like his mom, Silence of the Lambs, puts the lotion in the basket. It was like, if you wanted to make someone in a movie scarier, you put them in a dress.

He took a psycho killer, you made him dress like a woman, like, oh, this guy's fucking crazy. And then somewhere we just decided that doesn't exist anymore. And so there's no perverts. And so anyone who just says they're a woman gets to go in the women's room, go in the women's locker, play in women's sports, and you're completely ignoring this subset of society that has always been fucking terrifying to people.

Creepy guys who dress up like women, who pretend to be women, are just perverts. They just want to sneak around women's room and smell their shit. There's people that are out of their mind, and you've given them a hall pass. Yeah, I could empathize with somebody who

didn't know, and then became aware of it. And then once they became aware of it, they stopped competing. It would suck for everyone involved, obviously, but I could understand how shitty of a predicament that is. Yes. But it's like the onus is on you once you've been assessed to not compete anymore and to confirm what the fuck is going on. Yeah, go fight guys. Yeah. And it's like even if you're at a disadvantage, like...

Well, it doesn't mean you fight girls at your advantage. Exactly. Yeah. If you're a disadvantaged fighting guys, you probably shouldn't be fighting. Yeah. Like how many girls are transitioning and then fighting men or competing against men? Zero. Well, also, here's the other argument. There is a spectrum, right? So there are guys with naturally lower testosterone than a guy like, say, Yoel Romero. Yoel Romero has an advantage over almost everybody.

You know, when it comes to like genetics, he's just like a fucking specimen from God. Right. So you have that, which is the rarest of rare. Right. And then you have a guy like, you know, fill in the blank. There's like a bunch of fighters in the UFC. I don't want to disparage anybody, but there's a bunch of guys. You look at me like that's not a specimen, but super tough, super technical, works real hard, very intelligent in their approach. And they managed to fight really well. But.

But if they go up against a guy who's a freak, just a physical freak, and that guy works just as hard and is just as intelligent and just as methodical in their training, they're going to have an advantage. Just a natural God-given advantage. Just the universe has kissed them with genetics. And those people exist, man. And so you can't say, well, then that guy should be able to fight women now because he can't beat Yoel Romero. That's stupid. That's fucking stupid. And it's also you're not protecting women.

I thought that the left was all about protecting women. Like this was the whole thing about progressives protect people that are like not as safe. Like I don't generally worry about women raping me. Hmm.

Never. Never in my life have I been in a bar and go, boy, I hope some woman doesn't try to rape me. I hope some woman doesn't try to root for me and get my dick hard. No one ever thinks that way. But women walk through life worrying about getting roofied or getting raped or getting dragged into an alleyway. They worry about that. Guys don't worry about that. It's just a completely different dynamic.

So when you're comparing like trans this and trans that, like there's not a guy I've ever talked to in my life that doesn't, that is even remotely concerned with a trans man going into the men's room. Yeah. I don't give a fuck if like, what's that person that was Chaz Bono, Chaz Bono, Sonny Bono's daughter that became a man. Mm hmm.

Chaz can come into the men's room. I don't give a fuck. It doesn't even freak me out at all. If Chaz is in the men's room and I have a two-year-old son with me that I have to take into the bathroom, go to the bathroom, I'm not worried about Chaz Bono. But I am worried about a pervert.

If I was a guy and I had a daughter and she was like 10 years old and she went into the women's room and then I saw a man with a fucking 5 o'clock shadow and a wig on go into the bathroom behind her and I couldn't go in the women's room and see what's going on.

I go, "I don't know. That might just be a really kind person who identifies as a woman and happens to have a beard, or it could be a complete fucking psycho, which are real things. And by being this compassionate person, I'm supposed to ignore the reality of psychos."

That's crazy. Yeah. This is where it becomes like a cult. Like, this is where it becomes like you're indoctrinated into this very rigid ideology that you can't stray from at all. And if you do, you're cast out of the kingdom forever. You're a heretic. You're a terrible person. Yeah, fucked up, man. It's... I don't really know. Even the scrutiny on it, I don't really know how they...

Don't acknowledge how absurd it is like it's when you watch people defend it. They have to do mental Gymnastics yeah, it just you ever see that conversation that I had with Adam Conover about it. No oh oh It was one of the most brutal conversations of all time is about trans women in sports and so this is like a debate Well, I didn't turn out to be it wasn't planned out It just it just came about because he was doing you know he's just

We were talking about it and it got to the subject of trans women competing and his position was like I'm in favor of a sport that's more inclusive so if that makes it more inclusive for the trans woman and he was like in favor of hormone blockers for children that they've always known that they're a woman like what the fuck are you you don't have any kids you don't know what kids are like you can tell your kid that they're a werewolf like stay keep away from the full moon you're a werewolf oh I always knew like the

They're kids. Their brain's not formed. And also, they want to please you. How many fucking Hollywood psychos have trans kids? How many people where they fly the flag of inclusivity and they're a proud progressive and I'm proud that I have a queer child?

How much of that is your influence? Is it 0%? Because I bet it's not. I bet there's some sort of reinforcement of that. It's just like the numbers are so extraordinary. When you have parents that have three trans kids, you're like, what? Three? What are the odds of that? And you're nuts? You're a nutty actress and you have three trans kids? What's going on here?

And you're not allowed to say it. If you say anything, you say, oh, this person who's clearly mentally ill might actually be mentally ill and might actually have Munchausen syndrome. You know, like they might be doing something terrible to their child because they're just fucking nuts and they want a trans kid. Like, so they could fly it as a, they could put their pride flag on their fucking front door and they feel like a better person. There are people like that. And then there are also people that are just compassionate people that want people to be free and do whatever you want. They want you to have complete freedom to express yourself. I don't care if I

Guy wears a dress. Wear a dress, man. If that's what you like, I don't care. You want to paint your nails, want to have lipstick on. I don't give a fuck. Have a good time. I want you to be happy. I'll be your friend. Just don't try to compete against women in sports. That's fucking nuts. And don't try to make women uncomfortable by walking with your dick out in the women's locker room.

How about the guy in Canada that's 50 years old that identifies as a teenage girl and was competing in young girls swimming? And they allowed him? Because Canada, like you know, you live there. Off the rails. You live in a communist shithole. That place is nuts. And they allow some of the most bananas trans stuff of all time. On taxpayer money in Canada, they paid for a guy to develop breast milk.

Do you know about this story? No. Oh, yeah. Has an adopted child paid for them, paid for this person to lactate. Imagine the toxic milk that's coming out of this man's tit. Oh, horrendous. Like, what is in there? Like, what are you generating? You don't even have the glands for it. Like, what's actually being secreted there? What is that? Yeah. It's like if you asked me, would it be glycogen?

Good milk quality from some guy on trend or deca and he's just fucking secreting shit of his nipples. I'm like fuck No, dude, fuck. No, like what is happening? What is in that milk? What is that gonna do to the baby that's sucking on it and all in the name of inclusive inclusivity?

All in the name of being a kind, compassionate, open-minded person. That's not open-minded. That's nuts. And it's cowardly. Because you're afraid to say what you know to be true because you don't want to suffer the repercussions. You don't want to be called a transphobe, whatever the fuck that means. You don't want to be called a bigot. You don't want to be called any of these things. So you'll go along with some of the most preposterous ideas, including pretending that perverts don't exist.

Yeah. I hope, I don't know if Pierre is going to get into winning the election and get Trudeau out, but seems like a reasonable guy. Well, he seems way more reasonable than Trudeau, who seems completely insane. Yeah. And like, candidly, I'm not like a political expert by any fucking means at all. So don't take anything I'm saying seriously. Apparently last time I was here, people thought I was like Biden, not Trump.

saying anything about it. I was like endorsing Trudeau or something. By not saying anything about it? I don't know. There was like comments about how like Derek knows better. He knows who this Pierre guy is. I'm like, no, I just don't follow this shit like I should probably. Yeah. So, but he, yeah, he seems reasonable and in contrast to Trudeau who's like a fucking...

Full-on lunatic. Full-on lunatic who's completely changed his tune on so many different things, including going after guns, what they did with the trucker strike. Yeah, like the debanking thing you guys talked about recently. It's like not new news in Canada. I know. Well, they did it to people who donated to the trucker convoy, which is really crazy. So you just say, hey, these people shouldn't be mandated to get a vaccine that has a safety profile that's really like a...

We don't really know yet. There's no long-term studies. We don't really know what's going to happen. And you're just like mandating this? Yeah. Why? Why? I don't have to do it. Why are you making me do it? It turned out you really didn't have to do it. So this is what's turned out now. You know, was it the – here, I'll send it to you, Jamie. So they released a study –

recently where the actual government went and looked over here. I'll say this. So they went and looked over what the actual results were from the pandemic and the findings are,

They're, you know, not that shocking to anybody who was actually paying attention, but completely contrary to what the instructions were when we were young and this or when, you know, COVID was recent rather. So COVID-19, this is the House released a 500 page report on COVID-19 pandemic key findings. COVID-19 likely originated from a lab related incident in Wuhan, China. Crazy. You get banned from YouTube for saying that. Banned. Okay.

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Yeah, man. In Canada, the lockdowns were pretty absurd. I know here they were dependent on the state and whatever, but Canada was like, get your vaccines or you're not leaving to go anywhere. Yeah. Crazy. Fucked up. Did you have to take it? Yeah, dude. Fucking sucked. Did you have a side effect? No. Well, at least that I could tell. Did you ever do a D-dimer test? Yeah. It's normal. Oh, that's good. Yeah.

Well, from what I understand, I talked to a friend of mine who's very knowledgeable in this, and he said that one of the real problems was the lack of aspiration, that they didn't aspirate when they injected people. Even when they did Biden on television, they just jammed that thing into his arm and shot it in there. So is it supposed to stay local or something? The idea about it was it's supposed to stay local, right? It's supposed to stay local. But apparently there's been...

If you talk to Brett Weinstein, a bunch of other people, there's a lot of debate as to whether or not it is ever local, that they've been able to find the evidence of the spike protein all throughout the body. The issue, though, was if you didn't aspirate and you went right into a blood vessel. So that could be the cause of myocarditis, all these different neurological conditions, all these different things.

So the lipid nanoparticles and this vaccine gets in your system, your body reacts to it like it's being attacked, right? Well, if it gets to the heart, your heart doesn't heal, right? Which is why your heart doesn't get cancer. Your heart scars. Like your liver heals. Your liver regenerates. You could lose half your liver. You know you can donate half your liver to someone and it'll grow back in weeks? Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. The liver's resilient. It's nuts. But your heart's not like that. So the heart scars over and it leads to enlargement of the heart, myocarditis, pericarditis. So this is the thought. This is what my friend told me, who's a very intelligent person, I want to name him. But he said that the real issue is that they didn't aspirate. And a significant number of people that are experiencing these long-term issues from the vaccine, it's because it went right into their bloodstream when it was supposed to be intramuscular. Yeah, there is...

several times now because as especially if you're on TRT you're probably more understanding of how to inject yourself almost than somebody who's like a random pharmacist that just jamming people as fast as they want every single day just as part of their gig and you're kind of risking it if you just let somebody else pin you like sometimes you feel like being like hey can I do this right yeah right but

But even then, like if you jam it into your arm, it's possible that you could hit a blood vessel. Yeah. Have you ever heard of Trenkoff? I have. What is that? Yeah. So it's thought to be that if you get into like you nick a vein or something or you like hit a blood vessel, for example, and you get some of it bleeding immediately into systemic circulation rather than being intramuscular entirely. Yeah.

It goes very quickly up to your lungs and you basically have a coughing fit get induced by your body trying to like expel whatever is there. And so like I could absolutely see something that wasn't meant to go immediately into systemic circulation being more problematic. Like with Trenkoff, I've experienced it personally back in the day. This is like one of the most sobering things about bodybuilding is like,

If you get Trenkoff, it's like the most pathetic scenario you'll ever find yourself in because you're just this muscle-bound dude who just injected yourself with, like, cattle steroids. And you're just looking at yourself in the mirror, hacking up a lung, sweating your fucking face off. Like, what am I doing with my life?

And you can't get around it other than just, like, cough along for three minutes. It takes three minutes for it to go away? It depends, but, like, how much you have and all this, a bunch of stuff. But, yeah, it's, like, basically, if it happens, you can feel it coming on. You just, like, fucking brace yourself on the sink, and you can get ready to hack up a lung for a few minutes. Jesus. And is it...

a consistent thing or is it a one-time thing like right after injection or is it something that recurs? It's after injection but it's like you know who knows what that does once you get like solvents and fucking you know like whatever else is in your compound in your solution into systemic circulation immediately like I don't know

What is – trend is something that the craziest of people that I know have taken, including like jujitsu guys that really want to get super jacked. They take trend. And I'm like, what is it about the trend? And they apparently get like ultra violent when they're on trend. Yeah. So it's a unique compound that was – Is it called trend balloon? Is that what it's – Yeah. And it used to be –

Used in for like I forgot the clinical application was but it was a pharmaceutical approved steroid back in the 80s and then was you know basically taken off the market similar to around the same time that Interestingly enough Biden was the one who spearheaded getting like steroids scheduled essentially

Biden did? Yeah. He was at the forefront of pushing for the banning of them or scheduling. If I don't have muscles, nobody has muscles. Yeah, and that's like he's blamed often by the bodybuilding community for the lack of refinements in anabolic steroids because now we're stuck with the same drugs we've been using since the 80s. Wow. So every drug category has had...

significant refinements over the years to make them more effective, less side effect ridden, et cetera, like GLP-1 medications, for example, highly effective and constantly being like lightning through pipelines to create really, really refined ones that are less problematic.

And with steroids, that was being done in the 80s. And then once there was, you know, the Ben Johnson debacle, I believe it was. Yeah. That brought all this, you know, public outcry. Another proud Canadian. Yeah. And getting positive for Winstrel, I think. And people were like, is this just going to become like a fucking...

Like chemical warfare, essentially, in the Olympics and whoever's dope the most is going to win. People are freaking out. And the response was Biden getting it, including testosterone, scheduled. Wow. Yeah. And then there was this huge stigma developed around them and the taboo of being on steroids was developed. And that's kind of what led to this probably slowing down progress decades and likely preventing people from getting steroids developed that were far less likely to kill them.

Yeah. So we could have like a really refined, highly effective compounds by now that don't make your heart explode if you just if they just continue probably. Well, I know that one state, I think it was Oregon.

essentially decriminalized everything. I think they've taken that back now because I think it was like a, Oregon's a disaster anyway, Portland in particular. Like you go, there's just needles and drug addicts and it's like open air drug marts everywhere because all the homelessness and the camping on the street, the tent situation there is,

fucking nuts and they're super tolerant progressive people so like overwhelmingly right so they just look at it like in terms of compassion for these people we need to fund them and you're basically giving them money to stay homeless it's really nuts

So when a society like that decriminalizes everything, we're just going to have fucking – people are going to go haywire with meth and whatever else they want to get. But they also did it with steroids. They did it with everything. They essentially decriminalized all drugs. But I think they took – did they take that back, Jamie? I would be curious, even if it was decriminalized, though, what the access would be like because it's still going to be contingent on compounding pharmacies being able to make stuff legally, which –

From what I understand, it's actually getting worse scrutiny as opposed to it getting better. Well, they're scrutinizing peptides now, which is really crazy. Oregon law rolling back drug decriminalization takes effect, making possession a crime again. So is it of all things? Did they just change the law totally?

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Grappling with the COVID-19 pandemic, we're struggling to stand up the new treatment system state auditors found. Okay. So they just couldn't keep up with what was... They didn't follow through with the whole idea of these addiction centers and rehabilitation centers. Yeah. And some of this stuff is like...

I don't even know how much it would help being able to possess something when you can't even get it prescribed to begin with. Right, you can't manufacture it. If you're allowed to possess cocaine, are you buying fentanyl-based cocaine from the cartel? Yeah, like in Canada, it's not a...

I'm pretty sure it's not a crime to possess steroids, but to sell it and distribute it, it is a crime. And there's still no pharmacies that are making like pharmaceutical grade steroids that aren't testosterone. Could a pharmacy make it and give it away? Have you had some Elon Musk type fucking crazy person? I don't think so. Probably not. Right. So if it's decriminalized and you're allowed to possess it.

Are you allowed to make it? No, I think just like the process of distributing. I don't even know. But I know like Oxandrel and for example, Anovar was recently like banned entirely. And it's been allowed to be prescribed for certain like hyper specific niche purposes for decades. It's been around since the 80s. And it's banned in America as well? Yeah, like recently it was added to like it was basically de-approved.

But why? Good question. A parent. But you can still get the COVID-19 vaccine. Yeah, easily. They'll still tell you to get it. Yeah. Try to give it to kids. Yeah. Sucked up, man. Yeah. It's crazy because how many people are dying from ANIVAR? Not many. Like, what's the numbers? It's like...

What is it, like Brazil nut deaths? You know what I mean? It's definitely not the safest safe drug, but I mean, like, it's, you know, when it's used appropriately, it can be fine. Right. Yeah. But there's not a crisis. No, no, yeah. Yeah, it's a thing. It's like, why are you passing laws when there's not an issue? Yeah, I don't know what the effect of RFK will be, but it sounds like...

He might be able to influence things now in like a positive direction to that stuff. He looks a little saucy. Oh, for sure. He's 70. I think he admitted that he's on TRT. Clearly. I mean, you would have to be the craziest genetic freak of all time to carry that kind of muscle mass at 70 naturally. Yeah. Yeah. So that's good. And he also is open to the idea of changing the classification of psychedelics as well, which I think is going to be really important to people.

There's a lot of things that morons are preventing society from using, and that's really all it is. People who are ignorant to the effects, they're ignorant to all of it, and they're compromised generally by pharmaceutical drug companies. Yeah, I definitely think psychedelics have utility. One thing I do see that freaks me out, though, is people permanently changing their brain chemistry with heavy ayahuasca exposure or whatever. Oh, yeah. Have you seen...

I've seen multiple cases of this on social media as well as in real life. People have gone like retreats and then come back unrecognizable in their demeanor and how they behave and not in a good way. Like weirdos. Oh, yeah. I know a few. Yeah. Like, have you seen a liver king recently? No. What's going on? He seems like, I don't know, like borderline schizophrenic now.

Okay, but is that also, I think he was mentally ill, right? Maybe. Listen, let me just classify my definition of mentally illness as someone who lies. I think it's a mental illness. I think lying when it's really obvious. Yeah. Like, you know, if I try to tell people I'm six foot three, that's an obvious lie. If I say that over and over again until somebody comes up with a ruler...

That's crazy. You have to be a crazy person. That's a mental illness. If you lie and say you're black and you're actually white and you work for the NAACP, like the Rachel Dolezal lady.

Kind of mentally ill right yeah, that's mental. That's a mental ill. There's something wrong You're not like not thinking clear and you're doing a thing that we generally like universally say is a bad thing which is lying Right so if you're doing that you're lying about taking steroids when it's super obvious you're on steroids You're 46 years old you look like a fucking superhero. You're right. It's just super jacked You know and then gets caught okay, so now he has to come out and say that he's now imagine

You've never been famous, and then all of a sudden you are really, really famous really quickly over the course of a few years. Like social media, all over TikTok, your profile is elevated to the point where you could say to the regular person's tree, you know who Liver King is. Like, oh yeah, that roided up guy. Everybody knows who he is. Then the hate because your labs come out and finds out he's on a shitload of things. This guy's juice to the tits.

obviously for a guy like you or a guy like me, we look at a guy like that. Like you've got to be on the juice. You don't even look remotely normal. Everyone says that though too, but a lot of people believe them. A lot of people are just ignorant. Right. But the people that knew like yourself, 100%, you knew that that guy was on steroids. Right. So then imagine the anxiety that comes with being exposed and then the hate.

Now, I don't know what this dude does in terms of social media, if he reads comments, but just imagine the psychological effect.

of being bombarded by people calling you a piece of shit and a liar and a fraud all day long. Every time you check your Instagram or whatever you got, your YouTube, the comments are filled with people who hate you. Filled with it. And you're just like sitting there stewing in your own shit and just freaking out about your decisions. Your brain probably gets overrun by stress.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. I don't even know. For him specifically, either if he did psychedelics or not, I'm pretty sure he's talked about it openly, but it was just like some of the videos were really odd, and it kind of reflected behavior I've seen of people who have experiences gone awry, but certainly not representative of

what happens if it's done properly? - Well, I think it depends on if it's done properly to who. - Yeah, like your baseline state and what you're, yeah. - I think there's people, like this is the argument that Alex Berenson had when he wrote that book. He used to write for the New York Times. He wrote a book called Tell Your Children.

And it's all his argument is that marijuana is not safe for everybody. Right. It's safe for a lot of people. I know a lot of people use marijuana all the time. They don't have any problems. But I do know multiple people that have gone schizophrenic from marijuana. Now, is it they were going schizophrenic anyway? And then these high dose marijuana experiences were the tipping point. We don't really know. But we do know there's a correlation.

And I've seen it. I've seen it with multiple people where they were really normal. And then all of a sudden they start talking to you about like, you know, like someone's talking to them in their head and there's a chip and Elon Musk is going to have them be the king of Mars. And people lose their shit, man. And they go into this world of paranoid fantasy and delusion and it's horrible.

Horrible to see, especially to someone that you care about. It's really fucking weird. Kills your REM sleep, too. Marijuana does. Yeah, well, if you're using it to sleep, it can reduce sleep latency, but significantly harms REM sleep. So you might not be getting quality sleep every night, which exacerbates the effect. It definitely fucks with your dreams.

You know how I know this? Sober October, when we do Sober October, like immediately I have these wild dreams, like super vivid dreams. I'm like, where have these things been?

So for the whole month, it was crazy. Do you track the sleep metrics when you're doing sober, octo, reverse? No. I was doing it for a while with Whoop. I was checking my recovery. I wasn't that. I'm basically a feel person. How do I feel? I'm pretty good at knowing how I feel. And if I feel well-rested, if I got eight hours sleep and I feel well-rested, I'm not even going to check mine. I don't care. I feel great. Let's go. Let's go. I think so much of it is mental stuff.

So much of it is like the energy that you have to approach your day is enthusiasm and health. That's where your energy generally comes from. Yeah, the stress of tracking can sometimes defeat the purpose as well for some people. I think it's also – I've heard people talk about addiction, like how many people are addicted to their phones. Most of us, right? Yeah.

there's an addiction to checking health metrics. And there's also an addiction like competing. But I would say that that's an addiction that's fairly positive because you're addicted to these numbers that are correlated with health benefits. So I was like, what is addiction? Okay, if you're a gambling addict and you're losing your house and your children don't have food, okay, that's a detrimental addiction.

But if you're addicted to exercise and you're super fit because of it, you're going to live longer and you're healthy as fuck and you look great. Is that really an addiction? I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing. We're talking about the same kind of pattern. But like I've been addicted to a lot of things. I've been addicted to martial arts for sure. Like if I don't – I would be like out in public and if people were boring to me, I'd be thinking of combinations. Yeah.

I'd be like talking to them. I wasn't thinking about what they were saying. I was thinking about how it hit them. I think about like if they step like this, then I go down. But what if I step here? I was like working out footwork and I would do it in my head because I was an addict. But I was addicted to something that was very positive. Yeah. No, it's you need somewhere to attribute your, I don't know, dopamine to, I guess. Yeah. If it's positive, it's like.

Probably the best thing you could hope for as long as you don't go over the top, which is pretty difficult to do with health stuff. Well, you can break yourself down with overtraining. You know, I would say that my good friend David Goggins is breaking his body down with overtraining.

He's got no cartilage in his knees and he's running thousands of miles. He's a complete psychopath. He must be in agony. Like every step he takes and he does not give a fuck. He just keeps going. It's really crazy to see. His doctor looked at his knees and said, and this is from him directly, he said,

I don't know how you could walk on these knees forget about run thousands of miles Yeah, they had a cut his his knee because it's bone-on-bone His bone was distorting so much by growing to kind of like deal with the inflammation and like It's like some I forget what it's called something wolf syndrome something so they had a cut his leg cut his fucking tibia bone and shift it down so that it's flat and

So they could run flat bone on bone. That's fucked. Dude, it's madness. Dude, it's even more madness as the guys who get their tibia smashed open and femur and then get height increasing surgery. That's crazy. Do you, do you follow that one guy was like six, two who did it? Dude, I'm doing a podcast with him in two days. What is it called? I got my knees done. Is that what he took his page down though? Didn't he? Yeah. I think he was off social media for a while. And, um,

I was actually gonna do a podcast with him last year and then it didn't end up working out and he's available and into the idea still so... Wait, is he fully healed now? He went from six foot to six foot six. Jesus Christ, look at the size of him. And this is him wheeling himself around?

And he was a massive guy, too. Like, look at the size of his fucking arms. Yeah, the guy is like a genetic freak for muscle, for sure. Let's become taller. They're cranking their legs. This is nuts. So basically they go in and shove these rods into your legs, either in the tibia or the femur, or you can do both if you want to max out. And you can basically micro-adjust, stretch it,

to create a separation between the bone, which then fills in with new bone over time. And... This is him seven months after the lengthening process. I want to see what your legs look like, dude. Why you got sweatpants on? See what those little toothpicks look like. Yeah, so this guy went from like... That's nuts. I don't know what his original height was, but he's six feet now, and he was like, I think, five, six or five, seven when he started. Wow. That's crazy.

That's crazy. So I have a lot of questions about is your athleticism permanently fucked now? Are you ever going to be able to squat again? You know, like what's life like now? What was the surgery process? Rehabilitation? What are your mechanics? You have to change. You have to learn how to fucking do everything. The distance between your shin, like your kneecap and your foot.

If that changes dramatically, like, your whole timing is different. You have a different leverage. Everything's different. What does it do to your hips? Yeah. You know, are you going to wear your hips out earlier? Like, your body probably has to compensate for these freakishly long shins now. Yeah, and this guy, too, he's a unique guy.

even among the people doing this crazy surgery because he got the full six inches, which is not necessarily typical, having both bones broken to do it.

And then maxing it out at the weight he's at, too. So he has to support the recovery on, like, I can imagine seemingly, like, 300-plus frame or something. Jesus Christ. Like, a lot of people who get it done are, like, 5'6", trying to become, like, 5'. They weigh 150. Yeah, yeah. And it's, like, more. Right. It's still probably fucking insane, regardless. It's insane. Yeah. Well, it's just you're only stretching one bone, right? Yeah.

Yeah, I have to. Are they doing the tibia as well? You pick. So the tibia and the fibula, rather? Are they doing both of them? Femur or tibia or both. Oh, you can do femur? Yeah. Oh. Yeah. I could be misspeaking, but I'm pretty sure it's one or the other. Or both? Yeah. Oh, Jesus. And he has both done, and he maxed it out. Oh, Jesus. Yeah. What is the recovery like? Yeah, good question. So this is this guy after how long?

A couple weeks after he's throwing out, he can jump, which is not much. A couple weeks after he gets his surgery done? No, no. No. After he gets the bars pulled off? It's like week by week, I think. Jumping after height surgery. Oh, look how skinny his legs are. So he's pretty skinny. So this is him in the beginning. He's trying to do it. I would be terrified to do that. See, my curiosity is how athletic were they prior, and then what is their maximal weight?

Like what's their max out point of recovery in contrast to their baseline? Because yeah, you could show me a box jump that looks like you're somewhat functional. Look at his legs. That's so crazy. Yeah. So they like stick a rod in it. How long is the process? I think like a year probably or I don't know, months. So for a year you're walking around with these like iron shin plates. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty nuts, dude. Getting all the bitches now.

Yeah. Looking all sexy and tall. Now, there was one guy, Jamie, that you pulled up before who had it done, and they showed him doing some –

athletic drills, like cone drills and coordination drills, and he looked fucking great. He looked like a real athlete, even though he got it done. It didn't look like it was... Unless he's just unbelievably athletic before and maintained a lot of it. I would like to know, like, did you have a decrease? Like, could you... I mean, you obviously look insane right now, but what did you used to be able to do? Yeah, some of the stuff I'm curious about, too, is, like...

how much of the content you see online is like sponsored versus actual like user content, just reviewing their experience. Cause you could see like,

For example, hair transplants. Tons of people get sent, like, fully paid to go get a transplant done as long as they speak positively about it and whatever. So imagine a guy who's getting, like, specialized attention, which you would want if you're getting your fucking legs broken, and you're getting it covered or whatever, and you just make sure you talk about it positively. Right. How much of that content is, like, legit versus fake?

you know, somewhat manufactured. That's a very good point. Yeah. That's also one of those things where if you're a social media influencer, you probably want to appear like you're doing all the right things. Yeah. You would never want to admit that you fucked yourself up for height increasing surgery. I can't walk right. I'm,

in pain all the time. I can't run anymore. You'd become the case study for why to not do it. Yeah. I wonder what kind of an effect that would have on your mechanics. I really do. I would imagine for martial arts, you know where everything is. If I'm throwing a kick...

I know exactly where my shin is going to land from the distance that I'm at. Like I've got like this mind, my mind is coordinated for this short body. I know exactly how much distance I have to cover. If all of a sudden you add six inches to that. Oh yeah. You're all, you're, everything is weird. Dude, even gaming, even gaining a bit of muscle can throw off your depth perception of how strong, like for example, when I was in high school, I played basketball and,

And I started working out in grade 11 and gained like 50 pounds in a year. And my three pointer that used to be just like just fucking money every time I knew exactly how to shoot the ball. Like it was, you know, just second nature to because you've been doing it for a decade or whatever. And then all of a sudden you add this extra force production that you're not accounting for. All of a sudden everything's thrown off.

And also you're sore all the time because you're always lifting, which makes you tight. Yeah, I became a brick house after that. It's a giant problem with pool. Oh, I can imagine. Because I'm addicted to playing pool. When I lift weights and then play pool, it takes like an hour before I can loosen up and play good. Oh, man. Everything's off. It's like my arm's not listening right. It's all stiff. Like for pool, you want to like –

When I'm playing really well, I'm barely holding on to that cue. It's like I'm almost letting the cue do all the work. It's like a very gentle thing. But then when I do a heavy kettlebell session and then I try to play pool, it's like... Everything's just...

Tight and goofy and clunky and you can't you don't feel it like pool is like a feel game Like you're feeling how many rotations you're putting on the ball to get it to move to the next position Like literally you're within one or two rotations correctly Yeah, and that's the difference between getting into an area where you can make the next shot or not. Yeah, like

So it's all feel. Like Fedor Gorsht, who's one of the best players in the world, he changed cues. He changed cue companies. The same weight, the same taper, the same tip millimeter, and he said his shot was about 10% off. He was 6% to 10% off. I was like, what? Like, how? He's like, it's off. It takes a while to recalibrate. Yeah, this is one of those examples where, like,

You know, in MMA too, like if you gain a bunch of muscle from drugs even, like it's not necessarily beneficial. Your mobility could be inhibited, flexibility, gas out quicker. Even in BJJ, it's like, and you can sauce to the tits, but like it might not be helpful to the capacity you can actually push it. Right. You know, you might gas out quicker. All of a sudden you can't do things that you used to do. I think the key is moderation and lifting in regard to, unless you're on the sauce,

you know, if you're doing anything like MMA or any skill-based thing. Because as soon as you're tight and sore, you're not going to learn well. You're not going to have a snap to your punches. You'll be pushing punches. You know, there's a fluidity. Like, some of the hardest techniques almost look effortless because there's a fluidity to the... Like, if you're landing a kick, for example, like a hard kick, like a spinning back kick, like what Jon Jones knocked out Stipe Miocic with, there's a...

There's a dance going on with your nervous system, with all your muscles moving in coordination. If you think of how complex that movement is, right? He's standing like this sideways and he's looking for the, and at the right moment, he pivots on the ball of his foot, turns his heel towards the person, rotates his entire body this way and shoves his leg forward.

pushing off his back leg with all of his weight. And there's a timing. You don't want to hit him here and you don't want to hit him at the end of it. You want to hit him right in the sweet spot. So you've got to know your foot on extension is going to be properly distanced from his rib cage in order for you to get maximum force. And it's all happening in a fraction of a second. It's just, whoomp!

And when it lands, it's like getting hit by a fucking car. And if you tie it, but it's a dance. And if you're here, he seemed to do this. Look at this fucking dance, man. Watch this. Look at that term. Boom. I mean, it's perfection. I had a feeling that if anyone could appreciate this, it would be. Yeah. You for sure. Given this is like your signature, right? Oh, that's my specialty kick. Yeah. That's a, yeah.

Not that everyone is impressed by it, but I knew you would see it as like... I was so hyped up for it because I always wondered why more people don't throw it. And that's also the same kick that Max Holloway landed on Justin Gaethje at the end of the first round. He fucked him up at the end of the first round with a spinning back kick to the face, which is a crazy kick to take in the month. Sick fight, too. Sick fight. But Stipe is one of the toughest guys to ever walk the face of the earth. For him to go down like that, look at the force. Look at the force. Boom!

Boom! I mean, your whole, his rib went in. Like, look how deep it goes in. On impact. Look how fucking deep his heel is. Look at that. That's insane. That's like the body equivalent of that Tony Ferguson picture.

Right, right. The one when he gets front kicked in the face? Yeah. I mean, that is incredible amount of penetration. Look at that. I mean, all of his organs just went into shock right there. And if he was on the other side, it would be even more devastating because that's not even the side where the liver is. That's just general organ trauma, you know? And he just can't take it. He just goes down, and then that's a wrap. So what happens when Aspinall...

Fights. Jon Jones. I gotta hope they fight. I wanna know. It's gotta happen, right? Here's a question with Aspinall. What happens with Aspinall in the second round?

Oh, I guess he has it. You want to talk about a guy who sprints. Yeah. You want to talk about a guy who's fast twitch. Aspinall's one of the fastest heavyweights. He might be the fastest heavyweight in the history of the sport. I don't think anybody moves like that guy does. At a 250-plus pound frame, his movement's fucking extraordinary. And that's something you have to deal with. Like, that is a crazy ability. His ability to move, like the way he moves, is so much different than everybody else in the sport. Like, Google...

Let's come up with a good Aspinall fight. How about the Curtis Blades fight was pretty quick, but how about the last one with the Pavlich fight where he won the interim title? That's a good one.

That's a minute. I got Volkov was three minutes. Yeah, all of his fights. Like all together, he's fought like 10 minutes. Everybody gets blown out real quick. Yeah. But let's watch one of them. The only loss he has was he blew his knee out throwing a kick, which is crazy. He didn't even get hit. He threw a round kick and his ACL exploded. So let's see Marcin Tabura. That's a good one. He's so fucking fast, dude.

The Andrei Orlovsky fight, you can see that's pretty fast, too. Put the Tabora one. It's the left-hand side. Go above that, to the left. Right there. Click on that. No, but it's going to be a small... Just click on it. I can't control this. That's fine. That's fine. I just want to show his movement. Look how fast he moves in. I mean, that guy's so fucking fast. He moves like a 175-pounder. He doesn't move like a 250-pound guy. Look how quickly he closes the distance, man.

His hand speed and full range of skills. Incredible stand-up, knocks guys out with one punch, black belt in jiu-jitsu, really good wrestler. He's everything, and he's young. So what's your prediction if it happens?

It's hard to bet against John. It's hard to bet against John. But John's not a real heavyweight. John could make light heavyweight, 100%. He weights 230 right now, maybe a little less than 230. There's no doubt in my mind that if John just changed his diet and went back, he hasn't put that much mass on that you would say 205 is out of reach. No, it's a...

Fluffy weight. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, he had always had the reputation of fucking all the heavyweights up at Jackson Winklejohn. Always. Everybody said like when Brendan went down and trained with him, Brendan was a heavyweight. Brendan Schaub. He's like, he fucked me up because dude, I was like top 10 in the world as a heavyweight. I thought it was the shit. He fucked me up. He goes, he beat my ass. And he goes, he beat everybody else's ass too. All the other heavyweights ragdolled dudes way bigger than him. He's just a freak.

His wingspan is like how much longer than his height, though, too. It's crazy. Yeah, it's insane. Crazy reach and also just skillful. His skills are so rock solid in every way, shape, or form. His stand-up, his submissions, he's crazy strong. He's got just an insane mind for fighting. And would he blow out Pereira, you think, where it's not even a worthwhile fight?

The problem is the ground. John's so much better on the ground. Like, world's better, you know? And it takes so long to get really good on the ground. And we've seen Pereira get in trouble with guys on the ground that are nowhere near John's level. Nowhere near. John dominates everybody. He took down Daniel Cormier. Daniel Cormier's an Olympic wrestler. I mean, he's a fucking phenomenal wrestler. And John took him down. And took him down multiple times. It's a different dude, man.

This is what we're talking about with genetics. There's some guys, they're just blessed. And then with John, it's blessed and his mind. It's his personality, his ruthless competitiveness.

He's like, he's not going to fucking lose. He's going to find a way to get you. And he's going to do it clever. He's not trying to take a bunch of punishment and stand and bang. He's not going to point the center of the octagon and let's go right here. We're standing right here. Never going to happen with Jon Jones. You're not getting none of that, son. You're getting knees to the gut. You're getting your knees kicked.

You're getting fucking just liced up with elbows where your fucking head's bleeding. He's going to slowly dismantle you and find a way to submit you or punish you, beat you to death on the ground. But...

Can he do that with a guy like Aspinall, who's a legit 255-pound natural who moves like he's 80 pounds lighter? He's a freak, man. Aspinall's a freak. I've seen a lot of heavyweight, even Francis, who's the greatest, scariest power striker I've ever seen in the heavyweight division. No one's scarier than Francis. Francis does not move like Tom Aspinall. Hmm.

Tom Aspinall is significantly faster than every other heavyweight. That's a real problem. That's a real problem. But John has been used to fighting guys like Alexander Gustafson, guys who are really fast at light heavyweight. So the speed...

Is not going to be as much of an adjustment like John's used to really fast people He fought Lyoto Machida when Machida was in his prime Machida was a lightning bolt man, and he caught John a bunch of times But then there's the thing of getting caught by Lyoto Machida is not like getting caught by 255 pound Tom Aspinall

It's pretty crazy being at the top of the sport for, like, two eras, essentially. There's no one like him. Yeah, like, when I was, like, a fucking teenager watching UFC, it was, like, Lyoto versus him. You have, like, Mauricio Shogun-Hua fights. And he's...

14 years at the top. 14 years and they're debating whether or not he's the pound for pound best fighter alive right now. Islam Makachev currently holds that standing and I think that is voted amongst experts. I think that's what, you know, air quotes, experts. Some of these guys don't know jack shit. There's guys who vote on this that literally have never rolled a day in their life and that's a fact.

The meme's pretty funny, though, where it's like every time Dana says Jon Jones is the best, and they'll put it in front of like, it'll be like, I don't know, some obscene scenario. It'll be like somebody getting a terminal illness diagnosis or something, and then Dana White comes in and he's like, but Jon Jones is the best fucking fighter of all time. I want to make sure that what I said was accurate. Like, who does get to decide what the pound for pound list is? I believe it's MMA journalists and experts. Now,

There's MMA journalists that I know that are really nice guys, and I don't want to say any names, but I know they never worked out a fucking day in their life. And they love the sport, and they cover it fairly, and they're very knowledgeable, and they're very good at reciting stats and understanding things. But how much do you really know?

Ratings were generated by a voting panel made up of media members. See, that's a problem. Media members were asked to vote on who they feel are the best top fighters in the UFC by weight class and pound for pound. A fighter is only eligible to be voted on if they are active status in the UFC. Now, this is not to disparage any of these media people. Like I said, I love them. I'm friends with a lot of them. They're great guys. There's no way you...

absolutely understand someone's ability, especially when you're talking about pound for pound, unless you've done martial arts.

I just don't think, I can see, like when John threw that kick, I see that kick and I go, that was beautiful. That was beautiful. Because I know how it kicks, I know what's supposed to happen. You're just guessing. You're guessing on what's supposed, you've never done that on somebody. If you've never done that, you don't know how beautiful that is. You don't really get it. You kind of get it, but you get it the way I get flying a plane. I never flew a plane. I kind of see they pull the lever, that guy did a great job flying that plane. Look how he landed, perfect. I don't know what's really going on.

But when it comes to martial arts, I know what's really going on. And when you look at a guy like Jon Jones, I don't think you can make a greatest of all time complete argument. The way I like to look at it, I say...

Who had the highest expression of martial arts excellence during their prime? Like what? I don't mean the entire career. I don't mean now. I mean, when they were hot, like when Anderson Silva was hot, how good was that? Was that better than anything that ever existed? Because I think it might have been. And that's what I look at when I look at like pound for pound bests.

So the argument is John Jones has had some really close fights. He's had split decision fights that he won. A lot of people thought that some of his fights, like the Dominic Reyes fight- Yeah, dude, that was close. Could have easily gone to Dominic Reyes. Yeah. Easily. And I would not have been mad at that. Yeah. And I might go back and watch it again and decide Dominic Reyes won that fight. Mm-hmm.

But there's those 10-9 rounds that are like, I don't know, you can say 10-9 John or 10-9 Dominic, and either way, you've lost the title or you've won the title back. You know, like, it's real weird. Makachev is so fucking good.

He's so fucking good that he head kicked Alexander Volkanovski in the rematch. He submits everybody, submitted Dustin Poirier. He's a fucking monster. When he gets guys on the ground, he just crushes them. And you could argue that he's dealing with a deeper talent pool. So his weight class is, in my opinion, the most talent-rich weight pool in the sport, 155 pounds. 155 pounds is filled with assassins. Mm-hmm.

205 pounds is not. 265 is definitely not. It's the giant difference. So when you're talking pound for pound. I feel like it's been a while since those divisions were, like, really heated with depth. Which ones? 205? Light heavy especially. They used to be, like, the fucking division to watch. Imagine, though, if Pereira was coming up when Jon Jones was the champion. That would be exciting. That would be exciting. Pereira's a different cat, man.

Did you hear what Mark Goddard said to me in the fight after he fought Khalil Rountree? Mark Goddard came up to me and goes, mate, the sound it makes when he hits them is ungodly. He goes, I've been doing this for 20 years. He goes, the sound he makes is just different. It's ungodly. He just kept saying that. He wanted to make a point to say this to me. He came up to me immediately when I got into the octagon. He's like, the sound is ungodly.

His power is so different. Do you know like Francis hit that punch pad and he got like 127 or whatever? Pereira got 190. Oh, yeah. 190. Do you know how crazy that is? With a kick, the highest I got was like 157. Some guy got like 190 with a kick. We're pretty impressed. I think some guy might have broken 200 with a kick. Some Muay Thai guy. Pereira did 190 with a punch.

With a punch. Yeah. And it was after training. He just wallops this fucking thing. And they come out of nowhere. Like there's not really a call. There's no call. Yeah. There's no tell. And he doesn't have to hit you full power because he has so much power. Like those leg kicks that he fucks everybody with. There's no turn of the hips at all. He's just slapping you with, and all of a sudden you can't walk well. And then he's like marching you down and it just takes one shot. His power is so crazy. Yeah.

Different than anybody else's. Because everybody gets hit on the chin. But when you get hit on the chin by that guy, it's like you can't get hit. You get hit. It's like everything is just like, you're like, what the fuck? You can see it in their face. Yeah, I remember the first time I was here, we were talking about how this guy, Pereira, is the only one who's ever beat Adesanya. And he seems like this fucking assassin. We were like, oh, that's an interesting timeline. Yeah.

Didn't know it would transpire into like this degree of success where not only does he beat him But then he like switches divisions fucking smokes that division - it's crazy Yeah dominated two divisions and the only reason why he didn't stay at light heavyweight or a middleweight rather He's literally killing himself to get to 185 Yeah, and I think that likely contributed to the ko2 look at us on you landed a perfect right hand That right hand is gonna fuck him up every day of the week no matter

No matter what you weigh. It's just perfect. And the timing, the way he did it, like leaning up against the cage and just look for the opening and just caught him coming in. Bang, dropped him, hit him with a left hook, put the arrows into him when he's down.

That KO was perfect. But you got to wonder how much of his inability, he went completely unconscious. How much of that is because of the drain, the dehydration? Because we know that the brain takes longer to rehydrate than the muscle tissue. Yeah. Oh, some impact for sure. Yeah. Fighters always say that it impacts their ability to take a punch. They talk about it openly. I took punches better when I went up to 55. Yeah.

A good example is Oliveira. Oliveira was notorious for folding at 45. He goes up to 55 and he becomes unstoppable. Yeah. I'm surprised he ever sucked down to that to begin with. He's so big that he was making 185 and then fighting at 226.

That's even more aggressive than the Costa cuts, I think. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I think he had the most aggressive weight cut. Now it's pretty marginal. Now I think he gets into the low 220s, like 222, 222, and then, you know, he cuts 15. Not that bad for a big guy with a lot of muscle. Dude, Costa needs to go back to brawling. Yeah.

Used to be so exciting and now it's just kind of like has different strategies each time and then I don't know It just doesn't seem to be working out. It's hard to know what happens to a guy when he gets really owned Yeah, cuz that's the thing. I think he's like psychologically just I don't think he's the same guy Like that's the guy who walked down Yoel Romero and we're like, oh my god Yoel Romero met a bigger freak than him because regardless of whether or not you think cost is juicy that guy's got extraordinary genetics

You know, I mean, that's why he's such a beautiful man. Perfect features, like incredible frame. His frame's incredible. And whether or not he's juicy, the reality is the guy has insane genetics and he was a fucking warrior, especially in that Yoel Romero fight. Yoel's terrifying to everybody.

And Costa just walked him down and beat his ass. And that was not a close fight. It was primarily a stand-up fight, which is where Yoel's the most scary. And Costa was in no danger. He beat the shit out of Yoel Romero. But then he fought a guy who was just way more slick. And Adesanya just was piecing him up in a way where he couldn't respond. He just... He was making...

What he was doing was a very effective strategy on people that weren't as skillful as Adesanya. But that strategy, Adesanya was easily exploiting. He was exploiting with distance and with feints and distant management and chopping at the legs. He had him all fucked up by the end of the first round. He was realizing, I can't touch this guy, and he keeps hitting me. And when he would touch Izzy, Izzy would be rolling with the punches or he'd block the kick and just move away from it as he's getting hit.

and then just keep stabbing at him from a distance. And it was just, he was too good. That's Izzy in his prime when he was at the top of the food chain. And at that moment, he fought the best Israel Adesanya that's ever been. And that's like we were talking about, like, how good does a guy compete in that one step, this gap of a couple of years or three years where he's just, it is prime, right?

I think that was what it was that was Izzy in his prime which is one of the greatest fighters of all time against Paulo Costa who just didn't have the answers to that and once you've been bested like that and a guy dry humps you when you're down he beats your ass TKO's you and then humps you you just like I thought I was the man yeah so then he has all these doubts and then he goes into these the next fights he missed weight for one fight and fought at 205 remember when he fought um who the fuck did he fight

God damn it. I can't. Marvin Vittori. He fought Marvin Vittori and they were supposed to be fighting 185 and they fought at like 205 and he still looked like he was out of shape. He looked like he's mentally all fucked up from that fight. Yeah, I can imagine the downward spiral that you would have to try and contend with as well after you like go from top rank to I think he's lost like three in a row. It's crazy. I'd like to see him get back into form, but I don't know if he can anymore. You know, I don't know if you're psychologically the same guy. Did you watch CGI? Yeah.

What is that? The Craig Jones invitation. Oh, yeah. I was thinking, what does the CGI stand for?

Yeah, I watched it. Yeah, I watched it. Yeah. What did you think? Well, I think it's great that these guys are getting a lot of money. I think that's awesome. I think it's kind of crazy they decided to compete against Abu Dhabi on the same weekend. I thought that was kind of nuts. But I guess if you want to be controversial, and Craig is certainly controversial, and you want to get a lot of attention, it got a lot of attention. And then, of course, the money. I mean, he came into the studio with $3 million in cash. Was it three? Yeah, wasn't it?

It was $1 million? Oh, it was $1 million. Okay. But even then. But they gave out $3 billion, right? So three different divisions got $1 million. So he brought in $1 million in a duffel bag, which I've never seen that before. It's crazy to look at. No, yeah. It's not easy to get. Yeah.

You know, it's fun. Craig's fun. He's a funny guy. He's fucking hilarious. He's the most hilarious guy in jiu-jitsu. Yeah. He's, like, really silly. He's very self-deprecating. And he's super skillful. I mean, his jiu-jitsu is, like, second best in the world. Like, he always talks about it. He named his team the B team. Yeah. He's not going to beat Gordon.

You know, Gordon is a freak. And Gordon is like a real psychopath. Like, Gordon trains every day of the week. Gordon versus Nicky Rod. Who wins? Gordon. No question? Yeah, Gordon's better. He's just better. Nicky Rod might get to Gordon's level one day. I mean, but if they're not training together, I don't know if he will. You know, I don't know if he's training with... Look, he's beat him every time they faced him. Yeah. And Nicky did catch him in a footlock, but Gordon's like, God, break my foot. Yeah.

I'm still going to win. And he submitted him easily in Abu Dhabi. And when they had their second match, Gordon was alleging he was greasy. Like he was difficult to get a hold of. And that's been something that people have said about Nicky before. But it might be soily food. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what's going on. But I know guys did that. I know guys would take baths. This was in the early days, like the pride days.

They would lay in a bathtub filled with baby oil. So they would lay in this bathtub with water and, like, fucking gallons of, like, P. Diddy-style... P. Diddy-style fucking...

Just supplies of baby oil in that water, and they'd bathe in it. Then they would wash themselves off, dry themselves off, and then to the touch, their skin would not feel like oil at all until they started sweating. And then when they started sweating, they'd be like a fish. You just couldn't grab them. Oh, my God. Yeah, that was the thing that it was alleged that certain strikers from Brazil used to do before they fought in the war.

and guys just could not get a hold of them. They would just be so slippery. You couldn't take them down. If you take them down, you couldn't hold them down. They just slipped right out of your hands like a bar of soap. And how would you...

Do they screen for that somehow in the UFC? Or, like, how does that work? The problem is what I'm saying, that you could oil your skin up and then wash it, and it would still be in your pores. And you wouldn't even be able to detect. As long as you were dry, they would rub you with, like, a cloth or something. Like, nope, there's nothing on his skin. Like, what do they... Unless they have, like...

baby oil detection wipes that you then send to a laboratory to find out this person put baby oil on. So are you never allowed to put baby oil on or are you only allowed to put baby oil on until the week of the fight? Like when are you going to say no baby oil ever for a person? What if they like baby oil? What if they like cocoa butter? So it's weird. It's weird. And so the solution to that

Everybody has to wear long-sleeve rash guards and spats. That's the solution, and that's what they should do. So the best way to stop these greasers is you put them in leggings, leggings and tights. Simple.

Yeah, I remember that was like a bit of a controversy, at least in early UFC. It was like... Oh, yeah. Yeah. I know guys greased. 100%, I can tell you, 100% guys greased. Even like between rounds, though, too. I know one guy who didn't just grease. He put Vicks VapoRub all over his chest. Jesus. And then he would grab guys and pull their head into his chest and...

So you'd be getting sweat and Vicks VapoRub in your eyes, and he'd be kneeing you in the face. That's fucking crazy, dude. Crazy. Yeah. Well, when they weren't testing for things, dudes did a lot of dirty shit. Yeah. I heard another story. I can't substantiate. I will say no names. But a guy allegedly-

Gave blood to make weight so he not didn't get blood but had blood removed from his body and chilled in his room So he can make weight and then went back up to his room and got that blood put back in his body after his body probably You know resupplied itself with a significant amount of it depending on how much time it is between the fact that we draw the blood I don't know how long how much time but you could think about like how much weight blood is yeah, and if you can get like a

How much can you take while you're still conscious? I don't know. But you take these bags of blood and keep them chilled and then let your body refill and reproliferate with blood and then go back into the room and now you're blood doping with your own blood. Totally undetectable. And you made weight with blood cutting.

Yeah, and that's like another micro-dose vector that people use still to this day. It's all against blood transfusions. Well, there's probably multiple factors why you're not allowed to get IVs, and that might be one of them. Yeah, but it's like detecting that is always just through your data that they have to assess, or they assess for like plastics in your bloodstream, which you can get around just by storage technique.

Right. Plastics in your bloodstream, would you get around that if you injected it with a glass vial and a needle as opposed to like a bag? I think some people are like freezing as opposed to just like storing it in liquid format and then whatever you're storing it in, it can all make a difference in terms of like. Freezing it? Yeah. You can freeze your blood and then put it back in? Yeah. Whoa.

Yeah, like thawed out, obviously. But how weird is that? Super weird. How long is your blood good for? That's a good question, but I would imagine longer if you're freezing it. Jesus Christ. The things people do just to get a little bit of an advantage...

Yeah, but it works, man. And it's like at least of the doping methods, one of the least easy to detect because there's no substance that is stimulating anything. It's just your own blood that was supposed to be there. Right. So the only way they'd be able to detect is to detect whether or not you've had an IV.

Yeah, well, it would be like they'd look at your biological passport data and see unusual elevation of hemoglobin, hematocrit, probably around an event. And you would also see a disproportionate suppression of reticulocytes, which are like immature red blood cells. Because if your body has, similar to the testosterone, if you administer it, you stop producing naturally. So if you put in exogenous blood, right?

you're going to suppress the natural production of red blood cells because you have an adequate supply. So you would have a disproportionate ratio between like blood cells, oxygen carrying capacity markers and immature blood cells. And it's like, why is this differential so significant all of a sudden? And it might flag an atypical finding and get further scrutiny. And yeah, with blood transfusions, because there's no way to really prove anything. Oftentimes penalizations occur based on like

it looks so fucked up that we have to penalize you because we assumed you did it. Like, how would they detect that? Like, I think it's just such an aberrant finding that's different from everything you've ever showed in your data that you must have cheated.

Right. So the biological passport. Yeah. Because it's like with other compounds like testosterone, you need to have like confirmation via isotope ratio mass spec or whatever. But with blood, it's like, what did you do? Like there's no compound to prove was or wasn't there. It's just like the blood. But it is illegal, right? So you'd have to have a nurse that can keep their mouth shut. Or a significant other who is a nurse or a myriad of different things. Right.

And some of this stuff isn't like hard to really learn either. Like it's actually a pretty good profession is learning how to take, like some people do phlebotomy as like a low barrier to entry, high paying job. So like being somebody who takes blood is like, there's not much of a requirement from like credentials to be able to do it and it pays well per hour. Yeah. And if you had a family member who's a phlebotomist and they could hook that up,

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What are the other different ways that they can get it? Like how rock solid is like the, let's forget about drug sport, what they have now, but the USADA protocol that they were using before, how, what are the best ways to get around that? Well, because they weren't actually testing drugs,

Almost at all for EPO and GH. What percentage were they testing for it? You probably have to ask Hunter to confirm, but my understanding was, like, best case scenario, you were getting EPO tested if somebody, like, reported you as, like, you know, there's a bunch of people trying to out you as a cheater. And again, is this a finance thing? I think it was a lot finance and time intensive and...

Because some of this testing is not as rudimentary and crude as just detection of synthetic steroids in your urine. You have to actually manually do work to combust down and assess the ratio. And there's nuance in interpreting this stuff, too. Because a lot of times you will have an expert who has a different opinion than another expert in terms of if it looks weird.

So you have to bring in multiple opinions, too, maybe, of experts who then kind of come to a consolidated answer on, did you cheat or not? And it gets pretty complicated. So doing this at scale on a sport that has no off-season...

With people globally competing, pretty fucking costly for sure to do properly. Well, the MMA conspiracy theorists, they always point to people doing their camps in faraway lands. Like, what a good way to cheat. Because if you want to do a camp in Dagestan, how many times have you saw to go into Dagestan? And what happens to those guys when they get over there and they get smacked up by those bearded dudes? Yeah.

Imagine telling those guys, wake up at 6 o'clock in the morning. Yeah. They'll feed you their goats. Yeah. Like, what are you talking about? Fuck you. Come back tomorrow. Yeah. Fuck you. Yeah. No, it's... Also, they probably know when you're there. Yeah. They probably got that town wired. There's absolutely logistical problems that lead to lower barriers for certain people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, do your camp in Thailand, son. Yeah. Yeah.

For sure. You got to wonder, like, I would like to see, like, what's the data on people that do their camp in Thailand? How often are they tested versus a guy who's got a camp in Iowa? And even, like, the rigor of the person who's hired to do the testing, because it's like, how...

you know, scrutinous is whoever you're outsourcing, you're hiring in that area to like, you know, they could be like a local who is, you know, like pledged allegiance to that fucking, you know, whatever. Right.

So I don't know, man. It's tough for sure because there's no way to like truly bulletproof it, I think. But at least the UFC developments as of recent, they've confirmed they're doing like isotope ratio mass spec and actually doing some of the higher level testing for bioidenticals that could catch the microdosing and the things that are very difficult to detect. Yeah.

Stuff is still gonna squeeze through for sure but it's gonna be better than it was where they were either not doing it or then letting letting people do it maybe and then asking them to be a fucking snitches for them it used to be back in the day that there was always rumors of like big camps that would hire scientists and that you know, they would figure out ways around dude, that is a Growing profession. Is it? Oh, yeah

Yeah, there's like so many pharmacology nerds who are like, like I've even been asked to help people in the Olympics before. Really? Yeah. Because you're a pharmacological nerd. Yeah, exactly. And so these people ask you to cheat for them. To help them cheat, yeah. Which is also a criminal offense, my understanding, due to, there's actually a law now. It's like the Rodchenkov Act or something. Oh, wow. So if you like help somebody, you're also doing a crime. Ooh, wow.

Yeah. Oh. So, you know, obviously not worth doing for me. Obviously. So I never did it. Well, especially something like the Olympics. There's no money in it.

You're not making any money. Which is crazy. Crazy. It's like pure pride for winning a medal. It's pure exploitation. That's what it is. Because it's not like there's no money. Like, why are you making all the money? Well, these people are noble. They don't want to get paid. Like, no, you're just not paying them. They don't even know how much money there was. Because in 1936, there was no money. Right? There was no sponsors. There was no nothing. Right.

Yeah, I remember. There was no TV. Yeah, that's true. Okay, the bill makes it unlawful to knowingly influence or attempt to conspire to influence a major international sports competition by use of prohibited substance or prohibited method. A violator is subject to criminal penalties, a fine, prison term of up to 10 years, or both, and mandatory restitution. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, there's definitely...

And when you hear about stuff like this too, it's like there's always the thought in the back of your mind as a competitor, what are people doing that I'm not? And curiosity strikes. What do you think is the answer? What's like...

like the non-ideological, when you look at it objectively, so you know what, what we should be doing is doing everything that works or what we should be doing is have the most insane testing that everybody has to be a hundred percent natural, no ifs, ands, or buts, and there's no cheating. That's really hard because I too have the same questions you had of the enhanced games where it's like, oh, we're going to have, you know, medical assessments that ensure safety and blah, blah, blah. But it's like, if you're going full board, um,

It's impossible to be healthy and safe. Yeah. Yeah. So like as much as you could argue, it's probably better to not be using Frankenstein designer drugs or doing weird methods to get around cheating.

The alternative is not necessarily far superior in terms of health, because if I'm allowed to use a gram of test, I'm not going to stop at 200 mg. I'm going to go full fucking sauce to the tit. Yeah, if you can get a physiological benefit of being on trend and just fucking completely roid it out of your mind. Yeah, become like a fucking dopaminergic psycho and just like...

You will absolutely take that risk regardless of what it does to you. Yeah, especially if you're trying to win. If people are willing to cheat when it's really dangerous, you could lose the medal and you can get outed and publicly shamed like Ben Johnson. Or you don't have to worry about that because they're allowing you to, but they would like you to take...

like a sustainable dough and you're like, fuck you with your sustainable. I'm trying to be number one, bitch. Yeah. I love the idea of the enhanced games, by the way, but it's like, at least my concern would be what happens when you put up no guardrails and then alternatively, if there are guardrails, then,

Now it's set up for corruption at the medical provider level who's assessing what you're healthy enough to do and like You know are you going in to get your blood drawn at the trough point after? injections where things look like they're half out of your system versus before like it's almost like a new level of doping that would be introduced right right so and I'm sure they're very well-spoken eloquent guys who are on top of that stuff and I'm sure have answers to that and

Or, you know, have some idea of what they're going to do. But like those would be my questions as to and I'm not saying it needs to be safe. Right. You know, it might just come down to accepting that this is the fucking chemical warfare games. Right. Yeah. Which there's nothing wrong with that. If you're going to expose yourself to that risk, people do that in bodybuilding all the time. That's like literally what bodybuilding is. Yeah. Yeah.

That's what's crazy, right? Bodybuilding is a huge sport. It's not possible without illegal drugs. And there's no Rodchenko Act for bodybuilding either. So there's like literal, the guru stuff is crazy in bodybuilding. Well, how do they get away with it since it's completely illegal?

I mean, obviously you're going to jail. If I'm a guy who's arresting people who are on steroids, I go to the Mr. Olympia. I'm like, you're all in jail. Yeah. Right? You'd think if you wanted to just hit your quota for the year, you'd just show up to the Olympia Expo and just be like, all of you get in the fucking car. Get in the paddy wagon. Yeah. I don't know, man. How'd you get it?

When it comes to possession in the States and like how scrutinous they are on anabolics, I think it's mostly if you're importing mass amounts, they will flag you because you're likely a distributor at that point. Okay. So if it's like personal amounts, typically you would buy it domestically to not like red flag yourself. Cause I think in, in the mail, you can't even have your mail get checked if it's domestic. So if you are buying from, you know, the other side of the country, um,

No one would know that you were sent anything. It's only if you're buying like growth hormone from China or something. Uh,

And then you get flagged. And you have enough kits that happen to get flagged in customs, and they keep a note on your record of this guy might be doing something. So he might be a steroid dealer. Yeah. And then they'll have sting operations and try and figure out who's actually distributing. Because they have resource allocation bandwidth problems, too. So they have to go after the big fish. Right. Do guys go to Mexico and bring them across the border? Not anymore. No, they used to? No. Oh, yeah, back in the day. Yeah, people would smuggle it up their ass to get it here. Jeez.

Imagine taking Trent that was in a guy's asshole. Dan Bilzerian, he talked about how when he was in Bud's, he would go with his buddies to get gear from Mexico and then they'd smuggle it up their asses back into the U.S. Jesus Christ. What if the bottle broke?

It's fucking... Yikes. Butthole glass cuts, buddy. I watched that in a video. It's called One Guy, One Cup. Oh, yeah? You ever seen that one? No. That was back in the lively days. I saw the OG variants of that and never what I... Two Girls, One Cup? I can't watch another one of those. One Guy, One Cup is way more horrifying. Really? This guy sticks a mason jar up his asshole and it breaks. Oh.

I think it's a mason jar. Some kind of a jar up his asshole and it breaks and it's just chunks of broken glass and blood fall onto the ground as he squats. It's horrible. But I watched it multiple times. God damn. There's a lot of crazy people in this world. Yeah. Do you think that... I'm of the opinion. Let me just say what I think. I think that...

Most substances should be legal and I think people should be able to figure out what's good and what's bad There's a lot of things that are legal like Adderall's legal. I don't think Adderall, you know, I'm 99% sure I have ADHD I don't even know what it is. I don't know if it's real I think it's probably a superpower But if I went to a doctor and I was complaining about I can't focus on any one thing I'm caught I'm all over the place. They'd probably give me some and that would have legal stimulants I don't think it's probably think it's not good for you. So I don't take it. I

But I could, right? Why is that legal and cocaine's not? Like, why is this legal and that's not? Why is whiskey legal and marijuana's not? This doesn't make any sense to me. Why is Xanax legal, psilocybin's not? Like, what are we doing?

Yeah, well you could argue that well, that's the reason why clinical trials exist which assess You know safety profiles of these drugs and they wouldn't make it through otherwise, but like obviously we've seen it That's not once you get financial interest involved It's kind of hard to overlook that a lot of shit makes it through that Probably shouldn't have and stuff that maybe should have made it through it didn't make it through So, you know like I am of the opinion that you should be able to take what you want and be educated about it Hopefully first

It's tough, though, because it's like if you have a guy who's, like, I don't know, manic, and he has access to, like, meth and, like, pharma-grade meth at that or something. Yeah. Which actually exists, too. Oh, yeah. And you end up with, like, a Hitler or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The trend thing, is that the worst one psychologically? From anabolic steroids, I would say probably that and then maybe secondary drugs.

you know, some people could argue halo testing is a drug that supposedly Mike Tyson was using when he bit the Vander Holyfield. Yeah. And it makes you like fucking short term, acutely, extremely angry. What, how did you hear that he was using that? I don't remember exactly. I think it was like, uh, he didn't test positive for it.

I think it was just like highly rumored, like a very prevalent rumor. They probably didn't test for it though either, right? No, it was back then. It was really easy to get around like oral steroid detections back then as well, if they were even testing for it. I don't even know if they were testing back then. Yeah. Trent is the worst offender for your psychological state, not just because the drug is...

but it also like ruins your sleep. So you get like trend cough I mentioned, but trend sweats is another one where it almost induces like a menopause, like hot flash effect.

Sweating in your sleep and you wake up just fucking drenched And I like really fucks up your sleep and it makes you hyper paranoid as well Which is no good because even though you're this jacked sometimes confident guy others you're like you're Unreasonably insecure and you like a very common outcome is for guys to think their girlfriends are cheating on them just out of nowhere by being on trend and

Really? Yeah, and they end up becoming, you know, oddly behaving. Sexual deviancy is also a very common... I've heard of that. Yeah, on trend. And it's thought to be the progestogenic activity because it's derived from nandrolone, which is a progesterone receptor agonist as well. And progesterone is thought to be very implicated in gay sexual tendencies as you grow up if you had a heightened exposure to progesterone in utero.

and highly dopaminergic drug as well, which in excess can cause like really weird sexual deviancy as well. And yeah, it's like really fucking potent and good at what it does. It builds lean mass and it's like a really dry compound. It doesn't make you watery. Also has a unique anti-catabolic effect. So you don't, in a deficit, you keep muscle and sometimes even grow while you're cutting.

Yeah, so it's not like steroids don't all do that to some degree, more or less, but this drug is like uniquely potent in its anti-catabolic action to where you could be like extremely nutrient deprived and still hold on to a lot of your muscle.

And because it's so good at making you extremely strong too, without an excess of body weight, it's like highly sought after in many sports because you don't have to worry about jumping up in weight class while you're getting the strength increase that is humongous. Wow. Yeah. So it was one of the drugs that was used in the Duchess cocktail, which is what Rod Chankov would have his athletes swish around in their mouth. Oh, really? Yeah. It was absorbed bucally.

So it was almost like the equivalent of IVing the drug right into your bloodstream. You would swish it around your mouth in this alcohol, and it would absorb bucally into the bloodstream immediately. So you wouldn't have to actually have it go into your stomach and then get processed through a first-pass metabolism. So you could get it in and out of your system way faster. Wow. Yeah. Wow. So why is that one good for fighters?

I would think that like getting super emotional though. Yeah, you could argue that the emotional instability is not good. Yeah. But paranoia makes you very aggressive. The psychoactive effects in the gym can be very helpful for training and stress resilience.

And some people, it's not everyone who becomes paranoid on it. It's highly individual dependent. Some people, you will often hear people say, oh, people overblow the side effects of Trin. It's not that bad. And then other people who will say it ruined their life.

So it's highly individual dependent like any drug, but it's very good at making you extremely fucking strong without blowing you up with water retention and staving off loss of tissue while weight cutting as well. There's another factor that comes with steroid users, and that's the addiction to the feeling of being on steroids. Yeah. Because once they get off steroids and they don't feel like Superman anymore, they get real weirded out. Yeah. And they want to get back on again. I've seen that.

Oh, yeah, dude. It's the thing that will often kill people is the desire to maintain these huge sizes in perpetuity, too, because it's like ultimately steroid use often stems from like body image insecurity. So if you achieve, you know, the outcome you sought with this thing, you're going to be able to do a lot of things.

to think that you're going to be a confident person after you've lost the 30, 40 pounds of lean that you gained. Right. You were already probably somewhat mentally not perfect to begin with. Except Dorian Yates.

Oh, yeah. That guy, he's a unique cat. He's lost all the weight, looks like a normal athlete now. He's healthy. Yeah, he had me on his podcast this year, and he said anytime he's done seminars and people ask if he misses being a mass monster, he says they're more upset about it than I am.

He has a unique perspective on it, which is really cool to see. He's very intelligent. Yeah. Yeah, very calm and, you know, just the way he approaches things. But God damn, dude, when that guy was getting after it, he was one of the original freaks.

One of the first guys where you're just like, that's what they're pushing it to now? Yeah, he left humanity behind. He was so big, dude. He was so big. He was ridiculous. If you think about what he looked like versus what Arnold looked like just a couple of decades earlier. Night and day. Yeah, you could argue he was like the catalyst almost to a heightened standard of amount of muscle you need to be competitive. I mean, he was so big he blew his bicep out and competed in one with a torn bicep. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. With like a hole in his arm. Yeah, that's fucked up. When you get that big and you have to like worry about exploding your fucking muscle every workout because you're so strong and that's what you need to lift to get the stimulus. Like that's crazy stuff. Well, Ronnie Coleman's the crazy example of the price you pay for that. Like that guy's all fucked up now. Yeah, yeah. It makes you wonder if he would have been the bodybuilder he was if he just trained...

higher volume and like higher reps less weight yeah because literature now suggests that you don't need to necessarily train like that look at the difference between the two of them yeah it's Arnold on the left and Dorian on the right Dorian's twice his size yeah it's fucking back dude that's crazy that back isn't not that Arnold isn't insane he was fuck pretty insane I actually think Arnold looks better

Yeah, he's more aesthetic for sure. Oh, look at his back. Look at Dorian Yates' back. Look at Ronnie Coleman's back. Yeah. Jeez, these guys were huge. Ronnie Coleman was crazy, but Dorian was, like, weirdly thick. Like, look how thick his fucking muscles are, man. First of all, judging guys that are that big, good luck. I don't get it. They all look awesome. They all look crazy. Dude, it's even harder judging a bikini show.

So there's different classes at the Olympia, including women's bikini. And there's like a few poses. They'll pull up a comparison of the women's Olympia for bikini. What is the bikini versus regular Olympia? Well, it's just like the best bikini competitors against each other for the Olympia crown of bikini category.

What's the bikini category versus the regular Miss Olympia category? Miss Olympia is like bodybuilding. Oh, this isn't bodybuilding? Well, it's like a form of bodybuilding, but it's not the actual category. Right, this is women who still look feminine. So like, put it this way, with men, there's different categories. There's open men's bodybuilding, classic physique, and men's physique. And each of them has like an incremental noticeable difference in the amount of muscle you need to be competitive. And in women, similar...

Differences exist in categories where they have women's bikini, wellness, something else. And then bodybuilding is the one where you pretty much need to be on male-level steroids to be competitive. And this is a reality of female bodybuilding, that a lot of female bodybuilders...

Which is crazy. There's not even any money in that. You're juicing yourself up. But if you want to get that lean and maintain that much muscle as a woman, what do they take? Well, for bikini, you might be able to do it naturally. But most of them are probably still taking a little bit something. But it's not like masculinizing. There's a lot of things they can take that are natural or over-the-counter or...

like super micro-dosed amounts of anabolics that don't cause masculinization. But above that, the thresholds for categories above that are like, if you go to women's bodybuilding, like it looks like you remember it where it's, you know, dudes with wigs on basically almost. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, they're trans men, basically. Basically, yeah. Like, based on their hormone profile, they are more male than you and I, probably. Whoa. God. Look at that lady. That's crazy. Is she Miss Olympia? She number one? That's women's physique, too. That's not women's bodybuilding. What? Yeah. So this is like a different category that's less muscle than bodybuilding.

So what's women's bodybuilding? That lady? Probably. Who's Miss Olympia? Do they still have women's bodybuilding? I think they do. Hmm. Yeah, that might be it. Look at that lady down in the lower left hand corner. Jeez, those ladies are huge. Oh my goodness, that's got to be it. Those are dudes. That's a dude's body.

Like size-wise. Yeah. Not saying you're a dude, ladies. Don't hurt me. By the way, more power to anybody who wants to do whatever they want. It's just like the reality of the exposure to these hormones is they are masculinizing, and you can blame Biden for that. Wow. Yeah, because he stopped the development of them, and by now we probably have non-masculinizing drugs that work as well as the ones that make you a dude. Oh, my God. Have you ever thought about bailing out of Canada?

Dude, I would love to. I've considered it, but there's weird stuff around unrealized capital gains and exit taxes and shit that basically traps you there. Really? Yeah. So I could physically be present in the States and live here maybe for six months of a year, but to get out of the system fully, you've got to pay the piper on every company you've ever built, even if you don't have the money from it because you never sold it. Yeah.

There's gains that were made in Canada the value of it. They have to pay on it's like how do you pay for it? I don't have any fucking cash cuz it's all the company so they make it very difficult to leave the country Yeah, yeah, and maybe that changes with Pierre I don't know but like one of the main problems with the economy is there's no incentive for business owners that are Doing well to stay like everything is structured around. How do I get around this fucking system? Not how do I stay here? Mm-hmm

So, like, I know personally every friend I have that is successful has either already left or has tried to find a way to leave. Actually, I know one person who hasn't, but he's, like, really entrenched in the system and, like, it would be impossible to unwind at this point. So I don't know how much of it is he actually wants to be there or, like, it's a beautiful place to live in British Columbia, for example, but, like...

Yeah, it's fucking cost of living is obscene. And the tax. Some kids were doing a tick tock with food at a Canadian supermarket, like a bunch of chicken wings and how much it was. Oh, the dollar, too, is horrible. It's like a dollar. Every dollar in U.S. currency equates to 140 Canadian. Whoa. Yeah. So your dollar goes super far in Canada.

And then to buy, like, I don't know, a shitty shack fucking house that's not even a house in Vancouver, it's like millions of dollars. Yeah. Yeah. I think the cost of living is only exceeded maybe in real estate by like New York, maybe.

It's like one of the worst offenders on the planet for cost of a home. So basically, back in the day, our parents, one of the main ways to become financially stable was get in early on a property and build equity in it. And eventually you'd have, you know, something that accrued in so much value from since you got it that like that's your main nest egg or whatever. Yeah.

Nowadays, it's not even possible to afford the lowest threshold of a mortgage on a place that's not even nice. So you have families staying in 500-square-foot apartments with big families because they can't afford anything else. It says impossibly unaffordable housing report ranks Vancouver third most expensive in the world. Yeah. Hong Kong and Sydney are the only two. Wow. Sydney. That's interesting. Huh. I would have never suspected Sydney, Australia to be that expensive.

That's nuts. Yeah. Well, listen, brother, anything else you want to talk about before we bail out of here? I think it was a good one. Yeah. A lot of fun. Yeah, thanks for having me, man. I appreciate you as always. What's that, Jamie? The Miss Olympia wellness we missed out on. What's that? A focus on the lower body.

What? Oh, butts. Yeah. Top half doesn't matter. Oh, yeah. So I was going to say. Top half doesn't matter? For real? Yeah. Shut the fuck up. Why are they standing face forward then? The glutes and hips. Let's see them glutes. It definitely matters, but not as much as. Yeah, it's not focused, I should say. Yeah. Damn. Anyway, watching the posing roots.

you were saying it's hard to judge men's bodybuilding with women it's at least with the bikini category especially their hair is really long and they have extensions too to make it look even longer so when they turn around basically the only thing you can judge is like ass down essentially because their whole back is covered by hair oh that's weird yeah so it's like a pageant for your butt

I'm all in. No, I could, by the way, like any bikini competitor is probably fucking furious with that statement. Well, they're on trend.

They're going to get angry. Probably not, but they're judged on other things, but that's the main factor. Got it. Okay. All right, man. Well, it's been a lot of fun. More Plates, More Dates on YouTube. What is your website? Yeah, moreplatesmoredates.com. Anything else? No, that's it. All right. My pleasure, brother. Always good to see you. All right. Bye, everybody. Bye.