#2221 - JD Vance
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The joe rogan experience.

Very nice to meet you. Yeah, nice to see you too. What is he like running for vice president? How crazy is this experience?

It's pretty weird. It's pretty yd. I was just tell him you this earlier, but the first time that i've been in a public spot without secret service in the room is right now.

So i'm like looking around for these guys because I used to to have them. It's three months, right? So he asked me the monday of the oriental y conventions, I think was june fifteen th, and I really didn't know that morning.

I thought that he was probably going to pick me, but I didn't know for sure. Probably sixty, forty, basically. And so I had no idea. I get the call around one o'clock in ma walking time of the argenta convention. I'm hanging out with my kid. Another one of my kids is in the other room of sleep because in our kids are Young, so I nap still and he makes this calling is like, kid would be my vice present.

literally just like that.

Well, actually what what happened is I get a text message from a staff member on his team that says he just missed a very important phone call and I don't know because there's so much inbound traffic that I think I just went straight to voice meal so I call him back and i'm like a sir, what's going on? He said, jd, you just missed a very important phone call. I'm gonna have to pick somebody else.

Something to shoot, break here and then he says, known him just getting obviously wanted to be my vice president and that the funny thing is, you know, my seven year old is in the background and he has no idea what's going on. I love that, right? It's one of the good things about this.

He has no clue what's gone on. He's like, dad, you're talk to you. He's talking about pokemon cards, right? And I you know trump hears my son of the background and he says, well, who's that? And I said, that's my seven year old, sn, only like put him on the phone.

And I just like this for him to get this statement out, because, in my mind, is not final until the statement is actually out. And he talks to my son and he reads the statement that he is gonna out on truth social, announcing that i'm the VP of the republic lan party is like, what you think about that you n and my sn you like gods, pretty, pretty. The phone back to me, like I know I what that else going on and it's yeah, no idea SE.

I remember the story because, in particular, and the medicine square garden rally of a few days ago was the first time that my son actually met down all drops. So had spoken to all the phone, but had actually met him until the rally. Imagine in my seven year old really want to tell him a joke, and he remembers his phone conversation, and so he tells him this joke and truck kind of chuckles, but also was probably judging me because I was a somewhat inappropriate joke for seven year old detail.

But well, that's the only ones of seven year olds. remember.

It's like, I I have terrible language, one of my my many flaws, but I was praised by my very working class grandmother. And he was actually very interestingly, he was a very devout Christian, but he also had a language that would make a sailor blush. And so I talk like that because I was raised by this woman.

Those are fun ladies. Those are fun ladies. Who was a SHE was awesome. SHE had amazing. This is an amazing person, a huge personality, right? We called her a force of nature because he was such a big personality.

But my wife's rule is, you know, basically, he's only allowed to cuss when he's telling this one joke. So he, yeah, so he. 投资 需要 更大 的 赚。 Exactly says that fourteen times a day yeah.

I early on, I told my kids you can swear in front of us, but don't just don't swearing in from the other parents.

right? I don't wear for no reason, right? They judge you, right? The other parents judge, how do you well.

that the Youngest ones are fourteen and sixteen and twenty eight year old, but my fourteen year old was two. We were on a skin trip and, uh, we were about to leave. We packed up all our stuff.

But her helmet, we forgot to put her helmet away. I go. We forgot to put the helman away. And he just looks out the helman SHE was shit and my life is just like, oh my god, he was so funny. This is something durable about a two year old that doesn't know that you're supposed to say shit and little face. Well.

I mean, my year old, he was three at the time we were going because we live in since native, but that i'm a senators who we spent a lot of time in washington. And I was taken my four year old solo, he was three at the time on this trip and want IT like a delta light or in the back.

I'm kind of wondering because, you know, i've got bad head and i'm thinking of myself, do any these people know that i'm a sender because I look like shit right now and my sort of get away with that. I don't think that anybody knows this who I am and were sitting there and my son drops one of those bishoff cookies in between the the seat and he looks at me, he says, dad will fuck. And like twelve people instantly turned around and look at me as a goal with you has such a language like, oh my god, i'm a your father people judging yeah like but it's you know if you're right, it's so cute orrible yeah it's it's so funny but yeah, I got to do a little bit Better .

about that because the had work every now and then. Good for you. I think it's .

good for little steam out.

Did was there any part of you that was like, do I really want this job because IT comes with so much. IT comes with not having the secret service in the room. IT comes with this enormous change of your life, this insane responsibility.

You, everybody is watched. Presidents especially age radially dramatically now. And everyone but trump.

kind of amazing. Yeah.

the foot to just did age, it's so strange, is like a barely affected everybody else is like like they're getting radiation sick or and he gets out looks like this my way to do IT together, let's go to get to win just like .

IT really is amazing. I mean, of the first time that I I sort of spent like a large amount time with trump was in twenty twenty one, and I was thinking about running for the senate. I was down the morale g talking to him and my initial reaction on seeing and was like, oh my god, you look really good, actually look healthier now than you did six years ago.

Normally presidents age very, very badly. You, yeah. I mean, look, I definitely thought, okay.

Obviously this is a big, a big thing, right? You talked about IT with my wife law because she's like he was a working corporate litigator. SHE got a very big career. She's much more than I am and we definitely IT was a marital conversation, sometimes a tough one because even though am a senator, we're still pretty anonymous, right?

Like we go on vacation or we were till this happen and when we go on vacation, yeah, you'd have people stop and ask, take a photo or say something in nice. But most, most people, if you want somebody, didn't know who you were right now. It's literally impossible for us to go anywhere.

What's that shift? Feel like you're forty years old.

right? Yeah, I mean.

like, right, like this just off a Cliff. Complete different life.

Yeah, that's right. That's right. Mean, it's been, I think, look, in some ways it's really nice because people come up and say really nice things to you. They tell you their print for your kids, their print for you, for your family.

But what IT doesn't .

like go super work blue hair party. Know it's interesting. We are in new york for the msg rally.

A few people saw me and flash the universal new york sign for we are number one, right? So they like to see, but it's definitely weird to just not be anonymous at all anymore, right? And that's taken some getting used to.

I I think part of IT is also, who are you giving examples of sunday morning? We want to go for this. This is the event medicine are garden with the morning, I didn't really have anything.

Go to a couple phone calls. So we want to go for a walk with the kids in central park. And Normally you'd to walk out your hotel and walk in the central park and hang out with your family.

Now IT requires, as we have to notify secret service, is that then they have to scope out an area where they can make sure that it's going to be properly safe. And so instead of walking out our hotel room and taking a walk, and we happened in a car and show up in some ran apart of central markets, twenty blocks away. And then, of course, as soon as we get out, everybody's like, who the hell is this? Because there are fourteen car motivated there.

So the lack of anonymity is definitely an annoying that comes along with IT. But mean, i'm the kind of person where you just take the good with a bad. There are a lot of benefits to there are some downsides to IT.

It's what I ask for. I tried not to think too much about IT or complain too much about IT. I just tried to accept that.

I think, obviously, if we win, which, you know, six days from now, I think we are gna win. I think we have to sort of get into more of a routine with that. My title de thus far has been, well, it's only for a few months. You can do anything .

for a few months because the adjustment is IT like is IT difficult, was IT pretty easy to just accept IT like this is how life is now?

Well, it's you just you have to accept that, but it's not easy, right? I an in in particular for our kids, right? Like, okay, I really like to drive.

And ninety nine percent of the time we were in the car as a family, i'm driving my wife's in the passenger seat just going. I like to drive, and I think for our kids getting used to, oh, we're not going into our car. We're going into this black U. V. And dad is .

not driving right.

Or like one of the first things that happen, we're back at our house in sani the the weekend after the R N C. Convention, and we're sitting there watching like some stupid show, a million paris on netflix or something which sorry, I don't mean call that a stupid show, actually think emile paris is a masterpiece, but set to the side black at that was now, but were watching some show on netflix.

And you know you just you see one guy walk past your your window and then you see another guy walk past your window. And it's just a secret service agent controlling just little things like that. So yeah, you and you recognized that your zone of privacy is a very zero and that takes some adJusting and getting used to. And you know, they're all of these these small little adjustments. But by and large, honestly, like I love our secret service detail, our kids are really into them. They sort to see them as their police protective ors are seven year old it's funny, know he's a second grade and one of his buddies, their parents, came down and said, do you know that the kids are playing this game in school called called boss man, where basically one second greater will walk down the hallway or on down the playground flanked by two separate second great.

like they are playing .

secret service secret in school. So like all the one, that's a really bizarre. And I hope that IT doesn't permanently screw up psychological development of my kid. On the other hand, it's kind of funny and you just go with the flow and you try to work with IT.

Yeah, I guess they're just making fun with IT. yeah. Is like, did you have presidential aspirations before all this? This is something that you would consider about the future.

Was IT. Like, how did you approach this? Yeah.

I mean, it's one of these things when you're elected to the senate, and i'm pretty Young.

Y, that was on the second, the Youngest united states senator right now you certain ly think, like, is this something I might do in the future? What does this look like? What would you need to do in terms of getting your family in the right medal space and just make IT that happen? But it's all very abstract, right? It's not all that different from, you know, ten years ago thinking about starting a business that I never started, right? Just things you think about but you never really think that hard about, right? And that's that was kind of my attitude towards IT.

I started to realize that trump was thinking pretty seriously about making me his VP nominee probably earlier this year because he would ask me a lot about who I felt the VP nominee should be. And I think and and I give them names of people that I thought would be pretty good added, and a lot of the names that I gave him, he he would criticize. And I almost felt like he was inviting me to throw myself out there.

But that mean, it's funny. The morning that he was shot in in a Butler, pa, was the first time that he, I ever talked about IT. So IT was a saturday.

Just think thinking about, I guess, what's probably june thirteen th because I think the convention started une fifteen th. I go down the monolog of that morning, saturday morning, and i'm talking to him for the first time because immediately that asked me. I was like one of the rumor shortly.

Less candidate. I keep on get these questions from reporters. Have you ever been have you ever had this conversation drop and the honest and was no, well, saturday morning that change because they go down there and is like, what do you think? Why should I choose you? Why should I not choose these other guys that we just had a conversation running? You know, I don't really know actually, I really don't.

I think I .

think that there were a couple of centers that were being considered a couple of governors, a couple of former cabinet secretary, but you don't really know, because when done ald, trump SAT me down me, he talked about ten different people that didn't thinking about naming. And this was two days .

before he made the selections. So he's playing like a little could see how. Jd, thanks. game.

Yeah, I think so. And you know, he told me that the he was talking to the gardener morale go about who the who the vice present on harmony should be and that's why not, I think trumps sort of political genius as as he talks to everybody about everything. And I was like the what the garner more logo have to say about this conversation, because this really directly impacts my life.

And you, he, he basically said, well, I think i'm gonna pick you, but I don't know, and i'm not ready to make a decision. And then he looks at one of his staff members who who's in the rooms like actually wouldn't really set the world to blaze if we just made the decisions today. And so why don't you come up with me and we'll just do the announcement in, but we're pennsylvany and I said, and of course, not knowing at the time what was gonna en, I was like, absolutely, let's get this over with with because i'm sick of not knowing what.

Just get this thing over with and then he's like, no, I am not going to do IT up there. We need to prepare for Better. So look, i'm not saying it's going to be you, but i'm taking very seriously about IT half fun.

We'll see after buller, pa. And then of course, I go back home to ho, he gets shot. You know the initial reaction as I actually thought they had killed them because when he's firstly the video, he grabbed his ear and then he goes down and i'm like a whole, my god, they just killed them.

And I was so I mean, I was so pissed. But then I go into like fighter flight mode with my kids. I'm like, you know, our kids. You know, we are we are a mini golf place in since an idio.

Hi, I grab my kids up, thrown in the car, go home and look all my guns and basically stand like a centry front or and that was my that was sort of my reaction to in any way. I really didn't know I was going to happen til monday morning. I didn't know who else was being selected.

I think IT was all the names that people sort of see out there, right? All good guys like nobody. I have any any personal IOS ity towards, but obviously, you know.

here we are. How much did you study the story of the attempted, the attention?

I've read a fair about about IT, and it's pretty bizarre.

very bizarre.

It's bizarre. They have been able to get into his phone.

They they got into his phone. Didn't I thought that? I thought they said they, I maybe, you know, well, maybe they have got .

into his phone that they couldn't access this encysted and messages or something. I thought there was some deal where they they haven't really gotten communication yet. Yes.

I may be had closely as you have.

so I don't take that as goes.

Probably you have access to more information, but maybe you can't title.

No, there's nothing about this that I have access to information I can talk about.

Well, there was a lot of weird stuff to one of them is that is where he lived, was professionally scrubbed. So they got there. There was no silver wear.

No silver wear. That's rubb, right? Yeah, there's nothing.

There's no, no, no DNA. No hard drives. No, nothing.

Well, and how do you get that close? I know you know, do you shook ones? Yeah okay. So i'm a pretty good shot. I serve in the ring core four years an air of fifteen from one hundred and forty yards .

away is tip show even without a scope?

He didn't have a scope, right? I don't believe had a scope, but even without a scope in many times fifteen of scope there is no IT is shocking at his live he really is. I mean, i'm a person of faith, but I I think it's a genuine miracle that that guide didn't kill them. But how did you get so close? There's a lot of really big questions.

You should be asked him around the area with a range finder before the event .

and people were yelling and saying, is on the guys on the roof and there was that crazy? I think he was a BBC report, somebody with an english accent who did the report on the ground with a guy. He's got a mag ahead on in a bloodline. He's on a but light. He's got some beer and he's talking to this guy who saw crooks get on the roof and his yellow adam, it's an amazing clip is yellow atom like, hey, is only police also say, hey, this guys on the roof go and get them and nobody respond to IT and it's the whole thing is very efficient to me. I hope that we ve win and then get to the bottom because I think somebody clearly screwed up.

not IT doesn't seem like just screwed up like the the excuse of the lady in the secret service had that they couldn't put snipers on the roof because the roof was sloped like all of IT is bananas.

That's dict ous ICU ous.

And the miracle is trump turns head at the last second. It's very last second. He turns his head.

Look at the car and the bullets as grazes as year. That's he's got to people keep. There's a stupid conspiracy out there.

He's got a mark on his year. I saw IT. He has a market in this year and people I wars in their hole in this year because it's just the edge .

of the skin got that is the .

luckier of lucky shot ever for him and enough for the people that are behind them because a couple of people got shot. And anybody thinks that that was staged. You don't understand shooting.

There's no way you can Grace someone's year from one hundred and twenty years. You can hit them, send a must. You're not going to be able to Grace her here. You can kill them easily accidentally, if you are faking some.

Well, we've all seen the graphics right to here, him turning his head. And if he hadn't turned his head, that IT won't went right through his brain.

And there was another one that went to the left side .

of him that barely miss you. M, yeah, that barely missed him.

And then instantly that guys dead, and then they take a hold of his body. He's created ten days later. There's no press conference.

There's no toxic logy report. No one talks about IT on the news, right? Anyway.

there's a school shooter. We usually have the person's manifesto out there yeah, a day or two later yeah we know nothing about the mode of here, which I think is the craziest thing. You know, i've obviously he's motivated because he hate stunt trump, but you don't know anything about the secondary motive. Man, IT is weird time.

We don't get a manifesto s when their when the trains .

they hide those benefits. Its the national shooter and that was crazy. I hear any of IT i've read some of IT. It's pretty wild and yeah mean .

that that's bad for the cause .

that's they decide to suppress IT but no, the nature shooter I mean, just while we're on the topic, winning and murdered a bunch of children at a Christian school because he or SHE like whatever was motivated by some very radical trans ideology and that is something we should talk more about.

is a country one hundred percent and they didn't want? If if there's any other ideology that LED someone to mass murder, you would examine that ideology very carefully. Some sort of radical religion people would be like very concerned about that radical religion that's right. And IT is it's radical religious world is weird idea that you are so virtuous and so correct, you're allowed to commit violence again. See these other picture because of their oppressors .

even know their children well. You know these signs that are in super woke neighbor and i'm sure there's plenty of them and awesome like in this house, we believe science is real. No person you know i'm talking about okay, so I don't know your religious background, but like i'm i'm a convert to catholic.

M thick was raised Christian, became an atheistic back, got baptised catholic five, six years ago. And what is so interesting about this, in this house, we believe, is IT so similar to the creed that you declare every day at a catholic mass, right? We believe in one lord jesus Christ, the only begotten son of god.

And there's almost a similar cats between the the Christian creed and what these these guys are doing with this hyper woke stuff. And then there's the ralles and then there's, of course, the various rituals. And IT absolutely is a religious faith.

There was this really interesting post that was, no, I forget exactly who wrote IT, but the title was gay rights as what was IT. IT was like gay rights as religious rights, but the second rights was ritts. And IT was a guy.

I was like A A rogate rights guy, but sort of made the observation that when you get into the really radical trans stuff, you actually start to notice the similarities between a practice, religious faith and what these guys are doing now. And it's very, I actually earlier with a friend who lives in awesome, who's like a kind of a gay ragging democrat and what is a fascinating guys, one of the smartest st. Political philosopher I think .

how do you be a gay reagan democrat?

I don't know. It's just kind of easy. Well, mean.

he's he's basic like now .

what you call trump republican, but he's a political philosopher. He rights about economics, right? That sort of how I got connected to my idea was gay when I first met him. But you never forget, he sent me something like six or seven years ago. And IT was eliza's warn when he was running for president.

And he was like, we stand for all non binary two spirit and all all of the like LGBT I plus SHE was talking about all the plus, and he was terrifying. And he sent me this this text message with this eliza's warn tweet. And he's like, I don't know what the health two spirit is.

We just wanted to be left the and I think that, Frankly, I didn't be surprised if me and top one, just the Normal gay guy vote because again, they just wanted to be left the hell alone. And now you have all this crazy stuff on top of that. They're like that. We did didn't want to give pharmacy dal products to nine year old who are transitioning their gender. We just wanted to be left the hell alone.

Well, a lot of gay guys feel like the whole movement is homophobic, which is ironic because they think they think that there's people think there's something wrong with being gay, so which really are as a girl, yes. And they think that a lot of this is being given. These thoughts are being given to gay kids. These kids will just grow to be gay men and instead you're getting them to .

convert their gender pharmacy conversion therapy.

right? And it's profitable, which is terrifying. It's terrifying once corporations, once pharma udal corporations have they have a pattern in a history of profiting off of things they want to keep profiting off IT. They don't want to just stop. And so right now, this has become a profitable venture that scaled if you could look like two thousand and seven and two thousand and twenty four, there's way more these air quotes gender firming care centers, yes, and they're profitable well.

And this used to be something that the old left, right, the criticism that was made of american health care, which I always thought made some sense as a conservative guy, is that when you have the profit motive influencing government policy around health care, then yeah, okay. Sometimes the profit motive can be a good thing, like we're to develop life saving cancer drugs. We want that to happen.

And right, i'm time with people making a big profit for that. But then sometimes they'll try to manipulate government policy to make their own drugs more profitable, not because it's good for health, but because these people just naturally, like most people, want to make some money. That conversation has totally disappeared.

Like I got into a big argument in, you know, this person you can read about the new york times later, disavow our friendship and lead our text messages to the new york times. But the breaking point was, I came out against this gender transition for minors when I was running for the senate a few years ago. And she's a tranter individual and SHE kind of flipped out on me.

And the thing that I never understood, because she's like very much in old school leftist, is are you not at all a little bit worried about how rich people are getting by prescribing experimental therapeutics to nine, ten, twelve old kids? Like this used to be something that the american left would have gone crazy about and now the the only people who are raising concerns about IT our conservative republicans. But we should be concerned when because it's not just like the lobbying and the influence.

I mean, there's something called the diagnostic statistical manual. It's sort of the the manual psychiatric disorders, and I think they are wrong. The dsm five, as it's called, which is the fifth edition of this manual, you have drug companies, they are making money.

They're a lobbying to have you child deza ia put into our psychiatric manuals because then psychiatrists will treat that condition, and then those pharmacology companies will get rich from IT. Somebody should be interrogating whether the political and snails of our country actually line with the financial incentives of the pharmaceutical industry, because often times the answer is going to be no. But nobody's asking that question.

Well, we've always known that children are very easily influenced and that children shouldn't be allow to make life changing decision when they're a very Young. That's why they can get atoi.

absolutely.

We've always do that. And then all the sudden, because of gender, that's a band, we've completely changed the way we think that children, oh, they just know, I know my numbing conversations of people who believe that, and IT all falls apart.

If you just keep asking questions, just ask him to define, how could you know this? What about the development of the frontal lobe? What about this understanding that children have never been able to make life changing decisions?

You don't allow them to drink out all. You don't allow to get that too. They can change the military when they can see.

You can do in your little kid why you letting them just changed their gender. And what is this? me. And then the new york times thing that comes out where IT shows that they had a whole study about these puberty blockers that showed that they do not help the children's mental health and that they probably have a lot of horrific side effects. And so they decide not they .

decide to publish that right, which shows you the corruption of science, is that we're actually not publishing studies that suggest the gender transition craziness has reached the boiling, boiling point. I mean, you kids, I have a four old and year old every single day, my four year old, two year old will come to me and say something that is batched shit insane because they're four and two yeah like my four year will come and say, daddie, i'm a dinosaur. I'm going taken to like the dinosaur ansip clinic and put .

scales on and some parents it's the i'm going to say IT even though IT sounds gross, they want their kid to be a part of the lgbtq thing because IT looks like a flag of virtue that they can post in the front long oh, look, we have a clear child like, oh, you're amazing.

There's a weird thing about with some of these nutty parents where you could imagine them, there has to be some reason why there's enormous percentage of hollywood kids are trans like how many celebrities have trans kids? It's new. It's not a thing that was going on. Just if IT was rare in test.

IT becomes the social signifier for a lot of parents. And we have to be honest about that fact. And if you look at look at where the gender craziness is the most common, it's most common among upper middle class to lower middle class White progressives.

Now you could believe, okay, there's just like something genetic going on in the mind of a wealthy White progressive. Or you could believe that this is a cultural trend that we should be questioning a lot more than we are right now, unfortunately. I mean, here's one thing that I really worry about is okay, think about the incident.

People are very good at rationalizing things. If you are a you know middle class or upper middle class White parent, and the only thing you care about is whether your child goes into harvard or yale, like obviously that pathway has become a lot harder for a lot of upper middle class kids. But the one way that those people can participate in the D E I bureaucracy in this country is to be trans.

And is there a dynamic that's going on where if you become trends, that is the way to reject your White privilege, right? That's the social signifier. The only one that's available in the hyper woe mindset is, if you become gender on binary.

my binary is the best one because you don't even have to do anything. You just say i'm not I could say i'm not binary and like you don't have to do anything but all sudden you are part of the group yeah well.

that's right. And again, and I think it's important to sort of most people are not saying i'm White, privileged, how to wide become part of the privilege set, but it's these weird ways in which these ideas creep in to the mind, to the mainstream. And people are very good at rationalizing these things.

And so what I think twenty, thirty years ago, even very well to do, White progressives like an eleven year old says, I think eleven year old boy says, I think that i'm a girl most of the time we would have said, oh, that's particulars and crazy and ha ha, and come back to me in a couple of days now, I think there is this massive and cnnic to try to say, oh my god, is does that mean that my kid is trans? And I also think it's, to your point, very warping on the minds of Young kids because what they're now doing is taking Normal adolescent curiosity and Normal adolescent discomfort like, I don't know a single person who went from the ages of tend to fifteen who didn't say, oh, like sometimes I had some, you know, weird ideas. Are I dressed weird for a couple of years or something? right? It's a confusing phase for most americans. We take that Normal adolescent fusion confusion and then we try to medicalise IT and nobody saying, oh, when we do medalist IT, by the way, a lot of farm cdc companies get very rich off a bit.

Not only very rich, but then the child sterilized. Yes, mean, this is for a lot of these kids, you'll never be able to have children, never again, if they change your mind, if they one day decide, oh, I was just going through a confusing time my life. But now i've ruined my voice with hormones.

My over reaser destroyed. I had my tastes, ccs removed. The whole thing is crazy.

So this is where I have. The real breaking point with a friend that I mentioned earlier is SHE made this argument that puberty blockers are fully reversible. And i'd actually never heard that. And this is a few years ago, and i'd never heard that argument before.

And so I actually went, looked at IT and looked at the data on this, the idea that if you give puberty delaying, puberty blockers, whatever gona call them to kids who are eleven, twelve, thirteen, that that's fully reversible, that is completely and preposterously and saying, now even the most radical advocates of trans health care do not say that right, because look, mean, you have sexual diffunce. You have your point, you know hair and weird places that won't go away. You have voice changes that won't go away.

We're experimenting on tens of thousands of american children were making them miserable. It's not having any long term health benefit. It's making a lot of form. City of companies rich and its conservative republicans are the only one saying, maybe this is little crazy. Maybe we should stop.

Well, IT just shows you how a lot of this, if you can call a mind virus, whatever is IT IT does make people behave religiously. yes. So it's like they're ignoring all these signs because IT doesn't line up with this ideology that they subscribed to.

Like you you have to support trans kids. Like, okay, what are you science? How is this a new thing so pervasive? How is is everywhere? And how are you letting them compete with girls in school? This is this.

That one drives me bananas. When you have biological males, all they have to do is they don't even have requirements. In some schools, you don't have to be taking hormones you could just identify, and you can compete as a girl.

And of course, that causes injury to the Young girl, of course. And again, this gives me faith in the wisdom of the american people. Because if you see how radically the democrats leaned into the stuff four years ago, yeah, and how much, you know, comella hero is running away from IT today, most americans, they don't really care who you sleep with.

They're pretty open minded about most lifestyle choices. But when you talk about having a biological male compete with their teenage girl and competitive sports, americans are saying, no, no, no, no, this is crazy. You're causing injury to my kids. We have to stop this.

Only that is like ruins. Chances of getting scholarships if you were the number one player and then all the sun, some guy comes along, who was lipstick now he's the number one girl on the team. Like what are you talking about?

yes. Yeah.

there was a recent pool tournament in england. There was a woman's pool tournament in the semifinals. Two guys are playing each other. Yeah.

well, IT looks when you see them in the actual, in a swimming pool competing. IT looks like the biological males are running at one point five x speed, and everybody else is running Normal speed, right? This is just clearly different.

And to your point, about IT destroys opportunities for scholarships. And we can go back to the original reason why we wanted girl sports, why we have title nine in united states, america, to begin with. Like, we recognize the competitive sports.

Like, what is IT teach, right? IT teaches you how to participate on a team. IT teaches you to recognize your own weaknesses in the strength of your teammates, and vice versa, right? Like I, the father of a two year old daughter, I want my daughter to learn these important life skills. I don't want her going into athletic competitions where i'm terrified she's going to get bludger into death because we're allowing a six foot one male to compete with her in sports where you should not have biological males competing with biological females.

Not only that, but they get to change with them in the locker rooms. That's where I think there is one in canada where a fifty year old man identified as a teenage girl, he was a professor. Do you know .

what this guy and was?

He was changing. He was in a swim with teenage girls. Yes, and he's changing in the same workroom with them.

And then the problem .

that is people, there's there's the cholos ical condition called auto gannion ilia and autogas Philips, where men are sexually aroused by the idea of dressing and behaving like a woman, but they're heterosexual. Now of the sudden, these people with this known psychiatric disorder. Are allowed to just identify as a woman and you're a big IT if you don't let them change .

in the woman and you're expected to empower them at the expense of Young women who are very often much more vulnerable for obvious reasons than Young men. Reminds me of so the very first congressional delegation trip that ever took was to paris. I think IT was to paris and is part of the paris air show in ohio.

Has all these, you know, aviation interest in any way? Long story show? I was talking a very conservative woman at the parasites show who was from mississippi, and he was probably sixty five, seventy.

And IT was really interesting because I was just like, you know, how do you find the city? She's never been appearance before. And I just know, interested in people. So I was asking, and he said, you know, what's really interesting is I just feel like paris, I would think of is very liberal, but I actually think paris is more conservative than some of the big cities in the united states.

And I said, i'll tell me more about this and this woman doesn't know me very well and she's clearly kind of embarrass to tell me but SHE walks through. SHE says, well, I just don't see any people like when you're in paris, the girls are girls and the boys are boys and that's true and terrace, and that's not necessarily true. And some are big cities and and then he says, he says he is a similar vet. I'm embarrass to tell you this, but what I was in new york city recently, I saw a grown man who was walking around in a mini skirt. And then SHE is very good, he said, some fans, I could see his balls.

You probably want of you to see as well.

And you realize you, oh my god, this is, this is not empowerment. This is not respecting lifestyle choices. We're letting a grown man rock around in a mini skirt and brought daylight like what you I fear you .

should be allowed to wear mini skirt. If a girl to wear many Carry, you could wear a minute. Carry does not what bows me, but would use me if I have to see your .

to flash people in the daylight in new ork city you are just that's what you're doing europol. And I want I want all of us to say whatever you're political persuading, just say no that's weird, right? You know a lot to walk down the street in flash children in the middle of the world's, the america's biggest city. And IT reminds me, no manual macro is the leader of france made this observation about, somebody asked him, why has an all the trends stuff made its way into france? And the man micro says, well, in france we have two genres that's planning I kind of wish that was the attitude that we had in the united states of america.

Well, if you ever heard mark and recent breakdown um that why woke is like a cult. He does brilliant guys.

very good friend. And I like this.

Yes, it's brilliant. And he talks about how you can be extricated from the calls. You don't follow the doctor and you have to follow religiously to the letter. That's where all this stuff like if you're allowing guys just have their balls hanging out walking on the tree because it's empowering yeah and because like you're being inclusive like no.

yes, it's a cult in is a religion, but with one big difference. And I think this is actually, this is ably one of the things that let me back to my own faith. But I sort of just a fundamental background belief I have about humanity is we're the hardware right are biological organisms where the hardware and the software is the ideas that we have in our head.

And certain software promotes human foot flashing and certain software destroys human flashing. And I think that the good kind of ideas tend to promote human flourishing. What is what, you know, most world religions have, but the work stuff doesn't have, is forgiveness and redemption.

Yes, IT has the excommunicating part, but IT doesn't have the forgiveness and redeem tion part. Most people recognize that even if you violate some fundamental moral value that I have, if you apologize and try to be a good person, we're going to be forgiving. We want people to be able to live together.

There is this weird thing with the wall stuff, where, when, and you see this, and I feel bad when, like comedians and particularly doing, i'm sure you have seen this, but when anybody does this, where they'll go and say, well, i'm really sorry that sort of frustrate themselves when they make an offensive joke, when they do something they're not supposed to do and they expect redemption. But no, no, no, they don't get forgiveness. What they get is you need to do even more of what you've already done.

IT becomes this self defeating, self loggers ating cycle. And I think that's the what's most destructive about this is you can't be friends with people if you think they're only, they're only ever wrong. They can only ever wrong you.

yes. And if they apologize, your response is not to say, okay, I accept your apology. If your responses to say no, I want you to apologize even more and even harder. That destroys human civilization that .

it's it's an interesting observation, right? Because IT really does behave like a religion, but it's a religion without like a good doctrine. Yes, it's a religion that hasn't been thought out by wise people where they haven't come up with these different like like the ten commandments or different pathways to to forgiveness. There's nothing. So it's a this thing that behaves like a religion, but it's not really well thought how.

And it's very ological and IT also combines format eur al drug companies and there's a lot other weird shit that's attached to this religion yes, that you kind of need like if if you're gonna a do this whole woke thing and like go guns a blazing and you're going to have to get drugs involved, like you're going have to you're gona have to do formal blockers. It's like IT doesn't just happen on its own and that somehow another is natural to them. Like this is how you be your true self. Like your true self is you add hormones that aren't supposed to be in your body that your reason how you know and it's irreversible are we fucked in?

sure. This is yeah and all, by the way, instead of your true self being, maybe I should be sceptical of some the crap that i'm putting into my body. I should lean into the idea that I should put more foreign things into the human body.

That's what to me, is so fascinating about IT is the true self like, you know, I think all of us, that sort of part of the human journey for truth, all asking who is know? Who are we? What is our truth self? And maybe we should be asking our self.

This is sort of more of a bobbi Kennedy point, but why are we putting all this weird crap into our food, into our water? Maybe we should be a little bit more skeptical, like my body is a temple, rather than i'm going to welcome even more pharmacology intervention into the human body is very interesting how some religions view the body is a temple, and some religions almost invite the pollution. I think the woke thing is inviting the pollution.

but they're also inviting. So one of the weirdest thing is, if you are on the wrong side of their ideology, like if you aligned with trump, like rf k juniors. Now also, I seem like people on the left that are trying to dismiss a lot of the things that he says about additives and food, about atrophy, fluoride de in the wall of these different things, because now they're connecting, not having toxins in your food with our rights wing idea.

It's crazy. It's my so bananas .

like even being healthy fitness, fitness. They're connecting fitness with a right wing idea yeah .

well and IT IT raises, one of my sort of core political beliefs is that our politics is focused on fake shit and distractions to distract us from the real stuff, right? And so if i'm looking at the environmental movement, the united states of america, and I don't even have like strong views on what the carbon footprint ultimately does, i'm sort of skeptical of the experts here, but i'm also skeptical of, you know, the other side.

I just don't really know what I think about this. I think get insane to try to eliminate fossil fuels. That's kind of a belief that I have. But it's interesting that the environmental movement in america, the only thing that to talks about is the carbon footprint.

And IT never talks about like, oh, why do we have the highest rates of obesity in the world right now? Why is IT that american kids spend less time outdoors in nature then they ever have in the history of our two hundred, hundred and fifty years civilization, there is this weird way in which we get distracted by the fake stuff instead of focusing on the real stuff. And I think there is a really very important environmental conversation to be had.

IT was interesting when when the first things happen, rise. The senator is who this terrible, trained argument in east palestine, ohio, got a lot of headlines. And IT was a mistake at the time. That was an obvious.

They basically set off a few of the chemical cars, which mean, if you see the images, that looks like like a nuclear bomb went off in this palestine y ohio, but it's putting vinal gli all these other pollutants into the water, into the air, into the soil. And IT was amazing. The environmental movement almost could not have Carried less about a chemical explosion in rural ohio that is potentially poisoning thousands of people.

But they were really, really concerned about the carbon footprint of those same people. I'm sick of the distraction. I think we should focus on the real stuff. And unfortunately, it's true the environmental policy, but it's true of a lot of other stuff. We just don't talk about the .

real thing the carbon footprint think is very concerning to me because i'm seeing this concept that being pushed out of having an APP that monitors your carbon footprint and limiting the amount of travel you can do and limiting the amount thing I know that's .

going to go yeah.

just control. It's just control and l and if you can do that, then you can get away with a lot of things. You get a lot of a lot of policy.

You get away with a lot of decisions that are made that people wouldn't be with because you're gonna MIT so many things about their life, they are going to become a customer to being governed that in that way. It's disturbing to me that there's also a profit that's being made of the Green movement. There's a lot of people, the girls who have like making a lot of money off of these environmentally conscious things.

Million of here by.

Author is full ship fake food that fake me, which is not good for anybody.

You read about fake meat .

folks read about how they're making this. And i'm not talking about three d printed meat, which is a very different thing that seems to be at least more consumable but for like the plant based meat stuff that's garbage as service garbage, highly process garbage. Have you want any vegetables and beat vegetarian? Eat indian food OK.

It's like they make really .

delicious food. They make arian and it's actually vegetable yeah, it's not this crazy fake cheeseburger thing that .

you stop .

eating that .

I first start dating my wife. I just had no idea like what vegetarians are, right? I M potatoes guy from ohio, and I wanted to make her dinner. And I want to really impress her because I was like madly in love other.

and did you cook beef?

No, the meal that, the meal that I made her. I'm not proud of this, but i'll tell you was, you know what cresent roles are? There's like pills, berry east roles.

So I rolled out a flat thing of credit roles. I put raw broccoli on top of IT, I sprinkled around dressing, and I suck in the open for forty five. And I was a disgusting. And that was my vegetarian pizza that I made.

You followed, no, like, just like.

it's like cream. I see, you know, daily it's broccoli and his bread, right? That's what vegetarians eat.

So yeah, I think that to your point, vegetarian food can actually be quite good. Yes, I don't know. I still, I still like i'm kind of one of these people wear. If I don't have a piece of meat, it's not a complete meal, but if you're any vegetarian, eat pennie and rice and ah delicious chickpea ce, do not eat this disgusting fake me.

I'm just very skeptical when someone is promoting things for either global health or for the environment. And then I find out that they have a total of money invested in companies that could absolutely fit those need is a real problems for lanthorns italy.

M, it's a very weird man. We, to look at nike, we have to look at the financial, this. So what are the big things that mean in present? Trump confront all the time as the accusation that were somehow, like in bed with russia, the dumbest thing in the world to me like I don't really care about russia. I just don't think we should have a nuclear war like writ large and very .

anti nuclear world reasonable.

Thank you. Appreciate that. And one of the things they never interrogate is who is the biggest funder of the Green energy movement in europe.

It's the russians. And why are the russians funding? Is not because they care about climate change. It's because they want the germans and everybody else to buy russian natural gas. And they realized that if the german and french closed down other coal and nuclear factories, russia is going to have them by the balls.

but.

Oh, it's you mind. IT .

okay. jesson.

Holy shit, the russians.

the russians are monitoring the fuck conversation.

yeah. Oh, I hear me now. Yeah, I hear me.

Yeah.

okay, got IT. Ah, hi. We'll be .

read back up. I'm back. yeah.

But I don't even know if I want to stay back, how I know .

if IT keeps working. Okay, should we shift or should we just let's try this.

and then we can just let me know off again. And my headphones on, he goes again, had a slight texting problems in gender. So where were we? Dg, yes.

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must be.

Okay, it's back. It's back. Jammy Jamie, you gotta replace this.

I keep saying that, but now you really do. We good. I hear.

Okay, i'm gonna move. I'm not touching anything. What were we just talking about .

what we're talking about? How ask why do the germans shut down the nuclear facilities? I know it's there are shutting down coal. They're shutting down any of their base power and leaning really into solar and wind. But again, the Green energy movement in europe is heavily funded by the russians because the russians want to have, because they produce so much natural gas, they want to have europe by the balls.

So again, how do they convince them to shut .

down their nuclear power? Well, the gates, convincing to each fake, all stuff about the environment. Well, that's true. Ly trying to.

But I promise you, you look at him and you go, hey. How your health expert, this is you. The funniest thing ever was when iran put to showed a photo of bill gates next to a photo of a pregnant manoj and he said, if you want to lose a bona real que.

that's a wild boy, and you want this funny a shit man.

he's really, I got a suck. You can even .

say is a dumas. You say many things. You can say the dumb down.

but one of the smartest guys alive. But point is like bill doesn't look good, looks terrible. He's aging way harder than trump like IT doesn't whatever you're doing donne like that anymore?

I go to an actual doctor like I don't know what you're dealing with, telling you're fake me this is you look like shit so you can give you advice. This is crazy. You can give you advice about health. Yeah, you're not a healthy person.

That's right. I did. So there's just a thing called the munich e security conference in in germany obviously is in munich. It's kind of like davos but for a national security and I went there is like a big deal for me because I went in there is the one skeptic and the entire this like massive euro complex combo hera is there.

I want as the person is skeptical of continued escalation ukraine because I think that what we're doing in ukraine is insane and that we should have a policy effectively of promoting peace in the region. And we we walk in. And one of the people that i'm on the panel with is the leader of the german Green party.

And you know, she's she's like thirty years old. And he really, really cares about russia, ukrainian, like the Youngest person in the german government. And you realize you are like the exact like you guys are literally russian influence, like you are accusing me of wanting to russia's bidding.

You're encouraging your own country from the purchase government to shut down all baseload power, and you're not even self aware about how much of your own propaganda is funded by the country that's benefiting from this. The lack of ability to interrogate me bill gates you like maybe he's a good guy. I'm highly skeptical.

I don't know very well, but he's getting rich off of all of this stuff that he's supporting in the name of health or in the name of climate. Our inability just ask ourselves who's getting rich from this stuff? Maybe we should be skeptical of the people getting rich from the stuff is one of our big failures as a political .

society is a sheep costume. You put on a sheep costume.

And that's .

when you make a lot of money with global health. Who does want global health? What a nice guy. Ah oh, he's like very philanthropic. He's spending all this money trying to help poor people and then you find out much you made on five hundred million dollars do that.

That's crazy.

It's a very sneaking y move. But he he's a smart guy. He's a lot of very sneaky moves like the donating all the money to the media companies, which is why they never criticism he's done, is like three hundred fifty million dollars, all these different companies, right?

Or this is, I think one of the reasons why we don't have more people asking questions about big format course is the entire national media. Think about how many pharmacie advertisements watch when you watch a football game.

Yeah, let's kit into this because this is an interesting one. So one of things that happened that separated us from the rest of the world, other than new zealand in the ninety nineties, they allowed pharmacists, drug companies to advertise. What is? Is that something that has to stay that way? Is that something that could be changed in with policy? Or is the financial incentives of that too big to move?

Or you could change IT with policy? I don't know you would .

get have enough support to do something like.

So i've been critical of farm udal advertising for a long time. My assumption is that there are not enough people who would like to do to actually get IT done, but you never actually talk to my colleagues about IT. So maybe it's possible.

I bet, if you ask the american people, you know, I bet that's one of those things, if you put IT to a national vote instead of the representative, is a problem of special interest group.

is the amount of the money here.

The whole kind .

of would of money in the politics is fundamental. Ke, and I think we have to fix that. I mean, OK, here's the thing, and I say this is a critical of arma ec vertie. Whenever I see a farmer add, and I prety much only see them when i'm watching football, i'm always shocked that they actually influence anybody, right? Because it's like, oh, take drug from room toy, arthritic.

And you can have all these positive experiences, like all the side effects are, you know, erect tile, this function, rashes on your face, suicide tumors in your brain, and you will hate yourself and be depressed. So you only need to dragon, and I always want to like you get so many of these weird side effects in the advertisements, how how do they actually work? So I actually think that the real corruption is not really that they like persuade americans. And if you're going to take a drug, you're probably going to take a drug based on conversations with your doctor more than a former advertisement. But they do corrupt the media ecosystem because if you're getting all that money from the former companies that you're not going to launch investigations into, some of things you should be launching .

investigations into one hundred percent. And that's why it's dangerous because it's not like these are completely innocent. Companies have never done anything wrong. So if you all the sudden have them removed from your list of people that you're investigating just because they advertise that have essentially bribed you, that's they've bribed you and you're supposed to be the people that distribute the actual news to the american people and you're compromise.

So okay, so let me tell you this this story. And this is okay. This is purely secondary. So if you know somebody tries a fact, I could. I heard this from a friend, but I heard IT from a friend I trusted.

So he was a guy I knew, and he worked at the largest industry, lobbing organza for the pharmacist companies. And I was in dc. This a long time ago, and I just kind of ran into them and know I care a lot about the opposite problem.

My mom started with thier waits for very long time. She's been clean a sober for a while, but i'm very proud of you. I love you, mom.

I know you're watching this, but during in this guy, the street D. C, and he he had just quit his job for this political lobby organizational that he was talking about quitting. And I was like, wise, like, man, we just did something is a very dark.

And basically what they had figured out is because american indian tribes of americans have tribal sovereign. And so they figured out, I guess, that if they gave some native american tribe some fraction of a fraction of a penny of the royalties from the cell of opioid, that they could actually insulate themselves from litigation around the prescription opioid epidemic. And I guess this guy was just like, thought I was so dirty that he was like, I can't I can't work for this organization any more and I was like, holy shit, that is some pretty dark stuff.

So you guys are giving some native american tribe like pennies so that you can isolate yourself from pharmaceutical tigers. I'd be very curious. I should follow up on this to see if that actually happened. But again, just to be clear, if the media tries to fact check me.

this is what I heard the yeah jay.

i'm very curious if this actually happened look, look into IT. I I think that did happen because I saw the look on this guy's face and he was like.

man is some pretty dark stuff that's but that's how corporations behave. Now we were just at the trigonometry ory guys. We're on here yesterday and we were talking about IT the corporations behaving like psychopaths like that's there's a book about IT it's like they to describe how this endless pursuit really jme whatever I moved .

the mike tell me.

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this is the got try right now.

Tell me now.

I think .

I heard that click .

I was good was, is the pharmaceutical companies using giving royalty streams to native american tribes to insulate ate themselves from lawsuit in anyway.

yeah, it's very scary stuff.

Well, yeah, it's this is like one of the things that I think is genuinely different about. And I want to get two two parties in political hear, but about donal trumps republican party is an obviously like there are corporations that we were more pro certain businesses and we tend to be more anti certain businesses like, for example, big tech. I hate big deck on that later. But fundamentally, I think president trump p has changed the mindset of the republican party. To wear IT was like, instinctively, always pro corporate.

We're now sometimes willing to ask, well, as this corporations interest in the american interest, like there was this famous quote, I believe, from the leadership of gm back in the thousand nine hundred fifties, that general motor's interest is america's interest and i'm probably between the quote, but sort of periphrase, can anybody really, in twenty twenty four, say that google's interest is america's interest, or apple, which employees thousands of slaves and chinen is apple's interests, amErica interests? Like I just don't. That's ridiculous. And the fact that we're at least somewhat skeptical of corporate power in the republic lan party, I think is a very good trend.

That is kind of weird that one of the vogues companies, if you thought about like woke companies, like super progressive and like on the right side of everything, apple apples like one of the best ones, and they have phones that are made by slaves, like the people.

Fini.

yeah, the people are, they are put nets around the building. Is so many of them were jumping to their deaths. Instead of fixing the work condition.

just go so so that people can come into .

crazy thing is you still like all these, like progressive people are using these devices to talk about like important social issues.

Well, well, talking about distractions, right? The distance, like distraction politics versus real politics. If apple says hashtag be a limb and gives a few million dollars to its transfer, ts organization and the entire political left ignore res that they're .

profiting off a slave labor, it's bizarre. It's the apple change. Bedfords native american tribe big.

This is .

about the two thousand.

I think I saw that guy in like two thousand eight close. It's so grazy minutes.

so good. But it's what we are talking about. If you allow these corporations, look, they have an obligation to their shareholders. They have to make more money.

What's the best way to make more money? Not get to what's the best way to get to the l really psychopath work in sixteen hours. I'm going to plan to give sad to here and IT works .

it's legal who i'm sorry like, look, I get the apparent to make money but the guy who thought that up is a great day sociopathy mean that person is, I don't want them anywhere .

in my kids you got ta put guard rails. Why in trading up? This is, don't people go here?

This is why, look, corporations want to go make money. They should make money fine. But my job is public and social policy. And what really pisses me off, and Frankly, what should pissed off more republicans? Because gaining historically, the republican parties been the more proportionate party we should be saying to. The more that these corporations are engaged in social policy, in particular left wing social policy, the more that we should be saying, I don't know that I want to give you everything that you want, which is, of course, what the historical party did, but I think is much different in the last few years.

I'm just cared that the denticles of the pharmacy dual industry are so deeply entangled in politics and in media that you can just shake them off off. You can just say, hey, you can advertise on TV anymore or hey, you you no longer have exemption from responsibility from the side effects of certain drugs because that whole thing they pulled off with exemption of pharmaceutical companies being responsible injuries .

injure from that was crazy, crazy because you just power these people that .

have lied forever. yeah.

Does still exit still exist? And that is totally insane. And I mean, no, so I I took I took the acts and you know, i've been boosted anything.

But the moment where I really started to get red pilled on the whole ax thing was the sick cus that I ve been in the last fifteen years by far, was when I took the vaccines. And I i've had covered at this point five times I was in bed for two days. My heart was racing.

I was like the fact that we're not even allowed to talk about that even I note no, like serious injury, but but even the fact that we're not even allowed to talk about the fact that I was as sick as i've ever been for two days and the worst covered experience I had was like a sinus infection. I'm not really willing to trade that. And you don't even know everybody that I know, a lot of people I know they talk about. The second shot that they got to the vaccine was really that made them really, really sick. Well, that's a side effect and not a side effect that we even talk about enough in this country.

No, it's and it's also, again, we're talking about companies that have a long history of lying and being forced to pay criminal fines, and then we're giving them this exemption from being responsible for any the side effects yeah .

and who do you think this big pharma companies donate to politically in twenty twenty four? I'll give you a big fat guess. By a significant margin.

Well, particularly with A R F K junior being attached to trump. With R F K junior comes a lot of you don't like there's a lot there's a lot that you're going to have to handle that. But that's the question is like is, are they so entrenched that it's impossible to these things that disturb us, the fact that y've exemption, any responsibility because of the vaccine, the fact that they have the ability to advertise on television, can those things be removed? Is that a possible thing?

I think it's a possible thing, but because I ve had actually done the work to figure out how many of my colleagues would sign onto this, I can't say whether it's like a certain thing or a likely thing or just something that we should be working on. What I I mean here is an any thought experiment.

If there was one thing that we could do to rain in the pharmacist companies, like what would IT be? Would IT be liability on the vast stuff? Would IT be advertising? My intuition is, actually IT might be the advertising on the health care stuff, because that's the way in which they engulf the media into this whole scheme.

That would be great. But the thing is important to.

because I will look into IT what all say here, because I would need to talk to people, see if this is impossible.

It's a weird one where you're not even allowed to question that you're not allowed to discuss, and that becomes very religious. Just like all these other things that we talk about, where you have this this thing that everybody speaks about, hush tones. People do people that have been vaccine injured, particularly people on the left, they're very reluctant to discuss IT, even publicly. I know people who are public, people who have had serious vaccine side effects, who do not want anyone to talk about, absolutely is scared of being labelled in anti vaca.

I have a cynical league who does not want to talk about IT but worries that it's like permanently affected his sort of since of baLance and disease and and yeah did IT happens? I've talked to a number people who think that they have got vaccine injured. So they were public about IT and some of them were not. But here's the thing like i'm not even you're probably more anti farmer than I am.

Like there are certain former I think they make great .

drugs that help .

people of dies die.

medication sick like the sickle cell, the stuff that's coming out now, we maybe have cured sickle l cell disease in black americans because of a gene therapy. The first I read about a couple weeks ago, actually, that the first experimental therapy and IT was hard for the kid who took IT. But you had like an eleven or twelve year year old black amErica just walk out of the hospital and he's probably care of SQL solutions.

That stuff is amazing. But I actually think that in some ways, what we should be encouraging these companies to do is that right? We want them to develop the life saving drugs. We don't want them to get rich by shedding themselves from liability or or working with native american tribes so that they don't get sued and actually think there maybe even is a harmony between those viewpoints because if they had to get rich by developing life saving their aaos, and that's the only way they can get rich, they probably do .

more that that's .

where public policy comes in. And that's where, like my job is to make sure that when the pharmaceutical al companies get rich, they get rich by curing diseases, not by doing like weird psychotic things with native .

american tribe. And you can't have this argument that we need exemption from responsibility because either wise, we're not to be able to profit of these like absolutely well, that means you're making stuff that too many people are getting sick from.

so they're fuck and wing. So socialized costs, right? It's all the biggest problems with corporate america, is socialized cost, but privatize profits, profits. And what you one is that you want major american companies, and I like them a believer in the market economy. You want them to absorb the benefits, but also the cost, and that's often what does that have, like, for example.

So I talk about this train disaster in east palestine, and the railroad companies hate me because I kind of went on a crude against them afterwards. And what I realized is, think of all the costs of that disaster, think of the health care costs, the welfare costs from people who lost their jobs, the declining home values in that community, just all of the cost absorb by that community, and the railroads are paying. Slap on the hand finds and IT sort of occur red to me that the reason there are not more serious about these train disasters is because they're privatising their words.

But when a major train disaster happens, who picks up the tab? It's the local resistance and it's the american taxpayer. And that's something that .

undammed ally has to change. Yeah, that has to change when you're talking about the cost from a place like east palestine. How much can they clean that up? Like how long does that stay toxic? Because IT was millions of gallons, right? Asn't something. What was the number of games?

gallons. But IT was a lot, and I hate to say the answer, the question, how much can they? How much can they clean up? The answer is, I don't know. And I actually this is one of my biggest frustration problems in my single biggest frustration over my time in the senate is when this happened, a bunch of the residents came to me.

It's actually very sweet, and even in a patriotic, but certainly self sacrificing, where they said, look, no one knows what the effect of the ship is going to be fifteen years down the road, right? Because we were not worried about, okay, guy drinks the water on his palestine and drops dead. The water levels did not have toxins at that level.

But the question was, what happens when you're in biting the stuff, breathing in and drinking at at low at trace levels for ten, fifteen years? Like, do you have we're diseases down the road, hopefully not write to pray every day that hopefully not, but you can only study that in the moment. And so we actually working with A A public health epidemiologist in north CarOlina, a and some ohio, we actually came up with a plan like, here's what you would need to do.

You'd collect samples in the first six months to a year after the disaster i'm talking about, like fingernail clipping, things like that. You establish a baseline of toxins in people's blood. And then five years later, ten years later, you try to figure out what the toxins war in people's blood five years, ten years down the road.

And then you'd ask yourself, what we're diseases, if any, are people starting to develop after five, ten, fifteen years, right? The long term health effects of this stuff and IT was, in some ways, a really interesting thing to study, because we had never had a chemical disaster where we try to study the effects of years down the road. And of course, how much would this a cost between five and twenty million dollars over the whole lifetime of the study? We couldn't get biden Harris, we couldn't even get some, my colleagues in the united states senate to give a shit.

And it's really frustrating me because the time is now passed, right? All of these people who are saying we are volunteering to be a ginni pig to understand the long term health consequences. The time has passed and we're never going to know because we didn't get the money to do the very small amount of money to do that study then. So you asked that question. The answer is, I don't know.

I tried like how to find out how do you think that there is someone influencing them to not fund these studies because they don't want responsibility for?

Well, yeah, I thought a lot about that. I think in this particular case, IT was just bureaucratic bullshit and too many people being distracted a lot. There's a lot of that, right.

And look sometimes to be clear, there is right movement ance lobby's who are in the year. I think of this case, IT was just a bunch of people in rural ohio that nobody except for know a few of us. I K about them, obviously, but no person in the Harris administration cared about.

And so when we went to the White house and just said, you could move money, like even just give us a couple million dollars to collect the samples and get the study started and then will privately funded down the road, we couldn't get anything from them. And I think that was just, they were like air. We've got bigger fish to fry.

Do so do you know what efforts have been made .

to clean that area up or no.

we are just so .

you twenty .

five thousand eight hundred grounds of til x twenty five thousand eight .

hundred winter R I ity. The test is one thousand .

of that.

yes. Oh.

each car has a car a different stuff. Yeah.

each car different stuff.

So what is the total of all of IT?

A one hundred thousand and its millions, two thousand galloons or so millions of leaders. But look, I mean.

and all that stuff just leaks into the groundwater IT goes to other .

people and rule there, as a lot of people warned, well, water, a lot of people are just breathing in the area. I mean.

we know what the health consequences are for those folks. Three years.

we won't know, and we may never really know, because we didn't collect the samples at the time, because you got establish the baseline. That was what my ibd biologist guy that I talk to in in north CarOlina said, you've got to establish the baseline because here's what's going to happen right? Fast forward ten years.

People get weird cancers, sometimes because chemical spills comes, sometimes because that's human biology. Somebody will sue the train company which is um uh norfolk I think north K S southern will to do the train company and they'll say i've got this weird cancer because of you and what north government will say is, no, you don't you don't have this weird cancer because of me. You have IT because of just you sort of lost the game of russian relate, that is human biology.

And what we could have said conclusively was yes or no. And unfortunately, we're not going to go to say that this is one of the things like we were in office the first, not the first, but the first disaster that we have, hopefully they are aren't any, but there are always are first chemical disaster that we are. We're going to take the infrastructure of that study. And right away, we're going to try .

to establish a baseline is IT possible to, I mean, is when you have a spill of that magnitude, can you actually get everything on the ground? You have to just remove all the ground. How would you wait up to test the ground waler, to make .

sure that doesn't credit you hear praising these guys that much. but. The local epa folks actually think that a pretty good job there on the water side, because what they basically did is they just ran the water in the creeks through a filtration system, cleaned IT, oxidized, IT, and then got the chemicals out of IT, and then put IT back into the system of.

The problem is the stuff is just in the ground. You can't really get that out. Remove the ground.

You would have to remove the ground and clean.

I don't even know how you would clean. I don't if we have the capacity to clean IT ah, what you can do is try you know as we did, we passed out bottle water and try to make sure that people weren't drinking the water until the levels of toxins hit a certain level and again, but the issue was never like the levels of toxins are going to kill you.

The issue is always, are they going to cause long term problems that had is when we got so focus on, I think the media got so focused on, is the water safe to drink? And like the question is not, is the water safe to drink? The question is, is the water safe to drink for the next fifteen years, right? And we're never going to answer that question.

Yeah, people are terrified of this idea of someone saboor tagine things like that, that have trains to contain toxic chemicals. People are terrified about the baboon of the grid in particular. That's one that a lot of people talked about, that we're very vulnerable. Like what can be done to sort of shore that up IT. Seems like cyber tax are possible.

physical tax are possible. yeah.

And if the grit goes down where we have a real problem, right.

we do the overall problem. We look this new ork times, or somebody else reported .

recently that my phone .

was allegedly .

hacked by chinese hackers.

And so no will find out the me. Should I share you some offensive memes and me telling my wife to get an extra gallon of milk at the grocery store? I know luckily i'm a pretty boring guys.

I don't think they really anything that's right.

Well, it's also I mean, it's apparently they couldn't get the encrypted messages that we're incense. So i'm pretty careful about like making sure I use signal, I message and all that anyway. So me, look, maybe they ve got some stuff for find out. I vinta I try to worry too much about sure I can control. But one thing that came up, by the way, in that and all go back to your question, is about the grid.

One thing that came up, and that is the way that they hacked and IT was also present troops phone, apparently too, the way that they hacked our phones is they used the back door telecom infrastructure that had been developed in the wake of the patriot. And this is something that I think should be a much bigger part of the controversy over the patriot, is when the patriot was passed like a and t arise, and they had to build all of these systems so that if somebody got a fighter warrant and could hack into a particular phone, the infrastructure actually existed. What i've been told is that that infrastructure was used by this chinese hacker organization called salt typhoon. And that's how they gone to the rise in network, and that's how they got into the A, T, N, T.

net was a great name, by the way. So typhoon.

pretty bad as name, right? If they have anything on me, I can't be too pissed off at at least they, they named themselves salt typhoon. But the answer, the question about the grid is this is actually is one of these things where if we had a functional government is pretty easy to to develop the systems because if you do like an amp attack, right? And Johnson, who's a number from wisconsin, is really preoccupied with this.

You know, IT doesn't take down the whole grid. What IT really screws with is the power transformer system. So what we should have is basically a backup power transformer for every major system in the united states of america.

You're sitting in aar warehouse that turned off. And because it's turned off, IT won't be affected. Biting in people's. And then if there is an imp attack, you just get those transformers to swap out the ones that were destroyed and then the greatest back up and running. It's actually a scandal. I think that the federal government has not just at one point, with all the money that we on defense and everything else just said, or to spend fifteen billion dollars to buy enough power transformers to have a backup for every transformer in the country, we should do that.

Yeah, one thing that trump talked about that a lot of people probably were unaware of was the damage of these wind turbans are doing to whales. I was totally aware. I had no idea until I watch .

your podcast with him. I knew a little .

bit about IT, but I I didn't read about IT until after I talk to him. It's a real problem.

a very real problem.

And what a canon drum for people that are so called environmentalists to think the wind is like that the cleanest option when it's not the turbines don't last. You can't recycle them. IT doesn't work .

in salt water in particular, which is what most of the world's water is. I think wind is the biggest game out there. It's total bull .

also pollution. When I see those semantic winds are ugly.

They are growth.

They're ugly.

Yeah I mean, I thought this where where we mean my wife used to be into rotas before we had to see a service detail and we took at all rota.

But the old days, man, we took a road trip through kansas or nebraska was I um is IT was one of the we went through all three of those states but I can't remember where you just go for miles and miles and you see nothing but when intervenes and is this is beautiful american countryside that used to be Green rolling hills and now you have these disgusting to stop an winter bums. I'm sorry, they are ugly. I will die on the hill. They're ugly. I don't want them in american society.

And nuclear power plants are actually more efficient, safer. And you don't have the problem like we think about the problems of nuclear waste, like they've kind of sorted a lot of those out. They haven't sorted out the problems of getting .

with these turbines. They not.

I have a body body to live in sale, texas, and I went to visit them. And you drive down there. And it's like an hour of turbines there. Everywhere there are so many cm s like the sky is turn to dark and see these things just .

spinning and just gross. They kill the birds. They apparently .

kill the little birds, you, the bird.

the yard IT really.

And it's clean, it's Green. It's like we're brainwash to think that these things somehow another beneficial because are attached.

this idea being environmentally, I thought, behind them and trying to turn. And that's obviously a source of energy because you have wind blowing through that energy that capture but is just not that good at IT with this, right? Maybe I just expect that IT was a mistake.

It's not that efficient. The political or the environmental costs are pretty significant. You know, solar, I think, is actually a little bit more reasonable because you can get a lot more of the power. They last a little bit longer. They're not nearly as ugly, and you can put them in places where people don't Frankly want to .

live that much anyway. I can desert things. They do those roofs now.

So I think that's a great way, right? That's just empty space. But when I think we should say this was a failed experiment, we are to stop subsidizing this. And if people want to have a winter bine grade, but we're not going to build miles and miles of winter bines anymore, at least not with tax.

very subsidy. But I just hope people recognize that the trade off is not worth IT like you're getting a little bit of electricity, you're really ruin the landscape, you're ruining the you, you're killing birds, you messing up whales and those things don't last that long. And then when you ve got to get rid of, if you ve got to put him in a landfill, like the whole things, bananas.

it's totally bananas. And again, it's we focus on the carbon footprint thing. And we don't talk about the fact that there are these massive environmental hazard that goes back to the distracted politics versus the real stuff. And we should be talking about the .

real environment culture also. No, it's one of those things that again, as much like a religion where you you must stay with the doctrine, you must you you must follow IT by the word.

Because if you step out a line and say, actually, when you look at these studies, IT doesn't really show that the world is warming IT shows that over the last x amount of thousands of years we're in a gradual cooling period and that what's really terrifying is global cooling. Yes no Randall crosson, who's an expert in uh asteroid collisions and the Younger drives impact theories, fascinating guy. But he says that the periods, the periods in history where we came very close to extinction are like when there's an ica. Yes, like those are the most terrifying, right? When there's global warming, you just move to where it's not so warm and that's what people done forever.

Well, any any deal with the technologically right? This is the thing that the solution to global warming for how along this warming tend last is to deal with the technologically right. If you look at the number of people who die from disasters in the united states, it's going down because we've gotten Better at predicting stuff in helping people deal things.

And of course, you still have terrible things like hurricane halen, but they are a luckily part of a downward trend in people losing their lives from terrible storms. And if if you really think if you really think that carbon there's another reason why i'm somewhat skeptical, like the carbon obsessives, is if you think that carbon is the most significant thing, the the sole focus of american civilization should be to reduce the carbon footprint of the world, then you would be investing in nuclear in a big way. And then when you say that the environmentally say, well, you've got all these poisons and rocks to deal with afterwards.

Well, the poison rocks problem is a less significant problem than the carbon problem, if you think that we're all going to go extinct in one hundred years. So let's deal with the most pressing problem they are like, no, no, no, no. And their solution is to buy solar panels that are disproportionate, made in china, which has the worst carbon footprint, and growing of any country in the entire world. They obviously don't believe their own bullshit, which is why i'm somewhat skeptical of what they say.

Also, when have a movement in your spokesperson is great, a thornberg and not some insanely intelligent scientists who've done years of research on this step. And there's also not a consensus among scientists. There's a lot of scientists that are heroics that are stepping outside the laws that are saying that is not an issue. And then they're also pointing out the fact that carbon is what trees consume and there's more Greeny in the world today than there was one hundred years ago, which is a very inconvenient thing for people say.

I realize that, yeah, I had no idea that's what carbon is, what trees I knew carbon is, what trees feed off. If I didn't know there was more Greener than there was one hundred years ago. That's that's .

interesting. You get is that saying the planning trees is not a solution to the carbon .

problem like this?

This is so not true.

It's so not true.

And it's also history ally, like one of the the crazy st moments in history, in my opinion, is the mongols and what the monks did in the twelve hundred. And they they lowered the carbon foot t print of earth because they killed so many people, they killed ten percent of .

the population of earth.

And because of that, because they they devastated these places and killed so many people, trees grew, more trees grew, and IT lowered the carbon foot. These places that have been overcome by agriculture, we're then reconstructed by nature, and IT lowered the carbon footprint of earth.

Well, there is a fundamental raises the point, there's a fundamental anti human element of the radical environmental movement .

that that we have to reduce population. This is, and they say with vaccine like slow down.

Did you say that out loud?

And then when? If you read Robert of Kennedy's junior, and I encourage everyone to read Robert of canadian juniors book the real Anthony fault I, because it's not just about this crisis that we went through with covered nineteen. It's about a host of different things that we're done.

And one of them was a vaccine that was supposed to be A D, P. T vaccine that they were giving two girls in africa that was just birth control IT was just sterilizing that wow. And that were were giving them hcg and they were giving them in the that this enhance schedule. I don't want to screw this up because my recall best one, but the reality is there was experiments done on unwitting, on knowing african women, where they gave them this thing that was supposed to be a vaccine against the disease. But I was really stallions ing them, and their experience dark.

Again, that's like a native american. oxygen.

This is dark mobile health shit like there's a lot of experimenting going on. That's what we pulled up. An ap article had alex Jones tell me this, I was what is like O, O.

So present A T article .

that shows that a lot of them to stop giving these kids in africa this polio vaccine, because I was actually giving them polio. It's crazy like because they experiment, because this is that they find out of stuff work. So you get people with no inerney connection.

They live in dirt floors. We're going to help you. And then they come and man on them, and it's so dark, and it's all done to this idea philanthropy.

It's crazy and they profit off of that. The whole thing is madness. And because they have so much influence and so much power and so much money is being generated.

they are allowed to get away with this. I just think about like that for the respective of these poor people. Assume the poly of active thing happen africa, or where else OK you're in africa? Some White dude shows up, says that he cares about you, gives you a shot that's gone, prevent you from skiing, some disease, and then you become like permanent disabled there.

You've die because of IT. I think about what effect that has on how those africans perceive our civilization. And are we going to have you are?

Are you going to like we have a conflict in thirty, forty years because people are so pissed off about us coming in in, in giving them health care? That isn't actually health care. I really worry about that stuff. I mean, this is one of my big things with the russia, ukraine conflict is people do not realize how much of african food supply comes from the ukraine, an astonishing amount.

So if you have this war that goes on forever, and there's not engh food going to africa, are you going to have a bunch of starving, desperate people who are like pissed off because they're starving, who hate the european civilization because they don't have they're not getting the food that they were expecting to get. We have never think about the knock on effects of this stuff, right? Yeah, it's a really dark and really evil that we're giving them polio. I also wonder the people who live in the village that got polio, what the hell are they onna be doing in thirty years? Is they're .

probably going to hate us yeah, I would be really upset if you get my kid polio yeah came over here and just I be so we so I hate .

these people right? You get my kid polio under the pretence helping them crazy.

But you know, then there's also farmers to good drugs that are really beneficial. And this is the thing like they have to have guard rails.

You have to have some .

more and regulations to keep these people from just never ending profits because they always gravity towards s that there was going towards making the most amount of money.

And again, this is where I go back some the arguments of the old left, like, what kind of god rails do you want these companies to have? Do you want the guard rails to be that if you donate to the transpired and be a yma organizations, you get to do whatever the hell you want? Or do you want the guard rails like we're onna, protect health and public safety and make sure that you're not like killing people under the osps of helping .

them yeah and that that's the of art real.

I want the is just.

yeah very logical. But logic is, you know, dangerous today. Look, good logic. Logic is it's a problem when you have ideology.

Some .

people.

well, okay, so interesting. There's this movie that's probably like extremely influences to my entire political world view. I didn't realize until last night because I got a doorst in late.

Usually my wife travels with me. He went with me last night. SHE stick.

You are the kids a day. So I I in the hotel room in Austin and it's very late. And I watched this movie boys in the hood ever think?

Boys, oh yeah. sure. okay.

I watched the movie a ton when I was like eight, nine years old. And I realized how much that movie has had an influence on me until I watched last night. Okay, so are right for furious styles.

A lot of his stuff about not letting financial institutions buy up all the stuff in your community, obviously talking about black people in L. A. And White people in in a rural, small town america, but was like, oh, like that.

That's maybe the first place I ve heard this idea. Or he talks about, like the importance of fatherhood, the importance of specially Young boys having a father in the home. I got that from boys in the hood and obviously I spoke to me when I was a kid because I grew up at the time and I don't have much of a relationship with with my dad.

And its its interesting man he makes this observation math being racist. He's criticizing the S A T for being culturally ly bias but then he says the only part that isn't culturally ly biased as the math and it's like, oh, this is like a black nationalist in the ID eighties because that's that's kind of the philosophy of this movie is what you might call like old school black leftism. This movie in one thousand nine hundred and eighty is saying something that I I wish a lot of White liberals would hear today, which is actually, math is not racist.

It's one of the things that's like, not definitively not racist, is math and numbers. You guys are losing your damming. Well, math is racist .

is one of those ones where you like, if you heard that the cocktail party villa, like someone behind you, was saying, matters race, black, put up. We've got to get out here, honey.

I'd say I want to go. I wonder what they are having. I want to hang out those guys. So okay, by the way, this is my, you know, an active by partisanship.

The one thing that republicans man that were really, I think we ve got really wrong in the last few years is the anti handby and stuff. I want to go hang out with one hundred. I mean, I mean, by the only republican, that dude, that dude.

he was like, no times without the writing talent. Then I went hard. You've gotta give IT to him. You know what?

I would Better one hundred dollars than hundred by voting for Donald mp. For president.

Well, he doesn't seem like he likes his dad.

IT seems like you. I I might bet twenty dollars on his dad was for for president. But last night, after the garbage comment, you know, that guy is trying to help dotal trump, we're going to win. I think we going to win. But after we win, i'm going to be convinced .

that job was trying hard crazy. When put on the mahan from those guys, they and he insisted on keeping the hat and he took up with them. I think he's very, very resentful that he got ousted. And what was essentially .

a and and i'd love .

to know what happened there, but I would love to, I have to do IT a back.

So the wild thing .

about the laptop was that they were able to suppress IT from social media. And really, well, when I discussed that with soccer, berg and he openly admitted IT that the FBI had contacted him and told them that he was russian disinformation. And like that was one of those things why he was, say, saying.

I learned when that epsom came out because I like IT reverberated across american politics. Like crazy they what we should. He just said the thing that we all suspected for a very long time.

And if IT wasn't for elon purchasing twitter and then finding out how much of an influence they were having on this, and that they were, in fact, silencing something that they need to be correct under a ly, under a ly and fifty one former intelligence agents signed off on this was like, how did you how did they pull out off? Like, just point that off is really wild and the fact that there is no outrage from the left, that the left is like it's fine because it's our side and trump as evil and his hitler, we're got to get rid of them so let's just lie about this .

laptop and no consequences. Nothing right, the people pushed. They still have security clearances, I believe, which is going to change when we win.

But um mean also this is this is where I always get pissed about the media conversation around what happened in twenty twenty and. Is what they'll do is they will sort to find the crazy st conspiracy theory about what happened in twenty and twenty. They'll the bunk IT and say all look this thing, this shows that nothing bad happened in twenty twenty.

There's a non party, an organization that actually looked add what would have happened to american votes if they had just known the truth about the fact that joe biden, fundamental catch, traded his political influence for money. Like what I was is an old fashion american corruption story. I will give you access to powerful people in exchange for money. That was the true scandal of the hundred biden laptop. Again, IT wasn't handby doing cocaine with a shipper.

That was a fun part. You can say that .

having election win. So that was the real scandal. IT was the corruption and the non part direct evidence, the corruption and the non partisan orange ation said that knowledge, which was suppressed by the entire american media and big taxi, that would have changed millions upon millions votes.

And we know that the number in four swing states was eighty eight thousand votes that were the difference between downal trump and joe by and winning the twenty twenty election. So set to the side all of the other arguments about fraud and all the other rule changes that happened in the mist of covered. We know that big tech colluded with our own sort of, I would say, polluted.

The one thing I would say about zuker berg is like, I don't know super well. I've never had a problem with them, but I do wonder if it's a convenient excuse. I don't doubt that the FBI said, hey, this is russian disinformation, but these companies still have to take emergency over this too, right? So I think that was both the corruption, the FBI and the intelligence services, but also the big technology companies themselves. Both of them aren't blame. And I think fundamental, if they had not done what they did, dal trump to one another term as press the united states, you're never going to be able to convince me that if millions upon millions of swing boaters knew the evidence of jovian's corruption and IT was staring them in the face, that we would not have been able to pull that one out.

Well, sucker berg has gotten really into mix. Martial arts has gotten really into judge to and really into training. And there's very few things that will turn you into a conservative more than martial arts training. Like every, there's no way to get ahead of the hard work. Well.

have you seen all these studies um that basically connect testator and levels and Young men with conservative politics? Oh yeah, so maybe that's what's going on.

Well, no, that's why the democrats .

wants us all to be you know poor health and overweight is because that means that you're going to be no, that means we going to be more liberal, right? If you make people less healthy, they apparently become more politically liberal. That's an interesting observation.

Well, I think there's like socially liberal, like living let live do with everyone is long is not hurting anybody, which is really what I am. And then the reality, these details get all confused.

And this is where .

IT gets sort of conflated, like the reality of hard work being a virtue. Yes, and this has always been a conservative idea, is that you really supposed to like, make your mark in this world and get up in the morning and work hard, and you should be proud of that. Yes, the only way to get good to his hard work.

yes. So everybody who really trains hard and gets good has a certain level of a just a true understanding of the real relationship that the actual is the mathematical equation of focus, time, energy and discipline versus positive results here. And there's only one way to excel. There's no other way to excel at martial arts of the training hard. So it's a Normal that is becoming like leading more libertarian and where in hoodies now?

No, my secret, my secret theory is that suck is now a trump supporter, but he can't say that publicly, of course. But hopefully this is really difficult .

to say that now that's why guys like bill, act men and chmagh and all at least people that stand out. Second, real courage.

IT really yeah. I like both of those guys because they .

really unica absolutely yeah. Cocktail parties are massed after that, marine. They think you are not see and that's .

that's putting mildly. But yeah, I think you know one of my closest friends in the tech role is David sacks. And David i've ve talked about because we were both like it's it's funny.

We were both sort of critical of trump in twenty sixteen, but we came into that criticism from a riter center perspective. And both of us, by twenty twenty, like this crazy ball, should have to end trump as our guy. And maybe not only see our guy, but maybe he was like the only one who could have turned the tightly into the since.

And ity and David, I mean, he has become so far out there. And I admire IT in a lot of ways. And sometimes I see what David says.

And on my dude, are you gonna like, welcome, said your neighbor. Od, well, I mean, have every interview day with I. Well, I mean, he's just, look, he's he's very antioch.

He's very, very into foreign, what I would call foreign policy realism. Like why are we starting these stupid wars all over the world? We should be our foregone policy, should be more propose.

And it's just crazy me because he's he's so inflaming tory about IT that i'm in by the way, I love IT right? know. I agree with with a lot of what David says.

Anyone I disagree that is a smart guy, but he's just saying, look, I don't shit if you're going to come after me, come after me, but i'm going to say what's on my mind and I think, you know a lot of people are going in that direction, which is fundamental. A good thing is people sick of being told what to think. And like the first woman, obviously it's a it's a legal document that talks about the role of government and censorship and sort of prohibits government censorship.

But it's also a sort of ethic and an attitude that is endemic, or I hope is to american society, which is we're going to think what we want, we're going to say what we want to. That's an important first limit value, even though he has nothing to do with the first minute as a legal document itself. And a lot of people are sick of being told what to think.

I was very upset when tim also saying that the first amendment doesn't apply to hate speech and misinformation, like especially those two terms, hate speech and misinformation because hat .

I will be holder, right?

It's so subjective and it's the the Marks are moving as to what's called hate speech. Now it's moving further and far to say that .

an even rules should not get gender transition drugs that is hate speech according to a significant subset of left .

yeah if you call klin genre, Bruce genre.

that takes a lot of people .

say that hates and you used to get ban for life from twitter for dead naming someone, which is just, which is totally, you can call a count, you you can you can call me Bruce. The whole thing is so crazy. It's just and .

but like, I think that this is and look, I trying not to be two partisan because I know a lot of people watch your show.

But this is to me the biggest, the most fundamental difference between camera and present trump in the campaign is, you know, whether it's biden calling people garbage or ten walls calling people fascist and common calling people noses or endorsement explicit censorship, we are not trying to sincere our fellow americans right. We will take calls on our policies and ideas, but we're not trying to say you should be silenced because you disagree with us. That is an athena to everything that I believe in. And that is what's happened in the modern democratic party. At least the leadership level is they've gotten really comfortable with the idea of silencing people who disagree with them, such as the point work like it's dying to that tim was thinks that hate speech should be since red is that the governor of a state could under that phrase, without recognizing how fundamental subjective IT is Hillary clinton saying that we want to sincere misinformation SHE has come out and explicitly said that we have to since or information .

and inside total control.

you're not supposed to the grave. exactly. That's the whole point. You don't want people to have total control and they can utt IT without the american media going completely bananas.

Just suggest there's something broken about the political culture of the left. I mean, there are people on CNN and cbs and all these other sort of mainstream networks. I've called them corporate networks, all these corporate networks that will say you when dal j.

Trump says that if you ride after the election, you're the enemy of the people or you're an enemy within like that is a major threat to democracy. But Hillary clinton saying that we should sensor this information there just a no, no big deal. And the fact that they can get so fired up about what I think is a pretty common sense observation, that if you ride, law enforcement should have a response to IT.

But they think that it's the end of they don't care at all, right? Care at all. When Hillary clinton, in to walls endorses explicit censorship, IT should scare the hell out of us.

IT just scared the hell out of you. Whenever any politician is encouraging censorship, yes, especially when it's about things like we said about speech and misinformation like this information according to her because we've already shown that there's there's a bunch of different factors that have control over what is presented as fact. Yes, and they're not always honest or accurate.

And these things get put out and IT harms people. And then there's some sort of a correction that comes along well, the only way to find that out, especially like during the cove at times, these things that they called misinformation, how many of them turned out to be true? Almost all of them. It's crazy. The wolf m lab IT was racist races to assume that the court, when john's start, did that IT on colbert.

Did you see that? I never seen though.

It's amazing because you see kobe's rumbling and he's trying to like john's, like do you think maybe the life that was the woon corona virus lab that like maybe came from there.

he was so obvious of the the whole argument for the part of copa that wasn't from the wuhan lab was basically, as I understood IT, that a bat had gotten a weird corona virus and had, like fAllen into a guy soup at .

a wet was involved. So much stupidity of vents .

like that was more believable than there's the wu hang corona virus lab. And I remember tom cotton was the first major american politician to talk about this times like A, A, A good friend, and he was immediately pillowed as this terrible racist. And it's just it's bizarre that we're not allowed to talk about things in the united states of america.

I will say, I think it's gotten Better. This is one of the my more optimistic uses you when we are all locked in our houses in the summer of twenty twenty. I think that did weird thing psychologically to everybody.

agree. And I think that a lot of people rebuild against IT, and we're probably in a Better position now on two and twenty four, like to moths would not have come out. I love to moths would not have come out for Donald trump.

Twenty two, right now. He's hosting fun raisers and giving hundreds of thousands dollars to to our campaign. So I I think the fact that you have so many old school liberals in old school left us say we're done with this bull shoot is actually a pretty good sign. Yeah, there's still social consequences to IT, but not nearly as high as they .

were four years ago. But I think when elon purchase twitter, IT changed the entire game because now you have this wild west, uncensored version of social media that's run by this super genius madman who has saw the money in the world. It's so crazy. I mean, it's really without him. We're in a lot of trouble because, let's say, twitter never gets purchased.

They ve run the the same way they've run IT in the past where they're being influenced by whatever companies and whatever agencies decide to remove post to remove people and ban Donald trump and ban a bunch of different conservatives and ban a bunch of people that were outcasts and they just decided they are controlling the discourse. Well then you have no outlets other than poor. And we discuss this yesterday. Those outlets, one hundred percent got infested by bots, where the way there is putting nasty stuff up. And like all this is a not see side, no, you're the not.

You put IT up. Yes.

poison IT instead of IT being just a place where conservatives can go and talk about things could not be censored like they were on twitter, then they get info trainer with all this hate shit. And then IT becomes a hateful place and they don't only want to go without the homeless. Well, now all the sudden twitter comes along. Elon comes along as this complete shift and how he's viewing this attack on free speech. Then you have shell burger and mattie be they go into the twitter files, they find, oh my god, I M so they .

weren't .

right. They did all this stuff and IT turned out that all the things they were saying were either lies or we're incorrect and there's no repercussions. And so you're seeing all this in real time and no one on the left has any problem with that, which to me is insanity.

And the people to do everything with their solution seems to be just go to the right. They don't even feel that you can reform the last. They just people are just like teli gabbert t becomes a republican and we are just .

abandoning this like, I can talk to you people and I I love she's awesome. Yeah, I think SHE basically decided the left cannot be reformed in this country and more. That's what happened with bobbie Kennedy.

That's what's happened with a lot of old, old school liberals as they say, yeah, you know, we don't care what you do in your bedroom, but but we believe in the fundamental right of people to speak their mind. And the democrats just don't believe in that anymore. And I thought a lot about like what what is going on there and what's driving IT psychologically.

And I think that I think what's going on is the entire modern democratic party grew up in an era where there was consensus, right? Walter cranky could say something about the vietnam war and turned out is probably right about that actually. And IT collapsed public support for the vietnam e war, where they grew up in in america, or social, social trust was just so much higher.

And I think that a lot of them are trying to reimpose that social trust on from the top, not recognizing that that high level of social trust came organically from the way that the american society worked. And if you have people trying to reimpose IT from the top actually degrades the very thing that you're trying to create because i've seen I mean, family members of mine. Who got really radical zed because they were like, way to second.

Should we be masking three year old in our schools, like we do something to their language development, and then they would get kicked off of facebook because a person with one hundred facebook friends who has no public profile dare to like question the prevAiling narrative. And again, they ended up being right about IT. I actually think that what the left is doing is degrading social trust by trying to create IT from on high.

And I kind of get the psychological impulse because you like a lot of great things that we do come from high levels of social trust. But you've got to a reestablished organically. You can start .

to force IT on people. And there's been some course correcting, like did you read a basotho article was IT yesterday .

that came out the wash what you think I mean I I go back and force like again I I don't know jeff super well. I've always liked to minor actions with him. But the problem with a washington post, not at their editorial page, has been insufficiently conservative.

It's that their entire journalism department is fundamental, engaged in democratic political activism. I mean, the two, we talk about this a lot, and you, my political guides, are a lot of them outside, and certainly that a lot of them watch. But we talk a lot about which of the newspapers that have really gone crazy, and the new york times is kind of exception.

That is a very left wing. But IT hasn't totally gone insane. The washington post might as well be a propaganda outlet of the democratic party.

If you look from the honey and laptop to any number of stories where they just to the left wing line, almost instinctively, the problem was with the journalism at the washington post. It's not with the editors. I don't care Frankly, whether the editorial page endorses donal trump or coal herr's.

I care about whether the the journalists are lying about Donald mp or a lying about como heroes. And Frankly, they're lion a lot in the negative direction about my running mate. And there are lion a lot in the positive direction about commonly heroes.

So what I would like to see from jeff bazas is a commitment to the washington post, not just being a democrats super pack. I don't give a ship if you hire a few more conservative columns, that doesn't matter. What matters is do they hold their journalism to anything like a high standard. And if they don't do that than to me, it's just when addressing.

But IT seems like that's a at least a step in the right direct feel like one thing. great. You have an argument against Donald trump on the front page next to an argument for Donald trump and let two different intelligent people state their cases, one from a conservative perspective, one from a liberal perspective, and let's see what resonated with you.

It's a step in the right direction. I just think that unless you change the underlying journalism to make IT more fair, it's going to be only a step in the right direction rather than fixing the problem.

What else can he do? I mean, he's probably pretty busy on his yacht hanging out. His girlfriend was tight. Her on, as you have the time you tell me, can go into the office and like read everybody's work. okay.

So what an example there is a there is a journalist by the name of matt boyle who writes a bright party. You know that boyle? okay. So matt is even though he writes for bright bar. And I know that most people assume that bright part just is like right wing rag.

Matt is he has one of the best contacts of journalists in in washington, like he knows what's going to happen in the country before most left wing journalists, because he talks to the liberals. He talks to the conservatives. He has allies on capital hill.

I'd love to see the washington post higher guy like map boil and say, matt, go and do what you're going to do. And obviously, it's not going to be able to have a political biased to IT. But go and investigate.

You want to go investigate? Common here is campaign, go and do IT. But that is what I would look like is empowering conservative and independent journalism in the same way that jeff basis is empowered left wing journalism. If I see that happening, it'll be a little bit more optimistic about about .

his stewards. P, well, could you imagine if this same sort of scrutiny on commons speeches and appearances in these media outlets as there is on triumph?

Oh my god.

like one of the things that we talked about was how they edited that one, a answer that SHE was asked, like what you know about form obvious yeah ah they edited completely and I wasn't aware that they put an answer for completely different questions there.

Well, okay. So I think that what happened there, having done some trying to understand a little bit Better, is they basically just edited her answer down a lot so that SHE didn't sound like a total insane person. Because what air, I think, on the smaller one, more on the channels online that had a smaller picker was rain, was rain. But what actually aired on the news programs was, I mean, it's didn't and sound very good, but IT sounded and held a lot Better.

Let me give you a very good example. Not the answer. So it's like they change the answer.

Let me see. Let me see what? Yeah, no, you're right. They change the answer. But I just want to find the statistic from my team as I ask them this last night.

So they did change the answer and they change in a way to protect her ah and that importantly they refused to to to released the transcript right? My attitude would be just released a transcribe let people see what you actually said, right? So you at least to have some integrity as a journalistic outlet.

But okay, so here here's you. Of course i'm sure pay attention to the croff le over a comedian, the truck Riley mg, I think you know this guy right is good. Oh ah so so he tells he tells a joke about um you know porter reo the number of mentions ons on CNN about this joke in the last forty hours.

This was out of last night one hundred forty three on M S N, B, C, one hundred one on A B C, fifty three, on abc, thirty two, and on C, B, S. Thirty one. In two days they talked about that joke.

effectively. Non stuff. Know what that means to have thirty one mentions on nbc news about this particular thing.

That is a crazy. That is saturation. Last night, joe biden called the half of amErica is going to vote for Donald trump garbage.

Do you think that the word garbage is going to pear on scene in one hundred and forty one times over the next two days? I would bet? Know now what's the difference? Well, one differences that IT was a committee and telling a joke, and it's the president of the united states telling what he actually thinks.

Another differences, again, it's a comedian with, at best, a tiny was connection to the trump campaign. And on the other hand, you have the actual sitting president at a vice presidential campaign event, telling the vice president, sorry, telling the entire country at an event sanctioned by the commute Harris campaign, that half of americans are garbage. And I guarantee the media is not going to cover this in the same way here.

Let let me, I don't know jme can bring this up, but I tweet about this last night that political, when they have initially tried to write the story about what had been said by joe biden, they said that biden had called racism against porter rich's garbage. Well, who disagrees with that? I think that racism against porter weekends garbage, but that's not what he said.

He said that trump supporters are garbage, said it's on the video. So political tried to like red canvas IT turned out there was a video. So we can actually see for ourselves what was actually said. But the amount of dioneo y the american media .

really is off the charts. IT is but also with joe by and I think at this point time, he's literally that crazy guy on the porch yelling at the neighbors. I mean, he's no one thinks he's there, which is also one of the fascinating things when they asked her, when did you know that he was mentally impaired and why did you talk about IT earlier? And there's this, joe biden has always done the amazing work the joe biden does. And just like this.

where do you want to get to .

like the lights the user really comes.

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to cover up? Do you think .

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in your piece? I wouldn't be surprised.

Dying SHE talks the we can describe as he talks in circles and it's like .

him down says it's like SHE does gypsy curses. SHE speaks in gypsy curse .

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but we need to build an opportunity economy .

because of americans don't have opportunity. They're not going the opportunity to be americans and to .

generate wealth and generational wealth. Wait a minute, do you know a few people generate generational wealth? You have so much money to give to other generations.

there's actually okay, I know I give a lot of speeches. So there's actually a skill to this. I think that SHE is the Michael Jordan of using as mini words as possible to say as little as possible. There is actually a certain gift that he had is because you listen to her talk and you're hundred two hundred words into IT your five hundred words into IT and you're like, what the hell did he just decision say anything right? And that actually mean, okay.

So yeah, there's a certain political skill and saying a lot without actually saying anything, but IT actually worries me about her being president like, okay, there are all these substantive policy disagreements and we could could talk about, okay, I don't like our border policies. I don't like this. I like that.

But what did he do when she's in a meeting with a world leader and he has to like, know the details of public policy to negotiate with lad mir putin or using pink, like one of the major things that you do as a president is you participate economic negotiations, like what tariff s reen apply on your goods unless you lower the terrace on ours or vice first, or right, you have to be able to know a little bit about your jo B2Be the pre ss, united states. And I don't know that he has an ounce of curiosity about public policy in this country. That's what scares the hello .

my but this strange that everyone's accepting that this person who is the least popular vice president ever is now the solution to the problem and that the media machine, in just a few days, that this one eighty and just sold her as the solution and as long as they keep her from having these conversations where she's allowed to talk, that's. They're able to pull this off. And the fact that is happening with no primary should be really concerning to people because it's never happened before a primary.

What's a part of the process where you identify people's flaws? You have out what they're good at, what they're bad at. Like the primary is actually a ruling process, how you handle pressure, how you handle pressure, right? And we don't really know how she's handled pressure because she's only done IT for a little wild.

If you just look at Donald trumps public schedule, jd anis public schedule versus common here is stude IT is striking how little SHE does. There was an interview that he did thinks the only really tough interview she's done with bad bear of fox news. I believe that SHE had a clear calendar for two days before he did this interview and just prepping her, just prepping her.

But how can you actually that's not pressure. If you got to take two days off for one single interview, that's not pressure. And also just little things that you look.

There's the story out there. To be clear, I have no idea if it's true, but there is a woman who has gone on the record instead that duggin off. Commonly haris husband snapped, or in the face in france.

Okay, that's been reported on the medium. sure. You guys confined if you want to. okay. Again, maybe it's not true, maybe this is true, but these things take time to actually figure out and investigating. Here is the thing, you know this, I know this, most people know this.

If you are a domestic abuse that usually doesn't stop with one person, like most domestic abuse are serial domestic abuse ers is IT in the public interest to do some investigation about whether the White house, the president could be sharing the White house with the person who is engaged in domestic abuse, that is, in the public interest to know, not only is the american media not that interested in IT, but most importantly, you don't have the time to really investigate some of these accusations. Meanwhile, every time somebody says anything about Donald trump without an ounce of evidence, the american media picks IT up and runs with mixed entire new cycle. Totally and curious about what's going on with common heroes.

But I think over time, what's interesting, as most people are becoming aware of this extreme bias, the difference in the scrutton that supplied .

to so that's right. But go back into this question, you asked me about jeff basis. This is why you need good reporters who have the investigatory skills, who are empowered by their employers to go out into the investigations. Like your platform, you're having more honest, open conversation than anything that's happening in the corporate media. It's like one of the reasons why I listen your show, one of the reasons why i'm happy to be here, but you don't have like a person working for you who's going to go to like france and talk to this woman and investigate whether this is true. This is why i've told elon this.

But like the most useful piece of philanthropy, if you're a right of center american, would be to set up a nonprofit organization where you pay a really good reporter for five years, you give them complete job security, and you just tell them go off and investigate what's going on in the world and and bring IT back and and report on the truth. Because if you don't have that, then bad is where the media still has a fundament advantage of us is they've got an army of people investigating me and Donald trump. There's no one really investigating couple hours.

Well, is also the amount of left wing media versus right wing media is pretty disturbing. You like what? What is the percentage of networks that lean left CNN? Clearly, amazon, bc, abc, abc, cbs.

And then you have fox, a fox.

And then you have a couple of online things. Yes, those nation were you. And if you just reach as much less.

reach as much, much less. And if you just look at, I mean, you are only you and a few others are the only people who can compare with the actual platform size of an nbc, a cbs. And a few of people watch them now than they did twenty years ago. But if you look man, like you're still getting five to eight million viewers every single night for each of the major networks on the nightlife news, that's incredible reach. There's still a lot of power there.

And you to your to your point about like the comparison, you know, fox news number one, if you look at fox news as viewership compared to MBC is MBC doors said but more importantly in some ways is fox news, which I do think is very important but yeah, they have a right of center bias. Certainly, I will admit that. But if you look at how much fox news is covering the left fairly versus the right, it's much more baLance than like an abc right.

Like c would never have an interview with Donald trump where the journalist is asking tough questions but is like sitting down in broadcasting Donald trump for an hour. Fox news would do that for coma heroes, and they did do that for commute herr's. And there's a real difference there.

Well it's also like the way bread briar interviewed bear houses bear ah the way he interviewed coma Harris is very similar to the way exactly he's exactly and nobody accused him of doing things sneaky then no or no is even angry with him. Well, because the expectation is that you're .

going to interact and you're gona fact check and you're going to try to actually do the job of an intern of your but the expectation is that if you touch kala with anything other kid gloves, you're not a lot to do that.

But I think again, I think most people are upset. It's one of the reasons why the movement is so the movement towards trump that they're so enthusiastic, they're so energy because they do realize that there's this imbaLance and they don't like IT. And they they think that the only way this is gonna fixed is someone who's a complete outsider.

And you can be more outsider than a guy who they're literally turning the judicial system against him. They're literally trying to prosecute him like a banana republic. You're doing IT over and over over again.

They're doing IT. They're speaking about IT openly. We're going to put in a jar. We going to walk up that way. We're going to be .

keep them from being in the office. I I use this and log a couple times publicly. But so what's interesting to me about toddles and talk with talk a crosson about this toddlers lie in a way that's very different from how everybody else lies, right?

So like if you're telling a lie Normally, you know, hey, hey, did you do that thing? You would say, no, no, no, somebody else stated or they to qualify a little bit giving example, my four year old, i'm a big Baker, surprised by that, but i'm a big Baker. And my four year old, I are making IT or OK a few weeks ago.

And I my four year old is helping me. He likes, he likes to help me out lot when I back and I go to the bathroom and the areas that we're supposed to put in the oreo cake, like, crumble them up and put them in the cake, like half of them are gone, going to get back. And i'm like, buddy, what happened in the areas? And he looks at me and without a hint of ironing your shame, he says, I didn't need the oros you did, right? So that's the way that combo heroes lies, is I didn't need the warriors. You did. Not only does he actively brag and has her administration actively bragging about trying to arrest for political opponents, SHE will go out and say that if Donald trump is the president, he's going to arrest his political ponente even though he ready was president .

and he didn't do that. Did you see he was on change sharp and said that he's gna take away your second memory rights.

It's crazy. The person who wants to, who literally wants to confiscate firearms cover heroes, is saying that donal trump wants to take away your second rites. Dude, the the thing that, okay, do, you know, see, band is, yes, okay.

fascinating guy.

Did he just get out? He got at a prison yesterday. They have the audacity to say Donald trumps wants to jail his political opponents. Steve banning just got out of prison after a four year prison sentence yesterday.

And by the way, do you know what he was put in jail into the actual charge? No contempt to of congress area holder, who was obama's attorney general, was found in contempt of congress, or at least was there was congress found him in contempt. IT was never litigated.

He was never tried to put in jail. There was no court case around IT. The contempt of congress that Steve men engaging is that the j six committee, one of these banana republic committees from the congressional democrats, they issued him a sapa.

He, under the advice of his lawyers, felt that he couldn't actually respond to the sepa because executive privilege applied. They held him in contempt of congress, and they threw him in prison for IT, a charge that has been levied against multiple democrats. Republicans never tried to throw anybody in prison against IT over IT.

Steve managers got out of prison. Common Harris, literally, using the power of government, has already used the power of government to jail her political opponents. And she's saying that Donald trump is going to do the thing that he didn't do and SHE did when they were in respective positions of power.

Do you think it's because they're worried that if he gets into power and he gets back in the office, that he's going to start investigating a lot of the stuff and the the fifty one former intelligence actly .

what they are afraid of, afraid of consequences, they're afraid of. And look, do I think the fifty one intelligence agents who signed that letter should go to prison? no.

But should they be stripped to their security clearance? Absolutely, I do. right. They lied. They use their position of authority and lied the american people about something that was in the national interest. If there are no consequences for that.

then what do we do in? And they're probably very concerned with a trial. It's gonna veal. What the elements of that particular story really work.

There's there's a lot of corruption there. I'm sure higher ups. There are people who said one thing in public but said something else in private.

There probably is at some level of that whole thing, people who may be perjured themselves or at least unethically lied. Look, there's a lot going on there, but you dont chop is not going out there. And has never said I wanted arrest you because you're democrat.

He's never said I want to arrest you because you disagree with me, is never said I want to since or you even because you engage in this information. What he has said is that we should investigate some of the obvious sources of corruption in the united states government. That's not going after your political opponents. That's what cover here is the action.

But one of things that he talked about pretty openly, he could have gone up to her clinton, and he didn't because he would look bad for the country. And it's true. I mean, really could have SHE did commit crimes.

The FBI, a democrat who is supporting calera, said that he committed, I think, not just crimes, but maybe felonies. SHE committed felonies. And what Donald trump did is said, you know what? It's a bad for the country.

A lot of my voters would love me to prosecute iller clinton, but it's bad for the county, so i'm not going to do IT. That is the exact opposite, of course, of what kero son, joe biden have done. And again, the media is a total upside down universe where they accuse us of doing the very thing that they've done themselves.

Yeah, it's really wild to watch. It's the gas lighting is off the charts. So there's a bunch of things that people are a deeply concerned with this country.

And IT seems like for men is the economy that seems like the primary thing that people concern with. And IT seems like for a lot of women, is abortion. Abortion and rovin wait is a big concern. Now I if i'm correct your position, and this is what they wanted when they overturn rov y way they wanted to leave IT in control of the states. This is your position.

yes. So what present trump is said, and what I said is abortion is now a matter for state legislatures, state voters to determine. And there's I mean one that's always what the argument was, right?

If the versus wait goes away than the state legislatures, the state populations are going to make each individual abortion decisions the same way that, like california has different laws on a whole st host of subjects that alabama does. The idea is that, yeah, california will to make its own abortion policy, obama would make its own abortion policy. And so there's a basic sort of principle of federalism at work there.

But I also think that knowing dollar trip well, I think he's motivated also by desire for us to just stop having a culture war over this particular issue and to let the voters in these states make these decisions while the national government focuses on things like lowering the cost of groceries and lowering the cost of housing and securing the southern order. And I think there's actually some great wisdom in that because you think about this, abortion is not really been a political issue for fifty years now. We say that IT is and always we disagreed about and people thought about IT.

IT was always something the supreme court said. This is the way IT is. There is no political decision making.

Every european nation has made abortion policy democratically. And that's what Donald trothing do, what every european nation has done. Let the voters decide what their abortion policies is going to be.

And we're going to focus the national government on on different things. And I say, this is somebody who you like. I I genuinely, you know what people to choose life and a big believer in families.

And I think having children has been like a revolving ory experience for me. And I want our country to be more pro family, more pro child. I think they're all these things that we can do at the federal level to make our country more pro family and more pro child, you know, make child care easier. stop.

I've actually sponsored legislation to stop the surprise medical bills that happen when people I i've seen this with my own wife, you go to the hospital, you come home, you've got a beautiful baby, but you've also got a twenty thousand dollar unexpected bill because you choose the wrong, you the wrong out of network health care provider when you're at the moment of delivering a baby. Like there are all these things we can do to make IT easier for Young women, Young families to choose life. But Donald trump, I think once abortion policy, and he said this exclusive to be decided at the state level.

i'm not, it's not possible for me to get pregnant. So when I think about these things, actually some people depends who you ask. But I think when you do get with the toys.

first century man IT, it's possible for me to get pregnant.

Now to for most people, I think one of the issues is, for a lot of people, one of the issues is that men are making decisions for what women can can do. I have and one of the more concerning aspects of this, like say, if you live in a state like texas where there's a limit to when you can get abortion, I think it's like six weeks, which a lot of people think at that point time, you can even tell whether or not you pregnant.

And this puts a lot of women in like very vulnerable positions. And then there's a thought that they could go to another state where IT is legal and have an abortion, but they could be possibly prosecuted for that in their state. That that's concerning to me that we can make if there's a place in the country where it's legal to have medical procedure and you live in a state where it's not legal, that your state can decide what you cannot can't do with your body, which is essentially based on a religious idea.

And a lot of the i'm not criticizing at one where another, but i'm saying that a lot of what this choose life thing is about that life is precious and life is sacred, and life begins the moment of conception. And some people agree with this, but are the people disagree with this. And this seems to be A A lot of IT is based in religion.

My concern is using that to dictate whether not a person can legally travel to another state. I don't think the government should be monitoring where you travel or what you do when you travel as long as that thing is legal. And i'm concerned with this idea that you can be prosecuted for in your state for doing something that's legal somewhere.

I don't like the idea. To be clear. I've not heard of this maybe as a as like a possibility, but not as something that actually exists in in the law. But i've not heard of somebody being arrested. And I don't like the idea of arresting people for.

I heard of them just the discuss .

is a threat that I don't like the idea, to be clear, of people getting arrested for freely moving around the country. I think so you're pointing about IT being a religious idea. I mean, I would say I know a number of non religious people who are very pro alive.

And I think the honest answers is that what we're doing is we're trying to figure out what is the right baLanced between autonomy and life. Say, this is somebody who, when ohio made this decision, I campaign very aggressively for the more pro life position in the stay ohio and my side lost. In fact, we ve got to asked last sixty, forty and I took some, I took some learning from that.

I think one of the things that I took as as as a learning as a guy who cares about this issue is republicans, we've got to earn the people's trust because they don't trust the idea that when we say that we're pro family, we don't just mean pro birth. A lot of people say you're pro birth, but you're not actually pro family. And I think there's a lot that we can do as republicans to try to earn back the trust of the american people.

But if i'm trying to represent this is fairly, as I can, the pro choice in the pro life position. Here's what I think is really going on, is you have something now some people would say, maybe religious ly motivated, maybe not. That is a human life.

I would say that is a human life. But IT, at least has the potential to be human life. And that all the other hand, you have, again, I feel freely recognized this.

You have a woman who wants to make a choice about what he wants to do with with her own body. Those are two very profound values, both of which I think of value variable, right? I mean, I think autonomy is really important.

I also think life is really important. And what we're trying to talk about fundamental, I think, again, i'm trying to be fair, both sides here is to baLance the interest in life against the interesting author. Y, and I think that the way to do that, this, my view, is to let the american people debate and talk about and argue about this issue and come to this decision on a state by state basis.

And again, california, florida, ohio, alabama have different solutions to this particular problem. But that's what we're trying to do, right? People like me are trying to say, look, I think life really matters.

And other people are trying to say, I think autonomy really matters. And the truth is that ninety five percent of americans would probably say there's some way to strike the baLance in the middle, you know, where most of europe has ended up here. And it's actually striking because you think of europe again is a more socially liberal place in america.

Almost every place in europe has ended up effectively where late term abortion outside of cases of medical necessity is banned out, right? And then you know, early stage abortion is allowed. That's how most societies that democratically settle on this. That's how they they strike the baLance. I think my attitude is i'm going to previous president, i'm not trying to tell you how to strike the right baLance, but we want to preserve the right of .

states to make these decisions. I think what people are afraid of is men telling women what they can and can't do with their bodies.

that the value I get IT. Man, I look, I get IT. And I think that there is a very real and valid argument here that autonomy should take precedent here. But I also think we're being honest. There is an argument that life matters to and that's that's the baLance that people.

it's very complex people do to look at that way I always discuss. It's one of these very human issues where it's very strange where most people think I at the moment of conception, if you could just remove those cells and keep them from multiplying, that's less bad than if you wait six months, like almost everybody would agree to that. So what are we doing them? Like what is like bitter.

It's a very good thing. And there is a moral intuition there that obviously like something that looks and feels like a baby is more valuable than something that's just like a heart. But know, I think it's just hard, right? Because it's not clear to me philosophically where you draw the line here.

Um it's a very like hard question to figure out. And I think that's why people debate IT and disagree with about IT so viciously. But it's it's interesting, man, the thing that I find again as a person who leads more in the pro life side of this debate.

Is okay. So you will sometimes hear people on the left say relate to abortion doesn't happen. Well, there's an organization called the good mocker institute.

It's approach office organization. It's A P abortion rights organization. And they found that there are approximately I think it's twelve thousand abortions that happen in the second half of pragmatic cy.

So this is past twenty weeks, maybe even past twenty two weeks, about twelve abortions past twenty two weeks. okay? They also found that of those eight thousand of them are purely elective.

There's no medical necessity. There's no like you, the baby has some genetic at Normality. It's just pure elective late term abortion. I don't know how we can get consensus that, that is not good right to come on. And in fact.

especially not medical.

Actually, every european nation has gotten to that point where you say, okay, like eight thousand late term of version, I come on. But again, it's not my decision as the vice president or that's not present. Trumps view is vary against the national abortion ban because he wants this debate to happen organically and democratically. And I think that's that's kind of our our attitude to this. Now you you're right again, there is a baLance to strike here, but usually an american society where IT recognized that the way to strike that baLance is to debate IT as citizens and not to have like lawyers and judges make these determinations for us believe .

that are not joe by and had one of the most logical takes on a long time ago.

a long time ago.

back when could talk back and he he said abortion should be safe, legal. And well.

that was my grandmother's view, right? That was my grandmother view. That was the bill clinton view. Yeah and I do think that there's something that is really weird about this whole debate where you think god, to be clear, this is not true of the gross of our protos citizens.

But you do sometimes see people like they will go on tiktok and theyll celebrate having an abortion. I've known many, many women, usually when I was Younger um who chose to have abortions because they felt they didn't have any other options. And you know I don't judge them. I think that a lot of them just felt like they were completely trapped and they made the decision that was ultimately right for them.

Again, my argument is we need to try to gain those women's trust back because clearly, the republican party on this issue has lost a lot of trust, but none of them were like baking birthday cakes and posting about IT afterwards, right? They recognize that this is a medical procedure, and this is, know something that they felt they had to do. But celebrating something like that is just bizarre. Me and I much more comfortable with the people who say, safe, legal, rare, than I am with the people who say, let's shadow abortion from the rooftops.

just a rebellion thing, thing like that. The concept in the sight, guys, is that abortion had always been rowdie weight. Who has been the law, the land? And then all the sudden that was taken away, and you have these religious men who are trying to dictate what women can I can do with their bodies?

Yeah, yeah. no. Look, I mean, again, I I understand that understand the push back against that, but I think you can go like with so many other issues, you can go way too far about IT. And IT becomes trying to celebrate something that at the very best, if you grant, I think every argument of the proof choice de IT is a neutral thing, not something .

to be celebrating. I think there's very few people that are celebrating.

I just extreme, but it's it's like everything and I try. This is something that is dangerous about social media. Is the danger of social media with me is not to me that I live in my own echo chAmber and just have used, reinforced.

The danger is that i'm only exposed to the crazy people on the other side to make me make IT easier for me to adopt my own world view, because i'm single. It's just people celebrating what in the reality like? Like he said, most american women, even those who are projects, are not celebrating this thing.

I think that's one of the insidious things about the social media algorithm as IT highlights, things that people engage with, a which is more outrageous, more things that they find reprehensible. They see more of that. I see so many guys with make up telling me they are going to take your kids.

We're in doctorate. Your kids like why am I saying that was because they're highlighting IT. And when you have an an APP that's owned by china, that is the number one coincident .

facilitating the worst of our fellow citizens because that allows us to seal m more. But I mean, the way that idea with that is, I just try as hard as I can to remember that most americans, this what really bothered me that would buy in sec, most americans who go for common heroes are fundamental good people, like, I believe that. And you got to to try to find the people who are reasonable and talk to them. And that's why I talk about, you know, the importance of regaining trust. Just i've had enough conversations with people who don't like the republican parties, even their perception of the republican parties use here, that if you talk to reasonable people, you gain a different perspective.

Then if you talk to the unreasonable people, so I that a lot of people are only informed by headlines and by real quick things that they see on television. And so they formed these narratives in their head. And this is what they are Operating off of actually, right? And this is why they have this weird perception of both republicans and of trump.

And then they start throwing these terms around, like fascism and Whites, the premises. And well, of course you don't like ashes. Of course only White supremacy. You can be republican. And the next thing you know, you're on the other side and you know, how did you get me you rail wrote at me for you censoring my facebook. What's going on here and know .

there's not .

like a reasonable and that's one thing that I think the republican party has done poorly is like be a little bit more baLanced in some of these controversial social issues. You know, like the one thing that people were worried about right after a roade wade was gay marriage yeah and gay laws and people are thinking, well, it's religion that overturned robi wade and religion is probably going to a overturn these with these gay marriage laws and people are very terrified about that and which .

obviously that sounds that that we're trying to do. But it's interesting to me that how much people focus on the religious element of IT. Because if you go back to the rovers s way debate a ruth beter ginsburg, who was a feminist icon and was very pro choice SHE thought rovers weight was terrible law.

So because, I mean.

basically because of the argument that often sort of republicans we use about making IT a state issue, he said, look, you can be pro choice worth matter against berg was, but the avenue to make abortion policy should be legislators, not judges.

So IT was a procedural argument about how the constitution functioned where it's funny, like ruth bader ginsburg actually agreed with Donald trump, that even like that there should be a states issue, that the state should make these decisions on their citizens. And it's telling that that perspective is not illustrated or highlighted. But look, I understand like people who aren't know obviously person faith, they don't want people to faith to force their values, right? People who don't agree with them.

But i'm sort of comfortable with every every one of us kind of having our our zone in within that zone. I don't want people to come and tell me what to do. Like in my home.

I'd like to be able to raise my kids with my religious values, and i'd like be able to teach my kids what I think. And you should be able to teach your kids what you think. And then we recognize that the more public is zone, the less that I can get to control what you do.

And that's part of living in a pluralist society. And i'm very coming with that. I think, unfortunately, the modern left seems to be less than less comfortable, even with people of faith having their own private zone, right? This is the trans thing where I go when to take your kids away if you don't consent to gender realignment.

Or we're going to tell you that you can send your kids to a religious school. You hear people say these things again. I think it's the crazy. It's not the majority of our fellow citizens. But part of living in a plural society is accepting that every man's castle, every woman's castle, is his or her own. You've got to have respect for people within those castles and then we should hopeful ly just have some common sense things that everybody can agree on when we're talking about public spaces.

I think for a lot of people, worse case scenario when they start thinking about religious influence on the way they're allowed to behave and the way the way their state is governed. Worst case scenario is a state adoption law. This is worst case in area.

yeah. And I think all these people that would cry against the concept of islam hob a really need to understand what that means and what you're talking about and to say that that's an outrageous and ridiculous idea that's never going to take place. It's kind of already worked its way into some society and IT has and there are is is IT minnesota that has called to prayer like is IT mini apples I don't .

know where I there. There is a place in minnesota, I believe, where they have prayer calls as a matter of local government. I think I think that's happening.

That starts getting real weird ah well, like that starts getting real weird. And when you have people that are openly saying our goal is, and they've ve talked about this in toronto, you like activists have said our goal is to outbreak everyone who is not muslim and scars faded out and input cHarry alone in place yeah, that's very scary. Women up to wear burker.

This is hard work. Yeah well, and I mean, that's what to me is so crazy about some of the hyper left wing reaction to the idea that like somehow I want to force every man, woman and child to go to my church is ridiculous. I just don't want to do that.

I've never had any interest in doing that. But where you see actual, real religious tyranny is increasingly in western societies where you've had a large influx of immigrants who don't necessarily assist late into western values, but try to create, I think, a religious journey at the local level. And if you think that won't happen in a national level.

you're crazy. Did you ever read doug small book the strange death .

of I haven't read the whole thing, but i've ever had.

It's right. He got attacked so hard for that because he was really like an early sounder, the power. This should no .

did one of those controversial things i've ever said, as what is the first is law mist right? Is is important, separate. There are muslims who are not islam mist, right, is law, is are like theocrats, right? right? What is the first islam mist country that is going to have a nuclear weapon? And I sort of joke, I said, maybe it's gona be the united kingdom because they're so bad at a simulating sort of newer migrants into their society.

You have definitely communities in the U. K. Where local leaders are running explicitly on sharia law and winning elections in cities that are in the united kingdom.

right? This is england. This is like where amErica came from. right?

Is a much english pilgrims who came to the united states. That, to me, is really crazy and really scary. And of course, everybody said, well, pakistan, art has nuclear weapons.

And my responses, while pakistan is not necessarily in islamist country, is an islamic country. They certainly have an islamic government, and that's the majority religion of the people. But pakistan isn't going and saying we need to, like, conquer the infidels.

At least their government is in. We need to comer, conquer the infidels and force them to a bear laws. You see that more in among some of the activists in the united kingdom, maybe then you do in in certain arab countries. And that's crazy.

IT is crazy. But IT IT goes along with this thing that we've been talking about, I think, is essential. People have sort of a built in mode, a program in their mind that accepts religious doctrine. And these religious doctors could be woke. IT could be a hard core rightwing, conservative Christian fundamentalism, or IT could be islamic doctrine.

But this is why a simulation is so important, right? That, look, i'm married to the daughter of immigrants. I do think that immigration can enrich this country. I do think that immigrants, many of them are bringing a lot of to the table.

But we have to be honest with ourselves that permitting five hundred thousand immigrants in a society like ours is much different, then permitting five million or fifty million immigrants, and importantly, where are the immigrants coming from? What are their values? What are their economic skills? There's something the criminal record was the criminal record.

There's something very in sort of the modern. Again, this is a new because this is not bill clinton liberalism. This is something that we're seeing today where they don't even want to talk about the quality and the backgrounds and the skills of people come in our country.

Somehow it's fundamental racist to say, well, we don't want certain people of certain backgrounds to be in the united states of america. No, it's just common sense. I mean, let me try to give you a very specific example. Okay, so you ask yourself, should america, except one hundred thousand immigrants from mexico, OK just in the abstract? Well, mexico is a gigantic country with millions upon millions of people.

Who are we talking about? Are we talking about people who speak english as a second language and don't have criminal backgrounds? Or are we talking about people who don't even read and right and spanish and do have criminal backgrounds because those same groups of people, even though they come from the country we call mexico right, are going to assist late and contribute to american society much differently.

There's something in the modern liberal mind that doesn't even allow you to ask the question, who does amErica benefit from bringing into this country? anything? Answer is, we don't benefit. Why would we bring them in to the country?

But it's also this, the concept of being anti open border. Somehow another became attached. Instead, this of safety. IT became attached to zenn phobia. IT became attached to racism. And when you know, you confront, people say, do you know that when as well as literally opening their prisons and instructing people to just cross into amErica like no, when you tell the one the wild ones, I think that was you were having a conversation with a woman when you're discussing the gangs and a colorado .

that taken me yeah and he was like.

it's only a couple buildings.

I said that your community is only couple of apartment complex is right with hundreds of people that have been taken over by venezuela and gangs. I think, joe, the right number is apartment complex is taken over. Venus whelan.

gangs is zero. It's in santa ono too. It's happening.

It's it's comping everywhere.

It's so crazy that people don't want to admit to this because if they do, it's empowering the right. They think it's gona help Donald trump get elected. So they're turning a blind eye to dangerous criminals crossing the border with, but no records, no tracking you can do anything about.

You see this in some communities where because their small towns and because rapid migrant influx can happen very quickly, where the town population has been doubled. Okay, so you know, you have to assume people criminals. What does that do to the local public school when all of a sudden a thousand newcomers show up that don't even speak english? right?

What does he do to the hospital system when you now have thousands of people in a small health care system that are showing up to get emergency services because they don't have access to the wise to a doctor, and now the american citizens have to wait in line for seven hours to get to see a doctor because we've overwhelmed the local hospital. And and what is to do to housing Prices? We ve seen this in a number of communities, including those that I represent, ohio.

When you bring in thousands upon thousands of people, you cannot build enough houses quickly enough to accommodate that. So the cost of housing becomes unaffordable for american citizen. IT is the crazier thing that we've seen in this country that you don't even allow people to talk about the effects of mass migration and more.

And that's why I think it's one of the reasons why Donald trump is going to be elected president, at least should be elected president because he's one of the few guys who saying, you know what? No, no, we're going to talk about this problem. Yes, some immigrants are good. Some immigrants are not good. And that is an obvious insight to anybody who knows human nature.

What do you think is the goal behind allowing this to take place? At first of all, one of things that come on, Harris said, was that there was a bill that could have fixed the border problem, but that Donald trump did not wanted to take place because he wanted to keep this as a .

political talking point. Est.

est, what was the bill?

OK here is the bill. What happened is, okay. Let me talk about what the bill does. First one. okay?

Number one is IT sets a maximum cap on the number of illegal immigrants that we can have before the border shuts down. That maximum cap is two million illegal aliens per year. It's like one point eight five million to be more precise.

That's number wanted to number two, IT qualified. What's called catching release where a person comes in our country, they're an illegal immigrant. But they say, no, no, i'm not illegal immigrant. I'm an asylum seeker, and so their claim for asylum gets a judicatory because there's a backlog because we have so many, their claims is going to be a juddson ted for fifteen years.

So rather than having that person wait in mexico, we give them a work permit and we give them legal status, and we let them come into the united states of america. That's called catch and release data trust policy was you have to wait in mexico, we're not going to catch you. And then released you into the country for fifteen years.

IT qualified that. In other words, even if Donald trump became president, this is why he really hated IT is that he would not be able to undue catching lease if he won the election. IT would be qualified into american law.

Third thing I did, nothing on the border wall, nothing on an immigration system called parole, which is supposed to be a case by case. You grant parole to people who are fleeing tourney, but Harris has used parole to the tune of millions upon millions. Mass parallel.

Whole categories of country have been paroled in the united states. I didn't do anything to solve that problem. So IT wasn't a border security bill.

IT was an amnesty bill. Now in addition to what I just said, IT also gave some tables, scraps to border control. That is what allows them to hinge on to that one thing and to say it's a border, it's a border security bill.

No, no, no, no. IT was a mass amnesty bill would have made the border problem ten times worse. And that's why they ultimately pushed IT.

And that's why republicans fought against IT, by the way, like six democrats voted against that piece of legislation because they thought that was kind of a disaster. So IT was not a bipartisan border bill. In fact, IT was much more bipartisan, the opposition to the legislation.

But IT is allowed, commonly heroes, to go around and dishonestly claim that he cares about the southern border, even though when he came into office they bragged about undoing all of Donald trump successful border policies. They did exactly that. And then we had the massive migrant vine that we've seen the last three years.

And I think IT was good on you in the debate with tim walls. When they fact check, check you, they try to fact you, check you and say that this has always been in place and you stepped up and don't know this. A P, P is new.

And this APP was specifically used for shipping, yes. And now they're using IT to schedule people to illegally come into the country. Is the question why is happening? What do you think? Obviously, speculation a little bit. But what do you think the motivation of allowing this to take place? And the disproportion number of people that have moved to swing states, which is also like a little suspicious.

Um so depends on how many how many ten foil how do you have in this room? I got a warm drop. We get real serious about this real quick. Or pret pretty crazy very quickly.

Look, I think what is obvious is and i've seen this in the halls of congress, i've seen IT very explicit talk about lobbying, and we obvious ly talked about the context of other industries. There is a massive corporate lobby for cheap labor in the united states of america. And that is, I think, the main thing that's going on to think about this, if you've got millions of illegal ens, okay, let me tell your story.

In two thousand and seventy thousand and eighteen, when I was in the private sector, I was a business conference to dinner, and I was seated next to the CEO of one of the largest hotel chains in america. This is, I think, probably twenty eighteen. And the guy is going on and on about how much you hate Donald trump.

My go, that's interesting like why you hate alll trump so much because again, and I was sort of a trump skeptic in twenty fifteen. And at this point, I was kind of starting to really get get on the trump train. And he said, well, the reason as I, the reason I hate down the trump, he says, is because donal trumps border policies have cut down the number of illegal immigrants. And because I can't pay illegal immigrants under the table anymore, I have to pay american workers, and they want much higher wages. And this guy just added that I shit.

This guy just admitted, strait .

monopoly man, evil shit that this guy admit to. And I was like my wife, who's very political SHE, was actually had the dinner with me and you would come again. You just said you don't want americans to get decent wages like that is the best argument for Donald romps immigration policy is that american workers are getting higher wages.

And this is why this corporate C E. O hates IT. So whatever the industry is, you've got a lot of people who want cheap labor and they don't want to pay american workers higher wages.

That's a big part of IT. I do think there is also a power dynamic to in particular, I think commonly, Harris in the democrats. They want to give these millions upon millions of illegal aliens the right to vote.

They want to legalize them. They want to make IT easier for them to participate our elections. And that means fundamentally, at the end of american democracy, because you're not about twenty five million people here. If come here is gives ten million of those people legal status and allows them to vote american elections, then say seventy, thirty they go democrat. Republicans will never want national elections .

in this country in my lifetime. And the only way to get them on your side, which would be the republicans offer the same services and maybe even be more generous and letting illegals in exactly.

I mean.

you to have to literally beat them at their own game. How to give you .

a free house? Yes, I mean you life time staying, but you'd have IT would take thirty years for the republicans to get to a point where we could even compete with these these newcomers. But again, you will have degraded the voting power of the people who have the leg right to .

be here generates blue forever. We've done california exactly.

and we saw this. And look, i'm like a raging guy. I am a conservative republican, but reagan screwed up a lot. He screw up middle alth in this country. People don't talk .

nearly enough about things.

He really screwed up. And to see thing, he really screwed up yeah. And people always say, well, you know, a rilled rag and when they, critics of of Donald trump's will, look, have reagan talked about immigration because of what rodd reagan did in the one thousand nine hundred eighty six amnesty?

California is now effectively a permanently blue state, except when armed one. But Arnold ran as a super moderate republican. He was a major celebrity.

He was at the height of his celebrity power. And he still, he still won barely, even though california had been mismanaged. California is at one party state because of organs, esty.

And that's the fear, is that the entire country could .

become on the entire country becomes that now IT. Also, you may not appreciate this, but even if you don't give people the right to vote, IT really distorts congressional proportion in the elector college. You know, this works.

yes. So please.

Okay, so how many we have four hundred and thirty five congressional seats. Who the way, the way that you draw the congressional districts as you try to draw them based on population, so that everybody has equal representation, right? One person, one vote, fundamental principle of american law.

But you don't just count the american citizens, you also account the allegiance. And so for example, the stable hio lost to congressional seat in the last census and states that have high illegal immigrant populations picked up congressional seats. So you're actually taking away congressional representation from american citizens and giving IT to illegal aliens. Even if you don't give them the right to vote, you're still destroying the voting power of americans .

because it's .

based on popular ed on population including .

illegal immigrant is their way to change so that it's only based on legal american citizens.

Well, dotal trump, try to a proposal that democrats went not and litigated, was litigated in the court. So we would have to try again that would ask citizenship status during the us. census. The idea being that if you ask more people their citizenship status, you get fewer people who are answering that question. I think that we should make in and and I do think this would require active congress, but I think that that would be constitutional, is we should just say that illegal ens are not counted for purposes of congressional representation.

Yeah.

democracy would call that racist, but it's just common since policy. Well.

especially if it's been shown that you're manipulating IT by moving more people to these places and even if they're not legal citizens and they can't vote, it's still counts as congressional seats. right? That's kind of crazy.

That's exactly right. IT doesn't I? The one that drives me the most crazy is this idea that somehow another, uh, it's discriminatory ory to require I D to vote that could only me. I've tried to look at this from the charger position outside of IT only makes sense if you trying to cheat exactly right, this you need right I D for everything you you need I to rent a car.

You know, it's basically illegal now in california yeah, to ask for voter ID, which is craze, which is totally insane. But my view, and I just got many, many listeners in the great state, california, the next time you're pulled over by a police officer, just tell them that you're on your way to go.

I've yeah .

think about this. You you can't if you can't require people to show voter I D, and I think you're inviting fraud in your system. And there's also something implicitly very racist about this, because what they say is voter ID means that black people aren't going to vote.

Well, number one, if you look at polls, the same level of support for voter I D exists in the black community is in the White community is about seventy five ty percent of blacks, seventy percent White support vote I I D. But they're basically saying that black people can't get identity. When they say that voter I D A A racist, they're implicated, saying, like, people can get identification. I think it's an actual racist concept concept. I actually assumed that my fellow, the black citizens, are my fellow americans and they can do the same thing that every other citizen can do, which is good identification.

Is fundamentally just gas lighting. Ah it's all that is. It's just you're trying hard to make your point because you want people to be able to vote that maybe shouto be voting.

And then there's all these lawsuits. Its where they're counting votes that they know to be illegitimate. They're saying there's a certain amount of people that are in the system that they're going to they want to keep in there. Yes, which is crazy. You're saying you want people that shouldn't be allowed to vote to vote.

They say that they don't want illegal ens or illegal voters to vote. The haris administration right now is litigating a lawsuit against the governor, Virginia, because the governor of Virginia, using a state law, kicked about fifteen, one hundred people were made IT was sixty five hundred and IT IT was some some number of people off Virginia voter roles because they checked a box that said they were non citizen.

Well, if you're not citizen, you can't be on the voter roles. So he kicked all of the noncitizens off the voter roles. Harris is suing gen. Yang can the department of justice, and commonly Harris suing him to ensure that those voters go back on the voter. Les.

there's no argument makes any sense.

There's no argument for this other than you want to facilitate cheating.

but the fact that the left has no prom because they just want to win is insane.

Hold their feet to the fire. Who's going to tell the honest truth? The american media has barely covered the fact that in the middle of a very consequential present election, kamala herr's, department of justice is suing to keep illegal voters on the voter rules. crazy.

It's wild. So it's like for trump to win, he has to win by an enormous margin to overcome a lot of this shannan well present.

Tromps says we want to make IT too big to rig, I think. Look, I encourage all of your listeners, whether agree with some of the issues or not. If you agree with censorship, then both come a Harris. And if you think american should be able to say what they want to say, then get out there, vote, vote early, vote by mail. Like that's obviously part of the reason why i'm here is I want to get people out there to vote, because I do think that we need to overwhelm the system with so many voters that we ensure that we get the representative government that we actually deserve as a country. And that's not going to happen unless .

of people get out there. Vote is one of things that I think is an important issue that kind of gets put aside is I know a lot of veterans in particular and a lot of people with a some severe trauma that i've had, uh, psychic therapy and they've had to go to other countries to do IT. There's they've done some of the illegally in america, but I know far too many guys who have had P T, S D, who have had an incredible experience and been a levy of all in .

this helped, helped them .

tremendous way.

What is that? Is IT like india?

Or is that was what maps was using? They were running these studies and they got they they got close to fda approval, but then now they are being sent back to say they have to do more studies with the problem is like you can't really do double blind placeor control studies on m dma. Either you're on IT or you're not on IT. It's pretty obvious .

sugar pills don't have the same effect.

Yeah, just doesn't. But the therapy for people that are suffering from severe ptsd has been incredibly beneficial. I've shown that with the map studies, but y've also shown up with anew tally. I know a bunch of different guys that have gone down to mexico and had to aside and journeys and all these different things where they've encountered these experiences that have made them sort of rethink who they are, alleviated them of a lot of the stress and a lot the trauma that we've experience and given them peace. And the concept of schedule won is that there's no medical benefit.

And if these people are experiencing fersa station of smoking, people that have issues with addiction, i've begin treatments, another one that they found, which is not something that anyone would ever abuse recreationally. I've never done IT, but apparently it's excruciating experience. but. The uh rate of curing addiction is tremendous from IT and these things have been denied uh, people have denied access to IT because of this scheduling issue. Like there's a like we discussed yesterday on the podcast, like the L D fifty rate was like lethal dose at fifty percent is impossible to achieve with suivant and yet it's still illegal and that there's all these people that .

have reported suicide rooms. yes.

And you know what you can see the size IT doesn't have to busy, but the the scheduling of these things in like marijuana like marijuana is legal on a state level with I think almost half the country now, if not more yes, but yet federally illegal. And if you go to the history of why IT was federally illegal in the first place, IT coincides with the um what what happened with prohibition of alcohol right after promise of alcohol, they turn their eyes to marijuana.

And there is a lot of political influence by Harry, an slinger and William and of host and there's a lot of maneuvering and that's where the reformation ness films came up and all this propagandist IT was to make IT illegal, essentially to make the textile, the ham illegal. interesting. But there's a long history to IT.

It's basically more about the commodity of temp that IT was really about the drug itself. In fact, the term marijuana was never used for cannabis, which has been used for thousands and thousands years. A term marijuana was created by William brand doors and put in horse newspapers.

IT was originally, marijuana was a mexican slang word for a wild tobacco. Really, IT had nothing. So they started writing these stories about blacks and mexicans smoking this new drug marijuana and rapping White women. And most of this.

and it's so crazy.

the story, so not, but IT all came about because of an invention called the decorated cator. And the decorate cator is, uh, it's an invention that allows them to economically and effectively process hemp fier without slave labor. So when the cotton gen came along, people stopped using hemp as much because it's much more difficult to work with.

And they started using costs for clothing. But before that, they'd use hamp. P and this is non psycho active hemp.

Yeah, that makes a superior paper. IT does. There's a bunch of uses for IT completely outside of the psycho active aspect of IT.

William brand there was the cover of was a popular science magazine, popular mechanics magazine, hamp the new billion dollar crop. And IT was all about this invention. So then the propaganda machine goes into full scale.

And then this was in the nineteen thirties, OK. So they started here. IT is the new billion dollar crop, one thousand thirty eight. And this is because of this invention, the decorate gator. So solves a problem.

You can see that there solves a problem, more than six thousand years old hamper crop that would not compete with other american products. Instead, IT will display imports of raw material and manufactured products produced by underpaid coolly and peasant labor provide thousands of jobs. AmErica work throughout the land.

So everybody is really high on hamp as a commodity because of this new machine that you could process hampi ber with, where you can make much more superior paper, superior clothing, like it's a canvas, literally. The monoliths was painted on hemp. The first draft, the declaration of independence, was written health, these to use of for a paper back. So then William brand, off horse to owns hers publication, also owns all these paper mills and forest fill with tree.

Okay, so they in exactly.

So we're still trapped under this propaganda that was distributed in one thousand thirties by incredibly powerful people here. And this is why it's illegal on the federal level. And even though you have medical marijuana has been showed to help people with chemotherapy and wasting disease, help people that have appetite problems and people in chronic pain, it's still listed as a schedule run drug federally, which to me is uncomfortable. Dos make any sense?

okay. So like first all we're not trying to be clear because I speak as vice personal can we're not trying to throw out people in jail for smoker weed? That's like very much something that we're notice doing um what is I mean the one thing that I have like my is on this stuff is kind of live and let live like keep in your home. I don't like smelling IT when I take my kids to the park, right?

Yeah but keep in keep IT exactly yeah exactly.

But like keep at home. I don't want to throw people person, that's not what we're trying to do.

I be drunk at the party.

The right exactly, exactly, same, same, exactly principle. The thing that I wonder about is if you I do, there's a part of me that worry a little about kids yeah doing a lot of the stuff. yes. And I wonder you, to your point about consent in the brains development and all these things I really worry about, do you have an increase in usage among miners? And so what i'd like to get is, is some sort of leal regime, again, is not a criminally prosecuting or prosecuting at all people for a smoking and joint, but also where we can actually ensure that is kept out of public spaces.

That kind of my attitude towards IT, and I think got the right, the right approach, mean on the psychiatric thing, what is like, what would need to be done? Because I know, to be clear, I know absolutely nothing about this. So this is me, you asking a question, not committing to some public policy, had to be careful with this stuff, especially six days from an election.

But I had never heard about, because I ever, in two ice before years, the marine court went to iraq, went to hate once. And is there any like, like what is the pathway, I guess. So what do you think should happen for veterans accessing psychodeviant? S.

well, there are so many anecdotal stories about veterans experiencing relief that I think I should be available to them, specially veterans. I think that we put our veterans through.

but is IT like an F, D, A thing is making possible for them to .

get the therapy of, yes. And it's also the way it's scheduled, you know.

because the schedule one is if I had a medical use, because you would get IT off of schedule one. yes. So why are we? I don't just fascinated by this is the first time i've heard about this why rents we testing whether there is yeah fair point. You can do a double line placebo controlled study, but you can definitely still study whether this helps people or not. What why are we doing that or are we doing that?

I'm just done aware of IT. Well, we're definitely not doing that. I mean, there's spin some research, john, and did some research on syria lix, and they've found similar benefits. There's also dangerous like uh any anything that has profound effects on the human mind. They're certain people that are very vulnerable and those people should not be taking these things.

There's people that have a hard time with regular reality know they are barely hang on regularly yeah and but I think the people that are not should have access to that because I believe in freedom and I believe in the freedom to explore things that have great benefits. And I keep going back to veterans because I think we require an in saying thing of them. We take regular people who live in civilize society.

We send them over to afghanistan and iraq and have them engage in the absolutely most brutal things that people do, which is war. They see their friends blown apart, they get shot, they see people die, they have to kill people, and then they come back here. And then they're supposed to just there's no guidelines, there's no way to do IT.

There's no no one can coach. You throw IT and a lot of these guys want up killing themselves. And it's it's a very high amount. And you know, Shawn ryan, you have you done his yeah von ryan was talking about the experience that at how with him completely change, he stopped drinking. He became a much compassionate.

sensitive person.

He talked .

about foreign policy veteran.

I and you come back over here and you're supposed to just be Normal and there's no help, at least for those .

people you don't like look at I my attitudes. We should help veterans get the middle alth they need, mental health treatment they need, and be less screwed up by all the stuff we should be doing, whatever we can. I, I just want to, why aren't we?

Like, is this a farma lobbying thing? Is the screw thing? Like, because I always onderdonk, why are we not actually solving problems? And this is a problem I know nothing about. I did a lot about veteran suicides and veterinary health. This this proposed solution, like, literally the first .

time of cynics to, what's the resistance, you could say, the companies that make psychologic drugs, uh S S, our eyes and the like, and companies that have a vested interest and continue to sell these things would not want something that causes people to have profound psychological change that doesn't require them to be on these things anymore. There could be an impact on that. But I think this also a lot of ignorance.

I just, yeah, have you had this book? Bad therapy? No, okay, it's good. I've heard. good. yeah.

So the medical health thing in the united states is really, really worrisome because when I talk about obvious ly, we have a big gun violence problem, says american. I talk about midnight health because obviously that's a part of what's going on here. It's what they say as well.

Every other country has mental health, meaning advocates of strict gun laws say every other country health problems, but they don't have the same gun violence problem that we do. It's actually not totally true if you look at like S S R I prescriptions, a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, like project the category of midnight health therapeutics. We take something like six times as much as our peer countries economically. So clearly, there's something with midnight health treat in the united states that is very, very broken.

This also a direct correlation between school shooters, mass shooters and S, S R S. Really, yeah oh yeah, that most of the people that they have committed mass shootings and not talking about gang shootings, but a bunch of them are on psychologic drugs. And everybody wants to blame me.

Try, oh yeah, global IT.

Because you could find out what the numbers. I know the column in kids on psychologic drugs. I know there's .

been a ton of school is prescribed.

no, no, no prescribed psychiatric c drive, prescribed psychiatric trucks and that if you bring that up, you are taking away from the this argument. They want to say what they want to blame everything on the guns. It's all about gun control. And we need more gun control. And like, gun is a tool, there is more guns in this country than there are human beings.

Okay, I made this. I made the starting in at the debate. The idea that you can gun regulate your way out of this problem is ridiculous.

We have so many five arms united states of amErica that even if I bought into the gun control argument, you're never going to be able to get sufficient guns off the streets, right? So it's ridiculous. We have to actually go after some of the root causes here. IT also ignores me, like finland, for example, has a lot of guns, does not have nearly the same problem with these mass shooters that we do I be interest to see with their medical, health, drug usage raters.

Did you ever see ted nugent debate pierce Morgan on gun violence?

No, I never did. I just pretty good. It's really good. Take a smart guy.

He is a very smart guy, but ted actually knows the statistics. So when peers was bringing up all the mass shootings ah and all the gun violence shootings, TTS said, do you know what they really are? Do you know how many of them are suicide?

Do you know how many of them are gangs violence? Do you know how many of them are cop shooting bad guys? Do you know how many of them are actually .

mass shooter? I didn't know that actually, when we talk about gun violence problem, what we're really talking about primarily is gang violence. Yes, that's where that's where a lot of the gun violence, I think a majority of the gun violence is coming from. We should not say it's not a problem, right, but it's not the same problem that obviously .

gathers most of headlines right? In this idea that just .

getting guns out of people's hand.

they got, yeah, the idea that you're going to take guns away from everyone, you going to solve the problem most like you, you're still going to have people that are out of mine and they want to a bit violence and they're na find another way to do IT like we've had other ways that people have killed a lot of people because they were sick, yes, because are out of their mind, right? And the fact that no one wants to look at this connection between psychic c drugs and mass shootings is kind of insane. Have you found anything that shows like the data on that's prety wild?

No proof there's a paper trying to central time. It's twelve.

nineteen.

probably thirty, twenty more years because I syvac, what is this? Well, sorry, tomorrow.

tomorrow.

Great or fantastic. Anyway.

yeah, what you doing with talking.

we do in Better and gentle as a matter fact, and I think we do in western pa, but I need check. I go on from day to day. But yeah SHE obviously res a lot about veterans issues. And the most important Better issue is you have the mental health thing really matters is, but it's that we shouldn't be sending them to stupid wars.

Well, I was one of the most in really saying things that Hillary clinton did when he tried .

to say that he was a russian agent .

like like that is so crazy. This woman served overseas twice. SHE was a congresswoman for eight years.

and just so crying russian hill, we clinked, by the way, who is not served in the military at all. At least her husband, daughter haven't served in military at all. Immediate family hasn't. Like, give me a break on this.

He was deployed in medical unions. I mean, that's literally where he .

got that streak of gray in her hair. He is a like legitimate service to the united states of america. And the accusation that she's not comes from people who want to send americans to wars that have no connection to our national interest.

I mean, this is the biggest difference, I think, between commonly heron, Donald trump is actually foreign policy, and that there are three issues made me, i've learned this in my own brief. Listen, there are three issues where you are not allowed to chAllenge the establishment. One is trade you.

You have to be able free trade everything as good, let us many chinese lave labor made products in your country is as possible, even if IT destroys native industries. That is number one, the most important issue to our establishment. The number two most important issue is, is immigration. And the number three most important issue is foreign policy. And maybe actually, foreign policy is the biggest, because if you criticize the wars and you criticize american foreign entanglements, that is where people get really.

So what is the root of that? You think.

I think, of a financial right this chaney wants her board seat to radio and ever else as that that's part of what's driving. And of course, her dad was a major oor um I believed he owned a pretty significant thing in haliburton, but I actually think I don't want ever state that because I actually don't think that's most of what's going on.

And I this is maybe background view that I have that I shouldn't interacted a little bit more, but I tend to think that people aren't expressly financially motivated. I think they're much Better rationalizing their financial motivation is somehow good. So I don't think this shiny to be fair, even though I can't stand, wakes up and says I want to get rich so i'm to support the ukraine war so that rayon can continue making all these missiles.

I think it's going on is they have convinced themselves that the post world war two american consensus, this entire idea that we're gona remake the entire world in america's image, they think of that is the most important, the most valuable project. And they don't care. They're they're to do IT as much as they can, even though I think it's run its course.

I think we shouldn't learn to iraq. We can't turn everybody and to the united states of america, nor should we want to. But these guys can't quite give up on IT. It's just a powerful psychological motivation. You go back to when the soviet union fell, right, when the berlin wall fell in the late eighties, early nineties, there was this sense among american leaders, right?

Documents in takes over one hundred and ninety two, that we had reached, what was called at the time, the end of history, that western liberal democracy was going to try up. Everybody was going to be like us. There is not going to be no more ethnic conflict, no more religious conflict, no more regional conflict. And I think these guys bought the idea so profoundly that they can't really wake up and recognize that for the past forty years we've tried their theories and the theories haven't worked.

This also the crazier thing that happened to me during this campaign was when dickinson endorse coma Harris and the left one great yeah dictionary on our side, like raises .

thing guy, look how much stop.

how much you can we choose dick Cheney over a man. And the dig chain is also a good guy, the engineer behind the iraq war response. But how many people did you?

Hundreds of thousands may be millions of europe, certainly thousands of americans. The biggest world historical catastrophe. He, I think in the history, the united states of amErica was the iraq war, because unlike other mistakes that we've made, IT was truly enforced.

There was no reason in hindsight to do IT. There is nothing that we got out of IT. We lost, I mean, so many innocent people.

We spent trillions of dollars. We, I think, destroyed the social cohesion that we had gotten after nine eleven. Because remember, like after nine eleven, everybody was in american. We are all the same thing to creator republican. We destroyed that. And we created in iraq effective ly, a proxy of iron, which is telling now that twenty years later, the biggest foreign policy threat that we face in the middle east is iran, and we created a massive ally of the iranians in the iraqis. And none of the people who actually presided over that disaster saying, oh, maybe we really, really screwed up and maybe we should reevaluate .

some of our assumptions. There's only a few days left. How much of a chance do you think trump ass to win this?

Are you confident?

confident. IT is close.

but I am confident because it's close. But it's close in a way that favors right? The undecided voters tend to be voters who are more alive with us.

I think the early voting data looks really good. I think that know people just fundamental don't want to do more of the same and commonly heroes more of the same. I think some of our arguments that comes a heroes, the voter is the candidate of censorship, is starting a really breakthrough.

But you know, to your listeners, if you agree with what i've said here, get out there and vote. Because, like, there is something to be said for, mean, Donald trump actually SAT had a conversation and hopeful that to make a complete ful of myself. But they just don't do that right.

Like why? Why would we make a person who's terrified of talking about what he wants to do and what he believed? Why would make her a press united states? The only way to make that not happen is to vote for me and trump honor before november the fifth so it's it's very important um I feel good about IT, but I don't feel great about IT because there are a lot of ways in which democrats are going to try to motivate their base down the stretch.

There are a lot of ways in which yeah I mean, I won't put the past them. Maybe they do try to cheat. I don't know exactly what IT looks like in five or six days, but I know that the best thing that we can do to prevent that from happening is to get out there, make our voice. Is her right?

Thank you very much.

Thank you.