#2214 - Shane Smith
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The joe rogan experience.

Good to see. Good to see you what you ve been up to. Md.

a loaded question.

I just a couple .

months ago.

What made you want that just get tired to be on the outside looking?

Yeah, no, it's you. Actually i'm going, i'm going to paraphrase you so you got to tell me the exact quote OK but you said um covered was a fucked up time. And I went in thinking that vaccines were the pinning of human technology, came out thinking that the moon ding was in real and I was like, I was me yeah.

Like during coffee I was like, I became obsessed social media and and x and like, just looking at IT, whatever. And I like, you know what's true? What's not true? Like, what's like because everybody speaking so forceful?

Ly, this one question I want to as you talked all these dudes all the time, one of the things I missed like I would I would be talking even be like this is going on gas and be like, ah I was just there that's not what happening or know this is happening right? I was just, I love talking to people I love meaning people. And I love sort of knowing stuff like, you can just save what i'm gona go there.

I'm going to figure out out. So I saw this stuff on social media. I was like, wow, you know, there's all this stuff like but no one's really going after and saying, like as an investigative journalist saying, what's real? What's not real? What's true? It's not true. You are good .

people doing that. They are all investigative journalists. They're all independent. They're completely outside of any kind of washing post, which times it's impossible to exist in mainstream media and be legitimate. Now there's going to be you talk to .

everybody and that must be fascinating because you get the inside track like your brain is like a wealth of information yeah.

it's like I had an unexpected education. Yeah you know, like unanticipated, unplanned education in all sorts of things.

Yeah, these guys are super interesting in here. You get to learn and that's amazing.

It's pretty mazing. Yeah, I mean, you learn a lot of bullshit too, like some of the stuff you learn is not true.

What is the problem? I got a question. Bobby Kennedy seems to be like so like like so fast. Like, remember I used to watch tony blair during question here and and he'd like leap hop and he like, but he was so like he knew everything in the fact. And like you've interviewed to a bunch times.

talk to many times I interview.

is he that .

good in person or yeah he's I mean, he was an environmental attorney. Yeah, that was his background and you know he's such A I mean a crazy life. Imagine fourteen years old and your your dad gets killed by who know who know might be the government.

That's my first episode yeah assassinations deep stay. Well.

it's a real thing. You know I don't know who's doing IT or what faction or how small the amount of people are that are involved. Imagine if your legitimate person, worker for the C I, A, and you think that the CIA is trying to sate trump and you like the fuck or whoever .

is our first. So it's .

got to be I mean, it's got to be a small faction of intelligence agencies that want to do things. So like how many people do you think we're involved in the Kennedy?

So there's a guiding peer, dale Scott, who actually wrote the book on the deep state and brought like the concept over from turkey to hear and broke. And if you talk to him so he was really involved or rote about or covered the they tried to asset in castro that was the first american deep state thing was like violates. That's that's factual.

That's like, oh yeah, they were the mob and cubs in the C. I. A. They tried to commit anytime .

I try .

to kill and failed yeah and then you know that sort of moral and there's all this sort of mix into the Kennedy and bobbi Kennedy a rk assassination attempts that this guy was referencing and you're just like deep state has such a negative connotation to because it's like conspiracy is but you're like when they got explained to me by the guys who sort of coin the terms, which is you like there's this, the intelligence agencies, the pentagon, career bureaucrats who by the way, go back and forth. It's a rotating or they go to rathie, they go to boeing, they go only and they get the contract trillions of dollars, and they act in codes with each other in makes total .

far can sense course relationship.

And if they have something that needs to happen, you have all kinds of people who will do that thing for you. yes. So it's not why exactly it's not bureaucrats in yes.

it's literally be one guy who's the topic executed or a hundred or you know a few people that come to a conclusion and don't even have to say IT and then the planets hatched yeah and then next thing you know, there's a guy in a room yeah.

Where out into, I can just see the fuck and tweet, but twice. But but for sure, like, it's like I found that fascinating. Not only so, I started doing like the snipers. We got this sniper fascinating duty as the longest confirm, kill three point five clouds.

So we started just talking technical ship, and you're like, a kid could have be done in the snipers, like, what do the snipers have to say? And then got the head of the the guy who trained all the secret service people. And we got that actually got trumps head of security for eighteen years, personal head of security guy, first time I ever thought he was a great, great guy, key sheller.

And then um uh we got into and then everyone started talking about the deep state, deep stay and know what fucker is the deep stay? I know what the deep state people think is. That's the other thing is online, everyone else so many givens you like in math, only one IT doesn't given.

So there are so many givers like, well, let's look at the givers like what is the deep state so literally one after the guy who coined the phrase and he's like, I am like going, yeah, that sounds completely, I mean, I know those like that sounds is completely believable. And then so when you believe that, then you starts saying, okay, well, how do these things look like? What do they look like is fascinating.

But I mean, look, I ended all this up and then you're, they are like, all day, everyday doing this. I must be fascinating. I love you. So so I did get sick, my long winded answer. I did get sick of being on the outside.

Looking at IT is fascinating, but i'd like the way I do IT because I I get to talk to anybody I want to like. I don't have to just deal with things that are disturbing. Yes, I can you talk to someone with a beekeeper? I can talk to someone who know .

makes abandons you made your own empire, which is working.

What i'm interested in just happens to be the a lot of people interested in these things. So it's lucky. And it's also because i'm actually interested in IT.

I don't have to have fake conversations like there's no one I have on my my you know like you see that right? You see that like late night talk shows. They don't want to be in a view in this too much. Yeah, it's not sense. Well, vice, when you started advice, IT was one of the most refreshing new sources because I was like these intelligent people that didn't seem like gregor journalist.

They see just people that they see .

like Normal people ah and yet all the sudden they were in a flag jack and in the war zone they see like Normal people. They're hanging out the hot tub in thailand. It's like he was Normal people that were interested, like vice guy to travel that one, the high mos arctic adventures. That is till today, one of my favorite videos. You guys everyday fucking love that story because it's amazing you've got this guy that lives in, know the human yeah .

in this tiny cabin .

and he's been there since one thousand nine hundred and seventy. He doesn't even he saw nine eleven in a photograph. That's all he knows about IT.

He isn't have any television up there. He gets vhs tapes, occasionally watches among a tiny TV. And he just lives in this subsistent slight style, fishing and hunting and and living off the land, and in intelligent, interesting particulate guy. And he seems way happier than the most people .

I know for sure. He was the most remote human until we found those people in russia, in like siberia, who had run from stalin and this family who had gone up into the mountains and just lived there for like eighty years by themselves, like made shoes at a bark and like choice, self sustaining up on the mountain of, like they thought the, they did know about the moon landing they didn't know about.

Kind of you do they?

Not a lot. I think there .

was a lot of breeding of god. yeah. How many people are there?

You look, I don't know. It's like there was six when they found, I think, and one was like, eighty. Who is the Youngest or something? Oh, crazy story though.

Yes, they ran from stogies.

I was still.

it's funny. You can't name a kid adou, but you can name a kid Joseph.

And no word, no word. Joseph was too common.

Yeah, just but .

wasn't IT off really common with the the germans and I where?

No, wait off in the bible. So no.

didn't make cut.

didn't make the cut. But when you guys were when I was Young, I was like, IT was new internet, right? Because international opens up a bunch of different possibilities, and IT opened up possibilities for legitimate independent journalism and legitimate independent thinkers who were really disconnected from the sort of stiff, stuffy, mainstream perspective of what's going on in life.

And you guys gave you, you guys gave a completely unfiltered perspective as a Normal human whose experiencing these bizarre circumstances in these exotic lands. And IT was awesome. Man, IT was awesome. And then now it's this bizarre propaganda machine that's ideologically captured to the point worth, preposterous, like they say, things that are just so outlandish and so not in tune with logic or objectivity. It's it's so strange to say going from what you made to what IT is now yeah.

look, I mean, I could get into the the nuances, which are many and boring, but basically what happens is and actually called IT from the ginning I said, like we're going to get too big and at that point we're going to become the thing that we're like we were a chAllenger brand and we're going to become the status quote and then we're going to get our asses kicked A, B.

I said, look, all internet is now consolidating and media is consolidating and everybody's consulting because they have to because the big five taken all the money and we knew was coming. But IT came like, look, i'll tell another thing in media. You know there's a lot of people picking shit like you get to pick shape because you're on your own shop.

You're you're the main. But like when you run media, like people put on what people watch, that's the rule. Like you just put on shit and people watch IT. And then like if you say I want to do this and nobody watches IT, then you to say, I want to do this and often so and we always had a thing where we gave the company over to the interns. If we just stay the jenee free, give away, we would never got in the video.

In fact, when we got into video, we were derided by the old guys for for selling out, because going to online video was seen as a cell, because we should to stay to magazine. So we used to give IT over the interns. And then the interns just, they had a different fuck in everything.

They had a different philosopher there, a different subject, a different look at everything. And they were going, and by the way, the traffic was still there. And I was the same. I was looking at the fuck, is this right? The fuck is going on and you know you're like, well, that's the traffic and you're fucking and things you like, it's no traffic because you're old man so anyway, I was said I retired for a number years and you look.

when did you get out?

I moved L A, remember, fifteen, fifteen and sixteen around there. So I moved to a because our biggest clients were there. The biggest platforms are their known was out there.

And you, my kids and I was like okada, like I can move to the country and commuting to new york. I can move till I. So I moved L.

A. And that started a whole that, you know, that was not smart and retaliate because you leave and IT starts like game with own shit. And then also, quite Frankly, if you want to know the metaphysical fuck and reasons why I going to get into IT, okay right I .

love me a physical .

you um what the best time for vice the time that you're talking about, the time that I loved was know you would go before all the big investors, anything you would go to like italy, right? And you would get of apartment and you get a girlfriend and you find an office and you hire people that look like you or hang out like you are just a cool or whatever and you would build IT, you would buy the fucking on computers on your credit card, and you would fucking go to the grandmother's place for fucker launch and chinodya.

You would like, you know, figure out all the cool places to hang out with you, with your friends and stop, and then you'd have a big party and everyone would come in and advice will be launched, and you get on a train to go to sweden, do the same thing. You live there for six months. You'd build something that was tangible, the mag would come out, you'd start shooting stuff, and it'll be fucked and awesome.

And then when I got to be like you fly in and you meet with lawyers and accountants and it's shit and then you fly out again the next day, it's terrible, right? right? And so when that happened, I was like, I won't do this anymore and i'm not good at IT like I was good at building.

I'm good at building. I'm good at like founders are not necessarily Operators. One of the smart things you've done is like just keep your own, shake your own shit. And I got, you know, my eyes are too big for my family in the way.

because you just like, let's keep away, keep IT small. Ep, it's just me and jami, and we have a video edit that's not even local. He just .

gets IT on the internet. Jamie.

yeah, no, it's the best. It's the most important. I have friends that have big podcast and I have like this huge staff and they have all these people run around like what all these people do.

And it's like they want this feeling of their the boss of a bunch of employees for some reason, like they want all these production people that are creating content and then you have interoffice conflicts and they're always putting out fires and people are complaining and then people leave and make videos talking about what a piece ship boy were and it's like him. And are you're dealing in this thing worth that? There's currency in that information.

There's currency for these these mediocre people. So you hire these mediocre people. These mediocre people attack you because there's currency and attacking you, but you didn't need them in the first place.

This whole thing was stupid, like you're making a little bit more money, but you have more problems, but you don't notice that money, like you have to pay attention to what you notice, right? What whatever the fuck you have in your bank account, if you if you're a fairly wealthy person and you have one hundred dollars more, one hundred dollars less, a thousand doors more, one thousand and less, you don't notice IT. But I tell you what you do notice, you notice hassle, you notice problems.

Those problems are worth a lot of money to get rid of. Give you out a bunch of employees like, fuck, what can I do? There's so many people so annoying.

Got to wish we we're small again. Getting back to small again is a great. You got to fire people so you got to downsize.

You got to figure out how to do IT. That's a best man. You don't want that mess. So that extra money that you got by making things too big, you fuck yourself, you got greedy.

You looked at at the like someone said to me, like was in the park on the company told this friend mind was i'm very successful, was like um trying to find a new assistant I what do you need new assistance because you don't have an assistant. I go. No, I go.

This is what you do. Do less shit. If you need an assistant, you're doing too many things. Do less shit. Don't get up fucking assistance even assistant of what happens a David space, the guy shows up a doctor but a tazer and trying to kill you.

Member that because they wind up presenting you yeah because if you've got some person is working for is making fifty thousand dollars year and you're making fifty million dollars, they want to kill you after a while. They like i'm a part of this too, you know like they don't think of IT as this is a great job. This job could eventually lead to something bigger.

People get resent ful. Also the type of people that are three, four years old, they're working in his assistant, probably a little fucked up, probably made some mistakes, probably you not really on the right path in life now. So you you're connected to hip to this person, then they want to tell you about their problems and and maybe got to next one for me, be they got to this more so you've because you wanted to appear like give up.

Everybody wants a big organization like fighters. big. Know the J. R. We about thousand employees worldwide.

We have three employees. Yeah, smart. You know, harvard, you should hire you to teach business because that is a hundred percent of its so fuck right, like you just said, what's in my fucking brain like it's that one hundred percent of that is true. Everyone should listen to this guy because this is one hundred back in percent to when you're Younger.

chip.

and exactly when you're Younger, you like, I fuck and look in bucket and they came from nothing. And so like when you have there is actually a harvard thing where they say there's a paradox where you hire somebody because you want to someone to help you, but there's not as good as you. You hire someone not as you, then hire some not as good as them.

So then all this up and you have to do more work. There's more hassle than you have a whole group of people reporting to you and this is exact on other on a business. And I even knew that going in and then you hire in your exact right you know, you hire all these people. All we need to do is be in the same room as you yeah and then that access once access and with everything.

shame. Can I pull second? There's a project in my friend and I working .

on really kids involved. I know I got to definitely got too big and you're exactly right. Like, look, you're wise to do because it's like you keep IT small. You're exactly right. That's like after having learned turned what i've learned like we have a tiny little team that makes this thing and it's super a like it's like the early days advice where you're you're just making shit and talking to people and chop in IT up and doing stuff and trying new into one we could be like this and the other we could be like that and just fucked and do everything is so much more fucking in fun.

You are a hundred percent right? yeah. Fun is the most important thing. Like if you, brian, counter this to me once, and it's a really great advice, he goes though he was. All you really want is to be able to go to a restaurant and not worry about what things cost. Yeah, everything else is bulls shit.

Hundred is true.

Everything else is bullshit.

Hundred.

you get used to cars you used to house is like I realized, like early on, I got an apartment when I lived in north hollywood, like the first nice apartment I had. But after I was in a couple weeks, I was just my house. No, just like the house I have now, not that much different.

It's just like your home. Okay, great. What do you need? A couch, need A T, V? You need a bedroom, you need a kitchen.

That's all you need. Hopefully doesn't stink. Hopefully IT doesn't sock. Hopefully neighbors are not loud. Hopefully it's be nice of you of you that you .

but I not go a step further than that is you you I don't know about you, but you accumulate shit, right? And because I know anything, like I got into watches, I got into show, I got art, then I got like, I don't even fucking drive and I got like, I got hony cashes bucking car from nine, six, nine cars that so thousand, nine hundred and sixty nine. Johnny cash had the number one shown america.

And abc got him a one of a kind rose, rose, exelon body, all all black, black mahogany. I interior and check this out so I got so was me and we bit remember east again. I was in bags, want a bunch money was actually had to fly to china and my body stayed there and was meaning newton um uh bidding against h each other for for john y clashes car and and when we got IT IT, which was like burning, fucked and fuel oil is black mode common terms? So I I turn IT into a tesla. No, yeah yeah ah it's fuck and awesome but it's awesome. We have to kept everything.

but this is online.

Can I see this thing you can see?

Yeah, yeah.

Did you put IT online? No, but there's a can .

you send out to jammy so we .

can see IT just put up john's cashes. Rose, rose, one hundred and sixty nine. It's a black or black rose rose.

So I turned IT into a tesla reading the whole interior fucking world. Who did that? I'd have to get the fucking .

the me that look at that. We cash me about his rose rose. And I fuck and love IT because I was that with .

rick ruin in that car yesterday.

But that's john's cash, not john's .

carson Johnson cash. Did you say john y. carson?

John y. Cash, you say, are the number .

one show on T. V. John's cash brightly hour?

Oh my god.

I thought A B C, A B C gave him this car and and yeah had to made in. I was with grubin in that yesterday we were driving around in IT. Ah it's and IT IT it's so fucking fast and IT drives like a fucking .

and crazy boat. Well, and converted IT.

These are the dudes who did IT wow. And we read IT all that wood. Now, what's all the original .

black mahogany from? So when the battery is go bad, you can swap the batteries. The batteries. Point where you get really low mileage, you might get low knowledge already.

right?

Thank god. You must have to upgrade the brakes in a big way because it's very heavy. Yeah fuck and beautiful cars.

Such a good car. Because when I came out delay i'm like i'm going to get to shit Brown argue the Christian rolls ice and an M, S, thirteen driver would like the full thirteen and like a safety and I for the party and so I got this one and i'm just, it's fuck and awesome.

Wow, that's so cool. They're doing this. Is ever her the company called ever ready? Yeah, they do the .

electric swap vers. Yeah.

they do swap vers for, I know, do porches. I think they do a mostyn as well, but they take these classic cars. The problem, like you.

I say this, I don't have any desire .

to have one of these things, but I think there are. But the thing is like for me, I see that, oh, that's disgusting. Get that off screen.

I see that that does disturbed to know what you took. A G, T, forty and two and electronic. The thing about those old cars is the mechanical field, and that is ninety percent .

of the experience .

of driving like .

they're .

supposed to have. I could see doing that with john. I can I his car is kind of funding, but you do into that, you should go to jail.

You do that to A G, T. forty. You should go right to jail.

Power as IT is a.

well, not really. Originally, this is the, this is ferri versus ford. This is the original car.

I actually have the next version of that, which is the four G T. I have one of the two thousand five ones. That's a stickshift. I I feel like if you drive a collect, that you have to drive a manual, can only go to hundred fifty miles, right? And that if you driving like a grandma, but IT has eight hundred horse power, it's IT.

You know electric cars are different than any other car in terms of the speed that you get the way that feels to just go wish. But there's no but that car is. That's that card is like that card is like this.

So it's exciting. There's an engine behind you. It's let's go, baby, come on to .

feel the .

bumps you and steering in your hand, the wiggling of the tires. It's ride. It's not efficient.

It's not supposed to be efficient, it's an experience, it's a sensory overload. It's not just transportation. That's why turning one of those things into electric .

is I did think because this was burning fuel, burning blacks like barely fucked and ran yeah so so did so love IT. But the thing my long winded to answer that question was I started I collected all this shit like you were saying IT doesn't bring you anything in that I made me cars for you so I just go, you know, on all that yet I just started about this too like i'm just going to get rid of IT.

Like the more I free myself from that shit and all that stuff, you're just like psychic. I used to go speaking of the old days advice I had everyone used to laugh because I go for literally years with a backpack. And I just what I wear as black jeans, black t shirt, I would just buy new ones if I need something. I just go to a pharmacy one of my to this day, like if I go to a fuck and pharmacy in a foreign country, i'm stoked because IT means i'm getting shit that I need like shampoo and fucking two paste in a little scissors from my nose hair and and that means like i'm on top my game, i'm talking ready to go. I get an view people in due shit because i'm gone to the fucking and pharmacy and and and know I love going to fucking and supermarket buy some fuck food and some that show gives me pleasure yeah I onna watch your fucking yeah a car shoes yeah most .

of those they're cool. They're cool. I'm i'm interested in engineering and artwork, right? And I like that's why have so much art in this place.

I love people's expression, yeah. And I feel like cars are art work. That's how I view cars, especially old cars.

I have a lot of old cars in those old muscle, nineteen, early nineteen muscle. That's what I love. I love, I love them.

I drive them like there just it's like i'm an amusement park, right? That's how I feel about them. And I just when I was a kid, those were the cars that everybody wanted.

So to me, it's like I get a real joy hours, but if I didn't have them might be fine. yeah. If I just draw my text to work every day, I would be fine.

Like the level of happiness you get in terms of like how much you have to work for some things, it's not worth IT. It's not worth too many people. People strive for this thing that doesn't give you anything back. Yeah, it's just this thing is hard, just got some thing is hard to get doesn't mean it's good. And there's a lot of things that people strive for that are difficult to achieve, but they're not valuable when you get there.

No any 就是 speaking of psychology， yeah like you talk about a musical. The car I learned to dry was my grandmother's car that SHE gave to my cousin. And when I was thirteen, he was six or something, and he told me out to drive and he was a novice.

So he was an I ty nine O I A Y nine. And that been completely by this guy, Steve strobe. So and it's it's the crazy as ever, this one's incredible .

because it's underman. It's underd. It's not like it's a powerful beast and it's bad as but it's not like not like a furry like you know floris can be beautiful.

It's different. It's a different flex. Yeah you know the ferri you just have money. That's my that's a no mine. My sixty look like exactly hers .

was gold. I still remember that no mind .

is like it's got one thousand nine hundred and sixty nine command al enders. So they they made IT like wider so they could fit larger tires and tubed IT out ah it's all customer and as supercharged l .

four IT was her engine did not yeah .

that's it's a very efficient driving carbon. It's just so fun. It's just like you drive that thing. This experience sounds IT ended to me. It's like those cars are the ones that resonate with me.

And you know so I but if I only had one refine, I just like them every now and then. But they're are not the thing is not the end of be all. There are not family, friends, love, community.

There's always things that people put those objects above. They're put above everything in your life. You strive for that thing because it's a symbol of success. Yeah, and it's nonsense.

So I had a speaking of psychological damage. As for things, I grew up poor, but when I was a very rich or girl, and IT was her birthday, right? Where in france was her birthday? And her uncle had forgotten her birthday.

And so he, should I go here, you know, take my watch, going to think and they are like, no, no, no, like you you know that watch is like fifty thousand or a watch, whatever. And I was like, no future watches for fifty thousand dollars. Like fifty thousand dollars.

Like, okay, what? And IT was like a classic protect, fuck and moon face, whatever. And I remember clock in the watch. And when I got money, I became obsessed with the classic protect, which is now like five underground, fifty and the moon phase.

And that's so crazy that I watches five hundred .

thousand doors, five million dollars. I am, yes. And so like those .

recharge molay watches.

yeah, I mean, the most expensive are still protects. But yeah, like those ones are. I mean, rare ones like I was obsessed with.

So I like the pollution panda, but they have like the lemon or the champagne panda, which is the gold version of that, which which they made like four of, and I want, I was chasing that down and you can't fuck and wear IT, right? Like every place I go, you can't fuck and wear like I was fine here and you can put IT to security. So what the fucking can put you through there was snatched.

Watch is snatched all .

the time. But that is to so I have nearly lost them many times because you you get you have a few ales on the plane, take your shit off and put IT in the box and then you, oh no, i've never done IT, but it's been close calls. But there are so many stories in the watch world about you go on to customers, you go on to security, you go to somewhere someone takes you for.

I've had a lot of people like much I want you're like fake. I was just says fake anyway. So i'm get rid of all just because you're like a food doesn't work, mean anything and what actually does mean he is like like you are saying, like you know learning, educate, like like making ship but also the same time like going like i'm learning shit. Yeah, it's fun getting something happy like i'm fucked your backlog in you. It's like it's if what an interesting for your brain positivity yeah.

it's good for your mental health. It's also it's what life is about. Life is about growth. It's about learning. It's about experiencing things.

And when you get an opportunity to talk to someone like I talk this one in the other day, dian pood, yeah sure. This book, a woman, wolves. SHE spent her entire life tracking wolves and and, and handling them, and coLoring them and studying them.

And he lived in a cabin in the woods for years by herself, with no water and no electricity. No, fascinating. Like just like you're a totally different type of person, never experience what's your life? Like what do you do? Like what do you think about most about that?

Yeah of wolves.

yeah. I mean, it's to me, there are so many opportunities in this life to be stimulated by exciting and interesting things yeah, where you can learn about stuff and if you can figure out how that's your job and it's not just something that you do on the bus on the way home, but it's actually your job, that's that's a good life.

definitely. I mean, for me, that's what I love doing. I like talking to people and I like learning and I like, you know, you're learning shed to other people obviously do post you're they're learning and it's just it's an awesome thing .

to be able is there a way to do something like the original voice but just keep IT small and never let IT grow?

Like, listen, the vice news right now is me and i'm making in podcast i'm doing so that I find interesting.

Is IT still vice you call advice?

yeah. I mean, so you still .

one of the owners you like. How does that work?

I mean, completed. I mean, it's complicated. I'm not like I, I, I was the largest shareholder and then I went to earning nothing. I lost the most of anybody. Not i'm asking anybody if I can cry from anything. IT was actually a good thing because you you like when you realize a lot of stuff of happiness and stuff, you realized that not when you're a cash and checks, you know you know not A A calm sea, never a good cap and made but yeah throughout all the you know the changes, basically I was still in the in the backdrop you just around you sell .

when I got at the top when you get actually .

that's the whole the whole thing about idea. I saw some and you know took some money off the table which is why I could send my retire um but everyone's like shame your current sol so he said no he said i've never said my money in my whole fight life I was building my to sell IT I never fucked and said, now that's all fucker in organ we tried to sell IT the time order. Try to sell IT. The disney IT was just like, you know, when disney said, no, we went to private equity and then know that relationship that is never good.

So well is the old adage, age go will go broke. And that's what happened with advice. People stopped.

They just stopped. Vice is one of the best examples of go or go broke ever because vice was fucking huge. And he was exciting. He was interesting, know yet, great shows. And then I just got .

to weird. I mean, yes, media and media a where and look, everyone is looking at for us and then we can get on another ship and you know who left the fuck in por hole open of the titanic and you know like, yeah, hit a fuck iceberg, not just us. You look at all the new media like cultural five, five, five companies take up eighty seven cents of every advertising dollar in the world, and an independent media gets the rest.

And it's getting smaller and smaller. The money drives up. And when the money dries up, you start getting frantic.

right? You start fucking and falling around looking for shit, whatever. You start looking for solutions, other people start looking for solutions. Young people start fuck and saying, this is what we to do this to do get five thousand people saying what we to do rather than five. And you ve got people who are some, I checked out, if not checked out, and you know, SHE got said, nobody's fucked in, that's my baby. Nobody got fucked and more sick about than me but you're like, okay, you know so now you know we're doing vice news is me are doing the podcast we're doing it's fun again.

We're just fucking building trying to do new shit with fucking in a high with someone that is fun and but yeah, I do do should of my own and now look, the other thing too is I also spent time living in my life, which I hadn't been doing. I'm sure you you do out here, you to go and got to live your life again. You live.

live this idea that your career, me, your whole life .

is foolish fish .

flesh that this time I was talking .

to somebody here.

Gene j, yeah, yes. Sixty seven.

Gene, yeah. I was saying this because we were the forgotten generation, and everyone, like I was sitting, and I was saying to someone, if you look the cars and thing of we live in the greatest envelope of history ever, like of the billions of planets in the billions of years of this planet, like we live in this final time, when there's oxygen and there's water, and you can fuck and eat, and you can fuck and you.

And then i'm like, kay, if you look at that and then go the best ever time has been like our little window, like in the sixties, grew up in the side fuck and free to go play in a crick if thing and pitching and all that shit and then no parental supervision, then you but there's never been like a major fuck. And what we were not getting pitcher in the stomach, you food has been like for the first time really in history. Food is now everywhere is good for every corner, like quality wise, you know uh travel luxury for an international travel.

Me like being able to do freaky jobs rather than to work in a factory like all these fucking. And things happen for genetic, and god knows if IT happens again, because A I is going to be all human and ever done by machines and environmental shit and fucking in the world is changing in ways we can't fucking in them and have Young kids and all the parents were clock and like hands about. They not learn a math like it's A I is going to change buckin everything.

And so so i'm like was talking to someone I think it's ironic, but jeni s actually lived in the greatest historical window of all time potentially. And so i'm not going to just fuck and not enjoy that. I'm going to go out there in life and just be like i'm literally living in the greatest single fucking window in the history of history.

We most certainly, and we live in the greatest time of technological change in human history. We we started out like you. And I can remember when phones were attached to the wall. I remember when I was .

had to .

spin the wheel, the call you, and if you fucked up, I got to IT.

There's a phone call for you.

And when people would call and you were on the phone, IT would .

just be busy.

When is you get off the phone? You call him back and got still busy. And then he became, call, waiting.

Hold on. Someone else is call in, I guess, someone else. Maybe there are more important new hole, please.

And then he come back. And then IT was cor ID, oh, this mother fuckers call and fog. And then answer machines were the greatest.

And when you could get a remote answer machine, so I could call my answer machine and listen to you, lead me a message. Hey, meet me at the bar at ten, I like and i'd call you back and leave a mesage on your machine. Hey, I got your message. I meet at the bar ten.

I love that I was incredible. Love that I was incredible. See on saturday at eight.

But we were also free from the confines of social media. And social media has brought an incredible amount information to people, but is also also created a lot of very mentally ill people. What they realized that or not it's like you're getting a low dose of radiation all day long every day.

but also addictive.

Very, very.

very ship with doping had ahh .

yeah and then it's IT could be psychologically very damaging if you read stuff about yourself and I ve had many friends that started becoming successful and then started doing really well and then started reading people's hate is crazy and IT drives them not IT IT hurts her feelings that really does I mean, oh, poor boy but I mean, really that human there's a human beings. Yeah, there are human beings.

And I know that the people, look, if I was not a famous person, I was A A person that, you know, was like who I was when I was nineteen years old, I would one hundred percent be leaving shady comments on youtube videos and shady comments on someone's instagram or twitter, whatever. It's what people do. It's Normal.

It's it's not the people's fault because it's a very disconnected, disassociated way of communicating with people. It's not congruent. It's not like it's not Normal for human communications somewhat.

We're designed, we're designed to do this. I am looking at you. You going to me, I smile.

You smile with buddies where we get time. That's how people are used to communicate with each other. When you're communicating with people through text, it's fucking bizarre. It's a very bizarre.

It's very different and it's not good for you to take in the opinions of hundreds of thousands of people that you mayor may not be mentally ill, mayor may not be go through the orse yeah have an active ground or just look if you're successful. In particular, there's a lot of unsuccessful people that have very bitter, very sad, and they want to find everything wrong with you. We were talking about this in agree room last night.

I thought and loved the new beetle juice movie. I loved IT. I read so many bad reviews of IT, so many bad reviews that I felt flat.

I had a giant smile on my face the whole time. I'm a huge tim burton fan. I think the guy is brilliant and I think his movies are so unique because they have this fingerprint of ten burton on.

It's like it's so obviously through his mind, his vision, I think the guy is incredible. I love all these films. So for me I was like, oh, this is great when they got to the soul train.

Like, yes, I love IT. This is so tim burton. And so many people criticize that. In particularly there was something offensive about the sole train. Like fuck.

People say shit about fucking restaurants and everything. And i'm like, yes, fucking great. Every fucking and cheese worker, I love cheeseburgers. Fucking good.

Some guy for the new york times wrote negative review about Peter lugar, stake house and brookland, Peter lugers, stakeout and brooklin is a fucking classic. If i'm anywhere near that area, i'm eating there one hundred percent that .

places so near our all vice office. And we when we did have any money, the hack where you go there, order lunch to go, and you order the burger because it's all the ends of the stakes and the walk killer burger, and you take IT down to the river and you look at manhattan and had this to five dollar burger at the time, and you're like, this was the greatest fuck lunch in the greatest city. I like a love .

actually. Yes.

and I was like, fucking in new york. Man, this is Peter. Look, fucking burger and fuck, there's man hat and we're a fuck.

But this review is so toxic. And ori and I had just eaten there, we had just been, no ori, I should hear we had just like we had just been there like a month before. We like, what the fucker are you .

talking about .

with one of the best meals?

All the guys .

who worked there, thirty five, shot out the Peter luger. I but it's the point. It's like even a place like that that you you should go there and just take in what you're experiencing. You're experiencing a classic old school stake that doesn't exactly the same way every time.

forever.

forever. But is just that people even in that will find negativity, everything sucks. And I think we are talking about this last night that I think this is a symbol of the times we're going through right now because everyone is so anxious yeah the presidential elections are headed and no one knows what the fuck is gna happen or what's the what's the right answer?

yeah. Is the Better if he gets in, is the Better if he gets in. He to to be a dictator.

Is he going to crack on a free speech? And we're going to be in world war three. What's does iran have a fucker nuke was at earthquake.

A nuclear was IT just an earthquake. Know there's a nuclear test. The weather. Why is got here? Florida, like all these different things, like there's so much going on. Israel and gaza, the middle ast and fuck man is so everyone is like, fuck that movie, fuck fuck restaurant it's like it's just the site gust is disturbed we don't have is not a peaceful .

time in our lot of yes.

And you know I think we're missing out on the reality of our existence, which if we lived at any other time, we lived in one thousand and twenty four, and you ve got a time machine to go to twenty twenty four, you be like home. This is a man .

when you go get stabbed, ed, with a fucking and bang and and die of ganging over like this was fucking unpleasant. Yes, and you're eating, you're sitting all the time .

because everybody to refrigerate ounds because is no food.

There's no food and you didn't drink some water because you get to sit there was bad.

was bad. There's is a reason why most people in history with drunk because they had to drink alcohol.

because if you drink regular water, you'd have fucked in poisoning in IT like you. We moved to IT in pipes. It's sly.

Everyone got plastic in their ball.

That's the other problem I wanted talking about. Uh, don't you freak? Because because when I first started started studying politics, you have to take stats. And they are like, there was a southern.

Do you teaching me like, you can have a statistics to prove anything? And my thing now is, and this is what I became interesting, and is, like, all of this is my start with ark, you everyone has all the stats, and then they give stats so forcefully that you believe them. I know that sounds fucking in. And the stats about this, stats about that and all the stats are bad.

Yeah, there's no good stats. There's no good stats, 所以。 But there's a good start in terms of if you look at society in comparison ety of two hundred .

years ago, people .

kinder, people are more it's way more equally. We understand things more .

yeah and like if you look at the sort of coefficient of of hundreds of years ago, I lap up and I remember looking at that going, oh yeah, fuck, we're doing good yeah which is when I go to the carl sagan and should we're actually living in the greatest fucking and window of all time, where's the fucking and anxiety coming? And I don't know who said this, but I think I was I know who said this, but work satisfies need, desire, insanity like you.

You need to work to like for food. Yeah, you know, desire because happiness is going forward. And then Sally is, if you don't fuck and work, you go crazy.

This is my fear with universal basic income, which I think is inevitable.

It's vital.

yeah. I think this the only way we're going to be able to keep people alive, my fears that we're going to have too much control over those people. We do that and those people who have no purpose and will have an even more disenfranchise population than we have today in the habs.

And the haves not will be even further and further apart. And and there's no real education that is in school today where you take a child and you say, hey, look, the world is going to change and most of these jobs are going to be useless. You're going have to find something that you love that resonates with people.

And if you do that, people are gonna willing to exchange that for money. Yeah, wherever is, if you can make this table, your name. Drew made this table, this.

I know the man who made IT. He is a carpenter. He made a table out of wood.

We gave him the specifications. I told, I like oak. You like, this is a hand made thing. And a hand made thing is always, to me, is going to be very valuable. I love a handmade knife.

I ve, I love things that someone worked I painting, like a painting that someone like my friend tailor mean. This is, he painted IT. Yeah, he's SAT down in his studio.

He painted IT. I love that. That's always going to be valuable. The problem, most people have never been encouraged to pursue their interest. They've been encouraged to get a job.

getting a safe job .

and probably don't even know what their interests are, how those interest can transfer. Ve been.

well, you are exactly so to actually when I was spending a lot of time on the silk bali, there was a lot of this talk. And they are talking about universal, you know, living way to basic way. And I was like, what you fuck talking now you're going to give everyone a hundred grand, right? They're like, well, the same thesis of A I is all human and ever done by machines.

I like, come on. So I was kind of the skeptic. You know, this is ten years ago, and now all of this ship has come true. They were already thinking about this back. And because they're also saying exactly what you said, which is, let's say, quantum computing happens.

And I at the same time, which is probably three years away, one quantum computer has enough computing power that all the existing computers in the world today, right? And then that so there's a whole new I can tech revolution where IT becomes even more rich people who won't IT and even more so they're like if unless you take care of those people, they're going to come because we're the nerds, they're going to come with the hammers where and the currency is going to be bullets, it's not going to be shipped. And so planned to the APP, you've got fuck. And you know people on one side here, the big brains on the other other side know and you're like or they are they already knew this. They are already thinking this because they're like we're gonna them off, but people are going to go crazy.

If you buy them, it's not necessary buy them off.

It's keep them alive OK.

Because people are not going to have any .

fuck in because afraid.

I don't think we should look at that way. I think there's got to be a concerted effort to educate people about the possibilities of their life on earth that they've been indoctrinated to think that they have to be a worker. How many these people are out there that are doing in many work, really wanted be a painter.

How many people that really wanted to be in a band? How many people there's something probably that most people wanted do. One thing the universal basic income will do is if you know you give everybody hundred grand a year, whether IT is, you're going to satisfy their they're not going to worry about rent, they're not going to worry about food.

So now maybe they can pursuit. The problem is people get fucking lazy when you give him free money. It's just in fact, maybe it's not everybody, but a lot of people. They just exist. They'll just play video games all day.

And you know, look, if we're going to a deal with a society where everything is run by A I and automated, that you're going to have to give people money because the extraordinary wealths can be generated by AI is going to make that not that difficult to do, especially we consider how much money we give all the countries. Already over the last couple years, we're given one hundred and what how many billion dollars to ukraine, it's more than its up to two hundred billion now. Yeah something crazy like, yeah that amount of money when you're dealing with A I when dealing with automation, just to keep people fed and housed like that's reasonable, but you're gonna have to figure out a way to give people purpose. Yeah, and that's gonna to be a revamping of the education system.

That's exactly. It's a revamping of the education system because you're saying, well, all of these, we this right expert, we were built to be workers. We were you're supposed to get universal education is supposed to just be enough so you can be a good worker and a good taxpayer and you get a job.

And then by the way, you get out of college and you you already have that, then you buy a consumer durable, you buy a fucking car, you buy a yeah the washing machine and that you you know, we will give everybody that, but we give you debt and then you buy a house and then you're in debt. Then you, anna, get out of debt, you die, right? And so you just work, work, work, work, work.

And by the way, you're exactly, you had to get a job. J, O, B, not if you. And just you go and you do IT you give you money in?

yeah. And then because.

not true, because all of this human endeavors. Now, how i'm gonna done by machines you like, okay, now what do you got? And and I agree a hundred percent, it's going to be something that we can even find them, which is, what do you really like to do?

Alright, what are you love doing? What do you? By the way, building a table is worth more than .

fuck in being a corporate executive well, that is if you enjoy IT exactly .

yeah if you have a actually enjoy and there's .

also this comparing thing, you know um I was a dinner the night. My friend who is friends with this billionaire, his friend is a billionaire, and his friend was comparing his wealth to friends of his that own multiple corporations. billion.

You miss the whole point. You miss the whole point of getting wild. You have fuck you.

Bn, and you not even say fuck you. You should be on a boat somewhere and you should be marland fishing. You know, you should be fucking line in the sun.

You should be doing things you enjoy doing. You should be taking that trip you always wanted to take. That's what you suppose be doing. That's supposed keeping up with other billionaire. So you're working sixty hours a day on at all just so you can fuck and get those stock numbers moving.

why? Well, the one in the smartest thing anyone ever told me about money was milo man. And he said, the life is like a shit sandwich. The more bread you have, the less shit you have to at this is a guy who the only due to ever lost money on insider trading, he was not but uh but but uh, it's true.

Like the one thing the one thing that you do notice when you're going a bit because people are fucked and nice to you, nice year, and when something you don't have money, not online, not line, no, but like and then and and then you realize I fuck like people I can be like or not nice to you, you know and general a lot a lot of times and you're like that as fucked and sucks and and like, yeah, when you get a bit a little success, whatever the people not fuck and nicer. And that's the one thing that that you know that I remarked upon in my life. The rest of its carpet, rest of its elbow but but but but people being nice and like you know not should not sucking yeah is that's pretty good that's .

nice and having a cushion so you don't have to worry about like I remember the first check. I've got a real check. I got a development deal from disney of all people when I was like, I was like twenty six. And IT was the first time ever had like a good chunk of of money, like six figures in the bank. And I felt weight different.

I felt weight lifted off like a physical feeling of, well, because every like my own life is like, how am I going to eat? How am going to pay my rent? How i'm going to do this? And then all this sudden, I don't have to worry about anymore.

And I was like, oh, I get IT now and I remember this revelation. Okay, now I just have to keep the filaments m going. Because once you have a good amount of money where you don't have to worry about money anymore, that you don't want to get ever get back to that desperation feeling, that's a terrible feeling, and that's the feeling most people are listened to.

This exist. That feeling of concern about your bills is the number one struggle in marriages. It's for everything.

for everything. Well, this is why we're getting bring IT up. I had the exact same moment of my life. I never had any money. And then i'll never forget that I was walking down the ramblas in barco ic, because I was living there trying to set up vice pain.

And I I went to machine, and I, and we've done some deal, and that was the first time I got paid any money, wasn't a lot of money, but he was same kind of deal, like six figure thing. And and I took out the money and I went. Like my life changed that that I still remember how I, how I smelled.

I still remember because my life change as the first time I did have twenty eight dollars, my k and I just want and like like my breathing and just everything like you said, like weight lives, weight lifts off you and that that and and humans don't like to go backwards but yeah, living in that sort of constant fear, that's the problem with money yeah and that's why there is a chance. And I was good, you brought that up actually, that like you can you can kind of take this anyway. You know, like you, humanity can take the next, let's say, twenty years anyway.

We want to take IT. And you can take IT to be like, let's fucked and learn from what we've learned and be positive and try to take this as a fucker thing where you humanity gets Better and we do this in the right way, rather than then just do a fucked in either reaction freak out like what the fuck could not like. I think i'm sure that you can look back at the time when, like social media was fuck fucking up kid's heads in your and say that was crazy.

do going like smoking.

we're going to look at the stock market go yet fucking completely manipulated by supercomputer, ten trillion dollar funds and the little guy gets fuck why would the fuck that we let that happen going to be all kinds of coming out of the pond moments where we go, hey, like we were doing IT wrong. Yeah but there's this big chaos is a latter. There's this big chaotic time right now when you're exact right and people getting anxious about IT number and you're like we got to use that as the time to say, hey, why don't we fuck and have an economy where there is a universal basic wage and or living wage and we take that to doing that where you do something that you like and and you you you're happy about because that ear job is probably going away.

I guarantee you IT will cause less crime. I think crime will dip substantially. I think they'll be less civil and rest people's needs to be mad IT.

It'll give everyone that feeling of O, I don't have to wear them my goals anymore. It's just finding purpose that's going to be the next thing. And the people that are really going to be fucked, the people that didn't find purpose already and then they were like forty.

And then that happens because they're going to be sad. And that's that's what i'm worried about. I'm worried about the people that are already sort of indoctrinate native to do a certain specific way living.

And i'll sudden their purpose, which was their job. You know, they worked in the factory and they're like, you know, john y's employee, the month john, you do in a fuck a great job. I really appreciate you.

That guy feels purpose he puts on a hard day's work. When he gets that paycheck, he knows he earned IT. That's who he is.

He's the number one guide the plant. He's the form and he's the guy of men. respect.

That's a real thing for human beings. We need a thing that makes us feel like we're we're progressing. It's a part of our DNA, our DNA.

The reason why we still alive, the reason why we survived, is because we solved problems. We figured out what's going on. We ve made ourselves useful.

And IT makes you useful to the tribe. IT makes makes you feel good. You have a sense of purpose.

That's the guy. That's the best hunter. He knows how to fuck plant vegetables. He knows how to make everybody had a job. And IT gave you a sense of purpose.

We're onna have to figure this out quick, because I think it's gonna be like the birth of a child. It's going to be like this, screaming, painful, be this thing fill anxiety. But IT is happening, whether like IT or not.

No, if we don't start educating children about the benefits of having a fulfilled life where you're doing something you actually enjoy and not telling them don't do that, it's too hard. Don't do that, it's risky. Thank god I didn't listen anybody, because my home, I would .

have not .

a thing I did. ever. Anybody told me to do not fighting. My parents try to stop me from fighting.

When I was in martial arts, when I try to do comedy, they were worried that, why are you? You did so well in martial arts? Why are you quitting and doing this new thing? And every fucking step of the way, when I started doing podcast, my friends like, what are you waste your time doing this for? IT was out, we start doing video podcast. People like, why you spending so much time doing video?

That's so stupid.

Nobody watches video. I was like, I don't care. I just want to do IT. Just do what you'd like to do, if you can.

But I just, for whatever reason, got lucky that I got into a pattern like that very early in life. Both my parents work, so there isn't a lot of guidance. So I found a thing that I liked, and I just went and did IT.

And you know they like why you waste your time like my mom and leave the house and was on my own. And so I got into a pattern of that early. But there are so many people that don't and so many people that get a job.

And then that jobs going to go away and it's to be replaced by a fuck computer. And if you're listening to this, and that happens due, don't become an alcoholic. Don't just give in.

Find something else, find purpose, find a there is sold many. I wish I had fifty lives to live sy multi eusden. I would have a bunch of different jobs. I've always wanted to do a bunch of different things, so many interesting things in this life.

but I think you're hunt, right. But I also think like, especially with kids, now is the time to start saying exactly that. Yes, like, listen you like I did what I wanted to do and the same thing everybody told me know, you know, everyone told you know and all I know which, by the way, you know, when I heard them saying, no, like when you're like, i'm going to get enough fighting no, you're not. I'm going to do comedy yes, right now i'm going to fuck in the cast and I can hear them saying, no, my brain.

Howard stern is a mock podcast, and he was my hero is like a guy who loved listening to him on the radio and hearing a mock podcast I was doing. I was like, and I hope you again.

The laugh of .

the Victoria is a good laugh, is a good one, is the best laugh.

But yeah, everyone said no to me. But so now I agree. You have to go to kids and say they look good.

Do whatever the fuck you want to do, you good. I do. Your passion about the whole thing that .

stimulate them with interesting things mean that when we're talking about how about this unexpected education on this? Um I realized that I IT wasn't, that I was not interested in things, or that I wasn't intelligent is that I wasn't stimulated and I was a very physical person when I was a kid, I had so much fucked and energy.

And when you're sitting in a class and you're a little puzzle like IT was like, I can't do this and if I lived with the wrong parents, and especially in a different time, I would have one hundred percent been medicated. But what IT was was that I was a different car. Okay, I wasn't a hond civic. You know, I was A A shall be must ying. I, I, I, I, I, I was, I needed to go.

I to go.

I gotto get stimulated by things. I need stuff that excites me. I can't just sit down and i'm not good at listening.

What is not? What school does IT got off .

the s IT doesn't just do that.

IT tells you do not go .

for IT IT tells you're a sa and but like, somebody had to be johna cash. Like there's we all celebrate these people that escape. Somebody had to be Jimmy hendricks.

Somebody had to be Richard prior. Like, obviously they were real. Like, so they did IT and everyone .

told them not to. This is like a reward for getting out of that fuck and criminal bullshit and mediocrity. And that's what we just got to be, the Smith rogan academy. Just say, look, don't do any of that ship .

yeah .

can do what you love and also find that that interest you and go do that because I didn't do that for a while like a fucking perforator.

You got to pursue IT like your life depends on a because IT actually does. That actually does. And you can get give jobs.

You could wait tables. You can drive uber. I drove limos.

I did construction. I did whatever I had to do. I delivered newspapers. I did whatever had to do to try to like, do a thing that and I didn't know that was onna make IT.

But I back then, when you're twenty one years old, you have no responsibility, lit E. S, no health insurance, no nothing. And you could just fuck and try, yeah, just try things. And if you don't do that, you're gonna be sad. And that's the reality of the world we live in. When people want to talk to the about the levels of depression in this country, what about the levels of purpose and do they go inside, and the the levels of how many people have learned to control their emotions, how many people have learned to get their health in order, how many people have learned how to meditate, how many people have learned how to think about things before you make a decision and try to give yourself advice subjectively?

How many people not over medicated or not medicated.

you not medicated at all. How many people have learned how to, like, apologize to your friends, apologize to your family if you made a mistake? Many people have learned to own up to when you were the wrong, when you were in the wrong, instead of just covering them up, pretending and arguing, and china and distorted things, just learn, learning, grow, like we all make mistakes.

We all. And if you are on the wrong path in life, and you're doing something you don't want to do, figure out a way to get the fuck out of that job. Actually, do IT don't talk about IT fuck and do IT.

Because if you don't and if you do IT, it's going to be so exciting. It's going to be terrifying. Oh my god, I hope you don't time.

You have to. You got to. If you don't, you're going to be sad. And that's just the reality of a lot of me or you're going to be angry and it's really you not have been angry at the things you think you're angry at yeah, you're angry at your existence.

Well, that's when I go back to this thing of you will talk meditation is when ever get angry or anxious, ever they look, you're living in the greatest fucking window of time ever, in the history of fucking time ever.

So when what are you waiting for? The Better window of time, right? Is not coming, right? And so when you put IT enough sort of grandiose perspective, you like, i'm going to enjoy the fucking and shit yeah out of today, because this is the best day in the fucking world ever.

is the best day.

but not only in in the world, in the history, the, but in the history of every other planet that we, that we, that we know about.

And part of what make so exciting is that we're almost blown apart.

That's the other .

problem that we should enjoy. If you're sitting at a restaurant having a nice stake in a glasses, one, you should enjoy the fact that, you know, we're not in rubble.

you should. That's a real thing. A little thing. That's a real thing. I feel like that every time I come back from somewhere, you know, that's one thing about reporting is you come back, you you really fuck and enjoy, you really enjoy .

life really is the promise I really is. I mean, clearly not for everybody, but also there's a possibility the opportunity awaits itself right here. IT really is the greatest country the world has ever known in the middle of all the bullsh we're going through. And all the chaos and all the potential wars that were involved in and wars were involved in, it's still the greatest place ever. The greatest time ever is just confusing.

It's also one of the only countries you realize. Guys like us like you have a .

kick to can yeah right?

The most country you don't have a kicker to, can you?

You got the wrong last name wrong.

X and systems, yeah, england, europe with aristocracy. Then you had everything. And if you weren't, you had nothing.

And if you want to get ahead, people get angry at you.

There's some stat like again going back to but there's some stat like eighty percent of the world's wealth is inherited and by twenty forty five it's gonna even high. Me like you're like, oh, fuckyou. For yet because we come from we made money or elon made money or popularity page made money, whatever. Those are the real rich guy based on and and but but the majority the world it's like, yeah, my parents had money one thousand years ago, so I have money today that's so crazy and .

and that's how you make jeffries.

That's how you make pocket yeah that's how you make lots .

of them are you make .

the and so so yeah, like you come here and like, i'm an immigrant and I came here fucking I was the ambassador for fuck like I get me fuck and shoes fuck and loves great fucking and city and fucking world and amazing and the canadians were like, because the canadian identity is like we're not american kind of and I was on polio n in new york. And like the gress goddam city, the and which IT is and then and then and then I moved li when my kids and was a pretty fucked. And I do ice .

to want to live in canada. I to love canada.

I love canal. Don't me wrong. I love canada.

Canis a great place. I thought about living in vancouver. I live in vancouver like shit at the first eight states. I always felt like .

a beautiful country and amazing people. There are amazing zing people.

I feel like canada has twenty percent last duse bags. That that is my feeling. When I to do shows up there, we would all talk about. We do a gig in toronto.

We do a gig montreal.

yeah, I love IT up. I love the people. They are friendly and a hard, working, peaceful, smart.

They're smart. They're educated. IT was always fun. I like, look IT up there. I just love the attitude to the place.

I met so many ool people in canada, but now the way trudel is running IT IT scares the shit out of me. And like you guys are sliding in the communism, you're sliding every day. They push a little bit further, a little bit further. And if you don't get rid of that guy, if you don't turn that thing around, you're fuck.

Yeah I look, i've seen a lot of things happened in canada where to me, its government shouldn't run things at all. Like if, if, if we can, uh, stay away from, what does that mean? IT means like universal health care.

So when I grew up, IT was good. You in any hospital, doctors are good, some of the best doctors in the world. And then, because they didn't manage IT correctly, I got too big.

I got to got like eighty sense of every dollar was going to managing IT rather than the doctor. So they left, they came down here. There's a big brain drain.

And now you can get a doctor. You have to sign up and away for three years, like in the UK or something. And IT just doesn't work as the government is too big. As you know, when you get the government involved, that becomes like a welfare problem. You're just paying all kinds of people to work on the thing that but no one's doing the actual thing that is supposed to work on right to help care.

Bureaucracy.

bureaucracy. So it's it's a problem. But I in my later stages in life, to get into this and to get into the american political system and and the bogus luni is this political cycle and this electoral cycle, and canada, what's happening in euro.

I really get this feeling. And maybe now we're going to get into IT on this. But when I was Younger and I was studying stuff and I was, I always feel like I would love to go back to being in college, because when I was in college, I just wants to get out.

I want to wanted to get out to make money and stuff. I just did everything to just get the fucker. And now, like, if I can just read books and talk to people and then write about that, i'd fuck.

And where do I sign up about? Yeah, I can just thinking about so I fucking would love to IT it's wrong timing when you you but anyway but I used to study how I would love philosophy, love politic when I first came down to amErica and I ve been study american politic. Baba clinton had was a consensus politician, reduce the size of government, took the largest deficit of all time, turn largest surplus of all time, and then push got in turn the largest surplus all time, largest deficit increase.

As no one said, bo, no one said anything. And you're like the whole fundamental principles of republican, democratic c. immigration. Before trumped IT was there's none more ragging to me was the the calling part of of of of G O P. Regan was the best uh uh uh president for immigration.

If you're immigration ver, he was super pro immigration and the democrats were against IT, they completely switch their platforms on IT. Yeah and you're like to me when you used to look in america, you say, okay to republic, it's two party system. They are always in power one that's like two party system I was always in power or you're fuck and the and you're like, is IT all much to do about nothing? Is that all a political like braden pop at theater? It's like, this is super fuck.

And important for you to watch over here to give you some sort of thinking that I have some agency that I can vote and it's going to fuck out about anything, whether what the fuck really changes on the big shit, like, what the fuck really changes on the economy, what the fuck really changes for I either? Should we're talking about, about school, about education, about big like the other, should that you talk about, which is fascinating, the great you do IT about big farmer, big food, big education, military industry. What the fuck really changes in that?

zero? yeah. The only thing that changes is if there's someone who really wants to push reform, really wants to change things.

And the real question is, like when you get a garlic, trump is promising all the stuff, how much can you actually get away with? How much can you actually change? What can you actually do? And will that change things for the very little?

Well, politically, amErica set up to do very, the american government is set up to do very little and do IT very slowly.

That will not a long time ago, we gave in to allowing money to enter into politics in this huge, influential way. And then we allowed pharmaceutical drug companies to advertise on television, all those things, but those were the big ones because as soon as you had control of the narrative, there is no way the media is going to spoil the relationship that they have with their biggest providers of revenue. They're not going to do that.

So whatever, whether it's the food companies or whether it's farmers, good drug companies, they're going to ignore as much as possible about the negatives of of these products. And then you have a propaganda state where you have these people that are literally hard to say, stories they know are not true, because this will benefit the people that are their advertisers. And that's where you get fucked in crazy.

It's also how that model explodes, which is fascinating. So that model becomes less relevant. And the Michael shelling burger and the matai ebs of the world. Then people started turning to them, the glen Green walls of the world. People say what these people are honest in their long generals know, but these people are .

interview a lot of people who tell a lot of things that that people don't get other places.

yes. And then crazy people too. That's fun.

Medians, I want to aliens.

I remember where was going on. where? Where was I going on? What you've done is they've created their own demise by giving IT to sats deal.

So by sucking sants cock and get all that money, you've now you're not a news organization anymore. You're propaganda outlet and everybody knows that you have the news, but that's what the news is. A thin layer bread on the ship.

But yes, but that's been see, this thing is that been since the fuck in beginning is nothing new like I forget who was but I was talking to somebody because what is news? What is no shame? You know who roy was? You know who royal was he? He started the writers to started newspaper to say, fuck you to his enemy.

blab. Bb, he just bought IT. He was this rich guy, but I can was actually when he based, he got in sense with me because was like, that's what he was. Some rich guy would start newspaper just to fuck you .

the right guy by the washing post well.

because on you cover the new york times. What is that you you can be on the cover, the new york times, eighteen days in a row and he was on thirteen. Yeah well, I mean, look.

you can use money, get a lot of things done.

But it's just i'm just know what i'm saying is there's always been money in politics and there's always been money in media. It's just now it's it's more obvious than ever before. And now you're right.

There are agenda. But so my whole thing is like i'm i'm again, but i'm i'm not only literally serious like I I believe in the game. I like the game. I like watching the game and that's why I say, like, I like, take a look like, okay, there's this whole fuck and thing going on over here where the status school doesn't change. And I think you and I like, look, that's what testify can change over there. That's the real power over there yeah this shit for me becomes and it's funny because this is like I don't i'm shown myself I don't know what the like the election is fifty, fifty, fifty four, fifty, fifty four, fifty.

It's pretty close like we're on season .

and fifty three and that's why you have to have the craziness. You have to have two assassination attempts. You have to have plug and bite. And by the way, biden has to be kicked out middleman and we're going to get so like you're like O, C. And fifty three, the phone is jump in the shark, but the shark by ones .

that by were in a mag hat like this. But that's like.

look, can I use everything?

Because jane brought something, you didn't bring that up. Somebody else brought up, Shawn brought up to me. Was there some sort of a physical altercation, which tween jill biden people and como harses people reports about .

the stuff on twitter? But I did just like twitter, one show, pictures or quotes, just a twitter stuff.

a good twitter count, a few people I follow where I know their full shit because I just want .

to see nonsense. A lot of the Michelle .

ama has.

Yeah, there's so many of so many people, but I love, I love means and you want to talk with creativity and art like some of them are so fucking good and so artistically and so quick like how the fuck that they fuck can do that one like I fuck and love IT yeah and it's .

so inappropriate and that's what's fun about this because you never kind of like.

yeah I yeah but i'm like here I said this .

is jane so he knows what we're talking about .

yeah just like so I just but like it's like there's so many of them now and so anyway, that's like I was during during a during a going go well.

this guy is pretty legit a .

per White house official which how .

do you say his name? Posc, how do you say his name? Post A C, C, A, but this guy is pretty legit. But there was a physical education we jail and comalong staffers in the White house have to jose press room last week began with accusation the bindings where undermining commons come deliberately provide house official. But what does seem like he's doing that like when he called that press conference, he hadn't called any press conference so he decides to call a press conference. The middle national emerges is out yeah and he's out and never nobody still the president present he wearing the magaha like, look, there's no fucking way they're happy they got kicked out and jail did not want him to step down SHE started taking cabinet meetings like .

ah who would like to do?

Can I do IT let me let let me do IT i'm not like to either. Let me just sit in and find out what's going on. All of these people, what are you talking about? How are you running a cabinet meeting?

You just marry to the guys, the president. But that's the whole thing too, because he said, because i've said in that room, like you can go and you can sit room.

he isn't there ah he but I don't think .

he was running the cabinet meeting because that's her yeah that's what people say because is a picture of her was .

not running the fuck in a great day. This is fun. It's fun. If she's running, I hope she's running, I hope she's boss pitch ked. Think the .

thing about .

IT actually.

if you want to look at like the greatest time with the republican party when when reagan was a president, he was his cabinet. His cabinet was exceptional. And because like he, he had dementia, but his cabinet, not initially did not initially, but later on.

But his cabinet was running america. He was fung great. So, you know, the cabinet should not.

I'd rather have the cabinet run something of professionals, people who are like, designed to do that, rather than one fucked on person is gonna. Yes, no, yes. yeah. That's great. That the fucking queen of england, and they are supposed to be the queen of england.

yeah. Do you think his dementia was convenient?

Who's reagans?

I was wonder if he he was doing like a Jimmy.

the chain type thing no, I look.

do you like here's Jimmy tingle was amazing medium here. There's great bit way back in one thousand nine hundred and eight when ragging was trouble for selling weapons to iran and he said, I can't recall yeah and he goes to me a favor, mr. President here ever sell in arms to people hate us.

Shut IT down. It's pretty good.

Like he could make a note, put IT on your refrigerator. Yeah.

I never, I literally never even thought of that that I would do that.

yeah. Said he couldn't remember anything. That's a good move. A good who could tell you what you remember things you could play? Tom, yeah.

that's what Jimmy the change did. I don't remember .

do you story Jimmy 的 chm jana was a mobile leader， and he would walk around with a bathrobe and slippers and just mumbled to himself, and he would walk down the street with this couple. Yes, and the FBI knew this. And so what they did was they put up these little microphones on all the hub caps so that they could record his conversation as he walked on the street. So as he was walking on the street, they were recording everything.

wow.

I love you like, I love shit like that. Like when israel intercepts the pages of hezbollah blows everybody's balls off, that is, look, it's terrible. Those people died, but that seems like they weren't good people. But at the bottom line is you not fuck in.

genius? That is, stop the actual shipment, right, to figure out that they use this type of analogue hager stopped the shipment, put and then get them to all at the same time, eight months.

and make sure that no one's on .

the airplane was an amazing book called rise up and .

kill first i've read that yeah.

it's a great book. It's about this. Yeah, like we can win a war so we're going to assassinate .

our way to save yeah .

yeah it's all about this year is liking fantastic.

It's crazy when find out to doing, I like god damn well, you gone damn genius and as you imagine being in them and realizing like this is how deeply .

israel invested your that's to be a well.

just recently .

they got the head of and then the second head and then the third had within like three or four days of each other.

And then they are trying .

to get new guys. And like.

I know it's the whole thing is it's very, very fascinated. People that invented peg is they are invented that the ability just date now taxis to all they have was number. Yeah.

that's true. I have I actually talked to one of the guys who own that company. If you want to hack for peg is I don't know if it's still is, turn your phone off repeatedly and then know because every time you turn in your phone off that to replace the begin in, no, yes, does that well, that was from the dude.

I I would tell that people fucking .

idio I got from .

the owner that's like you could use find your phone.

I mean.

there's i'm sure there's probably some hacks, but eric prints has a new phone called the unplug phone that's designed by the guy created pegi, apparently. And it's like this untracked able phone that kind of constantly.

But I I don't think I think you are .

first of all, with quantum computing and quantum computing becomes ambitious, there's going to be no more passwords. That's all goon folks. IT does not curate. It's out the window. Oh.

all you're thought.

everything everyone's thought and we're not prepared for that one hundred percent. No, it's going to be real weird. Heavy said like like what money is today essentially is numbers is just once in in zeros.

Yes, we know in the thing that you see what the internet is. As technology increases, people get more, more access to to information to ones and zeroes to data. Ah the bottle is going to be money yeah and eventually that's going to break through. And then what do you own and who owns what .

and where is IT stored and what is IT? It's all digital. And soon, very soon, there be no digital encryption.

There be no digital safety at all everything. By the way, you're time about money, every fuck. And so I want the most fascinating guys I think you talked to.

I went to russia and I hung out with them at the metropolis is funny because it's the whole is famously, every room was bugged because was the only place they let fownes stay in moscow. And so we're at the metropolis. We've got into surveilLance.

And but he opened my phone, and like, he was like, as we were having energy, just showing me like how they can turn on the phone, how can they do? And how do I take out this part and take out this camera and do this? And just like as he was talking about overall government's surveilLance of everybody, which is, by the way, I don't think a lot of people know what he did.

He he said, look, the the american government is illegally, illegally spying on its own people OK and and by the way, hadn't told him illegally. They weren't allowed to the mafia guys. They had to get warrants from judges and shit to fucking to bug those cars.

Now they don't have to get shit. They don't shit. They just say they have fuck complaints with ny catchers flying around. They're picking up right now or .

one hundred percent every time have a conversation, every text I said, even the fucked up .

ones I go, I say so not only your money, but like your whole search history, whatever, in your fucking computer. I tell my kids, I tell my kids, like your phone is your whole human archive. And at some point someone can take that thing and say, this is, you know, evidence, or this is this this sort like you you have to make sure that your phone is like you have to always be thinking because not only that.

if you're in some sort of a trial, all that chip becomes public record. Yeah, that's what it's really weird like there's two different people that were involved in trials where my text messages to them became public and get printed in stories. One was also change.

The other was elon mosque. It's very strange that they just have access to your text messages. Yeah for what reason? Because i'm talking to some guy that I know like what you would like the fact the Alexis thing, they wanted every text message he and I had ever exchanged.

fuck you, fuck you. So we got IT .

down to whether or not he talked to be about Sandy hook.

That's another thing. There has to be taught reform. Anyone can see anybody for anything and not have to pay their lawyer in. The lawyer can take fifty percent of the first doring and it's just it's it's I don't know. So there something has to change her because they're just in there suing people.

They can yeah that's it's a sport for people and it's a way to make a living. I mean, it's like gold digging, viable strategy. You know shapers just a lot of there's a lot of definitely lot that reform that would be good thing.

So we got to reform. We got education.

But I think we're talking about early with quantum computing and A I think we're all in real trouble yeah because I think this society is going to be completely imagined and IT probably will lean towards some sort of a more socialist existence because of necessity, because of this money thing because I just really don't know how you're going to accumulate real wealth. Um if everything becomes digital, I think if everything becomes digital, A I quantum comp, we're to have real chaos with.

The problem with quantum is is gonna okay? There's a whole .

new so when when the .

the sort of west or the north of the rich countries is whenever leave everyone else behind monetarily is when you the last twenty years of of of digital expansion and we just make trillion dollar companies. And they're over here and we make all that money in that economic any go to like two thirds of the world and that has even penetrated yet, right? It's like so quantum computing is that on steroid?

Because it's like, oh, there's going to be a whole new economy because all the other computers are fucking obbo lute, all the security obvious ly, there's a whole new economy being generated. Who's you going to be generated by the ultra smart, ultra earlier adopters super like you fuck and rich people who can add the quantum babb a and everybody just going, even father fucking in that way. Go on.

there's no more fucking and fish, right? And if you're just like you writing to get universal basic income raised up one hundred and twenty five thousand nois here, that's what we're going to be dealing with. People are looking for incremental and in their life where they don't have any other way to make money. There's like there's stuck on the doll and we could have an entire class of society that's just stuck on the door forever.

which gets larger and .

larger yeah which gets larger, larger, especially as technology increases to the point where almost all jobs are like hollywood is in deep shit. They are in real, real, real that the strike .

was about because i'm doing IT with news myself. You can get like so when you do news, you get like you have new services, right? So you get a new service, you get a wire comes in, go. Factors have been somebody fucking and blow up the car and you have a news team.

So you send out shooters and you send out a producer and talking, hey, I and then he comes back, and I would say news should be called odds, because you just there three days ago, that what happened by me, right, when A I IT comes in right away, this just happened in gaza. You can have video. You can have, you can say, I want walter crc and black away reading me my news from reuters, right?

You can be Peter janning circa blown out color from vietnam. A could be ninety zero could be I want prove the test. Fuck russian, soviet like you can pick your own newcaster reading you verified news right right away before anybody else, before fox, before fuck and emotion before and for anybody see anybody and you like, why would you do that? right? So of course, but if you take that a step further, everyone can become their own, you know, movie director, because you can just plug in your story, you can talk about art. You can plug in your story, make a movie, you will.

You do IT through prompts, and they do IT almost instantaneous. That's what gonna so bizarre. And then the real problem, what that is, if A I is controlling the news, like who's controlling A I like what what control are we going to get to appoint? Say, no, we're gna have to let sentient A I control information. Then we find out that senta I is withholding information from us because IT doesn't. We're emotionally ally stable enough process in which we probably earn you know if there's some sort of a civil term oil that could .

happen because some information gets really if you were A I now and we're looking to yo for .

ah what are you up to no .

i'm not only money saying like you have a news, like you have a service comes in the still people but you have new service and then A I can make the images or can make the video whatever but I mean, look, when you look at media, you're like, oh, that's why the strike up because they know you everyone can can make their own fucker movie, everyone can make their own TV show everyone and that will be the thing. You will be like individualism creators. It's not going to be big studio anymore yeah and and and but that's just media like it's gonna every fucking in business and the basis of there were both apologies for the for the industrial revolution as was reMarks but they were like, yeah you know the the blueberry pickers will have to move to the cities and become iron mongers and and you know that's what happened and they like, well, blueberry pickers can't like forge iron and they will a generation will die and then they'll figured out and so that that was the problem and and you know that's going to be the problem that I is like there will be the thing of, like people moving into building tables are making art or doing whatever, but there's gonna. This is why I think our kids are maybe OK.

But like when you said what I worry about, the forty old saying there who bought at all, went to high school, went to college and all the shit got to fuck in job or sitting there, you know, trying to climb the later and all going to go away, going to away and in right become like it's probably the biggest reading thing great ever but like, yeah has to be okay, like just pay that fucking in person, right, so that they don't lose their fuck and house. Because if you start losing your house, right, if you Smith and record IT and start losing your house, is my long when the thing going to have to be some sort of weird social thing about IT. Because if you just let them fuck and diff are going to die off, you're going to say.

yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the fear. The fear is rebellion. And I don't think that's necessary.

I think clearly, there's something happening to the human species that's technology driven, and we're moving into a completely new wave existing. And it's going to be a tumultuous journey. The transformation, the process, it's gonna scary.

It's going to be very fuck and strange because it's going to be unprecedented in its impact, in the speed of its impact. You have a speeds going to be a, you know, the internet to a couple decades before we figured out how fucked up IT is. You know, IT came around in the nineteen ninety people started using IT know kind everywhere you've got mail. And then two thousand, you started get fucked up videos and craziness and then a long come social media and everybodys like, oh my god, everyone's connected and everyone is addicted and then you're getting all this negativity because that's what attracts views.

So your algorithm is information. Some of IT I love because it's like, wow yeah, I didn't know that and you find out it's true so you like that's really yeah and then a lot of if you like what the and away, a lot of people have an problems. C, P, body are are, are open, saying you're media is the free syrian army as of the iranian, as are we as we we are .

fucking with that guarantee. There's some sort of government agency that's involved with like just distributing narratives and and arguing against certain things. Also.

if you go to russia, they're like, yeah, you the rubble. We are trying to fuck with you. Yeah we are definitely trying to fuck. And you're like, okay, so if you're openly trying to fuck, but way, can you imagine if the chinese communist party is spreading propaganda that there's twenty eight dollar max, then what are they going to do when they have context computing or well.

once they have quantum computing or fuck .

find it's a race between .

us because as soon as someone has that with A I, the whole financial institutions crumble, we're going to be in a giant mass. And I don't understand how they could ever go out a way to stop that. Yeah, I just don't. I see as technology scales up, it's just gonna have more power and more access and the innovation is going to so fast to be too late.

Member, when we were grown up.

there is a big thing about like .

how you aapt technology that takes you like ten years to adopt that. What was that cause? I was there was a term for IT was a big deal in eighties and nineties about a culture lag tech leg. And you remember this now, I was a big IT was a big concept when I was .

going up anyway.

How ety to adapt a technology and IT was a big deal. And culture leg something like, and there's good like the at the speed with which quantum is going to change. Quantum, sorry, quantum married with the eye, right? The speed with which IT changes everything is gonna be like, I mean, I don't think we are even gonna able to sort of process that change. You know.

I think it's going to happen so quick. And I I have the crazy thought about IT that just keeps property in my head is that I think that we are creating a .

new life form. That's what I really so sort.

but I think that's what the universe does. I think that's probably with all all these alien and countries are I don't think they're biological anymore. I think life gets to a certain point where IT IT gets so smart that IT creates a new version of itself that's superior, either emerges with IT, I think that's the aliens or I think there are us us in the future. I think there's parallel. This is the .

mathematical thing, right? Yeah it's more mathematically implausible than it's us in the future. Then we evolved this way.

Well, it's also probably other civilizations from other places that are far more advanced to figure out a way to get here. And there might be into dimensional travelers, which sounds ridiculous until you talk to actual physicist that can tell you .

it's provable dark matter.

Ark, ten or eleven even know what that is. Well, that just a lack of an understanding of what the fuck is going.

I love, I love that if you have twitter Wilson, who's like the fuck in genius, genius, genius of all, genius physicist, is Young kid, built a functioning fusion reactor in his reno garage when he was thirteen years old.

Meo coco is something like that.

This guy is, is next pocket .

level made particle super.

He refined his own yellow at. He staked claims and got uranium and turn IT into yellow k.

that, ah yeah, how was this kid?

Now he is, but he was thirteen. So he was thirteen. The took him. I've been there.

I've been that is i've been super nerd.

He's so amazing. He's but like whenever you want to talk about anything, uh has to do with physics. He's the guy. And but what I what I love about IT is like, I think he was part of the team I want get anybody I think was part of the team he knew about anyway.

He explained that to me, the guys improve, you know, with the fuck and most advanced telescope they're like, yeah, they're like, the planets are all here, right? And they should be here. They're not in the right place and somebody had to go, uh, the man is wrong.

I I like to believe that him, but maybe as somebody said, the math is wrong and they're like the man is wrong. That's all of the man. That's like physics is wrong.

Yeah, physics is wrong. So like. Because there's too much gravity to keep all the planets in play. They should be fuck and fly and off.

And so like, okay, ninety percent of the universe we can see it's dark matter, dark energy and and there's now there these things and deep in the coal mines and they are like these bars of some gas which they can see their weekly interacting molecular particles MIPS and they um have to be this like now the fifth dimension, which IT is now leading to. There's infinite fuckyou, universal finite possibilities and input. So you're not creates because physics is now saying all of this shit is fuck probable. No, you so that's one thing. Two is when I was talking to a very smart person, i'm going true.

But they're like, look, interStellar travel isn't going to be you and I go on a fucking in space ship, right? It's going to be there's you download your brain into a computer, IT goes by via laser into a another thing is going to three d printer of a human that resemble you you or might not resemble you and IT goes and you download and that's how you go vast business in space and you're like maybe so, but if you're doing that in the maybe if they're i'm not saying that, that's IT, that's well. But if IT does happen, then that makes sense that you got this these mixes. If you're downloading your brain into a computer, then it's possible that brain gets mixed up with the AI.

What does that even mean? What is the thing is like, what is your brain? And is the soul a real thing? Because I tend to think the souls a real thing. I think there is some sort of a life force that inside of you, it's not just your heart beating. I think there's a thing inside of people.

And I think you recognize that when you're round people, and I think it's one of the most unique aspects of being a conscious creature, is that we think of us we think ourselves as individuals, but we're really connected to some great well of soul. Yeah, there's some thing that's going on. We're all in this together in some bizarre way. That's for some reason very difficult for us to recognize in Normal regular life is hard like you get these moments when you feel IT, whether it's a psychiatric experience and near death experience, a profound love feeling and yeah the birth of a child. There's moments in life where you feel like everything is connected like you you see like through the curtains yeah and you get a chance is so much bigger than us or create .

bigger than everything when something just comes like where the fuck that come from.

right? It's the yeah in it's in the space around you somehow and other like there's that's the concept of like consciousness being like what you're actually is tuning in to what's out there. It's not local like your conscious. This is not this local thing. Your brain with the local thing is just an antenna. You and it's it's distributing this conscious ness, the unique biology and unique life experiences and where you live and who your friends with and what you interact with on a daily basis, what kind energy get in, what of energy put out, and it's all somehow another bizarre connected to the way the whole universe works. That at all works together is one unique.

gigantic system here. Religion, philosophy, also your psychology IT always like others. One thing out there, yeah, and you're like, what the fuck IT is and that's arg gue. And that's what IT comes down to, is like consciousness. And as you get older and more moral and realizing we don't have that much more time, that's the kind of that's what I said is stupid. Think that when you're nineteen to study, when you get older and you're feeling more model and your brains open to you're like, what the fuck are we doing here?

What's IT all about you know that's the crazy theory that um came from the bob lazar stuff, the crazy st know the bob ZARA stuff that the guy was working the back engineering UFO for the government.

the one hundred and eighty i've been waiting the whole fucking into.

He told the same story, this guys told the same story for thirty plus years, the same story. He was an engineer. He worked at those almost labs and um then he left there and they hired him to do propulsion work right and they brought him in and they showed him this thing that had an american flag on IT and he was like, h he had an american flag sticker on IT.

He was like, oh, there are hours. That's why everybody seen these things. This is like some top secret thing that we're working on and slowly but surely and again, this is not fact.

This is just his story, right? Slowly but surely over time of he's brought and analysis tells how works he realized, like this is non us. It's too small.

The ship was made for three football inhabitants. Everything looked like IT was three printed. There was no themes, there was no bolts, the whole thing had no, there was no electronics at, somehow another was connected to the minds of the pilots.

And IT had some sort of a reactor that had a stable form of element one fifteen, which was just theoretical at the time. IT wasn't even proved until they proved IT with a particle collider, and like to two thousands. So this guy was telling the story about how they have this element, this element with radiation, and that makes this gravity propulsion device. And but so one of the things that he said was that they had a very thick book that was all information about religion, and that this was one of the things that they had got from these alien inhabitants, that we are vessels, that they look at us as containers for souls.

That's that's a little that .

but but also like if just think about this, that sounds crazy. There were vessels. So but imagine if the life force of a soul is a real thing that limited to biological organisms.

But then you create life that is not biological, and you create this thing that is essential life force that's digital, completely digital. But IT doesn't have a life force. IT doesn't have sold to IT. Now imagine you bridge the gap with hybrid. So you have a thing that is part a lie, partly biological organism and part interconnected. And IT needs to be, if IT wants to continue to have creativity and desire and needs, and IT actually has a test that he wants to accomplish, and that this has to be connected somehow know the biology, and that if you want biology, you have to have soul.

It's interesting because I speaking your kids, I believe that humanity is a grand evolutionary experiment because a lot of the things that happen to you are weird, like when you have a kid, you change. And when men have kids, they change. When women have kids exchange, kids change. Like all these things up and it's just like this thing of like we have to do IT, we have to do IT and and IT puts you on a path and you're like, R V, A grand evolutionary experiment. And if so, why?

Well, if this is what the universe does when he creates a period beings is kind of make sense that we have all the attributes that we have that makes sense, that we're territorial and makes sense we fight over resources and makes sense, that we're competitive and IT makes sense that we're inquisitive and that we constantly search for innovation. We want the newest, best stuff all the time we have throughout human history.

We've always aspire to have the best plows, the best trucks, the best is the best that we always want Better and and we always working on these things. Yeah, what does that lead to? That leads to artificial intelligence.

It's almost like that's what we're doing. We're making this cocoon and the butterflies is going to come out of the cocoon. And we don't even know why we're making IT.

We're just broken, toiling along doing our thing. IT also connects to materialism, because one thing that materialism does is IT. IT encourages innovation, encourages constant purchasing of goods. If the phones that we have right now are perfect, and we never have to get a new phone, all of this repair them IT would just be repair shops everywhere. You would need a new phone.

There would be no .

need for innovation. Yeah, yeah. right. But what light bulbs were Better? They used to be Better because they burn out.

They never burn out. yeah. But then they came out with the L. D. Lie bubs. And like, specially, even Better.

because I like the BBS cool, I like the in the gino light. Bubs never burned out.

They just have to make .

the film is bigger.

Or just like, now make a the fuck those people make you buy another light yeah.

I I going to burn .

the light pop, yeah and then they burned, get black, the bottom, like ship light.

Pob.

but if phones were even before satisfied, phones are so good, why do we need new phones? But we do. All the iphone .

sixteen s coming out over.

Samsung has twenty five alter. Twenty five had a Better zone and he just fucked and keep. That is just a Normal thing that we do.

We do with computers, we do with everything we do with cars. And I think least the but out the window, it's all exponential anyways. So is all this stuff gets popped out soon as we give birth to that? A, I, D, so I cut you off.

and I shouldn't have, because I was wanting you talk to more people who are more connected about aliens than anybody else. So I wanted to sort of mind that a little bit. So, so, so, so he is three foot high aliens who have we have their technology in area of fifty four.

supposed every fifty one, supposedly s for every fifty one s force where we were sight for as where we worked. I don't know, I know, I know how much of its pull shit. I think some of its bullshit, right? So whatever IT is, you have to say some of its bulls shit that IT seems like the united states government is spending an inordinate amount of time studying these things.

There seems like there's a tone of whistle blowers. There's a ton of programs that most of us did not know about. So why do these programs exist? So IT is either, uh, top secret drone program that is a super sophisticated propulsion sion system that's far beyond anything that we're aware of today.

That's probably true as well. But also the universe is filled with stars, the universes filled with planets. The odds that none of them have life are very low. There's firm's paradox, like where are they? Well, they probably don't want us to know too much about what they are because they want us .

to figure out away our brains.

but also get to the next level. Get to the next level. P, T, you know, just flying and give people death .

race like star truck. You you can change their evolution.

I would imagine the correct, the correct path is to let people evolve, let people make these mistakes figured out, have revolutions, have elections, have innovation, have desire.

Also, if they come, we think there's the god Angels.

What's exactly? That's the problem, too. And then also, I think this probably an interdependent onal aspect to IT is probably some things aren't even real, you're saying, but they are real somewhere else and you have a window to them.

There's probably bizarre a states of consciousness where the a certain amount of psychiatric chemicals are released by your brain in a certain level of anxiety, in a certain environment and circumstances, you have access to a frequency that's not Normally available to you. And I think some people are having these kind of experiences. They're calling them aliens. I but I I do think there's something going on with crafts.

And the thing about these crafts as they existed way before, there's any reasonable assumption that people like technology that could do those things like the kantha onal sightings from the one thousand and fifteen of the best example, something that was moving far faster than anything that we had silent, looked like a saucer skipping over the sky. They saw like a bunch of them flying around. These guys are fighter jet pilots.

They don't have a history of making up things or not liars. And there's a ton of those sightings here. And those sightings go way back.

They go way back. And it's probably some of the stories in the bible. And the bug about gia is there's a bunch of stories about flying things and flying Cherry ots and wars in the sky.

There's some child shit. And you got to imagine that if this is a long, slow process that every intelligent being goes through in the universe, this is just like we look out. We see all these different planets are in the gold lock zone.

So we know that the kind of life that we have can can exist in these planets. How many of them have people or things, or some form of superintelligent organism? Probably infinite numbers, probably infinite numbers. And they probably visit emerging civilizations. IT just makes sense, just like we would, just like we would visit a stone age culture and watch them from a far, if we found some lost tribe in siberia fucking the island of india, north sense of island. Yeah, there's times of examples of how we behave in those situations and were retarded.

You imagine something that far more advanced in us that would be much more sophisticated in its approach, probably would occasionally abduct people and study their biology, probably does have a way to array memories, probably does leave people with, like, significant trauma and confusion as to how this experience is real. What, how do you put in the context of a Normal day to day life? How can I never happens again? Yeah, you're just sitting home like this happen again.

And then the rest of life you like freaked out. The walls are going melt in spaceship again. If that is real, like who fuck knows? And those those people imagine being in one of those poor people that does get abducted by a liens.

And everybody thinks you're an idiot, everybody thinks you're a liar, everybody thinks you a fool. How mike loss is mine. Things got abducted by aliens means an, I really did.

Well, that's going to be a problem when people finally find out you're going to be like hold on a second.

Now it's going to be a real problem. And I think it's a slow trickle. So I think that that's what we're experiencing. And I think this is Normal.

I think there is like deep denial in thousand nine hundred and sixties, and there's also Operation blue book, which is a concerted effort to dismiss all the sightings as illegitimate. And swamp gas mean jin hini could run that program. eventually.

When he left, the program became a huge UFO believer and then completely changes tone and explained how he was told to debug everything. But there was a bunch of things that he couldn't debug. I think the numbers, like ninety, ten, ninety percent of the things you could, you all that that savena ten percent, there's no fucking way, right? This is like, whatever this says is this physical evidence.

There's a much of shit. Something happened and he was a believer before he died. A big believe, and a proponent would talk about ufos openly.

And I think there's too many of those guys for IT all the bullshit. There's too many people for IT all to be bullshit, but some of IT is bullshit and some of IT is ours. I think some of IT is, and I think some of them might be back engineered. I think some of the bobbles, our stuff might be legitimate like they they found things, whether these things are left behind for us to discover, whether they made some sort of a deal, right? But I think I think there's intelligent life other than human beings that interact with us.

Go that's right. Ah look, it's interesting. My old thing is I don't know, but it's interesting. And and why not like look into IT and why not read about IT and why not I mean, people like, well, everyone, this is the other thing, not just with this, with everything, everyone so dismissive about everything.

Now I know the year of fuck can win if you yeah if you believe in that shader, if you read about IT or if you want to look at to and I have questions, right? I want ask questions. why? Why is that bad? Ask questions.

Why can I talk about? Why can I think about, by the way, people freak out to we're talking and you're like why you are two guys shopping IT up like honor front porches and and be like, look, let's ask questions. You're an interesting guy.

You meet a lot of interesting people. So you are well informed. Well informed.

I'd say Better than three, ninety percent, ninety nine percent people. Okay, let's talk about IT. That's interesting.

Yes, that is interesting. I think so. Yeah, obviously a lot of people agree.

It's just you're always going to have people complaining. You just can't listen. Yeah, that's the thing. It's like if you live your life by the wim of people that are willing to complain openly about almost anything, you're going to live a terrible life.

You and these kind of things, if they are not fascinating to you, that's fine, but that's you. But I don't know how you could not be fascinated by congressional disclosures, whistle blowers talking about programs that are beyond oversight, that are retrieving crash uf hos and back engineering them. And we've been doing this for decades because if they are telling the truth, either this is a spectacular lie or they are telling the truth you, and if they telling the truth, how fuck you? You're not interested.

How are you not interested? What I have to go another level is the problem that I have is like, okay, we're interested in big farmer. We're interested in big food.

We're interested in all. We're interested in military industry. We're interested on the but if you start talking about aliens or if you start talking about this, if you start talking about multi dimensional, whatever.

there's way more people that are even in new york times, in two thousand and seven, they posted legitimate. If you wanted start a call, you could probably do a really good job.

You probably a lot of people when you call. So really, you do pretty easy to do.

right, right? Because a lot of people are global and stupid. It's easy to get people to do things. It's easy to get people amad.

It's easy to get people that think that Donald trump is hitler and easy get people think that Donald b is jesus. It's like there's lot of opinions out there and that's fine. It's part of the fun of life, but and morons and their stupid opinions is also flavor. It's a little bit of flavor in the soup of life.

There you go. sam. Pepper.

yeah. And sometimes more on learned.

you saw pepper. any? Yg, I wanted. I saw that on you. What was the molecule?

We still can figure out exact what that is. So with this is is quantum entangled photon ah and the image that you're seeing in this quantum entangled photon is a year in year exsel le. But we're trying to figure out and this is work it's like in the weed scientifically, is that what that looks like? Or did you make IT look like that to represent these quantum entangled photon? But the shape is arbitral.

If you chose a shape to get these quantum entangled photon to exist, I don't know how you would do that. I know I don't know this. I don't understand the way they're recording IT.

I understand the technology behind. I don't and the science, but have scientists have used first of its kind technique to visualize to entangled light particles in real time, making them appear as a stunning quantum in. So we don't .

know if that's how IT looks, if the the scientists made a look at that way. Again.

i'm reading this. I don't know what to tell you. A reconstruction of a how graphic image of two entangled photons the new method called by photo digital holography uses an ultra high precision camera and can be used to massive vely speed up the future quantum measurements. So, so this is the the way it's word and go back to the way to be insane.

Ely, cool.

If the word is just weird, it's a first of its kind techne to visualize to entangled light particles in real time. But this is the part that gets me making them appear as a stunning quantum exam. So what are you saying? Not clear. Yeah.

that would be fucking cool. That was true.

Yeah, would be super cool. Was true. But I think .

they made something this so that they would know if IT work we're giving as long as we .

see this at the end result. Too stupid for this conversation, but just the fact that you that we know that quantum entangle particles are real, just the fact that we know this spooky action of the distance, and einstein talked about the fact that we know that quantum particles can exist in a state of motion, and still at the same time, that could be superposition.

Like, what do you think they, they, they go in and out of existence? It's measurable. Yeah we don't know where they go. We don't know what's happening. It's magic or magic.

And in the fact atoms are like most, an empty space or what does that even mean? Yeah, what do you talking about? What does that mean? How do they connect IT just the nature of existence itself is magical.

When so I I went out to potato Wilson and he was picking up fucked in yellow like uranium and turn yellow, and he was just speaking to me, like to talk about someone who's interesting. And he is like, well, I mean, we all know that like uranium is is like stars, you know, parts of stars that exploded, like hit the earth because I fruit and so we're just taking a star that landed on earth. We're taking a piece of IT and then we're releasing its power. And i'm like, I didn't know that things like speak like everybody knows that and i'm like, waited in uranium is like an x star that blow up, that landed on earth and you can take .

IT and that's how .

you do and he's like.

yeah, well.

we are that we are that yeah, uranium is like this sort of the like, they are concentrated, you know and you're like, oh, you're making but that the a fusion actors making a star, you're making a star out of a star.

Yeah, you taking start and turning into a star.

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how smart people, people are smart, pretty amazing. And you need that in order of power quantum computing. By the way, you don't need multiple nuclear reactors to power quantum computing.

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its bananas, bananas mean, think there are so many different kinds of people, because people that wholly obsessed .

in pursuing that guys, I guess .

we will talk about IT yeah.

exactly. Know what they talk. I so fast.

And by the people that study just itself because you're constantly dealing with new data like this James wead telescope thing is like thrown everything into a zz, yeah, you know, though there is new red spots that were there, the formation of the university, don't know what the fuck they are and they went away yeah like, what is that is a good house, jammy, because it's one of those ones where you like, you read IT and you like, what does that even mean? What what are you saying? Like, what is this?

Yeah that's why I love to interview people who are much marter than me because again, I only understand half what they are saying. But but IT is, I mean, a because we think we know we're talking about, especially like scientists and physicists and and then something will happen. This was all.

this is on live science. James testa found hundreds of little red dogs in the ancient. We still don't know what they are. Yeah, small galaxy is that either crame with stars or they host gigantic black holes. The data strong omers have collected continues to puzzle them and then there's the data where they're finding galaxies that were formed too quickly. Yeah so throwing into like starting to consider the possibility that the universe is far older than they thought was.

it's amazing. I love, I love that I ve.

and it's probably filled with life just like us this probably people do in stupid shit all over the universe.

Can you imagine that if they fuck and finally find out, and they went, yeah, like egypt, what are you team?

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me and I love them, which to do after rain my .

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that's what what? That's a courter seps mushroom. It's great for oxygen utilization. Yeah that is legit. And do you don't have to just buy from us from buy from on and go get corner of mushrooms, super get endurance supplement .

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no. I this is just fun, gives me a little extra energy, just a little naked. We makes the brain fire.

Yeah, for the brain. It's really good for your brain. Yeah, that actually is a terrible for your long.

Yes, you moke yeah.

I provide the best way to provide a patch, but that just feels weird.

Walk around, good for the brain.

But well, I know, guys, you do that when they work, they put a nit patch on. Nicky is a legit neutrophils as well. You naked actually like positive ly, affects cogan function and .

I knew I knew I was good for the brain. But the long thing is more than smoking because it's like when you burn something it's yeah three thousand cards what .

terrible for you to anything .

you yeah well .

anything you're putting into alarm, you're putting chemicals in the alone not supposed go in there, get fired up that way, said weed, of course. Man uh you know it's another uh unheralded uh neutrogena creating creating actually increases cogent perform.

It's a muscle supplement.

a supplement that they figured out the nineteen and people start creating almost like steroid, like like a scandal. People like the school powder. Yeah.

yeah, yeah.

I get IT in gumming form. I get creating gummy just to a full day grave. Brain grape for your brain. Great for muscle recovery. This is a bit different .

self that's grade .

for your brain.

If you try new rogun, I don't .

neurogen great. It's just gum. It's just gum. You chew IT and got in in IT a little bit of caffeine. Great for. So when you do in this uh, pop test thing you have like a weekly schedule.

you do IT twice a week. R I i've done like .

five um and like again.

so you do once a week here once a week and I do I you know I am interested in a lot of stuff and so i'm new to the podcast game, but I I start it's like basically I started out. It's like they're long. They're like three parties and IT starts.

I was something i'm fascinated by. Its on social media for example. Like you know something can come up and there's means and like this association, there's conspiracy series on both sides.

And i'm like everyone's interested in IT why we dig in to IT. Let's to dig in, right? And so I dig in and I I know a lot of people can call him going to access and talk and I just ask questions again. I'm not i'm not I don't have like not trying to shoe horn anything and anything.

I'm just like, what just do not go. What is this?

Yeah yeah. And and so I find that really, really fun, really interesting. Are you mixing .

this in with the investigative journalism? Are you go to places and the people.

then i'm just meeting interesting people and i'll beat somebody interesting and I just say fuck IT, i'll just talk and we'll just be a straight forecast and we're just talking for like two hours like Peter deal scope to my mind and and um you know there's a lot of people out there like it'll be a mix of big names, but I also want to go talk to the people who are, you know put stuff up and where they're get their stuff and where are they get their right, just diggin basically.

And you can dig in on the high end and dig on the know. What I ve found is if you get in the creation of the mean and who's creating IT, IT sort of starts as a White thing, and then IT goes down into like some sort of like a philosophy or something bigger. And then when you get to the people who are like, for example, with this association attempts, IT got pretty quickly into the deep stay.

And i'm like, well, let's talk about the deep state because everyone band is the world around, but nobody fucked and really knows what IT is. If you I want to get into clinical explanations or have real positive facts about what are the. Like you historical evidence so that this exist, that they do this all the fucking in time, right? And so i'm like, okay, let's chop IT up and get into IT and that was like a super fun. And and and so i'm getting into all the stuff that I find interesting online and and on you know in social media and saying, let's just get into IT yeah just whatever you interested.

whatever I think I did the thing.

Look, guys, I love all of this stuff. So like, I mean, right now i'm doing a lot of political stuff because it's electoral cycle is crazy. Um and there's a lot there's a lot so much fun compulsory like and when you see stuff like where is IT coming from? Like where is this fucking coming? Well and you're write everyone .

has an right that this was so crazy about having so many different groups manipulating us through bots that we don't really know what people actually think. And the problem with people is they don't really know what they actually think. They know like what people like.

There's A A large percentage, i'm going to to say men because this is the ones that bother me, the most men who say things because they know that people want to hear them and because they know won't get them in trouble to say IT and they don't necessarily believe IT like you could be about tran's athletes IT could be about like some sort of it's a lot of IT is connected to work stuff and politically correct, a lot of its connected to ideology. Um you know like they'll have super positive gas lighting version of what's going on to the border. Know when they they do IT because they have super positive, yeah super positive. Like, you know it's important and immigration important and you know it's very difficult for these people otherwise OK. And there is like shit, okay, also terrorists, okay, also murderer and rapist getting released from venezuelan prisons in the way of rose border.

All that's real. But there's two sides to that story. That's the one thing too, like one hundred percent. So when I did my dive in the immigration, you're like because the reason why I were going to do this, you see the gates opening up and people come in to and I like hole i've been reporting on the border for, I don't know, ten years. There's no fucking gate where people fucking run through the gate right right.

And then you look into the the thing and it's like, oh yeah, like that was before the border, after the border, and this they were trying to get to the border because what they try to do is like basically touched the fuck and ensure that the border guards were the income so that they can get process right. And so like the gates open in all ledge in the whole, like 呃， open border ship, right, is not true. What meaning do not have an open border where people are just working, coming in like, look, I an immigrant. Like, I know how work. You have to come in and .

get down to the south.

Yeah, we've been down to the side. We've rote the beast. We're in the dayan gap. Look, hold on before I get back in, but there's on the other side. Yes, it's true.

So is there is an immigration problem, huge immigration problem, and there are bad people getting through, and there are car tells running things, and there are the legal people. There are also up. And by the way, the republicans have a great message that they stay on.

The democrats don't have a response to that message, right? Just is a political fucking high admire, but I don't care about the political quadri. I'm like let's go down.

We talk to the head of the border guards, we talk to to the both ahead of water as we talk to share us. We talk to militia dudes in in texas. We talk to, we talk everybody, right? And the problem is, is that there just fucker and ship on both sides.

And there's no fucking insanity when IT comes immigration. There's nobody really saying this is what's happening here. This is what's happening here. Yes, this is bad, but this is this and this is that the other thing and there's too narrative and one narrative is this is open borders with rapist and murders coming in case the dogs and then on the other side, there's no real well, that's not really happening.

What happens when they were in mexico and now that they're being released in here and and here's the stats, eighty percent are come to their to their um uh meetings like the whatever the fact is forget the world now but when they get after they get process, no but they get processing, then they have to come to a meeting in the meeting in the meeting and the democrats are like eighty five percent and the republicans it's like ninety percent don't comm and eighty five percent do you come anyway? Well where is the fucking and stats coming from? Can we not talk to homeland? So we reached out to home, and we reached out to the fuck and committee that runs immigration.

We reached out to everybody. And this is why he gets so frustrating, is because nobody, like every, every answers different, every answer is complete the different story to interact. But that this is why I find fascinating because there are especially on immigration, there are so many givens about what shit means. And in actual fact, like an open board IT doesn't mean open board IT doesn't mean you can just fuck a walk across the border into america. That's not that doesn't happen.

But some people are walking across the border into america.

They're getting smuggled or they're trying to get to the border where they give themselves up to border guards who then process them and they become processing. They get kicked out to go back. They stay here, they and then they get fucked in whatever.

There's there's fifty things, different things that can happen. But like to me when I saw the open board, so there's dell have a tweet, right? And it'll say open borders and you'll have a fucking in gate opening with people running through that gate. So you think like, oh, that's the gate to amErica that people are running through.

Well, there's a lot of openings. I mean that that's .

not the thing that turns out to that. That footage is all, of course, not true. There are there are openings in the sense of people can smugger themselves in to the desert of night.

but people will just go across on their own, the court too. It's not just like smuggling.

There's a lot of smuggling. There's a lot of smug of IT. I mean, a lot of IT is run by the car to, and which is bad.

It's orrible horrible. A lot of missing children. exactly. It's it's like somewhere in the neighbor of three hundred thousand.

And very bad, scary, very scary. And but i'm just saying, like when you get into immigration as a thing, we're getting .

into a two narratives.

two completely different natives and near the twins show me that's the interesting thing is usually eventually you can get down to something right. And on this one you're like, you like IT literally use me IT literally depends on who you're talking. Save water.

Yeah that's what's scary about today is it's hard to figure out and depending upon what tribe you are part of, if you're under the tribe of the right you think one thing you're the try of .

the life you're tribes i'm sitting there again. Okay, so they'll talk to them about something. So remember when I was intervening, obama, the end of his presidency, I was like, you know, what are you are big, you know? And all he wanted to talk about was the republicans.

He don't want to talk about his presence that. So I went to go speaker banner because I was about my speaker who buy away lovely guy, great guy. And he wanted to talk about his thing.

And so you, and again, near the twin, show me. And you're like, at some point you gotta get down to this coronal l of truth. And on immigration, it's almost impossible to find or maybe IT is impossible to find.

Well, the bottom line is a lot of people are being brought into this country and then being shipped to swing states. That's real. That's undeniable that the percentage of people that are in swing states of illegal immigrants moving to swing states is off the hook. It's crazy and a bizarre number that seems to be a strategy .

that is why.

of course, you can eventually.

I can vote in ten, twenty years.

no ID voting. okay? This is something that they're pushed in california. The first lot of places, there's only one reason to have no ID that's to have people that can vote, that shouldn't be voting.

That's only a reason if you only want the people to vote, that should be voting us for ID, just like U. S. For ID, for everything else, for getting on an airplane.

I believe in look, I believe in ID. I'm just in the the only reason have no idea.

And to push that and only being push by the democrats, there's only one reason that makes any logical sense. You want people to vote that probably shouldn't be voting, so you can get some extra votes. Does the only thing that makes sense.

So then if you have people like Nancy polis is openly talked about giving amnesty, the people that already here, you have voters now. So you have voters in swing states that you brought into this country. You provided them an amazing life in the democrat bottom there.

There's going to be loyal to the democrats. Especially the democrats continue to provide them with housing and money. And why would you vote that out? Why would you vote for a bunch of people that want to deport you? You're talking about mass deportations. Image if you came here for hate, you live terribly poor life and hate you now you have a good job in springfield, ohio. And you like, I can't fuck and believe where in amErica this is amazing and someone comes along gives you the ability to vote and then another group is saying, we're onna mass deportee you because you people are eating all the dogs and all the cats then this is like this fuck and of course you're you're getting voters. You're bringing in voters and you're getting voters.

you're onna get them to vote. Something haven't seen, not denying IT or find that's something we haven't seen like personally.

we haven't seen, but it's clearly a strategy that you could employ. And if you were going to employ that wouldn't move those people to swing states, you would. And if you find out that there's an APP that you can use and you use this APP and y'll, let you in the country can schedule A A way to illegally move to the country and then you're legally protected once you've done that. So it's basically .

an open border. okay.

You know i'm saying .

like if you know .

how hard IT was for you to become an american, okay, was very difficult. You came from today. IT takes a long time.

Long time to vote, time to do the thing.

And you have to give a reason why you supposed be. You to be an exceptional person.

you to study in which I did, and I got one hundred percent of my test.

I have a couple of friends who are just coming home from england, and they wanted to. I had just do this VISA thing for, give him recommendation. But you have to be exceptional. You do something special. You can get on that APP just come over.

Look, i'm not going to get two into the air because I only did IT through interviews but the APP is an actual thing .

that tracks .

the the people who come into .

the country it's uh uh and entrance .

into the country. They're doing IT to try to stop the waves of .

the illegals and making IT some people able to about .

anymore because I know the APP exist, I know you're talking about and I know if you write that does people do and they sign up to IT, they come and they get process and then they wait for the thing.

And the where was the big argument on the debate between jd vans and timeline? They try to frame IT as if this had existed for a long time and that's when je van had to step up and stop them and say, you say you, we're going to fact check and this is where that's not sure. That up did not exist.

You can literally schedule IT used to be for people that are ready here. Yeah, like for, know kids that were born in mexico but have lived their entire life in america. Yeah, we got to fight out a way to citizenship for those folks.

That's fucking crazy. If you I know a girl, she's twenty eight years old and he came over him when he was a baby and she's not in american citizen here because there are families from mexico. That's crazy to me.

That's crazy. That does not make any sense. He's been in a whole life. She's got in american. Yeah, like, let's figure that out.

I have looked again. I have no dog in the race. I was literally just trying to get to some sort of, okay, one of the facts. I didn't like that one thing like I got I talked everybody I could on both sides. And again, again, it's so confusing that even now i'm like after having time like .

this seems like a strategy IT could .

be a IT could be a strategy and there's a strategy on both sides, for sure. And but you it's just like it's it's it's so fucked up to try to find the facts on this stuff, right? Everybody has facts. Don't like i'm going to be in with everyone has just fucked in tones of facts. What are the fucking in fact, because real, exactly.

Well, that's what so many things mean. We have that with covered. We have that with the ukraine war. Like whose responsible is IT nato is that did someone cross a red line with someone violent agreement?

What is happening in the area, right? Are they really hiding in tunnels like israel, really shooting aid workers? What is going on? what?

What are the real facts? What are the facts? And and that's what I want to do on the podcast. And sometimes you get there and sometimes, you know and immigration obviously being very in one, and i'm going to continue on IT because i'm like it's not satisfactory, although maybe that's just the answer. The answer is, is such a fucking and .

huge and confusing issue where IT is absolutely a huge confusing issue. And also, if you are human being, you have empathy. And I lived in an ecuador, or or where these folks are from, and I found out you could just cross america, or you could get on your APP, and you can get into amErica one hundred percent, I would do IT and you would do.

And yeah, we have the greatest country in the world, and that's why people want to come here. Yeah, you have this land of opportunity is amazing. But what we really have do is make sure we don't let in murder and folking killers and rapists and thigh and gangs members and and a lot of them I get through.

And that's what we have to be careful. But it's not just not letting people in, sure. I mean, I bet we could sustain a lot more people in this country.

And I got a lot of those people, the common of hard working, very ambitious people, that are excited to be here. They would love to be a part of the american experience. They probably love to recognize as as americans.

Yes, immigration, as it's being run right now, was a fucking in catastrophe. I think we can be on that. And IT has to be fixed.

IT has to be fix. But the questions.

but how do you find fix IT? If if nobody, if it's become so political to call me on this exact same, it's become so political that there's no fucking in root basis in truth. And people believe on one side, this thing and believe on and you're like.

so then then show like you, like you out, that's good. You need something where someone is like right and not come at IT from a right wing perspective or wing perspective just come out IT from. Like this is what IT is A I think there's more politically homeless people now than ever.

I really do believe that. And they're going aside with one side of the other based on their opinion, mostly about don trump. But other than that, it's like you're trying to figure out like what team you belong on and both teams are filled with scoundrels. You you go far enough to the left and far enough to the right of the same kind of monster. This is adopted to a different ideology.

It's all IT is and there politics .

and it's not just politicians, it's game members is the politicians, of course, that I like the leaders, but you've got these gang members because basically anybody can join, anybody could join the left and anybody can join the right. And there's a lot of mentally ill people out there. And so they join this and their whole identity revolves on crushing the right or crushing the left and owning the limbs.

You know, that's that's a giant percentage of social media, all these mentally ill people that are in a gang ang, and that's all that is. That's why they attack people, try to deep platform them, try to get fired letter campaigns, their gang members, it's gang, and that gives them purpose because they don't have purpose in their life, which is why they are on twitter twelve hours a day because they're mentally ill. And it's exact the social .

me IT is because this become so big IT is informing policy, I mean, on both sides because because if you look at what gets adopted as narrative, then it's the narrative is being written social media, it's not being written by traditional news, right? And so fine. Like that's why i'm like hold on a second.

I'm fascinated by this. Should you're fascinated I think pretty much everybody's fascinated by this. It's informing policy, but nobody's actually reporting on or get digging in or getting in. Everybody is still I fuck I can give you about the mainstream media.

I think about this the only way you find the truth of social media just you have to do a lot of lifting. You ve got to figure out who's legit and that's where community notes comes in. Very handy. I like that. Ah and IT cleans people on both sides .

yeah and it's good, very important. I said i'm going to go try to try to dig through some of the ship, which by the way, proved to be a lot harder.

I fucked in real journalism, right? Like if you want to do that, I mean, you know Better than anybody. It's real journalist .

yeah and it's look, it's fun because there's a lot of people want .

to cart yeah and especially the way you're doing IT.

Now you small and I learned from the best nobody .

wants to listen to and all these deals, they they get big and they have staff. And I .

go, you did IT right. And by away, surprisingly, maybe not surprisingly, very wise I am to speaking of which I speak. I D didn't fuck and do IT right. So and i'm saying, you did.

Nobody came knocking with those dollars. You know, I didn't have a thing that you could sell like that because my thing only works .

if I might look.

it's a different thing. And the only works if I keep doing an exactly the do a baby.

I love you. I'm proud of you. Thank my friend, a beautiful baby boy.

We've got a long time, long time.

It's crazy. Long time, long time. Abo was back in the fuck in taranto, whatever was just over the school.

Yeah, you ve got me so fucked up on one year. Fucking and crazy weed fucking. This is a fucking in purple haze. Fuck White .

ideas .

and I remember like other microphone here.

Yes, that's the problem. We get people away high before the, and then they would can close off to that. Be paranoid. Ed, not terrible .

because I drinks me be, but I can't like if one i'm stone, i'm like you I can't talk .

is about strategy.

Pretty funny though I .

was fun for pretty. I used to love to get up my opening act super high. Yeah, just watch and panic when they go out there. I don't worry about IT just go have fun to get to learn how to be yourself in that fog and maybe you can find something different when .

yeah yeah if you if you're like smoking all the time when you can get through but if you're just come in and go on, oh, i'm going to sit down with put the number one poggi ter all and get a stoned as i've ever been and if I can chat the word those scarious .

thing is when you're talking and you don't know what .

you're talking to you yeah you lose train and you like I have no idea to talk about and I don't know what to come back .

but all you need is football te, someone goes a train yes, yes the train is that door opens up in your brain and a of access all the information again, it's weird how it's sort of compartment alysa memory like that.

Those were, I gotta say those were fuck and fun and good days, and and you fuck and blew up like an adam bomb do is weird.

But they were fun days because we were doing IT for the right reasons. IT was just for fun. IT was just to do IT because I can. They didn't make any .

money for so long. IT was just.

how long? years?

years? Five years? Yes.

I like and like, who was like? He was like on T, I, E, T, the lies of webs. How much did I cost back .

down to put IT up? I don't remember.

I was part in the beginning. I was super cheap because I was just a laptop and a microphone. That was super cheap. And then we started expanding. And then once I got the first studio and my I really need a bigger one, then I got a warehouse, and then then start again.

was the one in woodland's. Ills was like the first iteration or second. I to .

woodland's ills, you did you go to the warehouse one?

I want to the tiny one.

So there's a tiny one. Then we had the biggest warehouse. We had a gym in there alka a stuff. Yeah, just it's like everything thing scale up.

But the most important thing is like the reason why podcast work, I think, is because people are listening and they know it's just a conversation. So IT IT works in your mind. IT resonates in your mind. You know this isn't not like some heavily produce producing or there's an agenda and there's a script in a teleprompter and you're trying to pretend that you're being real, but you're not being real.

So IT doesn't feel right to people does.

And so the more people you have involved in IT, the more it's not going to feel right. You know, my friend had a studio and he has a glass wall and the the production staff is all working and walking around in this this behind this class wall any season and I go, that's a distraction yeah, why do you have that? This is bad for the conversation. Ah you've missed the point. The the reason why IT works is because the people at home, the people that are in their airports on right now going on a job there are just as much in this room as you and I because there's no filters.

It's just us i'm taking mental notes right now because we fucked up a few those things, but are exactly right.

Everybody thinks that they want to be a television show. And if you look at a television show that's professions festival, I don't think professionals good. I don't think it's good.

I don't think that's what like the best comedy shows are. Live comedy shows when see comedy watching on netflix is awesome. Washing life seventy percent Better ah because you there is a .

really collective collect experience. Go were all together movie theatres yeah. rocks. Rock concerts, somebody shows yeah. And I think once .

A I comes around, live performance is going to be one of the few ways that we're going to be able to connect .

with each other like .

human real way do yeah yeah in a real way. And that's a it's a scary, a scary proposition because we really don't know, like maybe for the first time ever, if you live in one nine hundred and seventy, you are pretty what one thousand nine and eighty was going to be like. Maybe you're wrong a little bit, but that was you're probably pretty accurate.

You could extrapolate. You could look at IT and I see where this going. Today we have zero idea with twenty thirty four. Looks like we are just guessing.

I'll go further. I was driving around our studios and vanities, and I was driving from my way of vanities. And like, if you drive you like I know what that why I said turn is probably turns on IT literally hasn't changed a lots in two thousand nine hundred and twenty four.

Like it's like the same houses, same fuck. Like, okay, the cars are different, but there's cars and there's phones. But like, okay, bit of technology but like kind is the same, not a lot really. And you're like, okay, one hundred years from now, this fuck and looks nothing nothing like like IT does today.

That's scary. IT is scary. It's weird.

But but we remain. We both sad. Like, look, if you can also be positive st about IT and say they look, let's mold IT to be like, great, I can fuck and do something I love rather than working a fuck in factory fucking and punching out you tool and die fucking in pieces. I can not go to do what my first love was, something that I makes me feel filled with joy. Or we can become fucking and autobots who are crying, because if I can, online AI driven girlfriend, dump me.

But the thing is, also today, there is these kind of conversations around there. They put these thoughts in the people's minds and inspire them to do something that didn't exist when we were Young. There wasn't these kind of conversations that could really light up the fires of your creativity and your ambition.

And yeah.

shut up. You to be a real rebel. Yeah, you to be a kind of a crazy person and take that path.

you have to be fucking an outsider. Otherwise people would like confirm, just fuck and do what everybody else .

they want being accountable now. And as you are struggling, if you got outside the lines and you were taking a chance as you struggling, people were praying for beautiful, all of them praying that yeah.

didn't work out because he shows them up.

Yes.

they they made the wrong.

Yeah, no.

But that's true. That is to people want you to fail.

The thing is, some people don't know. Some people actually want you to succeed. And they want they succeed themselves.

They want you you to succeed like you. You realize like that's a Better way to live. I am to adopt that.

You can adopt that even if he doesn't feel right, because usually like grading you trying to make IT. I'm telling you, the hoping other people fail is the biggest waste of energy. Even your enemies let fuck and just live in their own life. Don't hope they fail. Don't put any energy towards .

everyone just joining you to the day our mature leader again. When when people I know or when my friends to do well, am I because nobody happy to me like that's fucked and awesome, awesome. And also and when people you know failed or have a hard time or like OK, bro, let's what can we do? Let's fuck and do you again? Let's what can get back on the horse figured out and yeah, because others SE, this is the fuck bomb. Y.

yeah, yeah. I know. Fn, of the homes can have none.

and that's.

The tell body know where how can they find IT where they are? good.

We just started. But it's I think on youtube with shame Smith has questions and wherever you can listen to podcast. So yes, but I appreciate. the.

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