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Nice to meet you, man. You too, man. Really. It's been a pleasure. I've seen so many of your fucking movies. It's always weird when you meet someone that you've seen so many times in movies. Yeah. It's like, all right, there he is, a real person. Yeah, there they are. I didn't know you released a gospel album, though. Yeah, last year. That's wild. Yeah, it's called Fallen, a gospel record for sinners. Wow.

Because I wanted the biggest possible audience. Gospel record for sinners? Yeah. How long have you been singing gospel? Well, you know, basically I grew up in the Baptist church. And so it's five songs that I grew up with. And it's five songs that I wrote before and during the making of the record. It's kind of like my spiritual journey, I guess. That's the way it turned out in the end. My wife, she put the order together. And that's what it seems to be. Kind of my...

journey in life. Was this something that you had thought about for a while or did it just kind of... Yeah, I wrote this song called On My Way to Heaven and I wrote it for my mom to let her know that I was okay after I got out of rehab for cocaine in 1990. And then I wrote Fallen, which is kind of like taken from a

Remember that movie Thunder Road with Robert Mitchum? It's kind of like in that vein or that kind of feel to it. And there's this highway called the Devil's Backbone up near Bandera. And so it's a ride with the devil. And you wind up getting left for dead on the side of the road. So this was just something that you felt like...

Like, fuck it. I've done everything else. Why not do a gospel album? Yeah. You know, I've recorded. I've always been a songwriter. I got a guitar when I was 12 years old. My grandfather bought me a Western Auto. It's a great place to buy guitars. And...

You know, I realized I was never going to shred a guitar, so a songwriting became like a defense, you know, something you could bring to a band. Right. And so I've always done it. But I got this offer from Gaither.

because they heard Bill Gaither had heard the song "On My Way to Heaven" and asked me to do a gospel record. So I said, yeah. - Wow. - Yeah, it was a great experience really. And "On My Way to Heaven" in fact, Tanya Tucker heard it and she called me up out of the blue. I hadn't seen her like in 30 years and said she wanted to do it. So I said, okay. And then she called me 15 minutes later

And she said, Chris Christopherson wants to do it. Whoa. And I said, wow. And Brandi Carlile's doing backup singing on it. And it's in myself. And we're going to put that out this year as a single. Wow, that's awesome. Yeah. Chris is just the greatest. I love that guy. I love him. One of the highwaymen. Yeah. Come on. Yeah. No kidding.

Wow. So you were telling me that you got to Hollywood in the 70s? Yeah. I went out there. I was born in Houston, you know, and grew up there. And I was in acting class. Mr. Pickett, we always bring him up because so many people actually started working. My brother was...

you know, his student as well. And my brother was already out there in California and he had been nominated for The Last of Tale and stuff. And so I kind of realized, hey, you can actually do this stuff, you know, get paid for it. And I went out there at 75 and, you know, just driven and got an agent after about a year. Did you have any previous acting experience? Yeah, in college.

I wasn't serious about it in high school. I was going to be a veterinarian. That's what I wanted to be. Really? Yeah. I was a vet's assistant up in East Texas. I'd spent summers up in East Texas, you know, in Jacksonville, Frankston, and...

I worked for a vet when I was 14, 15. And that's what I was going to do until one day we did like a house call out to this guy's farm to castrate his horse. And the farmer didn't want to sit out there in the field and wait for him to wake up from a full anesthetic. So they only gave him half of it and cinched his legs up like this.

And that horse stood up on two legs and it was just, man, it was horrific. And that kind of, I think that's what

changed my mind maybe I should be an actor and I'll play a veterinarian yeah I'm sure the horse was not enjoying that no that's yeah that's got to be a bad also as a man like I don't want to do that I don't I didn't do that to my dog no I don't do that to any of my dogs no you can get that done for free in California right even if you're a person yeah

What the fuck? Yeah. Very different in the 70s, huh? Yeah. Yeah, you went through, like, 70s in Hollywood must have been a weird experience, man. Oh, it was fantastic. It was amazing, man. That whole era of the 70s, you know, which started with Bonnie and Clyde and Easy Rider. Great films. Yeah. Great films during that time. The French New Wave, you know, is what they called it, you know, kind of more handheld, grittier, more...

And it was the return of the anti-hero and the rebel hero. And because Hollywood had lost touch with their audience, you know, they were making movies like Toby Tyler and, you know, these bloated musicals. And so it became like the inmates had taken over the asylum. There was really new, exciting stuff getting done, like, you know, Badlands and The Conversation, you know, which led to...

The Godfather, and it's... That was, I think, the golden age of filmmaking. Well, certainly some amazing films came out of that era. It's just seeing Los Angeles today and imagining what it was like in the 70s. It had to be... Because, I mean, really, movies, if you really think about it, they were only a few decades old back then. Yeah. It was a new thing, essentially. Yeah. They just, like, perfected it. I mean, really...

It was only like 10 years into where...

all the movies were color. They were making black and white movies up until like '63, you know? - Right, like The Hustler was black and white. - Yeah. - That was '63. - Yeah. - Yeah. - And it was an exciting time. Like I said, the inmates had taken over the asylum and it was a feeling like you could do just about anything. And music too was really happening in Los Angeles as well. Record deals were getting signed left and right.

And, you know, there was this – it's kind of turned upside down now because of all that rebellious attitude of the 70s and everybody – that it sort of became the establishment, I think. Yeah, bizarre, right? It's really kind of turned up on its year because it started to kind of really turn politically correct in the 90s. And it became kind of a –

nobody stays at a party after 11 o'clock. Is that when you went into rehab? Yeah, after that. No matter where you're going, afterwards you had to pretend you were going to bed. Oh, look at the time. Yeah, oh, look at the time.

I guess everybody had kids, too, by that point. But then it just got to where we are today, that you're getting warned to keep your mouth shut because of—

It turned upside down. It's also one ideology dominates, especially in Hollywood, dominates the entire business. You know, one of the things that I said that drove me crazy about Hollywood was there's people that had differing opinions about things, but they would never speak out because it could damage their career. Right. And it really can. They will fucking blackball you. They will. I mean, they tried. Yeah.

There were a couple attempts to cancel me while we were making Reagan, in fact. Kind of half-hearted, I guess. But it has become that. And that ain't right. I mean, back then, few people really were, I guess, conservative. Let's throw out parties and just call it conservative. I mean, you had John Wayne. John Voight.

Yeah. But you didn't know if John Boyd was conservative back then. He wasn't vocal about it? Not back in the 70s, no. But it was basically John Wayne and Charlton Heston. Right. And that was pretty much about it. Or anybody wearing a tie. Well, how did the rebels become... What the fuck happened? How did the rebels become the establishment? That's...

That is – we went through an era where – remember tolerance? That was what we were trying to do like back in the teens, I think, in the teens where you tolerate other groups and all that. And that didn't last very long and seems like one had it over the other. But if you ask me where this great divide really started politically, I think – of course, there was Watergate, but –

You come up to like when the Republicans had their contract with America. I think it was like 94 in the year that Clinton was going to be a lame duck president. Had that those midterms and then it started to become just along party lines where there was no you were a traitor if you went to the other side or because we had conservative candidates.

conservative Democrats. We had liberal Republicans up until that point. You know, that's what I grew up with. And that wasn't good enough anymore. And so it started there and, you know, and then continued. And, you know, then the Democrats really took over and they really do it really well as far as that stuff of turning things on their head. And, you know,

I feel like today they were using the judicial system against Trump, which is really off the reservation. Well, they're using the judicial system against Trump. The entire media establishment other than Fox News is completely against anything Republican. And it's false.

Did you see on Colbert the other day, Kristen Collins, is that her name? Yeah. Yeah, I saw that. She said, Colbert says, CNN just reports the facts. The whole audience starts laughing. Yeah, they said, was that a laugh line? Yeah, he goes, well, I guess it is. I guess it is. Yeah, which is hilarious. People get it. Oh, they do get it. That's what, you know.

Well, the pandemic, I think. The bolster is that people do get it. Sometimes I think everybody just swallowing this. There's a lot of people that are still swallowing. A lot of boomers, a lot of older folks that are just swallowing whatever's in the newspaper and whatever's on television. And a lot of people aren't news wonkies like you and I. Yeah. They just get the sound bites. Exactly. And that's what they do it for.

Well, it's disheartening. The more you do a deep dive on the actual facts about a thing, you know, like I've heard people repeat. I've had conversations with people. They go, well, you know, Trump's a felon. He's convicted of 34 felonies. I go, OK, do you know what those things are? Do you know that they are misdemeanors? Misdemeanors? Do you know that the statute of limitations had run out on this little misdemeanor? It wasn't a campaign contribution. They just did all kind of gymnastics to...

make it happen. And then the third person in line in the Justice Department comes back to New York to oversee this case. And, you know, just...

It's just incredibly dangerous. It's incredibly dangerous because it can also be turned around. Yes. You know, and there has to come a point where we go stop. Yeah. You know, we have to we have to stop this or we're losing our country. Yeah. I think they're more concerned with being in power than they are with preserving the idea of democracy. That's yeah. I totally agree with that.

And I think some of that was certainly they were emboldened by the fact they're essentially running the country without a president for the last three years. Yes. Because he's not there. Not there, really. And since he's decided that he's not going to run again, he's gone. He's vanished. Who's running it now? Exactly. And then the crazy thing is Kamala Harris. Who will be running then? Because I really can't see her like...

being in charge. No. It's a figurehead. That's all it is. And what's really wild is the Babylon Bee had a hilarious little caption. They said, when I get in office, I'm going to change things, says the woman who's in office right now. Yes.

Because she's in office. She's talking about fixing all these things. Like, hey, you're literally the vice president. From day one, on day one, I'm going to really do something about the border. Says the borders are. But you are essentially the president right now. This is so fucking crazy. You'll be the president for five more months. This is so nuts. But, yeah.

She's flipped on everything except for plastic straws. She still wants to get rid of those. Did you see the thing where Trump came out and said that he was going to stop taxes for tips of hospitality workers and you wouldn't tax them on tips anymore? Yeah, that was like a month and a half ago. Yeah.

And then she came out and said she's going to do it. Right. She's going to stop tips. And everybody cheered as if it was her idea. But here's the problem. In 2022, she was one of the deciding votes to go after people that were not reporting their tips. Was that on the Inflation Reduction Act or the Green New Deal? Well, I think it was one of the same. Right. She was the.

She was the tiebreaker. Yeah, exactly. So they're going to tax the business instead, which in turn taxes the workers that are there. But it's hilarious that two years later, she's acting like this is her idea now. Like, you had a chance. You could have swung it the other way two years ago. Yeah. Could have been right in there. Or that she was...

All the brags that she was the last person in the room when it came to the withdrawal in Afghanistan. Yeah. And, you know, we left $87 billion of military equipment there. We have 13 soldiers that were killed. There's still people over there in hiding. Yeah. And also the people that work with us, all the people that work with all the translators, all the Afghanis that helped us. They're all fucked. Well, Trump had all that stuff.

He was doing it right. He had that meeting that he had with the Taliban leadership and where he said, "We're going to leave, but if one soldier's head is touched, we're going to be back. And just to show you how we can do it, here's your address."

They had a photograph of his house. Yeah. They gave it, gave him to him. And, uh, that's when they went, okay. Really, the only thing I liked about Trump was, uh, everything that he did. I would cringe at so much stuff that he said. Right. But I think his, his heart was really in the right place. And not only that, we, we need a, a really strong leader like that to deal with these assholes that, uh,

run the third world, the other world. There's some bad actors out there. Yeah, unquestionably. And the wildest thing is that

People are pretending that if he gets into office, he's going to become a dictator. As if he wasn't in office for four years and was never a dictator. Right. Like, the whole thing is like, we're just being gaslit and lied to on a scale that I've never seen in my life. To the point where CNN on television saying that they support the news becomes a huge laugh. Right. Or that they just speak the news objectively. Yeah, and...

It's incredible. Like I said, the Democrats are really good at doing it because they say it's so bold-faced.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, they have so much money. The thing – have you ever seen the difference between Democrat donors versus Republican donors? There was a chart that someone made about the amount of people that donate to the Democratic Party versus the amount of people that donate to the Republican Party. It's shocking. Big donors – It's big donors. It's shocking. That's where it's completely turned upside down because it used to be Republicans who were known as the fat cats and big oil and big business and all that would –

would be the big supporters and donors of the Republicans. And it was like those $5 and $10 donations of the Democratic Party because they're really a coalition of groups. But then I think starting with Obama especially, it started with social media. It really started to get into more of a corporate type of thing.

tech oligarchy that is kind of going on. It's a great way to put it. That's really what it is, right? It's a tech oligarchy. The tech thing's nuts because nobody anticipated that these corporations were going to have this insane amount of influence and power over people. You know, I've had this guy Robert Epstein on my podcast before him.

I don't know if you've ever seen his work, but he basically does a statistical analysis of Google search results and what Google does to change people's opinions and how much of an effect it can have on swaying an election. Because if you go look for Trump rally, you'll see a bunch of Kamala Harris things. If you go try to find something negative about Kamala, you'll find all these positive things about Kamala. So these...

Quick searches, which most people do. Most people aren't doing deep dives for hours where they're going and reading and finding other alternative sources of information. They get their information from a Google search. And that Google search, if you can curate it and make sure that all the positive stuff about the people that you want is up front and all the negative stuff about the people that you don't want is up front, you could shift people's opinions by 20%, 30%. Of course you can. Yeah.

And with the algorithms that they have, they already know your preferences and basically who you are to begin with. Yes. And –

They can maneuver that way. It's not just the Russians. We should have search results. Search results should be completely unbiased. That should be a law. Because if you can curate searches, if you can curate people's access to information and hide things,

That should be illegal. There should be nothing that has anything to do with political ideology when it comes to searching for information. It should just be whatever the information is. I completely agree with you. Well, for one thing, as Ronald Reagan said, democracy can handle it. Yeah. Yeah.

And, yeah, he testified before the House Subcommittee back of the day, you know, House of Un-American Activities. And it said basically just let the communists go ahead and state their cause. It's okay to have a communist party in this country because of the exchange of ideas and everything will –

play out, then democracy can handle it. But we're kind of going through with Reagan right now, the movie, we're going through a...

We're being – censorship is happening to us through Facebook. They have Facebook banned advertising and a lot of the podcasts. This one will probably be banned on Facebook as well over the last couple of months. Really? Just because it's – is it a positive film about Reagan? Is that what the idea is that's bothering them? It's –

I see it as it's a biopic is really what it is. It follows him from when he was a boy in Dixon all the way through when he said goodbye to the American people when he was diagnosed for Alzheimer's after he was president. And it's a fight against communism, which he fought all of his life. But the reason being was that the content in it was –

an attempt to sway an election. A movie. I mean, the last time I heard, you know, Reagan was on the ballot 40 years ago was the last time. Do you think if you made a positive Obama movie, it would be to sway an election? Well, there was an Obama movie that came out during an election year in 2020. And, you know, nothing about that. And to me, I mean, just the act of

of banning or censoring that material, as you were talking about, is an attempt to sway an election. And Reagan was a Democrat before he was a Republican, by the way. As was Trump. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's... Since then, Facebook has said they made a mistake. They said that yesterday because we put out a letter...

do it in an article on Newsweek. And they said they made a mistake. It was their automatic systems had detected it. Oh, how convenient. Yeah. I don't know what those automatic systems are, but there was a mistake in that. Yeah. I don't understand it. Yeah. I...

I don't know what's going on over there if it's rogue employees. The problem is so many of those people are so ideologically captured. So many of the people that are working for any tech company.

They're kids coming out of the universities. They're all left wing. There's very few right wing people involved. It's a tiny, tiny percentage. And they all feel like it's their duty. They feel like they're activists before they're even anything else. To save America. Yeah. Which is like, from what? Totally drank the Kool-Aid. Yeah. If you ask me. Yeah. That's what's unfortunate about the way Trump talks.

Because the way Trump talks, it's easy to make him the enemy because he seems like a mean old rich man. And so in their eyes, that is – that's everything that's wrong in the world. Yes. He'll go after – make fun of you personally or whatever. Yeah, but he didn't prosecute Hillary. In talking those terms, you see – he feels like a schoolyard bully or whatever. But it's – he's – you know, with –

All the things they did to Trump, I do believe that when he, as far as revenge and all that stuff, that the success in the election would be his revenge. And I really believe that if it was Biden who was impeached or going to jail or whatever, I think Trump would pardon him. To tell you the truth, I don't think he wants anybody to see a president impeached.

in jail because that really changes our country. Well, he has said that openly about Hillary. Like when he got into office, there was a lot of people that were pressing him to prosecute her, to go after her for the email thing, for a lot of different things. And he said, no, that'd be a terrible look. It'd be terrible for our country. The wife of the former president of the United States, no way.

Yeah. And he didn't do it. So all these things that people think he's going to do, well, he had the opportunity to do those things four years ago. And they're thinking now they've done so many egregious things to him now with all the prosecutions and then the years and years of Russiagate. Every fucking news network saying something. It started at day one. Yeah. It started at day one, even before he- Even before. Got into office. But I wasn't, I myself, I wasn't going to vote for Trump. I-

This time around, I was wanting them to find another candidate that would kind of calm things down. Right. Because I thought that's what we needed. We need to calm things down. But then when they went after him with the judicial system, these stupid charges. Yeah. Yes. But that...

That's when things change for me because then you're messing with the Constitution. Right. And we can't go back from that. Right. After something like that happens. Right. And so that's why I'm jumping in all for Trump. And the other thing is people need to understand that even if you hate Trump, if

If you normalize weaponizing the judicial system against a political candidate, that can be used against your party, too. Exactly. And if someone gets in, like if Vivek Ramaswamy gets in or if Ron DeSantis gets in and he starts doing the same things that they did to Trump, then we have chaos. Yeah. Then we're a fucking banana republic. We're Venezuela. You can go down the line on how that works. Exactly.

Yeah, it's terrifying. We're like the last hope for this whole idea of this experiment in self-government. Ronald Reagan said that these freedoms that we take for granted, they can be lost in a generation. And I always thought, well, it's kind of really high talk and all that stuff, but

It's true. It's true. It's true. These are the craziest times. Yeah, the craziest. And fascinating, by the way, that I've ever lived in. I mean, it makes the 60s look like a sandbox play. Yep. Yeah. Here they did. Well, it's because tech's involved and AI and deep fakes and just so much...

So many shenanigans are going on simultaneously. It's just, it's such a bizarre, it's a great time for comedy. So much shit to make fun of because it's almost like the things that are real, they're so funny, they write themselves. Yeah, it's true. You can't make this stuff up. It's so nuts. The whole thing is so nuts. And the fact that these people are so ideologically captured, they can't recognize the danger of doing the things that they're doing in order to win. And that you can't fix that stuff once you put it in motion, right?

And I just don't know how this is going to turn out. But if this was a show, I'd be like, holy shit, what a great show. Like the writing on this show is fucking incredible. No kidding. It's a cliffhanger, this for sure. Yeah, the assassination attempt, him going fight, fight, fight, putting his fist out like, what the fuck? Is this real? This is crazy. The whole thing's crazy. And then not a press conference about the shooter.

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How do they do it? Nobody remembers it. Right. Well, they memory hold it. Yeah. Memory hold it. It's like as if it never happened. Well, there was so little reporting on how it happened, how it could have happened, who the shooter was. They get to the kid's house and it's completely scrubbed. He doesn't have any silverware in his home. His phone, it takes him, what, a week and a half even to open it? Oh, we can't get into his phone. Yeah. Whoa.

Yeah. Well, how about the fact –

They track the... They have phone... They have ad... Oh, right. Yeah, they can pay your phone off that triangulate on the cellular couch. So there was a phone that was going from outside of D.C. to this kid multiple times. So what's going on? This kid's training for quite a while, for over a year, it seems like. He was involved in shooting training and preparing for... It's like...

He was being grouped. He went there at least like 40 times, they said. I don't know how many times. It was quite a few. It was quite a few. Yeah. But the whole thing is very strange. It's like, how is this not like a deep investigation that's on the front page of every newspaper where people are trying to figure out? Outrage from it. Was this a government conspiracy to kill the presidential candidate? Yeah. What happened? Right. Right.

Was it? Right. You know, we go back to the Kennedy. No, go ahead. I thought the moment he got shot and lived and he goes, fight, fight, fight. I'm like, it's over. He's going to win this. Me too. He's going to win this. That's it. Put up his fist like that is like,

And then next thing you know, Kamala Harris has one good speech and everybody's cheering. And you're like, wow. It's just completely flip-flop. All the talk shows. Everyone's with her. A person who just a month prior was being hidden because she would say so many dumb things. And every time she had a talk openly with no script, she would blunder and fuck things up. Now all of a sudden she's the perfect candidate. Yeah. It's kind of wild. It's...

Super wild. You know, they did have and disenfranchised all those voters who had voted for Biden. Yeah. You know, if you're talking about democracy. Right. And then all of a sudden they have no say about it. No primary. There's no one. No one else gets to choose. And they get they use the FEC filing for Biden's money. So like she gets to access that war chest. So the whole thing's crazy.

And the fact that no one's freaking out about the dangers of this and the fact that this is the first time ever that someone who nobody voted for, nobody voted for in the primaries, had zero delegates, is now being the person who is at the front. There's a point ahead in the polls. Yeah. Allegedly. I always say with the polls, like –

Says who? Here's the thing about polls. Who the fuck are you asking? And who's talking to you? The people that have the least amount to do, the people that are willing to answer polls, the people that when you call them up, say, do you have a few minutes of my time? They're like, well, yes, I do. Most people say, get the fuck out of here, and they hang up the phone. The vast majority of people don't answer polls. So you have one point ahead of the people dumb enough to answer polls.

Everybody else, it's like, we don't know. And so that's why the gaslighting continues. Well, let's put it this way, though. They've done a very good job because they do have the Republicans back on their heels about it. Oh, yeah, and I didn't think it was going to happen. I didn't think so either. I thought, well... Leading up to it, I thought he was going to steamroll Biden. The administration has done a terrible job over the last three years. The border's wide open. Everyone's freaking out. There's two wars going on simultaneously that could lead us into World War III at any moment. Everybody's freaking out. I'm like...

When Trump was in office, there was no wars. There was no new wars. There was nothing new that he was doing that was putting people in jeopardy. And then all of a sudden, it was this fucking complete total turnaround orchestrated by the media. And it happened right in front of our eyes. And now Kamala is this darling of everybody. It's like this is wild. Like the least popular vice president of all time is now one of the most popular presidential candidates of all time like that.

Incredible. And, you know, they're going to

what we're talking about right now, we're going to sound like conspiracy theorists. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm used to that. Yeah. I'm just getting used to it. Super comfortable with it. Super comfortable with it. One of Reagan's greatest phrases, in my opinion, is the nine most terrifying words. I'm from the government and I'm here to help. I'm here to help. Yeah.

It's like it's so true. These people are just like any other person in any position of power. They want to maintain power and they want to make as much money as possible. It's in every corporation. When corporations get in trouble for lying about their products, it's the same thing. It's the same thing in every business. You got a risk management. Yeah. They show up at the door. And, you know, it's amazing how the times today are so much like when –

Reagan was elected. You know, we had inflation, you know, we had 20% interest rates. I remember that because I bought a house actually during that time. There was a feeling of malaise in the country that Carter even spoke of, you know. We had hostages in Iran. I mean, we have hostages over there in Israel in the Gaza Strip that nobody's even speaking about. How is that possible? Where's the outrage on that? At

And, you know, it's so much like that time. And Reagan came along and said, you know, we're going this way, that we're not a nation in decline like we've been told that we are today. And, you know, America came back from that. I still have really great faith in the American people when it –

when it comes down where the rubber meets the road. I have a great faith in a certain percentage of the American people. Yeah. I think there's a certain percentage of the American people. I vote those are the people who vote. Yeah, I hope so. Yeah. I think there's a certain percentage of the American people that are living in a movie. They have no real understanding of all the mechanisms that are involved that make this world work and why it's working in the way it's working and what the dangers are of it.

There's so many people that are only fed by the mainstream media, which is completely corporate controlled. They don't know what's going on. In a soundbite. That's all it is. Soundbite and headlines. I've been an independent all my life, really. I voted for Carter. I voted for Reagan twice. I voted for Ross Perot.

I voted for Clinton once. You know, I voted for Bush once. I voted for Ross Perot too. Yeah, I voted for Obama once. And the second election of that one, I sat out because I just didn't have a choice. But, you know, I voted for Trump the first time because I went in there and it was Hillary or Trump or Hillary or Trump. And I voted for Trump. And

form again. But I've always believed like in the pendulum of politics and culture and the world about what is it that we need right now. And in fact, Republicans and Democrats need each other. They keep each other from going too far one way or the other. And our nation is based on compromise, which winds up being kind of the best way forward for

Not everybody gets what they want, but the important stuff, it shakes out in the end. Yes. But that doesn't seem to be the way things are working right now. Or maybe it is in the overall picture, but I just can't see it. Well, I think what happened was I don't think in 2016 they ever anticipated that Trump was going to win.

all the projections were that Hillary was going to win by a landslide. That was all the polls. That was all the things he saw on television. And then when Trump started winning on television, you could see it in the look of the faces of the pundits, the people that were on TV that were calling the election. They were baffled. They couldn't believe it. And then when it was over, there's that famous video

a video of the lady with the sock hat and the glasses in the street on her knees going, no! You see that? When it's announced. Yeah, the glass ceiling still existed. Had not been broken. Oh, it was crazy times. And then what's really funny is right after that, Jim Brewer had a great joke about this, that

There was those women march, those marches, because, you know, Trump had said that grab him by the pussy thing and be like, he's anti-women. So there's these women marches. And Jim Brewer goes, isn't it funny? They knew what a woman was then. Yeah. Which is crazy because that was only 2016. Yeah. 2016, there was no trans women. That kind of conversation was not on the table at all. The Me Too movement, all of that just completely gone. Yeah.

Out the window in favor of what, 0.5?

Zero zero zero zero point whatever of the population. I know it's nuts and it's also it's like now women's sports are in peril Yes, now you're having biological men with mental disease mental disorders competing as Women saying that they're women women winning weightlifting events women winning cycle that box or the Italian box Really dangerous. I have nothing against trans people

The box is on trance. I was in the drama department. I was a drama mama. Most of the drama department was gay and stuff. I grew up in that way. I used to play golf with Caitlyn. When it was Caitlyn or Bruce? Back when he was Bruce. Just be us because Sherwood, there weren't many people around. I love the guy. And when he...

came out like that, I was really happy for them to tell you the truth because to have to like carry that around with what you feel inside, that's really important. Yeah. You know, but that doesn't mean that the entire nation has to like flip over and change to accommodate that. Yes, there could be a mall for you. And in fact, our system already accommodates everybody. Yes.

It does. Yeah, it does. But...

I just don't like being beat over the head and told what to think and what to feel and to pretend this and pretend that. No, no, it's terrible. It's terrible for everybody. And it's just this very loud vocal minority that's very invested in pushing this agenda. And everybody else is just scratching their heads and going, what the fuck? And if you have a daughter that is to do some sort of a sport and there's trans athletes on that team...

like jesus christ like this is the reason why tidal dime was created in the first place like to give women an opportunity to compete with women exactly let's say you can't say i feel like a woman so i'm a woman and i'm going to compete with women with all the male biological advantages like we're you want to talk about science denying there's your science denying right there you're denying biological science yeah a man just by his body mask could hit

three times harder than a woman. In that Olympic match, I mean, she's, the girl stopped after like 45 seconds. See, that's a different story. That person has a disease. That male boxer who was allegedly male, who allegedly has XY chromosomes.

There's a complicated issue with that. This is like a genetic disorder that this person has, where they have very high testosterone and allegedly have XY chromosome. They should do chromosome testing. I mean, this is one of the things. Do you know what the Enhanced Games is? I think I know what you're getting at. The Enhanced Games, they're putting together this new form of athletic competition. It's going to be this enormous event where they're going to let people take performance-enhancing drugs.

And so I asked them, I had them on the podcast. I said, what are you going to do about trans athletes? They said, I think we're going to go along chromosomes. So if you have X, Y chromosome, no matter what, you're competing with other people that have X, Y chromosomes, males, people who grew, went through male puberty.

That's it. End of discussion. Now, socially, I'll call you a woman. I'll call you whatever your name you want to be called. I don't care at all. But if you want to compete athletically, we're going to pretend that the shape of the hips, the density of the bones, size of the lungs, size of the heart, the ability to react quicker, all these different advantages that we know exist. This is stupid. Right. And this is now you're putting ideology instead of ahead of facts and

and ahead of science and ahead of the biological reality we know about the advantages that men have. Yeah, ideology. It's like...

It's like, don't look behind the curtain. It's like Oz, you know? Don't look over there. It's people that don't have religion, is what it is. And they have a new religion, and that religion is this woke ideology. That is, they're acting that way, the same way a religious zealot would act. Yeah. Complete with the doctrine and everything that goes with it to spout. Yeah.

There is no argument. Excommunication, everything. There is no exchange of ideas. Right, exactly. Well, they can't debate because if you debate about it, then the facts...

Outweigh their ideology you look at the biological facts of this stuff it outweighs the ideology and then you look at the Transitioning children. I mean have you ever seen any of these interviews where people go up to people and they say? Do you think that a child of 12 years old is old enough to get a tattoo? No, no, no, no, no, do you think you know they start asking? Do you think they're old enough to know their gender? Yes. Yes. Oh, oh that oh that

Yeah, okay. Puberty blockers are fine. Literally chemical castration drugs that were used on pedophiles in the past, those are fine. Those are fine to give to kids that are fucking confused. And without telling the parents, too. Yeah. The whole thing is bananas. Parents having no say about it. Yeah. I think people, in a way, do know their gender when they're young. In a way, maybe later they look back and realize that they were that way when they were either gay or...

from a place of hindsight in a way, but to let someone who is

you know, under at least 18, really, I mean, even at 18, I didn't, how much do we really know ourselves back then? And then you can't go back from that. And people are very easily influenced. Very. Yeah. And if they're taught by the people around them that they get positive reinforcement, if they go in a particular direction, people do that. I mean, how many fucking Hollywood kids, how many people in Hollywood have trans kids? And how is that possible? All of a sudden there's an epidemic of it. How is that possible? Yeah.

How is it possible? Is it just the openness that's always been there? Or is it that this is some sort of a fucking mind virus and these people are being influenced by the positive reaction they get from saying that they're LBGTQ2 plus AI, whatever the fuck it is now. It's like there's a social contagion going on and there's an aspect of that that's real. Yeah.

Yeah. These are educated people. Yeah. We're talking about. Well, that's what's nuts. Right. But educated people that are not paying attention to this thing called gender dysphoria that has always existed. How do you think we get back? How do you think we get back to being able to have an exchange of ideas and and not just.

you know, try to put the other one in jail or try to dismiss them from society. It sounds ridiculous, but I think the only way is to do what we're doing right now and to continue talking about it as reasonable people and have people listen to it. And it shapes people's opinions and things they go, yeah, they're making sense. It is reasonable. And to pretend that these psychological conditions, there's a psychological condition called autogonophilia,

where men get sexually aroused dressing up as women. But they're usually attracted to women. So now these men are pretending that they're lesbians. So they're calling themselves lesbians. They're getting on lesbian apps and lesbians are fucked.

Because now there's these men that are pretending to be lesbian that are occupying these lesbian apps have absconded their agenda And if you don't want to date them then you're transphobic and they'll attack you and it's like holy shit These are the people that were perverts in the past and now all of a sudden they're a part of a protected class and

It's very strange. It's very strange, and it's not good, and it's not sustainable. And I don't know when people are going to fully recognize the harm that they've done to all these children, that they've had mastectomies and forced...

these fucking drugs on that killed their body's ability to produce testosterone and They try to say that they're reversible. There's not there's no fucking reversing Damaging someone's puberty that's not true if you put puberty blockers in a boy that is not reversible is not true Not only is it not true There's a tremendous amount of evidence that shows that there's significant danger to taking those drugs

There's blood clots and strokes and all sorts of other and then there's a fact that natural. It's not natural Not if it's natural right even injecting them with estrogen like to so they could be their true self if you're your fucking true self Chemicals are not involved. It's not injecting chemicals are not involved in maintaining your true self. That's nonsense Yeah, it's a crazy sort of a leap a mental leap that you have to have to make that well

We've got to get back to a place. I mean, looking back at the 60s, we've always been kind of a nation, at least in this century, of experiments that go on as a society as a whole. You had the flower children back then and that whole counterculture relationship. Sure, the weather underground, all that shit. Yeah.

You knew who the leaders were. It seems to be leaderless today. You know, you had either you had Abbie Hoffman, you had the Black Panthers, we had Malcolm X, you had you knew who Martin Luther King, you had leaders of all these movements that you could have this dialogue with or this debate with. And now it's

who are the leaders of Black Lives Matter? Who are the leaders and spokesmen for this whole trans movement that's going on? And some of it is, it is political, but where are the leaders for that anymore? - Well, I think the leaders are the tech businesses. - Yeah. - I think that's what it is. I think the tech businesses have become a de facto form of government. - Yeah. - Yeah. - To me, the only motivation

of that could be control. 100%. First to control the bottom line of the money, but then the more people that you get have kind of acquiesced control over, the more your bottom line is going to go on, and then it's about power. Yeah. And I think we've been shown in this, getting back to what we were talking about before, that that really is

What is going on and what was going on in 2020, if you ask me, with with the tech companies deciding to, you know, what we were going to see and what we were going to hear.

And it's pretty much exposed and dangerous. It is dangerous. And we're not prepared for that influence. We didn't know it was going to exist before. There's no laws in place to keep it in check, which is why Google is allowed to curate the search results and why they're allowed to censor conservative voices on social media. And in fact –

One of the things we found out, like, thank God for Elon Musk, because if Elon Musk had not bought Twitter, we would not have known the extent of the government's meddling into information distribution. We wouldn't have known. They were literally trying to get them to ban legitimate news stories, and they were successful with the Hunter Byron laptop story. Mm-hmm.

But other legitimate conservative perspectives and points of view and people that were legitimate doctors and scientists that had questions about the way we're handling the pandemic. Which also turns out to be true. Yeah, which also 100 percent turned out to be true. And then when it's there is no kind of, OK, we were wrong about this and this, you know.

They just kind of dismiss it. I got in a conversation with a guy who was like, well, you know, what about you? These are not ideological issues that you're talking about when it comes to medicine, especially. Exactly. Everything gets turned into a political. That's what's crazy, that vaccines and pharmaceutical drug companies became a democratic, liberal perspective. Supporting that, like these corporations that have the biggest criminal fines in the history of medicine.

It's all these companies, these pharmaceutical drug companies for doing things that were illegal. They were fined billions of dollars. And people still wholesale bought everything they said. And if you disagreed, you were some sort of a fringe conspiracy theorist who was a danger to everyone around you. Right. I know a little bit about that because from when my twins were overdosed, when they were 12 days old with heparin.

in a hospital that turned their blood to the consistency of water. And they were off the measurable scale, in fact, for coagulation of their blood for more than 48 hours. And it was scariest moment of our lives. But really about what I learned about, we did not sue the hospital. It was a human error in that. But it was the drug company also, which was kind of liable in that the

The 10 milligram unit, the 10 unit bottle that the kids were supposed to get was light blue and that the adult was dark blue and that was 10,000. So they got 10,000 three times. Oh my God. Yeah. It was, it was horrific. But after that, you know, it was, it, uh,

I testified before Congress in the oversight committee there about what had happened. And as far as the drug companies, it's impossible to sue the drug companies just about. It's very difficult to get them to change anything. They're all located, for the most part, in Illinois. And they have that system wrapped up.

But it's, you know, everybody at the FDA, I'm going to say everybody, but there are so many people at the FDA positions that are either former employees of drug companies or future employees. Future is more likely, right? Because they know there's a golden basket waiting for them at the end of this journey. So to get any kind of results.

That's wrong in itself. And to get anything real done is clouded by self-interest. So what happened during COVID was that there's still these boys that are dropping dead at 17 of heart attacks. And it's...

People don't trust their government anymore. And that's not the same it was back in the late 70s before that election. People didn't, since Watergate, hadn't trusted their government. What's bizarre to me is that even with all the evidence of these people dropping dead, the people that are around the people dropping dead are in denial about it. Because they all advocated for a very specific thing. And when that very specific thing may be causing a bunch of deaths...

They don't want to take credit for it. They don't want to be in trouble for it. They don't want to be beholden to their –

To this idea that they had the pharmaceutical drug companies are telling you the truth and that this is the only way out of this and if you didn't do it we're all gonna die and everybody went into this with this terrible fear and because They stated that early now They're committed to it and they they're defending it because it's a part of themselves their ideas are a part of themselves and so you're seeing like the this if you look at the

Just if you look at what insurance companies are dealing with now with excess deaths, that's some of the best data that we have is excess mortality. And the excess mortality is extraordinary. At any other time in history, if there was a thing that was rolled out where all of a sudden everybody's taking it and all of a sudden you have this amazing increase in excess deaths.

And cancers that are what they're calling turbo cancer. And if you listen to Peter McCullough, he explains how this could be causing that, that the mRNA vaccines could be causing these turbo cancers. Yeah, because it actually changes our molecular structure down to the chromosomes and the DNA. It's a man-made thing, which is affecting our body in a bad way. Yeah, and...

It's killing people that took it, that were advocating for it, that were tech people. There's tech people that are dropping dead left and right. And they're still on this bandwagon. And they're still letting the CDC saying you should vaccinate anyone under 12. Like, what the fuck are you talking about? Right. What are you talking about? This is insane. It was never dangerous for kids. My kids got it and they were over it in a couple of days. It was nothing.

Yeah, I got the vaccine twice. I had to when we were doing Reagan. We were shooting the movie. So it's still at that point and it was required in order to work. Did you have any side effects?

um no but you know i do know and i i actually got covid when we were uh of course shooting reagan during the assassination scene actually oh really yeah no we're working in a basement we had like 50 extras you know and it was just oh of course it did just about everybody got it but i had i had a bad i was lucky it hit my it hit me in the guts instead of the lungs and i i had 104 temperature for uh nights but uh

You know, I was over it in a couple of weeks. And then, you know, getting the vaccine, I did have kind of a reaction to that, like a little mini version. But I've noticed that when I get a cold now, it's harder to get over. Everything's a little bit harder to get over now. Yeah. And I don't think it's just me. I have friends, you know, we talk about it. And the same thing is going on. It just...

And, you know, it coming from China and all that, you know, what could have happened is could have been an exchange, a real exchange of how it had really happened.

And what the process was of how it happened to make sure that it doesn't happen again or to during the research of the vaccine to put that out where it could have helped there as well. There's no – it just winds up being – everybody lines up on the side of ideology. I mean I wonder if –

Trump does come into office, are they going to say, oh, I won't take Trump's vaccine again? Well, that's how it was. Even Kamala Harris was saying that. Yeah, she was saying, I'm not going to take his vaccine when it comes out. Then as soon as they got into office, the very same vaccine, they said, yes, we should take our vaccine. Yeah, it's nuts. Yeah. Yeah.

Very bizarre. That's one of the things that's so interesting because we have more access to information now than we've ever had in all of human history. And yet people are more divided by ideology than they are by facts than any other time in history. A lot of it has to do, I think, with cable news too. People have separated themselves. I myself, I watch all of them.

You know, on DirecTV, there's Channel 200 where you got like six boxes and you can watch all the news. And it flipped back and forth. And it's like watching a different story. Right. A completely different story where you go. It's somewhere in the middle there is the real thing. One of my favorite moments was when Joy Reid was comparing Biden getting COVID and to Trump getting shot.

Yeah. Yeah. He got over COVID. Right. Over. No, he got over 2024 COVID, which is basically a fucking cough. Yeah. And Reagan. I mean, excuse me, Trump got shot in the fucking head. Yeah. It only grazed his ear. But that was just a miraculous turn of the head. Yeah. The exact right moment. Incredible. Which is another shrapnel, actually, or.

Is that what they think? Maybe it kicks up and dusts up. I don't know. I'm just starting something new. Well, there's a literal photo of the bullet passing by his head. Yeah. But there were a lot of people that denied that he even got shot. They were saying, oh. Actually, there was three that came very close to him. Yes. There's a second one on the left side of his head. One was just an inch away from that one, too. Yeah.

What would be the situation? Civil War. Yeah. Yeah, it could have very well been Civil War. I'm afraid it could have been. Yeah, those Trump people would have fucking loaded up their pickup trucks. Do you think they would have done a more thorough investigation now if he had? No, because that's – listen, this is Lee Harvey Oswald all over again, but less complicated.

Or actually more complicated, right? Because this is a very young kid. How did they get to him? We don't know anything about him. We don't know why he was willing to do this. We don't know. We also know he's a registered Republican, which is crazy. Well, you know, one could be swayed from that. Sure. Sure. Especially at 20. Yeah. You know, like who fucking knows what happened. And they're going to have to get another Republican in there just, you know, but, uh,

Yeah, I've been reading this unspoken – I forgot the author's name. But it was endorsed by RFK Jr. about the assassination of his uncle, the president, John Kennedy. And it takes every piece of information that is known and puts it in a book and tells a story from it. And

It was our government, I think, that killed Kennedy. And through the CIA, the dark forces within our government. And if that can happen, then how about today? Of course. Yeah. Sure. Who's running things? The only thing you can draw is...

Conclusion you can draw is it's got to be something like that. Only I can't understand why the CIA would want us out of Afghanistan that way or, you know, why –

All the other stuff is going on. But I guess, again, that's for control. Yeah, it's for control. But it's also so multilayered and so hard to figure out what's going on. I mean, we know that they had MKUltra in the 1960s. They did mind control experiments on people. Yeah. And the idea that they just stopped that is silly. Yeah. That's silly. They went further. That's silly.

That's how we got all those other drugs that were turned up at parties, right? Well, it's part of it. What was that – this guy, Norman Oler, he wrote about drugs during the Third Reich and about how they experimented with LSD on concentration camp prisoners and all the stuff that they were giving –

Hitler, like while he was in the middle and all of a sudden they were getting the Nazis. They were giving the Nazis meth. Yeah. They were all on meth. It was crystal meth, in fact, that –

They were so fanatical and going out there and staying up for days. That was essential to the Blitzkrieg. You can't stop and take a nap over that. You've got to keep on rolling down the road like a trucker. Yep. Wild, out of their fucking minds. And Norman was explaining that they had different levels of meth that they would give to the people at the front lines. The guys that ran the tanks had the most meth.

So they're just jacked out of their fucking minds, just storming through the night. Yeah. And then the French were drinking wine. They're just like hanging out, drinking. They got like a liter of wine, three quarters of a liter of wine a day as a ration. So they're drunk in the streets. And then the Nazis come through on meth, which is a way better drug for war. Yeah. Wine is a terrible drug. They just went right past that Maginot line like nothing flat. Yeah.

Fucking nuts, man. Really crazy. Nuts. Three days through Poland. The whole thing is insane. But that they...

took that knowledge from the Nazis and they started applying it and then they started using some of those drugs and using these MK ultra experiments and the idea that they stopped that and they don't do that now well what happened with this kid I did they do an autopsy did they find there's any chemicals in this kid's body we don't know we haven't heard a fucking peep we have not heard a single press conference the first thing that I would have done

But besides like try to figure out how the fuck this kid was on the roof for 30 minutes without anybody doing anything, how he got a rifle there, how he got a ladder there, how the snipers didn't shoot him, how they didn't go up there and take him out before this happened. Secret Service was supposed to be in those windows. I mean, they had a, you know,

a fantastic look at him yeah but they were downstairs drinking coffee or whatever the hell they were well not only that a lot of those people are department of homeland security they weren't even secret service weren't even lined up and who runs the department of homeland security

The whole thing's nuts. It's nuts because I would have wanted to know what that kid was on. I guarantee there was some sort of psychotropic medicine involved. There was something involved. I do not think if you're going to

Let's assume that someone trained him, told him how to do this. Let's assume this wasn't a young 20-year-old kid with very sophisticated detonators and remote controls and all these different things that we know that he possessed. Had this rifle, brought the rifle onto the roof.

Also, why did he have iron sights? That's baffling to me. Who was his gun instructor? There were a lot of federal officers over there who went to training. I'm not saying that any of them were like the ones. They probably had no idea what he was going to do. Anybody in this country, we have the Second Amendment. Anyone can go and learn how to shoot a gun. There's courses you can take. I've taken them. You can go and learn how to shoot guns. Exactly. But no one's going to think he's good. You wind up...

having kind of a mentor with things like that. Yeah. It's just like if you learn how to fight box, you know, you wind up having somebody who kind of becomes your mentor. Yes. You know, and that's how you get kind of indoctrinated into... Right. Where's that guy? Where is that guy? Yeah. You know, the kid was really smart. He won all the science fairs, from what I understand. So he was very adept at all that. But it's too...

to get into the there's still some stuff supposedly that's encrypted that they can't touch like you know with sources over to europe and or whatever what they're saying and we don't know i don't know what i'm talking about that because with that because it's only been inferred but what are they doing why are they not just inferred why are they not still on it like a daily thing with like

nightline daily reports about it. Why didn't they test his blood? Why didn't they tell us whether or not he was on any kind of medication? Were there ties to Iran? Or to China? Or to Russia? Or to Venezuela? Where...

How is it just memory hold? Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. It's crazy. The whole thing's crazy. And then there's like allegations of second gunman, which is always the case with any kind of assassination. Yeah, of course. The thing that would have been horrific if he had won, if he had successfully shot Trump, if he killed him and then they killed him.

That would have been it. Yeah. It would have no idea what happened. And they probably would have memory hold it all the exact same way they did it now. And then they would have said the country has to heal and move on. Right. And yeah, our long national nightmares. Yeah. Language like that. You know, what if what if the kid just been wounded?

Right. I don't think he would have made it to jail alive. They weren't. They weren't going to move. They had a clear shot on that kid. I'm just amazed that they let him get off those shots. That's just the craziest thing to me, that they knew he was there. How did you see him running across the roof while Trump is speaking? He had a fucking range finder.

Yeah, like I use in golf. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were quite good. I use in archery. Yeah. Yeah, he wanted to know what the yardage was so he could hold for a particular height. Right. But I don't understand the iron sights thing. The only thing that makes me- What are iron sights? Okay, so rifles either have a scope, which is a magnification scope, which is extremely accurate, but you have to adjust it.

Or they can have iron sights. And iron sights are like, oh, you have a pistol. A pistol is two forks in the back. Between the two forks. Those are called iron sights. Yes. I thought he did have a scope. He didn't have a scope? I don't believe he did. I don't believe he did. See if that's been proven because there's a photograph of the gun. And the gun, it looks...

very clear from the photograph that it does not have a scope on it. Scope is, you know, it's a large tube that sits on the top of the rifle and you have to adjust that scope. It takes a little doing to even attach that.

Does it not? I mean, some can click in, but I would imagine you really have to. It's not that complicated. You could do it, and then you would need to go to a range and sight it in. The problem with scope would be that if things are getting jostled around and knocked around, if you bang the scope on something,

it can get moved just a fraction of a millimeter to the left or to the right. And then your zero point at whatever he's got it zeroed at, if it's a hundred yards or 150 yards, it's going to be off. Yeah, exactly. The distance will get further away. Yes. So you have to probably redo it. I've had personal experience with that. I was on a deer hunt. I fell with a rifle and I fell going up a snowy slope and, uh,

the rifle got banged and my scope was off by like six inches at a hundred yards yeah so i could see how maybe but that was because my scope wasn't tightened somebody had not tightened it down properly i could see how maybe you would say iron sights because it's not that far of a shot because i've practiced with the iron sights right now the iron sights that that's not going to be it's

One factor you can take out that is not going to be a variable. Exactly. With some competition shooters, the old school guys, they don't like red dots because they want to use iron sights because it's so reliable. As long as you can line it up correctly, as long as you have proper technique and you're accustomed to it, it's not going to move. It's not going to go left or right. And you can actually see everything around you even better than –

Then looking through us. Yeah, but if you look through a scope you get magnification so you can put that crosshair right right on it and then 150 yards with a magnification and a scope that's on that's an easy shot really easy It's very easy, especially in a prone position like he was on the top of a roof Yeah, but there's so many questions. How the fuck did they let him do that? How'd they let him get up there? What kind of security breach is involved and how about the lady who was in charge of Secret Service? She didn't want step down

Yeah, what was that? The whole thing is insane. I mean, she didn't even go to the site. Even a week later, she went to, you know, before Congress to explain some things, and she hadn't even been to the site. Yeah, it's bonkers. And the guy, the head agent not being fired, you know, it's like he wasn't available for comment because he's still part of the, you know, he's still running the investigation. Yeah.

This is the guy who's responsible for all this happening, and he's the one that's running the investigation. Are you out of your mind? The whole thing's crazy. It's crazy. And it's going to be a footnote in history that people are going to be baffled by, just like they're baffled by the JFK assassination. Well, because he wasn't killed and his head didn't blow up in front of – on national television. It's – yeah, it's just that. It's just a footnote. It's not like –

They got him missed.

Yeah. That's all I can say. I know. Thank God he missed. Who knows what would have happened to the country. So there's the gun. So I'm looking at that gun right now, and that gun to me looks like it has iron sights. This is why I say that. You see the handle at the bottom? You see the magazine? So the handle is in the far... That's the magazine where you're at, the further one forward. And the one behind it, that's the handle. And then you see above, those are iron sights. So there's no scope on it. Unless... Oh, so that is a... That thing... It's kind of a... As far as regular sights go, that's...

Those are a little bigger than the regular sighting on a rifle. Right, because it's an AR. It's an AR rifle. So maybe that's a red dot. Maybe it's a miniature red dot. You mean they're in the middle above the magazine? But it just doesn't look like it. It looks like...

And that's not a scope. Someone on that picture said that the iron sights were set up at a 90 degree angle. So like it could be shot from prone. So like sideways. You know, I can't tell. Well, it's hard. I mean, you had the yeah, the cops like carrying the rifle down the hallway. So everybody, the whole public could see it. Right. The murder weapon. Right. And, you know, this is what Americans have gotten used to.

They've gotten used to the idea that we're not allowed to see information that we have a right to see as a public. This country is supposedly – we're the boss. The people are. And we deserve information so that we can make a decision about it or we can have the people that we've elected make a decision about it by giving them the power to do so.

given to them by us. Right. And now we get information is either distorted or it's fake or it's just withheld. Yeah. And, you know, withheld and like that's just the way things are. People have gotten used to that idea. Yeah. And that's how we lose our country and our republic. Right. That's how we lose it. Yeah.

See, Google whether or not there's a definitive answer as to whether or not he had iron sights. I can't. I can't. I found nothing. That's so crazy that we don't know. I don't know where to look either, but I didn't find any updates. Just Google this. Did the Trump shooter have a scope on his rifle? 100% did it. Did Thomas Crook's rifle have a scope? And what does it say? I mean, nothing. I would have found the answer. I didn't wait. From people that I've talked to. They always kind of portray it in the...

In the coverage after it was kind of, at least at first, portrayed as like a rifle with a scope in a couple of places. I thought it did have a scope. It's possible that it's a very small miniature scope. But like a red dot, like on a pistol, generally doesn't have magnification. It's just the dot. What was he doing with the – here's another question.

Those explosive devices, I think, which were in the car. Yeah. What were they for? Right. And how did he learn how to do that?

Like, where do you get those when you're 20 years old? When you're 20 years old, you can't even get... Like I said, he won science fairs. I think he was quite adept at getting that info. Well, wouldn't we know that this kid had Google searched how to use explosive devices and figured out how to get the detonators and figured out how to wire it, how he learned? We don't know anything. Sure. We don't know anything about this kid. A fertilizer bomb and all that. So what were they for? Right. What were they for? He had to have an intent for that. Right. And...

You can figure it out even though he's he's not here you could figure out an intent, you know Certainly wasn't to get away. Otherwise, he would have had him on him, right? Do you think he thought he was gonna survive? I mean was it a suicide run for this kid? That's why I want to know what drugs was he on we don't have any Toxicology report on this kid, right which is crazy. That is crazy. They have it for every school shooter Yeah the government the people

entitled to know the toxicology report. Jim Belushi died, and they told everybody his toxicology report within three weeks for it to come back. It's because he died of it, right? He died of an overdose. Yeah, but still. I'm talking about the right to privacy versus the public's right to know. Yeah. Well, in this particular situation,

Situation the right to know is imperative. Yeah, like you have to is there something that was given to this kid that made him do something that insane and

Because there are things that they can give you that will completely distort your understanding of reality, which is why they gave the Nazis meth. Yeah. This is the whole reason for it because you would do wild shit when you're hopped up on amphetamines. Yeah. You can give somebody Klonopin and start this anxiety and you don't know whether you're –

you could make one decision one minute and angst about it the next. Right. And be very influenced. Right. There's a...

Also, the idea that we know all the psychotropic drugs that the government is experimenting on, that's ridiculous, too. Well, I experimented with them a couple of times. What would you think? Not all of them, though. Since 1990, they got some stuff coming out now. Well, you got off the cocaine train at the exact right time, you know, because now you're literally rolling the dice with fentanyl. Yeah, fentanyl. But it's...

It's, you know, it hasn't always been like this, the way you're, you and I are talking. And it's been a very, very long time since it seems that common sense prevailed in the end in this country. And I so want it back for not just, and I'm not even talking about having everything go the way I want it to go.

You know, it's to get back to a time when whoever was in the White House and who and at least we were a people that could at least agree 70 percent of the time. And I think we are a people that agree 70 percent of the time as a whole. But it's.

That's impossible now. Right. We're being manipulated too much. And most people are just not savvy enough to understand the effect of this manipulation, which is – I think that's a big factor we're experiencing. There's just a lot of people that aren't even aware of all the things that we're talking about. There's a lot of people out there that think, oh, Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. Lone gunman, crazy guy. Well, I thought that for a very long time myself. Really? Yeah. After about 12 years.

15 years. It started to sound like conspiracy theories to me and stuff. And then I completely switched over again because of evidence, really, that's coming out. And I really want to see the rest of the files. And why are they not releasing the files? I know Trump released a bunch of them, but I guess there's people living...

Yeah. That. Well, there's also the complete erosion of faith in the intelligence agencies. If it turns out that the CIA did kill JFK or that they were involved in the killing of JFK and it could be proven, which is what Tucker Carlson's been saying, if that is the truth, that would be –

I mean, it would throw the whole country into a tailspin. We wouldn't know what the fuck to do. Because if you really found out that in 1963 they organized an assassination on the president, pulled it off, killed him, lied to the public, published this bullshit Warren Commission report, tried to pass off this nonsense of the magic bullet, all that stuff. All that stuff. Well, John Foster Dulles, who ran the CIA, they had been –

They just pulled off one a month before with Diem in South Vietnam where he was assassinated and Kennedy was shot. And then the Warren report, he was the head of the CIA, was the head of the... Yeah, Dulles, Alan Dulles. Yeah, Alan Dulles of the... I said John Foster. Alan Dulles was the head of...

The Warren Commission which is it not because Kennedy had fired him Yeah, which is he fired him because that he was doing things behind his back And so then that guy becomes the head of the Warren Commission report and then Gerald Ford Also on the Warren Commission report then takes over when Nixon gets kicked out of office, right? And then you find out through I mean Tucker Carlson explained it to us that the whole Nixon thing was essentially an FBI CIA op to get Nixon out of office and

And Nixon was apparently very interested in finding out who had shot JFK. Yeah. And also the Vietnam War that was going on. The CIA was very – in fact, that's kind of where it started, along with the Bay of Pigs.

which Kennedy inherited. That was an operation going on. But the Cuban Missile Crisis was another one. Kennedy having actually a secret dialogue with Khrushchev that was going on that I guess today they would call collusion. I don't know. But they were making great progress in that. But Vietnam, he had gotten the Russians to agree to make Laos a neutral country in that. And

We had American GIs, you know, even before it was an actual war, which it never was, but getting killed over there. And Kennedy was wanting to do the same thing with Vietnam, have it be a neutral country and was making progress with Khrushchev in a way towards that. But the CIA's involvement...

They openly – and there were the joint chiefs in meetings. Kennedy had lost control of his – of the joint chiefs and decisions that were being made there. They were totally going against him. And I believe too that it was the CIA that took him out because of –

their agenda and the mood that was in the country. It's crazy. The whole thing's crazy. It's crazy to look back on it and think about it. And even the fact that we know now for a fact that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was a false flag, which is what got us into Vietnam in the first place, and that no one went to jail for that. Yeah, when Johnson came in, I don't think Johnson was involved in the assassination of Kennedy, but when Johnson did come in, he had a different kind of...

bend on that and said, you guys will get your war right after the election, is what he told the Joint Chiefs, because they really wanted it. And lo and behold, after he was elected, the Gulf of Tonkin incident happens, and away you go. Away you go. Yeah. It's wild. And then we're dealing with a more sophisticated, much better concealed version of that apparatus right now. Yes. That's what we're

That's what this book really got me to thinking. Okay, if all this was going on then...

how much more sophisticated is it now? Right. Especially after 9-11 when we just handed them the keys to be able... The CIA was created by Truman. They haven't just been around. It was created by Truman and they were supposed to be... Do you act as foreign agents in other countries? And they were basically given, you know, like James Bond, license to kill and do what... Also the license to lie before Congress. Yeah.

they were given to keep things secret as they could. And Truman came to like, not even a year after you'd created it, came to regret it at that. He'd even created that, that office because of it turns into a government within a government that is, you know, deciding that has its fingers in every pie, especially, you know, the military and, um, uh, dangerous place. Kennedy himself was, you know,

Wanted to get rid of the CIA, in fact. And so later after 9-11, we just really gave them the keys to the kingdom because they were, you know, you're allowed in the homeland to do the same thing. And then the Patriot Act and NDAA, all those different things that gave them the ability to spy on people. And then what we found from Edward Snowden about the NSA and all of it.

It's just wild stuff, man. And most people aren't even aware of it. That's what's really crazy. Yeah, I mean, you go to what we were told about with Iraq before we went in there and the weapons of mass destruction and the like, which everybody believed, no matter what side you were on. Right. So— It's pretty crazy. Yeah. And it's literally what Truman was warning everybody about when he left office. Yeah. Yeah.

That famous speech about the military industrial complex. Well, that was Eisenhower. I'm sorry. Yeah, Eisenhower came in and gave that same speech and had a meeting with Kennedy about the – beware the military industrial establishment. Especially Eisenhower because he was such a respected person. So for him to say that –

But it was one of those things that you say it on television, people hear it, and then you never saw it again because it wasn't the time where there was the internet. There was no one watching that clip on YouTube saying, what the fuck is he saying? Yeah, what was he talking about? Exactly. Yeah, well, Kennedy's speech at the American University, which was about peace and about the Soviet Union and the United States learning to live together –

The test ban treaty came out of that, which was hardly covered in the news actually back then because everybody was so pro-war. I mean, I grew up – we were getting under our school desk. Like at least once every two weeks in case of a nuclear war, it was going to happen. I lived within the circle of zone in Houston there that the Cubans were going to send –

Send the missiles. I got kept home from school. It was happening. We lived with that until Reagan, the Pope, and Valenza, along with Margaret Thatcher, ended the Cold War. And, you know, it's...

But I digress. I remember those days. I remember those days in school where they would make you do drills. And they would play videos showing you how to get under your desk. Yeah. Because that's going to protect you from a fucking nuclear bomb. Yeah. A desk. Yeah. That's... We were terrified. Like, we grew up with an existential fear of a nuclear war with Russia. Yeah. And it was...

It was real. There was about a 90 percent chance that it was going to happen, especially during the 60s. And then again, with the Carter administration and into Reagan, because we'd appeased them. We'd given them away, given away so much. And they were building their military up. And it was real.

It really was like a chess game. But there was a very – there was a hawk, the pro-war, the survivability after a nuclear attack was a big topic. Sure. Let's talk to Strangelove. Yeah, like Curtis LeMay, one of the joint chiefs who was a big admiral during the –

During World War II and ran the Pacific campaign, basically. But, you know, he was saying, well, you know, we could survive this. You know, 50 million people, yes, would be killed, but we will survive. Survive to what? That was the mentality. Isn't that crazy? That's how much they wanted to defeat communism. Right. And it's literally a comedy. And Dr. Strangelove, him explaining that. Yes. It's literally a comedy because people are like, what? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I encourage anybody to watch that movie. Fordation Mandrake. Yeah. It's crazy. They were like, well, we might lose 50 million people. We'll be okay. We'll still have 100. Yeah. Yeah.

We might lose out a third of the country. Because back then, that was probably the population, right? It was probably 150 million. It was about 150 million back then. So a third would be gone. Plus, yeah, Strangelove is such a great movie to still watch. Yeah. They had the tunnels they had built ahead of time. Yep. And I think it was like eight females to one male. Yeah.

So we can continue to make babies. So we can repopulate very quickly. What the fuck? Or how about no war, guys? How about that? Is that possible? Is it possible to just fucking make friends with everybody? Jesus Christ, can't we all get along? It's a big-ass world. Is there a way to do this without killing hundreds of millions of people, you fucking idiots? Rodney King, actually, he was right. Can't we all just get along? Because that's the first thing that comes up in my mind these days. Yeah. Can't we all just get along? Yeah. Isn't that nuts?

Rodney King, voice of reason. Yeah. Yeah. Voice of reason. And Ronald Reagan. Well, yeah. Ronald Reagan, if you listen to his speeches today, he's incredibly reasonable.

I mean, we were told, like, I grew up in a very liberal household, and Reagan was the bad guy. Like, everybody hated Reagan, trickled down economics. It's bad for the country. It's a bunch of greedy people. Warmonger. Yeah. Let them control the country. You listen to him talk now. You know, one of the great speeches he gave in front of the UN, it...

Really got all the crazy UFO conspiracy theories Those good those guys went nuts because he said how quickly we would put aside our differences We were faced from an alien threat from outside this world. It's a great perspective because it's so true. It's so true We come together like that. Yeah, and we should be a community on a planet and it is possible that

in an alternative universe with different circumstances that we could have evolved into a community. And it's possible, I think, in the future if big tech and these ideologies don't get a hold of us, we can communicate as individuals and realize that

Most of our differences are bullshit and most of what's going on is the battle of control over resources and if instead Human beings had the ability to communicate with each other and have real true access to information and know exactly what's going on and be able to relay what their concerns and needs are Most people just want to be happy instead of keeping secrets. Yes, you know, it's the keeping of secrets, you know from them It's and then I mean Kennedy himself was

He wanted for the Russians, the Soviets, to join our space program and do a joint venture to send a man to the moon. That's where he'd come to. This was during the test ban treaty because, you know, it's the rocket secrets and all the rest of that stuff. Can you imagine putting their minds and our minds together and doing this as a joint venture? Yeah.

There would have to be relinquishing of secrets because it's military. That's why of course it all they wouldn't allow that to happen right? But once you start doing that didn't and having that shared a technology without keeping secrets from each other that's That's where people and nations do come together because we don't mistrust each other because we're armed We're armed because we mistrust each other right right and

And that's what Reagan said to Gorbachev in Vienna, which got the conversation going. Yeah. And... Well, now there's the same conversations going on right now with AI.

Because AI weaponry and the ability to have weapons that don't rely at all on human interaction. No people making decisions or pressing buttons. Completely powered by AI. If that happens, this is a very, very dangerous situation. Again, Dr. Strangelove down there. No morals, no ethics. And this mad race is, again, this is the height of tech, right? Because you have tech people that are...

communicating about things to Congress where the people that are asking the questions really have no understanding of what these guys are doing or what's really possible and what's capable. And there's problems because they lose information, like information gets stolen. And they're dealing with that right now. They think that China has access to the top level AI that we're producing right now.

Right. There's a real concern about that.

AI is – it does scare me. But then, you know, it's called progress and there is no going back from progress. No. That's what we do. We just got to keep up. Yeah. We really got to keep up now. How do you keep up with that though? That's the question. Everything happened so much faster that it – they had a little – they had a kind of a running start with nuclear –

Nuclear bombs, you know, and that because it took a while to develop over time. And now things come along so quickly. And, you know, the more we know, the more we can know. And it's a scary world.

So, is the reluctance that people have to allow, like, the resistance against this Reagan film, do you think it's just a resistance about conservatism in general? Or is it the idea that you're going to change people's perceptions about history? Because there's a lot of people, again, that have this very peripheral, low information view of who Reagan was.

And so they want to have this negative spin on Reagan in history because he's a conservative. I think, you know, Reagan was a great president. And I think it gets perceived and compared to Trump, you know, because there are comparisons to Trump and the things that you get down to policy. There's, you know, there's a really good comparison to Trump. And maybe they see this as

influencing an election by you know by that comparison or whatever but

You know, it's a free society here. It's about ideas we're able to express and we're able to, like, make up your own mind about it rather than deciding for people about what it was. And the Reagan movie is not about ideology at all. I mean, Reagan was a Democrat for 40 years until the last 40 years of his life, or 35, he was a Republican. And...

It's about the Cold War and about his fight against communism. And, you know, we won the Cold War under Reagan. And it was before that.

appeasement had been practiced in this country. Jimmy Carter, God bless him, you know, he did really well with the Egyptians and Israel in making peace in the Middle East. It was great about that. He wasn't so great with the Iran hostage thing. You remember the foiled, disastrous rescue attempt back then. It seemed like

Everything failed. But with the Soviets, he had appeased it like – gave away the B-1 bomber. He gave away a lot of things without getting anything in return from the Soviets as far as reducing the threat of –

of war and they took that of course as weakness and started to really build up their military to and their missile strength to an unprecedented level. Americans were

There's a lot about America that it's kind of sweet in a way that, you know, the kumbaya thing, you know, why can't all, why can't we be friends and just, you know, the humanity. That's the good hearted thing.

fantastic thing about America, but that's not the way the world works. We're all a product of the way that we grew up. We've basically grown up in this country with relative safety and we have a nation that has had laws that form of law and you do things the right way and the wrong way of what you consider, but can you imagine what it was like for Saddam to grow up in Iraq?

or Chi or Putin and the way they grew up, that makes them the way they are. And the Russian people had grown up the same way. So you start to get a sense of how the rest of the world doesn't operate on the same rules that we are. They actually have a more realistic way of looking at things, the way man has actually been from the tribal stage on.

You know, you got the water and we want the water. We don't want to share it. We want it ours. Because you'll piss in it and it'll destroy it. So we want it for ourselves. But Reagan came along and, you know, he had the idea to bankrupt them, to make them spend. Star Wars, he came out with Star Wars. He really got that name from the movie Star.

The whole Star Wars thing, which is now the Patriot defense system over in Israel, it didn't exist at that time. It was decades away from it. But he made the Russians think at least 10 percent that it might be real. Reagan even offered to share it with them, you know, in exchange for let's take our missiles down to zero. And, you know.

I got mad at him in Iceland when I thought he was acting like an old codger because they came up and said, we're offering you this, you know, half the missiles or this or that. And he said, no, because they wanted us to get rid of Star Wars, which didn't exist. I said, well, you know, you have to get rid of Star Wars. And if we'd done that, the Soviets would have just gone on their merry way and died.

been doing what they would have had been doing. But Reagan said no. And the Soviet Union came toppling down, but it was great progress that he made. And it took a cold warrior, hard-assed cold warrior, to be able to negotiate with them. And that's what we don't have today. Right. Yeah. How much research did you have to do on Reagan before you did this film? Did you...

Did you do a deep dive? Yeah. Well, for one thing, I lived through it. I remember every single thing because even back then, I was a big news wonk even though I had three channels, three news channels. And also, when I was offered the part, he was my favorite president, okay? And I didn't say yes. I didn't say no. He's like Muhammad Ali. He's

known, you know, all over the world. People know what he looks like, sounds like, and the like. And I didn't want to do an impression impersonation like Saturday Night Live because when I play a real person, I want to play it from their point of view.

And sometimes that means warts and all, you know, not just like what you did, but what are your insecurities? What do you really care about? How did you feel when you got jilted? You know, or whatever that make us up who we are in the end. And it took me a long time to say yes, but I went to, I got invited to the Reagan Ranch, which was the Western White House back then. And

When Reagan died, some friends bought it and left it exactly as it is. He and Nancy's clothes are in the closet. Whoa. Yeah. You expect them to come back. They didn't change a thing. And the only guy that was up there was John Bartlett, who was Reagan's Secret Service guy he rode with, rode horses with every day. So they go up five miles of the worst road in California and get to the top of the mountain, come through the gate, and

i could feel him i could just feel him in every square inch that place you know and i could feel he was a humble guy his his library with every book is that a big bookcase with every book going back to like nine years old the printer of udell is there and and uh and they had a king-size bed but it was two single beds zip tied together huh the house is 1100 square feet you know maybe two rooms of this

And very simple. And, you know, this is the Western Winehouse. All the, you know, the appliances are GE because he was a spokesman for GE back then. And he bought that place after he was governor. But either he didn't have much money or he was really cheap. Or he wanted to live simple. Yeah, he knew how to live simply. It was this person. I felt him. And then, you know, in the research, he was an actor.

And he had a sunny—we both have sunny dispositions, too, I think, naturally. But I don't think—one of the things about Reagan is I don't think he ever got to where he wanted to get as an actor, I think was one of the disappointments for him. And, you know, his career was going towards at the end when he married Jane Wyman, who, you know, who won an Academy Award, like, boom.

the next year and I think his self-esteem was was actually pretty low at that point because he was looking for a purpose in his life that he never found until he got the he ran for and was elected vice president of the Screen Actors Guild and then president of the Screen Actors Guild and that's not a job that anybody as an actor you aspire to be right right but it's like when

God shuts a door, he opens a window somewhere. And this was his entry into politics. And that's where that road started. And at the time that he was president, the Soviet Union, they found the files after they fell, by the way, in the Soviet Union. They were trying to infiltrate the media, of course, into movies and through the unions.

to, uh, for control of that. And that was his in earnest, uh, uh, I mean, there were fistfights in union halls over it that he was, that he was involved in. And, uh,

He did a lot of great. The reason we actors have great health insurance is because of Ronald Reagan, by the way. Really? Yeah. No kidding. In fact, that happened in, I think it was 60 or 61. And he wasn't even president of the Screening Actors Guild then. He had been, I think, like six years later, it termed it run out. But he came back and got that ramp through because that was the right thing to do. That was when he was a Democrat.

Wow. Yeah. He got us. I mean, we have the best health insurance of any union I can think of. And that was because of Ronald Reagan. That's wild. Yeah. The whole film industry is in deep trouble with AI. That's going to be a real problem. That's going to decimate jobs. Or it could be a future source of revenue for my kids and grandkids and grandparents.

After that, well, if they want Dennis Quaid to do a movie, they could just create it. Oh, that's true. That is true. Well, didn't Bruce Willis sign off on something like that? I think he signed off on allowing them to use it because Bruce obviously has a horrible condition, aphasia. Yeah. And he can't act anymore. Yeah. And I think he signed off on digital rights for something, some limited aspect of that. Mm-hmm. I was... Gosh, it was...

What is the name of that – the boy band thing that's a dirty – it's a documentary about the guy, Peterson, I think, that started the boy bands.

They had a documentary on him. No, Bruce Willis didn't sell his likeness to a deepfake company. That's a deepfake. Initial reports. So what did he do? They did something like that, but the company didn't own his likeness or anything. He did a commercial or something. Oh, so he only signed off on this one thing? Yeah. Oh, so they're saying that he signed off. Interesting. Well, anyway, this documentary, they take this guy...

And they take old footage of him and they put other words in his mouth talking to the camera. And you believe it. I mean, it's seamless. Right. You can't – so, yeah, it is scary in that way. It also can be used for great things as well. We can –

For computing ability, that would take years and years to take a couple of minutes. Or if you're making a movie and you want to – you can go out in an empty stadium and just create a crowd that doesn't look like cutout pictures. Which was – I think, of course, it takes away extras.

You know, ability to earn a living, but it also means that you can make like a $4 billion movie instead of a $40 billion movie. Right. You know, and get smaller movies and more people have access to making movies. That's true. You know? That's one way of looking at it. So it's – Also, it might eliminate actors.

That's possible, too. Well, that wouldn't be such a bad idea. As long as I can play golf and somebody else comes to the set digitally, okay. Do you think that expressing your conservative viewpoints and doing this film on Reagan, do you think this ultimately has the potential to hurt your career? I don't care anymore.

There was a time that I was kind of concerned to kind of like speak my mind or speak up. But in this really in the last couple of years that I feel it's really important that we do all of us speak up. In this election, everybody's got to choose a side. And we have to in order to have this exchange of ideas and dialogue, we have to speak up.

And so, like I said, what I was doing, Reagan, there was a story that came out that I was taking money from the CDC, $400,000. You know, the Trump administration had arranged so I could do a commercial for the vaccine that was coming out, none of which was true. But, you know, it's like...

My son even called me like freaking out, you know, because it was just like I was going to get canceled over this stuff because I was taking, I guess, taxpayer money from the CDC, you know, making money off this. None of it was true. Where did it come from? Did they find a source? I really have no idea. And something gets circulated in social media. So I really don't know. But yeah.

And I remember when Trump, when COVID first started, I think it was Politico that I did a phone conversation with because I was involved with this podcast company that we were promoting. And it just happened to be COVID. And the guy asked me what I thought about the way Trump was handling the pandemic.

the, the COVID. And I said, well, at least he's there every day, you know, he's there every day trying to do something. And I think when it comes to things like this, we need to get behind our president as a whole, you know, to come together to fight this thing, just like, you know, just like Franklin Roosevelt getting behind, you know, during World War, at the start of World War II in order to, well, anyway, that became that I was a

you know, right-wing Trumpster and that, you know, supposedly in danger of getting canceled over that. And then I also gave a speech about Reagan to the group in Florida after we'd made the movie. And I think there were two people that were January 6th. People just happened to be there. And by association, you know, that was going to be, my agents called me like freaking out over Reagan.

over that. They were like, "Oh, it's gonna be canceled." They're just like being told to, you know, just be quiet and let things go by, you know? And, um, no.

I just can't. I'm not a very good rule follower to begin with, you know. It's just one of those faults I've had. Good for you. Yeah, but... I think that kind of makes you a good actor, too. Well, I just... It's a rebellious nature. Yeah, well, maybe that's debatable, but it's... There's a lot of rebellious people I know who are really bad actors. But... Touche, yeah, there's a lot of that. Yeah. But I just...

I don't know. I think we all have kind of an obligation, you want to call it, or a duty or whatever. We're citizens of America. We're citizens of the United States. The country is ours. It's the people of the United States who are supposed to run things. And so we have to speak out.

I hated when actors spoke out about politics. I remember the days like Richard Dreyfuss or, you know, whoever would, you know, talk shows. And it always just sounded like so stupid because, of course, they didn't know anything. But so what little I know, I do have to speak out about. And I'm sorry, Richard, for saying that about you. But you...

He's very vocal now. Yeah, he always has been. But, you know, just if they have the right to go on TV and talk about how – I've seen several actors go on there and talk about how Biden is – I saw him. He was in great shape. But I have the right to go on and –

And talk about that I'm voting for Trump because, you know, people might call him an asshole, but he's my asshole. Yeah. Well, we don't have the best choices today.

You know, it's interesting that we put so much weight on famous people. We put so much weight on their opinion and perspectives on things. We want a guy like George Clooney to be out there endorsing Kamala Harris and talking about the threat to democracy that is Donald Trump and all that. Right. Because he does it so well in the movies. You notice Tom Hanks has been very silent. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't blame him, you know. And –

You know, it's yeah, we do. I also think that presidents are a reflection of who we are as a people and what our culture has become. You know, it's you know, you can go back like Reagan reflected his time. So he probably couldn't he probably he probably couldn't get elected today because he didn't.

come off like Kemp, you know, they're just kind of solid. But, you know, along comes Trump. Trump swears, you know, it's, it's okay, you know, over time to say shit, fuck, piss, whatever you want on, on, on TV, you know, before that with cable news. And so, uh,

Now you can say it, but it took somebody like Trump to actually say it. Yeah, he was really the first one that opened up that door. Yeah, he was. Remember that speech that he gave about how you deal with China? You don't say we're going to tax you 20%. You say, listen, motherfuckers. Yeah. And everybody's like, whoa.

Yeah, I loved it. I was like, all right. Yeah, me too. It's like you finally, plain speaking, just like you said it before. Like an actual human being. Yeah. Because that's how actual human beings talk about something. Respond. Yeah, it's what the emotions it brings up in you. Yeah. And that's what you feel. I mean, I guess Obama was the first one to really truly use social media, you know, in a way, because he understood it. And so did Trump. I mean, he was tweeting about,

Right. You know, it's probably why the polls didn't really reflect what was going on because people were just reading his tweets. Right.

Well, the treats are so ridiculous. He just – he can't help himself. Yeah. He's got to insult people and go after people, and, like, that's how he made his career. I mean, that was him in the public eye. Starting with Rosie O'Donnell. Yeah, which is – Yeah, I remember in that feud that got him. That was, like, so ridiculous back then. Leave that poor lady alone. You know –

I do cringe sometimes at stuff, but I know where he is at the bottom of it, that he really does care about the American people and he really loves this country. And he's really smart, really smart. And he knows how to deal with foreign policy wise, which is a huge thing with me.

because it has an effect on everything else in our culture, our economy, just the way we feel inside. And I think he's so much, he's best for that. I just hope he, I'd like to see him focus more on the issues. Yes. And be very disciplined about doing that because when he goes off that

They love that. Yeah any chance they can make it personal they love that I also think that he gets sucked into some things that I think are traps I think one of the traps that's been set least recently is the use of computer generated imagery with Kamala Harris's campaign I think he got sucked into a trap because

How is that? Because he made a post about how the crowds that were at the airport to meet her were fake. Right. And that it was CGI. Right. And a lot of people thought that they were CGI. And there was a lot of people tweeting about it, that it was CGI. Yeah.

And I was looking at it, and I was like, this is interesting because it's so obvious. Why would they do that? Well, one of the ways they would do that is to put out fake images or put out the idea that they were fake images so that he makes this post. He would bite on it. He bites on it. Yeah. And then they go, actually, there's video of it. And then they can go back and really see it when the crowds were there. Video and the crowds and all that and prove that it was. Exactly. Exactly.

Because it's so used to like Biden doing a rally and you never see the size of the crowd and you can feel that there's nobody there. And because there's tepid applause, you know, you hear individual hands. Also, you can hire people to go to those things. Yeah. It's not difficult to hire a crowd. You can get a crowd to go to a comedy show if you wanted to. Yeah. You can get a crowd to do almost anything. I mean, also, they did this very wise thing, the Harris campaign, where they would have famous singers. Free bar.

They'd have famous singers and entertainers perform there, and then she would be there as well. So people would essentially get a free concert. So they were basically at a concert. Exactly. Not hard to get. Not hard to do. Especially if you have a big urban environment. You want to get 10,000 people to go to a place. Not that hard. And granted, you know what? It did energize the Democrats when...

Joe stepped down. Oh, yeah. Because there was... They knew they were fucked if he stayed in there. Yeah, they knew it. Every time he talked, it was getting worse. It was a ray of hope and somebody young. And so all the people that, you know, they got volunteers and they, you know, they're going all in. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Supposedly, unless they really abscond the Republican agenda, which it seems like she's trying to do. You know, that's what we... You know,

Clinton did that, actually, in 94. He was going to be a lame duck president. He was going down. And his response was, in the State of Union's address, he said the age of welfare is over. And he basically...

Took over the Republican agenda. And we had like six years of just incredible. The economy was amazing. It was a force. And she started with Kamala now is taking over the whole no tax on tips. Yeah. Try to take that over. Trying to say that she's.

never was the border czar and that from day one she's going to do something about it when she I think there's like what four or five months left in the administration right yeah uh you know once you do about something also the denying she was the border czar when there's

hundreds of people talking on television calling her the border czar. Oh, yeah. It's nuts. Yeah. That's the craziest gaslight. Including Joe Biden himself said border czar. Yeah, they said it on CNN and then CNN later saying she was never the border czar. Yeah. Oh, she wasn't? Yeah. Well, why'd you say it back then? You guys are misinformation. Yeah, so...

She didn't go to the border. She went to the border of Nicaragua and then in the bordering country or whatever, you know, talking about the root cause and all that stuff. Well, yeah, the root cause.

Well, it seems very coordinated, doesn't it? The border thing? Yeah. That one I really want to know. What are they trying to do? What's the end goal here? I mean, it seemed the obvious thing would be for the old idea that that's for voters, that people coming into this country are naturally Democrats. But that's not really true. You know, I have so many Latino friends and the people that came here the right way are

They can't stand what's going on because they really can't. And they have a tendency to really kind of get families and church and stuff to become conservative and believe in the American dream. And so that's not true. I mean, the only other thing would be the power, I guess. And you create kind of – you definitely have less Republican votes, I guess they think, with that. And you create chaos and you –

which is kind of another kind of Soviet tactic that, you know, if you want to foment revolution, that's what you do, create chaos. Yeah. So, you know, that's really getting into a conspiracy theory for that. But I just, I don't see the sense of it. And then I have people like my housekeeper, Josie, who, you know, who was over here illegally for so long in her life. And finally, I said, you know,

In fact, when Trump was going to get elected in 2016, she was like really, really afraid. And I said, you know what? We have to do this the right way. I'm going to apply for citizenship and I'm going to sponsor you. And so we started the process then, you know, got her green card and everything to it. And she's she went through her citizenship test first.

With me what she was doing. She's failed twice, but I went through the citizenship test with her. She got everything perfect, but she goes over there and she gets treated like dirt, you know? Really. Which is crazy that people trying to do it the right way get treated like shit. Yeah, and she gets treated like she's doing something wrong or whatever. And I know she can pass it because I went through the whole thing with her randomly.

And yet if you come into this country illegally, they're going to pay for your hotel. They're going to give you $1,000 to spend. That's so insane. What state do you want to go to? And, you know, we don't get those rights. Well, it's just insane when we have so many poor people in this country that are U.S. citizens that aren't being taken care of. And you're just letting people come here. Yeah, veterans. Letting people come here illegally and giving them all this money. Like, what's the end game? Yeah.

What is the end game? Because even the mayor of New York is complaining about it. Yeah. Well, he fucked up. He called it a sanctuary city. We'll welcome anybody. And they're like, great. Come on down. Well, also Kamala Harris has said that terrorists aren't coming in through the border. That's not true. They've arrested terrorists coming through the border. Of course it is. That's been going on for a very long time. I mean, even back to the Bush administration where they would send floods of kids. The cartel would come down to...

You know, people way down in Mexico said, we're taking your kids and that's it. Couldn't say a single thing about it. The cartel runs Mexico, I believe. You know, that's a fact. And just bring them to the border and in a flood of – sending in a flood of kids or –

whoever across the border embedded in that are terrorists. You send in a thousand with four terrorists in it, the odds are a lot better of getting in here. And that's been going on for a very long time. And

But it's just never been as porous as it is now, right? Because now it's not just porous, it's like an open invitation. Yeah. Which is just insane. And then if you want to come here from Europe, like say if you're a mathematician or something like that, or even a friend of mine from Estonia is a comedian. He's trying very hard to get his green card. It's a difficult process. Yeah. But if you want to come here illegally, all you have to do is walk. Right. They'll let you in, they'll give you a cell phone, they'll give you money. Right.

They'll put you up at a hotel. They give you free food. It's crazy. Just back there, they throw away their IDs and everything. Yep. Before they come across the border, you can say you're anybody. Yeah. From any country. Yeah.

Yeah. No genetics testing. No questions asked. Just, oh, hey, come to a future court date, maybe. Yeah, in seven years. What state would you like to go to? Right. And then the court dates are years ahead. So you get to live in this country illegally subsidized for years. And you would assume that those people are going to vote for the people that did that for them. And I think that's part of the issue. And, you know, a lot of...

There's deals made with the cartel. The cartel is like – the cartel is charging – is it $5,000 a head? $5,000 a head times $15 million. What does that come to? That's a lot of money. Jesus Christ. I think basically our government has been paying for a lot, subsidizing them over there and dealing with the cartel. And it's –

The world is turned upside down. It really is from – at least from the world I went to. But I'm old and so maybe not so relevant. But I don't think that common sense – I think it's always relevant if you ask me. It's relevant. Yeah.

It's very relevant. Everything's relevant. It's also everybody recognizes that this is not the best course for everybody, for the whole country. Regardless of if you're a left-wing person, you do not want terrorists sneaking into this country and blowing up cities. You don't. You don't. Of course you don't. No. So if there's an option where they can get here easily and quickly, you would want to seal that up.

For everybody. Even if you're a kind person that thinks we should make some sort of a path to citizenship, which I agree. Like your housekeeper. I agree. Yeah, absolutely. There should be some sort of a path where people who hear...

Look, I'm the grandchild of immigrants. People came across because they wanted a better life, but it was easier to do back then, the 20s. Yeah. Not hard. Get over here. Once you're here, you can settle down. Yeah. I mean, there should be a path. And that's one of the things that made America so interesting, because it's a melting pot of all these ambitious people that came here from a place that sucked and they carved out a life.

Yeah. Yeah. There should be a path. I'm all for immigrants. It should be a legal path. Yeah. From everywhere. Just do it the right way. It's better for everybody. Yes. Better for everybody. You know, that's just the way it is. I mean, as it is now, it's just an

Venezuelan gangs are all moving into the same neighborhood. It's very much like the fight points back in the New York days. What? The Aurora, Colorado apartment building. Do you know that issue? No. Okay. There's an apartment building in Aurora, Colorado that has been taken over by Venezuelan gangs. Yeah.

And so they essentially – no one can collect rent anymore. The gang is collecting rent. They're evicting everyone out of the building and they're controlling this building. And everyone is aware of it. Yeah. And it's been – Basically squatting or the laws – using the laws of the United States. Exactly. Because Colorado is incredibly liberal. Right. And that area is incredibly liberal. Yeah. So –

See if you can find that story on the Venezuelan gangs taking over the apartment building in Colorado. I was watching a news piece on it today where they were expressing this real confusion and frustration that there was nothing that they could be doing about this and that they have different doors have X's on them. The red X's are when people have been evacuated from the apartment. They shut it down? They shut down Slumlord Apartment. Wait a minute.

Slumlord. Are they saying anything about the gangs? That's what I Googled. Are they calling them slumlords now? Aurora evictions draw attention to owners' neglect at other apartments. Yeah, maybe that's true. But what about the gangs? That's what I Googled, and this is what pops up.

Yeah. See, that's the problem with Google. There's some stories. Okay. Special task force. Check that out. Okay. Here we go. Special task force investigating Venezuelan gangs, alleged ties to Aurora, Aurora city council officials say that apartment complex on gnome street is closing to decode violations, but some council members allege there's more to the story. So this is what I've been reading. What I've been reading is that these Venezuelan gangs have occupied this thing. The gang known as Trendy, uh, Aragua, uh,

started out as a prison gang in Venezuela, has expanded throughout the Western Hemisphere. Last month, the Biden administration designated the gang as a transnational criminal organization, accusing it of engaging in human smuggling and trafficking, gender-based violence, money laundering, and illicit drug trafficking. Aurora Police Department

In partnership with the Raven Task Force, it has assigned four detectives to a special task force that includes additional local, state, and federal partners to investigate the violent crime impacting our migrant community, said Aurora PD spokesperson late Thursday. Yeah. Well. They had taken over the apartment complex. Yeah. The city is closing near Colfax and Peoria.

Interesting. So they just basically take over an apartment complex and there ain't nothing you can do about it. Yeah. Type of situation. Yeah. And go through the courts all you want. Well, especially if our laws are so lax. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, that's not good. And if they're all flooding in through the border and these are the type of people that are flooding, those guys aren't coming over legally, the Venezuelan gang members. So that is an effect of what this... Basically, especially Venezuela. That's been going on for a while, people trying to leave the country, and then they empty the jails like Castro did. Empty the jails and let them come out because...

The gangs are. They're a political force. At some point, they become a political force. Yeah. Because how many that takes, but...

You know, that's what they're doing. Especially when you have... It's like a war on warfare almost. You have things like defunding the police and this lack of appreciation for law enforcement. Yeah. And no cash bail. Uh-huh. It's just a slap on the wrist. All of it is crazy. You can beat up cops and it's okay. You can beat up cops as an illegal immigrant on film. Yeah. And you just get let out of jail and the kid's giving the Tupac double fingers to the... Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man. Crazy. This is... This is...

What is the endgame of this type of behavior and how is there no course correction? That's what's scary to people and what should be scary to people because this seems like if I if I wanted to throw the country into complete chaos That's how I would do it. I'd have gangs come in through the border. That's the way Stalin did it You know, they were involved in bank Stalin in his earlier earlier his career that they robbed banks in

Wow. That's what they did. They were a gang and basically mayhem, but they robbed banks to finance the cause. Crazy. What a weird time. Yeah.

Well, listen, Dennis, I appreciate you very much. I've always loved your movies. I really enjoy talking to you. Yeah, really. It's a lot of fun. A couple of conspiracy theorists just getting together, talking it over. A couple of loons. Getting at a drilling rush. When does Reagan come out? Reagan comes out August the 30th. All right. Well, I'll be watching. Quite a few theaters, actually. There it is. And I'm very proud of it. I love the movie and I...

Number one, people are entertained. And also, if you were born before 1985, you can go to remember how great this country used to be. And if you're after 1985, you can see it and you can realize how great this country still could be. All right. Thank you very much, brother. Appreciate it. Thank you. Bye, everybody.