#2167 - Noland Arbaugh
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The joe rogan experience.

What is perfectly.

yeah, you too, you too. Thanks for help me.

I have a feeling if there's a .

movie that they do in the future of how the world change in twenty twenty four, you're gna be in that movie.

Yeah, that would be cool. Yeah, that be cool. I'd get to play me. I they probably .

don't need people by then. They probably just do movies with A I and probably really quickly. You could probably like take a really great novel like the great gatsby, run through an AI video creator. And they would just make you the most amazing version of the great gatsby yeah .

that's sure probably .

yeah that you say but if we're talking about like historical moments in human beings and in technology, the implementation of neural link on the first human patient, that's you yeah yeah .

I guess so um no definitely yeah yeah.

I mean.

I was I keep thinking about IT like you know B C, I have been around for a while so I I bring computer. So like just in plans that we've done in people um different ways that they've found um they're giving people the ability to control electronic devices. They've been able to control computers and stuff.

There are a couple of things out there. The utah ron came out with something more. Basically, they go through the um um artery in the neck and they kind of thread something up into the brain that expands um in a vein up there, in an artery there and then they can like control the brain through that.

So B C, I have been around for a while a few decades at least. I thinks it's like the nineties. So I would say that were standing on the sellers of giants sort of thing, but I know narrower just as just league at home.

And I know that you know with island's name attached to IT, it's going to blow up way more. Um but I think this is the beginning. I think everyone else that IT comes after this basically is going to be pulled up by the progress nearly inks smoking and the fact that they are trying to like open source, basically all of IT. I think the whole field is just gna grow x entity at this point.

Well, can only hope so. That really is fascinating and IT really is faster. How many different ways and strategies they've employed to try to connect computers to human beings and brains. So what do you know what year the first one was?

They do this? Ah ninety eight. Oh, maybe yeah I think so I think that was a um that just um was looks like a chip with like more fixed um like threads on IT. They were I think a lot smaller and I just SAT on the brain. Um so obviously another open brain surgery and they put in in there and then I would read section of the brain motor cortex, I think as well.

Have you seen some stuff now where they are using um some kind of scanning imagery where they can actually see thoughts?

No, I haven't.

Yeah there they're doing where they think they're onto, be able to record dreams eventually. And what they're able to do now is get like an approximation of what someone is seeing and thinking, well, you find that, Jimmy, and figure out exactly what they did. Yeah, here, scientist redrew s.

OK, that's crazy. I mean, i've always heard that scientists really don't know how like what dreams are. Like what is going honor why we do IT. I've heard plenty of people say like, yeah, we still don't know why you even need to sleep and like what's going on your dreams I don't know that change recently, but like, I don't know. Dreams are, dreams are interesting thing.

The whole sleep things interesting. yeah. MRI scans reveal what we see in dreams.

Japanese researchers unveiled dreams visuals with sixty percent accuracy using innovative MRI scans at pivotal kyoto study, showcasing a breakthrough in sleep science. Wow, wild stuff. That picture .

just like A I we dreaming and A I know.

I think work close. yeah. I think if the simulation is real, IT seems ridiculous. Now, less so than IT seemed five years ago. But I think five years and out of the seem likely, I think it's all interconnected, some very bizarre way. I think we are slowly building toward that connection with all of this technology and all of these new innovations and all a greater understanding of quantum physics and space and all these as they build on all this stuff. I think it's going to become more and more likely that this house, somehow another real, but not real at the same time.

Yeah .

neither a simulation nor like actual, like A A hybrid of these things oh.

that'd be crazy that one of things i'm really excited about with neural link is how much we're going to learn just about the brain from this like the amount of data that they're collecting um I mean little things like the fact that um all the stuff with the thread pull out going on with my brain. One of the reasons that they think IT happened is because um I don't know have you heard about like the third point so please .

explain .

to be yeah yeah so basically um there are sixty four threads in planted in my brain um with sixteen electrodes on them each and over the course of a month we saw a lot of the threads start retracting from my brain so the threads that the robot implanted um were retracted and so we were getting less signals from a lot of them and they can't see that unlike brain scandi thing.

So like the threads are so small, you know not even the size of human hair, that in order to get a scan of them you'd have to use such a big machine that you would probably just frame my brain so they can't go and look at them. Um so a lot of the data that we have that shows that they were moving or coming out of the brain was literally just um whether not the electrodes on the threads were sending signals anymore if they were picking up neuron Spikes. Um so a lot of the threads were getting pulled out and that LED to you know some declined performance for a while.

They kind of fixed that in a way. Um but some of the reason that that happened, at least we think, is because the brain moves more than they thought I would which is something that was so bizarre to me when I first heard that I think you guys don't know how how much the brain moves. Like this feels like like that should have been something that was solved, do you know? Ages ago, I never thought IT moved.

Yeah if so, IT pulsars, like with with like your brain with your heart. I mean so I guess your heart pulses and stuff your brain pulses as well because you know this blood run through IT everything. So um it's just posting and they thought that IT move like pulses out about a one millimetre rate.

So that's how much IT all polls like move is one millimeter and they found in my brain that I was moving three millimeters pulsing. So that's on a scale at three x times that they had made the whole neural link in the threads and everything for um to be able to understand. So they think that that might have had something to do with that as well.

So is that a Normal thing that like the brain have a range?

Yeah don't know. I think that's going to will know more stiffness.

Ss pulsation of the human brain, detected by non invasive time, the human brain pulses every time the heartbeats. Scientists have used the tiny giggle to reveal new insights about our neurons. Neuroscientists try that name.

U, I, root ish hour root shower, early root shower. P, H, D, thought heat uncovered a strange new phenomenon about the human brain. So so IT pulses every heart beats. So if your heart beats a lot of your heartbeats fast, if you're jacked up as your brain .

pulls fast to i'm sure I mean, I get like what happens with me if my heart retire, um I will get like headaches and stuff so I got I have a lot of weird things with my with my body with being a quap gic or like I can tell if I really high blood, my head just gets I really, really I can get really bad headaches and said, but um yeah so brain moves more than we thought I did which blew my mind. Once we get more people in the study, then will really know if for some reason my brain just moves a lot more than that. Should I imagine that i'll see something around the same and then we will be able to determine like a range you're talking about if it's you know a range of one millimetres, say five millimeters, or if it's pretty consistent, around three millimeters.

i'm not sure. So what this implant allows you to do is you can interface with the computer and you can use keyboard, you can type in your house, you can play video games. How does .

IT work? Yeah so basically um excuse me, um my implant has uh like a bluetooth connection to the computer and then through that nearly has created an APP that they have uploaded to the computer and through that APP I can interface with the um with the computer what he does is all of the electrodes on the threads are sending neuron Spikes, neuron signals and through my so it's all implemented in my motor cortex through my intentions so say if I want to try to you know move my hand left, right, up, down, I can't really move IT.

I have like a little bit of movement in my hand but I can't really move IT but the neurons are still firing that intention is still there. So like those signals are being sent. There's just a cut off in my spinal cord so obviously is not getting down um but it's still it's still going on in my brain and those electrodes are picking up their signals and there's an algorithm like machine learning going on in the background that is um you know taking those intentions and over time, IT is learning what i'm trying to do and that translates to curse of control so yeah so if I want to try to move the curse of the left, I move my hand to the left.

But that's not necessarily what I would need to do. If I wanted to move the curse to left, I could kick my foot or I could do any sort of like motor action to train IT to learn that's what I wanted to do to go left. So there will be like a visual on the screen that says um like move your hand to the left and then they will train that left movement to left on the current control. But that visual could be anything IT could be like do a little jig and that'll move IT to the left like anything that I can do um anything you can do, I mean, I can learn and you can map that to anything.

So does this include the facial movements?

Does IT yeah yeah so you can .

like move with you know .

yeah i'm pretty sure like we haven't tried anything like that. We haven't tried you know a lot of stuff. This is very very um like is still very new. So there are things that we've we're working on what works well at this point.

So like a lot of IT is like my right hands, if we have mapped a lot of things to like individual fingers um hand movements in general, but we've done like left hand stuff. We've done like foot kick stuff. And IT doesn't look like the signals are as good.

But that also might be just due to the fact that some of the threats are pulled out. So when they fixed that issue with the next people, then those things would be much, much Better. And if that's the case, then you could theoretically do multiple things at once. It's not just you know you map say my right hand, the curse control, then you map my fingers, my other hand in my toes to um like key control so I could be move in the curse in typing at the same time with my toes or something. Yeah there there's a lot a lot to a explore with this that .

so interesting that is tied to your mind telling different parts of your body to move. I you come on very obviously very ignorant to this stuff. I thought like you're just using your mind and telling the curse .

to go around yeah so it's something that is true. So it's something that um we differentiate. Um there are water called attempted movements and imagined movements.

So at the very beginning, I did a lot of attempted movement. Attempt to movement is just what that sounds like. I attempt to move my hand in a certain direction.

I attempt to move my fingers, like, lift your finger up, down, left, right. I attempt to do something. And then the algorithm will take that and translated to curse of control.

But what I realized maybe a few weeks in was that I could just think cursor go here and I would move um that IT blew my mind when that happened for the first time like like I said with um everything going on my brain, all of IT still works. All the signals are still there like I think something to try to move and the signal gets sent. So when i'm attempting to move my hand and the curse is moving and it's moving basically where I wanted to, i'm like, yeah, that makes sense.

IT didn't really shock me that I worked. I I assumed that I would work because all the signals are still working. It's just my special cord that's jacked up um but when I moved IT for the first time with my mind without attempting to move at all, I like I was guilty the entire day. I could not believe what I just happened. And I think we're gona find that with a lot of things right now we are doing like i'm i'm trying to map like sign language um like a sign language alphabet in order to text um like right words and stuff and it's pretty promising IT worked sure there's a video out there of me somewhere that neural ink has of me spelling a couple words um with sign language.

wow. So you're thinking in your mind, or you're trying to get your hands to make the signs of sign language, and then the computer interprets that. The language and types IT out here.

And I think the same thing is gonna en, where I went from attempting to move my hand to imagine and just moving the curse. I think it's gona be the same way with the texting. Not I haven't had this um confirmed yet, but I don't see why not.

I think at some point the computers is gona learn, like me trying to do certain letters if like attempting IT, at some point i'm just going to think that letter and instead of actually trying to move and it'll type IT yeah because I think it's I think it's both like me learning what like the computers trying to do the algorithm and the algorithm arn, what I am trying to do. And so over time it's just gonna completely thought based. Um I don't see why wouldn't get there. Um from what i've seen just with the current control IT makes sense that you know as i'm attempting, it's learning and then instead of even to needing to attempt, it'll just understand what I want to do and little do IT.

So you were saying that you were one of the first people to do this and this going to be more people in the trial and that maybe they're learn like the things that are going wrong with yours. Can they do yours again? Can I redo IT?

Yeah, they could. Um IT was something that, you know, when the thread retraction that happened, I was obviously pretty broken up about IT. I thought that. So like when they told me I didn't have very good control of the cursor anymore, IT was really hard for me to get the cursor to go where I wanted that to go. I thought my time in the trial was coming to an end and that's really hard.

It's something to something hard to come terms with because they just showed me this whole new world um like all these new capabilities that I had and they had introduced so many things like before that point I had played video games for you know ten hours without needing any sort of help and IT IT was hard to you know internalize that you could all be coming to an end. Um I know that I will at some point because i'll be out of the study and I won't be able to use them anymore. So my first thought was, can you guys go and fix IT like go in, take IT out, put in the new one? And they were basically said, we're not at that point yet.

We're going to see if we can fix IT. We're going to see if we can do things on the software side to fix IT, which they end live. Doing IT works Better than I did before now even with like fewer threads.

So um i'm glad we didn't because they learned a lot. If we would have just gone in and taking that out and put a new one, they wouldn't have learned the last like anything that they learned over the last three months. Um they could go into IT.

They're not going to I don't think that they need to um but at some point um I know that the whole point of neural ink is to be upgraded. So at some point, they are going to go in hopefully and take IT out and give me a Better one. Ww.

now, what is the extent of your injury?

Sorry, I dislocated my c four c five in. People keep calling in a diving accident. Wasn't really a diving accident. He was just sort like a freak accident. I was swimming in the lake.

Um so I dislocated my c four five, which they told me was good because I didn't severe my spin cord IT was just kind of like my point of cord like baLance at a place for you know a split second and how right back where were was supposed to be. And so I cannot move h anything. I have no control or sensation below my shoulder. I got a little bit back like I can move my hand a little bit but not enough to do anything like I couldn't control a joystick anything um so yeah no no move in your sensation below my shoulder.

Is there anything that if you looked into what they do with stem cells or .

yeah yeah I so I applied for studies um before in neural ink and I never got asked to be in any of them. I never never even heard back from anyone um which is kind of what I assumed what happen with neural and honest sly um but I applied for things because I obviously don't want to be paralyzed anymore. I don't want to be a quality gic.

So um IT would be great if I could get into something and have them fixed as much of me as possible. I mean, even if I had more control over my hands, the amount of things that I could do would like skyrocket, like an order of magnetic de. Um Better in my life would be Better my independence would be Better.

Everything yeah don't I mean, I don't think you would hurt to try and you familiar with a lot of these clinics like the cellar performance institute mexico. They do a lot of you have c fighters do like you can do things in other countries that you're not allowed to do in amErica because of regulations.

But what they're able to do down theirs, they're y're going right into disks and they're alleviating people's disk problems where they're actually making the disks grow larger and heal people with back injuries. And I know i've read things about spinal court injuries and improvements, but I would love to connect you with them. And they are the experts on this.

They've able to tell you like what what the state of the art in terms of, like the research shows that stem cells can I can do yeah, I don't think you hurt me. yes. Is a healing thing, right? If you're getting some sensation, a little bit Better movement, maybe they could accelerate that.

Yeah that would be great. I connect. cool. I don't know if i'm allowed to at this point. I really because I mean, the nearly study, i'm not .

sure that maybe you should lie yeah I mean, IT be there would be great and that would suck to get out the study too.

Both things would like, yeah.

yeah I mean, maybe they are .

yeah I mean, we will we will see.

I mean, it's something that would help you heal.

Yeah yeah. I know. I just know that like in a lot of studies, something like that they might not want to take on, like the added risk.

understandably also would kind of mess up their the control. Exactly what happens. You do somebody of what stem cells and does the brain pull state or does the virus come out more?

How does the interplay? Right.

right. Yeah, I get that. I get IT. Um is there of a hope in the future of utilizing this technology to help people regain movement?

Yeah, yeah. That's one of the plans. I don't know if you've seen anything on IT. Basically, they do something similar to what the stem cell a lot of the stem sell researchers is.

A lot of the stem sell stuff is, you know, implant stem cells above below the level of injury. And those stem cells will migrate basically and create a bridge. Um some of them have even a talked about injecting right into the level of injury.

So with the neural link, the plan is to implant one of the brain and the implant one below the level of injury. And then the newer links will just talk right to each other um all the brain signals that that is picking up in the brain wherever you know it's implanted. Motor cortex in this point in this scenario would go strike at the other one and I would send IT right through your body .

like IT should and are they do they have a plan and and when to try this .

they are already trying in animals um they have one in a pig. You can watch the video of IT where basically um they have an implant in the pig's brain and an implant in the pig's spinal cord, I think in the thera sic section of the spinal cord and they have been moving the pigs like legs um on its own, the pigs not paralyzed anything, but basically they like tell the page, come to this section of, you know they like grid off the floor and they put food in the section of the grid and they are like if you're OK with us testing on your pig, come over here basically and the pig go in there and then they will take control of the pigs leg and they will like start playing around with IT like making the pay yes so it's right here so all those movements right there the pigs leg are then um they're doing IT so um and this is just the beginning .

obviously so flex or movement it's saying in the pig is lifting its leg up unconciously not doing that.

They're going at all .

do how long they can hijack people for the C I get back to you.

right?

That's like, I mean, that is the ultimate fear of human beings becoming cyber ark. Is that where we're going to be subject all the problems that our computers and our phones have with malware and spyware?

And yeah I mean people people ask me all the time if this thing can be hacked and short answers yes um but at this point at least hacking this wouldn't really do much um you might be able to see like some of the brain signals, you might be able to see some of the data that nearly is collecting and then you might be able to control my cursor on my screen and make me look at weird stuff.

But that's about IT like you could go in and like look through look through my like messages, emails and like that. But I also have to be like connected already. So if i'm not connected to my computer or anything, you can get in there on your own. So you have to be a time when I am on IT and you are able to hack .

IT and then you given a basically a guy book. It's kind of crank up the volume and .

put gay point on full of yeah I mean, IT IT is one of this is yeah I think of that .

happens that happens.

I've it's something that they had to tell me about before I got to the study. This is possible.

but I not really about what kind of a piece of ship would they be. A hacky brain, can't the fuck? Yes, there's plenty of bankers out there. Money go constant them.

I you know along that line is something i've thought a lot about um with like doing interviews and stuff is like some of the people that i've done interviews with interviews with them like are they going to try to attack me to get to like elon master something are they going to say things about me um or like you know try to do like a gotcher on me catch sort of thing yeah um and everyone that i've talked to about that would like they would have to be the scum of the earth the tragedy that to you .

but will see hasn't happened yet maybe maybe oh there's subsume people out there theyll give you to go yeah especially they think in go viral yeah yeah it's become in critize elon mask .

yeah i've already had some people who just the way they're interviewing me is just so I don't know, gives me gives me the heb GPS like I can tell they're trying to get me to say things almost like no so what .

do you think they're trying to do and they just trying to attack we'll see here's a thing about interviewing. That's kind of that a lot of people don't know when you're used to talking to people like I talk to a lot of people, i'm used to talk people if I just meet them. This is me if I was a store buying food, this is me everywhere.

I can be me, but is because i'm used to IT. yeah. But a lot of people, when they sit down, they know they're to be on camera theyve never been on camera and they get very nervous.

And that's why I like to talk to people before the show. Just can hang out a little, get to chill out. I'm just a person and you're just a person and were going to just talk.

It's going to be easy, man, i'm your friend. We're going to have a good time. Some people don't want to do that.

They want do the opposite. So they want to sit there with a clipboard and they want to like look at you in a condescending way. And it's like a little bit of a power move here.

And what they're trying to do is make solace's that's also trying to do, that's their job. Their job is different than a person who just want to have a conversation and ask questions, which is my job. Their job is to make something dramatic happen.

It's gonna shared on tiktok. Yeah you know that they're barely in the news business anymore. They're kind of is the clip business and viral clip business. They just they're farming viral clips. So if they can say something ridiculous and maybe you'll say something back and that'll become the gotcha oh, he collapsed back.

Yeah, it's something like like i'm not nervous talking to people. I I never have been. I've never had stage fry.

I think people people I think i'm pretty good with people. I am not weird about interacting with others. Um I think it's because of my mom, my mom like the friend's person in the world. So I grew up just being able to walk up someone on the street and start a conversation if I wanted to um and so then I can obviously tell things when people are interviewing me, like what they're trying to get for me, right like just the way they ask questions. The tony of their voice yeah like, hey, i'm your friend like open up to me and it's like, so it's a dear I know I know it's not great.

Well, you know that's the business. You know yeah, if you work for a tire story time to sell tires, that's their business. You know you need new tires.

Do I really you know their business is talking shit and making things, you know. IT is a bad format. Most of those media interviews are bad format because it's a very limited amount of time. And you have to have a clip that fits in between commercials and also that they're not free.

They have executives and there's too many people that get in there and just the person talk to you should just be talking to, and they should have an understanding of what you do and how that happened and what this is all about. What is what this means for future people, you know, ouldn't be after after everyone is so good. Political right now is so weird.

They even making a political people political. It's just the so to connect you to that, it's just so stupid. Yeah what you are is like I said, I think if there's a movie about the future, one of the very first people that has used this kind of technology and we're learning that these people are getting Better at IT and and now at the use of A I I mean, who knows what's gna be possible with you just a few years? Yeah, it's very exciting.

IT is very exciting. I know a lot of people are really nervous about IT and understandably so of them.

Yeah.

i've had I had a little a bit of what you've said about IT and like I don't have like good arguments against IT, not like I can come on here and be like joe, don't worry them i'm here to help. Don't worry about IT.

I say that's a computer you .

let into to your computer, your phone i'll show you there's no big deal on your friend joe um no but I get IT at the same time. The way I look at IT is like how much is going to be able to help people? How much going to be able to help people like me at the beginning at least like I know a lot of this is like down the road stuff like, you know what it's going to do to Normal people who um who get this there are going to be able to be hacked or controlled or something um but for me I think about IT like how many people who are paralyze don't have to be paralyzed anymore, how many people with disabilities A L S or um you know alzheimer's or any these who are blind, how many people are going to be able to live their lives again and that's my goal at the beginning. I know that I feel like people are gona look at me and say like I really need to be more concerned about a lot of the like things coming down the road. And it's something that i'm trying to think more about because at some point, people are going to ask and I don't have good answers for IT because all i'm thinking about is, you know like I want to help people and I feel like this is going to help people and that's unfocused on so well.

I think your perspective is probably the right one because no one knows what's coming. Yeah no one and you can be freak out bt about IT like I am lab sometimes break that about about other times of just sort of resign to the fact that this is just the existence that we find yourself in. Yeah, this is our timeline.

We live in a very strange time eline. And it's happening in a very, very, very rapid rate. And no one has a map of the future.

It's not possible. It's just all guess. It's completely IT. IT is like an apt and trying to figure out how to Operate an iphone. This is not we don't have IT yeah whatever IT is, whatever it's going to be, it's going to be and you're not going to stop IT. Now it's we are a run away train yeah what's just so we are .

going to a cool spot. I mean, you look at a hundred years ago, like there's no way that could imagine what our would be like now.

no. So and I have a feeling the next five to ten years going to be a lot bigger than that.

Yeah I mean, x for growth. yeah. So well.

it's just once this stuff goes alive, it's just it's going to be really weird. It's going to be really weird. But along the way, we're going to solve a lot of the problem.

Yeah that I mean, look, if I have, uh, I had three ne surgeries to acl reconstructions. If I lived one hundred years ago, I be a cripple. Yeah you know, just how is my needs to be destroyed? I ouldn't be a walk yeah and now I can do anything.

That's just medical technology and understanding of the human body, implementation of this kind of device that can allow you to move your body and can, as you're saying earlier, um you can bring back eyesight to some people. This is something that they really are hopeful for. Have they done any out of animals yet?

Um i'm not sure I know that what the plan is like. They didn't talk about IT a while ago like a showing tell the basically show how like how the neural ink works in my brain would be very, very similar you would just take would you would like activated in parts of the brain or um behind the eye, uh the part of the brain, the part of the eye that um dict science stuff.

You would activate certain things in order to the display, what's going on around the world to someone, to the back of someone s eyes, to the right, know whatever is I don't know much about IT, but they have done IT um all they did IT with a monkeys actually yeah, so there's a video of um then lighting up parts of a screen and a they have like basically an eye tracking er in the monkey. And so the monkey will look to different parts of the screen and um like wherever they've lit up on the brain, basically. So whatever is going, whatever implied that have in the brain, they're like light up somewhere on the brain and then they're light IT up on the screen.

And the monkey will look there. And then at some point they stop lighting IT up on the screen and they're just lighting IT up in the monkey's brain and the monkey still looks there. So yeah so they know that they can do these sorts of things. Um uh yeah it's it's amazing. I know there are other companies that i've done something similar to this to you um with like giving people like helping people with their eyesight. I know one of them like went under which was I was just a wild story of basically about a company who had implanted things in people and the company went under and then the people in the study, you're like, what do we do now and they didn't know if they were just going like continue. That's one of the things about like, yeah.

yeah. I should mention that the blind side implant is already working in monkeys. The resolution will be load first, like early intendo graphics, but ultimately make seed Normal human vision only shit.

Also, no monkey has died. Urban, seriously injured by a neural link device, by a neural link device, right? But they did have to kill the monkeys that they originally did studies on.

right? yeah. Do you know much about like studying with the problem .

and stuff like, yeah, you have to kill .

them to find what damage i've done? Yeah yeah. exactly. Like, yeah. Basically all all animals are in studies at some point get, I think they have a really terrible term for. Think they call him call IT sacrifice so .

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more thought into IT. Um so yeah they do that. They have to, like you said, learn something from the monkeys, from the animals that they're testing on.

So some of them, they will, you know, let live longer. Some of them theyll implant something in and then sacrifice almost immediately to see because they have to know what it's doing. Short term, medium term, long term. Um so basically all animals and all animal testing get sacrifice at some point.

I don't know how true that is because obviously a lot of them, once they're done with the study that they're and they like to live if IT wasn't too invasive, if they don't need to like study any part of them, they would need to be killed for um if you're going to study the brain, if you going to study the brain, there's really no other. So and then there was the whole like um report that came out about all the terrible things that neural link was doing to monkeys. I've talked to the people, I got to meet them, the people who are working directly with monkeys.

Those monkeys have the best animal facility in the world. Someone like came in and built IT like basically they're going around. Now that person is going around and changing how other um like labs treat their monkeys like for the Better. So they're going they are like revolutionizing the world of like animal testing basically so nearly trees their animals Better than anywhere else. And then the report that came out instead, like all these terrible things are happen with animals IT, it's it's good because all the things that they brought up were just um IT was all the bad like basically anything bad that happens to uh the monkey has to be or any of the animals has to be reported and get reported in this um like you know xyz format of this is what's gone on of the monkey. This is what happens when we think happened. We had to kill the monkey yes or no um but none of the other things get reported at all none of the time between like it's five years of the monkeys alive and one bad thing happens then there's a report about that one bad thing up in the monkey and you can pile all of that and like look at all of these terrible things that are going out of the monkeys but this is not really true.

Interesting yeah well, it's a tough run because some people don't think any study should go on with animals at all yeah yeah. And so for them, everything that happens to an animal in captivity for a scientific purposes is evil. If I get IT, I get IT from their perspective yeah I you know they call speech ists because we're willing to do things to monkeys that you know I think like a lot of evil people in the world we can practice on. You know I mean, I want .

to give you any ideas.

right? That's terrible thing to say, should do that. But I very weird.

I mean, monkeys do terrible things to us to.

and they do provoked in, or if they live in urban neighborhood, they rely on tourists. They steal their phone for food and attack people. Yeah, there there fuckers. They can be focus.

But I saw, I saw a story monkey who basically tore some kids face off and is think he was like outside the village or in his village. And the whole story was about how they were doing reconstructive surgery on the kid, and like making them look a bit more Normal again. But terrible .

monkeys are unbelieved with strong. As a video, a guy, a sitting on the ground cross like a monkey, hops on his shoulder, and then the guys like thinking, it's cute and smile, and then the monkey just decides to take a massive chunk of his scalp off, just bite down on his head, and just takes like a football size chunk of scout off. This detect is horrible, just decided for no reason, unprovoked.

You know, monkey lives in a rough night hood. He's not out there. Just know, picking fruit.

This is IT. So this do is just sitting with this. Monkey is succeed on his lap and he's like talking to the monkey.

He's like good mr. monkey.

He doesn't seem like he's bumped. Doubt about the monkey and .

watch the .

monkey does 或 G O O wa， yeah.

was a no, no that .

I would have to be a chunk of skull, right? But he was the skin pull. I mean, that's gone. That's gone forever. Yes, no thing.

ouch. Yeah, gross.

But you know, the monkey, again, probably had a hard life. Yeah, yeah. We needs monkey life reform.

Yeah, right.

I think when we're looking at h these kind of scientific experiments on animals, a lot of people going to have a problem with, yes, but I I wonder through with new technology, if that's even going to be necessary anymore. If they in the future, particularly with the leaves, they are going to be made with A I, I wonder if they are going to be able to just be able to map out a study, you know, like understand the interactions between human beings and these devices and people, to map out the possibilities and probabilities without having to do that.

Yeah, you would think so. Yeah.

but who knows?

Yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. I feel like at the beginning, they would probably need to like that, along with a study on a human time.

They might run the simulations, and million times on what, you know, an AI simulation on what how this would interact with human. But then they would have to go in and do IT to see how true the like simulations are. And then depending on how accurate they are, then maybe they could just go fully to that. But if IT ends up being different.

then yeah, I have a feeling you're going to be able to replace parts with artificial parts too, like the eye all itself. I was just thinking about that the other day. Like how complex? Like, look how small these little cameras are on phones.

So the tiny as cameras. But one of these can do a hundred x zoom. Now, one of these is two hundred magic S A tiny thing.

Like, what's to say that they wouldn't be able to come up with something that works way Better than the human eye? Well, you could zoom in. Yeah, just like a phone. Just like zoom in is something like, but have like a real optical zoom.

I just hope they don't .

give him .

red retina that will .

be Green.

Yes, I just seems like they could do Better.

Yeah, IT would be very weird talking to someone with two guys.

I, D, E, D, be weird. If you couldn't even tell, you probably .

wouldn't trust anymore, right? Because you kind of like looking at someone eye and you find out their cool. You just looking at these lenses like are you even in there anymore? Yeah, i'm just trusting that you're still there. It's like talking to someone with sunglasses on forever. You know you know what's going on yeah .

what you like that is a weird .

thing that we look through the eye. It's the old expression, the windows to the .

soul I mean, you you can tell right sometimes looking at people.

you look in the eyes you like, yeah you little angry do yeah sketching yeah like .

that yeah like i'm saying maybe at some point you wouldn't even be able to tell, which is also something to the thing about like like if wouldn't be able to tell someone how robots like just looked like a Normal person.

right? But that's a real part of how we interact with each other, like facial expressions and like, figure each other out is about like how your eyes will look at me.

Oh, man, was not like you distrust someone because they have.

like a glass eye or, no, not glass. Yeah, red lights do IT around head. Maybe that's still wait works. You have to make a little noise, especially when you're .

one what don't know all through the night. Little, little rapid eye movement. And yes.

like why you sleep in? Yeah, I mean, i'm sure theyve worked there. Wasn't there some sort of study, whether were trying to develop an artificial life? I got a why I know this is i'm trying to have reality. I got one guy who has a three printed eye.

thirty print about camera.

And that is something i'm trying to find. And IT doesn't IT OK up to his tooth that I don't know. There's two things i'm seeing here. They figured out a way to do allow people to .

see things through their tea. I don't get IT.

I get IT. I'm not going to get that .

one yeah of .

time in the world for me to figure that they go for smart people. I mean, how are they getting IT through .

the tooth?

I bold the three d printed eye. Here's the one guy. First guy, he's a director. Show himself in the anax you because he's got a camera there, he says, and he seized through the camera at that I was trying to get to, it's got a transmit.

I know it's going to see his brain, but he can see on he so you see on your phone yeah, that's kind of weird. Maybe that's the first debt then they need. Glad I would make the weirdest P. O, V porn.

This made in like the nineties.

not new. And twelve years ago.

plon.

Game boy, yeah, it's not a game boy, but it's some sort of you for prior little electronic video player, yeah. Amazing times. yeah.

So what is next in terms of like how long does this study that you're on a blind woman sees with tooth in eye surgery doctors in floor to restore women side by implanting a tooth in her eyes? No what to think. That's how they do IT.

That is that is the thing that I was saying, like through your teeth, but I mean that that is how they do. IT team of special universe of a miami Miller school of medicine announced wednesay that they're the first surgeons in the united states to restore a person in sight by using a tooth. The procedure is formally called modified ostia oddo cartoon character caratal prosthesis.

Sorry, a sharing. Kate, thirteen sixty, went blind nine years ago from rare disorder called Stephen Johnson syndrome. The disorder left the surface of her eyes so severely scarred.

SHE was legally blind, but doctors determined that the inside of her eyes were still functional enough that I might one day see with the help of this thing. Um this is a patient where the surface of the eyes was totally damaged. No witness, no tears.

Dctp Victor L. P. Rez, the open ologies at the basic palmer eye institute at the university miami, who Operate on thorn. So we kind of recreate the environment of the mouth in the eye. I don't phase .

Operation .

started with the university. My an identity darter you sarti sati, who removed the tooths from thora's mouth and prepared an implant of our own dental tissue for a most severely damaged eye. The tissue be used to make a new cornie to replace the damage one.

The doctors then remove a section of thorn's cheek that we become the soft mucus tissue around her pupil. wow. Finally, prisoners team implanted the modified tooth, which had a hole drill through the center to support a prosthetic lens. We use that tooth as a platform to put the optical cylinder into the eye explain process, press said. Doctors often use less risky and less invasive techniques to replace colonist with the damage with thorns s Stephen Johnson syndrome ruled those out wo using a tooth might sound strange, but also offers an advantage because doctors use threats, own cheek and tooth tissue SHE faces less risk that her immune system will attacked the tooths and reject a transplant patients getting a cordia transplant from a deceased donor, on the other hand, face chances that the immune system will reject the new tissue. Wow, yeah, wow.

yeah. I for some reason I thought they were using that truth to like not use this as a replacement for like her vision in some way but it's literally just a playful ler for like, you know, different different things like the tissue in different places like like this that hold that lands and stuff that makes more sense.

Yeah, I thought that was that too. I thought they were seen through the teeth.

Like that doesn't I don't know, is more like why can't we see through our teeth all the time be let's going on in my mouth right?

Yeah um all this stuff is it's it's just mind blowing to imagine where this is going to be in in one hundred years and with you um do you have the like if they start doing the range of motion studies or the being able to recreate motion or restore motion, are you be available for those studies to can you do that to or you only like locked into this one study?

Yeah I know I imagine i'm locked into this for now at least but at the same time um i'm not sure i'm really not sure you would have to do IT with someone who already has the implant in the brain. So I don't know if it'll be a separate nearly that they would need like a different one specifically for. Like the two implants interacting together, I don't see why that would be the case.

Just like the same thing with people who you're going to have to test to see if the surgery to replace a nearly link is a safe at some point they're going to go through a whole thing. So they're going to have to do wrong. People who already have IT in. Um so I imagine like that sort of study might be something I would be involved in if they're planning on in planting one and someone special cord and seeing how they in react and seeing if IT works. I don't see why I couldn't be in, but will see it's kind of a long way off.

I think how big is the the neural link in plant .

about the size of a quarter? It's it's thicker than a quarter, I don't know, maybe half an inch like that thick and does IT you?

It's on the surface. Yeah, it's implanted .

on my school. So they cut out a chunk of my school think is called the crane. I act to me and then they left that chunk out and just replaced with the neural ink.

Do they take that chunk and I put in the freezer?

They could put IT back in you yeah i'm not sure I don't think I talking about IT. Yeah talking about IT afterwards.

That's IT yeah that you had I was talking .

about IT with my study afterwards, and I was like, I should have asked them for my chunk up of school. I would have been sweet.

I don't think they're allowed to give that to people. I think that's like bio waste or something like things bio has. I know I definitely should be.

They give people their testicles les back.

so right, but he has to be like for my ahead or something OK.

So the partial skull put in from out.

how many versions did they go through before they got to the one when they're willing .

to do IT on people? A lot I saw like from the very first idea of narrow link through this one. I don't know I I don't know how exactly how many they were. I would say at least um one two dozen they were like iterations .

yeah .

and then like the version I have is like thousands and like the thousand and or two thousand iteration of um this one. So like they're constantly changing stuff.

So like even the next person that gets IT, they've probably made, I don't know, a thousand more modifications to IT little things just like if they've seen certain things in my implant, they can improve on obviously, they are going to change the threads um work um they're gona add more electrodes. They're going to maybe update the batteries. They might update a lot of things.

They looking at updating what signal IT uses instead of blue tooth. They're looking different things like that. So the next one that comes in is probably going to be much different, maybe the same design, maybe they found a Better design.

I don't know. wow. And I know in the future, they've talked about putting this into people that don't have any issues. medal.

What are they planning on doing? Like how they planning on that? Do you know what mean how like in terms of like is that gonna just be offered for going to get what of the long term goals is, is to get the interactions that people communicate. Top paths is going to be get a slow build up to the idea that everyone is going to want to get one of these things.

I think one is proved like this, this studies to prove whether not is safe and if IT works, basically, I think once that's proven, then they're gonna into a lot more of what is actually capable of. And then once it's released to the public, I think, I think people gna rush to get IT.

Honestly, at least a group of people who have been following IT, at the very least because once we know that it's safe and that's one of the big things that people are going to like, once that lifted once like, okay, it's safe. Now we can go through start talking about being able to communicate with people and being able to you know possibly download information haven't be available to um using A I and stuff like that. I'm not sure that's going to happen.

I don't see why it's not possible at the very least. And then they I know news talking about opening up a clinic and Austin, basically where you would go in and get a surgery in like walk out. Um so it's not like like my surgery was but I don't want to say not invasive because obviously to brain surgery.

But um IT was they were expecting IT to be something like three to six hours and my surging took under two hours. IT went super, super fast. H there were no complications at all. IT was not um like obviously invasive in the brain, but there was no damage down really. So um and this was the very first time. So once they get this even Better, even more tuned in than I imagined, people going to this clinic and going to come out in a few hours with an earth link, and then they can chat with all their friend online.

something be pretty ool.

be pretty cool. Again, i'm not i'm not here to talk about like the ethical revocations of that or like how how I found to think about like the things that um might go wrong or could go wrong. And it's probably something that people much smarter than me should think about where or not should be done. But um I think there are so many things that you could do with IT.

I think it's going to be done no matter what. And if it's not done by neural link, it's gonna be done by someone in another country. It's going to be done.

Technology always moves forward. IT never stops over concerns of what could possible go wrong, hence the nuclear bomb. Yeah, yeah, it's not going to.

yeah. This is not what we do. We always try to come up with greater things. And if someone does figure out way to connect human beings to some form of wireless internet, wireless data, or some completely new thing, instead of thinking as the internet, as we know at being these devices, they go to websites.

IT might be a completely different invention that uses a completely different type of technology to sink all the information and all the minds in the world together. IT might not be as dobe is going to a website. Like going to a website is probably like an archaic c way to do IT.

You know, like it'll be like the cloud or the metaverse or something can just have in in everyone will be there. You can go chat with whatever you .

want around the world and they can just upgrade your Operating system .

and make you woke exactly right.

He signed up for the wrong one. The next, you know, get way crazy ideas.

propaganda will take new .

leaves and down, right? But then who's running IT like that? What one person and everybody .

else is a robot like that is sense. Someone.

someone is gonna wanted run IT. Yeah, it's gonna need to be.

Hopefully by that point, they will regulate IT. But as we've seen with like you know things like A I R, even they're trying to catch up with that. Should we should we have like thought about this before all this was released? Like no government will figure IT out.

Good look with that, right? yeah. Well, they're able to scoured the internet for every artist work, and then sort of take pieces of that and create art.

And his arrest, hey, you know, that took me fucked in forever to paint that. And you just stole IT did a version of IT in thirteen seconds? Yes, weird.

yeah. yeah. And that's just one problem. Another problem is deep fakes and songs. They made a drake song that became a hit, and drake had not to do with this. Yeah think it's not that not that far away from being out of the barn where you're not going to be ever stop. You not able you going to be able to do whatever you want in terms of like creating videos, audio s, and it'll look in distinguishable from a real video, real audio. Yeah, they're ready going to take this podcast and translated in the different languages without me being able to speaker just through A I yeah yes.

I mean, I think they did the same thing with the deep fake like you were just saying, think they did something was like trump recently or was like a deep fake at trump. And after a while he had to be like hegan as that wasn't me.

Wasn't there was your football player that was saying some wild's ship that turned out to be fake or or basketball player? Did you hear about this Jimmy s on, which is like you're talking about, but there's a bunch of dress conferences that, yes, that's what .

talking about things someone's .

doing yeah but apparently IT was just barely wanky enough for people go that looks big. We have to be very sophisticate if you saw this. I mean, we're getting used to looking for things being fake. Where is twenty years ago? You would say that's real ah I see that video.

It's something that I was actually just talking with my body about the other day. I think it's going to be something similar to you know how like we get emails from nigerian princess and like I like grama don't open that, don't send the money. It's not real think it's going to be something that people are able to do like the next generations where they look at something online and they like, oh, that's A I oh yeah.

that's big yeah I think right yeah .

they're just they are going to grow up with IT, so there are going to be able to figure out, but maybe not the stuff look so real that I don't know, but maybe they gonna have to be required to you like watermark or something on IT.

Every I don't think we're going to be able to stop IT. I think we're just going to get to a real weird, blurry place. I think the one thing that might help.

This sounds crazy, but I think ultimately what technology does is closed. IT makes things more accessible. IT gets you more information.

IT connects people more. It's with translation. It's connecting people from different cultures in different countries more.

I think ultimately what it's gonna, it's going to be some sort of a mind interface. I don't think it's going to be a simple as language. I think it's going to be a next level mind interface.

So it's something through a technology action to neural link or maybe future versions of neural link, I think we're gonna be able to know what someone's actually thinking. I think you're not going to be able to lie anymore. So i'm saying, yeah, I think lying is going to be possible hundred years now, which be really good thing.

And if you're a person right now that lives your life without lying, you know this this is a way Better as a person used to lie and doesn't lie ever. Now i'll tell you right now, it's great. Yeah, I love IT. It's a good thing to not lie.

And if you live your life in this matter where there cannot be deception, how much more would we get done? How much more would we understand each other in in relationships? And if you're bullshitting, you'll understand that you're bullshitting, by the way, another person sees your thoughts and then you'll be forced to handle those and go, you know what? I'm trying to put this off on other people and it's really me on the problem.

Yeah you'll be able to see IT. Everyone will see reality instead of this sort of manufactured narratives that people have with this very selective view of memory and their thoughts of the past. And my boss did me wrong.

Now you're a fucked up. You showed up, played every day. You know, they can hated me. No, you are super insecure and real ship around people. You know, it's like you'll seat will we'll be able to solve a lot of our social issues that seem insurmountable because of poor communication, the poor understand and lack of honesty, a lack of real honest conversations, instead of just people trying to win arguments.

Yeah yeah, that i'll be great until people realize that, you know, maybe you don't need to lie exactly. Maybe you can find ways to work around having to lie with this thing if you can't lie anymore, if you're not allowed to. I mean, people find ways to kind of sort of lie all the time.

And then also, if you can hack IT and then you're able to lie and no one else, and that becomes kind of an issue too. If in some way you are able to, like jail, break your narrow links so you can lie anymore and then you're the only one lying, everyone's going to believe you. They think that you can't lie and then that bringing up a .

whole new world problems my eyes you're seeing right into the thoughts. I don't think you have a chance like that. That doesn't exist. I think I think IT goes away and hence leers go away. That's going to be a real problem.

We're going to have to have actual understanding of all the different processes that are in play, whether it's the environment or resources or you know intercountry conflicts, whatever the fuck is going on. We're going to have whether to have a real understanding of IT without politicians bullshitting us as to why we're going to do something that won't exist anymore. That would be wild. They would be the ones that would resist IT the most. They like this dangerous mind reading technology.

I mean, I just think of something like that ever came about. They would never let that happen.

I don't think they have a choice because china do IT russia do IT everyone would do IT someone's gona do IT all these eggs out there that are willing to push that. But then gonna listen to the government shout the fucked up.

The government is just a bunch of people, the super nerds out there, the ones who are really in charge of the stuff because even we're seeing this with technology and some of these hearings on AI, the people that are asking the questions don't know what the fuck is going on. Yeah, and i'm sure you saw that with some of the facebook hearings and some of the other hearings, the people that are actually asking about the texts, how much time do you have to get into the understanding of this? How much time between worrying about the water rights in your district and this and and all these other problems that you have as a politician? How much time you are actually spending, trying to figure out how .

social media works? Probably they just have AIDS that are getting right there.

That's why they have pieces of paper and they're looking down with the reading glasses. Now, mr. Zccm burg, my phone doesn't go to google, right? Why is that good? It's like grandpas who argue on facebook, like they are not going to be the people that control A I, and they're not going to be the people that are going to be able to figure out how to stop mine reading technology.

I think when mine reading technology comes, it's gonna come so fast that it's going to be just like all these other things like the internet. IT came so fast they couldn't control IT. Because if you looked at the internet, if you looked at what what the internet is done for, like a distrust in mainstream media, distrust in politicians, exposing corruption, all the different things that we know about now that are a fact that just twenty years ago, you had thought been crazy conspiracy talk.

If they knew that that was gonna happen and make life so much more difficult for them, they would have regulated the internet from the jump. They would have stop, stepped in, took over like china did, took over like north korea did. And you want to get their version of the internet forever and that's IT and there's no growth.

And in the silence, dissidents, and that's how they would have ve done that if they had ever known that, that was going to be what IT is. Now I think that's exactly what's going to happen with mine reading software and mind reading technology. I think it's a the're going to I don't think you know.

And also, look, they're just human beings too. They're going to want that yeah. If they find out there's a technology that allows you to communicate with people in a completely new way, and it's much more fulfilling, and we understand each other much Better, we really do realized that we are all one.

Imagine we can communicate with this technology that ends war overnight. Yeah, IT makes war literally impossible. You realized that these people that you're about to bomb or you and that we're all the same thing, role one consciousness, experiencing itself through different bodies, in different lives, in different experiences, in different genes, in different parts of well, but we're all genuinely the same thing. Yeah yeah.

I know IT brings up a lot of questions like where we would go from there though, like how it's going to change from the aliens land.

The alien figured out finally a .

man ah and that's what IT takes to bring aliens down. And i'm all for IT if that's what IT takes to really get us to be face to face. The only thing I keep tell my body is like I am all down for the whole like aliens come in as interacting them in everything as long as they're not the montage. If they are the man tage people, I I don't want anything to do with them. I think I just don't want IT with you.

bro. Yeah, the mantis people imagine mantises like the size of a dog. We will be so fuck. We'd be so fuck. One of the most ganger videos i've ever seen online is like a geo.

And the geo is trying to eat the matters, and the eco walks up to matters and and tries to get IT in the matters like not how many eat you, my god, and echoes like what is happening. You can see a look at the space. It's like so confused and it's got it's clause these fucking in these giant things ah wrapped around and controlling and this is just starts .

eaten its face yeah mentor like insects themselves like you really get up close to an insect like that thing is ugly. I do not like IT one bit now imagine that. And the things i've heard about the matter is they are not the size of a dog. They're like the size of like multiple people. And no, things like absolutely not.

The mantis aliens are not too familiar worth. I've seen couple things online. How many people in the matter?

Aliens yeah I know of one story where there was a hunter just walk around and um got like dark over him or something and he looked up um and there was just like a ship over him and he looked through a scope and he looked right into like mantis people and yeah and i'm not okay with that like that's that's the one alien story I think i'll stay far away from and hope it's something else.

What do you got to think that insects have some kind of bizarre and intelligence because that if you've ever seen leaf cutters and colonies, when they they pour the cemented mum, and you realize, like how sophisticated they are, like, how do you guys do this? How do you figure this out? Is like they have channels where the air can pass through that so they can for mental leaves, so they have like a fermentation factory inside their economy.

And the colony is huge, and it's so big. And you like you little tiny fockers built a city underground right here, there's gotto be some sort of intelligence. Now, if ants evolved to the point where they developed that kind of intelligence, who's to say that in a different environment where ants have more access is to food, more access to resources and more competition, that they don't evolve to the point with that intelligence? IT keeps getting scaled up, and they get to, like a human human level intelligence from an insect or beyond.

Why not? Yes, they just need some psychiatric or something to really get that .

brain to grow or a neural link, right? That's what I have a feeling. I have a feeling that in the future, everyone's going to be some sort of a cyber and everyone else is going to be artificial, that they'll be complete life forms that were developed just with computers, just like computers, technology, whatever, a form of chips.

And and they'll put together things that are more intelligent than us, can communicate with us, can work with us. But that's going to be one of those things, going be one of us, and that will be a different life form that exists alonso with us. But I don't think they'll be very many people like me.

No chip, no nothing, just a person like like what is that more on doing? You run around. No chip.

You know I think in the future, it's going to be everyone's going to have something that enhances them. We are to do with our phones. Yeah, you know. It's it's going to be something like beyond that where it's going to be so compelling that everyone .

gonna want to do IT going to get .

IT IT comes out not saying I am not going to get IT I might get IT I might have I don't want to be alone yeah, be the only person who can read minds. I pride wouldn't want to be the first adapter yeah, yeah.

That was an argument that I had with doing this was, do I really want to be the first? I mean, who knows what kind of problems was .

gonna but but for a guy like you, I would say like they're pretty sure that works and they were right. Yeah, you know, and how cool was IT the first day we will play video games?

Yeah, I was awesome.

I was .

really play civilization six. No, I know you've heard of that. It's a massive game and something i've been wanting to play for a long time.

I was able to kind to sort of play with some different assistant technology over the last few years, but not really. And I played IT like all night I didn't sleep. IT was freaking awesome.

Um man, I just love. I mean, I grew up being a gamer. I grew up in kind of this age. So the last eight years i've watched all of my friends play games that i've one of the play. And the fact that I might be able to play some of them like some of them are still a too far out of reach for the neural ink at this point, but not for much longer in the next few years. I think i'll be able to play anything anyone else say, hey, well, I love you going to .

be able play that yeah.

I hope so. I really hope so. Yeah.

we play shooters.

I call yeah yeah that that brings up another thing, like I basically have an a boat in my head. So yeah, so they'll .

probably have .

like different leagues for people like me because it's just not fair.

wow. Is IT that accurate?

It's that accurate and it's and it's faster. One thing that I found with the nerlinger, something that I count blew my mind too, is that when i'm attempting to do stuff, sometimes i'm thinking IT to like move in a certain place. Sometimes it's so good that it's moving before I even I think IT to move.

It's almost like you think about moving your hand um the signal is basically already to being sent before you move your hand like your your mind is saying, okay, he's about to move his hand basically. So the signal needs to be sent all the way down and back up in order for free you to move your hand. So the speed that all that happens and it's almost a little preemptive.

I saw that with a narrow link where IT was moving the curse before I was actually moving my hands. wow. So with video games, stuff like that, you just need to think for you to move somewhere. And is that accurate and it's quicker than you can even think. So there's no way it's going to like no one else is going to be able to offer .

that's going to be wild for something like quake, like first person and like a fast first person shooter. You run IT down hallways and you just catch some people and shoot them instantaneously.

You want to ask, have a few day there. Wasn't he like one of the best quake players in the world? Was he? Yeah, I I don't know that. yeah. I think he was like one of the top quake players in north amErica at one point.

I don't without that like I know he's a game or I know he gets addicted to games yeah especially of that is that exciting that's going to be so dupe for you, man. You be blocking people up.

Yeah, i'll just enter tournaments and I won't tell them I have the narrow link and I don't know how I would do IT.

I guess yeah.

but if I do IT all online.

like kind cool for you to play them in a tournament, like a one on one tournament .

and fuck up like .

the best players in the world when i've be insane, yeah, I bet they would play you just to say for sure, for sure you because like there's tactics and strategy, especially if you're like doing one on one death match. We have to know like when the the health responding and when the weapons responding, how a control map so they will have like a little bit of advantage in that. But if you just can't .

believe i'm preti like IT yeah .

I like IT. Now what about the r has there been um any sort of uh interface that allows you to use like metas VR or not? No.

not yet. I don't think so. Like a lot of what we ve done is just the computer at this point while they're planning on doing IT in the phones, I did connect to us an intendo switch at one point.

Slim mario car. Um that something that isn't like too far off as well for me to just be able to do that on my own. But that's going to be every council, I don't see why you are will be any different. I think at some point in the study, they're gonna do IT just to see if IT works. I don't see why I wouldn't.

I know the only thing that I would says that VR actually requires physical movement. Like there's a couple games that we have yeah.

but if if the brain is already pret your like motor cortex, the movement of your motor cortex, then you can just think, move this and will move IT in V R as well. I think IT work right.

But you're actually moving these handles in V R H.

Yeah, I see which mean, yeah.

I see you know you have the handles.

Get optimistic bot, and then have him, have him hold the V, R. Handles and then you .

can control he's connected to you. Yes.

to be the same.

bro, you're gona be inside that thing. Walk .

around. I always know you give me an optimistic bot. Have you get one of those like baby chest Carrier or something? And you can just Carry me around like that. And you .

imagine walking on the street with that that so you'd excEllent step on.

People ever watch dave ship pells like show that he did? There .

was a yeah was of no.

There there is one about homestake graphs um and it's basically like a little person that they Carry around on one of those Carriers like they're back and it's just like a snog PHD。 He's typing down everything you say and I just want something .

like that like a little you'd just only be sitting there that you want anyone like your head on the chest .

and it's 嘟嘟 yeah， yeah we say.

what's this guy do there? IT is like .

and he just reads back.

oh.

what you said.

yeah so yeah so I do remember that bit yeah yeah that would like. I think the future is going to be very interesting. And I think there's going to be a lot of really wild discoveries that build upon other wild discoveries and stuff like neural link. I'm sure there's competing companies that are doing .

something similar, and that's what i'm saying. I think that um like i'm pretty sure some of the people who have left nearly have gone either started their own companies are have gone to other companies are doing something similar. I think nurlan advancements now are going to pull everyone else up.

Think neil link will be at the lead for quite a while. But I don't see why companies that haven't been able to achieve but newlin k is a team now won't be able to do IT in a year or two time, like especially like I said, because neural ink k is making everything so open source. And there's people like me out there who are just talking about IT like willingly ly that um I don't see why other companies want to you know find some way to catch up over time.

Now for sure, I think with them leading the way in the fact that it's been implemented and it's been successful in the fact authority improving upon the software and how years and being able to correct issues with IT, what is their timely like in terms of next being able to use something that allows people to move that couldn't move, restore site, do they have at a time line.

but they think, yeah, I don't know. I keep saying that it's all going to happen in my lifetime, for sure. I keep saying that it's going to happen in the next ten years, twenty years, where quo pologies s like me, paralyzed people won't have to be paralyzed anymore.

I have this vision of someone being paralyzed, going into the hospital, getting the narrow link and walking out like a day or two later, which I think is totally possible, I think is going to happen a lot sooner than later, especially how fast all this moving in the fact that this is like successful now um I think at all I don't know that I would help me persue um like even though I said IT in my lifetime um part about being paralyze the quarter plagiary is my body is just deteriorated so much that even if they did give me something to like make me able to move again, my boat is just so jacked up at this point that i'm not sure that would really help that much. I could probably build IT back up to a certain point, but even people who have recovered or have spend part of studies where they get some movement back, their bodies just don't work. The same cause of atrophy because of atrophy like one of my, you know, ankles is completely jack up.

It's like twisted the wrong way. I have to wear this hand brace because if I don't, my fingers are all just like curled up basically. And so like correcting some of that would take probably some extensive surgery.

One of my buddies is like one of the top ortho surgeons in the united states so maybe I could get him to go in and fix IT all um but IT would be a lot and i'm not sure what help and muscle atrophy so I don't know but I that doesn't matter to me. What matters is that people won't have to be paralized in the future like that. That's more like that's worth more than anything.

Well, that's also one of the legitimate uses for steroids, one of the legitimate uses for steroid as the people with like muscle wasting disease and yeah people like severely atrophy and that IT allows them to build up tissue Better.

Maybe that would .

help yeah just stem cells, steroid gonna you superhuman bro yeah I mean, everyone kind of already one, especially if you're playing you quake. I can't wait to see that that's now with a the future of this stuff um it's going to um eventually get to a point where it's probably like in the beginning, is probably going to be very difficult to quite right. Like very expensive, but it's probably in the future going to be much more accessible. Yeah, when do they like if yours is, if they complete your trial, they find a satisfactory they have like a way to do IT. When will the average person who is a quo pologies be able to start being able to use something?

This tech? I have no idea. I know that my study is like the main part of the study is a year and then five years kind of extensive, like follow up stuff in the study.

So once that's done, however, many people i've seen numbers up to like a few hundred people have IT in this five year um timeline. So once all that happens um I don't know what like phase two is with this. I would say twenty years, but that's me probably also being very optimistic.

I have no idea. I don't know like what the fd is gonna de all this. I don't know how much how many more phases of the trial did not happen before that, I really could not tell you. Um but honest, I think it's with my lifetime for sure.

And how did they contact you? How did you want to get in chosen .

yeah um my buddies probably out there having a frequent heart attack. So basically what happened was I knew nothing about neural ink. I was just lying in my bed one day and I got a phone call from my buddy at, like eleven A M or something.

And he, I answered the phone as IT what's up? And he was like, you know, nearly just open up their first in human trials. He was like, you should apply for this was like, cool. Like what is IT sorry, you explained IT to me, gave me like a five minute run down what you're doing in stuff and we applied over the phone like I was basically like told them all my information. He applied, uh, for me um he spelled my name wrong on the application, which is pretty funny because he was drunk at the time again on on a on a wednesday night of the week like eleven A M, he was already wasted respect yeah respect to the .

daily drinkers.

Yeah yeah. He was his justice. Action for IT is that he was like going to a wedding that weekend. He didn't drink in a long time. He is like, I need to understand what my tolerance is so he drink like a whole bottle of fireball or something like that just to see like how he would be. Um so yeah we did all that um and then something like a dare to they contacted me and then I went through about a month long application process of different like zoom interviews and staff and finally culminating in a like an in person interview or in person like full day of testing where they did like eight hours of tests on me um like different scans, blood test, your test, things like that um and then I was just waiting .

what was like when you found I was going to .

be you IT was cool. IT was cool. You get an email.

you get a phone call.

They called me. They called me for the first. Like, so I I applied like september late september, september, like nineteen. There's something around that day, a month later, october and of october, I had finished my testing and interviews, and then I didn't find out they had chose me until maybe the end of november, early december.

And even when they said they chosen me, they said I was going to be one of the first, like three people that they were doing for the first part of the study so they didn't tell me I was going to be the first um they just said we selected you as one of the cana. It's basically um and so that I was really, really cool and then IT was sort of a back in fourth. Do I want to be the first? Do I want to wait till I have someone else? Because being the first, um a lot more risk obviously and I have the worst version of the nearing that's ever gonna in anyone.

It's only gonna get Better. So like maybe i'll let someone else to get the first and then I get a Better version in the second or third one um but ultimately being the first to school um it's something that I just decided to do. I was like this this is the best way I can help to if anything goes wrong, I D rather go wrong to me then passing IT up and having someone else struggle, having someone else if like, got forbid anyone like anything bad happened to someone I would rather had happened to me and i'd rather not have passed up and watching up to someone else.

So um decided to do IT was a god. Just let me know if i'm going to be the first or not. Obviously, I wanted to at that point. And then about a month later, they called and they were like we're going to do your surgery. You're going to be the first person.

I think in december, they told me that he could be me and they said that we might end up having you be the first and IT could happen as early as like made december. And that kind of stressed me out because I was a little worried that something bad would happen and I would have ruined Christmas for my family forever is like if this is right around Christmas and something bad happens like Christmas is going to be ruined forever. Um luckily they waited like an extra months and a half.

But IT was cool, like like I get pretty level expectations to the whole thing. I didn't know what was going to come of IT. I didn't know if I was going to end up doing media or anything.

There was something that I talk to my parents about, but IT wasn't something that I really wanted to do. I wasn't wanting to like, get famous or anything from this. There are a couple of things that I did want to do and ultimately that's why I decided to do media. But um there I was school, right?

You have a very noble and selfless outlook. Have you always had that?

No, no. I I would say being paralyzed made me just rethink a lot of things in my life, a lot of my perspective. I mean, one thing about being paralyzed is there's especially being a quality gic.

You just have a lot of time to think. I thought through everything i've ever done, all the mistakes I ve made, why I was, who I was, where I like, where I was, I realized a lot of things about myself. I realized, you know, that I wasn't the person who I thought I was.

I always built myself up a certain way. And then going back through all of my interactions with everyone of the mistakes I made, I realized i'm painting a much pretty picture of myself in my head than who I like actually was. Then a lot of the interactions I had with people, you know, actions speak out of the words.

And if I was thinking I was a great person and treating people like absolute dark crap, basically like, then maybe i'm not as good as a guys. I thought I was. I realized I wasn't as good as a son as I thought I was.

I wasn't as good of a boyfriend as I thought I was. I wasn't a good of a friend like. So I found the reasons why I was doing these things. And I thought about IT for probably a few years just lying on my bed staring at walls for you know eight ten hours a day, just thinking um and eventually I came to this conclusion that um partly through my like faith, my interactions with god, partly just because I wanted to be Better I wanted to be a Better person. I realized that there were things that I could do to help and this seems like my best chance honestly wow.

That's a wild thing to happen to someone to have an other radical shift in perspective that's forced upon you.

Yeah yeah I I urge you say, I I was watching I can remember who I was watching your interview um maybe he was the tucker interview, maybe he was the um terrence hour interview because I just watch this once recently and you were talking about people like people never having been through anything like extreme happen to them. And so um you know they are never forced to think certain ways or they just don't know they never grow in certain ways.

That's paraphrase. But he was along those lines. And now being a quality playa is I kind of make this joke but it's it's easier than people think. Um I mean, I just get waited on uh, all the time. I get to line in bed and watch T, V and read books and people bring me food and bring me drinks and people do everything for me like it's really not that bad um but obviously IT was really, really hard like being paralyzed, getting all of the things that I love to do most taken for me like I was a really big athlete. I played like every sport under the sun and then not being able to play sports anymore was one of the hardest things that I think i've ever had to go through.

Um and there are a lot of other things not having any privacy anymore um like having to have everyone do everything for me, like go to the bathroom, having to take a shower with people having like my parents scrub me in the shower or having my mom like helped me go to the bathroom, like it's just it's not easy and it's not easy being a burden to everyone around you. And people always say like you're not a burden in like like we love you and we would do anything for you. But I like I am I know I am, it's not someone is gonna be able to convince me that i'm not and I understand that they love me and they willing do IT.

But at the same time, like, like, obviously, there are things that if I could change, I would and I can't. So I just have to try my best to know, do as much as I can for those around me. And this is part of what I can do. I've thought for years, like, what can I possibly do to help? And this is, this is that I think as much as I can, I want to do everything with nearly to make things Better for people in the future.

That's a beautiful way of engaging with this man. IT really is. And, uh, I think, uh, what happened you is tragic, but your perspective is pretty fucked and cool really is, really is it's it's beautiful to hear and um I mean, I wish all the best I really hope that this becomes something that allows you to move again and I mean and that they keep improving upon IT. And thank you for risking this and thank you for being the first guy.

Ah yeah no worries. People keep seeing a lot of weird things about me like you you're like an Apollo astronaut. I don't see myself that way.

I know that people keep saying you're the first. You're like a pioneer. I don't see myself that way at all. Um I just think anyone in my position would have done IT. I think that .

I guess .

IT took a bit bravery. I don't think I just I don't see myself that way. I just think that I did IT so um to show people like I did IT because I knew that I could.

I did IT because I knew that I was capable of going through IT. Um I did you know became a quality gic and I made IT out the other side like I feel I feel good about my life. I feel like I manage that prety well.

I'm a pretty chill guy, so feel like I rolled with the punches pretty well. Not that the same thing with narrow link. And so like I never thought of myself like trial lazing or anything, but it's just cool to be a part of and i'm really happy that nearly chose me and i'm looking forward to having some like cyber bodies in the future yeah .

how long before you can link those things together?

I guess we ll find out when they get the next patient like next participant, like maybe a couple months and will be chat with each other. Um I mean, i've been you know having telepathic communications with pager the monkey for a few months. No one knows about IT, but we talk about that kind of stuff all the time. He's oddly obsessed with the new planet of the apes movie.

But tell you kind of joke is you can't crack jokes like that. I don't know if you tell the truth, you should talk to a monkey. Tell basically, no, you're joking. yes. See, I can tell because .

have human eyes. Yeah.

yeah, yeah. I think you do. Okay, what? They're really good. yeah. You know, if they can develop an, I just like artificial intelligence can make images like priority folking closed. Maybe they can have all that just really does kind of like talk to you little bit.

makes you think .

just know when someone's bullshit. Do you come on?

Yeah, there is no way I talked to pager at all on a daily basis, Alice.

Now i'm think, can you do now i'm going on the other way with IT. Yeah it's it's exciting. Times is very interesting.

Yeah um the ability that you have right now is limited to computer interfaces, right? What about other smart things? Can you interact to that that could you interact with other sort of electronics?

What you have to be? Not really, it's all of the computer um just because in order to even interact the computer, IT has to be upload with that APP. And so that's why like putting you on the phone or something, you just upload the APP onto IT um any sort of other devices, there's ways to like connect them.

So like for me, even with the switch is through my computer still, but then you run like a car from my computer through like a converter box and then into the um into the switch. So it's all through the computer right now. I don't think it's going to be that way forever.

I think it's going to be much easier to connect other devices in the future, especially if nearly takes off like I think I will. Then companies will start just upload the software onto IT, downloading software to IT. So that way you can um connect to IT. Like it's going to be one of those things. We're like it's elexa compatible.

It's nearly link about, right, right? That makes sense, especially if this widespread implementation of this and IT turns out to be a real thing. You might be something that someone has to have like you have to will chair rap. But certain businesses.

yeah, yeah, you test the phone. I'm sure he's gonna build all that into that. All the optimists.

robots going to have a built.

Do you make a test?

Yeah he I think when when he said that all there they might ban apple devices because they are going to use open a and why is going on yeah I get real nervous when someone way fucked and smarter than make its nervous yeah you know when he's saying that if if A I basically what saying is I think the parthenay, he's saying that apple wasn't smart enough to create their own artificial intelligence, but they're smart enough to keep artificial intelligence from running rampant through the Operating system like I don't think they are. Yeah.

I don't I don't trust IT. I don't trust. I want to a head road.

Yeah, yeah. What can trust if .

I had to larger hands' voice in my head all the time? I don't think I mind.

I would be dreaming.

Yeah IT IT would be OK IT would be OK just to dream.

my voice will listen. Thank you very much for being here. Thanks for being you. And let's do again sometime in the future we see like what you what improvements and how is going.

Hey, man, absolutely. As we as we move this thing along, then i'm more than happy to come back. Alright yeah.

thank you very much. Oh, of social media, anything where people .

can find like at mod quad, I think it's called I have like an instagram myself and i'm get another stuff up and running, start like streaming more and stuff so I will be IT will be out .

there you to stream yeah I did once.

I did like kind like a test stream about to do another test stream probably this week at some point in the next few days. Then was streaming from like video games and stuff.

That's great, man. I think people would love to see that and love to hear you .

talk about your experiences to this.

Got a great .

perspective. yes. Yeah, you two, 2.

two, all the best. Thank very much. Goodbye, everybody.