#2150 - Greg Overton
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The joe rogan experience.

My and pull up .

to the I was shooting .

narrows .

on my back yard and um .

some .

podcast came up and it's a greg over time and I get the my boy Justin .

who's for pitch burg Justin he does a curious Jones podcast and we also do those zipes he does lose so let zips curis jone's podcast in the black track, the on the summer that .

we have outside next to the see sammi armor, mr.

S, in the sore, the sore, even old in the armor.

the armor from the eighteen hundreds. But the source from the fifty hundred hundred.

so is that that's right before the same goal. G die though, time of the country at war, the three hundred years where they are at war.

I'm trying to think that .

IT begin in .

the fifteen hundreds. I A S um so .

I first done out .

about I hadn't. Do you remember what year was? Man, um I remember I was with my family was in salt lake and we're walking by this gallery and there was this fuck in delt painting.

It's huge painting of this native american guy with a buffalo skull that had a bullet hole in head. And as, like, god, don't know if we're going to put that, we're going to put that good thing. And I I snoozed, I snoozed and .

I lose and got fight, but I did lose, you know. But that do is an interesting story. And i'll just tell you, like I had I was shown with this other gallery for a long time that that same painting was like in the back room and they weren't really given me my props, which is what people will do if they just want to kind of keep you at a certain level.

So do they do that to keep your Prices down?

They do that so you don't leave the gallery. So I won't get too big for the gallery because but they .

don't go off on like you did.

But no, i'm loyal. Fuck do i'm still at the galleries that that were cool, you know. I mean, if if the people hook me up, I want to hook them up, i'm going to stay there. I mean, but like, I just wasn't get in my do at this other gallery. So I decided how long you've .

been painting for the time.

I mean, professionally, I think about sixteen years, but you know, i've been doing since as .

I can send my professional. And when did you get I want to say, obsessed. That's the right word, right? When is born with native american culture?

Yeah, I mean.

from the time you were little.

there is books in my grandparents house like the one I was called fighting indians of the west. And then there was like rosell and remington books, the painters. And so I just look at these photos of like sitting ball and I was not say crazy s but it's no photos of crazy s but like jornado and said like that and I just saw a look in their eye like a wild person, somebody who wasn't trapped by the system. And I mean, and as a little kid, I just knew that I knew that was Better, I knew was powerful. I just .

really like that connected to IT yeah IT is so fascinating that so many um native americans who got captured and put into the reservation systems then eventually like integrated with western culture fucker and hated IT.

But when western people, either when they were Young, if they got kidnapped or if they integrated with the tribes like a lot of trappers, a lot of people integrated with the tribes when they try to bring them back to western society, they all wanted to leave. They're get me the fuck out here. I don't want to do this.

It's like we have this idea that cities in, especially back then when you talk about cities and eighteen hundreds, that somehow another was Better. He always have the the idea that progress in terms of like what's going on right now is Better than what was going on before. We always have that in our head that we're doing that there. But IT doesn't seem to ring true to the human spirit. There's something about human beings that they absolutely prefer that life.

Yeah, I mean, I stood. You are more of a human being if you're live in that life, if you're live in a life in city where you have to go do something you don't want to do and you have to go hanging out with people, you really is like your tribe is your tribe. You belong. There is a totally, just simply, Better, more real way of life.

I think that thing you just said to about your tribe, because too many people today, their tribe is not someone they chose. Their tribe is just people that they're stuck with because they're working with them. You know if you're working, like if you are safe, you're married person, you're marry couple and you both work you both with other people at least eight hours a day.

How long you together? You're together for a few hours and nine and you go to sleep. Yeah.

your tired is not a quality way of life.

What's not the people you chose is the people that your occupation chose, or the opportunity for employment chose. And then you got ta deal with these fuck and smugs in your office. I've have been very fortunate.

I never had to work in an office my whole life. I dodged office life, but I got a lot. People are worked with fuck and annoying man just, just got in your way there, always there, there is fucked in imposing their bullshit on you. And if you're a person that works in an office, especially if you have a bunch of bosses, the boss employee relationship is so often abused is such an abusive place to be where you have this person that gets to tell you what to do and make you sometimes work on weekends and make you, like, stay overtime and upset at you. If you do X, Y or z, which is no bear, forces you to have the same ideological beliefs as them, forces you have .

the same political rv.

E, S.

I think our country is almost like right now is that mother foker milton, you remember him who was like they're kind of pushing up to the size and how much shit he'll .

put up other people go right? Yeah, that's Steven root.

Yeah that's my man. But he he's just like put how much shit when these model arcus put up with yeah and that's that's your life in an office but you're and you're taught as a kid go on a high school like if you do a good job here, you get to have an office job that's what you're fuck .

in shooting for yeah and you're working all day at school to try to do that. It's very complicated, man, trying to get through the education aspect of your childhood in the indoctrination aspect because that's what IT is. It's indoctrinating you into believing that the only way that you can get by in this life is to become a part of this exact same system.

So that this is why school is structured like that. Mean, it's structured like that to teach you, but it's also structured like that. We are sitting down in front of people all day long learning things that you don't want to learn, uh, being forced to be a mobile when when you're a child and you literally a humming .

bird of energy so bad .

for you inside FLorence and lights on could Carry before you the whole thing, bad for you, bad feeling. I couldn't wait to run away from IT. Like everything, every fiber of my being was opposed to IT.

But they had everyone convinced that if you didn't do this this way, you're gonna a fucking and loser. And that's what I was convinced. I was convinced I was gonna be a loser. So I was like, I got to figure a way to make money outside of regular jobs because a fuck loser.

I can do a good job. I got to do a loser job. I have be a loser.

I have to be a construction worker. I have to do something else. I have to do something that's outside the norm because I just, I can't vog and do this.

I can sit down. I can. I, I, I have too much energy, so bored. And it's also a terrible way to learn things. Like the best way to learn things is things you enjoy, things you enjoy.

And then if you learn that you do seem something that you enjoy and you really get good at IT you go, oh, I can apply that everything, I can apply that all things like, but they don't teach you that they teach you. You got ta funk and said, still, you ve gotta pay attention. You got ta memorize some nonsense. You've got to do some shit, do these fucking and calculations and make no sense to like you ve got, you got to memorize these fucking people. A distorted version of the actual history, you know which is almost always with they're teaching some we're distortion written .

by the winners and .

and if you don't do that, you're a loser. We have such a goofy society.

Yeah that but do we made IT and we think didn't we were born into IT?

I mean, we, like our ancestors.

made IT, but I think they were. Maybe they returned to do the right thing. Maybe they had good intentions.

Maybe we don't know. But IT, turns out, is fuck and stupid. Why do we keep doing IT?

I think it's an industry trick. Everybody industry gave people jobs. Jobs are easy.

You know, you need to feed people you to eat. You need to have a room of your head. Okay, here's a job this way and get a roof over my head.

Especially these people that came over like my grandparents did, they came over from italy. So like this factor, they didn't know what the how was going on. They didn't know was going self body.

You got to a job. You going to get a job, a job. I got to eat.

Because the reality of life, then in the one thousand, twenty years, everybody was fucked and starving to death. People were starving due, wait one hundred pounds, no, had food. IT was a real possibility.

You could starve to death in america. People like real poor, real poor in like the nineteen, twenty years. And so they all just did IT and now we're still doing IT and everyone's fucked and miserable.

And then everyone gets to up. Not everyone, obviously you not miserable, not miserable. The the dog, everyone stuck in that trap is miserable. If you can hate their bosses, they hate their CoOperation, can we to get out .

talk shit about him? And and they're they're pissed of people that got out of IT.

Oh yeah, no. Or are people that are free of IT? Yeah, they don't like people that are free of IT.

You know the guys have this conversation with my kids about like pod casters and influencers. You know they were talking about this girl. She's making millions of dollars and not I got.

Here's how you have to think about that. IT seems ridiculous that she's doing that, but he has a product, whatever that product is. She's making videos or tiktok or what have you? Someone's consuming that problem. She's a business person is just the business is ridiculous, easy to get into, and the product is nonsense.

You got a handed door for a simulation.

SHE got lucky SHE got born in the right time. I think if that lady was born in one nine hundred and and she's fucked there, but she's not, you know. But then then you also have to deal with, like from a psychologist perspective, if you talk to psychologist about growing up in this time, it's one of the most chAllenging times because people are inundated by other people's lives.

You're inundated by these people driving cars. You couldn't imagine driving, living in these crazy homes, flashing money, wearing all these designer cloth. Everybody's on, got a filter orontes. So the skin looks perfect. They look way more beautiful than they do in real life.

And you like, god damn, like, what is life? Like, what? what? What do I have to aspire to? Like what am I looking for? What i'm going to get add to this, you know you .

don't have meaning, you don't have a sense of belonging that you make a difference like that's a fuck and empty sad life yeah.

it's a duck life as opposed to a life that you're living a life of an artist like a life that you know there's U U labour at these pieces that you make and the people stand at home ago like do that one that you made for me the ah the one with a the guys got all the the face paint like like a gray and black face paint on do you know the one i'm talk king yeah yes do that one that ones in my a my library when people walking that to go, oh shit i'm yeah right look at that thing. You stare at that painting star IT for hours like so much each, there's so much going on and IT.

that's what you have to do if you are going to actually see him an artist IT has to stop mother fuckers in their tracks and kind of wake up all of a little bit, and then they can even stop thinking about IT the rest of the day because it's like.

has anybody ever done to a Jackson pollo?

I not less there. A lot of .

the maybe that's not miss IT, maybe it's like a dead concert. I dad .

sounds Better. If you're right.

it's amazing. It's amazing. But keep find that follow up their painting jamin. That's one to have.

I don't you're talking about. So catch.

yes, so catch. Have that one of my house to like that want to top to the one of that .

that the one .

and that thing is massive. It's a massive painting is huge and it's sitting in my library, you can really see all .

the detail on IT that good because it's like A J pig. And it's kind of when you blow IT up, you can see it's high resolution. But you know when you look at the the snake scales, dude.

oh, the snake scales. But really the thing that that gets me, as always, its face, just the close up of his face with all the paint in the cracked paint. Fuck, I love that binning.

Know you put your soul into IT and IT speaks, it's alive. yeah.

IT speaks, that one speaks, that one speaks.

I think that's what art is. So it's it's speaking without words. It's communicating through this.

I mean is the most archaic languages that we have, like those cave drawings and stuff, probably language IT wasn't that advance when they were doing that, but they want to say something profound, you know, I mean, like they didn't have like books and poems and all that. They weren't advanced as far as writing stuff down. So theyd write IT down in a like a pictograph.

And that's how they would communicate those deeper truth. And if if you look at those cave drawings are always they have the same themes. You know have you looked at those a hunter and he's kind of with the animals, they're going along and then there's like there's big tone of the fucker with a space helmet on.

There's a lot of yeah there's a lot of explain that. Yeah yeah. I mean.

I don't know if if I have to you have to just look at the fucking thing.

They plain IT why don't know what that means? I really don't I they could have been trip and balls or I could be that when you trip and balls, you meet those folks and they're real .

I thought I was going to say as like the same with grateful dead.

Yeah, it's got ken. I often thought about that about UFO experiences because I think maybe it's like a state of mind. There's a state of mind that you you can achieve and you can see them, you know not not if you're not there clearly but I think .

here yeah then they are there. But even not mean they're not.

They are all the time, right? The ideas if if there is something that's traveling .

here but might also interdependent yeah that's a .

lot of people think it's so hard to know because it's like it's such a multi fasted story, right? Because it's laced with bulls shit because people are bullshitter, right? So everyone bullshit.

Its they they distorted something to make a more interesting. They twist IT up in their own mind. You, even your own memory is absolutely terrible because .

you always want to make yourself be the hero yeah.

Or if you're like self loving, make your self be a shit. The yeah, you can do that too, but it's also it's just not reliable, right? So then you have this shocking thing where you not exactly sure what happened and then your body start to fill in or your mind start filling in the blanks with like a lot of nonsense.

And then he started telling them to people over and over again. And then after a while, your memory is of the memory of you telling IT and barely even of the UFO experience itself. It's like you've told IT this way for a certain amount of times. So you kind of keep repeating IT yeah.

And like was the motivation there is IT now just a story you tell to get attention.

What makes you Better? Specialist, talk to me. Now we have to always be careful of anything that makes you special, anything that makes you a special person.

What makes you special to use? Did you really see big food? Or you just fucked and loser? You know, like it's going on. You are. You .

fuck just even special.

I think big foot might be one of them, things too. I think maybe I struggles with the idea that everyone's lying. I really do.

But I also struggle with the idea of this unknown by petal. Harmony is eight feet tall. Like, where's IT shitting? What does IT eat? Where's its bones? No one seen him on a trail camera. How's that possible? But why would everybody be live?

But maybe smart, maybe a few digs. toilets? no. Well, there's no chance .

is so smart that IT knows what to try. Camera is. But IT never made its own trail camera.

No, no chance, no chance. IT doesn't get photograms. No, too many people go to the back country.

You know, all my friends that really go deeper in the bad country, and my friends like, and tonight, no, he does this. A crazy back country hunts. You will go twenty six miles in with everything on his back.

And they hunt for weeks, weeks at the time. None of those guys have stories like that. None of them, not one. The only the people that are nervous in the woods that don't understand the woods. You know, I saw squirl wants in villa couple of seconds.

I thought I was .

a wolf. I T A T wolf of fifty years, they turn that at the court.

I think.

But you know, i'm saying and like there's bears that stand up on two legs, they do that all the time. People see that in between the trees. You think you saw big food, you know? But I deny I wonder about like just see the heightened state of mind that you're in when you're in the force and you're scared, you know, because you've been that was before.

And for people that haven't are really recommended because it's so humbling, there's something about just the underived vulnerability that you have and that you don't really mean that much. You you might think you mean a lot, but you're just a part of this massive system. Let's go on this massive system of life.

And if you're in that and this is a new experience for you and then you've start freaking ing out and then you think you saw something and your brain is in overdrive. When your mind starts pattern forming, you start looking for them. You've heard about big and nice are seeing big good. yeah. I think there's a little bit of that.

I am sure a lot of people do. If they're getting drawn, there may be they are smoking we or whatever. Yes.

I mean, god. But then again, maybe if you are drunk or smoking the weed, maybe you can hit that spot. Maybe is a frequently cy that .

you can hit where with that. But I think, I think is cool. The woman, if IT was real, would be really cool. Some people .

all in and you can't even talk.

They needed a harvey. I got sells and fuck t shirt.

Big foot, like finding big foot that show. How do they pull that .

off for many seasons?

Are finding big food of IT might still be going, they really want you can just keep there's a certain amount of slack job people, me included, that would .

just sit and for that and just like like the river monster show show .

that guys fishing, fishing is fun.

just crazy. So he just jumps down in the fucking and swam and brings up this big .

demand of tiger fish, that your fish that crazy. And .

in africa, and they really brought they thought back as the the search continues, we couldn't think of a Better fuck title. The so many the shit continue. Big fut finding big foot. Further evidence.

no further evidence, get on.

And that's evidence that away for out there mean it's .

basically printing money as long as the people that are like on the TV show don't get cocky, think they deserve more money.

And you mind that you might they're going to find me my bug a gave a good anybody is code.

You might have to bring a new researchers, but then the researchers have to be accepted by the research community as a legitimate big foot researchers. legitimate? Yes, yes, we don't tolerate outsiders here, greg.

That's a job title. I'm a legitimate big researcher. I'm not like those bullshit. Big foot researchers are research both. It's just a .

duncan and I went. We hung out with big foot researchers when I did that TV show for sii called joe rogan, questions everything. We went and hung out with these big for people. And at the end you realize this is like, you guys just need a community. This is a .

community.

and it's a fun thing to think about. And the thing about, like the pacific northwest is like the woods up there, if you haven't been and it's like a box acute tips, you can't see shit through that. You can't see thirty feet, forty feet. You can't see anything. It's just fucking trees like everywhere.

And how how much does mushrooms have to do with big fit? Like there's a lot. Yeah L, S, big foot.

Like lebron. Laws is big and take big else. What is happening there? Are you .

seeing things aren't there? Or are you seeing things are there that you can see under Normal circumstances? Well.

do I think I think it's the latter. I think it's if they weren't there, you wouldn't be able to perceive them and those substances just help you to perceive things because you're too busy over here all the time in that reckon that brainwaves circuit that you're kind of trapped in right here, this reality tunnel, this stuff over here, there's blinders, you can see IT, right? The only way like what happens when you take those substances, you're fucking .

pupils that and all the sudden.

dude, I remember the first time that I really took a whole bunch of rooms when I was a kid. Me, a bunch of my friends. Like, we just got a hold of some bunch of money not going to get into that.

How that, you know, long story short, we turn this money into a big bag mushrooms. And we all went down to the bowling ally and eight, a whole bunch of them, and just cruise around, you know, try to go boating that and work out and just screamed out. And by then to the night, we're looking at the money that we still had and everybody's we have bunch of we were passed around balls .

and streaming out.

and we're looking at the money, and we're looking at the buildings on the fuck and system has us trapped with this. Money was termed up.

yeah. So is there with you. We start turned IT up.

Everybody, all my friends are listening like this. We are all there because there is probably like eight of us.

all my, he was tarring up your money, turn up our money, money.

Think IT was we had a fuck tone of money because we just, I was a little shit when I was a kid.

so I we don't need to you. Yeah.

yeah, yes, no. I mean, right. So anyway, that was enough .

money that I was a stupid thing.

We were little kids. No, it's we paid for IT. Later we got. We ve got butted hope once shit happen after that. The long story short, open up ten dollar bills.

Is the eighties about ten box? Yeah, the next day you'd put IT back in your pocket. And yes, because I do IT, but I think I was right to Jimmy.

I like.

but I think we tapped in the something saying the system is bullshit. And if we didn't tap into that, you wouldn't make IT where you did today. Like the fact that I saw that I started all those drugs and crazy shit when I was Young is what LED me here.

And I was going to bunch a ship for when I was a kid. And people say, what do you do an art? Because I want to do that.

And I was a kid. That's what I was wanted do for my like album covers, comic book shit like that. If you're like now, you're crazy. You're never in a fluke and do anything with art. But I think just being, you know, like a rebel and outcast that helped.

that made IT possible. What is the only way and you know, if you're a person that has like some crazy corporate job and you get locked into that, things can be very difficult for to break out and become an artist.

Yeah, although I actually did work for the government, for the feds for a while, which as a graphics guy for osha, for the occupational safety and health administration.

So what did you do?

I designed all the little pamphlets and like.

well, put your hand the machine .

don't Carry stuff like this, don't do this. And then they'd have me edit like pictures of people got electricity and got their faces one off and say, try to make this a little .

less bloody god.

And yeah, that made me rethink so many .

videos and instantly, people getting caught machines.

You want to know the worst one stupidist one. I have this all was three goods want to get high at work. They were as fault layers.

And I like this, jump in the as fault no mixer. I fucked and jumped in there to smoke a joint. All of them died .

like three days.

because as fault is deadly. yeah. Talks if you breathe .

is terrible for you. Oh, my god.

but I think I had to kind of get into the system before I started trying to do tattoos. And because I add Young kids and stuff, I had to, and it's hard to get into the art business. So I had to try to do that, right? But the nine eleven came along, and we lost our contract because all of the money went to military shit. And so I had to just make another plan. I tried to tattoo for a while that didn't work out, and then got in a fine art from there.

How did you are get in a tatti? How do you practice that? Do you practice like pig skin?

No about myself but a friend of mine actually from big looks tattoo best shop in sallie and also and then began what I didn't get you um but so I worked at big the looks for a while my friend rich runs at shop and he's like just a total gangster of tattooing and runs just a real tight ship. I prince there for a while, accidentally kicked my manager in the face, got fired.

How do you do that well.

is there is a bar next store that we always will go to after work and as all there just drink as fuck and there's some dude in their little light was trying to fight me or something. He's like, I kick your ass and so I go outside. I'm to finish my beer and i'll be up in a minute.

And I was trained to lots of moitie at the time. So I know I was ready, like whatever. And so I walk out the door and my friends hold in the door over, where does this do? Turn to kick my ass and he, right here, my work, he takes a swing at me who I barely duck IT went down the side walk as I are at, let's go. And I thought as soon as he gets with the rains, i'm going to hit him with that high kick, right? And so he gets to the rains, I throw out the .

high kick I spent around. And so and .

he hit your boss because he was going run show, because he saw going by, there is old grade, come on. And he goes like this, seriously, just hands out. So you went full .

rotation on the high cake. Good time wasn't good for .

would be good yeah I like I said, I got I got to trace some good moitie. And you told there is a couple of good schools are .

where do do good long cake.

But that was my thing. If I can really kick.

say, good night so you ready for that?

I knock his t tos. Yeah.

you didn't know verbs.

They won't give me come on.

Well, I thought you were trying to hit him instead of hit another go.

The Price still do, I didn't fucked.

can do IT might. But well.

how hamid were you though? Shit hammer. So I can see, like just through out the long cake take out, you know. But then I thought, because I do, to still stand in there like jog or not. And I thought I hit him with my best kick so I like this would has to go, oh no. And then i'm like all I judo for you, I think toss them onto the concrete and I started to, you know that when you have like .

a scar hold and you to check .

with your leg though, yes, so as pushing out the hip and ready, break his shoulder and fucked, and girlfriend kicked in the face to see his watch in the fight.

as promote the ground game in the .

street always do. And so he curies away, and I an over and grab, as I know you don't put on a cart, drop in nobles on. And then SHE wasn't done. This dudes girl from as bad as SHE fish out to me, think I ripped down my cheek. And somehow I got a fuck finger out of my mouth and like, i'm just going to kill this mother fucker now he's going to be no good to you at all. And then just hit him with a bunch of .

and bar fights are student that is long.

long, long time ago, like us.

Well, you know, IT all worked up. Yeah, isn't a funny how those doors close, door closing, your life new .

door opens well, I can. I call up the next day and I was like, you don't be a little late emerges like, no, you be a little fired mother, fuck, you kicked mike in the face. Oh, I I know so, but know.

I raise.

laugh about IT now, sure, those guys will go to kick out of soon. This .

street fights are .

so .

stupid. You know, please folks, to do IT don't .

do definite died.

Even the person who kills you, they wish they didn't do IT yeah .

don't do IT. I know people that have accidentally killed killed people on the street fights and stuff.

There's a guy who is a part file who just got a caught the other day. There's a bunch of these videos with these guys. Um they they like bake pedophiles like they bake them on social .

media like the old show to .

catch all right, catch bad. Yeah there's a bunch guys doing that on youtube right? In this one guy got caught. I only watched the clip of the goget punched and some guy walks up to, I think they do, is where in a mask and he is, he said something like, I got kids, mother fucker and soccer punched the student head and they do his old guy to any falls and you hear the bang of his head bounce off the sidewalk oh my, oh my god, that guys fuck and a pressure is dead and pressure he died, which happens.

I I tried to find up.

I don't know. Yeah, you heard about that too, right? yes. So this is that, so I don't know.

Can illegal?

I know it's not our company. okay? We'll don't show on the screen. Then there band see that do baLancers is head off and the guy runs off, but the sound of that guy's had hitting the concrete just hard. And that's how people die.

You don't realize how strong they are if they fuck and hit someone, you're a full grown man.

no. Did you google whether on his dad, this is the follow up for here. That's a video though.

Did you google? Like I read a story that he, I five days ago, yeah, I think I read a story much more recently that in hospital I don't know this true though because you know like everything is just for clicks now like bill marches point of this up that there was a um an article that said there was a three hundred percent rise in measles in the nineteen states. Do you know many cases that is three, five.

three hundred .

from nothing yeah I know anything.

I don't think I met any with meals.

It's very are these days no but the fact that they wrote that an article or three hundred percent rise and muzzles and everybody goes into a hot panic, like .

back in the day, maybe in the fuck, and fifties or something when they have jumped on that shit. If I was in in the newspaper, we found out about that. You like the food. There is so many people bullshit these days, and we let them get away with this.

And they've been both of the beginning. That's how we are still illegal. We are still illegal because a William and hest who ran host publications and William random st.

Is the guy started printing those stories in the paper about marijuana. You know you know that was marijuana was a name for a wild mexican tobacco, was a slang for a wind mexican tobacco. Cannabis was like well well known. And so they started saying he was a new drug called marijuana. He was um mexicans and black eyes to rape pipe.

But they would use IT after work because .

they weren't drinking not wasn't real. They were calling IT that .

because they were trying to get actually get they do anything.

They were trying to get marijuana to be illegal because they wanted hmmm out of business for paper.

That's what IT was for non. Yes, I on .

depend IT come up with the pattern for non. And then there was also paper meals like William randa, a first owned um forest that they would cut down to make trees. Yellow paper mills as well and hand paper was a superior paper.

And so when they came out with the decorations tor, which is a machine that was much Better at processing hemp fiber, they had a in popular mechanics magazine. So they started this campaign against hemp by creating this boogie man of A A drug called marijuana that made people crazy. So that was the news.

So that's the newspapers in the thirties. Men, so they have been doing this shit forever. They've been doing this same fucking thing forever.

I wonder there is over a time when the the media, the information was like, working for us, like that the. You know I mean.

like I think there's a good people that have been working for us, but there's always been stories that were like heavily influenced the intelligence community and by you know by special interest groups. And that's always been the case, man. Journalists have always been on the take, a certain percentage of l, yeah, this is a certain percentage.

Journalists that are .

just bullshit there. People a job like, that's their job. They work at this place. He says, hey, I want you to concoct this fucking and story. And I have to do is .

the same thing as, like, do I think the whole falcon problem with the government is lobby ous when I was a little kid, and I was super patriotic, like as a little kid, and I love the constitution, I think is just is so cool that the checks and baLances in the way the thing is supposed to work is amazing, awesome.

But then I heard about the lobby st, and I remember as a probate ten or twelve year old kid, go on what and and a teacher and say, yeah, yeah, it's their job to go and try to influence our senators. I like that, don't seem right. And what they do, they taken lunch, and they buy on shit to fuck and convent them to make, okay, get those mother fuckers out of there.

And they were good, because in all they got to do is answer to me and i'm the one pay in home. They're trying to get extra flock and money. That's the same thing as if I was like, you know, working for a gallery and then selling art on the sides.

Some shit. You I mean, you could and you know what happens like and like customers will come up to you and say, I saw you should at a gallery and I want to buy IT directly from you. And so then it's on you.

Is that if do you have a deal like with the gallery where like if you have your stuff up in the gallery, that they have to sell your stuff only through that gallery, I mean is very well yeah.

Because sometimes you have to you sign an exclusive and then some gallons of front, a bunch of money. So every deal is different. But right now, I do I don't sign exclusive deals. I just say you you show my stuff. I still sell a ton on my own, on my own.

but you do that now because you are established yeah .

but if they see IT in the gallery and they come to me and they say we sight in the gallery, when is there? I'll try to get the sale to go through the gallery to actually still cut them. Man, yeah.

because that's not really right. That's right. That's do because they saw in the gallery that's the whole benefit of the working relationship of you being in a gary. That's how I found galleries .

always surprised when you do IT. But who when you bought the painting you buy from, you had to go through the gallery. But I could have said, bro, fuck the galli from me. Yeah, with that cool exactly right.

In that sense, I understand what you say. Yeah, but is there a situation with some artists where they have their pieces up in a gallery and they're not even allowed to be commission ed to make a piece outside of the gallery?

I think if if they have an exclusive contract and they've fronted you money and if you come to them and say, hey, i've assaulted, think can you front me some more money and they're going to take care you okay.

So it's the fronting the money.

He is the issue, or the hardly never happened OK.

So for the most part, like safe. I went to gallery and I saw some peace, and IT was really dope. And they connect to me, to the artist, and I get a email and I contact to, and I said, here, I really love this.

I'm thinking of something along the theme. Can I contract to you to do something that? I commission you to do something that? And they say, yes, would you still have to go through the gallery?

I think, what do you think the right thing to do is though for the artist.

I think the right thing, if you find out about and through the galleries, probably goes through the gallery yeah that makes that makes sense yeah .

yeah and then like the gallery knows your loyal .

yeah also galleries are dope ah. We want to keep them open, you know, like I thought, and love going to galleries. I just I love seeing all the different I just love different people's expressions, you know, whether it's the music or through painting or illustration or sculpture, whatever is i'm just interested in that things people create. And so there's a place we can go and it's all just hit the people created like i'm all in yeah and I look galleries.

We need more of that. Yes.

we need more that. We need more encouraging people to create things. You know it's it's a very valuable commodity that seem as frivolous until it's not it's seen as no big deal until it's worth hundreds of thousands of dollars is very strange world IT is.

But like I mean, when do you think about you is like what we're talking about earlier, how this system is so much bullshit, dry and fucked and empty, and there's just nothing to IT, but they have to slow you in and make you fuck and the line and you your life so fuck and boring and shit. But if you get into art, whatever art IT is, where is your music? At least you a solace of some kind that you can come home to.

So I what I aspire to do was to provide powerful stuff that people that like they're out there doing crazy shit all day, like you doing stuff that's affecting the world, like there they got a bunch of stuff on their mind all the time, but just for one minute they look at that painting and their like. Now I know why I remember why i'm doing all this is for the spirit, is for the the essence of life. It's to try to make life Better for all of us yeah you know that's what art is really supposed to do, is try to communicate to you that like you do matter, we all matter. We all matter together and we're not actually separate. Because if you can relate to this and I can relate to this, maybe we can forget about all the bullshit that they're trying to make us fight about yeah and just what can .

check out a show? Yeah, absolutely. We matter to each other. Yeah, that was really important.

Even if you think you don't matter in the great scheme of things, like when people get like real morose and they start thinking about life as being futile and there's no reason why go on and generally that people that are disconnected from other people, they don't have anybody like real closed that they can hang out whether they love. Yeah no. And people need that in life.

It's a you need, you need to try, you do or tribal people. You need a tribe like your family should be your tribe. Your friends should be your tribe.

You know you you need groups be. And that's that's a wonderful life. That's a joyful eem life. If you can have a life filled with people that you enjoy hanging out with, know if you can do IT right?

yeah. And those those people that think that they don't matter, that they are alone, you know, don't understate the like, the potential you have to actually affect people's lives.

sure. You can turn IT around to ah how you feel right now horrible and dark IT teams. That's not how you're gna feel always. You just have to trust in this process and you got got to do something IT was a funny little instagram clip that I put on my stories that this lady was talking about how he feels down.

And then someone ask her, uh, I, did you get enough sleep? Nope, have you been exercising? Nope, have you been eating well? Nope, have you gone outside? nope. Have you stayed off your phone? nope. okay.

Why should you feel good?

exactly. But that are, as I saying.

i'm broke. Did you go to work? You save your money, right? Do you have people .

in your life that you love? The other thing that you do that you love, if you don't have those things, you're gona have a rough time of IT. You know that's what we we're here for. We're here for uh, doing things that we love or that are satisfying and being with people that we love.

And if you don't have those things, you you're in a tough spot and you know the cold, hard truth is for a lot of people you have to be someone worthy of other people's appreciation to like, what have you done? Who are you what you know good? how? What's your character like? Would you like we talk to people? Are you nice? Are you fun? You good to be around?

Do you complain alone and you want the world to be Better, but you complain all the time. You're just a fucking and debby downer is what you are because guess what? No, who wants to be around you and you're going to be depressed now you you're making people feel like shit. You got to get out that whenever mindsets by al, you're in and come up with a Better way to interface with humanity .

and because it's is all about perspective, dude, you know, like you could just walk around Austin earlier today. I've never been here before.

I was taken a walk. This is your first trip.

yeah. Like I don't I go to like art towns for shows is all about business. When I travell, i'm just doing shows and going home and making more paintings, but just walk around a little bit down here was just like, god, this really is.

I can look around and just see how fuck and cool this places and how all these people built all this stuff and they're building in, everybody's doing something here and i'm part of IT and I get to just sit here and chill and like, take IT all and go, wow, fuck. I mean, this new city they're building, we've got cranes on the tops of all the buildings. The restaurants look all vital.

I'd love to see that. And I do. All these people have good perspective, not, well, I mean, like more, more all.

I don't know what to expect.

but I like impress us. Like this place seems prety cool. And I realized as my perspective, i'm looking for the good right. But somebody else might be in the same exact pot and they would only notice the weird homewood over there.

They hope that he doesn't come over here and ask me for some money or they are stress and out about their bills or whatever IT is. And i'm just thinking not have fuck perspective, look at how fuck and cool life is because IT IT really is doing. I think we've all got and self fucked up with by these little cell phone that kind of captured us that we kind of forget. Just go outside.

Yeah you know go outside and experience some things. It's just hard to do when you're stuck. If you're at home and you just like starting at your phone is hard to like put IT down and start moving, it's hard.

But you really have to it's trap. It's trying to get us to get sucked into the machine, kids, and it's common. And if you think it's difficult to resist now, just wait, just wait but .

just don't let your taller get all low like don't just keep fucking with IT like right now, go camping. Yeah, right now. Go learn to ride a horse about, you know, you get that. I got some crazy horse story.

I A C.

I went down to to be to check this out, do you? I'll tell you, I I went down on a photo shoot to the navaho reservation years ago, like probably about five or six, maybe seven years ago, and the approaches and the novels were doing a peace mony. And I was down there with like this native photographer and just couple of friends.

We're all hang out like nova house and and and we ran into this a novelle family there. Is this this due to just got back from the military and like his little brother and little sister and I just hanging out like, cause I just take pictures to get ideas for paintings and meet people and just go do stuff and go to reservation? I thought, that gives me the ideas.

And so I raised riding horses, and i've ride a horse and saw a little kid in montana. But I I learned how I knew. I wrote horses every day as a little kids, like ten years older, so we'd write them to town.

And so all these indians are out there right in horses. And I want a fitting. And I was like, jump up among these horses, and I jump up on one of the trail.

Horses has been out on the trail right all day and and these long as legs, everyone else is like shorter than me. So disturb aren't long enough for me. I jump up on there and i'm all kind of off baLance.

The horse gets weird IT out and just fucked and takes off at a full run across the desert, ran for like a mild and i'm shitten and I gets blocked me and it's like I thought about jump and off and everything, oh my god and luckily I had been turned judicio at the time. So I had like the strong judice group that you get right, and I grab the subtle horn and just hold on to not jump. And I want where this model, fuck her out. And he ran for .

about the mind of rains.

He didn't never hold, lost the rains. Oh my god. He was going to do. I wasn't ready for he just.

oh, god.

took off, but I didn't fall off and jump off and he finally got tired and I turned them around and walked him back to where we are all hanging out. Everyone's like, we thought we're going to repeal and you off the purry and my horse like this is head down and tops the ground. And so I mean, this fluker top I jumped off isn't interesting .

that you can break horses. They get wild horses and they can break up. Yes, they break up and get them to the point where they can write them. Very strange. It's a strange animal.

Like, yeah, I mean, dude, horses are amazing. And then I got to go down to a ranch and in new mexico and learned to ride a bunch a few years ago. And I I got good enough for, has run and controlled the horse.

It's kind like a version, a real version of avatar. When they have to hop on those dragons and they have to, like.

merge with them, they are exactly .

fuck right, because this is like more powerful than you. But for some weird reason, you can think.

gather and if IT likes you, yeah, IT will like stomp out rattle snakes for you and if IT doesn't like you, it'll go over to the rocks and yeah.

check you off pitch yeah, you have have a good relationship with that animal yeah and it's IT has to be a real relationship, but can be out of fear. And animals love .

you and you have to .

love IT is like dogs. Yes, exact exactly.

They call them sacred dogs. The locality did yeah .

a dog you ride. Yeah, but dogs and humans have very strange relationships, very strange. You know, this is some sort of a thinking of the minds that is not as simple as the dog recognizes that he gets food from you. This is weird love. You know.

the driver. See that show. That was about how humans and canines, like, evolved together.

yeah. I have ve seen .

IT yeah do I mean, I have two dogs like their part husky, part aida. There's like looked to they're like the primary breeds so they they look like wolves. They can act like that yeah, like those dogs are my best friends, you know yeah they put we go on the neighborhood, they pulled me on my skate board and I know that they know that i'm their friend, right? And it's like, I know if if like if i'm having a bad day or if just like stressed out or some and I do this or some will come right up to be like, what's wrong, bro?

I was in the gym today. They stretch now and the I was doing this crazy back stretch and it's kind of painful sometimes and next, you know, Marshall face is like, right there. Kiss in me.

Oh, g, it's all good. I'm just stretching. Did that .

judge?

You just want to make sure i'm okay? It's just funny, funny. Just sink up to they. Just something about whatever that relationship is, is so unique to dogs, so different than any other animal. Yeah, you were concerned about you like other animals, I don't think concerned about you like your cats. Not that concerned .

about you face off, if you die and if you like.

you break your leg, your cars are going to go. This guy is fucked and loud.

Let me go that fucking and snap really yeah out the .

other day we were working out in the gym um with all the comedians and marshes with us and I started kicking the bag and he starts barking he starts put up and down and barking because he thinks like some ships going down that bad fuck with you what's happening here know I was like, that's alaric like all the other stuff that we did with all cattle bell work hours. We push the sled that was all fine but once I started hit the back is what the fuck go on they .

can tell the difference. They can tell the differences between, like actual .

violences. They understand what violence weird that is. It's like, how does why is that different to him than me lifting a thing or me granting or pushing a slide?

Like that's totally why we kept them around because then we're like as soon as shit starts to go down, you jump in ah i'm going to get my knife yeah take care. You know they're .

going to protest you like that happens with people you if they get in some sort of us like brother and sisters getting fights together, the dog fuck tries to jump in IT happens all all the time. You know, two girls are other .

I I don't party, do how many times .

push and show the alligator. They don't understand that either, especially do it's a little too love with their plan. The dogs like .

the dog, you think so yeah .

oker in your house.

my house, i'm not drunk.

They don't get the rules. They don't get the rules of engagement. That thing in the avatar is so wild when they they sink up and they they linked their their tails to the the hair thing yeah like me tail.

Yes, it's really is kind .

of what happens with the worse.

Well, everything is kind of, you know, based on something, you know I mean, like fiction stuff. You get that idea from somewhere .

we having people said that avatar ars, like pokhara test space.

I thought they said as, like, dancers with wolves from space. And I think kiss me off well, because my mental, or a friend of I wrote dancers with wolves. So really, he was like one of my best influences that guided mean in my career.

Michael Blake, he's abroad. dude. IT wasn't about. They say all the White save your story.

He's coming to save the indians. That simple shi, like, did you watch the fucking and movie? Who saved to the White guy didn't save the indians.

They saved him there. He learned from the indians how to be a good person. There is nothing wrong with that. Falk in story.

I barely remember that movie. I remember that was really good, but I barely remember. Well, he will pull that microphone.

Sorry, sorry. Lives around. yeah. He told me that he came up with that idea, but he heard a story where a supply train, a wagon train, pulled up to a like, an abandon camp, a civil or not save like an army camp.

I heard that story and he thought, what would I do if I was that guy? Would I just go back to the base, to the army base, or what? I stay there and try to figure out what happened? He said he just came up with the whole thing based on putting himself there in his imagination, right, right? And he's just such a cool move.

Code like, remember, I was seen, you know, this is years ago, I said I want to be the next hour turbines, which is like the big western art she's like, no, dude, don't be the next anything, be the first grade over ten just be you yeah you know and here in that, like the that movie was a big influence on me because when I saw that and got a how a turpin book, that's what really got me back into western arts. Because as as a teenager, as doing all the punk art, I get IT album covers for all the bands from salt league and was turned, draw comic books and should like that. But as soon as I saw that movie and got the how turny book, that's what really brought me back to the native american stuff. And I was like, this is what i'm going to do, I think.

was so interesting about the native americans. One of the things is interesting, I should say, about the native american stuff is that we didn't really understand what was even happening until the twenty century. And now the twenty first century, we didn't really have an understanding about how their cultures worked in, how they interact with each other.

The way was depicted in mainstream media was always cowboy in indian movie. So was like this very crude kind of simplistic version of what they, we didn't really understand, you know much about native american culture until people started, right? These like empire, the summer moon, some these amazing books.

And when you get IT a real understanding of like like black out speaks, like those kind things we you actually hear from the people that live that life. Like, what was that like? Because our version of IT was always just stupid movies, john wine movies and shit, and then lines.

We took IT to another level, like, especially the out outlaw josey wales. K, yeah, yeah. When he meets with that commanche guy, ten bears a and and ten bears have this conversation. What's to go down?

Words are worthy .

will sam. So that's like.

yeah, that's one of the best movies .

ever do is a great fuck me, that's a great vie. That's a fun .

movie but that's that's like the real commanche texas ranger because he was a texas ranger type dude no, I mean, those are those are both just awesome icons of the west. We should respect both of those. Yeah because they neither one of them were like hero a villa purely I mean the commanche they were a fucked in empire.

They were. They were out for conquest air colonized in the fuck. They took all the horses and their like, fuckyou.

we're taking IT. Yeah, they they committed raids on other native american tries all the time. I mean, they were.

They were ruthless. I mean, we've talked to was they just the name sue? That wasn't their name then. That was the name for enemy. No, their name was the lotto people that so they called themselves, but everybody .

else called .

the enemy is for everybody up native american tribes? I mean, IT was really no different than the interactions that we have with other countries. Like sometimes you're connected to them and you your allies, and sometimes you're war, and sometimes is the same group of people that you use to be allies and now you're war or use be a war and allies stays in japan. Proc example, you know, mean that's probably one of the best examples in monter times and literally dropped in discriminate nuclear bombs on two of their cities and now we buy their cars.

I know maybe if you to one of your friends, you know, sorry, I knew you're working out, I was first years ago, did let you go. I just fuck.

let IT go.

stop.

fight and broke apart. They are like, do you didn't get our memo? We we're gona stop, fight. You guys just wants to try your fuck a bomb.

Just want to you want the flags and use, want to flex your fuck and nuke power, and you still want to go to vacation in flux in europe. Bge magazine in the first neck .

go off and realized that nothing going to be the same again when they drop that first new gana city. Just like, oh my god, what have you done? What have you done? And what president have you said? Really, truly amazing that we haven't done IT since then.

Yeah, that's what makes you believe in the aliens and multi dimensional beings. And shit, really, that IT isn't IT just mute sir.

destruction as well.

No no, i'm saying like when humanity got all the nuclear bombs and shit, that's when you start to see all the sightings and stuff. So that's why I kind of makes sense that maybe like ah what are you doing? We can't let you blow up your whole fuck and plant before you even evolve to your first level because for all we know, we're still White belt.

But leave, cut or ands have no idea that you have a car. They have no idea. They have no idea what a bit coin is. They have no idea you know what four g is. They don't know shit and .

there that leaves.

but they're rounded all the time. It's very possible to do some should like that in other dimensions that are equally bizarre that we just we are not connected to all the time and they might be here all the time. And if that's the case, then that makes sense that they would start showing up when we were in the middle of drop and nux on each other. There be like, hey, hey, hey, hey.

Be like when your parents are you just beat the shit out of each and though the room they come right but title is fuck up the dry wall now .

yeah you guys are crashing in the fucking in tvs and .

shit like that. You're just their dumb kids in the next .

room might want to nose because maybe they needed to let us know. Okay, there's some there's some mother folks here and there are way more advanced and settle the fuck down.

We're trying to bring along just you know .

the problem is with all that stuff is it's so hard to know what's true and what's bullshit just like the big foot, it's so hard. All the big for things. Way easier, right? But the the U F, O thing see this way.

More evidence is is so hard to know what bullshit this is so hard. It's so hard to know who's tell the truth and who's lion. It's so hard to know what involvement the government has in terms of like how many these things are drones. You you're hearing now that a lot of these are people that believe that these things are flying around. They think that what we're dealing with, this some sort of a government drone and that a lot of this uh, off world craft talk is really just misinformation so that they don't have to take accountability for having some crazy thing that china doesn't have or maybe china has that we don't have and then they want to live about IT. You don't try to develop what over the fuck they .

have yeah and when you find out what they really do and then it's like, okay, now this makes sense. Now that makes sense because you're having if I can do all this to develop .

that we you know the whole conspiracy about the invention of the transistor because the transistor came about right after roswell and um there's a company called bell labs. And bell labs was I believe there were the people that invented the transistor and there was a military base right outside of bell labs. And the also said that military base was to protect new ork city, but is pretty far from new york city.

Like if you wanted to protect new york city, put a base a lot closer. You didn't put IT so far away. We were taken like forty minutes to fly there. But bell labs is A A while place and that was one of the main um focal points of conspiracy theory when they were talking about back engineering stuff from crash to a fos was fiber optics and transistors and that they all came about very shortly after roswell. And people don't exactly know how they figured those out.

They provide those are probably like the most basic things that they were recovered. So they are the easier to figure out. So that's why we had them first and there's like is just like those fuck in play stations. They released a Better one every few years. Maybe they had play states of five and ninety five, but they're still given us place they are one because they want to sell all five what they .

can just give us a time machine ah, they have to give us a spaceship first, like first of all you to be .

fired out travel we want even space machine .

then will give you that takes time. You get to get to a higher level civilization. Have you heard of a dice sphere?

Do you know a dicers i've heard of?

Well, to a massive structure that some astronomers believe that could indicate highly advanced, uh, intelligent life somewhere in the universe. Theyve never been discovered, but they've been there, zed, that these there is an article that was reading yesterday about IT. If you see.

you can find this. So can I tell you where IT would be?

They think there are massive structures, are literally like a structure the size of a solar system.

And somebody made that, no fuck.

things are out there. Well, this is, this is just theorized, right, when they are talking about the highest potential level of technological ability .

that you can get to yeah.

I mean, imagine if you got to a place where you had a self contained solar system that's completely controlled by these intelligent beings, but that's immune .

to all of the hazards.

I and panos .

like a type to civilization .

when they can directly harness, harvest, rather, the energy of its star using a dicon feed or something similar.

So IT like a solar powered, basically. Well, I don't know .

what the fucker is. I mean, I think it's totally theoretical there. No, there's no real versions of them that are out there. But the idea is that technological proficiency and innovation continues at the level that IT is now for millions of years. What does IT get to?

But you know what is probably going to get weird in that because a shit you can imagine, like member, the eighties when you thought and have a walk, man, what are they going to have in a few years? I'll be although you I thought I was still going be a cassette pe. Like when you watch the fifth element or blade runner, they're still using fuck in telephones. They didn't even think of cell phones, right?

But that's our most obvious .

thing that we right now ah one thousand .

nine hundred sixty military of space exactly that so it's going to .

fuck in god of war yeah it's .

going to keep going. That's what I think artificial intelligence is. I think IT is I don't really think this is is just a thought. Maybe the universe is god and maybe the way god is created is through intelligent life. That intelligent life creates a far superior version of itself in artificial intelligence, and that creates a far Better version of itself infinitely.

They just keep making Better versions of itself as IT has more than understanding and more capacity, IT grows and IT makes Better versions of itself. It's eventually going to get to god like powers. The the power to create universe is to create power to create solar systems.

The power to stop time, reverse time, the powder traverse immense distances, instantaneous. It'll just have will have capabilities that we could only imagine. We could just we could just imagine if and I can do that. And if if we look at how weren't living right now in comparison to how people were living, when they are making those those cave paintings like, wow.

saints to find.

i'm gonna stop right here.

Yeah, but what's the things they can do? The three d printing, 3d printing， that fucking crazy. I mean.

no, that's what they think the spaceship are made out of now yeah, like when bob zr was first examining, if he saw the truth, when bobbles I was first examining the spaceship, I think that bloom, where was there was no themes. IT didn't make any sense. Like how could even make something like this? Well, now that we know there's three d printers and you could make something like that, yes, you could. I mean, I don't think you make IT .

that scale yet. But if you enough of capability, ines, right? Sixty million light years .

ahead of us, right? Like who's to say they're not who's to say they're not? sixty. Years ahead of us, six hundred thousand or six million.

I think about if you have a fuck in time machine, you could go back to check out some shit that are ready to happen, but you could also go forward. I mean, we just have no comprehension of what you could maybe you could like start a project in your lab, right, and then travel and you get all these fucking and AI robust to work on IT, and then you travel away for IT in time and go get IT and then bring you back. And then it's the fucking and ultimate thing of, you know, that's what I be doing if I had time and I be like, right, i'm going to get all these, what can helpers have, build these awesome monuments, and then i'm going to go in for IT in time and check on all right. Do you you know, like I would just give you if you get manipulate time and travel through time, like gets an element, like did you have .

you you wouldn't be able to experience IT because like you would always be involved in time being manipulated, so they'd be no static time. 一， even in this static times, something could intervene instantaneously. always.

What if don't really understand the nature of time to make those definitions? What if you could, if you could get this time machine? What if you could kind of, like step out of time in a lot of different ways that you don't think you know i'm .

saying right, like you could go into a timeline and you don't not even necessarily affect that timely if you .

know how to just observe IT right, and not like physically disturbed.

but you do is affected if you go forward in the future. The idea of a time machine, the current idea of a time machine is that you can't travel where there are no roads. So once a time machine is invented, then everything from that time, that time machine is invented forward, becomes a completely different way of using time.

Because time now is nonlinear here. Time now, anyone feel so, everything happens all at once. So people from the future will be traveling back to the moment with the first time machines is invented.

So everything will change instantly because if you're going to do, you're going to vent a time machine and you live a million years in the future, assuming that humans even exist. If a time machine gets invented, I mean, we might become absolute almost instantly eusden. But if you were alive, human being a million years after the time machines invented, you would want to go back to the moment the thing was made, you want. And so the moment they turn, their mother fucked on, everything changes forever.

Yeah, singularity.

yeah. That might be the real singular, but that was one of the mechanistic theories terms of cannot believe that we are going to come up with the time machine. He thought that was gonna en around december twenty first two thousand twelve.

Well, have you checked out his time?

We have zero. Yeah ah yes.

And you know how they came up with all those dowst prisoners. How did the fuck in each ching do they go to make deep meditations? They would take washrooms too. And they found out that the time can be mapped and like predicted, that where the flock and itching comes from, people in the sixties got all into the teaching.

The aching is like a game, right?

No, it's it's a book it's made up of. I'm not like an expert.

but isn't there a game is involved with the aching that mechano sort .

of patented time zero on?

I I don't know.

he made a game of IT.

but teaching a game.

it's like a fortune telling, right?

That's it's like, it's like a form of divination, right? Yeah, it's like a fortune telling thing. That's what IT is.

Is not a game. yeah. I was trying to remember how I haven't heard this stuff in a long time. Try to remember how he described IT.

But most people that have looked at time waves year old tickets, kind of nonsense, including guys like paul, dammit. They like like he product trip and real hard. We came up with that.

Do I think it's above their head? IT might be. I think that also was a this thing to um subscribe to. So a lot of people reluctant to like open yourself up to ridiculous.

So is everything. Everything is ridiculous also like religions and everything that everybody fucking in is into everything dict ous. Nothing is Daisy and time we have zero is any more ridiculous than anything else that people are fucking terro.

Cards, I think, is really interesting chaos. I really get into ancient chinese culture, like us come for at a Young age. So i've studied a lot of chinese philosophy, dawson m, all that stuff.

Those people are highly intelligent, spiritum people who are doing deep meditations and discovering really profound truth. You know, I think that we are at a level where we're so intellectual. There were almost too intellectual.

So I almost like, we can only, we can only think about things in this scale, like people see in a certain frequency. They can only see certain lights. But like dogs can hear sounds. We can hear oh, so is just like that is like our fucking intellect is like this, and we can figure out.

But because we exist within the context of our culture.

because we fall in love with this, right? But there's also this and your your spirit that that's what figured out the doubt, a chain, that's what figured out, you know how to tame horses and be one with them. And domesticate primary IT wasn't just us thinking cerebrally that's that's kind of limited IT.

I think our real being is deeper than that. You know mean, I think you can learn and know things because I don't think about my ideas for art. I don't try to come up with them intellection. I just militate I wait for you to find me and that's not an intellectual practice, right, you know but .

obviously yells results, right? So it's the right way to do yeah meanwhile, people wouldn't think about that. They would think, oh, like, what's the state? How do you do this? You you add these boards, and that's how you make a house. They want these switches.

and that's how you make a computer. That's why, like Bruce lee innovated marsh arts because he said, like this kind of break down all these systems.

Let's not add here to these, right? He called that organized despair and all the the kai forms and just doing your sparing and not really doing live training is a thresh hold that you don't want to cross is so you're stuck in this like let's go through all these boring, stupid rituals to try to prop up our bullshit society when it's like now I think we've taken intellect as far as it's gone to go. I think if if we're going to get to the next level, we have to go deeper this way.

And you know what, I think you should be both right? And I think the problem is that with money and with capitalism in our society and with our rewards system is based on IT rewards, people going towards the things that we're gonna get you results that you could show other people, you know, how's in cars and stuff like that, like a quick result.

Well, like a physical.

tangible thing that measured in, cherished by society, as opposed a spiritual growth. Yeah, you know, we all take a spiritual growth is being, it's almost like frivolous pursuit of a silly people working on my spiritual growth SHE fucked and lazy bitch like what do .

you do and what you actually do something around .

fucking and cook yeah 对 对， you know, self love. Okay, settle down.

Maybe you love yourself too .

much yeah when you think about yourself too much, there's so many other things to think about, you know and it's just we have a very complex society that has a gravity to IT and sucks you in and makes you a part of IT.

And you don't have a whole lot say you get locked in and you get locked in when when you're really Young, get indoors dated in the education system and then you get outside of IT and you have to make a living and take care yourself and pay your bills. You get locked in a while space. You while space is happened right above you. And every now then you forced to see IT like, I don't know if you guys got the northern lights from the solar storms. You do not like, I mean.

I see if my daughter is a set of my pictures of IT. Yeah.

my body lives in my time and he was sent me photos. What's going? And jammy your body in ohio, right?

Well, my friends are all thought so.

yes. Yeah, a wild.

It's crazy that just just happened all over the place.

Well, we knew about IT. We knew they were common because there's two different types of radiation that comes from those storms. When they have this this big coronal mass suggestions, one of them reaches us in seconds.

I think that that's waves. Is that what that is? The reaches us in seconds. And then um the second one takes days to get us next, the one that can take out yell phone hours and fuck up communications and shut down the grid if IT gets big enough or we're really doomed. Yeah we have a very, very vulnerable system and we're essentially living in a house with a glass ceiling hoping that IT doesn't have.

Let me help me sleep good at night.

right? If you parking car outside, you know, if most of time your cars fine, most of time IT doesn't hail, but if IT hails your .

car on my car.

your cars going to get fucked up. I'm sure you're seen like damage that hales caused yeah to people's cars yeah that man. And that is an unpredictable thing that happens way more often than these massive so rejections.

But if they get big enough, they get big enough or fucked if they get big enough, we are back in the cave. Man day's kids, I mean, we are still up books and will be read them by candlelight. But all refrigerators gone. You going to have biodiverse errors.

You can have to stay making about general.

You're going to need beef, turkey. You're going to need water, pure fiction tablets, going to need someone who can figure out how to make those water for purity ation tablets without electricity.

someone to test the water on before bro, you, they could get real square ly.

What is when they have a coronal mass ejection? What is? There's two different types.

I know i'm very i'm lost in this in the science of IT is that first is that always have travelled the same, which I was like our cats. And what we're looking for, I right here is they all travel. The speed of light.

the waves do visible or gamma, right? So they those reaches in a few seconds.

but then i'm they end up traveling up to all million miles a second that like i'm trying to find out which waves are the ones were talking about them.

So how many million miles away is faster?

Light million miles in my I was about to do that calculation, and I think that is. But I not really exactly. It's speed of light is like it's something meters per this. We figure out time travel, these mother first, and like two hundred and seventy eight thousand meters per second or something, I guess that could be close to make a miles per second.

Also, I don't know either way. That mother fucker is not stable. Do that? Sun means fairly stable, but every now and then it'll blow a basket and you get just crazy waves.

head IT towards us. So I having a really crazy friend.

just might be, I get P, T, S.

D on L, S, D. No, he's could .

do I, um what was the worst, uh, version of IT? Wasn't there something that happened that took out like more code towers and eighteen hundreds? I think there was one big historical mass ejection that was documented within the last couple hundred years that they say, if that happened today, we would be really fucked that the same thing if that happened today.

caring to event is the tense geo. Magnetic storm recorded history .

when was on september .

second nineteen fifty nine?

And so the character event, most intense geomagnetic storm recorded history, peaking from one to two september eighteen fifty nine. During solar cycle ten created strong or rural displays that were reported globally and caused Sparking and even fires in multiple telegraph stations. Yeah, so like what the fuck would that do today?

So I just blows up everything that as electricity and IT.

yeah, just cooks .

everything do. What if everybody's car blew up? Everybody is fucking in house.

Just, oh yeah, I probably would probably cook your fucking computer in your car. september. Hers, as character was ketching on sunspots.

He was blinded by a sudden flash of light. Character described IT as a White light flair. According to a NASA space flight. The whole event lasted about five minutes.

The flair was a major coronal massage CT, a burst of magnified plasma from the sun's upper atmosphere, the corona, at in seventeen point six hours, the coronal mass ejection trover shed over ninety million miles between the sun. Okay, that's the distance. She's the sun, the earth, hundred and fifty million kilometers, and unleash its force, its force on our planet.

According to NASA space fly IT usually takes C, M, S, multiple days to reach earth the day after kerton. Observe the impressive flair earth experiencing unprecedented geo magnetic storm with telegraph systems going haywire in a rural displays Normally confined the polar latitudes visible in the tropics. According to nas science, carreon put two and two together and realized that the solar flair he had seen was almost certainly the cause of this massive geo magnetic disturbance.

Uh, this was a connection that had never previously been made. According to ask, the spacefield sore storm of eighteen is now known as the character event in his honor. wow.

So that happened today. What google? What would happen if the current event happen today? What's to find out of .

one just blows up. Oh, probably.

you probably cooks everything, but that's what's really scary that all of our cars are control by computers unless you have an old car that as a corporation or you're fuck if less you have an old as you know that one hundred and eighty eight toyota truck you're you're in you're in a bad spot um right there. What would happen with a parenting event today? People ask first one icon.

Um as such, hutton suggested that a solar flare on the level occuring to event might not pose as big a threat to human kind of some fear. Still, a currently event pointed at earth today would have substantial impacts, mainly on human activities in space, also wouldn't kill our grid. I think they just talking.

I don't people.

because if this never .

happen, how do you know what would happen?

Also that one, that the current event, we don't really totally know how big IT was, right?

Because they don't have the instruments to measure IT back then.

And what if there's one that's double that if that can happen, something that can happen. I mean, it's not we've only been around a short amount of time. The fucking and suns been around for billions of years. Like how long is ever, ever now then that shows off a big water just and blast has got some .

plasma destroys all our technology up.

You know, when they first started observing game birth in the universe, they thought that there was a war going on in was, well, yeah when they first start detecting these gamma bursts, they found that they were happening like every couple seconds, all over space.

And they science.

no, no, they realize, what did you know what I was like? What are these bursts? And they realize there is something called hyper nova. So if a hyper nova, like of our sun, goes hyper nova, that's a rap, that's a rap for every.

yes, I would detecting all over the place yeah so sons are always fun and .

blown up yeah what there's so many of them. Eventually they reach the end of their lifecycle. And if they hyper nova, if they're big enough, they have enough mass and they hyper nova, that's that's a rap for the whole source system you like. I think it's a rap for other solar systems that are close by too. And it's a rap for like pretty much everything .

but maybe like you get to that point where yes.

this Jimmy cat captures a supernova. Hyper nova is actually even bigger than a supernova. So this is a nash. The hubble telescope captured a supernova.

But there was a um thing was the science channel had this um documentary and hyper nova, whether people were talking about how when they first started measure, they're like, oh shit. Like because this is like post world war two, we understand atomic bombs. Like what are these guys have? Like these guys are blowing up whole planets out there like a fuck. Imagine thinking that the universe is teaming with life and that life is so violent that is blowing up planets. Total star war shit.

You'd have a fear without scientists. You just have to be like, holy fuck. What do tell people? And you wouldn't do pride, wouldn't want to tell him that, but you'd have to tell, like the generals, I would think there might be fuck and star war as going.

I'm sure they had meetings. I'm sure they had made the first detected these things. I'm sure they go to the guys OK mr. Ian hour, we've got some problem.

So we gonna we might not be shit after all.

Yeah, well, we're something to us. But in the greater scheme of at all, I mean, the universe doesn't seem to care if IT cooks entire source systems every couple seconds.

I mean, the universe has to know more than we do so we're over her thinking we're all bad as how do we know it's not Better? If he gets apt and then you fuck you .

in a different dimension, that's probably what IT happens.

Yeah, what are hyper nervous? I was found on this about .

the largest super .

nobody ever S N fifteen and seventy two which I guess that's the year so I was said that as visible for twenty three days, oh my god, three hundred and sixty two .

nights so .

then like i'm watched in the video, this is non scientific IT looked looked like you, a star planet that wasn't actually there. If they were observing IT for so long, I would have ended up in a book, was super .

back.

Like, how much do they know about that?

How big did they say they saw? Did they talk about IT?

Well, i'm trying to just go off without listening to the just go on off pictures and words and stuff um not quite .

sure though you imagine living back then you see some fucked and flair and got yeah they were looking that bullshit .

telescope he puts his eye up to him and just fries as fuck and hie out.

All right. Magine .

super.

did you watch the eclipse?

The last one? Yeah.

you didn't see. IT, no. Oh my god. Was wild. Man was weird.

I saw the one before that I was down in sani. I I saw was outside, but I can. What doing like this is how I had a touch. I am. Well.

this was such a big one that everybody was preparing, roca and some sunglasses. So I went out my backyard, washed IT. IT was pretty dope. Man, it's weird. Hear all the birds stopped japan like everything stopped, all the sounds stopped yeah and then you just have this bizarre moment for a couple minutes where it's .

dark out yeah it's all weird and empty.

And then the the eclipse looked amazing. It's so weird that the sun and the moon are the perfect size that they line up that way that gets people like weird IT out they go. How is what are the odds? Is there any other planet in our solar system? The experience is that.

yeah.

what are the odds that the one planet that has intelligent life that is blocked out perfectly by our moon?

And what is that? What does that do like? I don't know, man, like IT, maybe a superstition es or something, but I think those cosmic cycles .

is a reminder. Yes, I think it's certainly a reminder of just the vastness and bizarre of space itself when you you realize like oh, there's a giant nuclear explosion in the sky that keeps the lights on.

Yeah there is other is blocked ah the other fun block I just blocked IT out is perfectly and sized and .

shaped in that rock is also perfectly size to give us a stable, stable gravity that we're not wowing enough so that we don't vary too much in our temperature.

IT keeps a stable .

because it's pretty big that .

was pretty fuck your any clipsed from one of the moons of mars looks like so small that doesn't fit perfect.

Yeah, doesn't fit perfect at all. IT just goes .

across IT so that's the shadow that IT casts. weird.

I wonder if this are there any other ah planets in the sore system that would experience and eclipse that similar to ours?

I was trying to just look at that like I was thinking saturns got multiple moons there.

anyway. You kind of would have to be up, right? I would have to be a moon, like one of them would have to line up. And they have to be the same size as the sun in terms of like how IT fits in the sky, the distance. So so that is the perfect size and block IT out because it's it's so perfect like you all you see is like as IT passes over, you see the outside light, he says black circle in the outside.

We're ring. It's perfect.

It's perfectly established to give us in eclipse is weird.

really think about IT like IT is.

But the whole things weird. It's probably one of the leash wear things about space.

I like I had an astronomy class in high school and that class we just trip me out hearing about how infinite and like the White dwarves and the pull cars and all the shit that's out there that they can see so far out there as wild. And then I got really sad when I said, space is fake. Our expert, I ety like people .

because .

you beat holier and listen to you.

There's there's some real interesting stuff that's going on now where they're finding galaxies that are so far away or so far formed. They're so well formed, but they don't think that they should exist, given the the timeline of the universe, the very confused as to how these things exist, where they exist, that they shouldn't have been formed in this way.

Those are things.

What I think what IT is, is it's probably the the universe, probably other than we think IT is, I think they're just with the web telescope. They are just starting to be able to detect these structures in deep space that they're so far when they are so old, they shouldn't be able to exist. If the big bang happened, thirteen point seven.

eight years found a way to stabilize themselves like a, because you ve got to think, like, if you're the right place, the right time, your technology, your technology advances high enough before you destroy yourself. Maybe you don't have a planet where we likes to kill each other and you have world wars over refute one hundred years and you don't know whatever, and you build your technology in a good way. Maybe you could stabilize that. So far, big bang happens and you ve got some time. Leave zero shit that you know that's .

the least likely, the most likely to make. We have a bad understanding of whole spaces. Galaxies that shouldn't exist keep being discovered by the James web space telescope.

A bright red back appears against the backdrop of a space photo. But a stronger say that IT shouldn't be there. But there IT is publish today in the national journal um nature.

An international research team LED by a car glazing brook from swine burn university of technology in melbourne says that the light reaching earth from this galaxy named A J W S T seven, three to nine is eleven point five billion years old and comes from an ancient assembly of stars likely formed thirteen billion years ago. IT doesn't make sense because it's been thought until now there wasn't a dark matter in the early universe to prompt this formation. Current understandings of what grows a galaxy s suggest that dark matter hallows, which are filled where fields of invisible material space coast and collect stars and galaxies within their structure.

It's only because of the um James web space telescope that the team has been able to clarify what the reds back was in seven years of long observations using ground based cac, the hawaii observer, tory in the V L T and chill a all they could see was a faint red smudge NASA jim's web telescope. It's been such an incredible thing, but waiting for the last thirty years been delivering all those dreams. We've fred glazing brook tells this is something we working on over the years, deeper and deeper surveys, looking for the old, this most massive galaxies that formed.

We did the calculations of how old IT is and its way beyond the bounds of what's reasonable to form in the cold, dark, matter dominated universe. It's really a huge puzzle. So I think they have crude instruments, relatively crude instruments, for seeing that far back.

And they keep getting Better. And the James s. Web is Better than the hubble. And the the the more they can see, the more IT reveals puzzles. Just not exactly sure what the fuck is going on out there big.

And when they find how do you like that make you wonder like what the fuck was the answer? Well.

they also don't even know if the big bang is actually the begin of the universe that there's a lot of people, including serger pen rose, think the big bang are that the universe existed, the big bang, and that there's also people who believe that there might be this constant cycle of big bang expansion. And then ultimately, compressor and the big bang again.

I mean, that really well, but that makes sense because it's like, how do you just how is there nothing right? How is there just nothing? And then the sun.

a big bang.

be more likely like everything expends that.

but isn't a weird thing to think. How is there something if there wasn't if there wasn't nothing, why is there something ah? Why is there always been something that seems even less likely? Like what's the fuck .

is that right? I mean, we got to like assume if there's something now probably all always stuff with something.

but how could they always be something? What did you? How did IT start?

That's the right? Yeah, that's the question. Like if you ever got to meet god, you'd be like, what predated you, right? What created you, right? You in your my blows, I have you .

like ChatGPT .

and then you be like, I am a fucking car board.

I think I think we're going to find out some very interesting stuff the next five years yeah, I think in the next five years, things going to get real fuckers squiring. yeah.

But you know you you kind of just there's no other choice until look forward to IT.

Well, I mean, no one's going to hit the breaks yeah we're going to write this out yeah and enjoy IT.

So you just go think well, as we live in interesting times, we definitely .

live in interesting times. Yeah I think the most interesting times because you know, there was an interview recently when someone was talking about this, was saying that this is what the first time in history that no one has any idea what it's going to look like in twenty years.

We're probably even five.

probably even five.

Yeah, because the way everything's expanding exponentially yeah kind of legal to believe is going to continue to do that. And in what are those unpredictable change is gonna right? You know, my foggin life is completely different.

That was five years ago. Pro, predictable shit happened to me. And but don't know, well, the whole .

world's different than IT was four years ago, right? Code becomes along, everything changes and the whole worlds different now. So like, yeah, what does that look like?

What does that look like five, twenty years ago? It's gna be weird and tell you that there's no way it's not going to be weird. It's weird already, you know.

Yeah IT is but it's almost like to live your life for a worrying about IT or are you just say i'm alive? Just fact and check IT out this is going be while d dude, we don't know because when those solar flares could take everything and then we don't even have a shower to watch, true at least is something to do. Well.

definitely something do. And you definitely can't stop IT. So you definitely should just live your life and enjoy IT.

But IT doesn't make you any less fascinating. No, IT is absolutely fascinating. Yeah, this is the timeline that we're in for whatever reason. That's what gets real weird.

Like why are we in this timeline? Have everyone listening to this right now? Everyone wives this right now.

Why are you in this timing? Why is this the time that you exist? Have you existed before? Is this your first time in this timely you know everybody wants assume IT is like someone said to me once um that they wouldn't like is a theory i'm sure you're aware of this theory that you live the same life over and over and over again.

You get IT right, you know, to eat that enlightenment is possible. But you you have to you you got to go at IT over and over and over and over and over gania. And I was talking with a friend of my like, like, I won't want to do that.

Okay, if you wouldn't want to do that. Do you like life now? Because I love life now. I'm about a great time. So someone said to me that i'll have to do this all over again.

Why would that be so bad? Why am I scared to that? But everybody scared that, everybody scared to start from scratch again, being a baby again.

But remember when you were a light fuck and awesome. Not really well. No, I but i'm not talking about just getting smashed and choked.

I'm talking about looking forward to learning. sure. And maybe this is a blue bill, but it's like I ash bo.

I like .

looking forward to the the big journey. no. I mean, like when I first started doing confu, when I was like nineteen or twenty, I didn't know and we didn't have to get choked to was just fun, you know and I was like, I don't know anything about this, but I have so much to learn.

This can be so cool. And then after years and years, i'm kind of gated. I don't so fuck at alone. I don't think guy really, really appreciated any more.

I know you say, yeah there's there's a thing that you can get jaded by a thing yeah and new things are all are very exciting. That's why it's really important for people are just for you the health of your mind to try new things yeah or to try things where you're not that good at, try to keep getting Better because it's like this thing that you have to do to practice and learn in rich is the way you think about everything yeah.

IT is so valuable to be able to do that and to be able to to realize you're doing that and you're capable of learning new things ah and that really .

is what makes you live is dude.

And that is why people get stagnant because it's like when you were a kid, you are always trying to learn something new you weren't like of i'm jed. I just mean I don't know what i'm going to do. You were trying to learn and to and so if you continue to do that, learn and play and and just accept and have fun, you don't have to get old, you don't have to get stale, you don't have to get bored. You can fuck and enjoy this life.

You can yeah yeah. You certainly can. If you find things, they're exciting.

That's the sad thing, I think is someone who doesn't have a thing, someone who doesn't have a thing that excited them. Someone doesn't doesn't engage with something that stimulates them. I think you needed as a human organism.

The human organism needs little puzzles and stuff to do. Makes IT exciting for IT. If you don't do that like you're going to feel shitty.

Yeah you do. You get bored. I mean, got the best, most happy times in your life are when you have all these exciting projects, you don't know if it's even going to work, but like holy, you want to try I am going to get excited about this and fuck and go after IT.

Let me ask you this about your work because I I always wanted to ask this question, when you're painting crazy horse, is there any part of you that doesn't want to do that? Because like crazy horse did not want to be photographed. So you have to paint what you imagine crazy or be. It's kind of crazy that do got so you know no one attended, got so famous and and managed to avoid having this picture taken.

I think you knew there a mug shot. So I think when I when I look back and all those the the photographs, I think they were fucking he wasn't he was a smart dude. He didn't want his picture out there so he could be identified because they're trying .

to to kill lum.

And I think, like, you know, i'd definitely do a lot of spiritual work, do spirits and work well yeah, but not like spiritum introspection. And you know, like I have friends from the ogla, a tribe who are like related to him that I talk to and learn stories from the logo to the ogle themselves. So I tried to have a deep insight for IT, do a research what he really would look like.

And also just think, is this, is this the right thing to do? Do I have permission to do this? And if that kind of comes through in the locutus themselves, they don't get a hold on me in our problem and I talk to them about IT, then it's okay. But it's it's like it's not from an actual photographs, just mind yeah well, not even that I tried IT like I think about black elk's description of women. Just try to put together the facial .

features of my mind. How did they deal with that sculpture? The giant sculpture of crazy hours the one hasn't finished at?

I don't know, but I don't really. I like the idea of what they are doing, but I IT doesn't looked that much to me like how I imagine looking.

It's weird. You know, how do how do you do a giant slpa of a guy and say, this guy, yeah, you don't even know what that I look like. You.

I I think they're doing that to kind of just pay tribute to him.

just like a weird thing to do so .

yeah you because I from I don't think I don't know.

I don't want talk just like one family that's doing this.

right? Yeah and I I talk about what .

what is that image of grow up or about right, right there. Click that. What is that? That's a Brown stator something. That's what be crazy. Ours.

random pictures.

random stuff. Yeah, but he didn't he like cut pieces off of his body, like before he went to war, cut like a hundred pieces off of his .

skin at sitting wall.

Sitting people didn't crazy hours do that as well.

No crazy hours didn't participate in a lot of like the sun dance where .

you no I an cut like pieces of his skin off like mark s skin.

No he that was sitting.

Go see if there's a story about crazy horse before we go to bed cutting pieces of a skin off because I thought, I thought they said that crazy her to did IT as well, that he had like, like cut little pieces of himself off the zarps, that a little scars all over his arms.

I hadn't heard that, but I heard sitting bull l before the battle of little born, before the battle, little big orne sitting bull cut like a hundred pieces office shoulder in his back.

maybe.

and all to get vision of what the battle was gonna like. And then he stared into the sun, and he saw all these soldiers falling into the camp. And so that's where, because sitting goal was kind of like the the general, he was little older at the time of the battle.

He had a bad won on his leg. But he was a visionary, really respected medicine man, leader. And crazy horse was the actual fighter. So he'd go and kind of lead the troops and do the actual fighting.

Did you find anything about crazy or cutting pieces off? Maybe i'm fucking IT up, but the the thing that gets me is that they had these methods. I mean, these are people that are living in a time where you had to be pragmatic.

You couldn't you couldn't pretend that you could see things yeah, if you did a certain thing, just you are trying to achieve a vision. So they've probably done IT before, and they had methods to do IT. And a lot of their methods involve pain, like the thing where they appears their nipples .

and suspend them.

Yes, on dance, crazy shit man. They did these things in a time where, you know, you are living a subsistence lifestyle, you know, have a lot of time for fucking around for nonsense. And yet they found value in, like, self torture.

You, well, I mean.

what do you? Any paintings on the sun dance?

No, as I was working on a painting of a sun dancer that has the White sage, they would put White sage around their head like this, like a hello, and they know we are eagle bone whistle here. yes. And I paint themselves away with the spots there.

And you suspended, yeah, hanging by your nipples.

And you have to not eat for four days, not drink water. And everybody around the village, like, gets the T U, and throw little speer twigs at your legs and shit. And just like it's four days, it's an enduring ritual and .

eventually IT rip at your chest.

Yeah, once IT rips out. And like good friends of mine from self to kota, they still have those .

those scars like this yeah .

jy male called .

horse that was gentle's name. He he goes through that ritual yeah there's always that story though about that's why people get angry. There is a story about the White guy who goes and kicks as india ah because .

I G doesn't give the indians enough credit, right in a way that one you can see has a little bit of the White save your thing to IT sure. But it's it's not like they're not giving you something there. That's what I think is the the native culture has taught me so much.

That's why I paint IT. That's why I got into that as a kid, because I was an alternative to mind prison of the system of the schools. I could see in the the people's eyes that they were free, that they were real, that they are powerful individuals. And I want to follow that.

I don't want to listen them like my second grade teacher, who is, you know nothing than I ever want to be like, right? So those books, and I still have those books, you know, that's what inspired me to do this, and that's what keeps me going and sharing IT with the world. Because I want to say this is a valuable, amazing culture that that we blindly destroyed and committed a genocide on their millions of people over here.

And the Whites came over, and we're just so fuck and dumb that they just they waste A A lot of good knowledge. But there are still pieces of IT alive. And maybe we could do that. We can to pay that back. Learn from IT.

My fear is that if IT wasn't for the ability use media in the twenty eighth and twenty for a century, we might have lost the true story forever. Yeah, you know you have a imagine if we did, you know because the world wasn't much different in terms of our technological capabilities from like fifteen hundred and seven hundred, right, but from eighteen hundred to the year two thousand is a giant fucking and difference.

And that's when people started going, hey, what what? What can happen? We should your write books, like real book, which really research member, the first time, red empire summer moon, which is about this place right here, what we're that I was like cheese.

Like, how could we? How did I not know this? Yeah, how did? How does this not taught in school? Like what happened? It's a fascinating story.

I know. And you do really, really have to wonder that, yes, why is that left out when it's one of our best stories like us talking to some of these guys out here earlier about, you know, why is quana story just not as popular as like caster and crazy hours and right, ana Parker? yeah.

And I think it's it's because it's more complex. It's not as easy as like the one guy from the one culture, the one battle caster crazy horse fight right done. It's more of like it's all over. There's jack hayes, there's the l quana park a, there's the formation of the texas rangers as a technology of the court.

And there's another example, Parker, another example of someone who is kidnapped to the Young age, became a command and then they rescued, just like.

I want to be rescued yeah, I want turn up yeah yeah it's .

a what a time man and and .

so sad how SHE like how he died thinking that quana was dead and he wasn't yeah and just how much like, want to honor her memory, how much you loved his mom. I got a good dude. He was like, just such a bad as warrior. And then he's also a diplomat, took care everyone and build that star house, know also .

kind of crazy that he killed off a White people and and still manage to people and .

everybody was there .

and everybody that's what was really wild is like the just human life back then was worth so much less yeah, people were so much more savage .

to the the story of just texas and the fucking commanche is is so wild and it's so unappreciated. And like I really think that with with our country, in our culture, we really do have a cool history that was that so unique or you know I mean, nothing like that really ever happened.

And like to your point, we had a way to keep records of IT, but there's still there's all these rad stories about native history like there's a stood uh William weather be if you can look up the story of William weather be the creek warrior, red eagle. He he had this big rebellion of the creek indians. And the the government hired Andrew Jackson, who was later president.

I think to go fight him is this big civil war general. And these creeks would build these big fortifications and try to fight off the the army, and they blow IT apart with cannons and just slaughter like, you know, hundreds of creeks thought this big, protracted war with him like an alama no even knows about the fuck creek war or who willing mother be is. But when you hear the story do he's like, willibald is of america.

You won't believe this mother fucker. Okay, his whole village is getting wiped out in there. He's a leader there.

Where's William isn't, say, walls? Where is William? Weather be weather for d is IT whether first I couldn't find out whether be back at a weather weather arrival. Yeah okay, where? So anyway, he's this greek warrior and he's like the leader and he's he's getting track down and there are trying to find him and there they're like, basically it's kind of like the brave heart how they're like.

you have an american, me.

I mean, back then, if they were interacting a lot with the english IT wasn't uncommon for a native to have a White name. I think he was half White, half indian, two. But he was such a bad aside.

So there they're basically like saying, if you know if red eagle as as indian name doesn't come in, we're going to just really devastate these people. We're to know all your people are going to be having a bad time. So they were like basically going to hurt his tribe if he doesn't surrender, okay? And so he's riding in to surrender.

And he sees a deer who can shoots IT, picks IT up, gets IT, throws that over a sadder and keeps rigging to go surrender, right? And he gets there to Andrew Jackson, and he's like, if I had an army, I would fight you to the day, but you've killed all my warriors, and I only have women and children, and i'm not going to let them suffer so you can chase me. So here I am that can kill me if you want to do whatever.

what they do.

Andrew Jackson actually said, this student so brave, let's have a drink. They went in the ten, drink some whisky. And as they're in the tent, everybody's chanting.

All the soldiers are chanting, see, there is, kill him, kill him. Kill him. That's the soldiers, big chance all around from the army.

Kill them, kill him. Killem Jackson walks out. Everyone's quiet. Please let me tell you, red eagle is the bravest small fucker of all you all. And if anybody touches her, her on its head, you can answer to me. Fuck a thread, al, and to go manage .

to fly the wall during that meeting so that I got come in and sit down yeah.

but just the bravest if you read the story and he gives this incredible speech, like I didn't really do IT justice, but he's just very eleven, you know, says this should like, do what you want with me. Don't fuck with my people.

I know the history of americans is so many people don't know what happened. So many people who don't know that native americans went to paris. I met with whoever the hell was in charge back then. Yeah.

crazy, said the actual, like truth is stranger than fiction, you know, because we we like that people, right? And fuck in movies are going to go. I don't want to try that. I fuck going to hard calabi indian, right? Put in the can where they say, I wonder .

someone's gone to do like a real realistic movie about the community.

Isn't angers do the yellow stones? Do you doing the in part of a summer moon?

That's right. Is he doing that? Is that official? That's going to be what he'll do IT right, tailor shared and knows what the fucking he's doing. He'll do IT right.

Anybody should be interested without you see, eighteen, eighty three. yeah. Amazing, amazing. And so good.

And how that, like the leos are, they put the the faces on the animals to poisoning you don't .

tail shared in lands empire the summer moon will write in direct epic commenced leader quana in the rise and foo old west fee's tribe, january eighteen, twenty twenty four well, yeah, he's gna nail IT.

What's that? He is going? I hope that the western come back as a genre because I really think we should take pride in our history more.

You know. I mean, I think I would bound us more as just like we're americans are are like ancestors, they fuck and win across the sea. They went across the the continent.

They flock with the continent like they were brave. They are crazy that to our ancestors are, they should be honor due. We should be thinking about them. We're americans. We're bad as we won the fuck in world .

war two.

Americans.

like the history, is a fascinating history. It's certainly a fascinating history. And this is riddled with horr stores, harsh stories and amazing accomplishments and brave people and all of the mixing together.

Yeah, crazy stuff. yeah. Listen, brother, no one captures IT Better. No one captures the native american imagery. And this of the feeling of a Better your stuff. So awesome man, and been to get in to become friends with you.

Yeah, same here. Do I can't thank you enough being here. Such an honor. You helping me get my art out there to the world. Can't think ough.

Oh, i'm more than happy, more than happy that people get to see you should. It's awesome.

I keep trying to put good stuff out there.

You will, i'm sure. No, I have one hundred percent eighteen. Everything you do.

Is that appreciate a lot? What's up, Jimmy? I thought you said i'm listen, man, thanks for common. Appreciate you tell everybody how can see your stuff finds online or.

uh, you can just look me up online. Greg, over ten final, uh, instagram. Greg, go to find out i'll be in sanaa during indian market mid August and I i'll be at the fucking in Jackson hole art auction. There is one man show Jackson hole our dog in september and that's the .

flock on top of the top. So appreciate you very much. Man, thanks. problem. yeah. Five ready?