Vivek Ramaswamy: Trump’s Sweeping Victory, & What It Means for the Future of Government Bureaucracy
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happened because IT was a rejection of what the modern left has put an offer, which in some ways was a great favor to the rise of this country. You need something to actually provoke a rebellion like the one that we had. That's right.

I also think that this is a feature of the leader who actually live this entire movement. IT was very personal to download trump too. yes. And I think that's one of the things of appreciated is that I went this like the morning after, they like the afternoon after and and just felt right to me. He's not actually the thing that, that i've learned, as i've gonna know him over the last year, much Better, is he's not an idealogue or a policy wong, and he doesn't pretend to be one, but he is a bad actually. And I think the.

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The nation needs a bad assets commander and chief right now. And democracy kind of works actually, in the end, like the people really knew what they needed, and they showed up in roves to put the right person in office. And so I just think he is kind of one of these rare, inspiring moments in history where the people knew what they wanted.

They would not be shaken from their will. He would not be shaken from his will. And I loved being in my logo that night where he was just kind of interesting where everybody else is myself too, includes just like really joyce about what's happening and i'm sitting next, Donald d trump and and he said there and he's just, yep, this is exactly how is supposed to be watered.

IT comes in all right now we're going to the convention center, and this is where I was destined to be and what I was put here to do. And I think the people this country right now want somebody who has that level of self confidence and conviction to bring that back for the country. And so do I just think that was a kind of a beautiful moment of democracy working IT goes. Policy is like the persona of the country is actually what we recovered.

yeah. I mean, I spent years watching republicans histone trumps s in public. I always feel little nausea. I ve from just personal inks. I know well, but I hate hearing people.

I, it's all fake .

IT is it's perform. Now I just, just got shot up. I, I just, I realized I none only do I really like trump find amusing and all I really respect trump and I mean that what i'm saying IT and not i'm no reason because is yeah and I mean that and I I felt that at night I think .

actually for me that's been a bit of a journey as well. So I don't know as well as you whom anyway but at this point time yeah he's the right guy to .

in the country exactly he go through phases of taking may be too honest but you know taking from seriously excentric and that's just a fact um and you know he got elected in sixteen um not accidently the reasons he got elected but he said himself many times and is true I was there he did not expect to win and IT was kind of this on the road with a grateful dead kind of thing shambolic know and this did not feel that way at all.

IT felt purposeful. IT felt like he was living out his destiny and the deston's destiny. IT felt very heavy.

That's the night like is like a conviction that this is my destiny, this is the nation's destiny. And amErica has a great tradition by the way, we believe our manifest. Yes, this is like we have no reason to believe in.

Basically, we've no logic behind IT, just that we know that we're born to be the greatest nation, that such an example for everybody else is possible for human capacity. This is the country that does IT, and we had no reason to believe that the fact we do, and I think that's the kind of leader we need right now to bring that back. And that's Donald trump as a person.

So in some ways, trump stories, amErica story, trumps come back, is now hopeful ly, america's come back. And I actually actually just think it's onna play out that way. In the next couple of years, the national spirits going to be back.

You have seen the composition of the electorate, by the way, a lot of Young people that was probed, the biggest demographic show just came in a tidal wave of force, which I was particularly passionate about seeing. And you know, I think it's just this moment where we're going through a great kind of spiritual atomy spiritual the religious sense here in the civic sense about a spiritual revival of american identity. And like that was the pinacle of what we saw on to day night.

There was a moment, I think, right on the time he was shot in england, endorsed him within moments. Yes, I think he was looking back, you know, a pear point, the whole thing. But where I think, or i'm myself of this way, like why are we on the defensive? People who vote for Donald trump? Why are we embarrass? There was this very successful ever to make people feel ashamed.

We're supporting trump. And IT worked for, I mean, eight years anyway. And then in one moment IT just evaporated a new saw lake, twenty two year old child girls, that's right. You know, with trump pts and you're like way to second in knowing is embarrassingly eight years.

I think I think it's a beautiful thing for the country. I mean, IT started a little bit with you saw that in the business, the community and elan enormity was obviously huge.

I think this has been percuss ating for a little while, like I was really probably the thing I was most gratified by after the elections the next morning, the number of either calls or messes I got from real serious business leaders, billionaire in different domains or whatever. And I thought that enough to do this, but a few of them share with me. Look, I think you are an important part of giving me the permission to support Donald, truly important.

Give me the permission to at least stand up against whatever left in orthodox know way that they couldn't have. And and I think a lot of other people played important roles in that as well. And you want to privately.

the biggest role and giving people that permission, but you're from exactly that world. And like, just to be super blunt, you're front you have the credentials that mark a member of that class.

yes. And which which matter to some people and tiers of giving them.

The whole question is based on them yeah right and so um N G D to some extent is like the David acx um and you want above all but you're definitely in that world and you know they made a concerted effort to make certain that people like you would never admit to liking trump that's right.

and even liking trump and standing for a rejection of the left of orthodoxy at last, for five years that reached a fever pigeon peak time to step down from my job. You know, I first meant after I step down from my job as a biotic C E. O and you know, I went my first book for me that was actually kind of cathartic.

C and then I just wanted to other people to be able experience that as well, to be able to spread the possibility what IT feels to actually speak your mind in the open. It's a, it's like a liberating experiences, is a good, a deep personal sense, liberating experience. And actually just wanted more people to be able to experience that. What's the point of having a billion dollars if you can even express your opinion in public? But now I think that that .

it's like actually mostly behind us. Um um you know I talked a lot before you um ran for president and um remember thinking, you know most people imagine that if you make a lot of money, you can make a lot of money Young and that gives you the freedom to say whatever you want but of course, the opposite turns out to be the so the more you there is no f you money, only a few poverty.

The richer you get, the more investigation in the current system, the more you have to lose and so I did think you are very unusual in that you made all this money Young. And you know, again, kind of happy to first to stop making money for a while. You didn't see addicted to you.

You blew a lot.

There is something great about that. But why did why were you different from, like everyone else, you want a law .

school with classes? I can tell you there some I I won't even tell you about the email chains where they still have the class email list. There's a lot of funny stuff that goes on.

They lost their minds over myself. J. D. Were all classmates, and my wife was a metals the same time. So we were all were .

all friendly. We see you.

yeah. Yes.

you all miss use your credentials against the so I have to ask you to post you. You're on the ill law school, which for those who don't follow the most prestigious while school is is to but also probably the most insane in some way.

Yeah I think all fair.

yeah. So what's the what's the email change? Each class just .

has their own has their own kind of like live where they or they'll stay in touch. And after the spring field stuff, right?

So people were going.

people were going totally nuts, and I were going totally nuts. And then there was this like a long thread of what charity people were gona give to in springfield town. They otherwise would never visit, never have heard of, never have given second care to to say, okay, here's what we're actually gonna to help this community.

And they started to have everyone in piling. And well, i'm going to make my donation, and i'm going to make my donation here. And IT was IT was so nazzal, but that was actually very keen effort to get the new york times to report on IT. So the neth times did report on that course near a in .

one reporters because the design .

to make money to particular causes in springfield virtue signal the fact that we're not on the jd danced nd trump side of this and as yell us as fellow yellow sco lums who came from that same class, we're onna actually make a concerted donation to send a different signal that we're on the side.

But you N J D are actually from ohio.

actually. A i'm able to pull out the email that I, that I sent. So I I sent an email to the group.

I I never haven't commented on this list is served in like five years, like I have no or ten years troubles. I haven't post a single thing, but I kind of entertain myself watching this stuff from time to time. So I actually also went to spring field myself, actually.

So this was three one back. So when all this is playing out, I said, I can't go spring field. Check this out.

I have a lot of family that lived there in the past. I have some family there who lives there now. I spend a lot of my youth there.

There this place, there, there's a subway place that I used to go to, like when I used to play tennis at whitten burg every summer, which is the university in spring field. So i've spent a lot of time there growing up. And I said, I live like fifty minutes from there right now in columba group in, I live in columbus spring.

Here is literally on the way right in between. Like, let me just go check IT out. So I just was having dinner with my wife in a couple of friends in column.

I just put out a tweet. I said i'm going to spring field. Want to see what's happening. See you for myself and no plan for like an event or anything like that but some guy in replies and says, I an event basic can hold three hundred and twenty five people we show in sprinkle this is what like a month or to go and all displayed out.

And this three, seventy five people that could hold two thousand people show up, but they could hold two thousand, and the rest were lined up outside. And people just wanted to be heard. Did I see evidence of cats and dogs beginning? I didn't see evidence of that.

What I didn't see the evidence that was a woman being chased out of the store with a micheli her daughter by by the illegal migrant who is in this country, which didn't get reported on by the news at all, but was a function of woman who actually came and told that story of her daughter who was being chased with a micheli out of a grocery store called the police, and the police in show flowers, and they didn't follow up with an investigation either, so that people deserve to hear. Police did nothing that he said, and I have every reason believed her. So anyway, against that backdrop, I also wanted do something positive for the community, have, having shown up in spring, feel there's s obviously a strain on local resources.

So I wanted to make a donation. And as you said, live the american dream. I wanted to make a hundred thousand dollar donation, right? So to help that for my family, that's an easy thing we were able to do to help the local community wears the strain.

So we find where the local strain points are, access to local primary care. And we try to make a donation in conjunction with my trip. But the organization, uh, did not want to accept the donation that our families about to.

So you've talked about spring field. We need help. We need all the people who can to help support the community. And yet here is somebody who is living ohio is living american dream. I want to actually use a small portion of what this country is giving us to help a community is important to me in the area of health care, where there were a lot of strange resources, in part because of the large numbers of people who are, you know, who who've been, you know, moved to that community, and I don't know, have the ability to help the community that way. Why did they didn't provide a great explanation?

They turned down a hundred donation.

Who would do that? I mean, an administrator, I suppose. But because politics, I can, I can only, I can only assume, I would say I heavily doubt that if I were know, shared Brown or something like that, that they would have turned down a similar donation in a time of need.

When I talked about this when I was a springfield, but afterwards, I just I told people that I was going to help support spring field. So I decided to I wanted to follow through on that. So we found a couple of other check table causes to donate to in totaling hundred thousand dollars to help spring field.

And one of them was a crisis pregNancy center. I'm pro life, and we wanted to, at least to help people get to know strains on the system is a different area of health care where we thought there were strains on the system. I actually survey a lot of people in ohio and in springfield privately, who I knew, where could I have an impact? And they gave, they gave us, this is a resource.

So anyway, to bring us back to the original story, we have this law school list. Ve they've made a donation to I think IT was like IT. IT was a left leaning group that had a lot of a lot of woke stuff on their front page.

I can't tell you which exactly when IT was near the al plaster all over where IT needs to be and they made a donation, they got a bunch of people to sign on in. Every time somebody donated, they they would reply on and say, I have also donated. There was a certain pride and sanctimony that the'd got the new york to report on IT.

They got I A N B C to pick IT up. So there's a lot of media around that's craze comparatively, not quite as much money being raised even but at the point. And so i'm on this list having to sort of see my you know inbox repeatedly flooded with every other times only made a donation.

So I just sent a note because maybe those people who have a different point of view from supporting exactly the cause they put up. So included a link saying for those who wanted support springfield, here are some mother alternative causes that you might wish to support. My family and I were please to support the community.

They lost IT with respect to a crisis pregNancy center. Actually, they didn't even like IT very much. I think they, they called IT. They saw as they saw IT as a insult.

Actually, they felt personally insulted that I was going to exploit their a good feeling about springfield, the attention they wanted to draw by supporting IT, by offering a very different kind of cost. But a beautiful thing happened because this goes to the same trend you and I are talking about. There are actually a lot of my classmates.

Tes, so I know lean left of center who then came out. And we're just like, well, have you ever considered the fact that we may also have classmates who have a different point of view on these questions and you may not just want to be donating to one particular side of this cause and there is just a debate among them. So I did I didn't really get further involved in this. I rarely post on that list. That was just two liner that I had to share to offer .

the alter of you and jd .

personnel on the list. I, I don't read most of the emails. I think, I think there have been a lot of unfriendly things.

said, yes. So you gotta wonder about that whole world. yeah. I mean, so trump, t, japan. J, D, one to yl, so you still have two guys that I really degrees yeah in the top.

I don't think I know this to far from bitter being shame in that like i'm very had great experience at harvard, in yale and we've learned that get a education because of a lot of these people leaning left you get .

questioned more than the I bet that's right yeah but there's also over the past several years um we have been a lot of evidence that those schools um you know aren't good for .

a lot of the kids.

They are not the place they have got a strong Price. You think you depend on, on other people's approval? Obviously, you don't seem to care that much. Um but you know most people, Young people really do care what they heard thinks.

And for those kids like a lot, i'm get destroyed and become completely irrational and into know the witchcraft of transgender or whatever did they become like not really functioning people people and and you just wonder, like how long does the prestige attached to those institutions particularly and say, china, which keeps them a lot but low, all of these schools are dependent on actually rich chinese. yes. So like when does that end? When do we stop, Jennifer?

Before places, either they're going to massively change what they are and what they represent, or they are going to go the way of the despite of history. They are, they kind of are so so the thing is there's a difference between even these places now verses twenty years ago, it's like not the same place in the same institution. Harvard deal always been left, always have had a very certainly self self important view themselves.

That's always been the case. But they were institution certainly when I was there day from experience where. Alternative ideas were tolerated. There was a good debate. I actually learn a lot from being pushed by classmates at different points of view in mind, evolved in some of my views. It's a beautiful thing.

That's what supposed to happen through a oppositely liberal arts education that is not the institution of harvard yield or countless others like them that exist today. There's something dramatic has changed as they have lost their north stars no longer at least dated as of this to say, six months to a year ago. Maybe what's going to change.

We're no longer committed to pursuit of knowledge, and we're committed to the pursuit of affirmative social goals like harvard. Top goal, IT seems, is to drive social change in the world rather than an x educate their students. Yell has completely abandoned the idea of free speech, that the expression of certain ideas is itself constants and active violence in a way that they no longer will tolerate on their campus.

I think all of that's going to have to change because otherwise you're going to a produce a bunch of literacy defeat graduates that aren't going to go on to actually accomplish very much, which gives the next generation very little to incentive to want to go through those institutes that is in the first place. And so know what's to happen. You know either either they're going to become increasingly irrelevant and go through this process of elegant decay that they're in right now, either they would die of the two choices I like all of ah .

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i think it's a renewal of national self confidence. actually. I think that we are going to be more sure of ourselves as americans. I think we are I think the idea that people are you a lot of people who, what if either felt uncomfortable saying this is what a downal trump, or didn't even think they did, but now realized that they actually value what he represents, have a greater sense of conviction in themselves, have a greater sense of conviction in america. I think that's .

probably the most important thing. I mean, gold dropped a hundred books announce and like an hour, yes. And gold, of course, to bet against the U. S. Dollars.

the rest of the stock. And the stock market went exactly in the opposite direction. And so the markets reflect confident. And I think the revival of our self confidence is the most important thing actually, because everything else we can talk about the issues that, you know, fixing the border, restoring law order, enforcing the law, ending rampant crime in the country, growing the economy, all of those things require a certain level of self confidence in america, requires a certain sense of spine and who we are to be able to say, okay, an economy grows and people are willing to take risks.

You not want to take risks to create a new business or to grow you or to invest in new venture unless you have actual confidence in yourself, in your ability to do that same thing with respect to the rule of law. You have to believe in the validity of american rule of law to actually stand by IT, even when it's actually harder, unpopular to do so saving to say that our own border actually means something. You have to have confidence in a nation to believe that nation is worth protecting.

If you actually don't believe in what's inside, then there's no real reason you have to protect IT physically either. So I think the revival of our national self confidence is the most important thing down the trump has delivered and I think is going to deliver for the country. And if we get that back, the rest of IT actually pretty easy. It's sort of falls in the place more or less automatically, I would say.

But along the way, they're all mean there are all kinds of obstacles and the first obstacle is finding the right people of staff, the government. Yes yes which and trump has said this himself um including to me like that before I got elected in public I didn't have anyone to on the government and there one of bad people wounded up uh in positions of real authority will be different this time .

I think IT will actually I think IT will because first of all human beings down not included, has learned a lot from that first term. I think that if you have somebody who had never runned office before, and i'm particularly synthetic to this, I am for a president without knowing what the heck I was getting into. And IT was very much a fie first aim, later strategy for me over the last year when I ran.

And I can deeply empathize with Donald trumps first run for president. And I did he run for the first time. He actually won the first time as well. And to be able to get in there, as you said, I wasn't there. But that sounds like without even that matter an expectation of winning, I think the system was able to strike back before he and his team were able to get their arms around the system and even still accomplish a lot.

I think I think that first term was, and I said this when we spoke the other day, but IT was like the most successful president of the twenty first century, which is setting very low bark, as the other presence in the twenty first century have been awful. Torch, push job and barack obama, or the others and deal truck was on a bigger to the best of that batch. But I think the idea that there's only the things you going to learn by doing IT, I mean, even running for president, the only certain things I could have learned about that process by doing that now little and leading the country, I think there's only certain things down altrui could have learned by actually being in that position.

And so this time around, I think he is laser focused on making sure that the people he puts into those positions actually share broadly his vision for the country, broadly share an allegiance. People make like this some kind of bad thing, but an allegiance to him personally, i'm sorry you're running a company. You can't run that company as a CEO of the people who work for you actively dislike you or wish to undermine you personally even if they believe in the company's product IT doesn't work if they actually like actively hate the CEO. So I don't know why the liberal press actually likes to make a big deal out of the fact that downal trump wants people who will also share your personal allegiance to him and our missionary. Gn, I think both of those things are required for .

a functioning organization because undertrained p, the F, B, I was always showing up in people's houses and stealing in our cell phones. And carr await. Now these people are to tea italian, and I know a lot of people personally and friends with people who have been the target of FBI rads, including today. Um alphy ox was a wonderful man.

We went to visit his restaurant up four naples man I know kind human .

was immensely.

He took great care of our family in the short time we spent, wonderful person I shot spoke in conservative .

spoken trumper which is your right to .

do in this country .

of course he was a covet dissident um and he was rated by the FBI today. Now I just tested my um I don't know what the charges are the pretext is for reading his house but i'm willing to speak my credibility on if since I know him so well um you know don't think alpha x is doing anything that warranted an FBI rated and I doubt he would have been rated and up an outspoken trump hot so these people are scary. There were going to be thrown out of power um what is truth do with the Mandate that he has.

I hope, as much as possible, as quickly as possible. I think the same. I think the lesson from last time around is if you don't move fast, the the beast ultimately will, you know, will swallow any individual hole, of course.

And so I think he's ready to go in with real determination this time around to move quickly, move fast. I think we need winds behind our back early on. You know, one of the things they think we learned from last time around is a lot of this is just early momentum, right?

If let's say we have three, all three branches love, let's say we've got judicial branch. We have a great judicial branch right now at the top of the supreme court, the best we've had, certainly our lifetime. But you combine that with a strong electoral Mandate for the presidency, a strong decisive majority to send out to get a good senate majority leader picked. And then and I think rick's got would be great for that.

but that john corny corner is an aggressive liberal in cda dd trump in wins the popular vote in john corny of texas, who is way more liberal than I want a democrat I know, winds up sent a majority leader. I mean, that just, it's crazy.

Assume a few more the correct pieces fall in his place, and then even the majority, at least an impeachment proof house. I think that we got to go big. We got go fast.

Two major issues right out the gate. One is already the one the downturn been talking about the entire time. You know, he's pumped up about IT and he is not onna mess around with this is to fix the illegal immigration crisis and actually see our national borders.

And he is laser focused on that. He has made no secrets about that, that his top campaign message, he's going to keep dead promise, and I think he's going to keep IT fast starting on day one. That's a number one, and there's a lot to say on that, but it's hard to say what hasn't already been said about what needs to be done through IT is about getting in there and doing IT.

So that's mass deportation. Number one is millions of illegals out of this country and ceiling the border along with that. But i'm actually far more intrigued and interested for the long run in what I think of as the second mass deportation that we require, which is the mass deportation of millions of unelected federal bureaucrats out of the dc p ocracoke. And I do think that is what's going to save this country. I think you actually can.

You can fire. I can all be fired. I've been fired many times. I'm sure what you just lost a presidential race like we've all the only group that cannot fail that has actual tenure is not a harvard professors not even it's not even it's federal bureaucrats know just got ten years is is no protection at all, compared the protection of federal employees.

So the one difference is, first of all of the president, who I think has the spine, actually step up and do IT. But the second thing is we actually have a and not to get to, you know, in the weeds here, but we actually have a legal landscape with the current supreme court that allows us to do what couldn't have been done .

in the last half center. They have a moral right to work from home yeah ten hours a week at our expense at a far higher wage in the average market.

Absolutely funny thing is more complain, you should up a really interesting dimension of if you literally just Mandate that they have to actually show up to work monday through friday and radical idea, don't go to work. Actually I would IT that right right? That step alone.

So you don't even have to talk about about, you want a mass firing and mass exists. Just tell them they have to come back five days a week from A P M to six p. Like many americans, most americans who work harder to earn a living in this country just show up physically to work.

You'd actually have about a twenty five percent turning out of the federal inaccuracy right there. So that's an easy first step. Next step is so the supreme court would they've laid out right now is theyve basically said in so many words that most federal regulations are on constitutional al, close to in so many words that what they've said if congress didn't pass IT, it's a basic principle.

Here is the people we elect run the government should on the government. That's not the case today. The people who write most of .

the rules were never elected to the congress makes .

the loss constructs. But that's exactly at works today in the supreme court, thankful's had a major problem with. So is this case west for the university, pa. Two years ago, there was a sloper bright case that came down this year that overturned this horrific doctorin called chavez difference, which said that the courts have to deferred to the agencies judgments on what the law actually says. The rain course torn all of that to shreds.

And basically what they've said is, if it's a major question, if it's something that affects people's lives economically or relates to major political issue, IT cannot be written into existence by somebody who is not elected to office or who can't be voted out of office. IT has to be done by the people who are elected to write the loss. So who could be voted out if they're right? Bad loss. That's a beautiful thing. And I think that those .

were size scribing cracks.

That's actually the essence of democracy. That's the essence of self governance. So we've had those cases come down under the biden Harris ten year. But actually, if you have somebody who takes over in the presidency now, we're going on generate who takes a posture of executive humility.

And this is the key part, right? Because people say, or dolphins is going to go if is going to go shut down these agencies, that's executive fiat. No, no, no. You got a mixed up. The executive fiats.

What's been happening for the last century, really in this country, but over last four years, included unelected bureaucrats by fia, legislating what otherwise should have gone through we, the people in our elected representatives. So the spring court, arty said, told the executive venture you can do that. Actually, a lot of that was illegal and constitutional.

All we need right now is an executive branch that is, hey, the supreme court. You've told us a lot of what we're doing is illegal IT violate the constitution. So we're not going to do that anymore. And that requires us to take any regulation, any federal regulation that fails these standards that the supreme court has given us in west real universa in lobo bride in is not a case called jarka y vers C C. That that want to release to slightly different issues.

But the supreme court standards, all of these regulations that fail that test, we're just going reason there are no avoid and we don't have to resent them because we are to know they're actually no invoice in illegible in any way. But we will put the public on notice to say these tens of thousands of regulations that have been written by federal BIOS rats, they're not avoid because they were never written by the people who we elected. Now if you have fifty percent fewer regulations, that creates kind of an industrial logic to say that, okay, well, then we do not need fifty percent of people around anymore either.

And the way these rules have worked in the past as they have this, you know, as well by the civil service rules, the civil protection rules that say you can't find this federal ocs that's been the historical accept a dog ma, actually, for real careful lye doesn't work quite that way. That applies to individual firings, right? To save I fire you.

You have a special protection to say that either politically discriminated against, you discriminated IT for some of the reason or if you fire bunch of people with discretionary firings, if there's a disperate ratio impact or a gender impact or whatever you could be suit on a million grounds. But if IT is part of a mass firing, what you call a reduction in force, if it's just like a mass firing, those actually fall outside the civil service rules as they exist. So if you go in that order to say that, okay, the supreme courts, ari told us that all of these regulations, not all of them, but an overwhelmed majority of them, are invalid.

You go straight down that list and say, we have fifty percent, seventy percent, eighty percent fewer regulations. Then you look at the four million people, civil servants or whatever, and say that OK, if we have eighty percent fewer regulations, that we need eighty percent fewer people to enforce them, that simply makes sense. Then you have the industrial logic for right there, under current law, mass downsizing, just the scale of the federal government.

And part of the problem is these things are deeply related. When you have a bunch of people who show up to work, who should have never had that job in the first place, they start finding things to do actually. And that's what gave us that regulatory morass in the first place like the federal reserve.

I mean, you just fired yeah by twenty two thousand and place in the federal reserve, if you fired ninety percent of there will still be two thousand left, which is arguably on the high side. If you have a federal reserve who's so focus is restoring the stability, the U. S.

Dollar, which I do think should be the sole and the purpose of the U. S. fed. Same thing with respective, you go straight down the list. E, P, A.

what twenty two thousand employees do with the fed.

do a lot of calculations, do a lot of IT, feeds their hubris a little bit. So markets, and I was, you know, I worked to the hedgers und does first job I had for seven years at a college, and understand way in which people will hudd around, dividing what the exact meaning is of a comma at the end federal reserve minutes.

Does that mean that they think the economies overheating so much that they have to raise interest rates? That feeds the kind of hubris of the bureau. A, to make them think that there are some kind of genius and some kind of actual savan that merits this attention.

But the reason the market actually pay tension to what these federal serve people say is not because they have some sort of expert knowledge that's actually meaningful. They're actually looking to see effectively how they're going to screw up in the process, right? And so academics take over the federal serve in the late .

nineteen nineties.

the finally has one big level, right? Well, if you have a few levels, actually they're able to pull one big lever. Broad limit is how much money you feed in or suck out of the system. That's true. But they they've used that in ways that have been anything badly destructive to the country.

And because because here's here's like an example of how so when the academic took over the fed in the late nineteen nineties, and one of the things that happened, and this was a kind of managerial class in this agency, that's the three letter agency in some form, F, V, D, right? But they said was, okay, if wages are going up, this is a long story if you want to get to, but we can give a short version if wages are going up, that that is a leading indicator of inflation. So wages growth was a bad thing.

So the way you fight wage growth is by tightening monetary policy into which is going up. Here's a prom with that. Anybody who's on a business knows this, okay, wages are the generally the last thing to go up in the business cycle.

If things are going really well in the business cycle, the last thing most employers wanted say, not say the right decision of the wrong decision, but most employers, the last thing they want to have, go up as the wages. So wages tend to be actually not a leading indicator of the business cycle. Wage growth tends to be a trAiling indicator of the business cycle.

We have the academic minded, the federal reserve that said that one thing we can measure that we can observe, feel smart about. So wage growth, we're going to treat that as a leading indicator inflation, even when it's trilling indicator. Well, what does that mean? They tightened monetary policy precisely into a natural downturn of the business cycle, which gives you the boom bust.

And what comes after a bust is, of course, the bail out. So you get these boom, bust, bailout cycles. That's exactly what happened. You could see in two thousand. And you can see in two thousand eight, you could see some version of IT, you know, even in twenty twenty three, although that was a little bit more subtle. And so anyway, that's that's a whole rabid hole about the fed.

But it's an example of when you have twenty three thousand people show up to war who should have never had the job in the first place, they start finding things to do. And when you find things to do, that ends up being destructive rather than helpful, which means the root causes you got to get rid of. The presence of the people populate that bureaucracy.

But in order to do that, you need this industrial logic. And that industrial logic, in my opinion, is what the supreme court has already given us, which is this Mandate to, say, the executive branch, the fake executive branch, the ministry state has written all these rules by fiat. Most of them are illegal, like they're actually unlawful.

They're illegitimate. And so if you have an executive branch is okay, we're going to recognize most of these regulations are legitimate. There's your blue print for them, shape gone, the size of the patrol, auc racy, which is then the permanent solution to stop that bureaucracy from perpetuating this kind of illegal rap into action. And I think that's the stuff of how yuki save a country. Boring is that .

might not boring. And I think I i've never heard in all the, you know, my whole life and washing anybody suggest that this is a process that could really be stalled, a reverse the process being the growth of the federal government, which is just an exhorted because the purpose of the institution is to protect of physical. Every institution exists to protect itself for its own benefit.

That's its purpose and it's demonstrable in its behavior. So um but it's it's so obvious it's so overwhelmed is the largest institution in human history i've never heard anybody say you know we have a shot of like lopping off ten percent, twenty percent, twenty percent, twenty percent, twenty percent that I mean I would change everything from our foreign icy to our economy to our culture. Um you really think that that could happen yeah .

I think that could happen. I think I think that will there be trade off? I had not going to paint some sort of exclusively .

so you're going to have a crash in the economy of rowton, Virginia, just well deserved, and maybe boom of economy elsewhere and long over. Do you know why shouldn't arlington and mcclean and louden county share the pain of gary, inDiana? I don't understand a spring field of hio.

I don't understand. Take the bright side of older age mood, you two sides.

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they go together. Send these people to Carry in dana or the springfield. We don't need external, external individuals to the nation actually fill those open positions.

We have three of them sitting in the greater washington, D C. Area who know they could say all of those people really going to do those job. Maybe they should.

Actually, there could be far more productive then the destruction that they are doing to the country right now. IT is a fact that we have more open job than we have people in the country. That's often one of the back door arguments made for mass illegal immigration of this country.

But actually OK, you need, I think for rule of law reasons, you need deportation of people who are in this country illegally. But if you get three million people out of the federal bureaucracy in washington, D. C, they are americans, and those are available candidates.

Taxi, provide a little shot. The ARM to .

labour agencies moved. They solution, be moved. absolutely. I don't think all of, I think many of those agencies should not exist.

Many of them that do continue to exist, absolutely should be moved to other parts of the country. I don't think a certain general office is in washing. D.

C. I don't think. I don't think you should have much. H. S. More broadly.

I don't think that the department of agriculture should a sit. Washington, D. C. I think there are countless agencies, the department of education, I think you're wrongfully insulated in washing dc. Now certain of those agencies like the department of education should not actually exist. So I wouldn't want to start this process of just saying, okay, let's move the amount of washington, D C, A, em sort of polite, gentile way of avoiding inside stepping the thing that we actually to do, which is bring a jack air mr. In a chain saw of the whole thing.

But even those that do continue to exist, you would actually have a lot more accountability to the people and probably even some some kind of stimulus, if you will, in parts of the country that wouldn't mind a little bit of that growth getting out of dc and come into their own backyard. These two things go together though, because if you actually to take one of these agencies and say, I have to shop to work five days a week and actually you have to go to to pick a kansas persons and oo instead you'd actually have a good number of people quit anyway, which avoids the servants cost. So I I like that method as you can get to a get two in one, right there is finding IT down and moving IT out.

But I move the agencies out. You should fire about seventy five percent of the federal employee headcount, if not immediately. On day one, you could go, you could eason that that pretty quickly, agencies that are redundant can be reorganized that should exist.

Department of education, a good example, shut IT down in the money back. Workforce training can move to the department of labor, and loan collections can move to treasury. There's just a mass opportunity for a mega reorganization and thereby downsizing of this bureaucracy.

And it's a one way actually because it's not like if another president comes back, they can write that back into existence by fiat. The'd actually have to go through congress to do that. And so I think this is a to call once in a generation, uh, understates IT IT. Might be might be closer to once in a century or once in a nation's lifetime opportunity to drastically reorganize and reshape and drive structural change in the federal government. And i'm pretty pumped up about that actually.

Would you be involved in this effort?

I'd like to be, yeah, actually, i've given me a lot of IT the of the of presidential campaign. I spent a year and half of my life this. I was pride the most. I mean, I take a lot of positions, a lot of things, but this is probably the single most useful and certainly person really important to me part of the policy aspect of my campaign last year and yeah have been involved with the same in recent months. So this is laying out with the blue prince look like this is the .

draining the swamp part of the Operation that we were promised but ever got. And you've talked to the president elect about and many other topics you think he's on board for something this far reaching.

He understands this is the root cause of the cancer. He he's that drain the swan for a reason. You could talk about all the reasons why that was hard to do the first time around.

One of the reasons is we don't even have that legal landscape from the current supreme court, and IT makes a good supreme court appointments that allowed us to have this landscape. So now I think he is dialed and understands that incrementally tinkering around the edges of these agencies that doesn't work. There's a temptation to say if you just fire the person on top that somehow that's going to fix the problem.

No, James, call me two point over whatever to fill subserve the same seat. But I think if you're willing to actually strike the levithan at its core, I think that that's actually what it's going to take to save a country. And I do think he gets that in.

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Federal employees are the core audience of seen A, A, B, C. So I don't think, course, are you watching that crap? What happens? I mean, right? That's a good not obviously parenting people are the watching the view what happens to watching Jimmy kim or whatever his name is, what happens to all those people? I mean, if they reach the point of like being so totally discrete .

that they can continue. So here's to my view when I talk about the bureaucracy to change that, to actually draw a distinction between the bureaucracy, its own self perpetuating organism, and the individual three million people who populated. So there are certainly some people who are in positions of authority, who are just individually bad people, absolutely, that need to be merged from the federal government and get out in back to Normal life.

May be they can be rehabilitated, but there are gonna that I can be the job of the new government. That's gonna something that their own spiritual advisers have to help them through. That's that's a separate category.

I think that's a relatively small minority of the three plus million federal civil servants, who I do think are probably a deadweight worse than dead weight because they're actually inadvertently of in doing things that are net harmful to the country. I think it's the machine itself that I think is a big part. The problem.

A lot of these people are people who individually believe that they're Carrying out some sort some sort of good and IT comes from this sort of organizational concede, which is basically skeets ticals of self governance, right? It's as oldest as all as human beings are as the idea that you can govern yourself was mostly a radical idea that most people thought was laughed and crazy. Means we fought the, we thought the american revolution over the exact topic that you are talking about here.

Because the basic view is that if you leave IT to wheat, the people, you burn yourself out of existence through global warming or climate change, or you you harm yourself before you even know IT through racial equity, your failures or climate change failures, that's the equivalent of what the old european world view was. Was that the idea that we, the people, could be trusted to gover ourselves and express her R N opinions? That was crazy. That's why we have ought to an american revolution. Well, IT turns out that that ugly monsters, just wearing its head again, saying that, no, you actually can be trusted to self govern.

So i'll tell you that you are to give you the satisfaction of believing that you live in a republic that was actually they could think of rewrite american revolution through uh revisions ous lens and say, okay, you can't tell people they live in a monarchy, but if you can at least keep the parts of a monarchy that are required for a society to continued exist but full people into thinking they live in a democracy or self governing republic, that's almost good enough. And that comes with some in in convenience because sometimes that will actually even behave a little bit like a democracy at times. But in the core questions, at least if I was unelected people who actually made those decisions, that machine is actually what protects humanity from itself.

And so the people occupy those positions are individual people who believe that they are doing the right thing, not even for themselves, or that they're trying to harm their fellow citizens. They're doing the right thing for their felicity zs. I'm taking about the average civil servant working at the F D.

A or the S C, C or whatever. They believe that if IT weren't for them, the silent, you know the Bruce figure that they are right, the hero they got him deserved. That's how they think about themselves. And individually, I guess you could say that motivation as much as there's a concede embedded in that like they're not individually irradiation people, I just think that they have become part of a machine that is.

And so I the baby that you, I M, I came here to take a separate issue, right? We have cultural issues in the country, but if we view the bureaucracy as its own target, separate, apart from the individuals who comprised IT, I think that's going to A A allow us to be more successful, indeed, allow us to, I think, sell IT to the rest of the country. And not in a fake sale, but like a true sale, to say that we don't hold this against the individuals who are working here, who have put in twenty years of work to the federal government, but we owe IT to the rest of the people of this country that the job of the federal government is not to employ these people.

So where does the rob hit the road on that? Here's one where call me off for this, but actually think this would be advisable, actually think this would drastically crease the probability success of this happening. But I also think that IT doesn't really dilute what were doing.

IT doesn't vote our purpose. I would actually favor rather generous severance arrangements with those individuals, right? Like we can debate whether that the years, the year and half, a year and half would be extremely generous.

You could say that well, then you're eating into some your cost savings, not really in the long way. You're still saving a lot of money, but the whole exercise wasn't really about saving their headcount costs. And the biggest cost of employing the people in this machine is the action machine itself.

So if you have debilitated that for a year and a half worth of seven years, well, I mean that what's that it's like a year and half worth of not having done this in the first place, pay that as downpayment actually make that happen. That by Normal employment standards is actually really generous. Like if you're going to the company and you're not doing a great job and someone fires you, even if you're in a great job, you part of division that's no longer part of that company, you're generally not going to get a year and a half's worth unless you're the C E O.

You're not going to get a year in half's worth of pay. Just doesn't work that way. You might get two weeks. You might get two months at most.

So to treat these federal employees far more generously than they would have been in a private sector this point, people watching this, who would who would think of being soft for saying that? No, I think, but actually I think that's the right thing to do because IT will allow us to do this in a way that separates. This is a personal then data against those individuals who themselves, other families and their kids and whatever is that we're solving more of a structural problem.

And so that's how I kind of separate a deckers, especially economically, on the server piece of this. Like, I want to go in, I want to go, I want to go hard, I want to go aggressive, but I want to make this less about going after the individuals we do. They're still free to wash the view if they want, you know what they can have a year a year to have .

more the salary pose IT because I mean this this matter ah doesn't .

matter like IT just doesn't matter right now.

Actually I love that.

Yeah and they'll ll sue and i'll take a dissuading court. That's also why this has to be done now, not only because it's the window of the electoral and we have I think the current supreme court is on our side in a way that IT never has been since the advance of the administrative state, which is around one thousand hundred and twenty, like in the last century.

We not had a supreme court that has been as aligned with the vision that i'm describing to you as well. We have now and fast for and twenty years, we probably won't really I mean, realistically, in the next twenty years is going to be somebody who you and I don't agree with, who's probably to be elected president. And this can be spring core justice who either diregus swap out in that time frame. So this is a, again, back to once in a century, maybe once in a national history, opportunity to really drive deep structural change in the federal government .

improvement. So here's how I would stop IT if I were on the other side and opposed to this, yeah, I would have a war. I mean, sure, we have these.

I mean, the is, at its current size, because of war, the main physical effect, the second world war in the united states, which was the construction of the world's largest office building, the pennon. We have D. H. S. Because of the world .

I came in existence, of course, in the yet.

war increases the size of government. IT changes attitudes that changes your society, always in terrible ways, in my opinion. But certainly IT changes IT.

But IT creates an environment where people don't question, because people afraid, yeah. And so they feel like they need government. So um ultimate .

the government is.

you know there a lot of money spent in the last year um on worth around like people want worth around, that's that's the world people want, donors want I know for fact. So um if we get a word on that, we're not that we're not cut in the government at all.

Interesting, I ever give that some thought. I mean, one of things is also true is that massive love and we're talking about probably I give that we into the ethereal example about the fed. But one of the best places, best examples of that is the state department, as you will know, right? That is, when you think about the swamp and then elected bureaucracy and the people who set policy, who were never elected to set that policy.

And the state department, probably a far Better example than the U. S. Federal reserve, are too many good examples to choose from.

But that state partment is is .

it's probably high on the list. Yeah no.

it's got some sort of Mandate to make the world gay or something. I don't understand what where IT came up. I mean, the point of state department is to conduct plommer y on behalf of the united states. It's not to change cultures around the world to fit, you know, the Morris of the fest maryland really so well.

I think it's it's behaved like most organizational reaudit acy IT takes on a life of its own. And so that's that's again, another example of an agency is just another agency really that needs to be we got to take the same attitude to say that if you get a bunch of people shown up to work, you shouldn't have that job. They start finding things to do that are generally damaging and that could include even not only in our own oh, my god, but I brought as well.

Oh, it's I mean, the fare stay .

is upstream of welfare state, some because even relates to to the immigration crisis, actually more so in europe. So I think he probably will eventually be directly linked to the immigration crisis here too, where part of europe's mass invasion, if you will, of illegals entering europe. Is actually the consequence of U. S. Disruptions that we .

created at the way, absolutely series and liba exact, right? We did.

And so that that negates the welfare state. We're different from western europe countries. But if you view the west more broadly and the rise of the welfare state in the west, the welfare state actually creates the need for the welfare state, which then actually creates the magnet that keeps .

the illegal migration and so they're going start yeah waving in illegal alien and giving the automatic weapons that .

first that's everything one at first and .

so then you have late room um where the dramatic tribes are populating .

in terrifying but OK.

So about the election, think about IT, that's what we're going. Um okay. So within hours of the election of trumping declared the winner in the last election numbers peared in the internet, which act you at china you've seen that showed the vote total in the last four elections for the democrats and in three other of the four the number including this one the number hovered between a fifty nine and sixty five um million votes and then you have this read an open and twenty twenty where IT was eighty one huh so how do you go was .

such a compelling canada .

that doesn't make any sense. So this candidate, his vice president SHE received, SHE common Harris received, they tell us, wikipedia tells us, received eighty one million votes in twenty twenty. And then somehow he received fifteen million fewer. What happened to those fifteen million? That just does not make, I just dare anyone to explain that to me.

What is that? I mean, look not a scholar on this stuff. But so I think a good number of those on the super positive side of this, a lot of those people are the people who are given the permission structured whether those people I will put that to one side. But there are a lot of people who actually did vote for joe biden who could not stomach voting for any other than the donor drop this time around.

I think it's great. Yeah, it's like, but trump numbers, the numbers for three, three elections, pretty much. And this tious cut to .

the chase on this, we won the election. Here's we do single day voting on election day as a national holiday with paper ballots and government issued I D. To match the voter file. And I would also add, while adit make english the sole language that appears in a, and you know what is a beautiful thing, we could does that this way, these other countries that do with this way, I think that's something that we could actually do. The country that send a rockit out and caught on the way back, yes, we would be able taxi run elections on a single day .

with paper ballot, yeah.

packing that there is resistance to legacy proposal offer, OK said. The countless times I trust talked about this single day voting on election day make IT a national holiday that I should brings people together, paper ballots, government issued I, D, to match the voter file, know if if that is objectionable.

that itself raises doubts about exact so I don't think a rs you can check pretty on here when any states with the law, right and he .

didn't lose .

SHE didn't lose any states that don't require vote ready. Ah so that's .

really .

interesting. Now i'm not the you following .

the science .

so I just don't understand. And I again, i've been in you know eighteen hours or whatever of depositions from voting machine companies to disgusting companies um was not name to either suit but they hold me and and try direct my life just for I don't know, I just disagreeing with them or something some matic and dominum disgusting companies. Why do we have electronic voting machines? No one will say this because I am afraid of getting .

sued by these company. The stifle what what I I haven't followed the the industrial history. This when did that come? When did they start using them? And what was the justification?

The justification was that they're more efficient and faster, more accurate and faster and they turned .

they takes .

a lot longer to get out and no um so india, I think is the largest country population just now. I think this largest and I buy largest democracy for sure in the history, the world. And I think they finished counting in one day correct?

I think I did is pretty fast, pretty fast. I said even even I mean, like you look at a terroristic import recall, I runs their elections with such execution excEllence compared to the rest of the united .

states and power .

a fair election, it's unbelievable. And we, what do we say this camera, this had to be by such a decisive margin that a landslide, my assumption, americans is still going to be a decisive Victory and that we got. So my view is we can and and is going to be such a temptation to do this is um we actually won like we're actually in a winning position right now.

So more less I could care less for become of her. Is jo iden pastor? Like I just don't IT just doesn't matter.

It's the spirit.

what I care about, how we actually going to fix IT in lasting way. I can way that just last for a really long time. I think there would be enough of an unity you think about the majority word now commanding in the senate.

I think we can do this nationally where you make electra national holiday put on a single day, and at least for federal elections, because election date, elections on by states, but at least for a federal election author states have a bit of bare minimum standard of single day voting paper ballots, government issued A I, D to match the voter file period. And I think more or less we've solved the problem of public confidence and elections for the long run. Think you solve, you solve right there under against that then i'd like to offer i'd like i'd love to hear the best possible argument offered against that.

I haven't really heard one people don't have yeah I think that's a the position actually so and they alleged racism for somebody who actually thinks anything different than the actual most racist thought on the matter. But I I haven't heard a good compel. Most black people favor moderate laws. Actually, most people favor moderate laws. So should not be surprising that most black people also have what laws.

And you know I think if somebody y's on their way to in the driving is is analytic tty is driving on their way to a vote and they actually get pulled over way to vote is their way out of actually spitting ticket because if you're going on your way to vote, you don't need to vote I D. But if you're driving anywhere else, you do. It's kind of a funny little paradox.

So most is common sense. It's called common sense because most people everywhere tend to have IT. And I think most people agree on this issue. We now have enough of a Mandate. So I think that .

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So how did you and I I saw you um in four thousand night with mp and he clearly like him. He clearly likes you um you know running again again somebody for office is not a natural environment for a friendship to spout you know, jack bush was not there .

yeah yeah .

how did you end up liking trumpet and backing you? Why do you have such an easy friendship? After running against him.

I think, were both unusual individuals in ways that caused us to jail. Actually, I didn't see the point in running. I am running against trump for sure.

And I I made my case for why I thought I was right. Canada, you know, I think that there I was the Youngest person never to run for U. S.

President as a republican. And I do think that there is an opportunity to lead and bring a new generation in some ways as we have and the less than the last year. But I didn't do the trump bashing thing like I just seem seemed .

kind of lame IT seemed really fossil. He was, yes.

But as things yes, we had, we had our sharp moments over the course.

They sure, but IT asn't personal. How you do that? How do you not get mad?

They all get mad at the end. He was interesting. I guess the whole thing wasn't an exercise that I took super personally anyway.

I think when you take this stuff too personally because exhAusting, but for me, I was, look, I feel like I have a calling for the country. I'm running for something. I'm running for my vision and you don't want along the way because I was deeply consistent in my vision.

I respect to down a trump. Like in a certain sense, if you think about like a family business or something, right? You have you can have a guy who just started IT bequeath, sit to his kids at some point along the way.

There are some bumps in the road in terms of, you know, how that happens and when, and wins the right time for the torch to be passed on. And those would be legitimate disagreements, arguments within the context of families. I know many people who have been in that similar position.

And so in that sense of Carrying the american torture, we could have like a reasonable debate about when the right time is for that to be able to pass on to the next generation of leaders, or whatever. But I came from a place of actual deep respect for Donald trump the whole time that I ran. Because one of the reasons why is, is the fact of the matter that I was self aware about, and myself, I would not have thought about running for U.

S. President had Donald trump not actually done IT as a first time outsider. And I don't think that that I don't think that idea would have occurred to me.

I'm a, you are an entrepreneur. I believe in achieving things that have been achieved before. But that particular thing I just wouldn't have even considered that possibility had done to trump not run one and been a successful president.

And so, you know, I said on the debate state at the dog, PHP was a great president twenty first century. And I think IT actually caused more anger from the other candidates on that stage at me for the rest of the race than down trump or I ever had. With respect, most of other people on the debate.

actually, how many were there?

This started with, like ten. The last debate I had, I was just four of us up there that was interesting there. There are so many things I would do differently, but that's the story.

The story, you know. I think the harness, the hardest part was in the short windows into a campaign that you, that you have interfacing with, like two hundred million people. I think even the people who are in physical rooms with me understood me at a different in deeper level than the ninety nine nine percent of the electorate than ever was.

But who saw a saw the few windows that they had to see who you are now the debate to one of things they learnt about them, is that this different for a general election debate if you're going against, like traverse areas or trumps by the people, watch that. And for a good reason, glad they did. But like in in a republican primary debate in the early psychosis, like ten people standing on a stage, most people don't actually watch that debate acy what happened for themselves. But what they do see is the distillation of IT. And so the clips.

yes, the clipsed. But even.

even the even, just like the verbal descriptions of actually what happened, that's what they get, is the synthetic. So the audience functionality of a primary debate isn't really the electoral IT. It's two groups of people.

It's the gatekeepers in the media. And IT is the people who fund campaigns like that. The audience that actually matters do. But I mean, i'm not ying SHE work that way, and I am saying I wanted to work that way.

But functionally, if you're looking at moving the ball forward in a in a race that is the group that determines whether or not that event actually vents your campaign forward towards Victory. And at some point, the campaign knew, and I actually spoke a few times over, including over a conversation like this we had while I was running. The conclusion I arrived.

That was, here's my strategy. I'm going to tell you what I actually believe right now. And ninety nine percent of the time, that was the same thing that I believe four years ago. One percent of the time I was not. But i'm going to tell you what I believe right now, and i'm going to tell you to you straight without filters and IT felt like that should be a winning electoral strategy.

I'm not sure it's the winning elector strategy, but this race was just so different from any other one because in retrospect, there's literally it's foolish for anybody, myself included, to think that anybody else was going to come out of this process other than Donald d trump as the nome. And it's because the moment right now that we're in the people of this country know what they need when they need IT. And they needed the guy who had been there who had who was strong enough, who wasn't necessarily an idea gue, but who was a bad as, who actually had had the experience and was ready from those learnings to be charged up and go back in and actually take you to the next look.

So they knew that. And I don't think the outcome was gonna any different of diva's. Od nomi was regardless of what I did, but there are still a lot of a lot of learnings through the process now things like I could have done Better.

I got million things I got done Better. But I think that. I think that being unsparing as I was, I think I I think I wouldn't change.

But to be able to combine that a little bit more with if there's a way for me to allow a lot of people to sort of know me the way that like my employees, that my businesses know me or my closest friends know me, I would I would love to think about how to do that. Doesn't from actually really good at that. Yeah, yeah. And I think that he's he's like the best at IT and watching him even in the years since I left the campaign has been ee opening.

It's been kind of inspiring actually, and it's made me think a lot about he's able to take into twenty thousand people in the room at the time, but also hundred million people not in the room at that time to really get to know him like who he is and feel like they actually deeply know him as a person as opposed to just as policies. I think IT was really good at lowing. A lot of people around the country to note what my policies were, what my specifics of were my vision for america. I found IT a little bit hard to figure out how to let people on the other side of no camera .

know who .

you actually get IT.

It's difficile refile trap more self. And he credit for quite self at really .

funny and really .

funny other night in last week of the campaign, pivoting against the trust of garbage. He shows up the garbage truck, worry you are there wearing, you dig low best. And he comes out on stage very, and he says by staff ed, when they want to me, they was, I wanted wear IT. They said to me, makes you work dinner.

I like that.

And I said, anything makes you work.

It's yours. So what about.

i've just wondered, one of sort of ongoing sidecar mixes that I tried to pay too much attention new but is little mean moriz ing is is the the never try movement?

Oh yeah.

what's going with that? Well, I don't think of anything actually are all people I know yeah from what is and they're just so repulsive to me .

what is going on? I think there's a kind of sync. Take a condition that needs to be treated with one hundred percent. I freeze something.

you know, whatever the chinese repulsive little daughter or jon gold berger said, you know, it's like you're not there is not impressive people. They were um exercising a thirty far beyond what um they had earned, my view in the first place both of the products of nepotism and there is mad that their world ended whatever but here's I don't want mean about IT that was a really mean but true once IT IT was true uh but the in the closing days of the campaign the Harris people kept telling us there a lot of people like that there are a lot of republican women who work in to vote for trump because he's too repulsive. They won't tell her husband's, they won't tell their husbands and they're going to vote for coming hair and IT turns out like the never trump world is got ten so much attention, but there's like, no one.

no clothes. Absolutely there. totally. Yes, he was IT actually up just being a merge. That thing at the end started that actually really got got into my skin, a little bit like the whole thing about go into the ballot box and vote differently than your husband. Like that .

was a pitch that was made subverting the family.

Converting the IT is the ultimate division place identity list. Divide on is the natural tension within because they're fundamental against the household as a unit. Anyway, for sure that that that was right.

The thing that pissed me off, I don't even understand that. I know, I know I well, we're voting differently. In our household night, I said to my wife, if we had, we're going to vote for different people.

First, I would say absolutely not were not going for different people. We're not vote if you're going to vote for different people. And second, we're going to take the weekend and talk for as long as IT takes you on the same page. A and maybe I change my view, maybe changes, but we're gonna line because we're married. I don't even understand .

you're the same team at the deep. S yeah.

it's so basically they're encouraging people to not .

split the team but to lie about IT and actually .

that so why do your husband? Yeah that is the democratic party just distill it's the lighter er husband party. The weak man and happy women party makes me there's something really sinister about that.

There is no this minister about IT but IT reveals that means what something minister about that. But it's mean it's transparently with the agenda and yeah and so that was in some ways the tactics of the politics of IT revealed a big part of with .

the whole process like they are always telling during COVID or during the B L. M. Riots, the real interaction, 我 就说 that what you know， go home and make sure your racist uncle or grandfather, the thanksgiving ving .

grow your family. That was again, destroy your family over what your, what your ideological obligation is. You think the sure changes.

I think .

that I think IT has to. I mean, think if we get our job right here, let's just going in dismantling. You can, you know, the administer to state actually fixing illegal migration in this country and actually having secure national borders, reviving our self conference.

I can see how the culture doesn't change. And in some ways, actually, the cultural change that might even just be in the wrong frame of IT, that is a small part of the story, I think, because I was the culture has already changed. And the best evidence of that is what we saw a last couple of days.

What we saw on tuesday night were, by the way, at the time you and I scheduled this to down, I was kind of skeletons, al, because I thought we're going to be like sitting here looking at like TV screens and like counting baLance and pencil vania. Something like that would a horrific way to spend time. But the fact that we're not doing that and that very night we actually knew the result. The way that nobody anticipated suggest that we actually already had the cultural change in this country, and IT was just revealed to be.

So whatever happened, a joe biden is, I mean that i'm not making funding and I feel sorry I I but i've never seen anyone disappear faster. And then you, but you never heard a word when .

attitude is towards the obama family right now, towards brack obama, because joby now certain ly would have been more compelling canada than Hillary clinton in twenty sixteen. And so this guy has had this life dream.

His work is entire life, became a senator, was elected like at the eight, thirty or twenty nine, and when he's elected in was thirty, who has inspired his entire life over the span of decades, beginning long before I was born, over fifty years for this, for this time, all like significantly longer than I was born. This man has been A U. S.

Inspired to be U. S. President to say that finally, when his turn that came around in two thousand fifteen, after a faithfully serving as a vice president or whatever.

to say that, no, no, eight years.

eight years going through that ignite and then to have hilary clin to say, to know it's it's like your time and then finally he just says, okay, after Hillary, losers, i'm just going to do this myself anyway, by a hell or high water that's a whole separate discussion gets his way into the White house and then to say, the same guy comes back and you know, who knows if the if the reporting on this is true but effectively threats to have him constitutionally removed from office untill lead to go unless you bend the knee the same guy only to then watch again the woman instead, who in this time was dominated the gilias fail at the very mission that you otherwise right.

I cannot even begin to find them what that, what that feels like. This is surely the happiest person about the election result on tuesday night in america, right? Because at least personally, may maybe him or jail biden.

Yeah, his wife are the had have been the two most shared for ID relieved american country. But it's how is he doing? I don't know.

Does that help if you're going through like a state of cognitive decline? Does something like that as painful as that is? Does that sense of agreeement and desire for vengeance actually kind of sharpen you? Maybe IT does because IT did seem like he actually got a little bit sharper actually after he was yet is a part of him part of him came back, right?

It's way for a read on election day.

How did SHE .

you were had? Yeah.

you know that's like they are riding in too much but you know it's it's just a fascinating it's neither critical or not. It's it's just interesting sociologically .

in this psychology what about the rest of the party? Like if you I mean, well, you failed you present. Thank you.

There was a time after you thought, okay, you know, what did I do right? What did I do wrong? Where you take on a stock of your own behavior because that's that's what IT is to grow.

That's called adult hood. yeah. Is there a moment like that for the democratic party? Do you think?

I think I hope there is. Actually, i'm kind of rooting for that because they'd be Better for the country. I mean, the number one person whose responsible for whether that you achieve your goal as you actually there's a lot of other factories you can lame, of course, in the number one determined to whether you achieve what you said that to achieve as you and that applies the number of the individual.

And if your team is in a political party, american politics, and that's true for for your team, right? They were responsible for their own failure and demise. I saw some interesting things over the last day, and IT hasn't IT hasn't been as like monolithic crazy as I expected.

And I expected everybody just in lock step in the same way to go the same direction of, you know, threat to democracy authority. Anim is reached amErica and we're seeing certainly a lot of that. That's ninety percent of IT. But I think there were um I think some thoughtful moments of reflection of you know a few folks like I think I don't know this guy but someone sent me his tweet eglash ous. So right ah it's something thoughtful like I in my campaign had I ten truth ten things that are true that I lay out that was of the center piece of my campaign you might remember this sent to me he had nine today but like he'd left at, he forgotten number ten was the joke that somebody sent me but .

actually read them and if they were all smart and reason you saw this yes I don't wasn't why glass at all but .

I don't say saw .

i'm a non fan and i'm willing to admit. That all nine of them were great.

Yeah, the U. S. Government .

exists for the .

enemies. ens. IT was stuff that was not too dissimilar from what you are. I might say that our vision for what I totally agree to be, I disagree, some of the stuff on there are the framing of IT said something about climate change.

Like, I just think the whole enda is is artificial, that what climate change is real, but is not a goal in itself. IT is means to the end of doing what's Better for humanity. And I thought that framing was at least like, as a framing matter, the right way to look at IT.

And so if that's evidence to say that even within a period of forty eight hours, you can at least have thoughtful ll voices on the other side who are willing to look himself the mirror, admit failure, inquired about the nature of the screw up, and may be even begin to offer some path forward. I think that actually leaves me, i'm just to know, of all the times you have been together, probably like the most hopeful mood, i've actually never been IT right now, and i'm hopeful for the future of the republican ty. I'm hopeful for the future our country, but like a weird part of me, is almost hopeful for the future of the democratic party based on even that or they're going have to go the way the harvard and nail that we talked about earlier.

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One last question. E one, you know him, I think you're known for a while here from similar worlds. Uh, tell us what you think is significance in the selection was and what is significance will be going forward?

huge. I actually haven't known him for that long, only got to know him last year. He keep your dinner. I was out while I was running for president, and we really hit off. I I like people who are extremely intelligent, and he is in the category of extreme intelligence.

He's somebody who is able to only able to, but requires himself to be doing multiple different things at the same time. And he's Better individually to each of those things because he's also doing those other things at the same time. But I think that his significance was too fold.

One is he really expanded that permission structure we are talking about earlier. For people who are elite in america, people who define their status based on the number of dollars in their bank out, which I think is probably the wrong way to look at your own state is a human being. But, you know, we all have our biases.

If the richest man in the world, in the most successful self made man in human history can publicly state his support for Donald trump, and there's nothing stopping me from doing so. If I believe that's right, do any pretty smart if this guy both can do IT from a social perspective, but also is as intelligent as he is to send rockets, that space and back. More intellect in the U.

S. Government has, you know, ever. If he can kind of do the analysis and say, the Donald mps can be the right choice for the future, the country, then, you know what? Maybe I should do some simple of thinking of my own and have the courage to arrive at the same place.

In terms of blowing out that permission structure like that was certainly what I consider to be one of my responsibility t ie. S over the last year. But the person who really blew that out barna was elon when he came out publicly indoors.

Trump, and I love the way to IT because I was clearly, he was just moved by the fact that OK maybe thinking about IT, who knows? Who knows where exactly he wasn't his journey right there. He, I talked at very points, but I don't know that he was going to come out and publicly endorsed trump in the way did.

But there was this supernatural event. I do think that I was a divine moment in american history where we averted a nature disaster, national disaster, by about two centimeters. And and it's done.

I'm doing this, his in american hero, and i'm endorsing him. I thought that was number one. Number two was unjust, the execution of the two. And this election, I mean, pensylvania was IT IT turns out down true to one regardless.

But pennsylania ia was the key that allowed us to really secure this Victory, to just go in and say, got a lot of political consultants and a lot of people in traditional republican party apparatuses who have you try to figure this stuff out and say, no, no. And i'm just actually going to figure out myself directly and understand here's low prevents ity voters. I'm going to personally go and talk to them myself.

I'm going to spend nine figures or whatever IT was in the end, and he goes at least nine figures to actually make sure that we get the job done and then get the job done, I think was was essential actually to this Victory. And so I hope he is an essential part going forward of save the country in using this Mandate to thread to pieces that federal bureaucrat acy you and I talk to about earlier. And I hope peace, you know, doesn't lose his interest in american politics for a long time to come. You and I think you've been on the side of because because you hear this subject now coming up, which actually infuriate me about, oh, what about all of a sudden now, after fourteen years of being silent on this from the left, we don't like this influence of money in politics.

Well, okay.

you got outspent three one. Exactly exactly how in the swing states, right? So so long as we have the game, and I think that this is something for our side, you know man up into as well is if you're going to play the game like you had to compete actually, and we can't just win this against the so called successful or etes or whatever. No, I actually we are Better off if we have our own cordray of superhuman heroes were able to, with their own unique skills, be the cultural leaders and business leaders or whatever, to have our own version of our a special force.

Since nobody, I mean, I don't like most political donors, I know them all and most of have creepy agendas. Or they just want to be, get their picture taken with the politician, just like a very low motive, in my view. Yeah, iran is not unique, but he's very unusual and that is only want anything yeah this really want anything. I mean.

doesn't anything is a to lose but doesn't self like .

he's not in obviously for the money yeah and there's something uniting about IT. He was not conservative. I mean, the whole trump phenomenon is, if you take three steps back unifying.

yeah I can the union more juice and brookland .

voting for Donald trump. Ah, you had muslims. And the southeast michigan voting for Donald trump is also, he had sugar cane workers, the people who cut the cane in ford, and the people who own the anchors all voting Donald. You had north georgia, you White red next, and you had black men and elana all voting for truth totally. And then above them all is iron mosque es, like just sort of this figure who's above politics.

He's for trump or something yeah but I was part of IT. IT was in some ways in some ways you could say, like know what was the caul link that he played if were in your analytical hat, I think that was huge. There's also some broader sense in which this was just .

this to happen.

Hold going to have like a false analytical hubris here by just like disease. IT was all just IT was going to have just this all part .

of the plan and an were there when they want .

even just over the last year. I mean, I and i'm not mean we would mean to commit the sign of flatting into your face. But I think one of things I like about our conversations and you know I eat a fashion fashioned myself as as having some of this as well, is just having like a little bit of an intuition of where things are going, a little bit like just like did you get a pulse of the country and and the sort of see IT. I think you have got conversations over last year where I think we were both on the same page about early on last year in like spring of twenty twenty three, being both convinced that Robin was not .

going to be the omi and in many times dark.

There are some darker ones in in, I think, sadly predicted, but were wrong about by two senators. Yes, exact, thankfully. And you know, even the idea that this can be a landslide, you could just want to feel IT right, was in the either and in some sense, like at at our at our very best, we might kind of smell IT coming, but IT was coming either way.

No, I so I think the more we remember that, that actually I actually once you see that, that's really the idea. It's not being done bias actually, it's being done through us and that's a liberating feeling. And and that since you and I or any other everyday american is united with a you know elan must to downal trump like we're all part of, I think, a higher plan.

It's been done through us. This was coming IT was gonna happen one factor or not. And you know in some ways we all just plan our little peace of a role in in playing out what was going to play at all. All I can .

improve on that. That's that's the greatest formation I ve heard of the selections of vick. Thank you very much. Good man. Great to see you.

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