Stella Assange
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Jassan has been locked away in one place or another for more than a decade. Join the sound is so despised by elements within the permanent U. S.

Government that at one point C. I direction might pm pao discussed murdering him in the equator. Ian embassy in london where he was seeking asylum.

My campaign never been charged for that which is a crime unlike to bureaucrat can't just murder people they don't like um any probably never will be charged with the crime. Virtually the entire ruling class in washington is opposed to Julian, a sage. And that's the reason that he has SAT four years now in belmarsh prison in london.

Keep me in my junius unjust, not been charged with a crime, and grate britain. And yet he's being held there. So this fall we went to bell marsh, and we actually a sound.

Why do you think you're being held as the most wanted man in amErica without ever being charged with a real crime? Here's really told us. We talked about why he is in prison.

And my first question to him was, what do you think this is actually about since you haven't accused of a crime? And he said something that really struck me and and I think I explained my life in washington is absolutely right, he said. He first became famous when wick leagues published documents in videos that the worst government had kept secret from the war in iraq and afghanistan.

They were gravely embarrassing to depending on um but that that wasn't the red line. The red line was several years later when wicky leagues published information about surveilLance by the CIA and so I asked him directly you were wear of anyone being harmed or killed on the basis of of information public SHE said, of course not. And and he said, IT in a sincere way, like, by the way, I think if people were killed because of his publishing, because the stories that he put online, he would feel bad about IT.

I mean, he he seems a humane person he went to, he was held information at see a because he didn't want to get people hurt. He famously published the contents of hercules email count. I asked him, when you publish these emails, did you realize how powerful Hillary clinton was with a conversation about that? And I said, looking back you, do you regret doing that? He goes, honestly, was fun.

You'll notice IT join the sung was not in that clip. That was a recap of our conversation when dinos ge. And the reason we did that was they wouldn't low us to interview him on camera so earlier.

They holding him, they hope, until he dies in a maxim security prison. But they're also preventing him from telling his own story to the world. All of this is a crime. Every person running for present, the eight states should be forced to answer the question, will you part in enjoy the on, if ever, once up on american soil? So if our known has been forced to answer that question, we hope that will change.

The woman you saw in the clip is during a sanchez wife, Stella SHE has been uh his greatest advocate uh, in the free world and he is now leading the effort to stop his extradition to the united states for huge wind up in a supermax person never be heard from again until he dies. He is a layer human rights activism were unable to have her join us now still IT some. Thank you so much for coming on.

Can you give us an update? Because I know this is taking place right now. It's in progress currently. What the status of this extradition hearing is?

Well, look, we've just been in court for two days and this decision could be the final one. Uh, we didn't know when we were coming into IT yesterday whether we would have a decision today. And if the U.

K. Decides in favor of the U. S, then I will put Julian on a plane to the U.

S. I mean, that is how imminent. So really it's it's um it's a very, very high risk moment for jilin.

And what happened during uh, these two days is that a the the two judges said that they would withhold their their decision until, well, they haven't set a date but at least a week and so we don't know what will happen next. This IT remains the case that if he loses this round, then that's IT in the U K. There's no further possibility for appeal.

Um he can try to go to the european of human rights but last year, uh only one only one application to the european court of human rights to stop an extradition or deportation was granted out of sixty three applications. So it's really just in extremely rare cases. Of course, we say this is one of them, this is one where there would be irreparable harm and of course the eu.

Pean court of human rights, uh, should stop an extradition if if the U. K. Finds against him but it's not a given so uh, Julian could be on U. S. Soil within a matter of weeks that still the case.

I'm confused by the role of the U. K. In this as far as I understand and he has never been charged with a crime in the united kingdom um and yet the U.

K. Government is holding him, holding a journalist without charging him. I mean, this is what we accused russia and in north korea of doing. Why are british politicians degrading their own system in their history? On behalf of the nine states government, I feel like I missing something here.

Well, this is the, this is the default state of affairs. The U. K. Use itself as a lapdog. I mean, IT was obvious in court.

At one point, one of the judges asked the us, uh, well, if if a the your argument is that if the home secretary sees that there's that the U. S. Issued this extradition request and that it's wrong on the face of IT that he wouldn't be able to do anything and and the U.

S. Lawyers said, yeah, that's precisely right. Completely lopsided to the U.

S. Can do whatever he wants, basically. And that was part of their arguments in court. I mean, not to get too, too much into the weeds of the court proceedings, but basically what they were saying was you have to take these statements of these prosecutors at face value. You do you don't want offend um the united states are um you would be implying that the prosecutors were lying um and of course, uh that would never be the case. So uh, they were trying to convince the court that that they should just take IT all face value and of course, inside the court room it's like they're running uh, two parallel cases. I mean, where we're running, uh, the case the the true reality, which is that jillions, the journalist that that exposed the wrong doing of the country is trying to exert ite him and the us is you know just trying to uh attack juin with all sorts of nonsense. The UK is uh willing participant of course his his imprisonment is a has gone for so long he's been know in belmarsh high security prison for almost five years but before that in the embassy in the ecuadoran embassy, the heart of london and during this time uh when he was in the embassy IT was surrounded by by british police.

They were spending something like um millions and millions I think he was five million pounds a year on surrounding the embassy and he was not charged with a crime at the time and he was a show of force and of course IT was a show of force under half by the bridge police but to show uh the united states that that they were you know that they were they were showing their their religion basically and that's how we've had this this low lessons for over a decade to hang Julian and to kind of send A A single and his his imprisonment in belmarsh, know is part of a game that they play that the us. Says, well, the U. K.

Is keeping him. It's not really us. He's not in the u on U.

S. Soil and the U. K. Goes well as not really just because this is A U. S. Extradition request and he's been there for almost five years until they play this game and they you know he, he, he, he's no one's responsibility and IT, it's just it's a game that they've been playing for years and youth.

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but you follow american politics was is surprising to that. My pm peal h, the neocon former C, A director who plotted to murder your husband who do not in charge of anything in U. S.

At that point that he was allowed to continue to be prominent in the united. He went for president, uh, after that. And no one in the american media have said anything about IT, really, with a few exceptions, but no one not even mention that you try to murder your husband. What did you think of that?

Well I think the sea is a is a ROE organization that everyone on every level of the U S A politics is is terrified of um and they are trained to assessing ate. They are trained to um to fabricate information and placed in the media and a conduct propaganda warfare and um to overthrow you know governments and so on um and you know not just abroad IT seems that there is a credible uh case that that they're done so domestically too. I mean, looking at this objectively, think, well, what on earth is this you know there's a whole uh uh feel about about you know the U S. Democracy and so on um and the C I A is is an agency that has not caused all sorts of trouble for many countries around the world, but also domestically. Uh they are a force for destabilization and compromise um and you know my pump paws ability to um you know move around washington without consequence I don't think is because of his his um I don't know attractiveness uh to to the washington circles but rather uh he's seen as a dangerous person um but you know he tried to run for president and that didn't go very well and he wrote a book and no one bought IT except for his packer whatever uh so there's that um but yeah he he's a dangerous individual and um even within the C I A I mean we know the story about Julian and the and the murder plot because people within his organization said that he had lost the plot that that he had become obsessed with Julian um that he wanted to kill Julian and and that he was discussing you know in the White house and so on so that means that there was internal internal disagreement about about his his obsession um and that's that's a sign of hope.

Of course, within these organza, there's always a you know different types of people with with different levels of integrity and and commitment to the constitution and so on and the fact that many of them then spoke to these um uh in investigative journalists and uh expose the crazy compel a murder plot is you know commendable and and um i'm i'm personally very very thankful to them that they said something um not not uh not just because of uh the fact that is we've been able to introduce IT in court but because um IT shows that that IT goes against you very basic uh rules of of integrity and um that that this obsession with Julian that pompeo had is part of like a serious collapse even within the CIA that occurred during this time.

Yeah he is a dangerous person. He should be in prison um and it's just striking that so few journalists ask him about that um none so first I know um so tell me, if your husband is extradited to the united states, what do you think there's not a chance to receive a presidential.

Any any president who looks at this case and understands how IT is a danger um to the the future of the U S. Um not just the constitution but the political culture that their husband in the united states has been built on openness and you know a viBrant um culture of of opposition to centralize power yes, all of that will go out the window at this case.

So any president who actually values these traditional um constitutional protections should uh free Julian in whatever in whatever um form that takes. If it's a pardon then you know I welcome and I Frankly I don't care how he's freed. He just needs to be freed uh the the corruption and the lawlessness around jill's case uh, it's politically motivated. It's it's rock into the core um all of that is self evident and whatever happened as long as jillions free um you know everything else is secondary as far as i'm concerned in in my .

last question how is he doing to the extent you can characterize IT physically and psychologically.

What he's not doing well. He wasn't even uh, attending these hearings and and this is the decisive hearing for juana. As I said, if he if he loses this round and we don't know yet if he's lost um then he'll be put on a plane to the united ted states unless we can prevent IT some some other way but he wasn't even attending, not even in person, not even over video link.

He was able to call his lawyers during the hearing. So he was following what was happening in court, uh, but if he hadn't been kept in belmarsh high security prison uh during the past five years, he wouldn't be in the state of of determination and decline. He would of course have attended his own hearing um especially one like this and I think it's it's should be a wake up call um that Julian's life is at risk that every day he spent in prison as a day that his health determinate I mean five years inside that prison many people don't survive IT.

There have been many people in belmarsh committed suicide during this time including a friend of Julians who was um also inside the who he met in the prisoner and who became a friend. And you know it's it's a harsh environment and that he's under enormous pressure and he he's he knows that the united states um is the country is lauded his assassination. So like the stakes, the stakes could not be higher.

Uh, but he knows there's a lot of support out there. Uh, he knows i'm doing the interview tucher and he knows there's a lot of support. So that is also um something that keeps him a float. He's a fighter and I think um you know I think worlds waking up. I've seen a lot of support actually I ve ve seen a lot of attention this time around the process. I think starting to realize what the implications are and how serious this is and that it's not just about jilin that it's actually threatening the press ability to do its job in a very, very uh real way, especially the press that does the most important work the one that makes those in power um feel uncomfortable and worried about their future careers and and .

freedom yeah not many of those left, but but some stell son, thank you so much for taking this time in god speed.