Rod Blagojevich: Kamala’s Corruption, & the Real Cause of the Democrat Party’s Spiral Into Insanity
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I say this is a long way from being inmate number four, zero, eight and nine, two, four, two, four.

Well, I must say your prison .

story. I heard a lot of obama. He started the whole thing because you send someone to me to make a political deal for the senator and with trump OK and in the go in most of its about a government prison with cyp and bloods ganger disciples scene a car tel rug deters who look up to l chap like my daughters look up to Taylor or swift t murderer were in there for my first three years. I look at six foot by a foot prison cell. Far cry from the thousand square for governors .

may well it's incredible. But what's incredible to me was the fact that you survived IT mentally, not just the intact, but stronger. And I just find that, I mean, if you'd killed ten people, it's not even about, I think you've got screwed.

Thank you. If you hadn't got screwed, I would still be in all of your toughness, a emotional, spiritual toughness, to come out positive, focused, not bitter. A man that's remarkable .

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If three years in that six foot by foot prison sell, you know, in a higher prison where they were squeeze me, you know, with the game barriers, murders, bank ribs, pedophiles, uh, transgender people who were half woman, half man funded by you the time you call mn a woman, although tree in the shoe solitary c can find that take a way a good time. So I know what it's like to live in a society that's imposing what you get even say, you know, having been there for that time, but a mart point and they're basically .

trying to turn the country into an open area prison. What they control, have language.

your thought, yes, well said. They up love that open love, you know and you know you get those moments when you you find yourself and deep despair and you feel like there's no chance the system is sorry. You can get just as you can even get mercy because you have fought back.

No one even said I took a penny. IT was all politics request for campaigns ribulose could procure. We, the lions were, tried me twice. And h then you put your faith in the court, and then, you know, they can apple this sale, the senate, because if they allow that standard, government shuts down. Because that's all horses, ating.

And I said they call the newly, so they eventually reversed that but i'm known for this um the other ones were three fundraising request made by third parties, not even by me and they knew not to make any promises or threats and that they criminalized that by using a standard that the supreme court said wasn't the law and IT was White washed by the the apparent to protect them. And you know, you get those moments, but then you say yourself, you you know about you and you more. It's about your daughters.

There were little girls when I love home and your wife, you gotta be strong for them. And as long you have purpose in life, you can survive anything. And Richard Frankl wrote that book, message for mining, hold cost survivor.

I mean, million times worth anything we want through. But this point was the last of the human freedoms, is our freedom to choose our own attitude in any given set of circumstance. Ces was very helpful, and I got to tell, and this is not belong in my heart right now.

Yeah, yeah. The bible. I'm so alone in the beginning, and I reached for that bible in a way I never did before.

IT wasn't going to bother with the genesis is, or levity, kids to do, to want to be yet come up, and who's be getting who? Because I would always slow me down. When I tried to read a the real world, I went, write the right, the sounds and get inspiration.

And they've moved down in what I say and era mia. Then I went to the gospel, paul, of course. And well, all of them is .

begging in prison terms.

exactly .

right? He sure did.

And I just gave me strength and and dream closer to listeners. Real and in some respects are not saying IT was good, but the idea of moment over the years where I would actually feel, you know, some sort of real unique connection to god, and I was somewhat like what souls, the needs and had written when he was in siberia, and he talked about, he has said something like, thank you, prison, for what you did for me because h but for what you did, I would not feel as close to god as I do now.

But just such a remarkable perspective, such a non american perspective. Thank you for prison.

Yeah, that's really sad. Yeah, that's really rude. I'm not quite go that far.

but I think what you're saying is that suffering turn you into a different man and a Better man yeah.

I think yes. And I think a greater appreciation for the things that really matter most in life, like the people in your life that you love, and the appreciation for the simple things that maybe you a little a bit less aware of because you are so busy, the race of life to get here, right?

No, iphone must have been nice.

There was no iphone in the world at that time when I left home, when I got home eight years later. What is this thing right? changes.

And that's another thing, is humbling. Is that okay? If I keep talking, I hope you will. Yeah, it's like, ain't so good, ain't so great. Man around, man in the .

end of all graves go and visited that see on everybody y's refrigerated. Oh, your party changed very much. How what did you notice when you go back?

Um well, I noticed this whole new thing called workers and cancel culture, which I was unaware of before I left. Um I noticed the intolerance of the far left of the democrats party. I noticed that my daughters, my little girls, grew up and became vegans. Not that there you far laugh, but that was weird. I'm sure I think .

that I not again, in what if you you you know on the other, let's like to fear of every father your girls be confidence, because IT feels like IT represent something else.

but has nothing to do a diet. It's the day, you know, they feel like it's stronger. He need to you know kill in the animal and it's a very sweet kind thing on their point of um and then you know I came home to you know working class in neighboring in chicago.

I mean we a nice neighborhood um where the local democrats party began to turn socialist you know the local city council people call the mulder n in chicago um I think two thousand nineteen my sist law was the autumn our or SHE had inhered that see from her father been there for a long， long time yeah and SHE got beat by a socialist, lost by twelve votes, by a socialist. That was like shocking to me. And then some of the other long standing members of the city council were defeated by socialism. And so suddenly that was this new realization that the democrat party.

the great level, was realized .

where they were, rivers and number or tax increase in chicago, the matter get brand. And john just announce that. As I read that this morning, I was thinking, driving here is a wonderful, we have any rest of getting car ject appear and dial main, right? Because chicago, you think about those things funny.

I mean, it's you know, people have all these ideologies and i'm this or I am that I believe you hear my my world view but on someone, what's kind of about do you make the town, the state, the country Better to live in or not? And you're saying that the people of chicago, chicago, did not improve life.

Now theyve made IT more unsafe. They're unwilling to have any kind of open in mind the discussion about the fact that the schools have been fAiling for generations, and most of the because they are suffering of the black kids and talked the big day of the people, but they want even give a black mother a choice for a chance that maybe trying other school because the public schools are so locked in to what the teachers unions want. And i'm not here to say that I wasn't exactly you know .

part of the democrats party and the unions and the teas. So interesting and you came out so well. That's why it's worth asking about this because you you've seen the whole scope a bit that's right from the daily years .

to present that's right and know the democrat party that I was in, the party of the second mayor daily, the party the first mayor daily um practical, practical governance, just make people's lives Better.

The best snow ying in the united states, the chicago got play before the suburbs, and I saw IT was amazing.

Yes, that's right. And not to stuck on ideology. But there were certain values that were fundamental to traditional democrats.

Were, were they love of country or faith, family love of country. And this democracy is none of those three. And there isn't assault on faith in amErica by these democrats, by the morrel's democrats. And is something that has grown over the last couple of a decade, something I saw when I was a democratic member of congress. I hope I don't turn your listeners off, but I supported poli to be yeah, when I was there I saw even the beginnings of that when they were trying to take god out of the, you know, the in god. We trusted .

what is a cathode irl from mayor SHE was very, I mean, choose the sun of baltimore, s mayor daily, like kind old school machine democrat, right?

That's right.

But dead SHE changed because she's .

a practical politician, and so she's gravitated towards that energy in the democrat party today, which is that far ly, far less social democrat party that was to reach america. And you say this, and i'll repeat what you say, and that is the forces and make us to try to believe things we know. They're just not true. Yes, right. And that's this dictionary democrat party.

But you saw a hostility to Christian when you were there a growing yeah.

in the light nineties I did be for pointed a while they be congressional resolutions to take god out of the um the chAmber, the house chAmber and then there was the judge in alabama, roy moah. I'm proud to say that back in the late nineties as a congressmen from the city, chicago, I supported that. Judge, why can you put the ten comments up there in this course? What's wrong with the ten of of laws value?

That's literally true. Is the findings?

yes. yeah.

So why are people so hysterical about just more and they destroy .

judge anymore? Yeah, I know a person I saw that from a far yeah deep valley I watch on that um because there's a you know there's an element in amErica and it's found a home at the democrat party that's all about science and absolutely nothing about religion. I think the part of the coalition of the democrat party, and i've been supportive of L, G, B, T, Q issues, but I think they feel threatened by judeo Christian values.

And so they've become, in many respects and tagish to those traditional values. And these are some of the practical considerations that are part of vice. A lot of these democrats have left the traditional democrats, you know, working person's view of god and to become more up to embarrass science.

And I wanted that i'm not sent as an any advantage is to be in prison for a long time. yeah. But when you get all that time and you got to kill IT, you either try to use IT constructively, a little kill you yes.

And it's good place to catch up on your reading yeah and I I used to a lot of the sermons from mart litter king. And and one of his servants was really powerful, and he talked about what science can do the good things. But it's it's god that provides science medicine.

People also created the nuclear weapons that can destroy the world. What IT is that? That's gonna guide them. Are we gonna st some people, I know how people can be. I know how wicked they can be the best.

And bridges can be correct, because I know what they did to me and to my family was shocking to me. They U. S. A journey could be so designed and corrupt and that the judge would be in at, just go along with that. And so my face, not in people.

So you were shock. I mean, obviously you are distressed to happen to you, but you were shocked that happens.

Yes, I thought they were the good. I was a coconina prosecute when I in a low level, yeah, daily. The second daily at the time was he elected coconina says a charney and he was my boss.

So his way, a pie in a traffic court, right, just started out eight hundred of a assistance, big, you know, big office, and up in the business of branch courts. And then I went into private practice. I never met him when I worked for, was only until I became an a elected official.

And then in ten short years, I became the governor. He was the mayor, still thought I worked for him, by the way. Yeah but that's a fraught relationship .

always between chicago mayor and governor anyway isn't yeah.

I think so but I think that he's practical and know these democrats you don't have programs instead that they want to pay for and you know bloated budget are not a priority and even the old school democrats, that's not a priority. It's you know jobs and yeah, you know, opportunities for people have helped in that anything.

But the point I want to make about daily was when I worked in that states of your ney's office, you know, I I learned a lot about how, you know, prosecutors Operated. They were all right, mostly good. But I imagine that the federal U. S.

Attorney who want to the Better schools, you know, I could never have a chance to be one of them, right? Grade, I was a gentleman. Y skull n law school, that these people had to be really smart, really bright, and they had to be super onest compared to the local democratic prosecutors. Yeah, many of whom, you know, had some political backing to get their jobs. And I discovered they are in my case, and you, and now I want to be generally about everybody, but they're so corrupt you can get a fair trial.

You are looking at the very top was a truly evil man. Evil and you know, White man, i'm sure, was smart, clever anyway, certainly well credential and has almost unchecked power. I mean, it's crazy that exists.

So he destroyed rather Anderson with fake law that they did to make fake law. They just make IT up. They just move lines to get the convictions. Supreme court took the case and wiseman's standard that used to destroy artha Anderson and cost all those people's jobs. Nine and northern supreme court ruled he was wrong. That wasn't a lot of, yes, we destroyed and and what does he get for the atitudes rewarded by being some big commentator on CNN? And people listen to this guy like he, he's honest.

It's discussed. So what not? What is the daily fame? I think rich daly still like, right? yes. What do they think of the modern democratic? I think so.

Build daily. Yeah, yeah. Course ran from my chicago and I was in prison. And shockingly, that is, ask in the new chicago.

And that's when Larry lightfoot was elected to the new kind of player in chicago, right? He is a big failure and defeated soundly. But the fact in the daily that would lose in chicago was another reminder that, boy, times of change.

different population, different .

demographics, diverse, racially, very strong still you know, black population, you still in the poor, bad, rough neighbor's, a big latino population, but was a city of White, working class, White, ethnic .

central.

a large polish population that's right. Um that element is gone now. You know the two, three generations they worked hard to build Better lives for themselves.

They take an advantage, like our friend phillip here, working hard to make the american dream. They moved upward out of the city and into, you know more affluent suburbs. They were the basis of the city, they sure were. And they ve been replaced by these Young, you know, Young, new generation, not very politically aware, you probably driven by the social issues more than anything else, you know, almost right, to choose those kinds of issues.

right? So theyve been replaced by affluent Whites inherit money, kids, that's right. And illegal alien.

generally speaking.

that's exactly right. right? So that's always the model is a White women and illegal alien working, intend them to destroy civilization. IT is in cities across the country that is the model um the unhappiest people and the most you know the the people with the least power who just can be used as can and father for the program with the unhappiest people so um but what do you know what the daily think of this like watching their city become .

a joke what looks I know that I know rich daily Better than build daily and I know both and then there's john daily, the Younger one and the father. I mean this is not their democratic party no and um the mayor daily who's in the eighties now he has a Christmas party every year and I can invited like the cm and he had a couple of strokes and then he hold the same Patrick state parties you can um I think he's quite evenly going to vote for trump I am sure yeah and I build daily maybe not because he sort of he was more like build a he didn't win elect the office. He was more appointed .

guy know yeah he worked for bill .

clinton so that's right and what I don't want you to meet him, but he doesn't have the same kind of testicular reality .

you got to have right now until .

not that .

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So what role did obama play? What did I mean think most people thought obama was like a sign that amErica was getting healthier healing from, you know, past trauma and all that he was a sign of hope um and then I just got super evil. But when did you realize that obama was not what he seems to be? And what world did he play in the disaster in your life?

He started the whole thing in a history. The book that i'm writing is a story that started with him on election night in two thousand and eighty. He was magical.

You know, first, black person have black. Yeah, yeah. Mom from kansas. Dad from kenya.

Like the president, i've known him sce one hundred and ninety five. We will came up together in politics, have good relationships. I was intact, ced him by guy, by the name of tony breast go.

He added the name of familiar to you, who was not nearly what the guys who been portrayed. I an business are very practical, extremely generous to obama and good obama, helpful for both of us, raising money and things like that. And when I was elected governor, he would come to me with request from obama.

And you know, a lot of IT were appointments to tie positions in state government. I was two years at a obama terms are going to the next level because I was the first democrat government elected in an annoying two thousand and two. And what is long and hard to prances last name, which was kind of cutting edge the time, because for the most part, I was elected guys with and names, I, me, you know, we at Thomas and we had at door and we had ryan before me.

the person.

well, I an did yeah times to put the governor corner in prison. That's another story. But, and then .

I like being a first .

of ten vietor, the odd ad. But I think in some respects I unite. I apologized to the american because I might have had something to do with obama success, because I think he saw that if I won and I could win down state, the rural areas deep south of the american.

I got like me from chicago, he could do IT. And with a name you can't say his name, he could do IT. And two years later he did.

He got the opportunity, get that speech in ston, which was this William Jenny's briant moment, right? O, electrify the crowd with that sport there. yeah. So was I. I turned to bb, rush the congress before I said, I, A, T.

Because obama chAllenged them in ninety um but no, I thought obama was all right, you know kind of called in personal but okay and I was happy to be helpful. But he's one of the more selfish people in politics on a one on one level. And he's not pure like the driven snow in the sense of hieratic ics from reality.

And you know, only risk is the guy who bought this lot next to obama's home. And one of the things I write about in my book is that when I was governor first, and then he broke one two thousand four, I was asked to make a fall on behalf Michelle ama. As soon as you won the senate race, he wanted a job either in north west university of chicago hospitals, two to three hundred thousand dollars year, the wife of the new senator and I was .

asked what you call in the specific I can pacific about salary.

yeah. And I think to the northwestern, we should double check this. But I think my recollection is, is good.

I think northwestern was willing to pay two hundred thousand hours to hire her. This is the wife of the new us. Senator, dera. Money for you know, medicated and medicare, things like that.

And then then they have got a Better off with research ago, which is in high park where they're from three hundred thousand and SHE that are working there. And and I call to help because you need help, people in politics and the guys what points a job or make a phone call. You couldn't get IT because of me, but I didn't have.

didn't hurt have the governor is the second obama gets selected. Mell says, I A job at one of two hospitals for .

between two and spital most hundred thousand dollars here. And so rusk a was really helpful, really helpful to obama. And and so when the investigations against me heat IT up, IT had to do with fun raising.

And tony was part of them. And I gotta say this tony suffer. He spent eight years in prison. I don't know all of those things that they said he did were even legal based on what they did me. I'm not sure they were illegal, had nothing to with my administration.

There were business matters, but obama just ran from him, did nothing to help him, and like you never knew. And yet the moment he became senator, SHE gets a three hundred thousand of your job. A little help, tiny little Better help for me with a phone call. And then they buy this matter in the can ward neighbor d which is high park chicago, beautiful old mansions were the family of Leopold in love. They lived right um for a lot.

a lot of silos in that neighbor. Od going back one hundred years.

Well, those guys, those two boys were, yeah, I was a basin of lana. Liberal america, there be. But what happened was the obama is bought this match. Now he's the new center.

The first thing they do by a match, I guess he felt like I was getting a magic because I was the government, I was I of a thousand, so they they could only afford seven hundred fifty thousand. So they they purchased the lot with the outside at the mansion on IT, but they couldn't ford the adjoining lot. So they ask, rest, go to buy a forum.

And he did. And the my understanding of the federal investigations with me, we're also connected to obama that these guys were apparently looking into that and some other things along the way. The dynamic change, obama started moving up in the presidential race. And uh, here again, I something I like to take back but I was the first government in amErica to the dorsey for president.

I get a personal relationships from millinery and is running in hilary so IT wasn't hard yeah um but um what ultimately happened was no he when he started rising the X A David who used to work for me and then went under obama, I knew what they were doing when they were for political reasons. They were, you know, influencing the media to pretty much late. Tony me up more than than than obama.

I was more tony IT up and tony was a support on a friend, and he was. And I, like tony, in spite of hearing, has happened to him. But obama knew woman loved him longer.

And town, he had done more for obama over the years, and he did for me. And ultimately, politically and in the media, the media is conveniently grs relationship to obama to give IT very little coverage. And IT was all about me and tony.

So X, A worked for you was, he's very smart now. I like him a lot. His son was an insurance for his son likes. He's great. Kid has grown up now um no, I like David a lot but he's a very practical guy and he's very ambitious politically and it's a rough tumble business and you know when his interest collide with yours.

know this one out he will exercise was .

in his interest ah and I think a lot of the political sult for that way he denies saying this but he did when when kerry had been beaten by bush in two thousand and four in the democrats all felt like kerrie was gna win fact. Kerry was getting some masion boston at night election nine. And what the guy's name is, write great speeches for ted Kennedy.

Bob, from watching, said, walked and told him so that, like, I hear the stuff from the democrat world, you know, let me be the first one to congratulate you, mr. president. right? Remember that next morning was included, right?

I knew them all very well, and from you had good qualities. You smart. But what a tody, what a professional full later of politicians is just really disgusting.

So that was a tuesday, right? Of course, once I get a phone call, about six in the evening and at home elections over David tra, right? He denies this, but IT happened.

And he said, you know, the democrats hiller's the front runner in two thousand and eight, but IT was too liberal to dislike kerry. Shuttle on, he couldn't. We're looking for a new face.

Somebody from the heart land of amErica has really called that. You need to have an open mind about thinking about running for president and chAllenging hilary in two thousand and eight. Now at that time, he had obama.

Obama was his canada for the senate. He had been as consult in obama when he was had I get great cipher you know he was but I think David wasn't quite sure that maybe amErica was ready to a like a black person. So he's in the business of being a consult and he make one to make sure he has has a horse in the race because the quint really have their people.

He had adwords in two thousand and four. And so looking for canada for president. So bills, remember that name for me in the obama, the three of us.

And he was he was probably positioning yourself to see which one of us might have the the Better chance. And he picked the right horse of actually, because obama was right. One, of course, obama's succession and my calamity, a parallel.

And so you ask me, this is a long answer to your question about this. Fifty five months ago, what obama have to do with my, my problems was election. I were there and a labor boss by the neighbor, baLance of service employees and big support of both of us came up to me.

The grand parking in chicago, beautiful weather, magical historic c night and he said, brock called me last night. He wants me to talk to about the jd. He'd like her very close from the the obama d like and if he wanted me to ask you what you would want, can I call you and come and see you and make an appointment as, of course, come you tomorrow.

IT will set something up this week. That's how to started. And then at the next day I got done running, I went, ran like eight miles that day, seven miles.

I'm just listening up and playing on my little family room floor, stretching on my back, and i'm talking to, what are my aides and I said about of sent to me, obama sent to me once to make a deal on the senate seat. What what shall we do? What we think about getting legal stuff, give me cash, anything which were illegal, political horrors, which eventually what the prem a said IT.

And then I say, and you know, I do something, you know, significant, this will be in my arbitrary. I said so much, I suggested that the we just kisses us, us and give everybody wants, but that seems like that would be political male practice. And we have a good an opportunity and opportunities do something meaningful.

And then I said, I know this is F N. golden. I'm not given enough, enough, right?

I'm known for that. And you didn't realize this was being taped.

I didn't realize IT. But let me say something to your listeners when you in chicago, politics and the ethics in that place in the way they do business and the way the fees, not wrongly, necessarily try to set people up to see with another will take a temptation. They send people learn to give you, offer your cash and stuff like that.

You'd be initially, you don't think they may be listening. IT wasn't. I had been under a federal investigation for five years.

I do IT because of the risk of stuff and some other stuff, people who who were supporters of mind and obama. I mean, I thought it's all very possible. And everything i'm talking about doing is legal.

And I was super careful because I was under such intense federal investigation at that time to make sure that anything I talked about doing, I checked my government's lawyer and lawyers, and my lawyer was on the, on I on I tape, they take my calls to this day, nine, eight percent of those types are covered up and record seal. The judge will not allow us to talk about how my lawyer was almost called three times a day is at that point, know they're common. You want to be absolutely careful that whatever you do on the senate is legal, right? And so you you thrown out all kinds of ideas.

Can you do have the safe gold, an opportunity we talked about open for a couple of days? All you try the ideas and everybody wanted IT. Everybody wanted me to point them, if you can imagine.

And you know and through their parties are suggesting deals that were political. They weren't illegal. Some had suggested money and campaign funds, which would have been illegal. And but I would talk to my lawyer, you know, three times a day, and he was advising me, in fact, one call I say something like, you know, we try or discussing a creative waiter, creative, not profit, political action committee to help support the advancement of access to healthcare, which was a big issue for me when I was governor.

And obama talking about doing obama are this is the federal level and some of the people that had put our health care plans, they get the logical Y. One underworld for obama. And so the question was, rather than there was something that that we could do to be helpful to push IT IT further analogy and do something, and could we put together a five or once three, three or five or once c four, obama gets some of these big Richard democrats who give money to him to put in our thing.

And can we, you perhaps, make the deal on the sentencing for something like this? And so I say that a lawyer, and to one of my ads, I say, I mean, how do you do a deal like that? I mean, it's gotta be legal.

Obviously, i'm on the tape saying that couple years go back at my second trial because they failed to get vick me on their crut charges, the first trial, and they're gonna play that tape against me. And I ve actually charged one of the crimes IT was that phone call and they criminalized IT. But surely i'm going to get a quitter on this.

But the jury instruction was custom tailor to fit these conversations, to tell the jury that those things were criminal, and they can convict anybody if they do that. If they decide, for example, that this conversation you can happen and they can, you know, they charges. And then they got to prove IT for a jury, and they ve got to judges, when do anything they want them to do.

All they got to do is just write A A jury instruction, twelve laman average every day. Ordinary people aren't. Lawyers aren't in politics. Just tell this is against the law and they'll make the right decision. You'll convict you of this conversation because you're toby, the judge in the prosecutors.

It's against the law. So big picture. What do you think they did this to you? The democratic establishment of this to you?

They were bush prosecutors that started IT. Here's what I think happened. So it's jewelled. That's right. And I guys so dirty .

and rot and corrupt I noted.

yeah um here's what they they came at six clock in the morning and the rest of the sitting governor, I mean, I was Roger stone years before Rogers stone, right? My little girls are sleeping, you know, going to get up shortly for school a little one at the time was five, and he was in bed with us. And I got up at six gona go run out was gonna run and running close, laid out phone ring.

And I thought I was a front. The guy says, I don't. We have worn for your rust and the agent so so I say police security all the time is the governor.

And I thought I was a front of mine. I said this lab because he's like that. When I really did, I said, come and to stay jimi o and I said to stop at around six o'clock the morning. But IT wasn't him, was really the F, B, I with a warn.

I think that they got me, head, cut me, drove me to their facility by four hours later, by ten o'clock, were good cup, and they had me, and you, a bad guy, is, is the product, the chicago politics? They want to me to CoOperate. I believe my interpretation was they wanted me to talk about obama.

I don't think they were gna go after oba at that point, first black president. But I think they want to see what and that I would here's a prison term snitch and the president elect go back in him to him and say that they probably told him that anyway, because they lie in the event I said that the house would never invoked any to hear him. I don't know either.

He isn't value anything of that sort. I can tell you i'm not, and I can love them to talk about what I discussed with politics. And then they got IT.

They change their order to shift me to another facility, the court building, and put me a small little cell. And they had me next to this really angry guy, all caught up on pcp in screaming and M. F.

And he had no clue that he was right next to the governor. You know, i'm doing push ups in there. I'm taking this is really, this is really a bad day, and this is gonna really bad.

And but maybe at some point I want able to say that while I was in the heat of the moment, I still be strong enough to do some push PS in myself. So I did push PS in there, so I can say that I did right pass. If you're going .

to join a ganging.

you need be buff. There's some true to that. yeah. Anyway, so I think then they want to obama the next day, and they did.

They interviewed him, the column three, or tools, F, B, I three or tools, every criminal defended is entitled under the constitution to have evidence that could examine ate him or her. And obama, real tues are relevant, directly relevant to my case. To this day. They won't give IT to us what obama said. And he probably contradicted with the labor boss balin office said that he had come to me then I before because IT, i'll started that way and baLance off a testified on the earth twice and two trials that he said that obama called him and they sent him over to me and you know was about talking about a political deal and obama publicly said no what he said in those FBI three or tools might contradict that I don't know if you like to the FBI you know the crime um so I think what what happened was because it's unusual you know this the new president doesn't keep the U. S.

A journey from the previous president, especially if it's the other party, of course but suddenly now they made a deal with obama will leave you you keep us here until we get him and IT wasn't until i've got me at the second trial years later that they all went on a private practice to became partners of big firms, making millions of dollars. One lady, one of them, became a judge, but is part of a big law from the read lead prosecutor, part in a big law firm. And the moment that they got their convictions against me, the second trial that where they want.

And I think the reason obama did nothing to be helpful while I am in there. And after being in prison for, well, five and have six, six and half year, I was unusually unlike hundred fifty one thousand federal inmates I had probably the only guy was able to get. This is the accurate prison, my paperwork in front of two presidents, x rod was getting my request for commutations from oba and obama's desk.

He gave him letters from, you know, my two daughters, my yang daughters, to the president obama's, his daughters are is at the same age is mine, and I don't already six and half years asking for clemency. And we recognized the politics of him and, you know, image walking out of the White house in january twenty two thousand, and teen. So we're not even gonna have to be, or someone might have a, you know, the screen shot of him live in the White house.

And we live in the big house the same time because we were connected to the case. But one day you just cut my sentence in half from fourteen years and never took a ani was request for campaign contributions and a political deal you wanted to make. right?

Just cut my sense from fourteen years to seven, which would be higher than anybody governors ever gotten from milan oil, who has been in person probably IT may be the longest actual time served of any governor. And i'll then butter person in october of two thousand and seventeen. And I should look promising in the days leading up to them, because a few days before that, he had provided IT released from prison.

Remember the F, A, L. And the potty and terrorist group that was blowing up federal bruy got released by obama a few days before i'm taken. Oh, that's a good sign for me right then.

A guy got thirty five years in prison for trees and against the united states name was broadly manning. He went, one of the prison is broadly manning, came out of prison. Chelsea manning, through the largest of the taxpayers obama got him, could hurt loose after six years or seven years.

I'm thinking i'm easy compared these two and and I had members of congress democrats to serve with uh x run asked him him to do IT and he didn't do IT and I think it's because he made a deal with them. They would basically said will leave you alone. You don't interact to get get involved in any of this and you don't help him.

That's what I think. But here's was interesting and IT shows a lot about the kind of person trump s and all through this process is long, hard years and the years of dash hopes and expectations because there was no way we can lose our appeal. These things are legal. Um then you figure then then they reverse a senate seat after in prison for three and half years and they keep my sentence.

Now I have no sentence, so I went from fourteen years to no year for a year, which was is easy, easier time to do because when you're looking, you know, you walk in a prison in march of two thousand and twelve, march fifteenth, and your exit days may two thousand twenty four, right? That's a long, hard route you'd try to break up in psychological, try to break up that time, right? You say, okay, let's get from here to the first the appeal.

We're have hopes that we can win that the the time you just know you've seen enough of the system to know you're dead, right? But you have cleaner that hope they can't upon the santacilla reverse IT. Now I have no sentence I discussed my tourney um when do we go back to recent and they got to give your sentence you go back to the same judge.

Let's this way to year. I'll just stay here. I'll keep, you know, working out, reading and just trying to grow.

And then we'll go back to this judge when I will observe IT almost five years more than just about anybody. I mean, nobody in american history other than me has served a single imprisons for a fun raising violation. And this wasn't even of violation.

But let's assume the world no one had did a single day. And my lawyer presented this to the judge. There's not a single case and letters. My little girl who grown up, they gave beautiful presentations in court, on video from colorado in prison for the resourcing, August night, two thousand and sixteen. Kay, so I go from no sentence.

Seven piece of the case was a big light to begin, was never a crime, no sale of the center, said no sentence back before the judge. I've been a well behaved and made we summer well over hundred letters from my colleagues, guys that I helped good guys. I'm criminals.

But I learned a lot of these guys are bad guys. Some are really bad. Some are pretty good guys are just, you know, gone the wrong way and get bad habits.

We simin the letters and a the real expectation that I go home, he put me back at fourteen years, and I hear my older daughter sobbing in the court room after they gave these beautiful presentations. I wash my little girls who grown, and i'm so proud of them. Look, know how sweet, nice and smart they are.

And boy, padded to a great arteries on family things. I'm thinking at this resource. Cy, but his were, god comes in in this whole miracle of how I eventually got home. And the doll prompt be the instrument. And this is part of what I read about my book.

I got to know him a little bit on celebrity apprentice, a show I never watched but after took everything away from me, and I had no income, and I was an ost governor, didn't get bridge in the business, is getting these opportunities to do this. You know, in one place that you can actually make a living when you get this, leprosy is an entertainment. Understand that pay. So yeah, I turned on a.

but a really .

bad stuff, like A H show called the only. They often me, six figures. I thought I was perfect for the role because I was such a scoundrel in the media, right? I turned IT down.

The guy's name was Dennis hot. Yeah, yeah. Nice guy.

But I couldn't. I got two little girls on on that anyway. But trump s show can call. And because he saw me on television fighting back.

And so I did celebrated on this is at the two thousand IT aisin like march two thousand and ten. My first trial is june two thousand and ten. And he was so good to me, he was so sympathetic.

He was so kind. People don't realize, at a personal level, trumps a kind heart person, very different from most politicians, and the direct opposite of a cold, selfish, completely practical obama. right? So when obama passes me by back to the sensing at the nth of aug, the judge puts me back at fourteen years.

My daughter, starting in the court room. I can see what I hear. IT hope is gone now, right? But here's our god works.

He sends me more hope because that afternoon trust, given a speech in north CarOlina and against, and he starts talking about cricket, hilary, right? And before the audience are chat and lockup, lockup, he says, and then there's this goal from another annoy. But but they just gave him fourteen again, fourteen.

He's a quiet boy. That is, is of my back. Trumps got a right, right.

And I think because I believe I know politics I think is going to beat even from a foreign person. I thought he he was gna beater because he was different. He was standing up to stuff. He wasn't back and downing typical politicians to and I thought, wow, so if obama doesn't do IT, who knows? And he was so good to me on that show what he didn't do.

Obama, the twenty, the january one month later, trumps been president for one month I get called in the case manager's office and they have a form I have to sign, its a waver, I have to if I agree to allow the White house party office to get my prison records course us or what do I sign right? I sign two things trumps looking out to wants to see what the that need was bob behaved in mid, there's a way perhaps we can send me home. And obama was never gonna do IT because they never asked for my records.

And what I did for me was that gave me hope for the next couple of years. And then after the supreme court didn't take our case, guy, bless you, my friend, mean my home is in prisoner. Watching my wife and your show on a monday in the spring of two thousand and eighteen, scream court turned me down that weekend, that monday evening you have paddy, my wife paddy, you'll never forget yeah .

and and you fantasy nothing more beautiful than A A loyal spouse .

yeah she's amazing. And SHE.

yeah. I agree with that strongly. So when you see going through everything that you did, when you see the FBI RAID moral logo in the summer of twenty twenty two.

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The bush administration started IT, but this pitcher is his own guy and call me in face chiller will close close. And there's no double my mind that what they did make the triple a level to a democrat governor. They said, we get away with this.

Let's do at the trump a republic and at the major league level. And that's exactly what this whole russian collusion bullshit was all about. And I watched from prison, and I I know all of them.

I recognize that. I know the tactics. I know how. But the stuff they say to the media, how they league stuff and how they lie, they're political Operatives. Our country is on the school, is on the threshold. I am so important, electro reasons, this might be the most important one of them.

Because if we lose this, the ability in amErica to alert our leaders without the intervention of prosecutors, realizing things that aren't cries for politics, the voters don't have any choices. Free and fair elections don't matter. It's all rid like to do in the soviet union. What a very is, say, show me the man. I show the crime exactly.

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So I mean, we have a media protected you first line out of in the bill rates, as you know, um in order to push back against the abusive power by the government. And they don't seem to be playing that role. They are signed role there, you know, there the role that duty would compel them to play. They seem to be covering for .

the people in power. Oh, man. Duty would compel them the play. Yeah, the fourth state, a free present and free society. You don't have the attitudes. K power, yeah, we're dead, right? So that's kind of what I naively thought.

But i'm sitting the back seat of the FBI vehicle handcuff behind my hands on the governor will annoy some the largest state america, right? I'm now they got me and I said, what is this about? And the guy said, the sale of the city, I said, what, first of all, you gotta be a horse, is as to think that you can get away with something like that.

I'm still, i'm going to sell obama at any president. But obama, that time was a demi's elevated the media, okay, also proficient bulls shit about how great he is. But I am going to be that stupid.

I'm going to actually try to sell his and its seat. And i'm already under intense federal investigation for brassica and some these other guys and you know the activists and politics and stuff, and try to find crimes, they can find them for five years. So now this, i'm thinking the media, and not so great, but the media is certain ly gna left them out.

A call before I get in the court would be so stupid to do something like that and the reality was they were all over IT because I was just too supersensitive to pass up its all newspapers was good for ratings so there are more instant story line than the truth about gating their responsibility to all of us citizens to keep an eye on the power. The government has no power. This hot prosecutions have all the power on checking wer not foreseen by our founding fathers.

And they divide our government. They didn't know that to be a branch out of the exactly part of the government, a an agency out of the executive branch that would grow like a cancer there, originally going after the alcove ones of the world. And that taken that power to all kinds of levels to turn IT into a political IT becomes the secret police there year ago. Yeah, this is why the work that you do talk and I mean, you're so nice to me, but i'm grateful to you for what you do and others like you are fighting for, you know, freedom and mosque guys.

which is so corrupt. I mean, and I think it's important to say I allowed what IT is.

which again is corrupt and evil.

correct? Vil, yeah. So does I mean, does trump have a in a fair election, do you think from win?

Oh yeah, if every election you wins everyone of those battlegrounds, it's another thing I want to say you're listening as they should listen to me on this sort of stuff on a fair election. One thing i've been good at in life is winning elections. I've run fourteen of them.

Seven rate were really hard, prime mary, really hard against other democrats, one against republicans for governor of the oi. Be in the first democrat to win after twenty six years. Those are really competitive races.

So i'm giving me high Marks. I'm an expert witness when to comes to politics, understanding the mood of the voters sensitive so in um I saw the crowds there. They're not that sees you.

They're there are the White people, their black people, their spanish and their asian. They're old and their Young. They're good, decent, hardworking, forgot americans, yes.

And there's more of them are that. And they're y've learned to know what's being done to them and how our country is setting the priorities that go against their interest. Now so blindly, for those who don't legally come to the united, they are not stupid.

And I believe if this election is run fairly, it's gonna be a nineteen two thousand twenty four version of nineteen and eighty when the country made us this choice between regan and Carter by the first second weekend of a october. Started shifting and going towards ragon in that are winning, you know, maybe forty nine states or something that won't happen now because the demographic amErica is different with the ball games, those battleground states. But if i'm right about this trouble, sweep all of them and might be competitive in states like Virginia, maybe a minnesota even will see um but I am very hopeful and as we going to say, cautiously .

optimistic. I seem I am my house on the proposition that trump p is more popular than commies and more people um in those seven states will vote for trumping common haris but that doesn't mean that he's going to be president. What do you think what .

actually happened? As a good question, I couldn't image what happened to two thousand and twenty. You can really talk about IT, but I have tremendous skeptic system about all of that. I was asked out to that election um about you know what you literally .

can talk about and if we talk about that, this will be taken off youtube. What do you think that is? What do you I mean, if somebody says, you know, we can talk about anything you want except this one thing.

what does that tell you? Well, you look at those FBI tapes. I want to play ninety percent of them, right? They won't. They won't. Court, even include innocence .

are the is in course .

but I think that I I think that so much I think they're such a movement for drop, right, that I think it's such a movement for against what's happening. And I think the test ticket over reality, that great courage trust showed at that moment when he got shot, yes, but elevated him to a very different place. He's no longer your typical politician, right? So I think he rappers that something that's really powerful.

And you can just see all the things they are unt folding. And here's another is why I feel very good about the selection, the public polls, whatever they are, I never relied on those. We had our polling and we had guided how we run the race with the strategy was to run and win.

And you know that the other side has appalling to and and all like who is probably good as yours. So they know what you know you're seeing, what you're seeing. And so if you wanted know how the camping are going, just watch the canada where they go, what they say, what they do and what they're running on and truck running on a message and things that he wants to do for american people.

You might disagree with those things, but is what he says is gonna do. It's about you, the people. What he saying is an sea now in the last late stages, and making these outrageous accusations and all people names whenever that would happen to me.

They won't colony anni, but as you know, you get nasty stuff thrown nature when you're ahead, you love IT because you know you're winning. Yeah right? So he's winning and if it's fair, honest, he'll win comfortably in states.

So if they come to us the day um after the election and by day, I mean morning joe and and the rest of the sick fence in the media and tell us the commonly ris turns out to be just incredibly popular, credibly popular and her compelling vision got to across the finish line with a massive margin and he got you know eighty four million votes and she's the winner. And if you disagree, you know your criminal.

Will people accept that? I would say I will not accept that. But will others accept that? Like what happens .

then in nai germany they held a club site. Hilter wanted to confirm somebody what he was doing and he was like, ninety nine percent. Yeah, that's I us in germany, right? I think that's the only way they could even remote.

But I mean, I shouldn't look. I I don't want to be an election denier or deny of anything that's true. I always knowledge what's true, period.

But I I also don't think that anyways are under the obligation to accept them at face value at their word. I think theyve kind of tried the the limits of good faith. And aren't we allowed to say, look, you say, come on, here is one great shows. The books, no doubt.

about IT. We know them to be liars. They are line through the years they they just recently they ve been lying about.

But what the cognitive capabilities of the president made out of office and you know, hi jacked in from office and put her there and you know, lying about her record, SHE didn't work in microalloying. Even they like about everything. No, we can't believe that. That's gonna really hard to believe. Why do we have electronic .

voting machines? I thought the idea what I was never against, and I never thought about IT, but I I assume that they were more efficient, that you got the results faster and that they were more accurate. And they are not more accurate.

The hand counting paper belts and they are certainly not faster. You know the resulting countries that don't have electronic voting machines are reliable and they're longer for our results are. So what is the reason that we have electronic machines?

So among the different people I write about in my book is walter hill, black guy from E. C. Lewis, l.

And eye. And when I first got to prison, he embraced me. He was, you know, you, my governor, right? And he told me about a time that we had met IT. He had lost some way, but he had been a big game. And when he told me about having met him once down in the metro theory of the illinois down southwestern annoy and he said, Lewis, I kind of remember him and he was like some legal license commissioner.

Now I don't think saying color figure and a good guy but he was wrong what he did I like already yeah he said me, was because his policies couldn't believe how in prison for what but he said me, you know, I voted for you two times right in the same loss and I said, oh, wow, thanks. Sometimes you vote for obama, nine are races, man, democrats for the black and nine times new me too, right? That's why you know.

I don't remember obama running .

for president nine times met him two thousand, two thousand and eight election and and I Frankly believe he was telling me the truth. But that's the answer to your question about those electrics machines. You know that they what gives me how to about this election is those among the way democratic present workers and obama, I know this.

We we were, you know, hi, but you can know these actors are do whatever they doing in in the polling places that are controlled by democrats, largely in inner city, in the poor neighbor. Ods um is through the what's the absence tea baLance and they gather them up and harvest them. And what happened in two thousand and twenty was that on steroids with the covet situation in the mail and deeds.

And it's among the reason why I have no, I believe, an honest skepticism about the result of that. Don't know the truth, even had a fair chance to get the court and stuff. And again, I know from my experience how the courts can, you know, be dishonest.

There's got to be so many reforms that have to happen, god winning, trump wins to clean up the justice system. And I think there has to be nobody should be unchecked. I think that's a lesson from my hard experience.

Human nature, even good people can get tempted to do the bad things and wrong things. Another reason why. Thank you, scientists, for your great intelligence and the great contributions you make. But unless we guide you through conscience, which come from god, actually you going to destroy the world. So well, answer your question.

I think that the body system is the way IT is today because of political priorities that are above and beyond what's fundamentally right for our country and what really makes me angry at my party is nothing sacred to these people anymore that they would rise the law, the justice system, to destroy trump. Because they know that if they, if they destroyed trump, not just gonna stop them from destroying our freedom. And little by little, this I know too, having lost mine, I see the steady erosion of freedom in america.

And it's so much like countries that, like my father came from after world, world to serbia, he didn't want to live in economy, this country. And you know, they saw, they know how those rights and freedoms are taken away. And he hears this, what link called the last hope on earth.

If we lose freedom here, you forget about IT all over the world. I think we're going start seeing the begin of a new dark age where tyrants and totalitarian governments are the rule and democracy dead. That's what I think .

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IT does seem, look, if common haris wins fair square. Yeah, blessings and right. Hope he fixes the country, right? He helped destroy. But I really do prevent tly hope that I will in a minute, yeah, I will support any effort to do that. But if SHE declared Victory without proving that he actually won fairly, I think IT is the duty of the rest of us, tourists that you know a lot to steal elections. That's, that's the end of democracy.

Resistance to tyrants is obedience to god. That's run out the old testament. I feel there, no doubt, about IT.

Look in this historic status, ain, where you have this wonderful studio. I me think about the patrons in america, began our country and visits the tourney from england traders. Unique place. I wasn't set the world on fire in school.

I want to not so good schools in chicago, public schools, my best, a little working people, every apartment, my father's broke, broken english, and my mom for the public transit system asking our transfers. We didn't know anybody in politics or anything. We just working people I became the government will annoy anything's is possible in this country if we lose this.

It's why everybody wants to come here, but just follow the law, right? And they are destroying the law. The idea of santi cities, i'm set in a prison watching the democrat with the century cities that was unthinkable.

I said an insurrection create against the federal government. What happened for some turn, and nine hundred and sixty one was less radical and sancy cities. We're saying that we're ignoring federal immigration. How we not breaking away from the rest of the nine states, right, has that secession. And I I don't .

get .

IT here is crazy and but again, the media just made that seem like an exercising compassion yeah here again.

Thank you for what you do and thank you for a lot of the other you know services that are out there who are providing alternative views from what the mains from media become. I mean, you guys to talk about mainstream media, you're right, they've been so corrupt.

And so corp. T at the corporate media, have you talk to obama? 哦， what's you matter you about?

What do you do wrong? No, I I think is mad is just like that. I can only hurt course.

You've live in the good life. You know, you think about obama. He's close to being a billionaire. Those obamas have monotoned like the class did their time, and they are overall office and the White house. I think about chop.

I will have robot get so rich right?

Well, I mean is you know his get that whole establishment stuff, you know overpay them for things I think got a deal like A A book that there was like sixty million doors or something in advance and I don't know what the other things he's doing, but I think there's like documentation he supposedly makes for netflix paid hundred million dollars or something.

But I think about that, I think and I know you know them in the moment, they want for them for the senate. You they the first, yeah, he wants job. yeah. There's other things about him that have been told by tony that I don't think I should say just because the boy, they are terrible of true. And I tend to believe .

they are about .

his personal behavior, about IT, about the desire to have a Better mobility and and where he was in yeah and .

I think I .

see I compare that I think about prop, who's made all let money and built IT up in business and then decided to leave that good life to go and put himself through this in this rotten, nasty business. And I can get treated like that, but they trying to literally destroy him, his family and all that worth that he created, and the jack opposition between that where he wants to serve and obama, how theyve catapulted to that level after the presidency. But just playing the inside game, being part of the establishment, it's a dramatic do you see I .

when you keep hearing these whispers, a lot of them are just like nonsense, something internet but then you do hear from democrats um I don't know if it's true but that obama would like to see his wife run after commonly Harris losses. You think they're not entrust .

any that yes, I I think that is not unlikely. I don't know if he wants to do IT though, but I doesn't know way. Um sure I can see. I can see the possibility .

how much control as obama have over the modern democratic party.

Good question. Um he's the most influential person in the democratic party today, but I would say that his influence wage as the years go by. He's not as influential now as he was four years ago or eight years ago.

You know times change, new people come in. I do think that the the socialist democrats, the A O C types are further left at obama. And that's a tiger he can hold by the tail that are of pushing him and others that way.

I know that he's comfortable doing that. The thing about him is he's got a fundamental left wing ideology but he's a lot more practical than that. He's all about just winning for himself. And you know I I think about when he ran for present in two thousand eight, he supported the border wall yeah right was practical politics at that time he was going to dish that right away um and so I I would say as time goes by, his influential win continue to win but probably four four years from now I probably be still be, god willing, trumped the president the most influence al democrat but he was .

he was pretty cold with biden is always kind of running around, pathetically bragged him at how closely was to obama everybodies. And obama is knife twice, one in two thousand sixteen supporting Hillary for domination and again this summer with, you know, leading the coup against him.

What's that is my valley? Yes, he went to hard, was probed, read, long reading. The prince is cold, hard and very macula. Look at a tough business, and I don't want to be a wonder, a complainer. And like all always me.

look what happy you're .

in a big business like that. Harry humor said, if you want to find in washington and get a dog right, a lot of shoot to that. But within the spectrum of these practical people in a business and bulshed ters and duplicitous phonies who almost embraced their hypocrisy as if it's like some sort of skill or tell that they have now there was Michael Jordan.

You know, his game got Better as he got greater, right? He became a much Better shooter. Chicago campaigns, we love Jordan, right? But Jordan wasn't is good to shooter when he first came out of college, as he became, his game got Better.

And so he embrace that he can move to left a little bit Better than he did, embraced the improvement of skills in sports. These politicians, what they do is that the truck tumors of the world, they laugh at the duplicity and the hypocras y IT. Isn't that there are being phony or fake.

They feel good because they get away with that. And the people are buying at IT, right? And at some level, including me, there's a level of that, that's part of that business.

But there is a difference between a lot of the people in politics that aren't like that, and in spite able, everybody will. The establishment been saying about truth. He is probably the least political of the people i've known in politics.

And I ve known a lot. I knew bide when use the center I was in congress. I knew bill clan.

He was actually very nice guy. That's my bill clinton and and I really liked them. right? defend.

That was a hard thing to defend. I know what are doing with an internet man. Come on. right? Anyway, obama nuisance nineteen .

ninety five. Was that one some sort of up from foreign to rol .

no of .

inaction? You do wonder? Yeah, I don't know, don't know. I think I think was he was real totally, you know, sort wonder what you talked around you. Well.

I know I ve ve been in before prison.

Is he still force in the party and less?

L, yeah, yeah. He he let Operas. He clip them.

You said that, um what if I was a choice between obama and Hillary wasn't a tough one for you. You obviously know hillery. why? Why were you eager to support her?

The reason, bill lanton one, and the reason he lost is the reason you talk about trump at the medicine square garden. Trump, like people, yeah, yeah. Class people, oh, he has contempt. People, you know, that basket of plurals, yeah.

I think he feels that way about all the people, you know, everyday people SHE just so, just so focused and guided on political animal, whatever SHE stands for a driven by focus groups and polls. SHE has not like feel for anything. I really believe that about her.

And I mean, he is seeing not a personal of a matter I miss, you know, did no surprise he didn't win, right? really? yeah.

No, not a warm person. Oh, not at all. Very cold, very cold hearted, very ambitious, very dishonors, very dishonest.

And her best friend worked for me in my administration I heard this woman I can't member name, but then he was a nice woman she's competent um but not like you ever told me anything bad about Hillary is just the dead bend around Hillary enough not a law, but enough and bill clinton too, to see a very big difference between the two people. You just naturally like lanton. I take a story.

You want to hear this very much. yeah. So i'm a congress' ninety nine.

The united states in nato, not without you an approval. I do my father's. Serbia, what russia's doing? ukraine. now. H, I know we decided obama's are from country.

forcing them to give up a part of, I thank you for bringing that up. H, so one of the worst things that this countries done a long time, and it's been completely forgotten, IT was not talked about them, right? And so I hope people aren't from earth. What you .

talking about will listen carefully. Was one thousand and ninety nine was the bulk ins and which part serbia? And basically he was more than that. The the service would accept agreement that was made in france. Rumble lay that basically said this part of your country he has to be submitted to a referendum where the muslims are numba Christian community tender and if you don't submit this to a vote, which job is was going to go for separation? Uh, the session we're going to ARM you extortion at the highest level.

But what? What was the motive there? Why would we want to get involved in the eternal affairs of serbia? I don't under. I like, why? Why would we kill all those people to achieve that result?

Do you any idea? I do. I have different ideas. I think a lot of IT has to do with, you know, the politics in the middle east and muslim having a muslims country or two in europe itself. Because before that was the warn parnia or IT was divided of three ways in the muslims have a section of the of a bazza to the east is the republic of subsequent where the serves are the creations under the west the public to historically ally very difficult places with the different .

people's getting along .

and the word can yeah that's exactly right um but I I you know I learned this about politics at the high level which is surprising to me that a lot of our foreign policy this is frightening, is driven by campaign contributions and of course, yeah I could see all of IT yeah before policy take .

about that saying yeah I mean, yes I see that .

yes but he was wonderful. The U. K. IT is a prominent albanian community in the state in new york.

How much a clinton desired and attention to support know the cause of issue that the algerian supported had something do with his local domestic politics? Tba eo said, all politics is local. The clinic are experts at that you know I don't know for sure that that was the motivation.

I think IT was might have been part of IT because he was writing for the senate um however, IT was they did IT and um I was only serving american and congress and I was a democrat. My party was doing this but most of the republicans were along with that as well because I was the established republican party of the changes course to people to and so they bob this this country my father came from, and I was on a personal levels really hard. You know, I think about my late father, and, you know, tell me something about world war two.

We, my father spent four years in a nazi prisons war camp, and then three years in a refugee camp at after the war, waiting for the us. To pass a long call that displays person's act, which, like my father, knows of others like him, with these man, red, long and hard pass last night, a chance to come to america. freedom.

My dad loved america, and he just, there was no place like IT. You can, if you work in, work hard, you can make, and if you dump, your kids can do good. Like, actually, we happened with my brother and me, but freedom is the thing.

And I, he saw then, David asked, well, was working for me then, and I would go to his office, and I went, these M, F. Is this M, F, and clinton where they come up? Serbia was an ally, the united, the united states in world war two.

Serb was an, the united states in world war one, and now violating international long bomba southern n country to support those on the other side of the war. And suppose of trying work something out the united nations. You know, that was just manding.

And I going to support this, I to support my party. So anyway, and I went, and so we're figuring out ways I could be constructive. Now i'm in american and got forbid in now at war with the country. My father came from my loyalties to the united states. And there .

was a big vote.

The was a big vote on supporting the military effort against serbia. Against my father's country was tied to twelve, two, twelve. My colleague at the time, friend Jessie Jackson, junior, voted against the war.

The black fox was against the war. The black kids go and fight these wars. I took the position I hate. This war I spoke gets before they started IT.

I was one of fifteen congressman, democrats, and another one who books s said, don't do this, you bob this country, you going to unread the theory. My love, which is a crazy guys gna kick out innocent out of their country. It's common.

They wanted IT. IT was a proactive effect by nato, knowing my loss, which would do that, and most people would suffered like they did. But then they put him on the serps right and demonized them worldwide.

But the black caucus, in many ways, the black community really understands the abuse of power more than any other community because they have ve been on the wrong end of that. They are not buying and so on. The bombing starts on the thursday as we all live from congress, they we had a two week request for spring break.

They start and i'm saturday, you know, i'm watching this. I CNN and anyway, long, long story. Should I vented the extra? And I, I, this is making me sick.

I ve got to do something. By then they had taken three us. Three s soldiers have been taken prisoner by the series. During that war, they had stumbled in the serbia, and they were taken prisoners. Nobody knew they were. The red cross wasn't allowed in malos, which had been demonize the present serbia and in many ways justified but uh worldwide and they were making them look and they were call an ethnic cleansing genocide, which is also lie. It's not good, but that's not cleaning, you know it's the nature of how things have happened in europe all over the place hold many in germans recently used from the east to the west afterward too.

A lot of the murdered. Yeah, yeah.

right. So anyway, i'm frustrated. Extra comes they take the soldiers and be because i'm the only serve. These guys for the service and government are really out to me. I don't know they are real or not.

And I see one of of our television and IT with my losy ge, a guy Better than him, a cottage bugle dub cottage. Very interesting man along the short of IT is extra at a meeting with him, I want to play a world. I want to do something.

And he says, why you try to get those soldiers out, but you can do IT by yourself, because I speak the language. Does my first language? My father, no, my mother is american born is, how do you get there? They won't let me on A A junior congressman.

I mean, i'll crush me. They won't let me go. State palm was against IT, and then I saw that river and Jesse Jackson, ramsey Clark, you know, course, right?

Where Jesse jack and wanted do what rams clerk and doni want to go visit the bombing sites, but that he had made a condition that he won't do IT unless he can see the three soldiers, the soft. I don't know Jessie at the time. He, since then, he's become a kind of a friend.

So yeah, I see the sun in our Young congressman, and I see Jessie junior, and we vote on a tuesday. We get out of their votes like eleven clock washing time. We're sitting in the chAmber example to me and him and I said, you know, hi Jesse. I saw that your dad must go to survey and see those soldiers and yeah and I said, I don't know if this is both to or not, but these guys from the government approached to me because my father came from that country and I speak the language. If I could arrange for your father to go to serbia to see those soldiers, you think he might do IT and he said he sure would like to call the river now and I I said, what is you call the robber now? And I said, you call your dad revert right.

not surprise.

and say, you know, I just know your day, you column C V interested, then let me know, and then i'll call him so moments later were at our office, he calls me up in the canada building right for floor.

And he says, I just got to registration drive columns for your all so I call the first time I ever taught the Jessie jack is like honor spring may of nineteen ninety nine and table may and I said, and if you ever taught him when the phone, he speaks very softly, it's very powerful speaker, but the privately very softly and as a revenge accidents can will go if I serve your son understand he says, I said, can I call you on a hard line you know, you're a cell phone is kind of a delicate thing i'm talking about I know that is properly because I can't run now and a voter registration drive mississip taught to me and code first time I don't think I got to go right. okay? I said, well, i'm calling you about over there and he says, understand I said, I talk to a guy in the government who says it's possible for you to go over there, understand?

I said, I said, if you're willing to do IT, he's gonna talk to the big cheese today at four o clock, understand? I said, if the answers, yes, how soon can you go and can you go? Uh, can you leave tomorrow? And he says, oh, I can. I'm here to vote registration because was a tuesday. But if you make this happen, I can go on friday and we can move on.

Most people like this, yes.

yeah. And then I said, and he says, and you pull this out, i'm taking you with me. I didn't say you, but I am making myself. Of course i'm go on with, okay, i'm put this all together. Anyway, we got to go with and he did that.

He was the the government want to Jackson and Jackson put together this interfaith coalition of religious leaders, left wing religious leaders from very diverse know cathode joshi methodist ministers um this lady who named doctor john Brown cambell from the national council churches are all part of delegation Jessie Jackson and me and so we we go I speak the language and you know they're very understandable, mistrustful of amErica because obama bombs were fAllen. Why we were there. They won't stop the bombing.

The administration kept trying to squeeze Jackson. I guess he is able to procure things. He got like a plane. He got like a commercial plane. We are appreciate this story. World airways, and we're supposed to leave on saturday and and then friday evening, I get a phone call from his aid, and he said that we got to postpone our trip because I said, why I goes, well, A C E O of ral airways call the reverence and said they got to, can't let let us have the plane till they get more insurance on IT.

Okay, so the next day my wife sees me so I thought you were serbia pattie and with baby amy was just my first was two years old and I said, now it's been delayed that something about law insurance and that he clicked he said, one insurance I said, yeah, we're flying to a wars on they don't don't want to give us a plane and so then SHE quietly caused her insurance. The insurance agent, state farm says, if my husson voluntary goes into war zone and gets killed to get his life insurance right and they checked, he got veteran said, yeah, discovered and SHE said, okay, I love you. Good luck with my right. This is maybe I don't .

know the real explanation um that would explain why we push nato to bomb serbia. But I do know that we killed a ton of Christians.

We took the deserves. They were asked that they were, I think.

the plans aware yeah so the us. But IT does seem like a lot of our interventions wind up killing Christians from the bomb ngozi, which was on a military significant place, but IT was the center of Christianity in japan. H to the war in iraq that basically ended the Christian population, iraq to syria, gaza to serbia.

Know IT seems like one thread that connects all of those is the killing of Christians by the U. S. government.

I I have and but I I I didn't know that about nag oci, but that's .

really it's interest. The church, the majority of Christians in japan of nazi and and the majority that were killed.

If you asking me to expect that I why that might be the case. I don't think it's so much a decider hurt Christians as IT is if we ve got to heard anybody will hurt the Christians and not the other groups because it's politically incorrect if we heard the yeah but they won't in the bulky or there's no doubt t about IT and I was really madding because you know I these otherwise liberal democrats who were they turned out, I think, right.

And viet, now that was wrong. The wrong war I D get out of this was the issue. And I think nixon, Frankly, did the best good into the circumstances of war started by Johnson.

But not only they were all warhawks, all these liberal democrats were war hawks and can serve. And ninety IT was sick. And to work with these people, you know.

and well, that was just A A four taste of the world to come .

wasn't IT IT really was. And, you know, so I wrote an a bed for the washing post at the time, thanks. Suggesting that they should partition cost of of them, and stopped the by me, stop the killing, the bombing of a IBM country, partition country, protect the orthodox monsters, the Christian authors monsters that are so vital in the serbian history is is his historic IT is deserves what like israel is to use.

And they had lost his battle in the fourteen thirteen hundreds against the turks. The ata works, five hundred years of a slave, and after that, at in control and the battle of coast aboo is central to the serbian h history culture. I'm american borne, and I didn't really to understand IT, but I got a much Better appreciation of IT during that war.

And so I suggested this as the bombing was going on. The american people really never understood why we were doing in IT. Clinton was losing support, and particularly with the black caucus being a guessed that leaders like Jackson speaking out against IT.

That's why he was so vital, go in there and making the deal. Look at the soldier's back, which eat successful. Got those soldier's back.

Jackson and I um what happened was that they had to um they had to justify the force so they went extremely hard and trying to demonize the serves without any kind of honest analysis of the complexities of those issues over there. And it's really going and what class the general was the one running. I'm very runi. I'm told these doing business, if that's true, that's sickly .

is he's a sickly person, a totally hello clever but not wise, a ruthless human being in so last question just to circle back where we began and that's the condition of your party. I don't think it's an overstatement to say you born the democratic party rose to you the top of IT when you see common Harris on the road campaigning with dict ine's repulsive daughter. What do you .

think then in my democratic party.

the chinese, that a democrat .

thicky? That's another sickening thing. And when is the good news? Is that just shows you how politics has been relied in in amErica today.

And those traditional democrat working class of voters, everyday ordinary people I taught about him before the slum majority, including a much larger number of black people, that even the polls are reflecting yes. And latin S. I.

Trump across the country will have actually win a majority. The latino vote this election and the beauty about the latest vote, they remind me so much ground for hard working family. Most families are like to come here legally and and those illegally, you know, come go back and come back legally.

And that's what we should all follow our rules, especially when you first come here, right? Don't break into our country. And the delays have open the doors and of como hairs, all by design.

But when I think about how how that the parties have changed, those corporate country club were mongering list chai, dick chini, mid romney republicans. I have a lot more common with the left wing kala herz wing in the democrat party. The traditional working class daily type democrats, giant of kandy democrats, robber canady democrats, have with them, and they're not part of this new coalition.

Trumps building in this new republican party is very exciting. I sell these history books that I have here, and my sweating and history, and I head eight yere's read a lot of IT, right? Is we're going through a historic political realignment very different than this new republican party is the party of the little guy truly believe that my voters I saw, that medical square voters I saw there, they look just like my voters, you know, good people, working people, honest people, not the elites.

How they treat have been gold.

They were in loving.

Okay, I can, I can. I can improve on that going right go. It's great to see you to k.

thank you.

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