Neil Oliver: How Banks Took Over Empires, and the Truth About WWII, Brexit, & COVID
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I think IT really strange that people make unable to make the distinction between regimes and populations.

why? why?

If you're angry with the the regime, okay, but why would that automatically make you say that you hate russian hundred and forty million of them? You can dislike my ron and like french people. Why can't people make that? Why do you have to be war with an entire .

population? But I like or dislike anyone I want because i'm in adult man and i'm not a sleep, so I can have any opinion. I want .

discriminate.

It's my birth, right? Like I you can tell me who I have to like and dislike and I just i'm not going to submit to that. Last night we're talking in winter and you expressed some views, and I thought to myself, i'm meeting with a conspiracy theorist.

Well, I think if you're not going to see years by attention.

you are often described that way. Does IT does IT rattle you? Well, I was .

playing that time when I would have done, but I i've gone n through this a process in the last four years of realizing that I spent the first fifty some years of my life, a believing, entrusting a certain world view, yes, that was covered and everything in after all of that fell apart. It's like picking up thread on a on a tapestry the whole thing just fell away into.

And once once you lose all of the things that you had to taken for granted and trusted, then I suppose almost by definition, you're territory that the others who are not on the same path as you would would call conspiracy theory. But it's really just you think, well, if if I think now that they were lying to me about that and that, where are they telling me the truth about anything at all? yes.

And you you're aware that some of IT must be true, but it's a it's early yet. I've only been in in this revelatory process, the scales have only fAllen from my eyes. My naive trust I placed in in the establishment and in the institutions that I placed in the without really .

thinking about for BBC well.

I for BBC. And as much as I was doing contract work, yeah so but I was never directly employed by the british broadcasting CoOperation. I was I be brought to do a project. I would be a production company, would pitch a project, I would be the presenter that was associated with that project, and I would be paid by the day for the duration of the project. And then I couldn't be working for the bb.

saying that people watch you on.

Bb, yeah, i'm sure, i'm sure the dead at a column for the sunday times in scotland. Uh, I was the had been for a while, the present of the national trust for scotland. I was, I was at one stage up.

I was a fellow of the of the royal society of edinborough. So I was I was certainly associated with part of the the the infrastructure of the establishment. Absolutely the case. But I did olive IT. I quite a hold my hands up and say I did IT with in a naive way, without really interrogating the integrity of those institutions.

That was i'm not judging you. I've been there. I I just .

trust I just trusted IT. I've never been i've always been a political atheist, yes, struggling to votes in general election, but often, usually trying to vote for someone to to make plane that I was taking part in the democratic process.

But I never, I never had I ve never been a filled to any political party, any ideology um but I I I think I thought the the the powers that be had mine and my family's interests at heart, whether they were red or blue, of course, or whatever I thought basically they are gonna keep the lights on. They're gonna make sure food in supermarkets. They're maintain the roads.

They'll be schools open theyll be a hospital if my family needs IT a regardless. But now I just don't feel well. I now know that establishment doesn't have mine or my family's interests, art, and that's hard. It's like a grieving process, I think.

Yes, the analogy I would make with that, you know the five stages of grief that were supposed to go through, the shock, the the denial, the bargaining, know that anger, the various stages that you supposed to go through. I'm still i'm i'm probably four years in just coming to that point. We are am making peace with the fact that I it's my it's my responsibility that I didn't see the reality.

Yes, that's me. So for a wili was angry with them, and I still, I am angry with them. But but bodies are just baddies.

You know, buddies do what bodies do. My problem is that I feel it's my, for I should have seen that I should have you. And how could I .

have been so stupid? So i'd think it's really interesting that you an overwhelming amount of evidence to support what you just said. The people in charge do not have your or your family's interest at hard at all.

In fact, we're working against those interests day and night for whatever reason. I don't think any honest person can deny that at this point. Four years in why 我 come on question percentage of your friends in twenty twenty arrived the same conclusions you have arrived at and what's the difference between you and those who didn't admit what was happening？

I would see i've lost touch with everyone from before, really everyone. You know, i'm still obvious i'm still my family. That's the family into which I was born and also my my married family, my, my, my in laws.

We've all remained as as close as we ever wear. Although you know, there wear differences of opinion about what whatever, what covered was about about the products, the jobs and soon so there were difference of opinion. But IT IT didn't cause any l feeling or any any skis.

Ms, that those people are still fully, were still. Is that all very loving and close. But but work colleagues, friends are people that had known in some instances from university days, people that had work beside brother broadly have lost touch with all of them.

There's a handful of people as literally count on the fingers of one hand, the people that, as IT turns out, ended up with all of the same suspicions and have ended up everybody as conspiracist as me. But as i'm sure you would testify, well, I I don't know not i'm a prejudge your experience but those people that that that I parted company with that void has been filled. That vacuum drew into all other cast of people, in many cases, very unlikely and unexpected.

IT was very IT was treating like my wife and we would laugh about, you know, here you on the phone who you just come off the phone from? No, I would say, and IT IT would seem so bizarre and so unlikely. People, a few years ago, I never imagined I would ever have a conversation, but not any particular reason.

But I just didn't expect to be pulled into their orbit or them into mine. So I i've been through this process of of shein one carp ece, feeling very exposed, I suppose, like something that has cast like like A A, A crab without its shell until the shell hardens again. You know, a very raw nerves jungle, but know that it's forming again.

And I would say, I suppose to torture that analogy a little bit, I feel a little bit bigger, you know, feel as if I have grown because I wouldn't go back if I could press a button and make the covered debacle not have happened. I wouldn't because the what i've learned and what I feel I now understand, or or at least that which I think I now have enough wait to ask the relevant questions to Better understand. I wouldn't exchange. I was for what I am .

not so back to a shallow.

dishonest life know I did. I lost all those affiliations I had know, because of kind of television, personal, the art, when I was making soft history and archaic logy documentaries. You get invited to be patron of this, representative of that. You know, just people want affiliation with you. So, you know, I was connected to combat stress, which was A A veterans charity in I was connected to um you the the association of lightkeepers and is a big one go who is a very strange little group that people that look after the light .

goes group light out .

sleepers and and as I say, you know I had I had I had an agent and I had ah I had to call him this only times I have been the present of the national trust of the fell of our society and all of that i'm not anymore I know any of those things, any of the old distance themself cells from me, one by one dominant, ominous toppling and IT heart at the time, or the first one does like the first punch in the face. You know, you never get.

No, every punch you get there after is sore. But IT doesn't have the shock value of the of the first one. Uh and so once the the party company with the one go, yeah, yeah, yeah, I can see that coming. And it's just a it's just a process that i'm glad to be on for me, for us, my family.

i've been this is I think this is the great shorting. I mean, under this immense stand where pressure exerted on the west over the last four years, people sort of wound up on one side of the other. And it's not a clean political divide is not even a political vide.

You point out it's not left, right, you know, laboratory, whatever. But i've never figured out I thought about IT a lot. What is IT in people that compel them to move to one side of the other particular to the side you're on? You said it's unlikely people do you never thought you were talking to like what are they all have .

common a question that you know, trudy, I and and others in a small a group of of of like minded people that is the sixty four thousand dollars .

because of that .

as they used to say, what is the what's the common denominator? What's the unifying feature? I don't really know. I think it's I think in in there has been a great sorting.

I think this what happened in twenty, twenty, twenty, twenty one, the choices that we were invited to make you pick a side, are you gonna be with us or not? And a large number of people decided to be with the party, remain part of the main bars, and other people pulled back from IT. This was the great sorting of our generation.

Yes, the first big sorting that that that has been for decades. And I think in some of that, I think was simply down to people's natural, you know midler fight or flight response to threat. I think some you know people you don't know until whatever the gun fire starts with the you can predict and you think .

you're brave and you .

know people like, you know, people like Jordan Peterson know have articulated IT very well that the the culture of movies that we were all invited to watch growing up, you're invited to think in the world were two would have been with the french resistance course. You would have you. You have hidden your neighbors because the black van was outside going to take them away.

That's how people are invited to think that they would be the average. You would be the one that stands in the face of the of the of the tide and and then IT happened before people realized what happened. They had been sorted in that way.

And and I think the the really part of what's really difficult know is that there's no going back. And yet we're all still living together. We're all, all, all the people are broadly still there.

Those that jump one way, those that that jump the other. And we have to find this way to go on because we were we were invited to see some what a lot of people were prepared to do. I one of the most difficult parts of IT.

It's so silly. No, because it's really a detail. But a quite early on, when the mask mind was still very much, everyone had to wait a face mask.

And I was, I was having to go up, down to london for work. I was flying home every sunday morning, and I would be to know british airways, fly or whoever. And I wasn't wearing a face mask and under any circumstances. And I would go through the airport, which was difficile enough. Wait, if I going to ask you to pose.

why are you wearing a face mask? Would just be easier to do with everyone else in the obedience? Are you so disappear?

Well, again, I was always, I was always A A rule keeper, a law, a biter. I always, you know, i've never, i've never been a protest that i've never been an activist, anything i'm very much, you know, I just was always, I wasn't really paying attention. I was the truth of that. I just wasn't really watching what was going.

We are making architect document. Aries.

well, exactly. I things to get back to the plane. So would be awkward enough, people watching in the airport.

But then I would got the steps of the plane, the crew, the cabin crew would be masked, and they would say, you know what? Face mask? And I would say, no, i'm not wearing a face mask.

Are you exam? Some of them would see. And I I would you see the exam because in my head I was dead.

As a human being, I am definite exempt from this nonsense. So I wasn't even lying in my own head. I thought I am exam because .

no right down into the body .

of the plane and be two hundred nineteen nine people with face masks on glitter, glitter at me. And I would think it's it's, it's this close if if someone gave the signal to you, let's pen this guy down in the oil was, yeah, you could see suddenly. Ly, you can see I am actually a risky or not from the establishment necessary, not from the government in this moment.

I'm just, i'm just the because I have made myself conspicious. Yes, I have stood out from the norm and anything you'd happened in the next five minutes. And I have to do the long walk down to my see to twenty seven e or something, some middle seat I have to get into.

And sometimes people either side of me would ring the service bee, put that one, asked to be moved to get away from me. Of course they couldn't, because there was a full flight. And then I would have to sit for the own, and fifteen minutes or whatever of the flight back up to edinburgh as para.

I then go off the way, and I and then rinse, repeat. Do IT next week. Do IT next week. Do IT next week. Didn't just like, that's a silly anc door.

It's silly. Gods, totally real.

There be sudden use something, saw people and IT cautious. You could suddenly see how things happen. Question, just thought, I know how they got that to happen in germany.

In the thoughts, I know how did they got that to happen in the tear in france? And eighteen cents, I want to have to got that to happen in russia. And well, I do ask myself that anymore because you.

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solve your tax problems today, one hundred seventy eight eight eight eight eight or Z T N U S A. That's one eight hundred seven eight zero eight eight eight eight. So you said that in public, you said famously, something close to you just said, which is on now I understand how totalitarian movements, no sort, moved downward into the population. And the population buying large supports some genocide agenda that Normal people wouldn't support, but they do support IT. And you said that and you were attacked as a big get for saying that.

oh yeah, but but you must you must have been on the same. Surely you are getting the speeders don't pay .

any attention at all. I'm sure i've been called every now I don't care you know at all but I had checked out mentally um for sure but what is about why .

you know you've clearly been more um I suppose bullhead did stubbing about things and being prepared to stand in the face of things for longer than me so what's you know what's in when you were ask me, what did I think was the common what was what was the common denominator? What was uniting all of the people that that were refusing to go along with IT? But I just group .

in a different way so I just knew that, you know, the majority opinion was not always right. I always felt that, and I knew that I didn't care what people thought of me, accept the people I love just because the way I grew up. And so IT was IT was not hard for me at all to take a position that is different from everyone else is I only care about, know the people directly around me. So that's just my temperament about .

in the plate of a concept like a democracy. We talk a lot. We brought up in the west to talk about democracy and liberty and freedom and rights.

What do you what's your take on the reality of what democracy even means? No, because for me up, I I have been forced through a process of thinking what democracy even is and wondering what IT is that we had that we called ocracoke. Certainly wondering what IT is that we have know, if anything of that which we use .

our democracy, at least in my view. I mean, it's been redefined to mean democracy is a system of government in which the people in charge, whether the elected officials, the agency heads, the people who run well funded ngos when their reviews are represented, even though they may come to two percent of the population views, when those views are represented, when they are fully in charge, can do ever they want that democracy.

That's not my view of democracy. My view of democracy is much more primitive kind of the present view of democracy, which is it's a species of private property, its ownership. I am a citizen of this country, was born here, saw my parents and I therefore heavy share in this.

I'm a shareholder in the in the country like I own part of this mine actually now I own one three hundred and fifty millions of IT but it's still ownership is still a share and you can't um treat me like a slave or even your servant because I this is my place and that's I think democracy is it's almost like a temporary tal um it's a description of of the certain world view that you have about your government and your relationship that so um that's how why I feel about IT IT doesn't mean that if fifty one percent of the population want something that gets at every time we have a representative democracy, a constitutional republic, as I offered minit. But but basically, if you have a system where the people in charge don't care all about what the population seeks, we know for sure that's not democracy. What did you think I was?

As as you just said, I know in in, in a state of semi slumber. Just imagine that I was represented in the in the places of power by by the fact I was able to vote. And I know, and I now realized that voting once every four or five years is is nothing at all.

It's that's a completely meaningless transaction to me. No IT always was. I mean, I see no why I was ah got it's a general election, a Better vote for somebody. I was always very disconnected from IT, but now I partly think that that may be some of seni instinctive realisation that IT was meaningless anyway.

But I worry know about a quite a lot of people around me talk about direct democracy as as as a solution to our problems and it's always the swiss model is quoted referenda about this, that and everything, sort of everything, by having a reference m about IT. I know that having gone through the last four years, that worries me because if there had been a referendum about face masks, or lock down, or or got for bed, Mandatory jobs wedd ve go, all of them, the, the, the majority vote would have enacted all of those things. Mandatory jobs, longer, tighter, locked down at your face masks in all of the rest of IT would have been enacted by direct democracy. And her think what that the the problem you've got there is the the, the majority. You Better hope they come to your conclusion because otherwise othe wise you've just if if we take the step of thinking, the direct democracy, the way to get out of these problems, well, well, in short, I live in feet .

of democratic. Do you think they're saying that? I mean, what people leave out, i'm very there was there twice this year. Not an expert on what's one, but I know well enough to say inclusively.

Their political system works because they have a swiss population with certain attitudes that have evolved over a thousand years and um and IT works for them and they vote you know twice year and all the stuff. And the cantons have a lot of independent power, very weak central government said at but that works with swiss people. They're changing the population of the west, and particularly of europe so fast that he sort of wondered, like, what is that?

I mean, the idea that, you know, there is a thing called of britain, or a spaniard or frenchman, or portraits, people or belgians, people from licensor or whatever, that there are sort of populations in indigenous populations in these countries that have a certain national character and language and shared history, all of that is being a glittery through massive, by massive gration. It's it's on purpose. It's against the will of the populations, existing populations of those countries. And it's clearly tied to political power. I am I missing something? I mean, look, this is my view from three thousand miles away.

no. So I said of that. I think the same thing is working right here. It's literate in the united states.

but it's harder for for americans to fight back against IT because there's no mean our indigenous population, you know, the american indians who aren't even really the indigenous population, but whatever they were here before the european's arrived, they replaced to another population before them. But whatever the point is, we don't have kind of the we don't feel we have the moral standing that say the scots would have. Scotland has never or has not been a very long time and actually, but why are they doing this to scotland?

Identity, a sense of identity, personal identity of the sovereign visual. And then that that coming together to be a, know, maybe a sense of community in your tone then, and IT broadens out to national identity is problematic. But i'm cautery convince ed that just a huge centralization of power going on right now.

An anonymous, faceless cabal of people whose names we don't know, his faces we wouldn't recognize, uh, who are centralizing power. Uh, and for the first time, the technology is enabling that to be global. The people have tried in the past, you know, whatever people have have tried to be have been totally italian in the past.

But it's the technology in the in the reach A, A has never enabled a tired to control the whole world. But that is the I, O. And I think that's what we are, what we are hurtling towards.

You know, people that eat off in the true believer or in swan. No, he wrote so so effectively about how every mass movement has sought to take away people's national identity and their personal identity. So they want you to, they want you to.

They want each individual to turn their back on their parents and on their family as being, you know, you can do Better. These people, their ideas are out mode. You know, you've mess you up and you have, you'd be Better off without that influence.

And likewise, they want to cut people away from their national routes, their sense of belonging in a place, and sense that they are british or they are french. Because when you get people derection ated in that way, cut away from the roots. And the process is also about making people ashamed of their history, beat their own family history or the national history, i've noticed that there's nothing in the past but things to be ashamed of.

So you get people to disavow the past, to disavow their parents, to disavow the family, to disavow the the nation, as it's been understood. And then those people are just dotts on spreading y are just there are just flickering dots on a screen that can be put anywhere. And you have, and now you have A A global population that don't belong or feel connected to anywhere.

And so you can put them anywhere because they have no route. And that's been tried over and over again. All the great fates have done something attempted, something silly. All the great ideologies, all the issues, fascism, communism, whatever they all seek to do the to, as hofford explains, in true believer, they all apply the same tools to get people disconnected until you're just a loan individual, literally, to donor uniform and do something new. In the face of utopia, the nowhere place that is the ideal future is easier to sell people because IT doesn't actually exist.

But IT what IT means, this total destruction. I mean, I see mass immigration in europe as a form of warfare against the indian population, are being and degraded. Very obvious to me as a serial visitor to that content over fifty years. And IT gets worse every time I I go there. Yeah, but I noticed that the people who are from there, whose parents were born there, whose ancestors there are a thousand years ago, in your case, wearing like face paint and skirts with spears or whatever, is scary. Highland tribes, like none of those people, feel free to stay and say, what are you doing? Like, no, you can't flood my country with people from another place because they're not scotch, and I am and you're wrecking in my country I can that's not racist.

That's just obvious. It's I am is also important to remember all the time that these people are being upgraded and moved in in their tune as well. Agree, all everyone.

And so you know so what what happens is, yes, people, indigenous populations are being flooded by people from elsewhere. But those people have been up rooted yeah by the you, by the same, by the same forces of chaos and disruption. You know, the west has done god awful things to one country of the middle east, stand elsewhere, one after another, african countries.

And those people are are, are cut, have been cut away from the roots, and they're on the move as well. So if everyone's victim in this, everyone, and where people turn up in large numbers where the, you know, from a from an athlete and cultural inheritance point, if you don't belong, but it's also not their fault, you know their their ponds on the board as well. And of course, what happens is that the the the people, you know, the resident, the combined population, feel threatened by the arrival of the you, and they get angry with the incoming ce, when really we should all link up, everyone sh'd link on and see who did this come down. Everyone, just let's sort out exactly how this .

has happened to why are you?

why? Who's moved you here? know. So it's import because that you fall you fall so readily into the day.

but you have their conversation in scarlet specifically.

It's very difficult because, of course, everything in any kind of descent, any kind of of raising a voice in that way brings out the same predictable tools from the toolbox. So you get you just get caught you know a goal you have been described as antisymmetrized one reason and another have been described as about supremest for one reason and another. I've had all the labels and you know you said right at the beginning, um you know known as a conspiracy fears there are almost badge gees of honor.

If you have if you're not being tarred with those brushes and you're not you're not doing your bet because if you you can eat immediate that old line about you know that you're over the target when you're taking flag, if you are being, if you've got to go, if you've got nothing Better than to call your antisemitic, quite supreme es, whatever, then you think I must be, I must between something right? Because that's just the same old box of cluster blunt tools that IT brought out to shut down anyone who's actually asking important pattern questions. But we're not going to answer them because we're not going to give them the answer because answer what to expose us the bodies even further. So let's let's just dismiss them .

as doesn't work in scotland, in the U. K.

Well, I think as I see, because many people are are are now finding that it's a badge of honor to be. No, i've i've been a peach, an apologist stuff like that when flung at me. I've been all sorts of things just because of, i've said, you know what, jumping into all of these stories at the moment in the in the third act was actually the expression that Jimmy already used to me when I had him.

When I showed the other week, he said, you know, everyone was invited to join the ukraine an story in the third act of pages and pages of of this, of this play before you get to the russian tanks struggling across the ukrainean border. You're coming in, lee. You've joined the cinema in the last .

in there have been a war in progress for eight .

years and I know it's you know know it's israel, gaza and everyone is invited to like that that all started on ot tober the seventh and you go, no, no, no, no so so it's all it's all obvious. It's all obvious stuff. And because those two spotlights on to places and stories and back stories that the trouble makers, original trouble makers, do not want to be confronted with, then hence shut everything and down. Censorship, labelling, you know, dismissing people is. Whatever whatever bad name they can think of.

how long do do you get to decide you didn't care what they call .

you again it's again, it's that thing about, you know, the first time you get punched at hearts but more than the pain is the shot but then the next time you get punched that yeah that's that's that again. And I suppose a around the type because I I came into all of this, I suppose, or all I was seen to come into all of this, a around covered and lock tones and vaccine for children and all of the rest of IT.

But then, as I say, once a pic that that thread, then then everything started to, then the the big tapestry all started to free and and unfair. The the next thing that came up then with ukraine, and suddenly people who had there was this loose coalition, I suppose, this fragile thing of people coming together around the covered debacle and asking the right questions and being militant enough and saying, no, there was a cohesion there. But do you create as as though the powers be right, have been rumbled on, been rumbled and cover, get less of a war, going war, wars, a great.

And then and so ukraine started a lot of the people that had been the brief IT was like, I was like, awakenings, you know that all of sex, Robert, in your movies, like people that briefly come awake, just a when the ukraine was started, the oldest went back to where they had been before, listening to the propaganda, just taking the the official line of accepting the official narrative. And so I suppose that was when I started being accused of being an an apologist for for putting a thought. I've already been A A, A, A, an aluminium tinfoil hat wing conspiracy theory antivari or no janny killer.

No, a putting apologist. Well, fair enough. I've seen the way this works.

And now that i've collected that badge, like a scope, I can put that one on my sleeve as well. No, my putin apologist. And I definitely don't. I really don't care. Because if if you're not being if you're not being accused of being a whatever label, then you know.

in the debate, I just reject the whole premise, which is that some group of people who really kind of hate you or have contempt, you at the very least can decide who your enemies are and then require you to agree with them. I've never had really strong feelings by russia. I certainly wasn't matter russia, why would I be? They never did anything to me.

But like toria newland in our state department decides what they are a main enemy, for whatever weird reason he has for deciding that. And I have to sign on to that. Like, i'm an adult man, I can decide who I like and who I don't like. I don't the whole idea of IT to get on board. Well, I don't know mabe. I don't want to like what who would go along with that? How could any adult allow some far away office holder, agency head or ng director to decide what their opinions should be with your opinions as a father, three, a married man with a job like what you have to believe, does that seem .

where to you seem? Well, IT does seem weird to me. I think people .

are frightened of White.

Well, you as as I was talking about that experience on the plane with with my with my my bear faced literally the defines of that that dicta it's extremely uncomfortable to the code to put your head up to be noticed yeah is I support you actually in answer to your earlier question about what what would be unifying uh characteristic of of people that said, no, I suppose I had already had but a long time of being recognizable to some people because of the kind of tell low level familiar celebrity whatever you some people would recognize me from television documentary and so I had grown a kind of A A harder shell about being looked at tan, you know, whispered about, noticed.

So that sticking out in that way I was already slightly familiar with where, as I think for for people who had had who had enjoyed complete anonymity and then I came to see the covered thing and not waiting a face mask or asking questions about what was what the children should shouldn't put in their bodies, it's very uncomfortable to to stand up and be noticed, to be visible. And so because because I have, but had a little bit of a little bit of a Green, a little bit a callice, a little bit hard skin about being noticed, because I had, I was a face from television, I suppose, made that a little bit less uncomfortable for me to then be spotted about, for the first time in my life, controversial issues. I'd never been controversial in my life, but at least I was slightly, slightly familiar.

What when you started to get attacked as a big get crazy person, whatever that is um how did the people you love, I had your way react?

Well, you know, two is here and treat right, treat in this room. And we've been a hundred percent together on all of IT. She's never blinked from all from all began and and so I i've always had that absolute for so many people with a split happen between partners over some of this. I can't imagine how awful that must be because it's hard enough. I can't can't imagine we've always one hundred percent together on IT and even wear in our weiter families. You know where people you to to the jobs in whatever there's never been any, never been any trouble difference, differences of opinion and people think what was the right thing to do, what was the wrong thing to do but no ranker no you know no no no shoting no nothing like um and so i've always massively thankfully i've never been more grateful in my life for uh you know for for today because the way that .

he was a big change. I mean, if you're you know if you're married to someone who's on television and who's famous for, I know his views on the vikings, everyone kind of likes you for that and all of a sudden he's being called.

you know, a White supreme that's that's a big yeah yes is but say, you just never blinked. You know, SHE didn't blink where you were back in the game of chicken. SHE just didn't blink.

SHE knew he knows me. She's no messe. I was nineteen and you, when IT comes to being called things like antisymmetrized, or racist, or massu genes or whatever whatever, repeat an apologist, he knows me. So he doesn't have wonder. He just SHE is .

smiling. You're just really.

really fortunate. Well, we also, I suppose you know, you have to think, well, we we probably you know, choose one another and take for reasons and anything, as IT turns out, you know this this being a test thing situation. This would be part of why I choose this person because, yes, one where another, I think probably knew that should be like this in a situation like this, you know.

And me for her, you know, we would just back each other up, which doesn't you very invulnerable because this whole, this whole process has absolutely in a way that's cliched. You do get confronted with what matters, you know. And we've know what I mean.

We're just we're very we've been thrust into this from really a very recognizable in ordinary lifestyle. You know, we've got a mortgage. We got you know we depend on a on a regular income to keep the wheels on the wagon like like, like everybody else, vast majority people. And and so we so we identify and have that commonality with.

But you that's why I think a lot of people, you know, right letters to me from all over the world and and they stopped me in the street to talk to me because now I I think the instinct to we realized that i'm a credential academic and i'm not an expert on this and very much just a regular person with with the same with all of the same concerns that they've got kids at school. You go all of IT the the people were, you know, we're able to were able to identify with. But when I say that are being confronted with what really matters, you think all that stuff about, you know whether you have could afford us, whatever I don't know, you know, a second home, a lucky y cars, or all of that, all likely shade stuff that people are, are encouraged to think about.

You think I know what really, what really matters is spending at twenty four hours day with somebody that backed up. And my kids are the same. You know, the kids were, they came through the hole.

They were under pressure at the time to to take jobs. You know, you want to to go the gym or you won't to go to know, build up your socialized and will build to travel. And they were rattled by that.

You know, Younger then you know their teenagers were all up and very impressionable ailment, but but we got them through that. But they didn't. You know, they didn't. They didn't. They ended up choosing not to take the, you know, take the jobs either.

And I cannot put into words how much that means to me that they didn't get polluted with that product, that everything to me never mind the fact that treating I didn't, the fact that I didn't go into them, that there's no, there's no, there's no salary you could give me. There's no, no, no, there's no bonus you could bomb me. That would that would make any difference.

Uh, so it's it's all it's all of that. And so it's been it's hard to talk about IT in many ways without you without sounding almost like you're patronizing people. But you know they they they extend to which have been reminded about what's important in life.

Uh, is worth, is worth. Oliver, you call me any name you want because I know who I am, and you know my family know who I am. And I can look at my kids in my wife in the eye and SHE in mine and think no matter what, literally no matter what happens, we we made the right call.

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Fairlington deals. Friends, wow. IT does seem like um obviously you from a different slightly different from culture then we're from here in the united states.

You it's a much smaller country is an island in the middle freezing sea and there does seem to be a greater level of conformity in the U. K. In the recently nine states.

Do you think so? Is that how IT strikes you?

IT does. I mean, it's a more obedient culture. You know you never had a wild west. You didn't have gun fights where you haven't no, since Christian energy showed up um it's A A but IT IT does seem I I am judging us where media landscape IT seems like you and Russell brand maybe there is somebody George gallo there don't seem to be many decently res describe the media oh in the U K.

right? Oh my goodness, I have to be careful with my flower language. Go crazy. Well, i'm appalled. I'm just simply appalled at the we don't have anything that passes for in the same way that we don't have any representation in parliament. We don't have any, we don't have any a representation in the mainstream media.

That was all right.

So that was another aspect of what was so unbelievable and so discomposed pulling and stressful about all of this, because in the early weeks and months of what was going on from twenty, twenty, twenty, twenty, there was a period of waiting for the, the people, the silver backs of the media world, to stand up and due what was required to be done, which was ask some questions. Don't, don't propaganda.

Don't just give us the, the, the government line and the pharmaceutical lying on all of this. Stop lying to chAllenge who so that put up incredible period of wait on every single one of them failed the test. All the, all the mainstream channels, all the big titles, you know, the telegraph, the times, the daily mail, the works, the all they all sound and and pumped IT back out again, uh, so that the media is, we don't have them.

Well, we don't have a media worth its name. And journalism in scotland, for example, had a proud prod history of journalism. And we study to be a journalist, A D. C. Thomson, you know, an iconic publishing name in in Scottish journalism, german journalism, was the cry from dendy and a proud, proud history of being ready to hold to the fire, the feet of those in authority and overnight. But either IT had either IT had slipped away, and we hadn't noticed.

Yes, exposed by covered or or IT or IT slip away as soon as the covered, the bacco started and then and then realizing you part of that process of casting around looking for the code. We can be the only people that think this is bonkers and blox. There must be other people like this.

And then that process of going online, and as you say, Russell brand, god blesses, you know, he was already, he was an established podcast. He already, he was already, they are doing other things. And when all this started, he was simply to the four asking .

things is an under statement. I mean, he was from a completely, but no instance involved.

IT was required. He was suddenly, he was there. And we were watching. We were consuming russian brands as much of IT as we could get. And we were watching you, and we were watching George gallery on the mother of ball talk shows. And, you know, these funny things, conStellations, you know, all the other stars went out in the night sky, and a few of some of these new conStellations appeared. You're looking at at you think, think god, right? We can list who can be listen to today that who may have many points of you that in other subjects, in other concerns I might not agree with, but they're certainly asking some of the right questions about this.

And you know so the new media stepped into the stepped into the free and if anyone and they are, people were surprised to see me, a guy that used to meet documentaries about stone hand and the wake less and you know and waterfalls and puple majesty and all that if they were surprised to see me suddenly ah you know, spotlight on on live television asking questions about and refusing to comply with this, that in the next thing that people were surprised to see me cast in that role, but not have as surprised as I was, or treaty words, you know, looking at me, you, how did this happen to you? How have you ended up doing this? That's a very good question.

I really don't know. But it's like the bit it's like the bit in the you're playing you know where the pilot t is dead with food poisoning in the coal pilots dead and all active and some you know, smut has to come from the back of the plane. But because nobody else is going to know, a lot of people were suddenly cast into that unlikely, into that unlikely rule and have taken the dog's abuse for having done so.

And the only crime has been to see hang high on. I've got, i've got a question before we all leap into the bess of all of this italian regime. I quietly ask a couple of questions just before we all go. And, you know, and some of the hardest criticism has come from people that you thought, or stainless ly would have been on your side.

I mean, you live in a place where they are. I really don't think the american might. We often complain about our media, which is dollon's completely stolen us.

They serve the people, empower theyll tell any lie IT doesn't matter to them at all. But I think it's much worse in the U. K. That's just my observation.

I mean, I did watch some of your guys, you know, eaten hamburgers and saying you get free. One of these, if you get your .

job was .

and dancing along side, you know, people dressed up as hypothermic needles. And I mean, I remember all of that, but so so yes, it's some. But he doesn't .

seem like any dissent is allowed in your country. For example, tell us about the Scottish hate speech law.

Oh, well, that I would say that a part of parcel of something that seems to be happening around the world in a certain kind of western country, which is to say either small countries with small populations or quite large land masses, but small population. So new canada, australia, but places like new zealand.

new sphere, english speaking world.

But then, but then something is equally sinister also happened in israel. Na hoo said, make, make my people the pet tradition of the world experiment on this year. Again, a small, a small population, with, with, with, with, A, A, with an authoritarian leader that just of how just decided to do what you wanted, but that that was true of all of them so and and yes britain.

But then scotland obviously has a devolved uh um uh administration based in edinburgh in power power to do to take a certain amount of decisions separate from westminster in london. And we've been under the the thrawl of of a of administration in embro LED by the Scottish national party for what seems like a thousand years. It's been like A S N P right IT .

doesn't seem very Scottish to me.

Well, I I first to, I put my head above the paraphrase into trouble as a, as a contrarian all the way back in twenty fourteen, actually, because that was the time of the referendum on whether or not scotland would remain part of the united kingdom or would strike as a, as a, as a separate entity.

And god, forgive me, I had kind of been keeping out of, I was just, I had my opinions, but I was keeping out relatively late in the day, coming up to the vote. I think IT was the telegraph, but one of the big broad sheet newspapers asked me, for what do you think would you write, as you know, a thousand words about what you think? And I wrote that, well, to cut long story short, that I prefer to stay part of the united kingdom.

Q, the a program from the nationalists, those who, because of I had made television like the history of scotland, and I had been seen as a certain kind of Scottish T. V presenter, I think a lot of people made the broad assumption that I was probably nationalist in my politics, which I never have been, you know, never will be. A but, but, but so I go, I go into, I go into trouble van.

And so i've been on the, i've been under attack from the S. N. P. And its little wizard ever since then.

So I have it's it's important pRobing the context of this conversation to make plain that I actually wasn't cover that fosco into trouble IT IT was the independence of referendum. And so scotland is run by by low caliber the people, low calib cacao str acy. You know, government by the worst of people.

yes. And you know, the S. N. P. Started, started out famously one of the didn't start out. But at the time of the referendum, IT was like by alex salon, who at least was a, you know, he was unable, sure footed politician and a and a good orders or um you know so we had some we had some game but subsequently it's been Nicholas stuttering and IT was Nicholas than more recently hums are use of and now he's falling on his fAllen on his own feet and he's been replaced by another one, another new, another none entity. But IT was Nicholas studien through the through the covered debo. And they just seemed to they they reveled in SHE, reveled in the power and SHE reveled in you, appearing every day to count death tools in, insist on the continuation of flocked down and cut in the six centuries of the botton of doors in in school classrooms to let your circulate in insane. She's pretty smart.

happy, well baLanced person.

I would say. No, no and no. Uh no little but anyway anyway she's gone. But um but so you have in the S N P in scotland people who are drunk with the idea of power.

You know they really, I mean the very idea that the people, a majority, put that bunch actually in control of an independent country makes my blood run cool. Because the clothing for a but this gone now the threat is gone for a generation, if not forever, but so that they're inapt, they're catastrophe. And when IT came to the the hate crime, they they just seem to go for one offensive, irritating policy after another.

The attempted a named person's bill in recent history, where they were trying to initiate between every child and the parents a named person. Now that could be a teacher, IT could be any figure, that person would have been encouraged, and the child would have been encouraged establish a relationship with that named person. If the things you don't want to talk to them and that about talk to, you could talk to this named person.

And and your parents would never need to know that those conversations had to take in place. This is the named person's bill. IT was eventually knocked back at the.

this is an attempt to destroy the family.

Yeah, well, that would sometimes be.

That was my interpretation, interpretation.

IT was supposed .

to be the government has more thorny .

home the most. The same reason for, you know, clamping down on the internet is for the safety of children, as they always say this about protecting children from this, that in the other course we know it's nothing to do with that. It's just about taking control of the internet.

The named person's, that was yes, but in in line with that idea of, if you want to lead a popular movement, you have to separate the children from their parents. You've got to put pressure on the family into the family fractures. none.

IT took the supreme court highcourt in the land to finally turn back and stop the named persons built. But I will be IT be in some draw somewhere. You you, you know still under consideration the hate crime legislation was.

So it's important you're not to comment on the S M. P. In the third act, so to speak, got a long history of this kind of behaviour.

And and when I came to the, you know, the hate crime legislation, you know, that was a pet project of homes, are you? So who was the sometimes justice minister? He always failed in every post, but, but but fell upwards.

So he was justice and failed and got promoted up to health and failed in from what is up to whatever you one inappropriate appointment after another. And the the hate crime legislation was his was very much something that that he jumped. And what was IT and IT was, well, you see this a manifestation of in canada to do has brought in similar uh is bringing in has brought similar legislation. I don't if it's called that he crime is almost the same name uh but you see all over the same thing is happening in australia. The attempt, but these would be this simple dictor al politicians to have control of the what people say in what people think humans are use of, wanted to criminalize what people are saying in the privacy of their own homes. So the idea was that if mumm and dad would have a conversation in front of the television one evening, and that said something, if the child inadvertantly repeated IT in school the next day, let's say my dad said so in so the police could come to the house hypothetically unsay to the the father, what was that you were seeing in this house last night? I've got, you know, your child, you know that that was the level over the M.

I mean, that's totally north korean. I don't think that happens in north korea. Actually.

he's gone. No.

but is he considered? I mean, he should be expelled from your country, uh, for doing that, in my opinion. But what is he considered a villain? I mean how he so evil?

Yes, yes, you would think that any rational person would respond that kind of notion in the same way. But look at the way it's happening all over. It's not just happening.

It's gotten. It's happening all over. It's part of a it's part of a pattern of behavior of a certain kind of uh, controlled leader uh, in one western country after another.

You are demonstrably working from the same script. You know it's no coincidence that all of these western um regimes in these countries are taking similar steps at the same time. They're not acting independently of one another.

They are all having these dreadful independently at the same time. Now you know this stuff is being is part of the same pattern that we saw during lockdown. We are sudden with everyone was seeing, built by Better. Everyone was not a window of opportunity. You know, everyone was saying, safe and effective, clearly centralized.

This was a pandemic of the .

unvaccinated, that solution that.

So, but what is that? What are we looking at? Who's coming up with these ideas, these talking points? What's the point of at all? Like, I don't want to be a conspiracy y nut, but I but the level of coordination suggests that there is some sort of body, a top, all of this controlling everything.

I mean, what else feels IT feels the I I think it's getting harder, harder to overlook what seems like the certainty that were on the cup of change. Yeah, a paradise change. I would say that we're being that were being healed towards feudalism in most people, for most of five thousand years of human history, most people pretty much lived in a, in certain in a foodless state. You you can describe IT anyway you like, but it's so now a very, very small group at the top, with everything, with all the castles, ownership of everything and everyone else is IT so far beneath them as to be an insect level and untreated accordingly. You know that that is what we're going .

back really up until the one thousand nine century.

IT IT was the way of IT for everyone, everywhere, the way, the way, the kind of way of life has been possible. For some of us, a relative handful in the scheme of things are blinking of an eye in in the great story of human civilization, a tiny, tiny, lucky group for a couple hundred years in the west were able to live lives of unbelievable lib opportunity, equality and aspiration.

And you know, if you, if you wanted to, you could know, get whatever you were capable of achieving for yourself. yes. And enough generations have taken that for granted that no IT IT has fAllen. And people think that, you know, food in the supermarkets lights in the dark, no police on the street that actually care about the people, rather than being in enforced for the established.

They think that there's been a misconception that somehow, just in the natural al order of things, that society works like that, and just the merest gLance at the rest of the world, that at the moment, never, never, never my five thousand years of history, we show that possibility of living the kind of lives that some of us have been able to live for a very brief period time is IT vanishingly, is impossibly unlikely what we ve had. But too many people have finally have been taking IT for granted one after another. The know, know that know those who would return us to feudalism have seen, saw the opportunity and have been and have been working towards the in populations all over the west, taking IT for granted, being tolerant, being nice, keeping their heads down in return for safety and convenience, have laid themselves open.

Their not they're not in a fit state to defend themselves against the well organized, well motivated small group that wants to return the whole thing to some sort of new feudalism. But but I mean, that's not to say it's too late. You I don't want to I don't want to be completely negative here that I do think IT, it's still possible. I think enough people have realized are realizing all the time. And I would say.

I think make me as this one thing. So are you suggesting that sounds like you are probably right, but that some kind of futures m is the natural state of man. Radically, heroically, societies are just natural?

Yes, yes, absolutely. People unsleeved no slavery is a is is a natural state or IT just is, you know, it's it's been a reality for so many, for such a large part of everyone who's ever left or died, of course, through history. But I think you know when when in twenty sixteen, you know when we had trun elected here and britain voted braxy.

Subsequent to that, we got covered, and goodness knows what all trudy said. Perhaps he wasn't alone, but he was the person that I had to see, IT SHE said. Those two things were not supposed to happen.

They were not in the script. Somebody tooth the off the ball and allowed, I figured, like donor chunk to election america. That's right. And for the population of britten by a narrow margin, but nonetheless by a majority, to leave the european union, judy said. Everything we've had sent has been a sustained punishment, beaten, yes, to put those populations back in their box.

So everything that's happened, including the evaporation of your southern border, all of that, all of that happened, has been a panicky response by that, by a narrow group that saw two things happening off script that would have great significance because IT was democratic, know that those were popular. Votes are now populism is being stamped tone all over, all over the the check the truckers reveal of the farmers protests are all across europe. All of these things are being miscasting ized by the authorities, as far rate as extremist, as know all of the same all of the same label s because they have cases the .

didn't get what they voted for I mean trump was unable to govern no a very effectively IT couldn't build all that he promised um was investigated and spied on from not the very first day and I don't think you guys got braxy vote to for right you're absolutely .

two percent I think I was fifty two yeah fifty to four percent in favor of leaving the european union. And from the moment the ink dried on that decision, uh the all of the the powers that be in the establishment, in the civil service, uh all all in across the political parties moved heaven and earth to throw that decision. And so it's been breaks in name only, bro love called IT because it's now worse. I would say that the situation for for those people that aspire to break IT, i've got less now than they had before the vote happened because we've been so comprehensively punished and and breaks has been so invitation, the very concept of has been so hold ed out that the people that wanted to, you've got less than nothing from IT because I was, because I was IT was populist. And a notice also that in the last become A.

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Well, we don't. That's why I have. I have these fundamental problems about, we certainly don't have democracy.

I wonder when democracy went away. I onder. I wonder for how long it's it's been standing.

Your guess.

I really, gosh, I mean, in my most conspirator oral moments, I think something began to happen all across the west after the second world war, clearly, really from the middle, from the middle, the war and and after the war. I think the moves, I don't know if you started then, but I think the a gear shifts.

have you been to tokyo .

o have been to oko then.

Wonder when you go to japan, if you go from onda tokyo um there's no evidence that one that the side that one actually won and the side that lost to actually lost. If you didn't know the history, you would think we're obviously japan when the war. Look at IT, obviously england lost IT. Look at england.

yes. What is that? yes. I mean, are all sorts of things are confusing. I'm not restored in I love history and fasted by history my shells are full of history books but um so I have many books. Have you run well written oh to thirteen I think it's .

friend to call you with historical well but i'm not .

an academic I don't and or do I want to be? I never really have had that is not in my nature. I'm not really anyway. So IT means that i'm prepared unperfect cly happy to to be at home to unorthodox ideas about history because I don't have any academic, because i've don't have a professor ship to defend.

Maybe that's why you can see the world clear.

I sometimes wonder if if I have a unique, a usp, you a unique selling point, I think IT may be that the things I have said over the last few years, 呃， a everyone knows the true. Yeah, it's just that for whatever reason i've said them and I ve ve had the i've had the opportunity and the platform from which to see them. And and because I am I just a regular person, seeing what every other regular person know is true. That's my so okay that's but wounded of I think that's a great that's you're qualified enough.

You're not an oxford done. You've been right about a lot of things.

basic questions about the second world war.

okay? What are they like? Clearly, something important changed in the west in one thousand.

What's very interesting to me that you know the and styling together at the beginning, yes, of course, of IT. And when poland was invaded, britain said, we will do wherever IT takes to restore freedom and democracy to the people from whom it's been denied.

stolen. And then what .

happened then over and and then you you want to go to read any coverage. Age of the same second war, war to know at the end of the second world pool and was left swallow hole by .

what they handed IT to stone.

So so the state, the stated objective, the stated objective of britten declaiming war at the time was, well, you didn't do IT. You didn't. You didn't do that.

You didn't even try in our country. It's illegal to criticize winston church. He's the greatest hero in and then and you .

look at you look at the Martinists up and yala, you know between, you know between the rose vult stand and church hill and and the fact that, uh you know, I agreements will arrive that somehow where a many people who wanted whatever you would call west, the west, they wanted to be the west. They were just allowed to be swallowed whole by the communist st. Block.

yet to the most violent to television an and history. So they handed these country, they went to war to protect the sovereign of these countries .

that they then handed. Some people were .

being chased back across, across. So what there's lying here.

So what's the so that we stated we started there because we were speculating about when they all started to go wrong. When when the slide towards, you know new if any of the end in ism is the same, you know what is fashion or communism or any these things end up piles corps, you you can get a cigarette paper between these, between any these ideologies ah it's important to be distracted by by that our national socialism or communism, whatever, they're all the same. They're good for a handful of people and their catastrophic for everybody else.

Um and so clearly, clearly something shifted up a gear in the west, in the middle, the in the during the second world war and after. And IT has been moving faster, faster ever since. And but I think there's there's been an extraordinary gamble taken now because even even people who are who are in a state of semi slumber like myself, what a way of notions like a social contract.

You know that I was that we as as as citizens um would be represent you know no taxation without representation. You know, we we would have our views represented. We would have our liberty defended a, we would be, we would be, we would be safe in peaceful countries. And in return for that, we would pay tax and we would submit to certain otherwise owner restrictions on, you can do anything, you've got to be agree to be based by consent and and so on and so on.

And in that veal case that there's no a social contract, does I quite procol there for people as a reason for people to to comply? Because there's something in IT for the liberty, aspiration, hope, all of that being protected by, uh, legislation and a constitution and all and all of that the gamble is being taken no, is that all of that is supposed to is being taken away. Everything that the people, all of the all of the inducements to be law biding, peaceful citizens is being taken away for.

And and what? What do I get? nothing. You're gonna digital.

You're going to get central bank digital currencies. You're gonna ve in fifteen minutes. Cities, you know, you're gonna. We'll tell you what to eat. Your currency will be programmable. So we will have complete moment to moment in real time control of everything you do, everything you want to do.

Now that's a heck of a gamble for for a very narrow group of people to take with billions of people because there's nothing in IT for the people, there's nothing in IT for them. And I think, I think they have fumbled to the ball. I think that's where there's hope, because not fifty percent, not fifty one percent of the people have realized that I would do something about IT.

But history shows that IT never IT never requires IT only takes five percent or ten percent of people to caught on and do something about and make the difference. And I think that the in the final moves towards this kind of new federalism, they have exposed themselves. We've gone galloping towards the finishing line too early in the wrong way, and too many people have seen IT. And I think in there somewhere is hope, and it's probably enough hope. I wonder though.

I mean, that does see two things. IT seems like they're pushing the population, not just if your country in mind, but really of most western countries, right to the point of revolution. Like how about we give you nothing and you shut up and take IT yeah and race all hope for a future for your children and grandchildren, even having children.

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it's quite a gamble to take, but the gamble is that that the the technology is evolving so quickly that IT allow them to harness, you know, this surveilLance state and various tools of violence that are so overwhelming that there's nothing the population can do, anything could do about IT you drones. And A I are going to be enough to sort of force people to accept this.

That's how I read that. It's possible. Yes, of course it's possible, but I think it's in combat upon us to be optimistic.

That's not what happens. You know think there's an absolute there's an absolute obligation is beyond the right. It's an absolute ligation to be positive. I struggle with the I think I have to I have to be yet back onto the path of richest ness by truly all the time because he is by inclination more positive than I ah but but nonetheless know I go to I lead to the dark side all the time well scots have dark souls and yes, we are.

There is it's never difficult to tell the difference routine a scots in an area of sunshine as the same goods uh but you you have to it's when we spoke early about being brought to terms, we have been made to confront what really matters. And IT is difficult to talk about IT in many ways IT IT almost makes a person blush because of things that you find yourself having to say, but know the constitution of the united states, the first amendment, this times like this, that these things are suddenly a light comes on inside them. And suddenly everyone sees them as though, for the first time, it's only because they're being threatened that people see them.

The the language, you know, the inalienable right is so important, you know that you know that you get this at school but you know the unalienable is to say that your freedom is not you're born with IT it's there is from god IT sound isn't given to you by any person and IT can't be taken from you by any person. But third most important bit of the unalienable, I only really began to contemplate in recent years, is that even if you won to surrender your freedom, you can't because it's unalienable. You are numbered with IT.

You're stop with IT. It's like your leg, you can't. It's par of you, your freedom, and it's when it's chAllenged in this way. And IT sound of freedom and people talk about freedoms is pluto is only freedom is a single thing.

And because it's inalienable able at the moment when it's being threatened, that people, none of us has any we have an obligation to defend IT. You don't get the choice if someone offers you slavery, would you be my slave? You can't because it's your available right to be free.

You can't surrounded to slavery. It's not your thing to give away. And that's that's why some of this, I suppose, had to happen. People need to see the freedom of speech being taken away by hate crime legislation, hate speech legislation or whatever.

They need these things to happen before the before you look again at what freedom is, what democracy might be, what he is to have inalienable able rights, you know. And if we can, we don't have the option to give these things up even, even if we are broken and we want to. I like these are I think these are profound variations.

What's the tipping point? What's the point at which you won't have optimism? What's the point in which no.

you can't good or good, but you can because that's me as because you you know it's not you're not allowed you're not entitled to give up because it's in the nature of unalienable rates. You even if unto death no they will you may take our lives. We'll never take our freedom.

You know the off guilty lane from brave heart that is just IT. So does nothing to be pessimistic about essential ally because the option to give up is not there. You don't get to give you up.

Do you think of totalitarians were went on?

No, no, they won't. Because because I believe I also think a lot know these about natural law. Now I I read about common law, which is become an obsession. I read about natural law and whether you're religious or not, if if you, let's say you just if you accept an intelligent universe and the natural law says an, the intelligent universe does want the best for you, unlike our regimes, in our establishments, in our power, that be the universe is there for you to be the the, the best expression of yourself and consciousness that can be, and all of that can be subverted by evil a bit t like a if you you can hold a ball under the suffers of of water for as long as you put the strength to do IT, but the ball wants to be somewhere else, because that's that's in the natural order of things.

And eventually the totalitarian ans will run out of the strength to subvert the then the way that things are supposed to be, and you can't, is difficult to put a time line on these things. You know, wouldn't say that we are gone to see the end of IT in our lifetimes. You and me and and IT might be for our children to see the end of IT.

But IT will end in the, because the natural law will reassert itself. I didn't. I didn't in another of the things that I was sleepy about in in a state of slumber about I don't really think about faith.

I've always been, uh, a personal faith. Quietly I don't go to, but I believe in a in a transcendent, intelligent entity. And I think that was brought home to me.

And the light came on in IT for me during this time as well, because so many people route to me, thousands of people wrote to me from all over the world. This game started where people, one, one woman, wrote a letter to and addressed IT to neil Oliver IT near stirling castle, stirling, scotland. And the letter came to me.

I thought, that's impressive. The postman managed to get that to me. And I put a picture over on social media and without thinking and open flood gates.

Now I had thousands of letters like these, and so people were writing to me without knowing my address. And the vast majority of the letters were about, this is a fight between good evil. This is a fight betwen writing wrong.

This is about light and dark IT was IT was that I was as fundamental as that for for most of those people that were writing to me and precisely, you know, in an upside downs. IT was becoming a way of evil in the world around me that made me think there will be, what's the opposite of evil? There must be good.

There must be good. Because I see the evil in every know. Every force has its equal opposite. yes. So there must be good. There must be god, or that you 直， there must be, because i've seen the alternative, have seen the adversity because it's it's it's stocking the land at the moment the witness is visible.

And that was you know that part of the this pretty boundary alignment that had been going through or IT really is just an awakening. I mean, that's how hard can need to tell. no. But being awakened.

something happening to others surround.

yes, yes, absolutely. More and more, more and more people are saying, and IT doesn't. You know, no, differences are never made by the majority. Not really. That's not how IT works.

You know, this, this, the crucial thing is invariably done by the one or just a few people who are right you know when you know um you know what you when you sometimes you'll sit in a dinner table with friends and family over over and you see something and the and the whole place just breaks up. Great, perfect thing. You just say something and everyone laughs.

And if you think I often most often you didn't you didn't even think of the line. You didn't compose IT. It's just there and you said IT and everyone laughs because what you said in is not just funny, is also true.

right?

You people can instantly true runs through people you like lightning, through the lightning conductor IT just IT runs through you and you feel IT. And that I think that's what's happened for a lot of people. A lot of people are able to identify very readily with what's wrong here, which is simply a an invention of natural law that the evil has is trying to set up itself.

Freedom is being taken from people from whom IT cannot be taken. But with, but with the ending of those people themselves, these fundamentals are happening. And I do genuinely hand on heart thinking of people think that, but I think IT, they know IT because it's true, it's it's true and people .

feel that say, I think you're what you're things actually right? True things are that they resonate. There's like a tuning for inside you that search to hum when you here's something that you know to be true IT almost doesn't need to be explained. So you here, you know IT, but I think there's a step from that experience to using the word god in public in in the secular west. Are you hearing that more?

IT, definitely definitely. And and I feel good about you and and I think I part of I feel good about it's because it's it's coming at me in various shades you know i'm i'm being, you know, people of Christian and an islamic faith are talking to me interior.

They mention to talk about everything, but they talk about faith and and good, evil and I heard within the within the Christian community hear from catholic and protested and and they're all saying the same thing because the the the only important that of any of those messages are the same anyway, a under all they're all, uh, again, it's the truth. So it's it's it's striking. It's trimming with me. It's second, you know, I can feel IT because it's evidently true and so I don't I don't any I don't have any calm about invoking god because, you know, pretty sure of cause the devil .

is so interestingly, everything, not everything, but a lot of things that I thought twenty years ago, we completely ridiculous. Now, I was utter ly wrong. And one of them, we were told for so long that muslims are your enemy.

And I want to say i'm not a muslim and i'm completely opposed to mass migration period. I don't care of anybody. I was against IT, but IT hasn't turned out that way.

And I have to say, you gallery, of course, russia brand IT feels like the people who hate you the most in the U. K. Are educated White liberals and IT feels like a lot of muslim immigrants are open to what you're saying. Agree with you that my impression .

as a foreigner, you yes, yes, no. I think it's it's often it's much more important just to see a person first. I know I knew you know that, but that's the thing is I don't I all always think about this information coming up me from my Christmas.

Well, in our country, I mean, it's a different experience. But after nine and eleven, and i'm not like, good, i'm not most m not gonna become muslim. I don't agree with this on, but we were told again and again, and everybody in the world I lived in seem to agree with that, that muslims is islam.

That's our enemy. I don't know if you had that experience in the U. K. We definitely had that here. And it's just interesting again.

that's that's all part of that divide.

And cause you're absolutely right, I just did not .

perceive that in time yme think about IT know you spent years in in washington, D. C.

Only thirty five, not a big deal.

Even so I I hold my hand up and see I absolutely, I grew up with absolute to out to the amErica of the good guys. I watched the west wing almost all of IT. And I thought that, you know, as long as as democrats in the west wing, you know the White hat cowboys, I don't have making sure everything's going to I, good god, god help me.

You know that I I went jay bar like world fantastic and now I think, oh, how why did I ever why did I ever think that now you were in the bail of the beast? What is IT? what? What is IT with these people? You know, these people know, i'm not going to name any names of these people that have gone in skinning, come out fat with money, with lobbying and goodness inside of trading and all of the rest of IT.

So they have got more money than crisis. And there are still there in the dotted ge, still at what drives IT. What makes these chinese the bed?

I didn't grow .

up worrying .

about money, and I can be. So I never really thought of money is a huge motivator in people's behavior because IT never was for .

most motivating these.

Clearly, money is part of that. I was just late to that understanding. We all have blind spots and failures, and that was definitely one of mine.

I just didn't I didn't see how corrupt IT was because I couldn't imagine I would never say something I I don't believe from would never do that. I would never even occur to me to do that. So um I didn't group like that.

So the idea that other people were saying things they need to be untrue for money, that, like ever I was shot IT took me decades to figure out that was going on. And you here, you say it's all about the money I was shared. You, we just have different views, different ideologies, different world views. No, a lot of IT was just about the money.

and I just did not perceive how much money.

and i've never been that that is absolutely right. First, all you know, getting out of debt. I do think this is a massive blessing.

And if you can get out of debt IT just means you're not controlled. And there is an inherent freedom in that. In debt is slavery.

We love debt. In the united states, we've a debt base society, you know, lending money interests. That's like the main thing that we do in the united states.

I think it's disgusting. I ve always thought that. Um so if you can get out that it's clearly liberation. But beyond that.

like is gonna make you happy?

No, I mean, I just lived on rich people my whole life so I know that that does not make you so .

if we accept a bit, if we accept that money is, but I must be more than that. So what is what is what is that? Because, you know, you one does end up with fewer and fewer options when IT comes to explaining what's going on. And IT just feels like, you know IT doesn't gin to feel as if in the service of some kind .

of darkness and that is in in the service of darkness, there's no kind of rational explanation for transgender ism. You know, that's just your sterilizing kids. There's no upside that could ever justify that you're doing IT for killing people as you know, the U.

S. Government has, I hate to say, IT as a patriotic american, but it's been a force for for killing for a long time. What is that? And again, there's only a spiritual answer I think to that question I don't see a national one for sure but I also think it's recognizable in a temporal um framework as hubris. It's the belief that you are god.

Do you have greater powers than any man actually posses? Greater force, greater wisdom, greater power. And that is like the oldest trap there is like that is the story of history is people, you know, convincing themselves that their more than human and, uh, and that's that's how you destroyers self in the society that .

you lead for sure. And so what happens? What is, has the has the american republic fAllen and is long gone? I mean, the second you .

allow an intel agency to murder your democratic radially elected president, as we did sixty two years ago, and then sort of ignore that had happened to be like, I don't think I slowly, what happened?

Shut up.

No, it's not if you allow unelected bureaucrats to murder the guy that the majority elected, like, just by definition, the system is not what they say. IT is obviously so. But I do think I agree with you one hundred percent and I agree with you a long departed president.

What doesn't how that IT really was the the second world word in ways that I don't understand but it's demonstrable change the nature of the country, change the relationship uh, between the population and government. Can I ask your question that I always think about? But U.

K. Specific question. So one thousand nine hundred and fourteen, the U.

K, england, britain, whatever were calling IT, you know, was uniting the world, you know and and doing, I would say, a pretty good job, not perfect job, pretty good job putting in railways in spreading Christian unity and being kind of pompous, but basically being a fairly benign colonial power. As colonial powers go, there's a war. Four years, the smartest people in the country are killed.

For no obvious reason the countries really weakened by the war unites tes becomes a permanent power in the world um by nineteen ninety so it's a huge loss for great britain I would say the first sure war again for no real reason. Twenty years later your leaders tell you've got ta do IT again for reasons that are clearly fake liberal polander then handed the stock. That's not the reason.

Obviously democracy is not the reason. And then the countries really like react and the empire collapses and IT becomes sad. It's bitterness about that.

Like why wouldn't that be the the bitter erst thing that ever happened in the history of your country? Or people still do they talk about that? They brought us into two words, just destroyed us. All these cool things that we had, this great society that we had, we made the.

I think this is, I think there is A, I think there is a uh, a, uh, a lingering sadness.

But when an anger like your leader said there was no reason to join either war, well.

the the people obviously be in my lifetime, your lifetime, the veterans of the first world war, they all going know the veterans of the second world anger species that they are. No, they are almost all on the way out. And so and so the and once, once, once the people to whom happened are gone, that that takes something with of them. You only, we're only angry with what happened at one remove, in a sense, because the people who really suffer are gone. But but I hear what you're saying.

but I was born twenty five .

years after the one. I mean, you mean you could say that britain only became a second rate power after suit, you know, which wasn't till fifty, fifty, fifty. So so you could say that we were for for whatever had happened to us.

Got to see you the first world world. And then the second war IT was IT was that I was that shit in ensures that humiliation know with a biometry that britain became a only gain yeah. But IT was dead. IT was dead after I think you do make me think about something that's not unconnected.

I do think that what's happening the moment, we will not understand what is actually happened here, maybe in fifty years time, people look, but maybe one hundred years time, in the same way that I would say, you know, someone who went through the first world war, even if they were experiencing, even if they were in the western front or whatever, with the bullets flying in, seeing all the of the horror of IT, you couldn't couldn't possibly conceptualize the impact and the consequences in the significance in the way in which you don't living. You don't live through a period and know that you might suspect that the world might be changed forever as a result of the period that you're living through. But to actually predict what will be the the real consequences in ten, in fifty years time is beyond all of us.

I think I think it's impossible. I think part of why people won't waking up to this at the moment, I won't confront IT, is because it's it's so big what's happening. I think IT is going to be like a first world war of know three. You know, someone said that the first world war was a set of iron rAilings between the, between the past and everything else, because you could see the past, but you could never reach again. And I think, but that wouldn't have been apparent right at the time, you know, that wouldn't have been apparent even as .

the man we're dying was not my wife's great grandfather's pictures over there, wrote a book about IT his service in france. And i've read IT pretty great book, and it's the most cheerful book ever written here. You know, sort of like he was, you know, successful. Guide the united states over the the air fight for something understand, with finding four years a good mood.

all time idea. I think it's at some point, at some point again, in the same time frame we're talking about second world war. Thereafter I think the world fell finally into the grip of the banks.

If IT fell finally into the grip of those unelected, unaccountable for profit groups for whom everything was only about money, money in power, and and for them, they became anywhere at that point. They didn't care about they, they won't care about britain, care about america. They just care about money.

You know, I think I think that has been has been, I think we lost in the in a slow motion consequence of the twenty eighth century, or the first half of the twenty eighth century, the all of all of what had been before that kind of love of country, that kind of patriotism, that that kind of identity. I think that was an unmoved unhitched at that point in something very large and slow moving, just began to drifts like a great liner. You know there's no longer on its safe encryption and it's just and it's only and it's only now that with with our kind of twenty, twenty, twenty years of hindsight that were able to look back and see that, that happened.

When was last time britain had a leader who believed the country was more important than the banks?

Well, you probably, you probably have to go back to three, sixty, ninety four in the, in the establishment of the bank of england. I mean, that's when the bank of england was was set up and and that that became the model for the fed in thousand and thirteen. And know the creature of JK islander, the I think and but then where do you start?

You know the city of london was established by, you know at the time of willing the concur and there's a state within a state. It's like the vatican. It's a it's a separate entity. You people don't you fully appreciate the extent to which the city of london is not britain? It's it's it's a separate it's a separate thing.

And police force the the mona has to seek permission to enter the city of london a was a nominated personal in parliament, the the city remembers, or most people don't notice whose they are all the time to make sure that the the unique rights of the city of london maintained are not compromised by any subsequent legislation. And there's been a long period of that to get back to a time before the banks have thrawl. You'd have to be before the banks were given the bank of england was given that magical power to create the money.

That's one all the you know that when the troubles I do you know about the bradbury pound now the great story, but you know you know that what you call IT that a link and had constitutional script the Greenbacks yes, the civil obvious ly um you know to get himself of a financial haul. Well, the broadway pond came about in one thousand fourteen because there was a run on the banks. War had war.

War was declared and people panic and the and people are going to the banks with the bitch of paper of the big bank notes. I promised to pay the barrier on demand, summer of five pounds, ten point. And in those days you could actually get that transformed to gold. You should get the commenter relevant.

That goal was transferable head value.

And so the banks had a run on. Now they they close the banks, but was an extended bank holiday. The, the, the bank went scuttling to the treasury. Uh, a David like George was the, was the, 不是， was, was the, was the person they sought out, the treasury.

The government must have had an ink that was happening because within within three days, legislation was rushed through parliament, so they must have had something ready to go. And they created treasury notes. And the first lot of the treasury was a man called, I think it's john brad berry anyway.

And he put his signature was on these notes, and he became the nickname of the brad berry pones. And so the bank reopened. The people were still queuing up, wanting to transfer their bank bank notes in at gold.

They were persuaded to take these treasury notes instead. And people said, what's the value of these? And they were, they were dead free and interest free.

And they were underwritten by the the national value of britain, the everything that britain was or is, its creativity, its people, its labour force, its inner everything? That's what, under route, the bradbury pound. And for whatever reason, people accepted IT.

Okay, i'll take these bradbury pounds. I'll take these treasury note, not bank notes, treasury notes, industry debt free. And that got that, that that saved today.

The run on the bank was averted. Now, almost at once, the banks said, realized, we can't have this. This is debt free, interest free mode of exchange.

We know what's in IT for us. And so very quickly they went back to the government, said, withdraw these bribery. Pes, let's go back to the old days, will buy government bonds, will give you bank notes, we'll call IT three percent, three percent interest in fear.

The bradbury pounds were gracing the last one actually didn't commit circulation till maybe the the leaf. But many years later, I can't remember exactly when the last at circulation. Britain's national debt in one thousand fourteen, before the war, was about six hundred and fifty million pounds.

By nineteen eighteen, IT was seven point five billion because the bankers had regained control. But but for a moment, for a moment, with the, with the advent of this debt free interest story, treasury note underwritten by the notional or real value of britain, there was a, there was a currency went out into general circulation that could have changed everything. Imagine if people imagine if the banks had been disappointed because they didn't have the power of death, they didn't have the power of usually interest, whatever you want to call, but they, they realised, were not having this. So having been got out of the hole of the run on the gold, the the, the bradbury pants are taken away. Nobody knows is does a war on and the the national death that began began its cycling .

critical be a bradbury pound?

well. I get I I host I seek to hoist conversations about about abbot about bitcoin and encrypt from time to time. But i'll make no bones about not i'm not really sure that, that are properly.

I'm in an expert in opposition to see whether I think it's the freedom of humanities are not I hear very strong voices on either side. People say it's like posy scheme in a corn and don't go near IT. Other people saying, no, this is the foundation upon which we will rebuild society in somewhere between those two polar extremes. Must like the, must like the truth. Uh, I think on I think I think there are elements about IT distributed leger blockchain.

I think somewhere within the there are profound solutions because I I have asked and I had a vee, yes, whether not you could use the block chain protocol to have see a news channel that couldn't be shut down because it's peer to you know, the country exchange with bitcoin is peer to peer, person to person, without without into seasons of a bank. And hypothetically, they say, yes, you could, you could, you could distribute your information. You could, you could transact bitcoin essentially is a transaction of information.

So therefore you could ya there's ally. You could exchange news. You could exit that way in. The people couldn't, the the baddies couldn't get at IT hypothetically. So the the the crypt to currency or bitcoin and blockchain interests me for that reason.

And and I, although I listened to very strong voice, is saying don't go anywhere near bitcoin. It's been hacked. The the banks have got control of IT and so on and so on. I think somewhere within that thinking, there might be a, there might be some of the answer.

How long til you get pulled off here?

Oh, I don't know. I think I do genuinely.

if you're living in a country that is trying to criminalize conversations at your dinner table between you and your kids, send you to prison for seven years.

Revenue wrong opinions. I think I think um it's a bold not me. I know I am a small fry in in in these things, but you know i'm a menu in swimming in these waters, but nonetheless are bold moves because I think the people are seeking the control with everything, with digital currency, with with digital ideas, with all of them are, are cowardly, frightened people I think we're dealing with.

I think we have created an ecosystem that has enabled to thrive, the most frightened, psychopathic, patache tic catastrophe leadership the world has yet seen. We have created the conditions for them. It's we've got to take responsibility for the fact that they are our fault you know you get the government, you deserve that true um so we we can't wash our hands of IT.

Nonetheless, I think they're scared very, very, very frightened people in the threat. What they are most frightened of is everyone else. We're probably frightened each other.

And I think there's a line that do they want to do. They have the will. They cross IT and do the wet work that would be required.

They are Operating at one remove from really hurting people physically, really going the length of throwing people into, you know, gulags. Concentration comes, are not there yet. And you know, are they are they ready? Do they have the backbone n to actually start? Not so much people.

Let me you bigger fish. Are they really going to do that? I don't know if you've really got IT in them. If as long as people .

they are proposing jail time for people who criticize them that suggest they do have IT in them.

let's see what actually happens. I think some of IT is I think I think some of IT is is is bringing ship. And I am no, i'm not persuaded that we've got the the colonies to to be the authoritarians that they fantasies about being.

Well, I think IT depends on circumstance, right? I mean, they once the virus intentionally or not got out of the lab in wuhan, the covered virus, then um you know they moved immediately to institute to tell arian rule that will happen again. There are still doing gain of function researchers, you well know but you think there will be .

a real virus that escapes. I don't think, I don't think so. I'm not sure that was anything.

I don't think that i'm not. So I nol called covered a not covered, came in influence, have vanished. That's a bit really.

Now all the people that would traditionally tends that in the tens or hundreds of thousands every winter would die of the flu. Yes, nobody y's down a flu in this is not IT. That's convenient.

I'm not. I'm not. Tell us sure that wars, anything new? There was no pandemic. You know, the average of death was eighty two, eighty three, which is beyond life expectancy. You know, you look at the stats, the official government starts for a country like germany in in, in nineteen and twenty and twenty twenty twenty hospital bed occupy y was an all time low. There was nothing clinically observable that would have given any clinical, any cause for alarm in terms of were dealing with something new, people to drop like flight.

Simply, you have have a lot of friends who died. No, no, I don't know .

anyone who .

did cover what I know anyone. I don't know any. Millions and millions.

millions, no one connected to me. None of my people died of covered, but no, plenty of people have died subsequent of heart tacks or stroker or all all the other things that you that happened once.

that you know anyone, who knows anyone.

is that covered. Well, I must do. I I must do. I can think of of any enough that, but I do not know anyone who died to call IT.

It's kind of crazy if you think about IT.

I like I know that I not persuade IT that there was anything new circulating that may have been, but IT doesn't matter. Even if there was the the facts remain. The data makes clear that there was no, the people won't dying in large numbers.

But well, not not before the ruler of the jobs. But in two thousand, twenty, twenty, there was nothing, there was nothing to see here. What we ended up with was a pandemic of testing with the this application of pcr tests that were never designed according to their designer to be used as diagnostic tools.

The forensic they're not diagnostic. Um everything about IT was hinky. The whole thing was, obviously they they simply took an opportunity to do something that they were planning to do anyway, which was to use a pandered to, seize control of people's h freedom under under money, biggest, the biggest transfer of wealth and job done.

All of that was achieved. But I, what if we had a pandemic c of anything that was a pandemic c of propaganda, A, A pandemic c of lies, an an, a pandemics of testing that that's IT? Well.

IT is pretty remarkable that for a pandemic that supposedly killed ten million people, or whatever the number they are signing, you don't know anyone who died from IT, only people who died from the vx. 对， that is absolutely my case too. And in fact, I don't know anyone who knows .

anyone who died of IT. I possibly do I that I just couldn't I.

That's pretty I mean where both in our fifties, no a lot of people you don't know anybody that I know a number of people who died or injured from. So um but at some point, I mean the spanish flu was real. Millions people died well including relatives of us.

Let's let's revisit that. I mean, the lies down, lies statistics, I mean, numbers are always problematic. Yes, when I was at school, when I was at school and I I studied to at school, H I remember being told that stalin said that h four million russians, the soil had died.

Concurrent germany became germany. yeah. It's now routinely quoted as twenty. yes.

So the number, numbers, just what other numbers are? They go up. And so that lies with the spanish flu. now. Now I read sometimes that there may be two hundred more, two hundred million people died of spanish flu, but the number keeps going up with the passage of time and is quick.

There are grounds for thinking that people died off with aspirin overdose because aspirin was very new at the time of the spanish flu pandemic. And the the doctors are the of the medical uh, established. They kind of knew they had their hands on a on a useful drug, but they hadn't worked out the dorsch.

They didn't know her best to administer IT at what level. And people were literally eating handfuls of aspirin in serious ly, you taking hand of aspirin. And people, when they were dying of the spanish flu, their symptoms are not what you would expect from flu.

And fluently, a people were a bloody froth at their noses. Yeah, the mouse bluing of the lips, which is symptomatic of oxygen starvation. But those are symptoms of aspirin overdose. Aspirin overdose will cause your blood to have less oxygen in IT, hence the the blowing of lip and and then the damage to lungs are you listed the street and then the mad, and then the damage to lungs will create, create this roths. No, people were dying of what people were dying, but this far out from from thousand thousand and four hundred and one thousand eighteen.

And and given the complication of the most use on a colossal scale of us, and it's interesting, the parallel doctors were encouraged to push aspirin in on the patients, you know, and they were and they were in league with government and and physicians were all working together with big farmer to push aspirin as the wonder cure is the wonder treatment. And you've got, well, end up with with many, many dead. I like to see that lies, downes and statistics.

Hard to know how many people died. Yes, no. But a lot of people died. But then sometimes a lot of people died with, with, with an influenza.

But the, but the way that things got out of control, you've got this complicating factor of people eating festivals of aspin and IT was cheap. People could get the hands on. They could get the hands on IT.

It's hard to know if people are dying of influenza or if they we're dying of a aspirin over. That's an amazing story. So, so the spanish flu pandemic is always quoted as the pandemic.

That's happened before. That will happen again. Well, let's let's let's revisit. Let's let's find out. Let's have A A clearer idea of exactly what did have.

So knowing that and turning down the vacs and successfully fending off the attempts to inject your kids with whatever that was M R N A vex, um where how where are you of taking any drugs?

What's your most powerful adjective? tooker? I worry I worry about um you know I lying bed and I think, what would I do if if I was injured and I needed a but transnational all of all, if I needed a injections of whatever, how confident would I be of what was in the injections I could be being told one thing in in the reality being another might not even be the fall of the.

Or or the action of the personal ministration at right? That's right. What exactly in that vile or IT said you I worry about, I worry about exactly because know clearly the astronomic a product which was not A M R N E A dino viral yet, a different, the mr.

That's been thrown under the bus. But the M R N E products are still there. Fines of meta. And we know that my government, we've invested hugely in M R. Any technology.

This is gonna the platform for know for the future of all source pharmacy, ticals included. So i'm very, very anxious about what's going to be out there. And if I as I say, if I if I require does am sure that will you know between them pop my clogs.

I'll need, i'll need medical intervention. And I would be, I would be, I would be anxious. And I can tell you, i've traveled, uh, extansion vely.

I have you in in the years before I had everything going. And if IT bad actions to things, I remember being really very unwell after my yellow fever. Me too, I was and point, I was away.

I was away from home when the effects of IT started. And I thought of, my god, i'm not. I'm going to work.

This is dire. So i've had, you know, i've had my stories to tell about, but i've had everything of japanese. And safety is jobs and help this and hate that one you name. IT was an enthusiastic.

well, yeah, you shop at the doctor before heading to afra.

whatever. And they did, I think, vaccination the way to go. And then, of course, they were unable to apply these products by changing .

the definition of vaccine. So the mra technology specifically is.

I don't want that anyone near .

me well ever worked on, but one of the things when the conspiracy theory is started talking about these drugs know really at the end of twenty, early twenty twenty one, they said, well, they could breach the blood brain barrier and they could change people.

Permanent gene therapies. exact. That used to be that you wanted to see that I was putting that in monologues and haven't IT taken out. But now I can see IT.

because literally true and theyd bit that IT is IT is gene therapy. M R N A.

Imagine if they had gone up to the general population in twenty twenty and said, we've got an experimental product. IT will have some sort of effects on your DNA. But what can honestly tell you how much, if any, uh, it's not safe.

Because previously pharmacy tics would never buy their own by their own industry standards. They would not apply the world safe to cream that you put on a baby bottom for APP rah, you can call IT safe. That's a dangerous world.

safe? effective? no. Then you going out that IT wouldn't stop transmission because I hadn't tested to see you would stop transmission. So the whole safe and effective and take this not for you, but just make sure you don't kill loved ones was a lie that was that was lie after lie after lie. And and IT was only, we know all this.

IT was only released under emergency use authorization, probably involved in the the D O, D, rather than big farm in any meaningful sense. Then you going in that there would be an adverse reaction for every eight hundred doses of every every hundred doses would would see an advertising. They got pages and pages of what the adverse actions were gonna be that fires are tried to bury for seventy five years, but, you know, wasn't able to do. We were lied to and lied to and lied to that I was IT was almost IT was people were almost being throw in jail ed for knowing and .

saying that IT was like I but the question is why? And any sort of wonder, like if does IT change your DNA? Do you notice a difference in people who took IT?

But will find out because biggest the biggest test, the biggest human test in history has been for the results.

But what do you think? What's your instinct you're before?

Well, I listened very on to the lakes of the the german thai doctor of suit up back ti. I think he's name that. And he was, he frightened the living day lights at me three, four years ago. And he was saying then, anyone, anyone applying R N A, anyone putting a product that this into people, is taking part in the biggest crime against humanity. You in the history of humanity and and for the sake of your owner, for the sake of your family name, you must walk away from having anything to do with applying this product to anyone you must. Because if you, if if you do this, you will be taking part in the biggest crime against humanity I just think you might go to is this guy but there was something very IT was a credential serious clinical the research you know scientist person though why why why would be saying these things? Most of reasons for saying these things um and so he he was very early on saying this is gene therapy, this is going this could change the D N A of the sales people's bodies and already think or seeing that happening.

And I even behavior changed after the vx the inoculation campaign a ditched you wan behavior changed. People start living differently. Their attitudes changed.

And what do you think people have been modified already?

Yes, I do. I have evidence for that other than what I see .

I was specifically, how is IT manifesting?

People seem much more compliant actually, and I think they seem broken now how to disagreed ate all the different factors is is beyond my capability. I'm not god, I don't know um but you know being locked indoors for a year be you know burrage human contact and you know there are lots of different factories drinking and drug use one way up screen time went way up um but there's no denying that people change the way they lived in. Their attitudes really changed. And if you have a drug that could potentially change people's DNA and I think there's evidence that I can I mean I can um why wouldn't you see changes in behavior?

Will again say I would simply went, I would just I will see, we will we will see. But when IT comes to .

but this the bigger thing that ever happened.

this biggest thing that's ever hunting in human IT, would be the biggest crime against against humanity. And in terms of change the behavior, I think you also, yes, I believe I absolutely said that that that we may well be seeing genetic change. But people, that part of our conversation earlier that that thing about A A test assorting of people in in a fairly binary choice to to find out you were the got the biggest test of humanity wrong.

The big, the big one. Here's the one. You don't know it's common, but turned out that that was the test.

And to know that you want to suspect, i'm pretty sure I called that role. I did that. I and people have seen that in themselves.

And that's a lot to live with. You know you, if you, I don't know, let's say you are lying in your bed at night. Family, sleep them. And dad, four, three, four kids, and the smoke ARM goes off.

And as dad, you sudden denly find yourself standing out in the street, having fled the house without even before you have time to think, you realize that you're instinct IT turns. It's a full alarm. Anyway, there's nothing worry about.

But nonetheless, imagine how would and then you go back in the house, dad, you didn't come for us. You run out into the street, and we were still in the house with the smart. That's the kind of analogy I would draw. So yes, people may maybe there are any component of of what happened with alter people, but I think people are already by self ization, which is .

for the way, in a society that literally sends women toward to defend us. It's so so integrated at this point. The concept of honor is sort of missing um I mean the male survivors the titanic live was shame uh of course that we are a man and how do you survive that like women drowned you lived like really uh but I think we've lost touch a lot of that but that is a feature of of nature of the natural order you referred to earlier.

And so it's real whether we knowed IT or not. And I guys who were raped in prison or referred to his bitches, you don't mean there's something once you submit or allow yourself to be treated as something less than humanity, IT changes you. And of course, being forced to take a drug into your body whose effects you don't know that you don't want, is an active of true. Samit is like .

any profound. I know we know, know fye and and the architecture, and and and the hero journey. I mean, these things that we know about that you know that of the basis for for so much of our understanding of the human psyche, you know that every every man, every person, let's see, but every man, you know, it's supposed to go go down into the belly of the beast and you know, in pursuit of IT of the lost father and rescued, much like pinochle does in the whale, doesn't gets chapel back out and becomes a real boy, you know that that's the hero journey and um we know what what we're supposed to do that will be in order to in order to justify our our three score and ten in this in this incorporated moment in time will will we should go in the hero journey and and emerge as as as fathers in our own right, able to fulfill that role. We know that the hero journey, and it's it's right that woven into everyone's this in the DNA and i've had your shot and not not gone into the belly the beast pursuit know you're taking up your room .

mascula ted. A lot of the .

population. So whether or not the genetics have been altered, which they may have been, that kind of self realization is a damn hard bullet to you.

So does that strike you that what you the way that you think about people um is influenced by fryd and by people who think about human behavior and non chemical terms in in moral spirit, al terms that whole way of thinking is kind of disappeared. I mean, that was a feature of our childhood when people say what you have, unresolved issues, guilt, whatever, didn't live up your own standards. You take that with you now it's like you've got a chemical imbaLance. So we can even I don't think Young people can get analyze human behavior in those terms.

I I think it's part of parcel of an anti human agenda. What what has been done fundamentally is anti human and it's being done to to people who see no in here. They don't know what that means to be human alive and and therefore they can be casual in contemptuous of people in account of billions because we have because they have got away from the the sovereign.

Human being, that's right. And what IT what IT means, you know, we don't we don't have with barely barely floated a dog out canoe onto the pacific ocean of the unknown is the human consciousness and then but already got the the transition monists not the transgender, the transfusion ists who are already preaching that the human being, mark one, is optimal and needs an upgrade via you technology. You know, they want to, they want to blame humans with tech digitise. Is that human beings? Because the time of the biological humans parents over but that's that's a product of of the wrong kind of people not even asking what IT means to be human and alive, right?

Well, it's a rebellious it's got to I mean, if you know as Christians certainly but I I think muslim m juice also certainly juice do believe that human beings are created in god's image you know to deface that image is to attack god right and to change to declare people inherently inadequate um know that and and it's a theological concept.

Think it's all it's bound up with many as a seat. It's going one hundred or more but you obviously you're like in in one thousand sixty eight, poli wrote the population yeah and IT saved time, actually got IT harden route the tragedy of the commons yeah and they both speculated about the basic crapes and rubislaw people in large numbers you know, they just make a massive everything.

And IT was that return of the new malthusian approach to people, too many of them, and are not what happen anyway. So this is going to be the ending of us, the predictions of air. And so wrong, you got to completely wrong.

And we I, I, I talk to people, I interviews people all the time who are saying, and you'll be across this, the, uh, birthrates are plumton across the west. It's not just in the west. Japan is poised to disappear in one hundred years.

The japanese people, so it's not even a western phenomenon. A swiss of of populations are not producing enough people to keep themselves going. It's true in britain, in france, all across europe, it's true.

America, really bad america. People are having like one point four, one point five children on average, which is not enough to sustain. And so and people are not appreciating that they are sitting in the in the cheap seats on a plane that isn't a tailspin that may not may not be possible leaving.

If you could get to the controls to pull the plane back into level, fly may may have gone behind that point. And so and you've got that information out there at the same time as people like bill gates and others are saying, we've got to check the human population. We've got too many people and in in one hundred years time can be anybody here.

Well, i'm being amusing, high party. But populations are in steep decline, and it's the explanations for our existential no IT has to do with maybe, possibly falling fertility and god knows what we have done to fertility. With these products that was jammed into several billion people, we'll see the futility consequences of all that are in due course.

I think we know.

I think we know, but but in any event, there's also people delaying having children. And then when in so many women, when they when they do reach a point where they do want to have children, that then maybe there mid thirties, the late thirties, the relevant partner is not there at the right time. So they they miss that there all sorts of existential reason, societal reasons for the, for the plummeting.

But they get to work the consulting firm in the ensuing years that's done in now.

But what i'm saying is that we know this. And yet the enthusiasm are still out there banging the drum for fewer people. They can't get rid of people fast enough. They can quickly enough to people from having more people.

Isn't that genocide?

Like isn't that what that is? Yeah it's anti species. again. Again, it's it's coming down to people, I think, who don't who are not properly invested in the future and they're certainly not invested in the future of humankind. They're they're are not giving they're not giving the last measure of the ocean.

but there's A A good level. And so we hit there's football player, you probably all this, but in the united states, kicker, who gave us a college commencement speech the other day. And in IT.

he said, I did, and I watched that smaller by chance. We watched the online is deeply .

steeped in the politics in states. But then you have modern was just like, you know, as you go, you might want to like, have kids because that's a source of enduring joy. And all these politicians and cultural figures.

And I came about that chick's name, but Taylor swift, some sort of fake entertaining kids out there, and you know, denounces the guy is as in the understand and as evil, because he suggested having children may be more rewarding than we're stupid career. Like what is that import? Like why would you imagine someone for encouraging Young people to have children? Like.

that's very weird to me. I was listening to, I was listening to Jordan Peter sand years ago, not claimed of. I was this way before everything having the moment I I came across some years and years ago. I think that was good. The the organ experience he was part of that, the intellectual dark web.

Remember, the sahara is britain at wednesday and her hair and Jordan Peterson and so, and I remember being really very profoundness struck by a lot of the things that that Peterson had to say about children and pain. Od, and for example, I really remember, i'm saying that, you know, so many people say they don't want have a baby because it's gonna a interview with a lifestyle. And he said, I really have to ask, what kind of lifestyle is IT that you can't take a baby with you? And I thought, yeah, because we train, I went from, we had our first than end of IT got three.

They just came with us, which they just were there. They were just then to them and free them, and they just went everywhere. Wages IT didn't in pinch on anything.

And obviously, IT goes without saying that IT made our lives, but by by an expressible orders of magnitude richer. And and yeah, you know them. A biding message out there is that there's Better things to do than be families. I anto humanity at the basic level.

Well, so that I want to ask you finally about one, one of the great trends in the west and IT is only in the west, uh, is the climate hysteria. How do you assess that? That seems part of this larger hole, a hooks. So hooks in what sense?

In the well, mult is multifaceted. The climate is changing because that what climate does yeah like whether know the climate change we did .

of glaciers at one point.

Yeah a when they started, when they started measures temperature, we were just coming out of the little ice age, yes, which had asked for hundreds of years, and temperatures were as low. And planet earth, they've been for thousands of years at that point.

So when IT comes to amazing temperate, there was only, only one way for unless we were going to go extinct or go straight to another full icy, there was only one way of the temperature to go, which was up. And so the fact that there has been sustained increasing temperature will IT would be because IT was coming from the bottle. Well, the only way was up.

Uh, also, IT used to be the accepted fact that increasing carbon dioxide follows a rise in temperature. IT doesn't cause IT right? As the world gets warmer, that is up. There's kind of about a several hundred year lag.

And then those more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere as a consequence of that warming, to to tell people that carbon dioxide is causing the increase in temperature would be like seeing a horse and car on a route from space and imagining that the car was pushing the horse because you could see IT moving. That would be how wrong you are. Is the horse pull in the car and likewise see you too? There's more of IT once the planets warmer, but I think it's eight hundred years is the leg.

So there are all sorts of reasons for being aware this way in which people are being frightened into thinking that is a catastrophic apocalypse coming because they have got gas central heating and they drive fossil. El car is a hoax. There's a big complicated picture to do with the, the, the, the climate changing used to be called in the seventies.

I remember the documentary with li very well talking about that was and then IT became global warming but then because that isn't holding up, it's become climate change. Well yeah because climate changes. And then in any event, what's what's been done in response to IT is is not Green and it's anti human. You know, as advocates of fossil fuel say, if we are, if we are, let's see, we are going to of of climate in uncertainty, stability. That would be the very time you wouldn't want to do with with the ability to cheap y and readily heat homes or your condition them.

That would be true as appropriate.

I mean, if somethings gonna happen, this would be the, you do not throw away your matches, you know, at the time you might need to light a fire and and also the know the winter lines that now of at the end of the life cycle, and not just being landfilled. These vast unrecorded liable plastic things are just being built in the ground. They, they are being made in, in, in any event, using fossil fuels.

They can be recycled electric cars. That's just a means to to get people out of their cars and and back onto, I don't know, horses or or or shank is poor or whoever. Um so it's no, it's no Green.

What is being done? The planet, we're making a mess. You you look what happens in the extraction of the the lithium s, another read of metals are required for electric batteries.

Look at the the child slavery that that entails. Look at the look at the scarification of the planet that's involved in the extraction of those things, the destruction of ecosystems, in habitat, in pursuit of Green energy, really, seriously. And the one, you know, the one clean Green energy that is available, which is nuclear, is strictly verboten because, well, but because we've been told that you .

can't have nuclear. And so in europe, you've seen a spate of climate cultists destroying leval art. What's never modern arts? So we Christian, but I ve noticed, but but they've gone into museums s and spray painter slash paintings.

I don't think you've seen any vandalism of private plains at all. So if you believe in the kind of schematic, you believe in the story of climate change as an essential thread, you know, the first thing you would do is get rid of private air travel. But that doesn't occur. Anybody I don't understand is that what we watching?

Well, you've got a situation. The Richard, the world economic photo and devils and other places are are openly seeing that because of carbon credits as rich people will buy the carbon credits of poor people that can't afford to go on holiday anyway. And that will offset our private jets and private yours you not using your carbon credits anyway because you can build afford to feed yourself for your family. So you you're definitely not going on holiday this year. Well, i'll alt you create your carbon craters off your hand and all. I'll use that to legitimize my the perpetuation of my legitimist festal the hook racy of IT the rubbing of people's noises in IT is off the scale and and again, it's anti human if if for one of the kind of farming techniques and the the the fatalities ers that we have, there's very good reason for thinking that half the world's population will starve to death for one of the kind of fatalities ers that are made from oil to just stop oil.

So be going to see family that like any doubt about that, and when that happens, what you know what people blame each other as they're been instructed to do? Or will they finally figure out that this .

is all many people, I think, again, being, being absolutely being an alienation responsibility to be positive. I would have answered yes to that question that more, more people do IT. well.

I can save for when I see now and I didn't use to. So i've added to the count by one and treaty seized and SHE didn't used to. So last two, and our kids do so at five, you know. So just in mind circle, i'm seeing people waking me up on a very personal level.

So so yes, I do I do think that the enough people are seeing the the way in which we are being played, we are being attempt a glass scale, attempt to pull wool over our eyes, is is going on in more and more people are seeing IT and are seeing that people are being upgraded from there, their homelands, and have been for generations. And they are turning up where the, you know, maybe ought to be. And instead of people in, you know, pausing for a moment to think, why is this disruption happening, they just angry with the victims of IT.

I'm i'm not saying I am not. I am sure there are. I'm sure there are bad lads in and criminals and absolutely sort of people forever treating colour that you wouldn't want in your communities. I, I C, ed, I get that absolutely.

but they wouldn't be here if the governments and and had room.

But the picture is building a bridge in the dog out to make IT easier for the ng in the w, in the U. N. And the rest of them to drive people in to the united states from the south, if you can if as as I say, i'm seeing IT and and more and more people are seeing and all all IT really takes is for people to realize that the trouble is not beside you, it's above you. And there's no it's not a big not a big group. And actually, the techniques are old, worn out and transparent from over years and that, you know there's nothing to fear, but they fear they saw I would say I can't believe that .

I am more pessimistic than a Scott.

Well, you've probably got Scottish jeans, but there's no but this a zero sum game talk 一看， you've got to be you've got to, you've got to it's like it's like taking your casting oil. It's like taking your you've got you've got you've got to be optimistic because it's your, it's your obligation. It's nothing less than your obligation to force yourself to be optimistic that you can't you cannot go to the to the dark side until it's all over, in which case won't matter anyway. But I don't think, I don't think so.

You know, Oliver, thank you on that. I appreciated.

Thank you. Took a .

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