National Security Expert Elbridge Colby’s Advice to Trump on How to Avoid WWIII & Handle the CIA
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We are now three days out from the election. There's a mad scramble um of course, in washington for people to get positions, power the ministration. Um some of them are good people.

Some of them are not you are being widely discussed as potentially the next national security visor or secretary defense taking over dud. I don't know what's going to happen. I fairly confident you will play A A large and meaningful world in this administration.

Um you're never going to say any of that, but I did. I thought that the audience might like some context for our having this conversation. I think you're one of the very few people with deep experience in national security who shares the president's priorities and social security. What is amazing there too many years, I would say the the leader of them, there's a context, what does this next administration need to do in order to remain true to the president elect articulated positions on more in peace.

Well， thank you, tucker, and thank you very much. A first stop for your confidence in me that means a great deal I I don't make me fit well, I know and that's why i'm deeply grateful and honor um and I I clearly they don't make any presumptions about any role for myself but what I what I would say and I mean this with all sincere, is that I think the president states the president left is exactly right, that we stand on the possible precise of world war three, and we need a fundamental change before we ran right into the iceberg.

I mean, I think the election is over, but this remains absolute true. Is that what I call the liberal prime ist alliance? Basically, the kind of policies present by device, present Harris aligned with the premises.

Py, call them, we could call them in. The new, new conservatives have let us to a situation which were over extended, were on the brink of war in multiple theatres, and we could lose them. And I really want peace and more importantly, present.

Trump ran to his in historic credit on an agenda, as he said, of a, you know, in his sort of Victory speech, I don't start words. I end them now. I think my view is that we have to have how you actually get to peace is a difficult question and and I had the honor of being on your show a few years ago when my book came out.

And I I remember, I recall, but I said I was thinking about your question to present trump about why is IT worth defending. Alice and I gave that a lot of thought, and that, in a sense, my book is a response to that question. And I think you do need strength, you do.

But of course, you need piece through strength but that that term has become cheapened and distorted to become basically an excuse for an aggressive expansionist uh, approach to reign policy. But I think you do know it's it's real meaning and present. Trump is in sense going back to the great tradition of the republican party, the wine burger doctrine in the palou tron, yes, nixon ison hour as bob doll use to put IT.

Ah these are democrats wars that used to be democrats to started wars and republicans and ended or avoided them, as in how I didn't go into vietnamese nine hundred and fifty four, he did not even in in hungry in one thousand nine hundred fifty six. Again, he nobody thought he was a weak guy. So what needs to happen right now .

before you get into that? I just think you might be helpful. Describe where we are now because a lot of americans in this category were so absorbed in the election, right, that we may have lost touch with what you open your reMarks by noting which is were on the brink of war and multiple tears .

tells where we are absolutely well I think um for the first time in basically hundred and fifty years, we are not clearly the world's largest economy. We compete for that with china and they are far larger industrial power. Russia, uh, in purchasing power parity terms, is a very large economy with enormous industrial production capacity to north korea. Advancing into nuclear .

missile programme to russia is a larger manufacturing economy.

And appreciated I think yeah I mean, I despite a lot boost sting, they're still out producing the north atlantic alliance, including united states in utility production, which is old technology by like a factor of two or three iran, two weeks from a nuclear weapon, according to tony blinkin. And worse, these these have come together.

Now you will hear from the sort of pronunciation and liberals that that means that we have to fight them all the same time. No, to the country. IT means they're collaborating together precisely to tie down and deplete us.

And that's what's happened in the war, ukraine, where we have extended a tremendous t of weapons, dido, in places like attacking the hootie and so forth. At the same time, our defense industrial base has wildly atrophy from where I was thirty years ago. This is why the agenda for reindeer rial zone is so important. But that's going to take a long time as an advances has point out. Meantime, china.

wait to can you say it's not um I am. I thought one of the the justifications, the main justification for this wildly inflated ukraine funding was that I was going to help establish americans didn't have .

industrial base and in fact, one of the the most kind of off to used arguments by a lot of the advocates for the warn ukraine was that we would sort of degrade the russian military for song and restore defense industrial base at the same time. Actually, more or less the worse the reverses happened. The russian military is is larger.

And this is general cavalry. The secure has admit this. The russian military larger, its battle hardened. I mean, our military has not fought a peer adversary.

Well, I mean, really since world or two, but certainly sense vietnam, a and and korea, the russians have gone totti with. Ukrainians are capable and they have a revs up defense industry at the same time. So in a sense, we're worse meaning time. The europeans have basically been to sleep at the switch, not not going through with their defense build up with a few notable exceptions like poland.

So and then you look at china, which is the by far the most formidable chAllenger ten times to GDP of russia, this administration, tony blinking has said shijo nne has given the instructions, their military, to be ready for a war over taiwan by twenty and twenty seven. Frank andle, the sector, the air force in the by administration, said the other day that he thinks the chinese military will say they're ready. We have to be ready for this.

My view is we desperately want peace. The chinese are going to look at us both in terms of our strength, but also, in turn, our political commitments. And this is why I think present trump has been exactly right, which is being willing to talk to present to gene, not insulting present suian pay and present put in others unnecessarily not supporting things like taiwan independence, and at the same time being prepared to be strong.

And this is where I think if if if we appoint uh or if if people are put into positions of power who think that we can walk and sugar and do everything and start wars in three different theatres at the same time, not only that be bad, like IT was in the iraq war, and often the same people IT will be far more catastrophic. C, I don't think this is exaggeration. I think we stand on the precipice of losing a major power war for the first time in our history.

So people need to know what time IT is. And that really requires focusing on china with the purpose of peace like we did in the cold war, which was to say, we're going to be strong. We're not going to go over the line like ison Howard did in one thousand.

He's not going to go into hungry. We're not going to go into checks vac in one thousand hundred and sixty eight, but don't come across our line because you see you, it's not going to succeed for you. So I think we really stand at the crossword and I think present, trump has a Mandate for peace. So don't I just as an american and whatever happens to me, I so hope that we don't end up with the the same failed recipe of starting wars all over the place or getting in mashed in conflicts when we we can afford to do something .

interest from a non expert position, which is my position watching um there does seem to be brought recognition that whatever our objectives in ukraine or we can we didn't achieve them and we can silence immediately comes out upon connection says actually enforce that does maybe seem like it's winding down oh, who knows?

I hope but the noises are consistent with so but at the same time, the very people were pushing that war all was sudden like very excited about the war or run yeah it's like they just seamlessly. It's like a reclame, whatever. Actually the real problem is iron and telling us around trying to murder president trump.

T T. sectors. I don't know what true. I don't. But um how would you what would happen if we want to work with?

Well, I mean, I think look, bad regime we don't want to have a nuclear weapon to support is want to be able to support groups attacking israel set at sea. But like, haven't we learned the lesson over the last twenty five years about the ill advised nature of very significant conflicts? In the middle is that don't have clear goals and clear connection.

American interest, haven't we have been averted? Like didn't we run this experiment a couple times? And also like the exact same people calling for war thuran who were involved in the past, it's like shouldn't there be some degree of accountability moreover? Yes, it's it's like a bad idea itself.

I mean, you know like I was criticized in the bollard by eric cattle man, who was dichen SE advisor in number three, the pentagon under bush. He said, my ideas were iconoclastic and I was like, thank you. I'm delighted that you think my ideas are .

kind of how kid Erica and be writing with an incredibility at all on form policy questions after being timely involved in the iraq war and they never apologizing. I don't know. There should be some international authority that requires condition like IT like a moral U N. You don't get to say another word until you .

done ashes and I am certainly not in errent. I'm certainly not invaluable but like at least show some it's a couple a speech, A I three the rock words like a molokans you know it's like ah I think that's like a big deal and obviously lot of people got you different views at A. But it's like it's kind of show the condition, show the pendents, show the show the learning.

And so that I think is the other thing they're tucker is like it's the same people who are calling for attacking iran, who are also calling for escalating the war, ukraine or even a no fly zone, recognizing demand the taiwan, or getting in a war with china or attacking north create like if we do all those things, we know objectively as a fact, our military is not capable of fighting more than one major war at a time. So even if you did want to, getting in multiple fights with people at the same time is just like full Hardy. And I mean, but but the way I think about IT is the washington blob establish can get us into wars and crisis, but they can fix the problem.

So it's really important right now. And IT IT seems to me that you're just listening to president trump at his historical c Victory, the decisive Mandate he got, his leadership, his Mandate, his agenda for peace from position of strength. Use the military sparring. Ly, but habit be strong. It's really important not to get in meshed all over the place and and either bleed themselves out or in catastrophic .

multi front loss I think is the lasting down trump once um right? I mean, the art of his life is just is so remarkable, the redemption that we just on tuesday without president, really in american history. And so if you wanted to destroy his presidency, a second presidency, what's what's the one full proof you to destroy IT?

No president has ever lost A A great power war don trump has run to his enormous historic credit. He has been shot, he has been had long fair conducted against him, and he has had the bravery and the vision and the persistence and the commitment at great personal physical cost, but also to his reputation, his family, at a to stand up for these principles that the united states especially needs putting american interest first.

Peace, prosperity is set of a reindeer rial zone. Now is the time to put that into practice. Whoever IT is, I can't stress how and for that is, and if you're thinking about a historical legacy, joe biden gona leave a legacy that's terrible.

I mean, where, you know, for all the things that you mention, the war in ukraine two and a half years in jilin barzy time just reported that the intelligence community is reporting that the ukrainian losing that is not a still mate. So after all that, after all the preaching, after all the moralism, the ukrainians are losing the war, and the russians are making enormous progress. And we're unprepared.

We're unprepared for a war with china. The middle east is in the worst situation in years. We can even stop the the hoods like a third four thread power, and we're not prepared. So they've left us on the precipice they've put us on to know the titanic is is directing towards the iceberg. It's gonna a sharp turn.

And the way I think about this in, and when I worked the broader worked for present trump in in his first term, when we worked on the defense ratee to try to get us to prioritize again, in my view, with the same logic, very consistent with what present from, I think we are trying to lay out that was like you we were a couple of miles from the iceberg back then. Now we're like right up you we're few thousand yards and and it's not easy to turn the titanic. And if you turn the titanic ninety degrees, people are going to fallow.

The bunks, chandeliers and beautiful, you know, plates are gone to get broken. But that's what we are. But that is the fault of what I call the liberal promises alliance. That is the fault joe biden, the male Harris and the prime minister, sm, were sort of old school republicans who, if they pursued that, the policy further would lead sicca strophe.

Then how is IT that? From what I can tell, pretty much every person in the running for the big national security jobs, other than you, is part of that alliance. And I I know them all, and i'd like some of them in a couple sitting U S.

senators. So I think are really nice guys. Um but their their tools of the people you describe like completely there's kind of no doubt about IT. Um how is IT that there are so few people on the republican side, the national security with experience, who agree with the president, who leads the party.

So i've thought a lot about this because i've been fighting as you kindly just you, and sort of a lonely battle within the sort of blob to to put this on, like to meet what is sense exactly? And yet so few people do IT. And why is that? It's so weird.

And honestly, so much of your in site, in commentary, both on this show, in your other podcast interviews, your shows eta. Because I think it's like I think there's a human sociological element I mean, not to get and one of the things that kind of bizarre is that I think like today, people like us, we can learn a lot from the new left of of the sixties and seventies. But there are some wrong with the establishment and the way establishing I believe there's always establish an establishment in mouse china, but we need a Better establishing, you know, your end, your friend of of tedy rose vell too, like the idea that, like, the establishment just does.

What IT used to do is like, no, the point is this option was to serve the people, right, of course, but I think there is an element and I try to give credit is like, yeah, there's money and stuff. There's other ways of making money. I think it's the psychic kind of like network benefit of being part of like is essentially functionally an imperial capital.

Yeah and everybody comes to you know this right? If they come to the camp and you're so wise, we need your leadership. You you're so moral. Univision and IT happens in congress where people come. They probably not thought about form policy that much for all these structures set up to kind of a cultural m and again, like, I don't want to sound to new, new left, but like, you know, this is kind of what happens. And so you need, I think, a clear eyes view of how to change and Frankly, a willingness to buck the system.

And this to me is like, and I am certainly far from the only person to make this point, I think you have as well as like present, trump ran against the system, and that is so important because it's the system, the liberal premises, the lions in other things like trade and economics at sea, that that need to be a fundamental change. And already he's paid the Price literally, and shown the bravery and commitment to go through that. And so now it's about like capitalizing.

And Frankly, my hope is if that happened, a lot of these people, especially in the Younger generations, would follow. And I forgive me for a little bit of padding myself of the back, but I think it's an apple poll comment. I was out at a thing a few months ago in this Young guy. I came up, you strong guy, whatever and he said, hey, this koby, i'm going and going in the the marines and I just want to say all the Young republicans love what you're saying and I said to him I was like, well, that's good because all the older republicans hate IT and he's like, yeah, that's the point.

Where do they? They do they and that's like to me, I was, I think of us, unlike the first light out this is you, although you there are people out there you wonder about, but like this is this is not like actually getting shot, but it's like, i'm trying to think about how do we protect americans from not getting shot, of course. right? And so and so I think the Young people can see IT know the Young people who are like, you know, or not bought in to, you know, who have not been kind of a cultural work for x senator on this committee for ten years, and then went to that thing tank and baba.

I think, I think if you build that, they will come. But it's like the first asia one. We take a lot, we take a lot of metaphorical flat, hopefully metaphorical.

I just and I won't go on about this, but I am a little bit distressed by IT very distress by IT. But like something like mike pum pee all just say the name who I don't think is going to a job in this seminar strategy I would pray that he's not I think is a criminal i've said that plot ted to murder someone who had been charged with the crime that's a criminal act. Should be rested for that. That's my view um but even if you don't believe that he's been anti trump for eight years, worked against trump and he's a crazed neocon and he's still being talked about and promoted again, I think you need to have the job but promoted to run the national security staff in in the united states. How can that even happen?

Well, look, I mean, I think it's if I were advising present trump, I would say um especially now that the Mandate has happened, yes, why pick up anybody whose not aligned with what you're trying to do? I mean, I saw the last ad, the present from ran, I mean the storing ad like an a one who is in that at you tosa abbot robbert of Candy junior, the vae and and vice personal advance.

That is the Mandate, you know so so like my my hope is that he will own that and that is the way for that's the way for peace. And there is going to be debates about various policies and how to emphasize this or that. But why go back? Especially in a situation where as successful as the first term is the situation, the job an in common Harris are leaving present from in january is, I cannot stress how dangerous is this.

And he's right. I mean, the way the present from, again has commendably talked about the risk of nuclear war. I worked on nuclear issues a lot.

My kind starting point a lot was like working on nuclear weapons and nuclear strategy and arms control. I worked on arms control with the russians. We should be afraid of these things.

Salutary fear, not like an unmanning fear, if you will, right? But like a salutary fear in the begin of of wisdom is fear, whatever the bible says to that effect. And I know that, but is true, right? Is understanding and calibrating.

And to me, one of the like touch grass kind of things about a lot of the people who are calling for, like no fly zones in over ukraine and intervening against the russians and escalating and allowing U. S. Weapons to be avert used to attack moscow and russian strategic you know forces sites like.

That that is obviously crazy. It's like time out like that is obviously there are many republicans. yes.

In fact, some of the that's why I think that the arguments within the republican party in some ways are fiercer because my hope, tucker, and I think this is something you've been you on for a while, but it's like the democrats, like they're sort of inherently out of position right now. Like where is the left? where? Where are the people who are like anti war?

Where are the people who say the cii is not river approach or the FBI is not above approach? Who are the people dub bite mills or whatever the power leads and all this stuff those people have, those movements have to come back. And and and I think that that's something where, especially given the Mandate that present trump has seen as one that hope.

I mean, you know, whatever you think of berny centers, the fact he said like we're out of out of position, you know, and others are saying they are out of position for my hope is the democrats will go back in the sense of the kind of arguments that are making that I think you could have heard democrats make ten minutes ago, right, or thirty years ago, forty years of hate. We we've to be able to talk to our opponents. We have to have a strong military, but not into unnecessary worse. That's just common sense.

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You mention C I now is probably a good time to address IT your last time is kobe that is familiar as a familiar named as the history of the intelligence agency grandfather rain IT wim kobe um and so there are two interesting things. One is, i'm sure this, i'll set off just a explosions of theorizing on the internet. So what is your view of C I A how that I think that's why your famous in washed because well.

actually my my great grandfather was a career army officer. So I come from kind of a national security, you know, background of him, my dad, not not so much, but but you know, look at my view on the intellect spending. I worked on this stuff myself when I was kind of early in my car doo on the commission that looked at why I rock telling and strong.

I didn't agree with my my grandfather for everything I, with everything I didn't know super well. I mean, I know a lot about how we approach things and how he is is record and so forth. One thing where I do really, really agree with him, and where his legal training, and the fact that actually, as jim sudna said, he was the first liberal to become director of central intelligence, was that he thought, and I grew them, that you need a CIA, you need a national security establishment.

But it's not above approach and IT needs to be accountable. And that's what he when you know the interesting thing about him and you just to stress that I don't take any credit for IT like tell just because you ask me now he was in role war two. He was in a field guy, he was in europe, and then he was in vietnam e for a long time.

And then he kind ended up as director by happens stances these things sometimes do during water day. And so and he had not been really involved. He wasn't one of the inside club of like I see you got a deck helm's book the man the sea is the kind of ultimate insider washing an Operator kind of my grandfather was out, unlike me.

I'm more of d type policy type. But but I think he came and he said there's a chance that, I mean, remember this, the democrats at the time, the congressional class in one thousand hundred and seventy four, very left wing, a lot of them were thinking, let's just get rid this place. Let's get rid of the intel.

Me and his view is like, that's not good for our country, but it's not good that they are spying on americans know I got an debates on some of these twitter sometimes about like whether the american government is funding some of the stuff, you know, in europe or whatever nato blab a blah that's reverberating back in the american, like that happened before, you know, right? So long time for a long time. So it's like it's not a reasonable and by the way, sunlight is the best defect and and by the way, who are some of the people who were opposed at that time, dic chi drum, soul, you know, they were opposed to any kind of h and racism, any kind of accountability for the intellect community.

And so that's how I I look at. I think there's a real need for accountability also in the professional military. What what is this going on with four star officers, uh, recently retired, who have no political wedding, they haven't elected dog catch, weighing on extremely sensitive points on american, calling one of the potential candidates a fascist that is widely inappropriate.

There needs to be a fundamental change. First of all, it's wrong. Second of all, it's not consistent with our constitutional order. Remember that our founding fathers, who had gone through the revolution, who had thought a war against the great power, and one they were like, the nasty politics is a feature.

Alexander hambleton and Thomas jeff son talking about each other, other's mother, fine standing military, we only build a serious standing military. American military offers war, uh, civilian cloth into the pentagon as as late as world war two may be, even after. So we have come.

This is since one thousand and forty seven, since world were two, basically. And I think we needed given what's happening. But he needs to be accountable.

The third point I would make about this group is like, where do they get off? Like has has our military been successful? Have our political military goals been .

achieved over the last twenty five years.

if you that most of guilt goes towards the liberal finance, the politicians who did IT, yes, but also the war leaders who prince ince, a charming mester. I wrote a book called the election of duty about how the the city, the journals in vietnam, did not tell lan Johnson, and they couldn't successfully prosecute that work. Okay, I grew you.

how? How is the senior military done? So I think some humility, getting back to basics and .

standing out of politics is really needed. Its infuriating. IT does chAllenge like the idea of our constitutional order. I agree completely, but it's also ominous. So when you read that the pentagon now has a new policy where the direction of playing leadership that can kill americans in the united states, what is that?

Look, there's a lot of things that need to be taken a look at where like we've gotten, especially after nine and eleven, where it's just meta tice ze right, where we need to ask ourselves what is the right. And I think you've done this like commentary where you're saying, look, you know, I was here on this position here and i'm same thing like you, but look at look at the cost and people like, you know, who were we would say on the old new left would have said, oh my god, this is going to be abused and people like us, like, I don't worry about IT and they were right so let's take a new look at that again. I think we need to have the capabilities.

But I also think this is where this group, I mean, practically speaking, not only former, I means former C, I, A leaders implying that present trump is a russian agent is a while while abuse of the trust, because it's a special trust with classified information and specialities. And you is almost like a religious obligation where there needs to be a self discipline and an understanding that there are certain things you can do, you know and and that's been deeply violated. And I think, Frankly, republicans are agree that a lot of democrats, or independence or whatever voted for present from, they've delivered a verdict on this issue. So I think you need people who have that baLance, which are, to me, is the american ways to say, look, the people have spoken, this stuff got out, got out of hand and we need to have a baLance, but we need to preserve what we need for our security.

Um what do you do in ukraine?

Well um one is I hope the president uh is successful and leans forward on his plant and the war and I just say I don't know what that is but nobody knew what what I never was talking about, fifty two, nobody know what which next stuck about six, eight and nobody knew what run a regions and about twenty nine u rdc. Indications that players, including president putin, might be might be changing and the ukrainians for that matter.

So I hope there's a basis what exactly that looks like. I don't think you know you're not gonna liberate crimea, that's obvious and the wars not going well. I think that step one, and I think the europeans needed to mean this is something i'm been banging on.

It's just so common sense. And by the way, you want to talk about who's helping biden and heroes, you will go to europe and say you don't need to worry anything. But so what kind of promise this type republicans, they would go to europe and say, don't worry, we can do everything where a where we're leading.

They didn't do the eupeptic favors. They didn't do the ukrainians any favors, let alone, you know anybody else, but learn american people because they promise things they couldn't deliver. And this is something where, you know, and I said this, I was rosted out.

We had an interview right for the election in year times. Know where I get. Oh, rosen said, this is sort like questioning the morality of what present trumps.

Y, I don't think there's been a stronger case, a more important time for form polity that is more moral than what you see, which is the moralism, which is all intention. You see a on the left from tony blinkin just saying, oh, the ukraine is are fighting for freedom so we need to do X, Y, Z. And then fAiling the way I think about IT is like we need a form policy that's more like how does a parent think about the response?

Let's say you're you're on the board of an orphanage. Know you might have a really good guy. He's good to church every sunday like you, but never cheats, cards or whatever. But he sucks at handling the money. You know, you gonna hire guy who's actually to take care of the orphans.

And that is, by the way, if all the orphans didn't matter how much of that, of course, because the purpose of a system is its effect. And what's the effect of the warn ukraine is to depopulate ukraine and now to allow foreign, including many americans, including blackrock, to buy the soil of ukraine.

I think certainly not. Whatever this has happened has definitely not been but the ukraine.

I has just lost ukraine, but not to the russians, but through the encouragement of the body demonstration. That's my view of IT. Um but how close do you think we have come to a nuclear exchange with russia during this?

I think it's close. I mean, and what word for you I mean, i'm not sure how reliable he is on everything, but I think they're reporting that the by administration, which was against interest, was very worried about russian nuclear employment in later twenty and twenty two is very, very concerning, I think was he was quite real.

And the people who are live, and Susan about IT, I think, is a incredibly responsible, should not be near a serious decisions. Those people, well, I think you see this kind of liberal promises. There was a lot of people who who signed the no flies on or who made the comments on twitter or otherwise around that time and and have said sense, have said to lift all the restrictions on the employment of U.

S. forces. And by the way, what's very clear as a lot of these people, if given the opportunity, if they thought the political environment would bear IT, would support direct intervention, which, if we go to war with the russians directly, the russians are very prepared to use nuclear weapons. So we have to be realistic about what that entails, what and what.

I mean, I think the russians one thing about putin that's that's important and again, like you don't have to like the person to understand that we need to take this guy seriously, right? Is he as he was as as he assumed power and took over from yEllen, which in the russian mind was a catastrophically disaster period? One of the first things putin invest in was the recapitalizing, the russian nuclear forces and the way putin talks about russian nuclear weapons and nuclear tragedy indicates that he has a quite sophisticated understanding of nuclear strategy.

Of course, you know a lot of this speculation because thank god y've only have been used once or twice um but he says to me this guy's is credible and he has an idea of how to use them. You don't start by blowing up washington, D C. You start potentially with something like battlefield use, selective strikes against things like places in europe or more preferable targets.

But I can go up there and then you manipulate risk. And if if weapons are used in that way, you can see millions of people, I mean, and we have almost no defense against that's why I think present from ferenc is like having a Better shield would be great. But right now, we're pretty much denuded. I I just .

don't understand. I mean, I guess it's kind of late in the game to wine about IT, but we provided you know missile defense tied to another country, but we don't have one. Like how how did that happen?

I don't know. I mean, I think I think that's something that we can work on me. It's technically very difficult, but I think having something Better than what we have.

but we always bragin of the use of the opposite ticad use of our defensive missile technology abroad. Did IT a court nobody that the purpose the U. S. Military is to defend the united tes.

IT is. And by the way, up until the A, B, M treaty was signed, sixties, you would go around american cities, and there would be nike ajax and nike hercules nuclear tipped missile defense interceptors and other kinds, nora, and all these kinds of things. So I think having a stronger defense of the american homeland makes sense.

And also, like people talk about the american military being used, you know, in relation to mexico is like, well, I think mexico is like, know in the immigration issues, very, very complicated thing. Like, you know, the american military is to defend the united states, right? So like that should be, you know, so to me, the core missions of the american military that would focus on device, the homeland, preventing china from becoming the hedging ic power in asia.

Because I think will will never, reindeer rial zed will never be autonomists and be what amErica needs to be if china dominate asia. But I hope and think we can do that without a war. Working with others that pull their own weight um and then and then having an ability to make sure that we you don't have a replication of nine eleven.

Now some of that is like being smarter about how we use our military um but I think some of IT is, you know, you gotta keep taps out there and then I think it's like about supporting out, you know, people say trump h is antil I think that's totally wrong. It's just a different model of allies. That's obviously a is much close to the cold war model and b is common sense .

is like party trumps enter ali. So um are of course most important in europe is germany. I'm willing to say its fact in blowing up north's stream.

So I know we blame in the ukrainians, but like we did that, say that no, that's you IT is true. So how exactly do we get to launch an active industrial terrorism against our closest need to? I how was that I ship?

Well, the thing that's that's weird. And this gets, I think also into the context of like who benefits you kobo right? Ah is like, so since the ukraine war broke out, the european economy, and particularly the german economy, has been like in free fall. So there's this kind of cute argument for a while that we had somehow like benefit from europe sucking air after the many .

people say that.

And it's like, no, no, wait, hold on our point if you go and like sense is like, no, we want them to stand on our to feet. Like I don't get a rise out of Loring over the europeans. This sort of this mindset that this is still fundamental.

A european country was a european colony. Europe is basically like with the united states, very fundamental level. Certainly hasn't for two hundred and fifty years. So destroying europe.

what right?

But in general, I mean Christ europe, right? It's basically ally and destroying western europe, which I think we've done. How does that help us? I don't understand.

I don't think that it's I mean, the entrance thing about that is, I mean, obviously were settle by europeans now way people coming from all over the world that seta. But the thing is actually, if you look back at our early history, we stayed at know you actually more involved in the western hemisphere, particular an asia actually. So people say, oh, you know, we were never going to get focus on asia.

I don't think that's true. Who opened the black? Who up the black? Ships open japan? exactly. People are trading. And a lot of the early american fortunes.

Asx museum, sam, that was that china right? People canton sometimes with opium, you know and then like sama hawaii at sea. So i'm not say like we have a strong interest in europhile pines, the Philippines of course.

Thank you. Um in fact, my great grandfather, we would take about our families like I um he was an an army office in the interwar period and he was stationed at the american. There was like a concession in china not china is proud of period, but you know we were present so what I think that means to me is a couple things.

One um if you actually go back to american history and at our best and really kind of the first got really until ninety and nine, we did pretty well with exception, I think, for things like the tnm and stuff like that. But IT was pretty hard not like you go back to wash's farewell address, hamlin etter. It's like we're looking at after number one.

So this idea that amErica first is somehow inconsistent. It's like, by the way, our republic is supposed to be in the interests of everybody, right? Like that's the definition.

So so when people say trump is transaction with good, right, we need he's like the you know the CEO of amErica and the board is saying, hey, look after our interests, right? That's actually what you won. And then on europe, it's like we don't actually benefit.

I mean, it's it's been a disaster. I think objectively, the policy of the last five years in particular, has been a total sector. Germany is in really economic strates.

The ukrainians are losing the war. They haven't built up their military. But you know, hey, joe biden got a metal from a love schult who is probably going to be out of a job as well. I hope a few months, I, for their sake, I may. I don't believe in like in intervening apparent with the european, and showed himself, I feel free to intervene in our politics, shouts, endorsed biden, do your job.

I was I was that the republican convention, as you were a couple months ago, and I was getting lectured by a few members of the bond sh dog, the german ah congress equivalent conservatives, putative conservatives and they were like, why can you do what raging in that said, you know what there's some problems of that said, like great det GDP or military. How about you start out by spending as much on defense as the american people do? Like why don't are like that? That to me is like what present from and against the whole foreign icy. why? Because the foreign icy likes the dependency model.

of course, but they like the welfare model in the nineteen states. They want people in public housing.

And that's what I ve to the european and is part of my message. European's is like, hey, it's not just your fault. I'm not just castigating you as response for you are it's also are full, especially establish.

But if you look at the message in the american people, it's we don't want more that establishment. And that's again why it's so important to have the right policies. And then we've got the vision. The question now .

is something so the promise for the present elect or the same as they worked in the first um administration, I would say, how do you staff this thing with people who are aligned with you and how do you keep the people who presently occupy every position of power to Operate the the levers power? How do you keep them from from wrecking the project secretly?

yes. And the thing that's different is that the international situation that he's being left with is truly dire. And so there's no room for you know kind of like .

you know sort .

of a delay or .

there's no look to start attacking people. But I just know everybody, as I know you do, they have no no, I mean that people want these jobs in the trump the the second trump s administration and there's no they act like it's one thousand nine hundred eighty.

They have to the different people I think bit, when he said depends of secretary.

I think that would be an amazing.

amazing. I mean, he is there. He was out hustling for the present. He, I mean, we all say, you know what time is is but he's like delivered these memorable lines against pants in the in that debate and then he debated john bolt, I think at vm, I and he was just like he was a very human point.

I saw a segment where is just like you grow up in the being generous on a side john bolton, Frankly but um much so I admired for VC on that point but is is said you grow up in the air of a pool eleven you know when I grew up in the era and he's Younger than I am, the global financial crisis, uh iraq failed wars. No increasingly fractious society at and like you know nobody there's a friend of mine uh who who was interviewed in one of these stories about the new writers to fourth he said nobody under the age of thirty I was a conservative, treats the new conservative idea with anything but division and scorn something like that. And I was just like, i'm confident where things are heading, but we don't have time because if chunk like and i'm not a fanatic on china, right?

Like my view on china is and I think the chinese understand this, my view is we need to be strong. But we also need like in the cold world, there's like a lion and there's we don't cross IT and we need to be able to decouple the thing, get reindeer rial, things light higher and our own instead of are talking about, which is bring back industry, have more autonomy. But at the same time, you there's a line, but we're not going to go in regime change.

There are people who served in the first trumpet administration who are talking about regime change in china, who are talking about primacy over china, like dominating china like that is so dangerous and often are the same people who are supporting, you know, total support of ukraine, which like make zero sense, zero sense, right? So my view is you've got to do the things you're talking about. But you've also got to say we got no advances made, advice person dances made these points very well. Reindeer rial zone is critical, but this can take some time in the meantime, given that the burden team has got used up so much of our weapon and support, we got a husband we have. And again, to me, that is with the purpose of not getting into worse.

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How how could um four stars how could the leadership, the pending on support this?

So my interesting I think again, maybe i'm not too optimistic but like you know idea know I dal with that a lot of four stars when I was there when I worked at the the thing about my job, I was like a sort my formal title was a little bit kind of middle upper middle tear. But basically I was running the strategy. So I had a lot of exposure is kind of Operating above my the sort of Normal level.

So I I got a lot of experience and i've stay in touch with these people. I watch, I watched them. Here's the thing and there's a good kisser.

I don't think was that create of a statement, but I think he was a great writer and sort of observer um he said something like big strategic shifts don't take place just by acts of virtuosity. They reflect underlying trends. And I think you talk to people in the military and I keep in touch a lot.

They know what i'm saying is like common sense from alter people. They know our radio system, they know our defense industrial bases in trouble, they know the chinese are moving like ganging busters, they know the russians aren't a joke. They know we can't afford to get into another big middle ast stern war.

So if you show at the top level, clarity encourage as present trump has in charting the direction in yes, people under him who are genuinely trying to put them in a place. I think if you build that, they will come. And here's the other thing.

Bear in mind that since two thousand and eight um the democrat have been in control almost the whole time and under before that he was the iraq war group so a lot of the people who have made IT to the top of a very flat pyramid they know they know how like here's the thing about the military and you look at people like john Kelly being out there moralizing and calling present trump of fascist, which is like absurd and appropriate and terrible on its face. But it's also like the military. We should respect military service I certainly do especially and people in combats of forth.

But you know, the military, there is careerism. There is promotion people look at for their own interest, IT said. The people at the top of the pyramid often are people who have satisfied the criteria for promotion selection.

That's fine. You know, people respond to incentive, but IT is the most ruthless selection process. And Better in mind, talk about the republic, the army, the the navy and the machine core predate the constitution.

So these are very deeply embed institutions. People live their entire ult lives in the meth. They get to be a four star.

So you got, again, going like a new left thing. Look at IT sociologically. You like, this has gone to have some pathologies, obviously really important institution. But you got like.

but I think at the end of the day, nicely.

But there there are people in there who want to do the right thing, you know, or they can be motivated to do the right. And if they're rewarded for IT, they will go, they will get because a lot of the guys who would have wanted do that, they cash out as a coronal or navy cap in or one star. But if we if we put the the present triumph in his team, I should say they put the right incentives. I think, I think.

I think I will get. And it's just having some my life in dc and just running into the water, living near them. I was always so noticable I but so many great energetic wise I would say kernels yeah but far a few know I can think of one marine to two star I knew marine general who I thought I was so impressive um and says name many colonies wonderful man but didn't meet a lot of other flag officers that I thought we're anything other than politicians.

I think I think i'm sure they exist. I think I think real i'll put in this way most of the real um there there's some lion defense guys. I'll mention a democrat I A lot of respect for a bob work who served in the pentagon on is greg.

I was a marine kernel retired into crap and eva, who is another growing guy and army guy um retired kernel often the guides who are really the highest horse power, real strategic thinking. They cash out at that level because that's what the selection is. Force not to say that other people aren't aren't smart, but like the people that you know.

So notice and there's a mismatch .

between how people think like, oh, you know he has four stars argo he's like a strategy genius. No, that's not how the selection process works. You know mean like they they're promoted for like running a large a core and army core you know or fleet, that's different than that's fine. But let's let's understand what they're in.

Shouldn't the process isn't the point of promotion to when about the less capable .

and things? But I think, hey, how about selecting for winning? You know like I think that as opposed to like you know kind of like playing the game and saying the right things and know we don't know this is the other thing about like I love the meme of mark male and ison hour and their chest like that is so for you could speak for ten hours. And I watch the million in .

that famous, now famous hearing, talking about weight range. I thought, this is a guy who doesn't know, have any idea what he's talking about. He's saying words he thinks he's supposed to say, doesn't seem terribly bright. He seems weak above all, he seems like the product of a bureaucracy to me, which probably shouldn't surprise me I think.

And again, to this pathology point um you like if you read my masters memories for instance, he's almost kind of lecturing the american people about their need to like double defend spending instead in afghanistan until the second coming and it's like it's that touch grass kind of thing.

We're like you don't have political accountants like direct, I mean, Frances, they not only they're not elected but people who are civilian a point he go through political weddings so they have a kind of indirect political accountability, know where they elect. You have to demonstrate loyalty and know are on the team. It's sure you have to be aware of that. The military, they really don't have that sensibly, although I wonder about the left and kind of through the back door importing some of those things. But so so you get to this point where you think that you're like, well, i'm speaking in front of a large group of people because I force our general and it's like actually you really have no standing to talk about that issue at all, you know because that's that's a domestic issue that you like don't have any political finger field for and you're supposed to be much more careful .

in and they have no moral authority, right, to speak about anything like that because they have no authority apart from that granted them by the end. Exactly we've civilian control and the presence or .

comes from voters and body has it's like the audi Murphy guy. The guy did you talk to who are like out there in the fields that flusher whatever they have authority but I always like another guy, Frank machen's y who's out there a lot who's constantly hamming ing these points and like what he was the syncopate er when the afghani an with roll happened and he didn't put his stars on the if if he thought there was a Better way, why I didn't put his stars on the table.

So like why? Like, okay, I mean, I I personally support this afanassy throat believed present trump still this, but IT said that is done terribly, that which I think is clear but it's like, you know you you could say dry ice and I had he was but if you look at like his guilt all speech and if you remember this but like the he unlike mater differences, he had a real feel for the american people's civilian army you know um like they were they were offering the the the award of the city of london he said, I can accept this. I accept this only on behalf of the great human forces he said, you know which is like, yeah it's like regular guys you know and that to me that I try to have that mindset about like, I don't want people to get torn lib from lib in a war with china that we could avoid, let alone another like or or or if visor vaporized in a nuclear explosion with russia. Of course, that means you don't just like do whatever they want. Uh but you've gotten like calibrate that baLance, always thinking about extra present truth said, going back like what's in the concrete interest .

american people um you've referred repeatedly to a potential war with china. I assume not to be over taiwan.

I think yes, I think I wanted be the focal point of what I think is very scary about the chinese. And I don't think the chinese are behaving Frankly. If you apply the way that you were in washing from the period after the collapse, the serbian right or a little bit after right.

but right now I was .

I that I exactly, I know you were. If you apply the same kind of behavior that we exhibited over the the the twenty five to twice a twenty years after that, and you apply that model to a china that is not constrained, that's very scary, right? Like so we just have to apply the same model to them because again, to me is like a conservative.

I don't so to I know what exactly what you're saying, but yes, maybe that's too subtle. Le, yeah, we explain precisely what you're saying.

We went from being in the one hundred and eighties. You had the wine burger doctor present ragan and regan almost getting in peach because he was trying to help just a proxy group with the contrast, because people so afraid of getting another vietnam.

And the biggest thing that he would do would have meetings with the soviet premier on on nuclear weapons, because people like this could happen, and I really don't want that to happen right fast for fifteen years. And we're invading iraq. And as you were, call the people who are biggest fans of invading iraq, the plan was also to go after probably syria and iran. And so fourth, informally.

I worked for those people at all.

you know. So I mean, that was not that was just a starting point.

I'm aware .

of the new .

american century.

The way I interpret that is you're gonna have people like that because we're human beings and that's how we socialized or whatever. And if there's no constraint, no, you would have been like sent to the luni bin in one thousand nine hundred and two if you invade or rock two thousand and three, if you said we shouldn't vade a rock, you were like, even if you were brand scope raft, you were investigated. Oh right.

so and never be abilities, by the way.

interesting. I I mean, I don't know them. I I I I mean that sort of my IT wasn't like.

you know prince coco p got Richard work yeah but respect I mean, he's said those things to his own detriment yeah and .

just on the trinity thing, what I would say is they care a lot about taiwan, but I think it's very clear they're building a military to go beyond iwan. They're building a basic architecture to go, well, be on taiwan. I think that in a sense, almost undisputable.

And I think they have interests to go beyond taiwan. This is what worries me is I actually fear, ironically, that china is living out the lenders theory of imperialism. They need captive export markets for their overproduction, and of course, they need natural resources and other things to import.

And so they have a rational incentive to what the japanese create. The greater stage of prosperity for every empire, formal or informal, is not everyone, but like a lot of them, started out as basically commercial zones, of course. And that's what I were about.

And again, I the good news is I think we can negotiate with china about that. That's why I think present trumps against salote criticism, his willingness to be open to negotiating a deal with present SHE is good because we don't we don't have an implacable hostility arrival. We don't have to change. I hate communism, but like that up to them. And we the last thing I want, as americans dying, trying to impose our former government on them, hopefully that's pretty universal.

But I think I think if we just know, you know, I wants a tough issue because the point i've been making and i've gotten some place from, again, good quarter ers and water journal a last couple months is like i've been saying, we should focus on defending taiwan and they need to step up. They haven't done IT, and we have paradise. So I think taiwan is on the knife edge right now.

Now I think we want to avoid a war with that, if we possible. The president trump has said a war, a attack on taiwan isn't going to happen under my watch. So I think IT absolutely comment upon whoever is working for him to make sure that doesn't happen. Combining a strong shield with a rational defensive policy and kind of political message to china that we've convinces them that, look, you're Better off with peace.

The all street jal .

attacked, yes.

So how the wall state journal kind of be considered the president place where, quote, conservative in all actuals explain their view.

I think they're, I think they're actually in trouble. Honor, say you not read them, but they are so far out of wax. I mean, so on my on the commercial current form policy issues, they are total premises.

They, in the same breath, often theyll say our military in terrible shape. But we need to have aggressive policies. And like four different theatres, makes no sense. It's incoherent right on their way out of step on the conservative republican views on like trade where like light higher or and morons and present or they can stand theyve been repeatedly criticize people like you, like vice president advance. So I feel like i'm honored to be in this company.

Um so it's sort of like, you know, obviously, they reflect a certain part of the american population, which is sort of wealthier professionals who are pretty much more social, the liberal, the selector or new york cathedra. But I think a lot of people read them because they matter, right? But at some point, you get so far to work that you actually become a liability.

You know they were big barkers of nicki Haley and so forth. So you know, I think we need. But then with the rise of new media, I mean, you you've a piece in this, but others and alan and what he's done with x and uh, you know, when David sax and these kind of people, I think there is hope that like not only this is not kind of matter as much, but that may become .

less and less relevant IT seems like the drudge report to me you know you have in your mind that now I mean judges went from what judges of course sold to left winner. They've never been at that I believe that's true um but the austral journal some sense has been also I mean, they don't I don't know people who imagine the wall street ry journalist .

is conservative, haven't attention is real and they can and I thought that was pretty lame and it's .

a really dishonest newspaper and i'm rooting for its device. I just want to say that I mean.

I get what we've seen enough .

institutions destroyed. I just I do think it's really a garbage newspaper and and I wish more people realized that can draw myself. I can draw. So when do you think it'll be clear like who's administering transfer m policy?

I mean, I just I honestly don't know. I mean, it's up obviously up to him, but know what what I would say is I hope he makes you know picks people who will implement the the vision that that he ran on and know you and others have supported him so ably. About as just as sincere ly as an american. I mean, even if i'm not part of IT or i'm dog catch or whatever, I mean that I think if honestly, if if the premises types who could get us in the multiple wars getting there, you're gonna have to get to a more realistic form policy.

Eventually they'll destroy trump. They just people like pum peo who might know personally hate trump. They hate trump. And you know, I don't care what he says.

Blinds y grams, always so great they suck up to among fox news, but they hate, and they working to undermine him. And they did, throughout his four years in office and the four years that followed, they undermine them because they hate him. So I I just hope that there is a new generation in the republican party of people who maybe even also america's interest.

AmErica is the whole point of our government. I think there is a new generation, people in their two thousand and thirties, and very hopeful. I meet, I talk to a lot of them.

What i'm worried about is why don't think there's any I mean, you made IT like and trump is like an exception. But you know, you look at the guy like a vice present, vance. He's only, I think, forty.

yes. You know a lot of the best senators are are much Younger. Look at the banks, know.

Younger guys like and the .

problem is people just naturally like, well, we need somebody to sixty five, whatever. And it's sort like, but I think it's even worse than what you're suggesting because let's say we get a big middle stern war and you have people who are talking about independent iwan or regime change in china or regime change in russia, and we get bog down.

Why wouldn't the chinese attack like just, I mean, of thinking about apply how we behaved the project for new american century style thinking and just think that those people will be in the incentive? Cy, in beijing, the way I think about the suckers, like we're like a heavy weight boxer and china is another heavyweight boxer. Russians like a middle, ie.

And maybe north korea and iran, or like, you know, welter weight are either ways, whatever those guys can, they can tell you you out. And china can call us to a match at anytime, anytime. And if weren't not ready, that is like terrible, you know. And so at that point, we would have to put a more realistic form policy.

But in my view, and this is, I think, a real point, the kind of people read the world return on that page, the point that I would make to them is if we go down this path of aggressive policies and three or four different theatres, the world without the backing, we will end up bloody. And Bruce, we will have catastrophic to feed. Lots of americans will be killed.

And the american people may very well say, i'm done. I'm done. This is, you know, all the role is based in national order. This is what IT LED to forget about IT. And that if you want to save IT, if you want to save something like, I think I think mine is like the reform rather than the radical, a pavo mind is like, hey, no, I believe in the post war.

I just don't believe in the post one thousand eighty nine absurd hubris going around the people yeah we can not the cold war that and I keep going back to you but just like I just think it's like to send them a conal talk about isn't all the time and I I thought that if there were your stripes in europe the end of the nineteen fifty was a failure. He is the one who came up with the uncle socket line not present from. So you want to talk about the cold, where legacy we were pretty ruthless.

You know, the germans attacked us in the lush. The japan's attacked us in eighty forty one, and we let the soviet do the bulk of the fighting. And we put germany first one because, and i'm glad, as a descent of people who are in the european theater Operations, i'm glad that the soviet, but George shouts when he went and dealt with his counterpart, he went, he visit.

He wrote about this very movingly. He went to the cemetery, an lenny, and he offered a somber salute. And I had the honor to meet the child's couple times. And this was not a, you know, he's he has a strong views and so forth, but I think you can respect that, you know and and understand that we can be hard nose and look at your opponents and say we don't want to war.

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What happened to all .

the bush people? You are here for that? Not just the president bush, his family are pretty clear for common haris. But but all the people who staff that administration to all them still buy those ideas. Those twenty old ideas are, have any camera to your position?

It's a, it's a great question because I know a lot of things like you. I like a lot of them. You know someone, no, I admire some.

I don't admire others. And people are going. A lot of them put flags in the ground with the foolish and in appropriate never trump letters in twenty sixteen.

And their kind of their hands were bit tired. So I don't know how they would behave in a vacuum. I think you see sort of various stages of reef.

I mean, various people kind of adapting in different in different ways or not adapting. Some people are kind of and reconstructed. Some are kind of like resign to where things are going.

Um you know what's funny about the bush? I mean, I know I can remember this part of an idea, but I remember like bush ran on a more humble foreign icy I know you I mean actually what trump saying is not that radical different from the kind of bushby which was against the crusading progressive M A bill clinton now he end up totally abandon that unfortunately at his eternal discredit um and in a sense he he was a progressive he he was armed progressive is and bill cycle is let's let's fight the end of history basically which is like that's not in any way and and I mean conservative i'm not thought like Angel dancing the head of openness. It's not common sense, right?

Um but I think I think a lot of those people, it's probably it's going to be hard to incorporate them. You know that of two and I know sociologically again, it's they're invested in, in the old model. And so I think we're going to need the trouble is that all the credentials been on that site. And so of IT, almost all of IT. I mean, i'm not to making any myself, but like i'm rare and I was I was teetering on the maybe passing over to the edge of respectability or whatever the mainstream is, you know, for years and you know, I think what what I find the encouraging tucker is I and this is where, I mean, we can say you you .

went to gotten in harvard OK.

yes. Well.

so are you the only person in the world you went to go at in harbor for Donald trump?

You know, I don't think so. Actually, my grand a roma was indicated that I think there are a few others. I mean, I know, but I am okay.

So you got me. I I know people say that sometimes I think about youtube. It's like you're from the background. How can you not support? I like the leaders supposed to work forward the public interest.

And by the way, that was the model teddy rosel t was behind the founding of gotten school, which I went there. I have very fond memories. A lot of people who associated with that hate don't thrum but everything I proudly support him. But I think the whole point that is too sure, you know, this service is perfect freedom. The idea is, public service is putting the interest of the public ahead and so I to be honest, I find the current establishing look at morning joe or something and i'm like, this is not what amErica deserves OK.

So I have the same perspective and I would see more brought the identical perspective and I would say that nobody reforms um the system who doesn't understand this .

is and you're have a .

tEddie rose about saved .

capital in the united tes by restraining was hated .

by his peers by restraining the monopoly exactly. And the only reason he was able to do that was because he was pushing back against I i'm rather saying I think it's essential the understand jd vans hated trump. One T.

L. Law school started going up to the aspin institute to speaking in the summer from people they are. So polices has become their nightman because he knows who they are. I did know what David Brooks many times.

He's anyway, totally, totally, and I think like, and I think like that know, I love this, this clip of maggy good lander getting called out by this. We should be chAllenged, if you like, anybody should be subject to chAllenge. And that was so great about like x and poca you could win, I think so i'm not sure and i'm like not picking on her particularly, but like you know this a fair point.

But I mean my my view is and is apparent as the other woman I think was an I think she's her famous from china. But you know even under mw I mean the ultimate um a galitzin system. There is an assumption there is an elite, right? And of course huge in pain is .

a product that dogs create you always to have higher key. So the question is not, do you have a ruling class? You're getting a ruling cause you have a good ruling class or do you have jack Sullivan and tony blinking? That's the thing.

And I don't want to crack too much of a river here. But like they are the establishment and they act so in like a sociological conservative way. They're all going to leave office and they're all going to get great jobs on wall street and they're all gonna to law firms and whatever.

And the people who are taking on the established and are taking the sink in eros and hopefully metaphorically alone. But to me, that's the point that's that's what you're supposed to do. If you if know is the bible says to how much is given enough much is expected.

I strongly agree with that.

and I think you are model of that honestly.

And I know you believe I by the media city and selfish stupidity of a ruling class that I just can. And I don't care if they kill me, I will never stop find.

But koby, i'm rooting .

for you pervan tly. I just wanted to make sure everyone knows who you are and what you think this process is taking place privately, as IT has to. But I also think that people who voted for trump because they want a common world, they don't want united states or him to be destroyed in wars.

I think they should know what's going on. So I hope this provides all sunlight. Thank very. Thank you. Thanks for listen in the touch of cross and show. If you enjoy IT IT, you can go to talk to cross in that calm to see everything that we have made the complete library, cross dock.