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We are casting about for a video montage of clips that best sum up the force in the amount of institutional lying we in this country have endured over the past three or four years, and there were so many to choose from. But in the end we settled on this because IT subbed IT up pretty nicely.

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So again, we couldn't chose many different topics to remind you of how much lying you've had to live through over the past several years. That just seem like the most obvious and in some ways, the most salaried. But what's really interesting about IT is how the people around you responded.

A very large percentage knew IT was false because the evidence suggests overwhelmingly that IT was, but went along with that anyway on the grounds that it's not even worth fighting back against people that powerful saucers go on with. That some small percentage actually believed that, and you learn something sad about them, which is that they are gradualist, in some cases not super genius. But there wasn't even smaller person who decide will wait a second.

No, that's not true. And you can't make me say it's true. Under no circumstances will I knowingly lie because it's immoral and IT diminishes me.

And by repeating your alias, I revealed myself not as a free person or citizen, but is this save? But i'm not going to do that period. And IT was watching those people emerged from the most unlikely places.

In many cases, that was the thrill, and has been the ongoing through enjoy of living in this otherwise very sad moment in one of the people we watch to do that someone be honest didn't expect to see but none we did but kept doing IT um to a lot of abuse uh and that was knew me, my wolf who spent in the public fear for thirty five years anyway um writing and commenting on various things um and she's when people decided not i'm not going to say something I think is not true period and so she's lived the last few years of her life like that and she's the author of a new book about what that experienced is like and husband is called facing the beast courage, faith and resistance in a new dark age kind of some set up and we are honored to ever here in the studio and me will thank you so much for coming. So what's so interesting, as I said, is the effect that this moment, and is not just a public health story, I don't think, but this moment of of lying has had on certain people. So can you just tell us, in broad terms, when you started to realize this was happening, what effect IT had on you and what your life has been like?

Sense sure. And thank you for that .

kind of for art felt thank you.

Um well I realized the whole culture was lying um by about july of twenty twenty because luckily um for me uh i'd written book called the end of amErica in two thousand and seven drink the bush junior era and which by the way that mission .

I never even consider reading that book because I was like doing well on the other side. This is probably stupid and that just shows how stupid I was anyway.

I started just wondering it's like we were all wearing blinders yes, about ideology at that time, probably shall recently. But um the reason was lucky that I had gone through that is that I had looked uh for my research for that book at times and places through the history where a fragile democracy had been undermined and there had been a coup, essentially whether by fascist forces on the right or to text arian forces on the left. Yeah I learned that um tyrants always do the same ten things. They took ten steps to closing an open society. So from having done that research, I saw quickly when governor coro announced that we couldn't meet with more than six people at once in our homes in new york's state and you know, we couldn't assemble to pray um I realized we are IT stepped in, which is martial lots emergency and well fast forward and they jump to over all the other nine steps and I I realize how dangerous that was because once you have emergency law anything can happen um and then when I realized that I personally um was being um I don't know, damaged a by powerful forces for not lying. That was um a year later, pretty much a june of twenty twenty one when I was doing what i've done for three, five years which is reporting on a woman's health issue yeah um i've written three best sellers about women's sexual and reproductive health is not a new beat for me no no and so I was um reporting on twitter that women were reporting eyewitness account of themselves that they were having menstrual deregulation or symptoms upon receiving the mra injection which had at that point rolled out. And I literally just accurately reported this and said something like IT bears more investigation and I was overnight all at once that was a very traditionary deep platform from twitter, from facebook, from youtube but also all the newspapers out and news outlets where i'd been at commentator communist for thirty five years um RAM pieces smiling me and saying I was no spreading misinformation and I was in I vector and my wikipedia page changed overnight which I now understand Better because I didn't understand the role of A I at that pointed journalism and basically I became one person on the left I was kicked out overnight from my comfortable pure, you know, in the liberal elite media that turned out to be a .

blessing in disguise occupied since like eighty well yes.

No IT had been i'd been like, I don't know if you can say you you know i'd been a fixture of that world.

You are a lifetime members yeah no I got .

know where I was. I agree with you um and so that was extraordinary because people who had sought me out for my opinion wouldn't wouldn't even not take my calls. They were like threading my reputation.

I was people you knew .

yeah people I knew, colleagues, friends. I mean, IT was a whole sale because because not only had I done the bad thing of questioning the the vaccines, we're just reporting on accurately on a real symptom, which turns out to be a very important symptom. Because if you've got mental deregulation in twenty twenty one, you're gonna have what we now have, which is the thirteen to twenty percent drop in live birds, according to government database, throughout the west in twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four.

But I did the bad thing of talking to conservatives because after I got kicked out of the lib media, interestingly, very interestingly to me, the people who didn't want to hear what I had to say because they cared about women and babies and families were. And so Steve ban ne had me on his show and I was very happy to speak him because this was a very important problem that women were facing and um of course you not allowed to speak to Steve vana. I talk to you in twenty twenty one and media matters went you know full on attack because I talked to you about this very important problem affecting women and babies.

And I was just surreal to meet the people who prompted to be feminists and egalitarian ans and to care about women. You we're very happy to throw this holistic under the bus. Um if you kind of cross this red line that society had erected kind of overnight where you know there were things you not exposed to question people .

are supposed to talk to.

how shocked were you by this? I was very shocked. I mean, I knew that my side had become increasingly um ideologically rigid and a extreme and irrational in some ways like I saw the kind of mission creep of of from liberalism to you know kind of workers and I hate that phrase but no other there's no Better phrase but I still thought, you know we talk about this from time to time you have yeah the chance to talk it's like I still thought that world existed in which if you're in the news business you report facts, you know and and if you're in the media, you can have opinions um and that that world was gone and we were living in kind of installing and reality very quickly.

What did that due to your personal life? Because obviously nothing. You know we didn't live in the country. This politically charged or polarized ten years I was so political. And if you were identified with the left, most of your friends were on the left and I mean, I was still IT was that way in the nineteen I remember so did this mean the end of your personal .

relationships? A lot of them, sadly. Um I mean i'm very lucky that I have a husband who is very courageous and he's also a soldier. He's been in he's he's a veteran and he's been a lot of scary situations.

And so he understood very early on that this was a war and because he studies china, he understood that you know there were forces that we're trying to subvert our country in non conventional ways um and that helped me because I gave me a frame to to understand what was happening. But IT was incredibly painful. One of my best friends left the country without saying goodbye because he was disappointed in my position on vaccines.

Literally my position was here are some facts that are emerging. It's like that was my position um let's see my we were not invited to thanksgivings we had Christmas of twenty twenty one um maybe I was twenty twenty two president biden gave his famous um it's going to be a winter of severe disease and death unvaccinated. We are looking at a winter of severe elements and that invacare for themselves, their families and the hospital with well soon overwell and we have had you know Christmas vacation with a lot of loved ones planned and IT all got cancelled.

You know, because everyone was in a state of of fear, because that the president on down was saying at that point that you know, and vaccine people, little people who are trying to warn people about some of the decide effects that we're emerging were dangerous dissidents who were Carrying plague in no amount of of reason would would break through um but yeah there were a lot of very painful endings of friendships and as I wrote in facing the beast, IT wasn't just on the kind of rejecting side, right. I wasn't just on the receiving end. I I was witnessing the creation overnight, especially by twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two in new york city, where most of my friendships were and most my colleagues wear. But also in washington, the creation of a two tier society, exactly along the same lines as a gym cross society. Or you know, during the occupation, france, when you use.

couldn't go .

certain places exactly. And and all these people who were so right on, who were leaders in the feminist movement, you know, who had never discriminate against people of color or against people in the L G B, T, Q. Community who opposed discrimination, embrace discrimination.

They were fine with IT. They were fine with the city, the greatest on earth, the most diverse si on earth, you famous melting pot city, new york city. They were fine with the situation which and vaccine people had to eat in the street like animals. I could not walk into a restaurant with my family.

And they were fine with IT. And then having uber eats delivery men of color, brave the pandemi C2Bring the m sus hi lik e tha t.

right? They didn't see any. Um they were not ashamed. They were not ashamed of massive discrimination.

They were I mean, I remember going to a big rally, one of the earliest ones in new york city, on behalf of first responders who were being fired because they would not take these man dated, totally experimental injections whose trials were still under way till l twenty twenty three, right? This was twenty twenty one. And there was no evidence that they were safe.

They were experimental IT was an emergency youth authorization ation. They had not gone through the Normal lefty approval process and reasonably enough, some firefighters and police officers, emergency um health care workers didn't want to be the guinea pigs and they were being fired. Their kids had no you know food to eat.

They do know how they would pay their mortgages. And I remember going down to speak at this event, and I looked out over the sea of new york city firefighters and police officers and and people who come and save you when you've got a heart attack, you know, empt responders. And I was like, where are my? Where's where? Where's everyone from my world? They're all supposed to be here.

These people help them. You know, no one shoot up. All the good liberals were fine, having the the police officers and the firefighters who would save them if they were being robbed or their houses on fire, or their kids were in a burning building.

These guys and girls would run in to save their children. My peers were fine letting this be done to them. And IT was so illative and so disgusting. So your mind must .

have exploded IT was .

so hard to process and IT wasn't just like a handful he was a mass IT was like everyone was in a cult and and IT was a cult of um in which they were abandoning all the ideals that they had professed and that I admired why I was A A liberal as we don't do things like that. You know we don't sacrifice whole classes of people but I guess we did.

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Train doctor near you. Why do you think you were in the tiny person? You wouldn't go .

along with that? That's a hard question. I mean, I guess, well, i've never got along with anything you know that shouldn't be gone long.

Yeah I know feeling but .

I guess i'm like you didn't get that far .

in the girls counts is what you think .

they would have had. But I think i'm lucky for a few reasons. I mentioned how great I was like a lot of marriages ended during this time and I had someone .

beside me who man.

I know i'm so so lucky that we're very lucky, but also my grandmother, a fag lman made, whether he is less her um SHE was an absolute um SHE believed in this country he was a patriot. Her mom was, you know, a sixteen year old russian immigrant and you know, i'm the daughter and granddaughter immigrants. And SHE just fiercely believed in this country, and SHE SHE didn't put up with bullies.

And so I guess he just raised me to be aware of when this country was wearing away from freedoms of speech, or, you know, democracy and liberty. H, that's what, you know, my family had fled the hours and know fled germany on the other side of the family to to escape. So I recognized IT, you know, the sense of IT, the stench of fashion and talith ism. But you share .

that with probably five dozen other people I know are almost that exact family story in in a history of principal non conform m, which I have always admired. And none of them went to the first responders protest. So he does no, i'm not attacking. I would just, but is interesting that IT still doesn't quite explain why you wound up and in in the place that you did.

I understand that i'm believing in and behaving according to values i've always had. I don't understand why people around me who profess the same values um turned all at once. I mean, they were being heavily propagandized .

yeah you know but these are and I want you to be, these are smart people and there certainly .

caused people I know, I know I I can't explain IT. I mean, you know you i'm sure where are of doctor Michael nails book totonac brain and I I think some of IT is that you know I can only speculate tucker but people were isolated and um as I wrote in my last book, the body's other's isolation is a way to break down prisoners and is a form of torture and IT changes the brain and so people who were isolated and being propagandize nonstop that you know we are the ones endangering everyone or those first first responder who can fax needed there.

The ones endangering everyone, they believed that you should fire the first responders because they're endangering of, yes, you know everyone was lying at that point from the top down. The cdc was implying or stating that vaccination stops infection. Um Rachel metz said that you know the virus stops when you're vaccinated, as I recall.

I mean, I don't have exact words in front of me. The president was saying, if you get vaccinated, IT stops the virus. All the language employed that we were, the ones endangering everyone, endangering children, endangering grandma.

So it's a very deep onic set of lies, tucker, because people who you, through the first responders and firefighters and police officers under the bus, or the soldiers and sailors, did so believing that we were the ones harming society and that they were being good, and that also, by submitting themselves to these injections, they were, you know, so, I mean, that was the language. The language was actually yale was where they did the focus groups. They took the money from H.

H. S. And they did the focus groups, finding out the the propaganda bullet points that liberals respond to most.

And they were altruistic. They were like, you know, do the right thing for society. Okay, here, you know, they levered your .

best qualities and those are a person's best qualities. Altruism is your best quality. And they they took that and use IT against us.

Yeah but also like I get this point in my kind of this will happen internal monogue. And then I think just like you, these are smart people. Read a book.

of course, like you. And the reason pressing on this is because I don't know the answer myself. And i've been brooding on IT for a couple years now, I suspect is a more core variable.

I think I may have to do with how healthier your personal life is. I do think that people I know who add healthy marriages, you know, respectful, happy, those people were less acceptable. Yeah, but I don't know. So while all of this was going on, and I remember very well watching a lot of surprise as you went from being, you know, kind of a celebrated person to being an enemy in watching C A controlled wikipedia raight that into history, your sense wondered, like is, are any of your friends reaching out to you offline privately to say i'm .

with you is Better than that. I mean, no one will ever, no one has ever said I behaved to bomb inability.

I'm so so no one persons ever said that one.

No, however, however, I mean, this is so heartbreaking there. I mean, I don't want to, like, throw my friends under the bus, but what the the form IT take this, what will happen to me? Typically, i've started to be invited back to some of the parties that I got dramatically excluded from.

And I go because I want build bridges and, you know, heal society. And certainly, I mean, not like I don't go back with emotions, but I go back and i'll just be standing there and people will come up to me without even introducing themselves, tell me their symptoms. They'll say I have black cuts in my legs.

My grandfather just passed from triple heart attack. They'll just share their systems. And so I feel like if you like, people are waking up and I don't need an apology, I don't because this isn't about me, it's about something much more important. But I feel like if society will ever heal that emerging awareness that something had a strophe hic happened, um people have to understand that something canasta hic happened in order to heal. And I do see that happening.

He does feel like an individual level. I also hear that because I wasn't the accident said so. And so maybe people feel comfortable if they know we know where you stand on that.

And i'm not very judge, so ll even listen. But I have not heard one acknowledged outside of interviews of the people. But more broadly, society. Why don't haven't heard any public official even refer to IT? No.

no. In fact, there is a section facing business that goes into that. It's it's like the phrases move on. You know, when you go back to broke liner to new york now the you know those eec circles where the circles where the cultures being produced or even where politics is being produced to accept you know the the outside figures with him my talk to these days um the consensus is almost like this massive amnesia or um ably like germany after no in thirty six.

Like let's just move on, let's not discuss IT like there's a section fees in the beast to are going to a bookstore in brooklin you know good one um jack mali. And there's like not a book by the experts on racial disparities in education about Brown and black children being left behind for two years and falling back academically in ways that are unlikely to recover in their lifetimes. There's no from feminists.

There's not a book about how women lost all the games they made in the workforce because they had to go home and look after children who are chained to computers. You know, the doctors, the health section. Nothing about the vast documentation now of the injuries and sterilization and deaths resulting from these mr.

Injections are nothing about treatments. And the people like Robert rush, you know, don't talk about the biggest transfer assets in living history. As you know, small, small businesses, small land lords couldn't compete, had to close their shops, had to you know sell their properties off at fire sale Prices. Blackrock and vanguards scooped up the properties.

And you know now we have society sorry.

exactly exactly, exactly yet and all the liberal economists are not talking about that at all. Not a work. Um and so weirdly, i'm having the most important conversations of my life with libertarians and conservatives and independence because the whole societal superstructure won't process what happened because they were complicated.

Yes, they are implicated .

or and and legally implicated .

but it's also the great liberation of the only liberation of your life is admitting how wrong you were, how load some you've been saying that out loud is to be freed from IT. So I just feel like a lot of people, millions people, are missing the opportunity to be much happier than they've ever been when you just say I did this and i'm sorry, it's right.

I think so. But um you know you asked earlier why did so many people go along with a great crime and in a massive lie and you know one of the things we haven't talked about the in my observation distinguishes between that people who could tell and here the truth and those who went on with this massive line and crime is is this religious .

faith you and so if .

you believe.

I don't think religiously faith is possible and less or any kind of personal growth. But religious faith is not possible unless you admit screw up.

you are totally. But if you don't really have a very deeper religious faith.

you don't think you have to do interesting.

yeah.

So how? okay. So I wanted to that one of mean things I wanted to talk about about how this changed you as a person because you can't go through something that transformative. I mean, I don't think this was on your like a list of potential future events like lose all my friends, wind up with Steve banned like what so why did that affect you as a person?

Um which part the whole .

experience? So like you in two thousand and twenty four, how are you different from the way you were in two thousand nineteen?

Well I mean one huge difference. I think a lot of us who are colleagues on this journey you know feel the same way the scales have fAllen from our eyes, right about so many things, but but about every institution. You know, in two thousand and nine, I thought hospitals were places where doctors would heal people.

They have become became death factories for bonuses. You know, they were prescribing killer medication to to get those bonuses. I'm sure your audience is familiar. Yes, it's been done on that.

I thought that, you know, I mentioned that the media told the truth and they were willing to take the money from the billions in the gates foundation and then from the cares act to lie, you know to overcome vaccine and hesitantly to lie and lie and lie and to smear people who were telling the truth. Um I mean, we could go on and on, you know the the presidency congress, I mean. Everyone in around the world, right IT, especially the west, that was targeted by these lies and by this global coup.

I don't think that's an overstatement. Um all of those institutions didn't work. Only a few people uh resisted in all of our major institutions, the educational system in the universities, you know, I went to because they were Mandating these shots for the kids, a booster.

The the staff was exempt. The administration was exempt, the faculty was examined. And I knew for sure that they were going to cause some hard damage to the Young men and some reproductive damage to the Young women and the Young men.

And um they took more money from H H S. Then they take from um tuition. So they don't need the students are they're trafficking the students bodies. In effect, they don't need the students as much as the on my mother wow, I know. So again, like one institution after another just exploding and collapsing when IT comes to basic ethics or basic professional obligations, you know um so I guess that's a difference between well.

stupid, that raises kind of the core questions like all the fittings that you believe in, you can no longer believe in. So what do you believe in?

Um well, well, all of those insights were shocking me with how corrupt everything was that we really have to rebuild from the ground up, right? It's not it's not redeemed, right? I mean, you look at canada, you are just in canada, if they've got a death program and they're advertising death to depress teenagers, that is not a redeemable situation.

Um so you know we I think we're a time in which we have to a you know understand that it's seventy and seventy four again, seven hundred and seventy five, seventy and seventy six and rebuild all these institutions from the ground up in a in a way aligned with our, I would say divine mission on this planet as americans yes um and people around the world to have the same divine mission to to build. Um I mean, I think democracy is kind of sacred and so when you have freedom, you have a sacred space in alignment with our human mission to kind of walk with god appropriately. So I think we we just need to rebuild all of IT from the grounds up.

And I guess to to finish answer to your question, a difference between the way I saw the world done in the way I see the world now is I know that parable whose you know who's who's my brother right? Um the people I thought where my brothers and sisters are, not my brothers and sisters, and my brothers and sisters are people from all walks of life. Many conservatives, many libertarians. People have faith people not of you know conventual faith, but who care about their fellow human beings. And it's a beautiful time as well as being a horrific time because these people are finding each other and starting to build new institutions.

I feel that so strongly. That is a beautiful time and it's so important. Not like the sadness that watching everything you love eye blind you to the things that are being born right in front of you.

Would your two thousand nineteen self have used the phrase walk with god? god? And it's not just liberals. I don't I don't know many educated you know college educated conservatives who would have used that phrase either. So what changed in you that you're .

comfortable using that well? And this is something I I write about I in facing the beast, when I considered what I was seeing with all the heads of state of countries around the world, walking lockstep in a way, in an anti human assault against citizens. right? I mean, the lock down's targeted everything that's best about us as human beings.

Yes, prayer, singing, family, intimacy, physical ysp touch, physical contact, community, right? All of that was targeted when I saw that happening around the world in identical language at all. At the same time, I I realised that that was not from my study of history.

That's not possible by just human history, like human history doesn't work that way. Yes, there are always um know dissidents were in insight, right? Or they're always factions or rich people can be bribe .

always make you know hitler's situation .

was mess here all in very messy.

stolen like my gosh war for five years. Yes.

but you don't get lockstep evil all over the world in concert with merely human efforts. And I also just felt that the world had something new let loose on IT IT. Just felt like these dark forces had been let loose that had not been on the planet.

The same thing .

my whole life, and I, I, I saw that this was evil, right? I saw that IT was like, so impressive, that IT was beyond human capacity, and that IT was evil that was so impressive. And so I concluded that I believed that god and god, more literally than I had, because the evil aimed him was more literal than I i'd ever witnessed before. So I must be aimed at something that really exists. And so you .

think of came out from a photographic .

negative initially, initially. But then I also asked myself, what is this evil and I have always been interested in evil like is the granddaughter of of people who lost siblings and the holocaust know you think about evil um so the explanations that are around like it's satan that didn't wasn't satisfying to me partly because I knew the literary um creation evolution of the idea of seat in the west which is kind very elaborated by daunt and milton and also because i'm jewish and we don't have the same discourse around seta shows up once or twice but he's not the same figure of like magisterial evil in the old teston um so I read a book by A A jewish writer who became a messianic je meaning he believes in jesus called JoNathan khan and it's called the return of the god's and while I don't believe everything in the book is this is made emotional sense to me which is he argued that we've we in the west but especially we in amErica have kind of released are hold on the covenant with god um and when we do that we leave the parable he he cited was from the new test stand about the the room that's empty and then seven demons come inhabited you know it's all a metaphor, but it's also not a metaphor that when we did this IT allowed these negative entities, uh to kind of reoccupy us in our society.

And he he talked about actual Price Christian like early entities, the ones that my people in the he bo byo were fighting IT against her, you know, always been tempted by. And that's a moloch, which is just violence, and bottle, which is just pure power, and a study which is of the kind of unlicensed, a anti family sexuality, right? Like irresponsible sexuality.

And that actually resonated with me because not like, literally, oh, there here, but like, what if you know that story? And he do bible about people being seduced away all the time by these powerful forces, wanted them to sacrifice their children and wanted to destroy their families. What if that was really real in the story of, you know, first the the tent commandments come to earth, and then the story of this redeemer and jesus in the new testament ing to earth?

What if that did bring some no moral beauty in order to the world in a way that kept those forces at bay? And then what if? And then look at, like european history, everything is concentrated in american history too. Sant Angelo, santo, barbra, you know, all of these places are concentrated. We were a city on a hill.

What if that was a real, you know, and what if when we stopped caring about concentrated our societies, our land, and we stop doing our part in just living morally or trying to live morally, IT does allow this vulnerability in which these horrible forces can just come in and and flip all these institutions. And I saw this happening overnight. All these institutions devoted to good things like hospitals in school, were overnight devoted to their mirror image, you know, grooming children, harming children, suffocating children with masks. We talked about the hospitals.

What if? What if there's truth that there is a certain safety we have as a society when we concentrate ourselves in our society to a hire? good.

Well, I mean, it's it's the story of history though. I mean, i'm i'm not quite done with the old testament. I've been reading IT streight room to Jeremiah for the first time, but IT seems to me that is, I mean, is that the whole, the whole narrative so far is we have this deal.

And when you strain from the deal, you don't have my protection anymore. The baby onions sweepin the temples destroyed twice for those reasons I mean, that's what IT says. yeah. And so it's not a new idea at all. You're not describing anything modern you're describing like the story of the last .

five thousand years. Tuck, er, you're exactly right. I mean, I thought I was educated, read the bible.

I had I I want to color right but with .

of us with our expense educations, we're never given that book just began to end for a class and and I am fortunately that I read hebrew and and I also I ad cool it's lucky not perfectly but I I can and um also I can read uh sixteen century typography because of an arcane class.

I took once at oxford for my mid but point is i've been reading the geneva bible, which is the founders of bible um IT predates the kingdoms bible and it's the bible that created the reformation, created the pure to movement and it's very much more closely translated from the hebrew than any subsequent bible and that I ve at. And this has been so amazing to me because what you just said, like it's just all layout that's it's totally layout, right? You know he brew and in the geneva bible, here's and it's not like punitive, but it's there's a social contract between us and he just keeps explaining IT like .

so many times, that's what strikes me. I'm not reading this. Anyone else was reading alone had no input on my conclusions. I just wanted read. He was there. But the main thing that sticks out as the repetition I mean over and oh like ten thousand times like this look is really simple, you know and I don't really quite know to make of that, but it's not a new concept. It's concept.

It's the concept and here's another mind doing thing if we're diving right in there. Um in the original hebrew and in the faithful translation of the gene of bible, the figure, the character of god, is totally different than later this translations of standard bible that we read in the west, in english, totally different. He's not.

I was taught that god is irrational, arbitrary, kind of cruel. You can understand them different, distant from human beings, different from human beings in the original. He's so like us, loves us, keeps trying to help us get IT right super stable.

Nothing's too small for his concern um shows up and he just keeps being written that aspect of his character keeps seeing written out of later translations like almost i'm not going to say intentionally but systematically. And the other thing is you don't need a middle man in the original. It's like gods right there know how gar is cast out into the sands with her you know, she's a slave woman with her baby.

SHE goes away from the baby because he doesn't want to watch her little son die. And there's god you know right there or Jacob is trying to is about to cross the river, he's about to face his brother. They've had a deadly relationship with each other in the past um his families at risk.

And it's not an Angel who restless with Jacob. That is a misprint lation. It's god preparing him for this confrontation with his brother over and over.

God is written out in later iterations, and the role of the middle man is stressed, right? The priest or moses, you. And so later translation serve religion.

But they're not accurate. They don't depict god accurately if we read these bibles. And this is why the purse were so confident, why the, you know, the early reformers were so confident.

We would never fear, because you know where god's children. And he makes its super clear. But he also is like, here's how i'll protect you do these simple things. If you don't do these simple things, terrible things will happen. And is you say that the story over and over.

again and again and and again and again, various figures in the bible facing some very, very parrelel moments. I mean, the amount of kind of scary scenes and violence is like all totally shocking to me, right?

Isn't not interesting that that's pretty much not read in churches and snake X.

I ve never heard. I wanted a physical churches in my whole life, and I never heard any of IT like any of IT. I don't know how that I.

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couple of my whole life.

So orthodox choice read, yes, the text and they're on fire.

No, that's totally right.

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But if we, I think this text is so subversive and extraordinary, revolutionary in its original form, no one would do the things that they do if they read the original text, and they would .

feel so to the conversations I hear about religion. And totally, again, i'm reading this alone. So maybe i'm missing the .

whole thing or maybe you're getting the whole because it's very simple because when you read IT alone, it's very simple, right?

I think IT is unremarkable, but the number of times god tells various players and these stories, you you can hear the hoof beats in the distance. They're going to come in and and burn everything and take everyone away to captivity, to slavery. Don't be afraid.

Don't be afraid. Has IT had that effect on you? Are you less afraid .

reading for sure? really? Yeah.

I love that because there's a lot to be afraid afraid now, especially if you're spending your life as you are looking at the details and getting a sense of the scale of what happened, right.

Well, I married my body guard. So so i'm not physically afraid for that reason even though it's a very pretty ous scary time for dissidents. But I mean, I understand why people of faith aren't scared because this guy in the original, this being, you know, i'll take care of IT um maybe not here, right but this is all there is like maybe we don't know the big picture right where we are, but for sure where I feel now reading this, i've for sure what everyone, every individual is held in palm of god. And in god cares so much about every single person, every single person's fate, and is so sad when we you know stray from this very simple, easy part that he wants us to works that we can be close to him right? So um yeah I think the most courageous people I know now in this time of seventy and seventy six, I believe this because they can get hurt ultimately.

Does IT set your own? Just extraordinary and unexpected like this is true for all of us. All of our life passes extraordinary, unexpected. But does IT set set IT into a kind of context maybe for you?

Oh, that's such a an interesting question. You mean where we born for such a time as this?

Yeah .

mean um kind of I mean, some really scary things happen to me in my life in the past and I didn't understand why. And now I think, well, i'm really not very scared because i've been through scary things. And you know, the White house doesn't scared me.

Yeah, dh doesn't scare me. Apart from that, I don't know, because that would presume kind of fate. And I I do believe in fate, but I also believe in free will. And I haven't. I figured .

that me I grab, thinking that i'm from something of funny. So I thought calvinism was like the most ludicrous thing i'd ever heard. And I was very offended by the concept of calvinism. And then I watched other people's lives and had some perspective of my own life.

And I I started to kind of suspect that freewill wasn't the whole story because I have known good people who have really suffered this proportionately and through no fault them, they're not the sum of their own choices. Actually, there's something else going on here. And I have also known people who don't deserve to try who have so it's obviously we're complicated than my eighth grade formulation accounted for, right? But I don't know the answer to the question.

But I mean, people who don't deserve to thrive. But do I mean, one thing i've become very sure of is that you know, we are accountable and you know for everything that we do, that there will be a time when we are you face to face with our creator and we will have to account for what we said and did. Like, I don't mean a punitive way, but like this is, this is my life record. This is what I did on my one opportunity on this earth. And that's partly why I know that I would rather face whatever, you know, being kicked of a cottage parties are called names or whatever on this planet, and face god and say, I stood by, well, babies were killed and women were rendered in further you know, that would scare me, right? Um so I do believe that all of us are gonna have that moment and not in a punitive way but like we bring the sum of our actions with us, you know, back home essentially and if I think if people really understood that they would want to behave in a way aligned with god's will, which is a very nice friendly will if you read the he tribal or the ribble it's like not that hard to be a good person um rather than Carry with them uh any crime, theft, you know moral lapse, uh selfishness, ignorant um hatred kinds of things, people are happy to Carry on this life as long as they're doing well externally.

I mean, I assume prayer was not part of your daily life ten, fifteen, twenty years ago.

or maybe I was not really, again, like not in a way that was really integrated with my conscious cell.

How do you approach now?

How do you think about that? I have concluded that you know that that prayer is a weapon, I mean a good one, but that IT makes a difference in the world, that IT, that IT does things in the world. And for me, what little I understand about this metaphysical realm, prayer isn't um like I was taught.

You have to say to god, you are so great, you are so powerful. You and I like what kind of god is that that needs us to be like? You are so awesome. You know that's not very god like um but I think it's the other way around um I think that when we pray, that helps us like know when we train or when we you know run a marathon or when we go to the gym. It's like we're when we pray were in a state in which we are able to get closer god in all of a relationship with god and and that that's for us and then that makes us stronger as a result.

Is IT a hard discipline to pick up or a hard practice to start? Well.

I really thought IT was because I felt very stupid and self conscious.

of course, looking to go yes um but I think .

that's the weird blessing of these horrible three years is that what I witnessed i'm skipping over apart, which i'll share bit. What I was witnessing was so horrific IT was like opening the gates of ousted z in one thousand forty five I mean but beyond that because the scale um because what what what haven't talked about is that in the middle of these years i'm describe being um a project got started up actually Steve baLance recommendation that we convene what became thirty two hundred and fifty doctors and scientists to go through the visor documents that were released under court order um when the fda loss to lawsuit the fda had asked the court to keep them in for seventy five years and these doctors and scientists so distinguished issued what are now ninety four reports explaining and very plane english what's in the documents and report after report brought forward such unbelievable criminality in intentional, systematic crimes against humanity and against, you know, babies and babies in utero and, you know, women and men and children, that I was overwhelm, that such an evil thing could have happened and so I had no choice but to pray because I don't think I could have kept working on this .

material what was the effect on you of brain?

That's such a good question. Well, nothing's are scary.

right? yeah.

And I guess what is the effect? I mean, IT makes you kept .

doing IT so yeah, IT worked.

yeah. I mean, I honestly, I think probably the things that didn't happen to me show the effect because I was working on an m, working on such disturbing, a horrific material that, you know, I didn't never nervous, break down. I didn't become a drug.

No, my relationships didn't collapse. So I would say that was god's. Let me ask with that without I .

hate asking people their marriage because it's just so personal. But you've referred to your husband several times as your partner and friend, and bowen, a source of strength. Has, have you remained a line with him? Like as this this trip you've taken into the spread a new world.

have you taken IT together totally? I mean, sometimes like, you know, honey, I can talk about now it's like the weekend I just wanna like, yeah for what totally he's such a warrior in his having, as I mentioned, as having been in very dangerous situations really helps me part me because a he's wonderful strategist so he will explain to me kind of what the battlefield is but also um he like when I want to wine and say, you know i'm tired of this.

Like I want to go, I want to stop he'll say, wars last four years IT is not a battle, is a war and the war of independence lasted for years. And it's helpful because i'm not a soldier or not changes a soldier. So I just want there to be a battle. And then we're done. And right, right.

shopping. Dramatic climax. And they were a cocky to talk about IT. No, I feel the same way. Wow, how inspiring is that?

Oh, i'm so lucky. Yeah, I was going to ask all these .

policy questions. But I do think you what happened to you personally is so much more interesting than any of that. Have you talked about any of this year the the spiritual direction you've taken and all have you talked about in in public?

Interestingly, when I wrote a sub stack about evil and god, that's all people wanted .

talk to me about for questions. I've had exactly the same experience, really, yes. And I came in IT from exactly the same perspective that you did is very spooky to hear that, to hear you say that you came at effectively backwards, at least backers, from the way I thought IT worked, where you see this negative thing.

And you ask yourself for what is that? It's really not human. It's close, supernatural.

But you don't no matter how many times you are sure you don't really believe there's a supernatural around that x on the natural world. Like that's crazy, but IT clear. yes. So I just think that's so interesting. So when you wrote about this unsubtle on your pointing of evil, what did people say in response?

They just wanted, well, the left doesn't talk anymore at all, so they didn't say anything, but and they pretend I don't exist. So yeah, that was silence. But but that brings up a really interesting point to tucker, because you know how an exodus um the children the first bone of of the egyptians are taken and the houses of the child israeli becomes skipped over yes your children .

live passed over .

exactly um i've literally for the last two years and I haven't said this in public but i've really seen this thing that can be explained again except kind of supernaturally that the people who don't turn to god in some way haven't been able to hear the very important information that is coming forward about how to protect your family yes, how to save yourself and the people who have turned to go in some way their ears are open, yes.

And they are the ones who are hearing the message about how well, in my case, how dangerous these injections are and they've been and I get these emails, you know, thank you for saving my grandchild. Thank you for saving my daughter. Law, think you it's not me that they should think it's amy Kelly who's leaving this charge and the the volunteers.

But nonetheless, I take their point. But what i'm experiencing is half the country who identify as godde's people in some way are hearing this life saving information. And half, you know, their ears are stopped.

They cannot hear that. They can even hear when you say that to them directly. It's still like a that I mean.

not I don't want to pose as a bible scholar and opposite of a bible scholar, but I am a notice her of patterns and the line is used. The the words company can hear them. That is a recurrent line.

totally out the .

entire text.

So, totally, totally well, we just read exodus and god said, I will, I will harden to make him stubber and I and .

these horrible things have a new aster task and ferris doesn't get the point to let these people go.

Everything be fine here yeah no so I can't explain that um but i'm sorry what was what was I can't remember .

so absorbed in what you were saying oh like my question was when you described your journey I hate that word. I am so embarrassed.

Use the way I didn't used .

to be I know I know that IT is and i'm trying to rid OK shades from my mouth and heart um we just try what happened to you are and how your your thinking is deepen on this. Did you get a lot of people say, wow.

I had the same experience, yes, but not not the people I used to be closest. Yes, they have no idea what i'm talking about. They think i'm weird. Um yes, no, I don't know if they think i'm weird, but no, absolutely. I mean, this is happening .

you across yes.

I do people say i'm so glad you're talking about these metaphysical dark forces because I feel them too or i'm so glad you people who never were um who left to ordinary ze religion behind totally or are are feeling I don't know what to say and awakening but it's not like a fake try no social enormous tive awakening it's like a genuine blossoming of their hearts in ways that is surprised even them and especially especially them.

Yes, I I am definitely seeing that. And I guess what I would say, and i'm so glad there's a little bit of of hope no, because the last few years have been so horrible. But if you wonder, why would humanity be targeted in this way? Because we haven't even gone into what, you know, what my team has found, right? The catastrophic, the strokes, the the neologisms orders, the paralysis, the arthritic disorders, that sudden deaths, the poisoning of babies, the killing of babies in utero, like it's all in the visor documents at an industrial scale. And they knew this, rolling IT out, you know, the White house covering up my ocardial s in in minors in April of twenty twenty one, having a freak out communications, meaning to cover IT up crime after crime after crime.

You you look at this and think, why would humanity, why would god abandoned and humanity in this way and creates such a terrible? Why would god let humanity ity have such terrible crime committed against IT, a global scale? But then now, looking not back, but in the midst of IT, I can't think of another circumstances which the sheep were separated from the goats, in effect, in which you had to choose, are you going to go on with a crime, or you going to speak up for humanity? You had, are you gonna walk with the devil, or sitting, or whatever bother in molecular, you onna walk with god.

You know, you couldn't be neutral, you had to choose. And also, you know, this force came at the human body and face, which I do believe is made in the image of god. Like, I literally believe that now.

And what would make people think, oh, well, i'm not, you know, this is a treasure. I've been born into a human body. I have a human life.

You know, we have this beautiful planet. We have family. We have intimacy.

Closest prayer song, i'm going to cherish that. You know, i'm gonna take that for granted in any more. It's their gifts from god. I can think of another circumstances to wake people up in the way that people are waking up as horrible as it's been incredible.

How can for people who've made IT for the last whatever, hon, whatever it's been who wanted hear more from you, uh, how can they find that?

Thank you. Um they can go a daily clout dot I O which is my new site that helps people engage with democracy. Um the visor documents, reports are all in the upper left hand corner there for free ah they can come to my sub stack, which is called the outspoken and um they can order the visor book and they can also order facing the beast if they like.

Is that sold?

Yes, for now? Yes, for now. yes. Well, that was kind of not .

the conversation I expected. IT was about hundred times Better, and i'm grateful that you came. Let me work. Thank you.

Thank you.