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I'd like to start by just replying to some of the things tucker said. And generally, our chAllenge here tonight is that tucker and Jordan, I agree and almost everything.

So we're trying to get a bit of controversy, but I would say this security, as far as I can see, the governing party in your country now has as its soul claim to resumption of its Mandate the equation trump equals hittner er which is of course so fatuous and outrageous that no person with an IQ in at least double figures could believe IT and IT will get the reception that deserves an election day I think despite massive efforts and stuffing the ballot boxes and bringing non existent people in under the voting less but because of that, I think we should be doubly careful about suggesting that Christian freeling, who might also know, have known her for some years, is is worse than than Nancy. I mean, SHE isn't. She's actually quite nicolai, but she's politically misguided, has always been misguided.

The F, T, which you support other than for hiring her, is itself not an acceptable publication anymore. It's a lude crisp global is socialistic interventionist regiment regimentals of paper, not really the paper IT was under ngl loss and and others of legitimate newspaper for commerce, free commerce everywhere in the world. And so what we have is bad enough without suggesting it's it's not see as a more worse IT isn't really bad.

but it's if I get this is a problem that I have had my whole life, I don't fully explain what I think you raise a really good point. I made a serious charge against her and let me just be a lot more precisely about why I believe what I said.

I saw the video of the other day, and i've never taken or serious ly as I said, but I didn't think that he was as malicious and cold as I now believe he is until I saw the video of David menzies from rebel news being arrested after trying to ask a question. And I thought to myself, as someone who was often approached by people, as I walk into buildings with questions, how would I feel if someone approached me and ask a question, even a question I don't like, and my security team threw against the wall and put him in handcuff? S, I would say you stop that immediately. I could not, as a matter of conscience, allow a man to be arrested in my presence for asking a question. And I think that anyone who thinks that's okay is is a truly dangerous person who ouldn't have power.

That's how I feel.

I agree with you, accept. I don't think SHE ordered IT. I think what let me say something. I think in a way, what happened is even more worrisome than that.

Some pollution from the rcmp took IT upon himself as a demonstration of initiative, a precisely the kind of initiative of you attributed to the the people in good stepping, in tight uniforms, and in many people, especially united, they still think of the rcmp is people in red tunics of the musical bride and you, rosemary, with neil sanity and so on, singing in the rockies. Here they but we saw the mcDonald commission inquiry after the imposition of the warm reject by the elder trudeau in one thousand nine hundred and seventy. What an absolutely income bunch of pollution as the R C. M. P. R. So some of the .

blame belongs on them and the current and I know you spend a lot of your life for security around you, whatever. You just can't allow that. You just cannot allow people to behave that way because it's such a violation of human rights. And that's happening in this country. I know is saying .

they think about IT. I want to turn to Jordan way had discussions in calgary earlier today and last night, and I emerged as the optimist. And i'm not an absolute optimist, but in fact, I think public is turning in this country and in the united states, afraid as a member, the british parliament, I can't hold the any hope for england for the next five years, but little come to its senses eventually.

But I think it's turning. And we see you tonight. We see, believe IT or not, IT is even the case in toronto, where U. L. Burtons have more friends than mires than you think, including Jordan and me, a city I may say that I understand Alberta's don't like toronto to.

And I don't blame them when tucker compares toronto to gary in inDiana, which is a bombed rubble heap of abandoned steel factories and ray others and drug dealers, he stiers up something I was not aware that I posted that was a bit of municipal shovel ism. But I I want I would like like that Jordan, on this business of I mean, we agree, I think with everyone in this great stadium agrees with tucker's denunciation of our health system. It's a shambles and a disGrace. And IT is so bad that, as he said, the health system is supposed to promote life, is now selling the virtues of suicide, and not only to seek people to poor people, as well as if you have no chance of recovering, and because prosperous. But Jordan, where do you stand on this optimism, pessimism scale that the tech I build up a little year?

I think I think we have every reason to assume that and and I guess this is why i'm going around the world talking to people. I I guess is that I think that if we put our hearts and our souls into a that we could make this world into a place that's so good, we could hardly imagine IT. And I think with the technology, I think .

with the .

technology that's in front of us, which is transforming at a rate that's beyond comprehensible, literally, that we could do much Better in the next fifty years than we did in last two hundred. And that's thirty saying something.

But I also think .

that if we let the worst parts of ourselves gain the upper hand, given our enhanced technological power, we could produce A A hell that would make steeliness russia, not see germany looked like practice. And so there's there's a great hope in that, but a great warning.

And one of the things you all want to consider to is that because you are so much more powerful than people were in the past, with the technology that you have at your disposal, with the influence that you can have in the world, that all your particular and individual moral flaws are going to find their amplification in the world in a way that wasn't really evidently true in the past. And so I think that if we got to act together, things could be believably positive, but if we remain narcisse c infantile and foolish, like certain of our leaders, then things could go extraordinary badly. And I think we'll see how that plays out in the course of the lifetimes of most of the people in this room.

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Tucker referred to the enemy of practically all of us here, unless they are spies from the cbc here or elsewhere. They possess the academy. They possess the media. They possessed wall street. And the equivalent to the extent in canada, silicon valley, which I agree with you as an abominable place, you should direct your strictures against them instead of toronto. And and they .

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big entertainment and big sport, mean who people are tremendously talented and entertaining and athletics, but utter morons, politically, a malignant morons, mini of them. And they have all of that. But we have the people, and we are going to show that.

And despite their attempt to still elections in york country, we don't much step to that here. Although we may learn we imitate everything else you do. Despite that, we are going to win.

And I feel very confident about that. Known what Jordan said. Even the periods since world war two, when the great powers haven't been IT born with each other, has shown an astounding increase in prospect in the world. The total percentage in the whole world, huge populations that now has that's in designated poverty, severe poverty, is down to under ten percent.

And we are making progress is just frustrating that these leading countries such as hours, are at the moment so incompetently govern and and we are ultimately going to lose our position of moral and practical leadership if if we underperform as this country now is under performing. So but, you know, I wish I could say I can suggest in a Better way of getting out of this and reversing the trend in the one I have. I think if we all keep our heads about us and go to the polls and change governments, I think, I think we'll get what we want that people do, get the government we deserve. If we deserve a good government will get a good government. And you have one here in Alberta.

May I just clarify one thing. I'm sorry to beat up on toronto, and i'm certainly sorry to compared to gary, inDiana, tonto is not the worst place in the world, and i'll concede the Carry on IT maybe in a little worse. My problem with toronto is not with the city itself, which is, again, fine as cities go.

It's the metaphor of toronto and the vision of the future that toronto represents. And so the question that no one ever asked about most places is, what do they do here? What's the point of the city? But what's s the business here? What are they add to the country? And toronto represents a vision that I reject, which is an economy based on banking in real state.

I don't think this really economy. I think banking has its place. Real state has its place. I don't think you can build a country on that, and I don't think you should.

This province represents the alternative sion, which I support, which is a place that actually add to the sum total of good in a country that produces energy and food. And energy and food are non negotiable. Als, you have to have them.

You do not have to have banking, and you do not have have to have crucial state pages. Don't there are places without them? In fact, most of history has been terrified without them.

But no place can exist that energy or food. And so when I see the relative status allocated to Albert versus toronto, that part of ontario, and like this is not a wac. There is no saying world in which a city that produces nothing is more impressive than a province that produced everything that the country needs. So that's i'm saying.

Jordan, your A A reno psychologist and your one has been. Most recently emphasized by the attempt of your appears to discipline you and send you for lessons in public relations. The fact that they would do this, we doing indicate how extraordinary accomplished you are and how widely admire you.

And not was standing my city of residents. I am, I am very proud that you replace star former mir rob ford is the world's most famous canadian.

But I want to ask you, as a psychologist, do you think that the psychology of the united states in canada right now, could mass psychology is such that we are in upward mode? We're going to cast off the incompetence that has ruled us and the perfect and and venality that this ruled us and do a Better job of self government. I mean, is the psychology right for an upward movement or you feel we're thinking.

no, I I think again, I would say i'm optimistic on that front too because I think the best thinkers that i've encountered and i'm privileged because well, apart from the fact that I nail and White too, obviously, but.

Sorry, vote that. but. I've been privileged to meet some of the world's brightest people and and and to talk to them in depth, you know? And I see a realization dawning, even in unlikely places, that the core values of our civilization, and there was a really judeo Christian values are are, are valid, are valid, true and irreplacable.

And let me let me explain what i've seen. So in recent months, i've watched a number of surprising conversions or semi conversions. And so um I am hersey, at least some of you may know of I am hersel ally and if you don't, you shot because she's one of the world's bravest people. And he was a real admire of the new atheists sts for a long time. And he had a reasons because SHE suffered greatly at the hand of psychopathic fundamentalists.

And she's concluded that the Christians that underlies our society is and is irreplacable and is actually converted, that despite being an admire for a very long time of the new atheists, Richard dawkins and Christopher hickman and sam herr's were very intelligent people, by the way, but but wrong in a deeply interesting way. Her husband, neil ferguson, who was also an atheist, has also converted. My friend Douglas murray, who was also a follow of the new atheists, now realizes and and understands, and I would say, intellect that.

A uh a humanism, unmoved from a deep metaphysical substrate, will fall parade in the kind of ideological luna acy that now characterises our times and the threatened the entire planet a number of times in the twenty century. I can see this happening all over. And there there are deep reasons for that, and they're going to become more evident in in very short order. And so I think that I think we're on the verge of the a conscious metaphysical revolution that will reveal to us once again the profundity, depth, necessity and value of the core propositions that made the west free, prospers and great.

And so.

May I just had one thing to that? I couldn't ree with that more. I can't express IT as eloquent as you just did.

And I want to try, but i'll say two things. One, I noticed that and i've never been an af s, but i've never been know that far from me. He is, I always lived in sort of rich, well educated world among people who mock the religious because they're primitive.

And in the last two or three years I have heard more people talk about the possibility that all that we can experience with our senses is not all that there is. And of course, that's true. It's obviously true.

And there is no society in human history that's believe otherwise. Only the west, since we drop the helon bomb on heroin a only the west, since one hundred and forty five, has proceeded as a society with the assumption that there's no god has ever happened before. And of course, this doesn't work at all.

That's changing really fast. And I feel IT. I also see, and it's very obvious if you just look for IT, that the main thing, the people who run this country and my country and a lot of western countries hate this Christianity.

They hate IT more than anything. And you see in their behavior, you see that in the arrest of Christian pastures. And if first one group in the world, whether Christian or not, you so no need to be a Christian to acknowledge what's obviously true.

These are the least threatening, least bad people in your society. These are the people who mean you the least term. These the people who command to pray for their enemies, these people who commanded to give up their life for people they don't know and for others.

And so again, you don't have to be an inherent of that religion to see those people as the group you might want more of. Because what's the downside to having people who love you despite the fact you hate them like that? Seems like you want more of those.

And yet those people are the first to get arrested, and their churches are burned. Ny, in this country with the full tasted support of your government. Like what is that? Why are they going after them? Of all the problems your country, as my country has, why are the Christians being persecuted and they are being persecuted?

Well, IT tells you there's something else going on here, there maybe their goals, maybe, maybe this is part of something bigger. I mean, just meditate on that for the weekend and see the conclusion you come to. That's all I would say.

On this tucher, I have to agree with you completely, and I am afraid that canada is in the forefront of advanced western countries with a judeo Christian tradition and the tradition of tolerance, also the the on, the the forefront, the language of effectively a sheep, or even what is now of official and paper thin and hearing to the idea of a divine intelligence existing.

We're getting parallel ly close all of them and and you see IT in judgments of the supreme court that are terribly poorly reason and agitate against any religious notions that should cause them to temper their idea of interpretation of law. And I would just say that we all of us know enough that you are not talking about what people's religious practices, and that is none of my business. But if you vanish absolutely the idea in a militant, atheistic manner that IT is impossible, that there any spiritual forces or anything whatsoever beyond what we absolutely know you, you are creating a vacuum in the human mind and in society that ultimately will be filled by horrible pagan monsters like idler and sTyler.

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One of the sad facts of our current civilizations that like there's just no history, the iphone makes history relevant. It's all about right now. But it's worth like learning some things about history.

And I here's my recommendation spend you know like an afternoon reading about the french revolution, the bullet dic revolution of one thousand nine hundred and seventeen, the span of civil war, and what are they all have in common at their heart was a desire not to replace Christianity with reason, as the Jacobins claimed, but to crush and destroy and to humiliate Christians in a way, very reminisce of what the romans did in the first, second centuries is not just like, oh, that's silly and superstitious. We're going to move on to something Better. It's no.

We're going to crush you and we're going to virtually humiliate you. And that is very much with a trans thing is about no one has helped by transgenderism. You never met anyone who is happier because he's self castrated.

I personally feel very sorry for trans people. I'm not angry at them at all. I think they are victims of bigger forces. But to officially promote that is a humiliation.

Richard will design to put Christians in an untenable position, where they have to either swear legions to the new state religion, which is transgenderism, or to their ancestor religion, which is IT, is a loyalty test. And it's meant to humiliate and destroy them. And let's what just be honest about what we're seeing.

So i've .

been thinking about .

this idea of what should be properly put in highest place for for a very long time. No, I became convinced forty years ago, I suppose, of the of the existence of evil, in some transcended sense. I suppose, when I trying to look for something that I had, what would you say that I could, that I could claim with unshakable faith? What I discovered was that there were certain acts that occurred in the twenty eighth century that were so brutal and soma level, and that they absolutely convinced me of the reality of evil.

And there's a ordinary to that, that's that's necessary to understand, is that if evil and absolute evil exists, first of all, if absolute evil doesn't exist, and what happened in auschwitz was just a matter of opinion, right? The moral catastrophe suits is just an opinion, and that in itself is a conclusion that has no small degree of malevolence. So we should be clear about that if what happened in schwarz, if the fact that osha z camp guards could conduct themselves in the utterly brutal manner that they did and enjoy IT, if that was evil and and and not a fact, then a pipe down. This isn't your conference.

Then there's there's an opposite. If you identify something on one pool, you've implicitly identified something on the other pool. And so one of the things you might say is that whatever absolute good might be, and that would be something you can to be to god, would be that which is as far away from oswif z.

As you can possibly get. And to pursue that would be to pursue the direction that leads you as far away, let's save from the horrors of nazi germany as you can get. And I I believe that technically there is no difference between that and the pursuit of a religious path.

And then I would say if it's true that the core of malevolence is something like the sacrifice of others in a painful manner to your own idio wims and desire for power, which isn't debating, and then the opposite of that would be the your voluntary self sacrifice in the service of what's best and others, and that is the ideal that Christianity puts up the center of the moral universe. And so I don't see a way around that, and that's not a conclusion that I drew lightly. No, for what that's worth, I spent forty years thinking about very little else than that. And I think that we're going to come to understand that consciously, widely, far more rapidly than anyone suspects for any number of reasons. And that.

that will be.

well, the consequences that are very difficult to predict. But the fact that it's going to accuse, definitely one of the things that makes me optimistic. We've all been faced in the two thousand years century, I would say, with the irrefutable, able evidence of transcendent evil. And that means we all now have the opportunity to discover the existence, irrefutable, able existence, of transient good, and to allow that to guide us. And if, with our technological power, we had the capacity to be guided by what is truly and transcendently good, then there's nothing we couldn't accomplish in the positive direction.

Tucker, whether everybody in this country is happy with that or not, the whole world is extremely heavily influenced by the united states.

And whatever any of us think of of any american regime, none of us, none of us in the west should ever failed to remember and be grateful for the fact that we are chiefly to the united states, the the greatest strategic, bloodless Victory in the history of the world, our Victory of western civilization in the cold war and the tremendous spread of democracy and the free market in the world. We are chiefly your country, and we must never forget that. So with that in mind. I.

Like you to be daring as .

you can and as perceptive as only you can be as someone who knows the united states, all of the united states, very well, what do you predict is going to happen in this police single year in that country .

country you know it's I mean, I thank you um I couldn't be more grateful to be in america. I ve always felt that way um as I said, my dad's family was the goal they left at the time of the american revolution because they didn't want to be free so they fled to the americans and just get anyway. Then they came back ultimately many years still there.

Their name is refuse. I think they're liberal but but I have always been grateful for my birthright, as in america, and for the god given rights that are protected by my government, officially in the villa of rights, which is a beautiful document, the greatest document ever produce, and that no other country has. So, and I will feel that way.

So I die. And unlike a lot of people in our leadership class, I have no plans to go winning or else i've got too many children and too many dogs and i'm dying there. But i'm definitely very concerned, and I can see the outcome of this year clearly at all.

I was thinking yesterday that really is like looking through a shower curtain. You see these OPEC shapes lurking, but you can tell us there, render foo new or closed. You don't really know what you're looking at, but you know that there is a collision coming between titanic forces, the population of amErica versus its leaders.

And it's coming to ahead because of the structure of the selection. And so you have the republican canada, and he is going to be the canada whose election is the one thing. I think, I think it's it's kind of determined.

And of course, it's politics. So it's filled with all the amount of ugly ss display beneath the surface in all politics everywhere is really inspiring. You know, these people are really dirty everywhere, not just my country, you may know about that. But the one thing .

that the people in power.

and I don't just mean in washington, in our government, I mean in our financial centers and intertainment centers, our countries kind of cool, because there they are identified by city. So los Angeles, new york, washington make all the decisions, of course. And the one thing they won't tolerate is the orange man and power.

And you sort of and that, like, you wonder what why? Because trump is not a radical at all trust. Vision for amErica is an informed assessment of trump.

Trumps sion for amErica is like studio of fifty four and one nine hundred and seventy eight like i'm serious. Trumpet really loved the country grew, and he really loved IT. And he means IT love the people who live there.

He loved its traditions, weird little customs, its idiosyncrasies, and that's kind of what he wants. He doesn't want to brave new future of new things. He wants to return not to any below america, but to like one thousand nine hundred eighty america.

And it's kind of hard to argue why that's bad, actually. And so that's not a revolutionary agenda, nor is an account. Revolutionary agenda is a return to Normalcy.

And the phrase make amErica great again means returned IT to a period not so long ago when everyone was in franchise, everyone had rights, but everyone was roughly, not everyone, but most people who serve united in a sense of common purposing culture. They were americans, and they knew what that meant. We don't have that anymore, and that's trust of vision.

So you may not think that's possible. You may not think maybe that's even virtuous to want that. But if you think that's a grow test helsa pe that he's describing, you're the freak, not him.

And yet they all feel that way. They mean that too. They really feel that way is not a joke. And so what's going to happen? And I guess i'd dissent a little bit from the much more optimistic view that you have both of you, which I really appreciate hearing, and I want to believe IT, but that in the end, the will of the people matters. The conclusion that i've come to is that IT matters less than I should and that the people in power really do make the bulk of decisions.

And they say that after spending thirty five years in washington and watching the agenda of both parties and comparing that agenda to the public opinion polling of what people actually want and finding no union set, no union set, like there's not the same agents, and we have a democratic stem where these people elected every two years in the congress, every six years in the center, every four years in the White house. And there are gender never changes, and the desires of the american public, bian larger, never met or even addressed. And you sort of, after a wild include, maybe doesn't matter what people want IT only matters.

The people empower. I don't want to think that, but I don't know what other conclusion to reach. So what you have now is a legit mass movement on behalf Donald trump that's one hundred percent real.

And you have absolute iron lad resistance to the democratic process, working its way to legitimate inclusion by the people of all the power. What happens next? I don't even know. And i'll sum up this way today.

IT is a race in the foreseeable future between Donald trump, the former president now effectively the republican ini and the incumbent president president that he got more votes than barack obama somehow um because he's just so popular is is the magnetism he spent the entire twenty twenty campaign moldering and determination in his basement and somehow he was more popular than barack obama right? Okay, anyway, so it's the race between biden or obama. I just don't see that happening.

I just don't. And I hope to be wrong. I want to return to romal cy too.

I'm the opposite of a revolutionary too. That's what I love about trump. He doesn't want radical change.

We're we're not actually made for radical change. We can adjusted. People hate radical change.

They want of continuity. And I do too. But I just don't see this playing out the way it's currently formulated. Sorry.

see. So I I would say maybe that you talker, you actually ask for an alternative to the view that you were expressing, the somewhat pessimistic view of the dominance of people in power. In the video that LED up to your entrance onto the stage, you point IT out a realization that you had, which was that nothing Better in your life can happen to you than what happens if you tell the truth.

And I I believe that to be the case. I actually believe that. That's why we have the idea that power is vested in the people.

And I don't think that power is where people think IT is. I don't think that power is in the hands of the elite. The ability to manipulate, misuse power might be in the hand of the illite. But the power that we need to set the world straight is actually at your fingertips.

And this is actually this is actually you're rather terrifying realization, you know, because there's some relief in thinking that the elites can do whatever they want and there's nothing that someone as small as you could possibly do about IT. And that's wrong because you're not small, and it's wrong because it's irresponsible to presume that. And it's wrong because the truth is more terrifying and also more liberating.

And the truth of matter is, is that if you utilized what you had a hand, which at least is the ability that you have IT had to say what you think truly and as clearly as you can, even if you're not that articular that the world would change around you in ways that would make you immune to the blandishments of the power mongers. Ellie and I am hoping that enough people will realize there the power of their affinity with the truth, especially when it's allied with the wheel, aim up to to have the couch to speak that truth. And if enough people do that, then the terrible things that were concerned about coming forward at us in the future will have no purchase whatsoever.

You know, like I learned a long time ago that the war, that worry and is psychological or spiritual, if you want to look at that way rather than political. And everyone has a sense of that. Now that is something is moving that's more that's deeper than the mere or political.

The tectonic plates themselves are shifting in you you're all going to play a role in that, you know. And the role you play is going to be determined by what you determine to I your speech with, for example, your decision about whether not you're onna, tell the truth in the confines es of your own life. And if enough people, all of you, if enough of you decide in the local circumstances of their own life to say, to dare, to say what you believe to be true, then the tyrants will have no purchase on you, and you won't be slaves. And just by definition.

Can I just, I just. Want to say what a beautiful, sensitive and I think that is. And I wish I had said that, and I am so thankful that you said that.

And the message that I often get, who knows from where is that when I really feel like things are falling apart, that they really, the only thing I can do is to really try my best to be a Better person. And that really matters specifically. I mean, to tell the truth all the time, not just in public, but in private, really love the people around me and be attentive to them more than anything.

And that in doing that, you lose your fear of the future and you know that no matter what happens, you're going to be OK. You're not afraid of death. Anyway, thank you for saying.

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IT many of the people in the stadium would be aware that I am probably, though not an uncritical one, the most vocal and consistent supporter, a present trump in canada. And that is based on the fact that has been my privilege to know him for twenty five years, and he's always been a good and loyal friend, including in the worst of times that I endured when many of his financial peers in the united states, in this country, had a mersey attack of amnesia, forgot my phone number and he did not. But I also evaluate him as a statement.

And I put IT to you, teacher, that there is a clear, really a clearly discernable tendency in the run up to election the forces that abominate tram and and are even highly intelligent friends of mine and yours who, when the word trump is offered, other than a bridge context, bridge card's in context, a trap door opens in their forehead and coco bird flies, they start screeching nonsense. These people. so.

Obsessed with the hatred of their president are gradually losing ground. I mean, in the last election to defeat trump, they had the meal load unsolicited, eighty one million baLance. Millions of them were collected.

None of them could be verified. They were dropped and drop boxes out in the rural amErica of in the middle of the night, not on election day. And on this basis, the judiciary abdicated its role as a coequal branch of your government and wouldn't hear any of the substance of cases or one thousand of them.

They wouldn't hear any of them and and they wouldn't judge on the constitutionally of the changes in voting and vote counting rules, supposedly to assist voting during the pandemics. But really the screw trim and and they were aggravated by the media locking arms and saying every word that trumpet supporters have, utd criticizing that election where lies not, not things they disagreed with, lies, conscious, intentional lies, deliberate, premeditated lies. And this has so annoyed such a large group of americans that they become progressively angrier.

The more unreasonably attempt to destroy democracy by the incoming ces become, they see the effective leader of the opposition, a former present buried under an evolution of absolutely none. Since ious and dignity, politically motivated they've seen, the corruption of the intelligence agencies will be trump russia and nonsense that they've seen the FBI director comi taking to saying, two hundred and forty five times under road. I don't recall a about evince a couple of years before having to do with his role in taking a patient defamation, calling the intelligence and putting IT out into the media.

This all been paid for by the clinton campaign the country seized. And IT is getting angrier and angrier. And I think there's a sort of rumbling noise in america. And and what is going to happen is ultimately, although IT won't be quite, you know, put this way, it'll be a reference in between those who so hate trump, they're prepared to justify any destination and and debasement and violation of the constitutional democracy of amErica to keep him out of the White house, and those who are so horrified at this destination of the constitution that they are absolutely determined to put him back in the way is, and I think he will win. And I think the fact that he will win, when can and the motioning ism subside and and serious history is written, I think IT will be seen as one of the great positive water Marks in the strengthening and reinforcement of .

american democracy.

Go can't ride back, you can. When conrad black ground the media in this country, IT was a Better time that that was a wonderful formation of the twenty twenty election in which democrats cheated that scale fact. And I hope IT plays out in the way that you describe in my personal view of IT, my view line pretty substantially with Donald trumps.

Even if they didn't, I would vote for Donald trump because you can't. And two hundred and fifty years of representative democracy because you don't like a candidate, period you can, and date people for political reasons, which they have done, and you can't take people off the ballot in the name of democracy and they haven't make a picture of a crime. I mean, it's like, so not so if you care about the systems that your ancestors created in which was the envy of the world, that made half the world, more than half the world, model their democracies after our democracy.

So if your democracy is raised because people don't like trump, it's kind of a profound change, not just in your country, but in the world. And that's not a good change, and you just don't want that. So I absolutely hope that IT plays out that way.

I guess part of what I was saying is I don't believe with trump up eight points or whatever is now over biden in the face of foreign deepness facing life in prison for non crimes more you know about, the more defies belief and I think kind of black explaining and fly well, he's still leading job. I so if the point of the democratic party is to hold power, not there's nothing ideological with the democratic party, the ideas we should have the power and you shouldn't, that's IT. They're about to lose power to trump because biden is so demonstrative.

Ly and compete and they're going to make a change of some kind that's unacceptable. So I don't know what that change is going to, but I spent my life living with them so I know what they're like. And there will be a change they will not lose to trump if they can help IT and I mean, IT and if that means replacing biden or doing something and speakable, they will do IT that they're very serious ous about this.

They're much more the other side is much more serious about power than Normal people are. People understand that power is little. This is like a double edge thing.

Nice to have IT, but I can also destroy you. People are. They don't actually want power. I definitely don't want power, but a certain kind of hello person needs IT above. Also, I just think beware, they're .

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of anything. thanks. Unfortunately, we're going to have to wind this up.

So i'm going to say one brief final comment on the american thing and and asked Jordan to close for for the three of us. I just very briefly make two points. I think that the trump, the tempter's hate isn't there anymore.

He doesn't have to walk his tweet back. His conduct is not to embarrassing your gosh and and the trump, they hated the portrait with city. He gave them plenty of ammunition to do IT as a as a barish, boastful character, mature of the ugly american.

He isn't there anymore. And what has replaced him is a man, of course, is confident. An next president in a billionaire tends to be come from, but but he is an underdog, being persecuted and fighting IT courageously.

And everybody respects that. And I don't think people realize how the public reaction to him is evolved according to that. Ah and the other of the final point i'd make is so open all of this here were generally conservative, elected our party in whichever country is often sort of on a suicide nation.

But this time, inexplicably, to me, the democracy, they appeared to be certain. Ling the drain, astor bly, LED by a significant sticky finger, old bob, who couldn't run a two car fund on that. I IT pains me to be disrespectful of the occupant of so great and office, but i'm afraid that's an accurate description on that. I yield the chair to my distinguished friend.

Well, we talk tonight, know about the political lot. And I would say to some degree, we counted or not, we talked a fair bit as well about the psychological and the spirit children. I guess one of the things we might do is reflect on the proper ordering of those, know if there's A A moral world, let's say, that has a higher ical ordering.

One of the things that was realized long ago is that there's a dominion of god, and there a dominion of scissors, and that you render into god, what is god? And unto scissor, what is seizure? And we render a fair bit unto seizure tonight, and maybe I close with some, some concluding words about what that would mean to render on to god, and what that would mean for you all as individuals, you know, that would allow us to reflect a little bit born on this idea of upper day and truth.

You know, i'm I think it's loadable that you're all here, even if it's primarily for political reasons because I think that people in in a democracy and represented a democracy in a freeze society, people who aren't slaves have to take their political responsibility with all do seriousness, right? Otherwise you're not self governing. You abdicate that responsibility.

Other people and you'll abdicated if you, dick, you're abdicated to the psychopath to enjoy power and you're not going to like that. The consequence of pattern. So you have to shoulder your political responsibility, but then you also have to see IT in the proper perspective.

And I think tucker was making illusion to that, is that you have your important destiny right in front of you. You have to take responsibility for your own lives, treat yourself as if you have a certain implicit intrinsic value that you're made in the image of god. You might say you have to treat the people around you, your wife, your husband, as if they have the same value as you.

And you have to do everything to Foster their development and your relationship. And you have to do that with your family. And then your family has to do that with its community, your town and your your local businesses, your friends.

And then all of those local enterprises have to do that at the level of city province. And then if there's anything left over, the higher order political system can deal with that. But you want to walk out to hear of the night thinking about how you want to aim the world in the proper place.

Part of that is your political deliberations, but much more that is the ethics that you bring forward in your life and in your words. And I truly believe, as I said, and that you have a very important role to play in how the world's going to lay inside of how are we going to be optimistic or pessimistic. I would say, to a very large degree.

And more than you think, that depends on the decision that you make with every react you take about whether not you're aiming towards something Better or towards something worse. And to the degree that you're aiming at something worse, you'll get exactly what you're asking for. And to the degree that you're amy at something Better, you could play a signal of force and bringing that about.

And the Better you got at that as your aim improved and the truth of your words mounted in power, the more effective force you would be in promoting what's good. And you have that opportunity, as we all do. And so I would say, in closing, we can watch this strange political year unfold, and we can hope for the best, but we can also strive with all of our right to make sure that we're part of the force, is actually aiming at the best, and we can all do that.

Thank you.