JD Vance: The New Opposition Party, Saving Rural America, & Why Trump Seeks Advice From His Gardener
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Thank you. I'm very sad to be here. I was, I was coming in back stage. This is our eleven city we've been in this month, and you have a kind of formula for how things work. And i'm sending max sagan. I see this ice bucket full of Green bottles, and I reached my hand and know what I was its mountain do.

And I said, I said the first one, just like, why do we have mountain? Do jd vans drinks mountain? Do actually drinks mountain? Do I know je vans very well? And and I know that he's like the most authentic person in politics, but you often do people say, and you can feel IT on him, he's not going to law school, you know he's not really from apple ia.

I found the matter to you. That's for real. You're not drinking this. They don't have to set the aspen institute.

Trust me, I was so impressed and i'm very sympathetic to I love actually his politics, but i'm not i'm not going to try that. Sorry, i'm going a little party. I'm not a man of the people.

Anyway, thank you so much for coming. I'm sorry IT took so long to get in. This is what happens when your security is run by your opponent.

I think it's kind of hard to have an event. It's sort of IT. It's a funny system that we have.

No other country does that. I don't think well, this don't look, take care, you don't. And just to make IT super efficient, regulate the tsa handled.

Because when you want things to work smoothly, like when you're late for your flight on memorial day weekend anyway. So i'm sorry about that. We don't control over IT.

I'm not alleging anything other than what's totally obvious. The system music is what? And I heard the media are here. I don't.

I know, be, be, be, be, be.

And I heard even the new york times political, they're all here. No, I don't know. I just wanted to stand up and announce they're voting for if they would.

I don't know. I don't have my glass on something where that you are. I can hear what you're saying, but I know I agree with you if you are trying to express losing, i'm on your side.

And by the way, I would know having spent over thirty years in their layer and no amount of sa cold punch, hot bath combinations can scrape off the moral stain of us all the time that I spent there. But anyway, thank you so much. So I mean that because we're running a little late, I want to get to the interview with center advance pretty quickly. But I just wanted to say, and it's much more news ing anything i'm going to say anyway, but I just wanted say something that he knows really well because he'd been on the roads since the convention.

But i'm just remembering ing since it's been a long time since I spent on the road, which is that if you experience your country, the one that you were born in and that you love in your ancestors built and you will die in amErica if you experience IT through your phone, which I hate to admit is mostly the way that I do experience IT um you really get a distorted picture of IT. And IT feels like a country at war with itself. And in fact, we're told that very often this country's on the brink of civil war and everybody hates everybody else.

On the basis of some beautiful characteristics are the basis of race primarily, but also have sex and the political affiliations ation. And basically, amErica is about to explode. It's the cropole you forgot to try, and it's about just blow up in recent kitchen.

I love that I might be kind of an unsecured like stream out in one thousand nine hundred seventies are a letter red skinner song in the ddd of a pause. But to me, i'm growing with you, baby. I know exactly what you mean.

That's right. I take quite articulate what you mean, but I know what you mean, faber. Anyway, the point is you really get the sense that the country is that all of itself, that people really hate each other. And when you travel IT and we're going coast to coast for a month, where to happen coast to coast, that's nothing experience you have at all like at all. actually.

I can just tell you, as officially in the new ark times, as chronicle is a great length as one of most hated people in the world, I kind of expected to be yelled that only mean, and like an airports 啊， starbucks to the lobby about hotel, not one time. And something do with me, it's not because i'm so great for people secretly love me, is that americans secretly don't really hate each other, which is kind of amazing. When was? No, it's true, they don't.

And yet they have been convinced that they do. And they have, in fact, been inspired to hate each other systematically for decades. And I watched this, the entire presentation of american history, again, driven by the new text.

I've gotto say whether the correspond is the entire presentation in york of american history is designed to make you believe that this is a country based on hate, the hate of americans for each other. And they've been telling us one fifty five. They've been telling IT for at least to fifty years.

I can remember going to school. They've been telling us this version. And that is the core problem of the countries that people really, really hate each other.

And looking back, and I was i've been taking of IT all week. I don't think I ve ever seen that ever, not one time. And when I see actually is just the opposite.

I see people of all backgrounds and all beliefs totally determined to get along with each other and doing IT despite the encouragement of their leaders. And I just think I think two things about that. One, I think it's quite revealing of our leaders because what leader wants the people, he leads to hate each other.

It's like really the kind of the darkest thing you could ever want if you're a parent. You know, IT is evil. IT is the definition of evil.

What parent wants his or her kids to hate each other? You want the opposite. Because when you die, the one thing you leave behind is the love of your children for each other. That's how your memory continues. Because your children love each other, almost no parent needs to have to explained.

Every parent knows IT initially ly, and as such as the family that both basic and important organization in human civilization is every organization, from your office to a military unit to your state, to your country, leaders have as their first and most sacred duty, the responsibility to unite the people who follow them, to keep them hold, to keep them together, and to do the opposite of that systematically, over decades, using the media primarily, but also now just from the podium, is evil. It's absolutely vil, because it's a perfect inversion of their duty. And they have tried harder than really any task.

They certainly ly and put their effort into manage to the economy you're paving the roads are making IT safe to walk to cds. They're done to the opposite because they've been so focused on making us hate childer. Just the first thing, I know this.

So they're not just incompetent. They're really bad on a deep level. actually.

No country deserves the leaders that we have. No state deserves leaders. You have Better way. I can say i've spent so much time in the commons of pencil anian, I always think to myself, how is the worst place in the state allowed to run the entire state? I'm not going to a name IT, but why do they have all the power?

Why do the work that people with the longest track record of failure have total control over the rest of the state, which is beautiful and filled with great people? How does that work? That doesn't look like democracy to me, but you can, except outward to an entire country and say, how does a country of three hundred and fifty million great people have such rotten leaders? And that really is a theological question that I can answer, but IT does.

And here's the last thing i'll say for introducing senor jvp advance, my friend. They haven't succeeded. And that is something to marvell t and to celebrate.

And so really deeply think about everyone's are always shot, particularly in these last four years since i'll put IT precisely since memorial day twenty twenty, when the revolution began without telling us and the country that you grew up in and all of these institutions turned upside down, and things you really loved and respected disappeared, and people who are close to you vanished from your life. And really it's been chaotic since. And all by design and everyone I know, I think most people who are paying attention have had a curse to them on time.

Another like, wow, there's so much evil in the world and sharks. And that's true clearly. But what too few people, very much, including me, pause to consider is how much good there is in the world.

good? That makes no sense. The love between people who don't know each other, who have nothing obviously in common except their common americanese, their citizenship here, people who are not gaining anything by being kind to each other.

In fact, we are encouraged not to be kind to each other. And are, anyway, what's that? That is as every bit as unnatural as the evil that we see.

IT is not existence in nature. IT is outside of nature. IT is supernatural. And that is moving among us to and I think it's more celebrating that.

And if you look around this room, the first thing you realize is all that something told you about how you are crazy because you noticed turns out you're not crazy, because there are thousands of people sitting right next to you who had exactly the same mistakes, and they came from very different places to arrive at the same destination, which is a commitment to being honest with themselves in those around that. This is honesty is not politically, not ideological. It's being unwilling to lie in every person.

This room at one level or another, at one timer or another, has arrived at the exact same conclusion, which is undergoing to say, what I think is true. And IT turns out it's not just you sitting alone in your rett room thrown beer cans at the TV film like a freak. It's most people in this country, and there's no greater blessing than knowing that.

So on that note of totally non political, I want to introduce center J. D. Vance of ohio, running what to trump. So you actually do drink mountain, do? You're not joking?

Diamond d of, yeah, that's my favorite drink. You need a lot. You need a lot of caffeine. On the campaign trail though, it's interesting.

And to become a bit of a thing because I probably had like one die amount to a week before I start running for vice president. And then I like start talking about IT. And then people always brought me diet, mountain use. And now I do like three of them a week, one of many ways in which I health has got much worse.

But I was here not endorse ing IT from a medical standpoint is what you say.

No, no, not at all. But I will say docker, it's awesome to be here, not just like because i've been looking forward to this. But two hours ago, I was thinking to myself i'm going to have to call tucker and cancel, but i'm not going to be become.

And the the reason is because we have our kids with us. And I took my boys on the campaign. We did a bit of events, all of a pennsylvania, which is a great state, is great to be here.

And we got a hersey park, right, which is just across the street, harsha park. great. And my son says, my seven year old says, if I go to roll a coa with you, you have to go on this like spinny ride with me.

And so legitimate. And one of these things were not just spinning around, but then the thing that you're sitting in is also spinning around. It's like spinning within, spinning and legitimately three and a half second.

And I think of myself, i'm going to throw up all over this, right? And my, you know, it's like now that i'm advice, president, candidate and much for people know I am. And so there are like ten separate iphones that are tuned on me.

And all I can think to myself is, if I throw up in this thing, it's gonna like one of those old sprinklers. you. And I I saw, I like White muckle close my eyes, my seven year old in my four year like that, what's gone on? I'm trying up thrown. Boys, just leave that to be and then we get off the ride. And I am so nauseous, I am like, i'm going to have to cancel tonight because i'm going to go home to the hotel.

Looking at wrong puke on the culture world is the most authentically american thing you could do. No one would ever call you a phony again. I booted on the tilt world. I mean, honestly, from mountain do.

Yeah, so anyway, i'm feeling a lot Better now and it's great to be with you. And how how is IT going?

You can tell me you're running for national office. Just I don't even know what I do for living at this point.

like neither do I.

So where I mean, it's always hard asking someone is running for office like do you think you're going to win? Where are we? But I would say, and you explain this so well in the conversation we had recently, the polls really are designed to deceive many of the public.

Polls probably orbit many. And the campaign is not just yours, but the democrat party's campaign do have access to the most actor of polls. So being honest, you can be, where are we?

Where we are, we're going to win. And I feel one hundred percent 什么 吧。

If you go back in time for years, there was a pole and the run up to the two and twenty election, maybe twenty sixteen election actually, that had down the trump losing with concern by seventeen points. okay. And of course, in two thousand sixteen, he won with the city with concern.

And what you realize is the purpose of these polls is very often subversion, like they're trying to depress you. So they put out a pole that was constant that says Donald trump s is going to lose by seventeen points, even though that's an election he eventually went on to win. And I think there's a lot of that happening right now though.

I will say even with the idea that polls are fundamental biased, I mean, we have internal polls that we pay a lot more money for because its mean this a very nerdy point, but you have to reach the right people to actually get an accurate pull. And because most trump supporters, like, if you called my family members and said, hey, i'm from such as such research, are you going to vote for time? Trump, they would say, if you and hang up the right.

So because of that is very hard to pull actual donal trump supporters, but you can if you're willing to actually go out and seek those people and do the right things. And look, the internal polls are great. I think that we have to work our ruins off over the next forty five days.

And there's the there's something really interesting about this election, tucker, which is that if you sort of take the people who voted in twenty twenty versus the people who voted for by and twenty, the people voted for trip and twenty twenty, we're probably about even there like i'd sort of give a fifty fifty chance, but there are a lot of marginal voters, meaning people who don't always show to the polls and if they show up, they're like seventy thirty for donal drop. So it's basically the name of the game is you can't get depressed and give up on your country. You have to get out there and vote because if you do, we're going to win.

So get out there and vote and will win. And the. So I mean, look, the story, the story of basic the last thirty years, in my view, is that our leadership has turned the american people into poppers in their own country, right? You're not going to own anything.

God know where you're going to own a house because the leadership has made that way too expensive. Buy a house and plus interest rates were too high. You're not going to have real public safety in your communities because we're going to import twenty five million people were going to over stress the legal system.

We're going to over stress the police system. You're not actually going to have a decent job because we want to ship way too many midd class jobs after china, after mexico o and so the american people, I think they're fed up with that their sand. We don't give a ship what you think about us.

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So there's been this thing happening for the last well, last eight years, actually, but IT seems to have come to ahead and the last several months where the resignation is now very obvious between the parties. And yes, you do see a bunch of pretty high profile democrats coming to your campaign outdoors, your campaign. And you see honestly, some high profile republicans over to come on air. So just to put IT in one sentence, you got Bobby Kennedy, and they get diction .

in his horrible daughter. I hope the trade, by the way, day and sunday.

and I didn't mean that I can't remember named something to go with horrible daughter. Get fair. How would you describe that realignment? Like what is that?

I think there are couple things going on. So first of all, if you spend any time in professional washington, which I have to spend a couple years there, he realized that one of the things that gives a lot of people meaning is like playing a chess game with the lives of other people's children, right? And of course, if you think like that, you're kind of a sicko and you shouldn't be anywhere in your power.

But washington is full of people who really like to go out and play strategic games with the lives of other people's dren. And there's probably nobody who Better represents that, of course, than listen, dictate who their entire politics for the past thirty years has been using american power to inflame tinges in the world, to draw the united states deeper and deeper into foreign conflicts, which either should not exist at all or certainly the united states short to have any business in. And I think that the.

And and I think so that's one thing that's going on is if you don't think the united states should get involved in every stupid war in the world, then you're republican. And if you think the united states should send billions of dollars and tons of innocent americans to die in some foreign country, then you're going to be a democrat. And that's kind of crazy, right? Because he was sort of exactly the opposite, probably forty, fifty years ago.

But then there are other two, two other big issues. The three things that really matter, one is foreign policy. The our side, I think, is rational and restraint.

We don't want to fight every ridiculous war and were like worried about getting involved in world, world. Three, because we should be, because we have nuclear weapons style. And you have to be cautious about that stuff.

The second big issue is, in my view, over immigration, right? If you out of look at the list chai dick chini view, their basic argument is let's flood the united states with millions of pill on millions of foreign labors because that's good for business. And there are those of us who are saying what is that actually good for? Social cohesion isn't good for workers.

Hell knows. So we're not going to accept that. The third thing.

And the third thing that I think really divides the parties, and it's like me, bobbie Kennedy, tosi gavard, donal trump or sort of all in the same page on this, is do you think that the united states should ship its entire industrial base to in countries some of which hate us? And if you think that's insane, like I do, then you going to vote for Donald trump. He thinks a great idea to check part industrial base overseas.

You're welcome in the party of cover harison dictate I, and that's basically IT. And and those three issues, sucker, have divided people. I think i've divided the entire county, but actually only the leadership class, because I actually think that, like, seventy percent of americans agree with our a viewpoint on these issues. I just think that the leadership of this country has gotten so dragged that they convince themselves that there's a great american majority for fighting a ton of wars, importing a ton of illegal alliance and shipping all the jobs overseas. And I just don't think .

there are is I would say it's higher than seventy percent consensus. And you know that because the advocates of the positions you just describe women never admit that they're advocating for them. No one i'll ever say, yeah, we just brought in tens of billions of illegalities.

They lie about the fact they did IT. So clearly there's no see for that. No.

that's exactly right. This is been a big issue with some of the microscope that's been put on communities that have accepted in a large number of haien migrants in the past couple of years. So in spring for ohio, about twenty thousand, there's a community in pennsylvania, I think is accepted about twenty five hundred in the town of about four thousand people.

So there are people who say that this is fundamental necessary, because unless you import all of these people, that they're in't going to be any jobs. And I actually think that sort of gets IT exactly upside down. The reason why people left these communities is because our leadership shipped all their jobs to mexico, in china and other countries. So if you want to fix the problem, bring economic prosperity back to our country, don't bring twenty five hundred or twenty five thousand foreign labors in a small town, america.

a man. But IT also raises that. I think that even deeper, which is, who are you serving? Who's your loyalty to? I don't care how screwed up and final ridden in post industrial your little town is the people who live their american citizens and they own the government.

And so the people in charge have to care about them, but they don't at all. They care about their donors who think that their businesses will benefit from importing and entirely new class of workers. But like marn, our leaders required to care about the current occupants of those towns.

I would think so. I would think so well is here's what we had put IT is, and I pick this up. This is actually when we became friends initially, right, is we were at some like massive bankers conference, and I had just written hiba la.

I feel dirty thinking about IT.

And I realized that like what I had done in hubba, L. G. Was write a very personal story about my grandmother and my mom and my sister and their sort of in their trial. And you know, my mom struggled addiction, and then SHE got clean, and my grandmother raised me. And IT IT was very much a personal story.

And what I realized at that conference, and that others like IT, is that a lot of our leaders like the book, not because they really sort of sympathised with the story, but because they gave them an opportunity, they pick one paragraph out and say, oh, well, this thing shows that these american working class people are bad, or their racist, or they're not worth focusing our tention owner. We shouldn't save their jobs like whatever they uses an excuse to ignore the citizens own country. And I started to feel kind of dirty about participating in this way, that our leaders used my book, just try to look down on their fellow citizens, rather than maybe learnt something about their fellow citizens and recommit them to making their lives Better.

And that fundamental breakdown you see in our politics, like all the time, tucker, because, look, there is nothing that pisses off america's leadership class. There's nothing that angers come on. Here is more then when a working class person in the heartland of this country complaints about what a bad jobs she's doing, and you know when when you think about when you think about this charge that our leaders constantly make to say, well, you don't want twenty thousand lower age migrants showing up in your town.

You don't want to be evicted from your home to make way for four haien families who buy the way of violating zoning laws to live in this house. You're a racist. That's what we'll say. Now think about this. What they are really doing is saying you are not allowed to speak up about our leaderships screwing up.

And when you realize this is the game that they play, and me, look, I grew with this, I think we should genuinely endeavor to look at every human being as a child of god, whether they're black, White, Brown or anything else. I think that an absolutely good principle, but I think that when our leaders call working class citizens who have almost no power in amErica in twenty twenty four, when they call them racist, it's not because they're trying to call them to some higher meaning. They're not trying to convince them to be more compassionate to their fellow man.

They're trying to silence them and shut them up. And when you realize that our leadership is willing to take the compassion like what's best to us, that we love our fellow man and we love our fellow americans and use IT as a weapon to silence people, you realize that commoter ris and everybody like her IT is a disgusting game that they play. And we have to reject IT.

I couldn't agree more. I mean, i've just say, let me say that is evil. It's evil to leverage someone's decency against him. Yes, the lowest possible thing you could do.

But I have to ask, I don't only answer this question, but you spend time on both sides and growing up in where you did in ohio going to rain core and then go to a and all that go ohio. There is more than just like getting people to shutt up so they can lose the country, which is clearly part of IT. But there's there's a little thing.

There's a hatred there. Oh, yes, and I don't understand where that comes from. Why would you hate people who live in communities that your friends flooded with? Final like why would you be mad at them? They're the ones whose life expectancy is going down.

What did they do wrong if there's ever a group of victims? It's rural americans. So why would you hate them that? So does you make sense to me? But they do. why?

So I don't know that I I have a perfect answer to this, but I think that rural america, in the problems of ral america, just show how much their entire world view is broken. And so IT sort of reflects back at them their own failure and their own lack of for their fellow citizens, right? So it's like one thing to say, well, we're going to ship all the jobs to china and we'll get a bunch of cheap plastic toys in exchange.

You're all we're going to invade iraq and yes, it's going to be a total disaster and will kill a lot of innocent people. But we don't really have to think about IT after the wars over or yeah you we'll let twenty thousand hens into the small town, but you the employers will be happy because they'll get some cheap ly. And then we won't to think about IT, but the rural people or the small town people, the working class people, start complaining about IT.

Then you have to actually confront whether these things that you have done have actually made people's lives Better. And I think that you sort confronted with that, right? So you I have a mutual friend, I won't use his name um where you know he was a huge advocate of the world iraq and by the way I was eighteen years old but I also was an advocate of the warn iraq.

I infact listed in the marine core in April of two thousand and three we invaded in march of two thousand. Three fight all the marines out there. But so.

But like, okay, the war turned into a total disaster. A lot of Young americans got killed. A lot of innocent people got killed.

And I like, that should cause a thinking person to evaluate, well, what were they like? Processes in my brain LED me to think that this was a good idea, and how can I change so that I don't get IT wrong the next time? And I think we have a lot of friends who got IT wrong, but they can have that conversation with themselves because it's like too morally chAllenging, like they wouldn't want to look themselves in the mirror if they realized, oh, I did this thing that LED to tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of innocent people losing their lives.

And so you could either do that thing, you could either reevaluate and say, maybe I screwed up, maybe I was wrong, maybe I should rethink how I understand the world. Like maybe Donald truck isn't a threats. democracy. Maybe the person who's a threat to democracy is commonly .

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without a single vote can. You you can say to yourself, oh, I screw up and i'm going to think about IT Better. Or you can say that people who are complaining are bad and evil people. And the reason they are complaining is not because I screwed up, but because they are screwed up people. And I think that's what I genuinely think that's what our leadership does. And there are people there, people who are legitimately friends of mine, who I think legitimately hate, hate the community that I came from, because the community that I came from refuses to say, oh yeah, we're really glad that based on patriotic cinema, we, we volunteered at record level to in, listen in the marine core, the army, the navy, in the air force, and then he turn this off to a really stupid war. Or we really love that.

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I'm glad this is on tape because this is not flattery. I mean, i've been interviewing politicians for over thirty years, and I can't remember ever hearing an analysis that deep in true from any of them. And i'm also struck by the fact that I know most the republicans in the senate, maybe one of two exceptions.

I can't imagine any them saying nine percent of what you just said, and yet you were on the ticket with donor trump. So that makes me think that the republican party is actually changing this time. Do you think that's true?

I mean, so I absolutely do. And I think there's always gonna this kind of effort from the old guard establishment to try to return us to the old ways, the old broken ways. So it's not like a war that's totally over, but I do think that we're currently winning. And look, I have to give a ton of credit to my running mate, the guy, the top of the ticket, Donald j. Drop, because I.

And you know, this is probably lot of you in the audience know this, like I was a trump critic back in twenty sixteen and it's funny win. All of these when bite was still running and all of these journalists trying to like, confuse how obviously unfit biden was to serve in the oval office. Maybe like, well bides really old, but you trump is in a spring chicken anymore either.

And when people would say that i'd be like, guys, donal truck remembers a tweet that I sent on september third, two thousand fifty. He remembers the time, and he remembers exactly what I said to the world, like this guy's memory as as sharp as attack. In fact, I wish that that IT wasn't because my life would be a lot easier.

But this, these are not two seven year old people who are running for president who are in the same medical condition. One clearly has the energy to do the job, and one clearly doesn't. And what what?

What .

you mean? I've seen this now, having been in the belly, the beast, for all of two years, but I really wish that I had been on board earlier, because what trump dealt with in two and sixteen IT cannot be overstated. And i'm talking about like friends of years, friends, people he had been friends with for thirty years, calling him and attacking him or going on national television and lying about him.

When you'd chAllenge this assists ed broken ruling class in this country, there is hell to pay for IT. And i've got just a little bit of the taste of IT. I think Donald trump has gotten one hundred times worse than I haven't.

Obviously, he almost got literally killed just seven weeks ago, and then again, like three days ago. But trump, if he hadn't won the primary and if he hadn't want the general election, the republican party would be broken. He fixed IT and actually created an opportunity for us to build something that's durable and they can work for the logo and.

And I think so I I think I was his first endorser and the united city and like all of my political advisors or like why are you doing this is way to really in the primary. And it's because having not been on board in twenty sixteen, I realized that the twenty twenty four primary would really be this sort of fundamental no matter who to chAllenge him. And there are a lot of good people fundamental that chAllenge him, IT would ultimately come down to the old guard versus the pro worker, pro amErica party.

And I just knew that how the dividing lines were ultimately shake out, because the old guard, because a lot of them new dowdle trump in business, because a lot of them know that he knows what they're up to. They hate him more than almost anybody, and they hate him because he does actually fight for the american people and he does actually care about the citizens of his own country. And and you can look thing, one thing i'll say about president trump that that is genuinely unique is, look, he obviously is incredibly successful, incredibly wealthy, like I never never know, is going to pretend that Donald trump is a working class person, at least now in his life.

But trump actually really likes the people that he leads. And that includes, by the way. That includes, by the way, the people who didn't vote for him. He still really likes those people. And that is, I think, what is very different about president truck versus, Frankly, most of america's leadership is when the cameras are off and they don't think anybody's listening, they talk about how much they think their own citizens are dummer.

Well, yeah, the public thinks this because the public doesn't understand and economics, or, well, if the public was just smarter, they would realize how, how smart are common heroes for wanting to, like, destroy social security, medicare for ilga immigration, right? They actually think that their own people are stupid and they don't like them. But donal truck actually likes people. And I think it's one of the secrets to success .

is watching in order in mcDonald is like one of the most amazing things ever.

This is eric.

It's impossible to imagine karman. Whatever score yourself here is like talk to the lady behind the counter about the differences in quality and weight in Price between the quarter pounder in the big mac and he is such strong feelings about that means really no.

a lot. Well, again, this goes to his, his leader style downtown have actually really cares of what people think. So he is absolutely thought to himself, what is the Better value between the quarter pounder and the big mac? And he wants, he actually wants to know what the people who work there think about this question, by the way, like, I have very strong views about this. Like, obviously the corner pounders a Better deal.

right? That's absurd without secret sauces, not even worth going there. But whatever. I mean, you know, honest people agree.

Marble winston even allowed yourself to be manipulated by the elites. The secret sauce is not the thing that matters is the amount of meat. You get way more meat with the corner powder.

And it's obviously again. But look, the point is okay. So let me give you example of this. So the saturday morning, the present tromps was shot, I don't know.

I talked about this publicly, but I was down in morale, go for the first time, talking about becoming his vice presentin mothy and IT was kind of these crazy think, because all these reporters would stick microphones in my face and say, no, you're clearly on the short list. And have you talked to president truth about IT? I say, no, I haven't. In fact, I don't even even know if i'm actually in the short list because i've never spoken with them so the saturday morning i'm in moroccan, we're talking about the VP thing and he you he's like, you know, I like to talk to everybody about who should be the VP like I spent about thirty minutes talking to the garden maroo who I think I thought should be device present of and and i'm sitting there sweating bullets like, we'll, sir, what did the garden monolog o have to say about who should be the VP? Because this is a question that actually really impacts my life.

So did do you know the garden is m no again?

Like he actually likes to know what people think about things that one of his secrets of success is a political leader so anyway he goes to pennsylvania. He doesn't tell me that it's me um he says it's probably going to be you like. All thanks that makes you feel great.

I'm totally going to sleep great tonight, knowing that is probably going to be me. He flies the box county, pennsylvania, of course, is nearly assassinated. God blesses guys and he like, then he makes the decision.

I think the next day, or maybe even monday morning, I don't know, I don't know when he actually finally made the decision, probably was just monday morning. Now that I think about IT, you probably know about that. I do.

Anyway, the point, the point is. Again, I actually think that if you care about the people that you represent and the people that you lead, you should want to know what they think about an issue. And whatever disagreements you might have with president club, he genuinely cares about what people think about an issue. And it's why I think he's Better plugged into what the electorate thinks than most political candidate.

I think that's right. The switch up, the disappearance of the president and by mister president. Technical correct?

I don't know. I don't either. I really don't know. I don't know what happening. He was like, pretty famous at one point, and then he's just gone.

I saw some, I saw some clip on social media that, like, jill biden was running a cabinet meeting. Is that IT? Was that real? IT was that .

she's a doctor. J. D settled down. She's got this. okay. And anyone who hasn't read her distortion on community colleagues in the state of delhi really should see where the doctor comes from.

SHE, literally as a part of what what she's like to breaking on the proportion of biotherapeutics ts, and she's like it's about forty percent caukins, ian, about thirty seven percent african american and another thirty nine percent and then twenty two percent asian and and i'm like, i'm not good at math. No, you should read doctor js dissertation is unbelievable. She's trying the government to see.

Now I don't think that .

is to one hundred hundred and forty seven actually whatever she's a doctor. But here's my question and I don't mean to finger the media in this sorry, i'm sorry I spent my life in the news room is vog I know like common hairs went from being like regards of a phone by everybody, including, you know, every democrat I know you're constantly reading about only montel Williams likes or whatever ever made fun of her and then like within twenty four hours she's this historic statement. How was the media able to pull that off honestly?

Yeah I mean, A A lot of shamelessness. I mean, one of the things that we stay on the campaign trail because it's true, is that we do a lot of interviews like me and present truck, do a ton of interviews with hostile media, with friendly media, with everybody in the middle and commoner Harris dozen.

Now, part of the argument that we're trying to make is to the american people, you shouldn't trust a person who is so terrified of the media that he runs away from them. You can trust that person in a private meeting with decision king. But part of what we've been trying to do to is actually shame the american media, which is totally like its total historical revision ism.

Right before I our eyes I mean, my wife event was he was a totally a political person. But right after they did the company switch room, SHE sent me like a bunch of clips of different people and how they spoke about commonly heroes like three months ago and how they speak about commonly heroes today. And it's totally felt.

And we've been trying to shame the american media into looking themselves in the mirror and asking some tough questions and actually reporting on a record. And you know what we've learned? Tucker, the american media has no shame. And .

so like.

I mean, there here, right, I can, I can feel you .

run into them on the road.

What do they say? Well, we'll say, in private, almost all of them will say, yes, really ridiculous. Or in public, we'll say, well, you know, we hope that sh'll give us an interview. And I said, well, but the democratic process requires that SHE gives you an interview before people start voting like your job if you have any job and by the way, the reporters out there, I know you're sam, you're out there like your job is to not repeat coming heroes propaganda without at least getting a chance to ask you a question about IT. And that's what.

but but it's really simple. I've been in the media of my whole life. I know how IT works.

If you want a politician to do something, you attack that politician until the politician does what you want. yes. And so they could make common Harris give interviews to everybody from tmc.

Washington posted trope. Ge, just by attacking you everyday. But they won't. why?

Well, because unfortunately, most of the american media may be onest about this. So most of the american media is, in fact, part of the very corrupt system that they pretend to report on, right? That's that's that's the answer.

So okay. So if you're I mean, first of all, the the news media business has been totally disseminated by big tech, by the way. Like the reason why we don't really have local papers anymore is in a twenty year period, all of the advertising revenue that used to go like classified ads in local papers now goes through google, facebook so forth.

So if you're a journalist, there's a very good chance that your paycheck fundamental depends on the people who are getting rich off of the system. Now that doesn't mean, by the way, and and I know a lot of them actually like them personally. It's one of my many faults as I like journalists personally.

But the thing that they will say is they really believe the things that they are reporting and they really believe that what they're saying, what they're doing is the truth, and they're right about that. By the way. Don't think that most of them are liars. I think most of them are just deleted. No offense, guys.

But if they weren't deluded and if there was somebody who was actually really asking, well, why are we spending so much time attacking Donald drop because he dared to bring up the haien migrant problem and shrinking field, and instead, why are we spending so much time attacking him instead of, I don't know, investigating any of the numerous issues that cover the Harris flip flops on in just the last three years. If there was a reporter who wanted to do that, they would not last long as as media conditions. So there's a basic selection bias.

If you're a person who can honest, sly, look at american society and say, I wait a second american life expecting y is declining, right? The only industrialized country in the world. With that true, we continue to be more and more reliant on some of our biggest international adversity to make the things that we need. Oh, and we're sleep walking into a and in other words, a world war with a president who clearly doesn't even know who the hell or where the hell is. Like maybe the honest thing would be to really aggressively interrogate how we got here.

But no, no, no, no, don't know what the journalists having instead decided to do is they're going to focus on like a sex scandal from two days ago from like that involves some random journalists who I don't even know I have ever been met, right? There's like this weird sex canal story going right now. The media is assessed with there.

I don't think there's any actual sex in the sex.

and I think that's right. But but the media is more focused on that than they are on the fact that we are sleep walking into world war three with joe as the present united states. And the reason why we have joe biden is because commonly heroes lied about his mental fitness for office.

Like if you actually care about the truth, ask those questions and leave the solaces bullshit to the tabloids. But they can't do that. And if they did tucker again, if they did, a lot of them would lose their jobs. And so IT selects for people who are very trusting of the system, and not for people who actually want to .

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It's just wild that one of the things that they've been able to ignore completely is the number of politically motivated prosecutions over the last four years. I think the congresswoman from this district, actually, scot Harry, got a hassle by the FBI. I think I may be missing this.

I think Scott is here. By the way, great country scope out there. Hello.

how are you feel for asking? This is my read, not is, but asking questions about the last election. That's not a criminal offence.

I know a bunch of people were in jail right now, right now for political reasons in our country. That's never really reported on. Its bizarre. And I guess the question is, if you guys lose, what would stop that from just becoming universal?

yes. Well, I don't know that anything would because the animating bias to the animating motivation, I should say, of commoner's, is democratic party is censorship. Because without censorship, you can't get all the old things that they want, like you can't get the ridiculous foreign policy or ridiculous trade policy, the wide open borders without sensor ship.

And so if you look, and this is, by the way, I think this is actually the fundamental difference between the overheated political etr c on the left and on the right. And I hate, by the way, when people both sides this issue are like, well, we all need to turn down the rta c, well, look, by the way, I try to be a very humble person. I agree, we can all turn out the redirect.

None of us is perfect, including me. But when Donald trump has taken two assassination attempts in the last seven weeks, it's not both sides that need to turn down the red. It's one side of particular. And you had to ask.

But if you look at .

what is the animating focus of the political prosecutions of the big text censorship in twenty and twenty, and all the censorship around covered of the fact of the european union, which basically won't exist without american taxpayer protection, I mean, europe, like only two countries in europe, even have real militaries at this point. Nato is, at this point, a welfare client of the united states of america. So europe is going after elon mask for free speech and threatened to imprison him for platforming who Donald trump, who is the likely next president of the united states, you go down the list. The animation bias is censorship.

And if you think about IT, what is the ultimate way if you've tried to bankrupt a person and you've tried to jail a person and you've tried to throat person in prison, you've tried to kick them out of office, you've and peach them twice, what is the ultimate way to sensor human being taking their life? And I think this is really the difference between political rhetoric on the left and the right, which, again, we don't always get IT right on my side of the aisle. But we are never saying we want to, since with the other side, we in fact want to have the debate.

We're telling comment here. You should do more interviews, not less. You should get out there more because we get about one hundred thousand votes every time you open your moth. But we. buy.

All kidding aside, all kidding aside, we are not trying to sensor the left. The left is trying to sensor not just the right, but the entire country, which goes to show they are a threat to democracy. They cannot be rewarded with more political power to be analyzed. It's like we're .

when a kid I was.

i've learned as as a Young father, when a kids screws up and he just let them, you reward them for IT. They actually do IT more, and they do IT worse. The only way to reward commoner herr's is by making your president and the only way to punish her and say, look, we don't expect censorship of our fellow citizens is to fire her and back for cisco. That's where he belongs.

So given that, I mean, every news out that i've ever worked out, which is a lot of them, they're all controlled, obviously. And given that the biggest tech platforms would be google and youtube, same company opening practice, censorship, all kind of you can talk about, take you off really. We're talking about x actually was I X is the place for free speech lives here.

And if you were to take that out, dark just would descend. That is a fact. And if you want another such italian impulses of your ruling class with the landing magazine where they announced all of IT aad of time, and they're telling you now that we need to shut down elon mosques x because they're just wait too much free speech. And I wonder how seriously you would take those threads.

I think them very seriously. And me look, if we learned anything the last four years, as when these people say they want to do something, they actually mean IT and they intend to do IT.

We actually at six, the series, I mean, when commute heroes ran saying that we wanted to spending potations reimplement ted kitchen release, which is basically just mass asylum fraud, and stop down the trumps to remain mexico policy, even though I didn't vote for, I vote for for all. Well, I thought, well, this is crazy. They're not actually going to do this.

And then they did so when they say that they want to use the force of law to silence, or in prison, elon musk, for daring to host a free speech platform, we have to listen to them. And that is the one thing. The most awesome power in the physical world today is the united states government, millions of people, the world's largest, the most powerful military. If we give that over to people who are saying, not only we disagree with Donald trump, not only do we disagree with donal trump supporters, but we want to prevent them from participating in the american democratic system, that is some scary shit, and we need to reject IT. And that's exactly what I think, by the way, with your help are going to do so.

Thank you for doing this. This has been a really interesting and amazing conversations. So last question for you. So I think if I read this correctly, that dont trump has announced that he will not allow states municipalities going forward, if elected in november, to continue being so called sancy cities, which means places or entire states in these fifty united states that openly ignore federal immigration, which must be federal, is applied to all of us, and that affects our national someone comes in the one day and go to your day. And I just thinking, reading this, like this is been going on for decades.

Any state or city that has a sancy city law is an open rebellion in the way that for sumpter was an open rebellion against the government, the united states. Why have we allowed this to go on for decades? I don't understand.

Well, the answers we've allowed us to go on because the federal government still funds all of these cities, like the sanctuary cities, is stuff is very expensive. Because when you invite millions of illegal alien into your country, and in certain cities and municipalities invite thousands or even tens of thousands, the cost to illegal immigration in york city, I believe, is north of six billion dollars a year.

In chicago, I think it's around five hundred million dollars. Well, that money doesn't come from chicago taxpayers. IT primarily comes through federal subsidies.

So if you want to, in sanctuary cities, just cut off the money, speak at the sanctuary cities. You don't get our taxpayer or money if you refuse to enforce the law. It's actually this one.

Some of itself is really complicated. This one is actually very simple. The federal government just needs to say, we control immigration law. There are something the states and local governments control, the federal government controls, like foreign policy, immigration law and a few of the things. And if you are not going to obey federal immigration laws and where we're going to cut off the paycheck, we're to cut off the money, and you have to enforce laws in order to get any more money from the area.

Well, but I know, but when central high school disobey federal law, little rock in nineteen fifty, sixty at one hundred and first airboat, yes. And I this has been going on where states and cities are like, we basic our own countries now and no one stand anything. Can you just really quick tell us the mindset that allowed washington to ign this?

Oh, well, I don't think it's that washington is ignoring IT tucker. I think that IT actually shows where the real power is. And that's with the federal bureaucracy, our mutual friend, that they swale talks a lot about this, that the real and. Again, you hear this term threat to democracy is always projection. When they talk about threats of democracy, they're always projecting on something else like the real threats of democracy.

You and I ve talked about this is if president of the united states orders generals to do a trophy deployment, and the generals refuse or alive the president about what they've done, like that's a threats to democracy, by the way, that happened at the very end of Donald trump presents y right? And none of those people got fired. None of them were even punished.

So you ask about immigration and sanctuary cities. The answer to this question is the permanent bureaucracy. And washington doesn't what is to have.

So even when you have a guy like Donald sharp who is using all of the powers of the presidency to try to enforce the southern border, like the bushcraft have to listen to him on that issue because they report to him, but they can make IT easier for the state and municipalities to violate immigration law. And that's how they severity the will of the american people is elected president. I mean, this is like a fundamental question.

Ask yourself.

who amongst the united states of america, which citizens voted to have twenty five million illegalities invade this country? I don't think anyone, even democrats, who disagree with me about exactly what to do with the illegal immigration. I don't think that they voted for a literal invasion.

This country, okay, you took about inflation and all the unaffordable city problems who voted to in the name of environmental cleanliness, to shut down american energy and ship to china, which is the dirtiest economy in the entire world. Nobody voted for that. So what these guys do, albeit by the media, is they run on slogans.

The media covers up for IT. They pretend that those slogans have substance. And then even when the american people see through the B. S.

And like a guy like Donald rob, the permanent fights in every step of the way, one of the most important things stucker that we are going to do when we win is that we are going to make the bureaucracy responsive to the american people. IT has to happen. If you don't do that, you don't have a real confusion.

I mean, you're really gonna need to be tough to get that done. Or you confident you can do that?

Tucker, i'm confident we can do IT because nobody has ever really tried because for forty years, we haven't had a real political opposition in this country. And now we do think about, I mean, just take the three basic issues that we talked about, trade policy, immigration policy, foreign policy.

There are disagreements, even within the republican party, about those issues, but every single one of those issues are winning issues with the american people. So what we're saying is, crazy as that sounds, we think the american people should have a government that reflects their best interests and their actual preferences. And we're going to fight every single day to make that happen. And there's no reason to do this.

And you look, as you know, my life was like .

very easy before I ran for political office. And dad, trumps was way easier than mine. We're only doing this because we think that we can get IT done, and we have to get IT done to save the country.

So I just want to stop by repeating something you just said. For forty years, we haven't had an opposition party, and now we do.

God bless you. Thank you guys. Remember, go vote, know them, friends, vote before, or vote on of them for godless, you guys.

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