Dave Smith: Tim Walz, Trump vs. Rogan, and Who Is Really Running the Country?
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I like to measure IT in crews and assiniboin mpt. So I was here one cup and one assassination attempts.

Now it's the first week of second of August, and IT feels like a different country. Yeah.

isn't that something?

Yeah, what's happened between may and .

now and as association attempt in a co, yeah, that's for one olympics. So basically .

the busiest period american history. But what forgot to all happened .

or something is really amazing. IT is really it's unbelievable. And I think that like both me and you when when I interviewed you on my podcast, which I don't remember when that was, but with several months before I came out here and we were both kind of talking about how, you know trying to make predictions about the rest of two thousand, twenty four is difficult.

But the one thing you know is it's gonna be crazy like it's gonna be something nearly wild. You could just feel that. And at this point, like how do we even accelerate from here? And I think we're going to by the way, I don't I think we've got several more crazy things to go before in november .

so you can predict them. What do you for .

see is so hard right now. I mean, I i've really have a tough time because this I did not see this coming. I didn't see koala Harris, uh, being the person that was always everyone who .

was speculating about going to for Hillary .

clinton or Michelle ama and everybody even even in the corporate media in the moment when they admitted the emperor was naked after that debate, even all of them, we're speculating the birds yeah right? exactly. Even all of them, we're speculating about who IT would be if joe biden dropped out and then kala haris was not the person because she's so I mean awful at this and deep, unpopular, yes. And so now they've switched into a new emperors, new closed mode where there is this totally astro turf fake. You know, kalahari went from being the most unpopular vice president ever to a cultural phenomenon.

The one thing this nation needed was more common here.

It's just, it's very bizarre re, to watch IT you know I said this last time we were here that I always I like to call them storms like when you're in middle of massive propaganda storm that I always love the example I mentioned this last time, I don't know why, I just this example when Donald drumm said he was going to pull out of syria, he ultimately be back down on and didn't do yes. But and for two weeks in the media, IT was the cards.

What about .

the cards? Yes, the curds. We will never betrayed .

the curds before. So my grandfather to don't portray the cards .

and then it's like ever since then.

no one's meant to do this. Yeah right, right.

That's right. It's so important but it's all but there's like these weird propaganda storms and then they kind of subsidy and like now so saying right now, if I were to say, um you know a lot of people who took the cover of vacation, got vaccine injured, there's no there's no energy to that is not risking anything like, oh god, my channels going to get a one couple years ago that was a really risky thing to say.

I lived here .

because you are in that storm. So the storm right now is that kala Harris has this massive grassroots support. That's why when he ran for president in two thousand and nine, SHE had to drop out before .

I OA SHE get they'll take us .

the whole show IT account them up. Uh, but like, come on. I mean, look, however, if you feel about people, those people I despise politically, sure I I cannot stand berny standards politically.

I hate socialism or whatever he is. He's not exactly associated. But whatever he is, I hate IT.

But at real .

grass root support for real, real grass, exactly tens of millions of of americans, or yes, down trump, however you feel about as real grass roots support, brock obama, however you feel about real grass roots support. You know what they all have in common. They didn't drop out before IOS because nobody with a real grass root support doesn't make IT to the first contest. And cama Harris is not as if he was a bernie Sanders or say like a ron paul or a denis centage. SHE had major donors behind ter SHE took much of the the clinton campaign I I mean he was touted by the corporate media as like the candidate when he first announced in twenty and twenty and still with all that couldn't get to eye s so in other words, I think the whole common haris thing is fake um it's all astro typed I think if there was a real election today, I don't see how he could beat Donald trump but all of that you know is so maybe the we .

don't know .

that that's going happen.

Of course I have but I wonder though if the lesson is, may we've been taken in by the solution that is about people, when really it's about machines, the machinery of in the party system, particularly democratic party. And the kind of doesn't matter or commoner's is, is like what a record is, what he believes, what sh'll do or not do. SHE is no role in any of that. She's just to stand in for the alert. I yeah I mean.

we're gonna have just feel that, yes.

well, it's an interesting .

where kind of running that experiment right now to see how fake IT is or how how little the people actually matter. I will say, at least with joe biden, the they prove they couldn't do IT with him like he was too much that to to be able to pull that off. So the machine just like everything, right? Just like the U.

S empire governments in general, they're not gods. There are limits to their power. The question is like, can they pull this off? It's interesting to me that .

is a really smart point and i'm glad you said that because IT actually makes me feel Better.

Yeah well.

that's our limit. They're yes.

That's right. Well, I mean, look, there's lots of examples of that. Like every foreign policy decision in the last twenty plus years actually can do everything. They think that we can do a lot. I mean, we can take down nations, uh, we can build them.

We've learned that but you know with joe biden there was a really weird mix of things that happened and one of them is there there is a cornel of truth, just a kernal l of truth to the corporate media narrative um which is that obviously you know like me I knew were talking I I think that listens two thousand nineteen about joe biden's very obvious cognitive decline was like IT was very clear when he came back around after being vice president. Like if you listen to him back in in twenty sixteen when he was made the decision not to run, yes, he said he was because he wasn't over his son or whatever. But we know that was really because obama pushed i'm sabor of clinton even though was kind of his turn.

Traditionally speaking, he was the vice president, but back then he kind of was joe biden oh, and then once he came back around, running in two thousand and twenty was like, well, this isn't job ad in anymore. But the cornal of truth to the media narrative is that it's also true that IT got drastically worse, like IT got whatever IT was. IT went from being a thing where, I mean, I remember on your on your fox show in two thousand and nine, you'd be like playing these clips SE of him where he'd go, he get the state wrong.

He was telling these weird story IT. IT was very clear but he was he was still a little bit like hit or miss yeah like he had have one speech where he kind of was OK than the next speech ruo. He looks like he has dementia know was like whatever joe biden showed up and he did the debate, what did you do?

One or two debates in twenty twenty, I think, did they do too, I can't remember, but he got through them. I mean, trump kind of a talk over trumped a real tactical error, yes. And just dominate IT where you want to let you .

buy and talk as we learned.

Yes, commuting the microphones really work from favor and in that debate but lately, it's not like every other speech. He's bad. He can't pull off one. He can't pull off any .

still president who is the president? The united states?

Well, yet we don't have one um and this .

is so well this so this .

is what's crazy to me right is like um so if you look at first of all the distinction, which I think should be um obvious more and more people is that the the distinction politically that matters right now is not left first right IT is a IT that is just not true. It's it's one thing that man IT drives me crazy mongst like republican voters and even republican leaders that they still want to see things in that distinction.

They still want to go the far left Nancy polo CIA whatever it's like age she's not really far left. It's SHE uses far left language but these people it's not you know calling come ala is a common minister whatever. And I know people were setting this clip um these are people who work for jp more yes, they're not communist.

They're for big business and and they like you have a look at this clip he's talking about equality of outcomes like SHE doesn't understand what that means. Course it's not really common. They're using left his language course they're not al, they're neal. Liberals are four big business so the distinction is not left or right. The distinction is like um establishment was dissidence or um corrupt verse honest or something like that. That's why that's why a gin Green world is not on the opposition team to us and mitch mcconnell, our ally right it's not about that um but so one of the that's for sure right so one of the things that the establishment has, which is really something i've been marveling at lately um is there a tip unvaried ssa's discipline something that us the the dissidents could never dream of that I mean it's just unbelieved but you see some of like the compilations of the corporate media is just like y they is hey, j advances is weird. That's the line this week.

tim, all is a vane and I you had on .

your a fox .

yeah won the .

book on north korea and he's just really smart guy and and hilarious and great guy. But he pointed this out that know when a few years ago, when joe rogan was taking iver mecon h, his doctor .

prescribed ed an iver .

mac after fish cleaner. the. There are a million different things that ever mcteer does, yet they all picked horse d warmer and repeated that.

And then, you know, you can look at sharp as attack, joby and sharpers attack. Sharpers attack. Everyone said this in private meetings.

He sharpers attack these people. Forget the shortest lived propaganda. The campaign ver, which was way back last month, was a cheap fix. Yeah, you mean, for a week you told that there are these videos that kind of like deep fix, what distinguish them from deep fixes?

That there are real videos, but you see, talker told they're trying to make IT look like joe biden is old and seen out, but that's all just bulshed whatever. So they stay on message. They very much stay on message whether the the mega movement has nothing like that.

And part of that is because Donald trump s at the top and Donald drumm doesn't stay on message that how he works, he's a stream of conscious type thinker who uh, goes on stage and doesn't even know what he's going to talk about. He figures IT out while he's up there. There's something kind of endearing about that.

And there's but more fundamentally, one movement is about the individual right and the other is about the collective absolutely election care about your opinion.

Well, it's it's amazing, right? Just that even of these people who work in places that you used to work in and some places you didn't work, but like people at the new york times of the rosana post or C N N R N cbs, that, like all of them, at least in their own mind, still pretend to be journalists, and yet they have, they're somehow able to just repeat the talking point exactly verb to, as everyone else does. Anyway, my point is we don't want to be that because we don't want to be like we don't want to all just be mindless drones.

However, IT is its amazing to me that Donald trump, no, none of his circuits, no one like on the pro trump side, seems to be able to effectively hit a haris with what is the most obvious thing to hit her with its the greatest scandal in american history, which is like what you just say that we don't have a president we the president of the united states, everybody has essentially admitted is too senile to run for president yet he's going to be president until january. We are in a proxy war with the biggest nuclear power in the history of the world. And we have another uh proxy war eh type thing that looks to be um devolving into a wider regional war in israel and we don't have a president.

This is like the biggest scandal in the history of the republic if we're a republic anymore. And and ka Harris is directly implicated in this like he was one of the major people lying through her teeth. That job I didn't sharp as attack in private meetings.

And IT seems like somehow the trump campaign has not been able to effectively hit her for this. It's like right there in fun of us that you polling jail bite and out. Was IT admitting that is too seen to run for president? yes.

And yet you're not invoking with twenty five member. This is what it's for. He clearly can be president. And then what does that say about the machine that they are quite happy with, that that that works very well for them?

H, I mean, there are two levels in which is upsetting. One is the practical level, which is you probably do want a commander in chief if you're on the cup of nuclear war, which we are. But the others philosophical and speaks to whether a current system can continue. I mean, we're just admitting now the things that we don't have an executive, that we don't need an executive, this is governed, that we are governed by an unelected body of people whose names we don't know, no.

whose motives we don't understand.

like what and and also as as we all range right?

And as we all know, the only reason they pulled job and is because I came, they became clearly couldn't win but if he could have one, they would be quite happy to keep him in that like they like that. It's probably Better that they don't have this guy who ever now and then might think he's president .

of the united states. why? No curiosity about who they is?

good. I mean, I can enter that.

I mean, I think most people assume obama is at the top of that permit, but I can confirm that we don't know. I haven't heard really anybody in a position of authority asked, like who does run the government?

yeah. And I don't know that there is an easy I mean, I don't know the answer to that, but I don't know that there is I don't think it's obama. I mean, I think obama has influence, you know, but I don't know how much obama really ran the government when he was president of the united states.

I know I certainly know that he he definitely at the very beginning got rolled by his generals um and I think that he you know I don't exactly know where he was on some of these issues but at least with like what he ran on in terms of health care was not what obama care was at all. In fact, if you remember way back in ancient history, in two thousand eight, he, Hillary clinton, was the one who was for the individual Mandate, of course, and he criticized her. I actually thought he was a great line he had in the debate.

He was like, the individual Mandate solves the health insurance crisis in the same way that Mandatory you buy a house solves the homelessness problem, which would like a great line today and that's totally exactly right. How does that help anything to Mandate you buy something that you've already deemed you can afford to buy? Um but then that's what obama care ultimately wasn't why is I know, good for the the insurance companies.

So it's like IT seems to me like key was always getting rolled by. What are the powerful interests, which are essentially big business that owns the government, use as the government as a tool to increase their profits. So I don't know I mean, I don't know who's really running things.

Is the director national intelligence? Is that, uh, bindon's chief of staff? I I don't know, but it's not by and that for sure.

And commonly, haris seems like kind of float them on the waves of history herself like she's is he making independent judgments and choices that is SHE driving her own narrative?

I don't think so. I don't think SHE stands for anything. You know. I don't think I think she's just like I don't think there's one issue ever where it's like, no, he believes in this passions and she's going and she's going to stand up and try her best to make sure this goes through.

It's kind of like, you know he was a an aggressive uh, prosecutor in california, but if he was a prosecutor right now in california, sure sh'd be one of these progress of prosecutors. It's just like, which way was the wind blowing? Is that the thing to get me more power?

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is is a good question. And you know I think that I think our system has worked this way for a very long time. What's really drastically changed is that people have really woken up to IT ah um some mix of several things obviously like the internet is a huge part of that and social media and stuff like that.

And then also just the trump omen on the kind of the deep state coming out of the shadows to some degree you know and even I know i've heard you talk about this uh the clip before and I played a million times on my podcast uh but where chuck humor was on with Rachel and he says the thing which is amazing moment because if you look SHE, SHE goes off script and SHE asked and SHE even says before he asked the question, SHE goes, I don't mean to put you on the spot here, but president elect Donald trump is in january of two thousand and sixteen. He won the election, is not president at president of elections al trump was just tweet, you know, whatever I would talk and shit to the CIA, whatever and he just off off the cuff. F, in a real moment, because I would not do that. I was like the most honest thing, shock .

humors .

ever said you.

But I never really believed I. I didn't really believe any of that. I was hunting, probably ten years go down in self texas right than rio grand on ops range.

And this guy comes out with a box about this big and up, an Ariel, like a fiber glass wine that went up in the end of IT was connected to a recon tail and IT was a coyote call, and they turned the thing on, and IT made the sound of a dying animal, like just heart, like from the depth of hates, this sound. And then this tail was whip around in the airlines to wear thing and everything in my life. And out of nowhere, we think about three minutes, all these animals shoot up was a big cat, all these coyotes.

And I thought, that kind of what trump is. He like a coyote college. He shows up and out of this landscape that looks desperate, like nobody s going on. All of a sudden, the predators command, and you see for the first time you were always surrounded by these things. They were always there. You just didn't see them I mean, yeah and I felt that way very much about the intel agencies like of course, I applied to work at when I knew they were there um but I really had no idea that degree with they're running .

everything well. I think that there exactly right right. So it's like it's not um so I say in like the nineties when I was a kid um and and if my parents you know had a you know like that you always have a cross fire was before you were on IT .

was the pp you can I D have .

or whatever they're be and they knew the C I A exist that is not where and then they were like it's a super secret by organization that does super secret spy stuff inst right but I was never like I thought like, okay the the presidential election between clinton and bob doll is coming up. How much is the C, I, A just crafting the illusion of what we see and from us that never would have been a thought.

Now that's a thought that a lot of people's minds about, like the whole thing is fake. There's a great quote, uh, that your A C, I A guy had when you asked about the Kennedy association is such a great line because yes was involved. It's all fake. It's all fake. That's the perfect .

line to the but we know that I mean, I think people know that. They know that that's why people ever is going crazy and really getting down these rabid holes. Understand why.

But like, how is that? Does that ever change? Like once you know this, can you UNO IT? Yeah, that's a really .

good question. And I don't think, I don't think so. I I think you can put that tooth paste back in the tube.

I think ultimately, that's problem, probably at least at this point, that trumps great accomplishment. You know for Better or worse, I think it's for the Better. I think it's Better to know things um then to be in a state of ignorance. But that is there is no getting away from that and it's also it's past the point, especially for trump supporters. I think we're way past the point of them ever believing the system is real like even in in uh, twenty twenty if let's just say hypotheses ticals that the election was completely on the open up and there was no you know fraud involved .

in the N N saying .

that stuff we know is real right? Even the time magazine that they were yes. Like, so if you if you had a guy in Donald trump with the entire media class and political class told IT cannot be this guy and not just like your opposition like me.

Romney, the former the last nome, before he said, anyone but this guy, everyone said, you can have this guy and the voters decided, no, we want this guy. This is who we want. And so they framed him for treason, for the sitting U.

S. President, for treason without foreign hostel power that completely collapsed. weird. You don't hear anything about that.

Isn't that just that itself so crazy that a vatum putin's plant is possibly gone to be president again and no one in the media is even mentioning that is a thing and yet also not like it's like learn not how can you do neither of those things? How can you either say like, oh, russia's about to have control of the White house again, or, hey, we were wrong about that whole russia having control of the White house thing, but anyway, so they they frame them for trees, and they impeach him twice. They rate his home and morale go, they know all these things that happen.

How would you ever after that? If trump losers, let's say, how would any trump supporter ever accept that this was real, that he had to read, you know what I mean, that that our team actually lost and your team actually won. It's always gonna viewed as like.

what IT is. So, such a point at breakfast, which I wish we had filmed, because I was great, but about how there's no effort by the establishment of washington, both parties, to win over people who support trump. There's no effort convince them to control them IT feels like the people who run the country of actually hate a lot of the country for real yeah and .

there's um I was thinking about this. I recently um we watched a pp u canons speech from the nineteen ninety two uh convention which was in an amazing speech and he was a speech rider for the next and he was really, really good to, oh you know like that was kind of his thing and I got the media flipped out about that they called that the culture war speech that wasn't like really that culture war really but there was this one point where he said something along the lines of a he was talking about being on the campaign trail.

He had run and chAllenged George H. W. bush. This was him coming back into throw his supporters behind hw um a mistake in my opinion but he gave a great speech regardless. But he said at one point that he was out there you know, when he was talking to people who are really struggling as he was you know, there was some woman who was talking about how he lost her job um and they were going to maybe take her kid away from her and then there was some guy who's worked at a plant that was gonna close down and he was like, please save our jobs and is kind of like touching moments and his message to the republicans was like, look like, these people are our people. There are fellow country en.

And we have to like, we have to get back in touch with them and he said at one point, he goes, they don't expect miracles from us, but they have to at least know that we care like that. That's kind of IT. And it's amazing how little IT takes.

You know, like one of the things about this, a uh, wall's guy, which he is one of the things I think is one of the reasons why they picked them is that he at least gets that you're supposed to talk about issues that maybe regular people might care about, you know and at almost this is why some of these old distinctions uh, are as meaningful anymore I mean don't mean you want like I I am for lazy fair free markets. I'm a libertarian. I do not like socialism um but at least someone like bernie Sanders is talking about like your health care costs.

what are the banks of all the power.

you things that like kind of matter where's like the corporate media is totally obsessed over like january six.

climate change.

climate change, racism even like democracy in this kind of weird abstraction the way they think about IT it's but no like that it's like, you know what people care about is like Price inflation. My groceries are thirty percent more expected. That's like a big deal.

And so anyway, I think the pap you can in point was like you gotta least give them something, just something, try to do something for these people. And IT would I would think I would take very little. I mean, like I think i've heard you say this before, ward, it's just kind of like, alright, you guys get your wall.

You know I know OK Donald trump one and all you guys wanted to build. okay. So we're going to build all because like it's kind of a symbol that you still have a little bit of say in how the country is run, and we're going to give you that and maybe like two other little things.

And we're going to keep all of the profits that we're raking in, in the like, something they don't want to offer any deal to the trump supporters to try to pull them back in to this system. And that is very creepy to me. Well.

it's ominous ous too, because if you don't care what people think we first want to democratic required, I think so. You know, I guess we can sell that question. No, it's not a democracy or even in republic. But if you don't care, then you can conna do. There is no limit what you can do to them.

Yeah, well, that's right. That's right. And and but also is even whether democracy or not um because obviously we're not a democracy and obviously we're not a republic. We're in olaga chy. That's a world empire yes, that's really how you would describe america. Um but even in A A authoritarian dictatorship there's limits to what you can do to your people you know I mean there's like you that you have to at least convince them that you're doing something on behalf of them otherwise people want uh put up with that anymore.

That requires a lot of force to rule out in a true autocratic way. And even in middle turn the occasion ve seen know the king of the crown prince for the guy in charge takes the temperature of the country every in the U A, E. Every week.

You know that how the country has to sit there while people from the province is give in and complain to him in this house, right? And it's it's not just a kawuki like there. You know, you have to keep in touch with what people want, and you short to have to deliver some percent, at least pretend you are right yeah.

yeah, you think so. I mean, it's kind of like a right in in friendship .

or a yeah and that make IT makes me worry about what happens if he wins .

yeah well, i'm me too although there is a you can know I I think I think um like trump supporters and people who are a who are I think truly dissidents of of this regime have to you know look like I said, we're never gone. Have the message discipline of the establishment. And that's okay.

I we don't want that. I think we do have to be wiser about like how exactly are we going to attack this thing. You know like i'm i'm like i'm a hard core libertarian and there's that's a very small group of people in this country there. There's some, you know, but there's not that many.

Now there's enough that like Donald trump came to the libertarian convention because so like presidential elections are close these days in any little block like helps but if you not like trump supporters, okay, hey, you got tens of millions of people in this country and you could see where look, there's real lessons to be learned um from last years the boy cots of target and bud light ET just in that forget even like politics, just in terms of being consumers. Hey, look at the power you guys have. If you decide to do something, you can really do something, and you can change the the direction of the culture, the direction of the country.

But you got to be really smart about when you decide to do IT and who you decide to go after. If man was frustrating me to see, like the Donald trump gets shot, the head, you know, does this, and it's the reason why he's alive. If he hadn't done that, his brains are blown out on national television.

Now what we know about this, and obviously there's a lot more to uncover, but it's just a best case scenario. IT was a wild failure, uh you know like failure that you really can even imagine. If you seen some of the videos, this kid is walking around and scoping out the area for the over an hour before he's there, he's allowed to be on a roof that's uh, hundred and fifty yards away from the former president of the united states, america. People on the ground are screaming, this guy is got a gun and okay.

so like, but joe biden's employees are IT right, joe?

And yes, all other things that they have done in a this to happen. yes. And two weeks later, all of right wing twitter is up in arms about some chinese in the opening ceremony of the olympics.

And it's like guys focus like, you know like, come on, man, I don't like that stuff either and I think it's awful that they're shoving that everyone's face that should been at the opening ceremonies. But hey, no, no, no, no, no, no. Outrage is a finite resource, just like everything else.

And we are outraged about this thing. You know like not that we're outraged about this and all IT would take would be a little bit of focus. Okay, we're not going to have the message discipline of the the corporate media, but like just a little bit of focus from the distance to just like that pick like four things that we're gonna focus on all of our energy like that.

We're getting the bottom that association attempt. What the hell happened there? You know, they could do IT.

We could figure that out. This isn't Kennedy, where we have one, you know, film that we have to all rely on. We got a bunch of different camera angles. We ve got, we contract this kid cell phone. We could do all types of different things.

And like to me, the mage man, my first message to every like amErica first type, or or even like, or the glen Green world like true tests or anyone who's kind of a distant of this regime, it's like the the rule is we only support amErica first non intervention st candidates. And anybody who has anything to say to you about war with around is your enemy. You're not on their side and you're not supporting them.

You will not support linsey gram. You know how? How let the democrat get in.

Who cares? Is IT any worse? Can lin si gram know? Would be much Better?

Problem is Better, of course, because it's more straight forward. I plebe agree with you completely and it's and IT is the neocons. It's all the republican senate committee chairman, it's linsey gram, it's much meconic, it's all the creeper, uh, war worshippers who will immediately on every other issue p around and betray you fundamental corrupt.

And you just don't agree with, no, maybe some of them are nice people. I haven't i'm sure that they exist but um yeah they shouldn't be in the coalition. But to the assassination IT seems like you know the difference between you know climate change or equity or systemic racism and assassination is the bullets are real.

We can measure their trajectory. We can measure their effect. We saw a video like that's actually real in the whether or is real violence is real. And so that's gotto be at the top position of concern, right?

Ah yeah one hundred.

And I don't I don't understand how we could just a lied right past that.

Yeah, yeah.

What do you think actually happened?

No, I I got to say it's just IT looks like IT is what IT obviously is yeah I I mean, I just I don't know like I don't know enough to prove the case. I did see there was um there was I can't remember who somebody at the blaze um who had they had reported that you know you know uh it's not just the .

government whose track .

is a buy. So had a phone from the shooter's house that had gone to dc and been at this spot that's like known to be where FBI .

meets with like the .

infor and stuff. What are we looking at here? Of course? You know I mean it's like look, let's just say there's a like a serial killer uh in a neighbor od and they've killed like eleven people and then there's a twelve person who's dead and you see that serial killer leave in their house on video.

It's like, okay, i'm not saying that maybe not enough evidence to go to a court of law and and prove beyond a reasonable doubt that this person killed them. But I feel like if world just looking at that where I pretty on my starting assumption is gonna, that guy did IT, you know what I mean? And like just every list you predicted this A A A year ago, yeah, I was great. We were obviously on the trajectory .

to ending all the time .

that happens. IT is pretty difficult to not go uh, all over, right? I mean, because if it's not that, then you think, okay, so what explains this guy being block away from the FBI building? A what explains the fact that this was a low happen? I think it's just so it's so hard to understand what other explanation that by administration .

clearly planted or allowed the planting up. But I think they clearly did plant pipe bombs on the morning of january six in front of the d in the R, N C. Common heroes was at the D.

N. C. That morning. I an, I think that's shown, yeah.

and nobody cares. You were the only guy in cable news who would repeatedly bring this up. Literally nobody else. Nobody else is even interested in what?

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You gotto pay close attention. Don't let the three card money thing distract you. Yeah, you know, the moving while not shell.

Just remember, what you care about is who's got the guns? Yeah, yeah. Watch the guns.

That's what I think we don't pay any attention all to what's happening in the next military, which is clearly wildly protists. Ze has not acted and not ideological. It's practical.

No, you suborn the people with guns. You control the people with guns, and then you have power because it's out of the barely begun. The public power grows, right? Yeah right. So I don't know why no one has focused on that stuff. But if the secret service, heavily armed federal agency is a political tool, then I mean, then it's like you really have to rethink the time .

one hundred two point about the the three card monkey thing is like what I was saying about the olympic opening ceremonies, right, is that there are like, there are these things that are clearly done to trigger, right? When us course like this is we're just doing the thing that makes the conservative DNA blood boil, right? And so like, okay, be aware of that.

Now i'm not even i'm not saying that there is not a point where that is necessary to fight. And like you know there if they're coming after my children or something like that or teaching like this garbage to kids, okay no what listen I I get IT that is something that's worth uh that's worth dying over you know what I mean and i'm not suggesting anybody do anything illegal or common. I'm just saying that like someone coming after your children is something okay that must be fought um but also just at least recognize that like yes, this is a tactic.

It's a distraction tactic to get you caught up in the latest outrage of the day and then also to look crazy to Normal people you know so like they're like to someone who's in the middle or maybe someone who's like a kind of a more liberal person, but they're not part of an evil cub all or just you know grew up in broken land or whatever. It's like they just see right where you like and these guys are like obsessed over like whether there was a dude and address at the opening ceremony like that. It's much easier to dismiss you.

Where's if you're like relentlessly focused on something that really matters. It's much more difficult. And so that's a big part of that, right? Like yet don't get distracted by the three card monday. And then to your point, I think that um about like who controls the guns.

I think that's also A A big part of the reason why they are they been so um triggered by the trump movement in general is also because Donald trump is leading a rightwing populist movement, right? And that's very scary to elites because it's art. It's armed and tough yes, you know I mean, like a left wing.

popular should be a ID. Yeah they are afraid.

Yeah no, I think I think that's right. And you know I was talking about this I was I was done with um can do I just did her podcast last weekend. I was talking about this, but it's not like they're not a fan of lettering populum either, you know yeah no they don't like IT. Um no I mean.

we went to a war with russia to hide the fact that they rig the primaries against burning Sanders, a left turing popular like right.

right. And there's a reason why they break the election against berny standards is a reason why he was unacceptable to them. But IT neck and free got quite the way they did over Donald trump.

And I think a lot of that because if you look at the people in berne, Sanders movement, what like? Okay, you've armed you. You've gotten all of the male feminists together.

Okay, good, good luck with, you know, that overthrowing power, however, when you get every barrel chested man in, every gun enthusiast, every outdoors men and and also a ton of cops and military, which by the way, I think kind of explains what you're talking about with the politicising of the military. It's been and that was a big part of what the vaccine date was too. We got to get some of these guys out of here.

you know like they are afraid of testosterone and they want to identify who's got IT in abundance and they want to isolate and punish those people why they're against nick ti, that's why walls raise the taxes on nickey pouches for the first. They are not car. There is no evidence, by the way, that nickey is a question and it's not that we know of.

It's it's all a lie. And what they hate about nickel is that raises test, taste on levels, even suppress that fact as a fact on google, google nickey and testa drone, and see how many results IT takes you to get to the correct, which is, yes, naa, use raising st. Teston levels. Man IT is weigh down. And that's not an accident.

They are afraid of test one hundred percent. That's like completely right. And even on top of even like sah cigarettes, where like there's certainly is some evidence that like cigarettes are very, very whelming evidence and some cigarettes cool. I cool, I think ping. And so every time I do what I wish, I was just smoking a cigarette but anyway okay but the right exactly try not makes my wife happier so okay um but uh you know it's like I travel the country a lot on the stand up comic come on the road all the time and it's like, look, there's no question way less people smoke now then used to is like, okay, that worked. That turns out economic concentrations do work. Do you tech something you get less a bit than you otherwise with that is so great that we tax income get less of that than you know there is? But um but so but I call all throughout this country and like people on smoke as much as they used to but everywhere you go it's just harbors mcDonald's burger you know it's like it's not this .

it's not like health is .

really the concern here is with obese, you have a problem with them smoking cigarettes. So what explains that? And I think you .

just explains the ways like the air fifteen because it's a visible sign of your autonomy and they hate that it's a control. And um no, I I couldn't agree more to tim walls just just to descend into the political for a second. What do you make of that pic? How's that going?

No, I I was somewhat surprised I but I didn't think I wouldn't bet money superior was going .

yeah I I thought um .

until I mean they kind of sent the over the last couple weeks that he was out but I was assuming mark Kelly was gonna be the guy because he's a from what I understood you that they were friendly with Harris. He's got kind of this thing or like um his wife was shot in his an astronaut and there is just something about that that's like you kind of I can't help but like IT is an architect of like because of guy who is appealing and also because a is an aizen a yeah um so I just thought he was the obvious choice um this a hero thing I think evidently came down to him just being like too ambitious and kind of like Alice can really have someone around her. You know what I mean like just can't because she's so one impressive .

he wasn't at .

data and know, yeah well that's right. And then I guess this guy fit that that mode I do um my initial impression is not somebody I knew much about until this last week um but my initial impression is that uh he's also very unsuppressed ve um and that he is not particularly bright and he he does IT as I mentioned he does that seem to understand that you're got to try to talk about stuff that people actually care about and he understands that we live in a populist moment.

So he's trying to be kind of a populist or a present himself that way. But again, I just think the thing is I think it's totally fake. And after a turf and the idea that we're supposed uh um you know pretend that he has you know like it's remember when they they were like beta or as the IT factor. So what what you .

live .

IT where you look at that guy you man just drive with, it's like they're doing that right now like I just and this is just totally anew to and I don't know what that means, but I have persons. I ve gotten like thirty text messages about donating to democrats in the last two weeks, and i've never donated to. No, I donated to towsie abbot when he was running in in two thousand and fifty.

And that was because I was like the thing where you needed individual donations to make the debate stage and I just wanted her on the debate stage for the so but I and so I mean, there they're doing all types of uh manuvers to give the impression that there's you know enthusiasm and support for these guys sing, including things like having I am at a touch and but having like all these like rappers or whatever at her event. So you get a bunch of people who are like going to see you know the rapper and then you go look at all people come in and they have all of their like next, uh, that they use. I just I I think it's it's fake the .

walls guy, I mean, I want to be too unfair because I don't know him and I don't have any hard evidence.

Is a wird w that weird? he? Is there something not write about that guy's personal life? Um so I hope i'm wrong because I I don't want people like that with power but most people I know with power and wash have personal lives would not understand scrushy at all uh so but I I think that but I can keep past the core fact about walls which is he presided over, allowed in the biggest in a state to get burned .

down and seem to not only allow IT but kind of like to support that. You see.

the video was wife saying I kept the windows open so I could smell the burning .

rubber from the riots .

the wife whose hand tie shock.

oh my god, by the way, I mean, I know, I mean, he has each .

other with masks on. I mean, what is just so I guess, look, I I think i'm pretty libertarian an on the part I am I am, I in T V my whole life I know a lot of people with where the personal lives just 也是 wever if everybody in power has some sort of weird celebrate you know mitch mcconnell in is why in come on Harrison or husband's tim walls guy like there's just no chance these .

are Normal marriages at all that's not good yeah and people were and were jumping jv。 A for I think he was with you um I think he was an old ah lab or he was just talking about like all these childless people making decisions for the country and and look like i'm not i'm not again, i'm with you on that. I'm not like judging people.

I don't think there are some people who shouldn't have kids. You know, it's the best thing i've ever done. But I I certainly think there are people who wouldn't make very good parents. There are people who are very bad parents who .

ably would have been, I not anda ory childbearing.

but but like, come out there is something to be said for, like, I kind of would like a lot of our leaders to like, yeah, just be in a marriage where they love their wife and they have some kids. I think that gives you some stakes that you really can get any other way. Um and yeah there's just there is no question IT is very, very bizarre who seem to this proportionately rise .

to the office the I mean, look at this walls guy and mike again. I don't know. I don't have a police report that i'm not sharing or something, but that guy not babysitting my kids. Like, no, wait.

no which so strange about them going with the line of jd vonce being weird. Like I understand there is like a little bit of a pickle where they're like, okay, they have to find red or you know the trump just got shot so they have to kind of pull back unlike the nac stuff because it's not really working.

And also, it's really hard to say you're not kind it's really hard to be like, oh, the right wingers are exciting violence when they say fake news yes but like we're not in citing s when we say the democracy is on the line unless this guy is taken out, you know um but it's like weird you're using the word weird. You're the party of freak, I know. Like, what are you talking about? How are you? How is weird gonna be a pajaro for you when you're literally sitting here going you see that that dude with a beer address that's a beautiful woman and then you can call .

someone else where is just so every accusation is an admission. But I also think it's just I don't want to go on too much, but I don't I don't want to be mean, but it's it's interesting. I ve always said this was so strange, especially the democratic party.

You know, they are always telling you that know gay is great, is Better to be gay. We love gaze celebrating stone work. Gay fine um but then there are so many people in democratic party who are closeted, including in you know positions of real power.

I know them. I don't believe in adding people and i'm not going to, but I know that for a fact and it's like on what crowds are you hiding IT? Actually that's that's too much.

I can I also have absolutely nothing against uh, gay people. I do have an issue with people but living a lie because .

there's something .

about it's also not just lying, but living a lie is like a it's a profound thing where you get used to every inch of your existence being a lot who the very nature of who you are is a lie. And that just obviously leads to like people who have the ability to totally lie about who .

are there. So much of that I can over. I'm not saying that as like a blue nose or and even as a as a judgment of on the morality of IT.

I but I mean, I just find IT so striking, like how many people like that are there in washington? It's wildly disproportionate, wildly even compared to like CEO, cisco or some liberty place like that of the west village. There are free cure, personal lives in dc. I just find that really, really telling. I don't know what that means exactly, but he has to be lying.

Yeah yeah, that's right. And I don't exactly know either. I mean, I do things that like look, as we've kind of learned like a bit from the Jeffery estein, yeah a thing.

And you know I guess we know so we find out that there's this um this child pedophile blackmail ring that was pretty clearly involved the foreign country um and it's going around compromising uh, political leaders and an influential people and I guess we're supposed to pretend like that must have been the only one and it's over now. I mean, we never got to the bottom of IT ensure all of the Cameron's male functioned in the guy. You .

committed suicide and we never get the client covered up what he did. Yes, that's right. And i've said that a bunch times every time he tells someone I know that you know that's outrageous complaints I hope assume me over that .

because it's true .

to hundred percent bar lied about IT right?

And so OK why? What was that right? Well, that's the big question. And then like what is what is still going? I mean, obviously there were people above Geoffrey eb stein in involved in IT.

And obviously there, if you were doing something like that, you wouldn't Normally have one. You know what I mean? exactly. And so you do IT doesn't least make you wonder, like, oh, is that is that possible that people who, obviously, people who can be blackmail are very easy to control.

And so, oh, why would I be that there there are so many people in in powerful positions who have these secret, weird personal lives. And I think lauber part of that explanation is because like, well, okay, then they're very easy to blackmail. You can control them.

Do you ever think about your own life in these terms like you you're one of the people who will just say what you think is true, period. And you're always punching up, not down always yeah and um I don't know there's an on trivial risk that do you ever consider that is the fathers small children?

Yeah yeah no i've definitely thought about IT before. Um and I guess like I don't know, I guess because of the world that armed in which is like totally removed from the world of power, you know like that i've never been in dc and i've never been in you know and and i'm like i'm in comedy clubs and then just do in podcast on the internet.

So I guess I feel a little bit removed from the threat as like my profiles gotten bigger at something I I think about more um I just I don't know. I kind of I can't stop. I am just I I don't know. Listen, man, if you ever really came that, like if my kids were ever threatened, you get, by the way, anybody, C, I, A, if you're listening, or whatever I would, I protect them first, informal. I told whatever I had to do.

I would do that.

Shut up. Yeah, yeah. If I ever felt like that was really the threat, or my wife, you know, for that matter um but I do just think that it's something that's kind of hard to describe what I do. This is my calling in life. It's just what i'm supposed to do. And my greatest heroes, all of them at first and foremost, as I was talking about before, is ron paul um and he always just told the truth even when I was like something that would get him booted out of an arena or something that would be like very controversial and that would make him look bad that was just this thing and those of the people I admire you know um and I feel like you do that something I .

admire about you I feel like you so IT doesn't matter but you've ttl wonder like the obscene I did not take the estein murder, which IT was a murder, not a suicide, seriously at all um and then you know I spent a lot of time learning about IT and talk and he was brother mark about, and I think becoming something of an expert and he was murdered red and so but then you have to think, well, he was murdered not in his bedroom.

Or on west fifty seven story, he was killed in the special housing unit of federal lock up in manhattan. Like the most like the inner system of the volt. So okay, then the next, I guess, conclusion would have to be anyone with the power to do that can pretty much do anything in this temporal world, right? So that's a pretty formidable whoever did that and we can know I have series on IT, but can prove IT, but somebody did IT and those are the people that like maybe you .

shouldn't criticize, right? Yeah mean, there's certainly there's a point to that. Um there's also you know I also know I like having little kids, like I also I have a son and I do feel an enormous pressure um to um to be an example for him and to be a man IT is a pressure I never felt until I had a son um maybe that's the sexus envy I mean I just didn't feel the same pressure with my the daughter um as if my wife is also like she's so great that I always just come out when our first was a daughter and I always felt when I had her I was like oh like I was like OK my job is pretty easy. It's really because I know first I know she's a great uh like role model to hurt. She's like it's just an unbelievable example of of being a great woman so she's gotten basically what I have to do is like, you know, protector and provide for her and lover and her has really actually comes very natural.

You teaching your daughter how to become a woman, right? exactly.

And then when we had a son, like I hurt me, like, oh, I have to teach him how to be a man, so I Better figure out how to be a man real que and I can t .

but I think one of the foundational .

things about being a man is telling the truth um and even when there are some risk involved in that. So I do also feel like kind of a pressure that it's like, well, no then those are the people are exactly who I should be criticized um now as far as you know, oh, I would just say my only push back on on what you said is that it's not what yes, they can touch someone in you know a secure present so that certainly something they demonstrate they have the ability to also I don't know that I was ever supposed to get to that point, and I don't know that we're supposed to know about and we're supposed to be having this conversation right now. So clearly.

I didn't go exactly according to point.

right? So my point so that the kind of silver lining and all .

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It's only the truth that they sensor facts that get in the way of the lives are trying to tell you but that affect this, of course, is interfering in the twenty twenty four presidential actions that whether censoring more than ever now because the stakes are even hire you, probably not shocked by, but the specific examples of IT to throw you back a little bit, we've seen screen shots in video showing how a google search learn more about the attempt to sassin ation on Donald trump. Instead push users to information on Harry tremor, bob marley y or the pope, anything other than the relevant truth, which is that they just shot trump in the face. They don't want you to know that because I might help trump.

We see examples where facebook Marks true photos of a bloody and defied trump as misleading. Somehow those pictures were a lie, and then eliminate their visibility. Its AI assistant, explicit, deny the shooting ever took place.

This is insanity, but it's at the core of big text editorial policy, which is denying the truth to you in order control the outcome of this presidential election and democracy, we see examples for a generic search for information. A Donald trump was automatically rephrased to show positive stories about, commonly, Harris instead. Is there any clear example of election interference? So what do you do about IT? Well, parler has been down the road.

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So if you trying to figure out what the U S. Will look like um you know next year twenty twenty six and into the future, worst case is kind of what's happening in in the U K. Right now.

That seems like, yeah yeah that's that's that's pretty bad when people getting .

a rest of our facebook posts.

yeah. And this is why, like, um you know, people are especially particularly like the dissidents that that I was talking about. Like you really gotta smart in the way that you fight these things.

And so you know, like I I was talking about when there was there was one one of downed trumps like trials, there was a big like kind of group uh of thumb supporters who are outside protesting and I remember I tweed uh that day and I was like, hey, uh, dear chroma orter, if you happen to see a barrow chested man outside screaming, storm the courthouse, just go ahead and don't storm the court house you know, like, just like, let's be smart about the way yeah try to go about this. You do this is an asiedu conflict. You do not want a, you know, a conflict.

You do not want, you don't want a conflict in the sense of, like, let's storm the capital. How is that gonna out for you? Okay, no, this is just going to be the excuse. Now, of course, which of obviously the thing was an inside job to a large degree to .

established anybody whose screamed, lets form the capital I can think of two people who did who was not arrested I didn't spend time in jail.

was defended by democrats in the congress .

yes um but he wasn't alone as another prominent person did that as well as I know you know didn't get arrested, didn't go to jail. I mean what can we conclude from that?

Yes and all of the end and just you know the the the stuff where you you interviewed the head of yeah right.

And so I mean .

all just all of the things together, you can kind of obviously see what IT was um but that so you don't want you don't want to ride, you don't want to do things like that because then that would be an excuse for our government to do exactly what the the government in the u is doing right now right was crack down on facebook posts, whatever you know and so you don't want to fight IT that way but you know the I do believe like this, this country can still be saved or IT could be a lot less worse than the possibilities are.

Are the the countries been in very bad points before? Not exactly the same is where we are right now. What what's scary about the current position is that it's it's all of these factors, plus the like financial realities, are they kind of create this weird superstorm of things where it's a cultural phenomenon of political phenomenon. Then it's also just like a debt and and h derivatives and bonds and like things that are like all completely unsustainable. But I do think that like like I was saying, like there's we have a big opportunity if we could really just focus and kind of get people who we have these giant platforms like this show is really increase.

I don't think you can overstate how amazing IT is that like the dynamics have shifted technologically and culturally to the point where, say, someone like, okay, so billie rightly, obviously of A A very different person in the year and was never was never a critic of the regime in the meaningful way that you are at at fox news. But he was the number one cable news show at the A P. M hour at fox news.

And they fired him and he largely went away. I know he's still got his show. He's still got a little bit of an audience, but he's not really involved in the national conversation anymore. Like billow Riley was like moving the national conversation at one like his opinion gonna was gonna significant influence over a large and they were able to like, get rid of him. Um you on the other hand were the number one show fuck and cable news that eight P M hour they we're going to do the same thing to you and you're like many times bigger and you are that's that's a crazy thing. That signal something is totally different about the dyna.

primarily technology chain. I think .

it's that's certainly a big part of IT. Um that now there was it's also probably has something to do with you having a Younger audience than him because Billy Riley's audience was much older and it's much tougher to get that audience to go over to the internet that they just .

don't understand on the different moment. And yes, yes, television just is obviously on his way out any so that my timing was that I was in charge of IT.

but I was turned out to be good. no. I mean, obviously, look, a lot of IT .

was things that you were in.

But but the fact that we've got these kind of like alternative platforms now, which is really arent even alternative. I mean, this is kind of the main street. I mean, it's not brian faltering the mainstream.

You know what I mean? It's like so it's it's you and rogan and canals and show is like taking off and there's all these like big shows. And so okay, we've got a new tool in our in our disposal here.

And you know it's like part of the thing that so frustrating to me which watching a trump s campaign so far, it's like I don't know who who he has running this thing but this is not IT does not have the brilliance that Steve ban and had in two thousand sixteen where they really figured out like this is the lane you run in and you're in there so many things about um and so anyway, I guess what i'm saying is that like these audiences, men need to pressure Donald trump right now to be Better and to run a smart campaign. So if you're well OK, so first of all, it's you understand that the whole appeal of Donald trump was that he was a giant middle finger to the establishment whose failed on everything. There was a reason why people wanted a big metal finger to them.

They failed everything. They just just look at in the twenty first century alone, what has the ruling elite handed the american people? And like they failed, uh, on nine eleven, they then used nine eleven to fight a bunch of war they already wanted to fight that were catastrophe. hic. Yes, just just absolutely designed .

to express their own population.

Yes, they stripped us of all types of basic liberties .

that we took. That's right.

Then they handed us the greatest financial recession in uh in one hundred years. They gave us um the the obama recovery which was like the most you know crony recovery built off zero percent interest rates, record high government spending. So the recovery essentially was wall street and the suburbs of washing and dc. Yes, you know this only then there's the rise of wash, all this insane stuff that they're pushing on people um now theyve given us this disastrous warn ukraine um all this stuff right?

They literally created .

coffee yeah yeah yes. They men strippers .

of our civil liberties in the name of fighting something that they created in .

a lab with our supposed the enemy. And they they creating A D mean intentional because I don't actually think that's the case.

but they allowed .

the best for this to happen um and then use that to have the biggest crackdown on the liberties of the american people in our nation's history. Um they and and all on the basis of super science IT was all completely wrong. Then this uh this vaccine they tried to force into as many people's arms they could that was totally sold off lies and was actually somewhat dangerous and totally unnecessary for the vast majority of people.

Um okay, so they've given all of us. So like the lane here is that you, Donald trump, represent the repudiation of all of that. And that's how you want in two thousand and sixteen, obviously, precoe IT. But that you one, in two thousand sixteen, you were a repudiation of the bushes and the clans, not just the clinton, not just the the democrat establishment, but also the last republican president you got on stage and said, he light us into war. I mean, like this is what gave you that energy this year in the campaign.

I mean, look, however you feel about israel, the fact that Donald trump s has made the whole campaign, you know, his convention is the pro israel convention and then it's like, oh, crimea haris ura she's a palestinian ck tumors of palestinian they're all a bunch of left is like, well, now what you're supporting the status quote, which is that amErica supports israel. That's what every powerful person in dc beliefs, all of them, including kala Harris, by the way, who is a part of an administration that is completely supporting israel's warn guys, are right now. Like, what do you? What is this weird invention? And then he even frames IT as they're all these left wing socialists know there are all the like.

So he's almost like putting himself in the position as the defenders of the establishment against the radical who would overthrow the establishment. And what have a revolution of the workers or something like that is none of this. First of it's not true.

That's not at all what's going on. There are the defenders of the establishment. They use some left rta c to pit people against each other and create a culture award to distract from their terrible policies. But they're not marxists. And this this is so ridiculous, you know I mean, so but like first of all, look, Donald trump.

i'm not saying it's painful to hear this because it's so true.

Well, you look, i'm not saying you have to come at. You don't have to be made OK. And you know.

you know we shouldn't be made.

by the way, because if you were saying what I think probably wouldn't get you elected, you know what I mean you can come out there and say we love israel. We will always defend israel, a great country um but we're we're not funding aggressive wars around what .

have to do with anything vant you to the tire establish .

can't take the establishment position.

So that's where you're speaking the deepest level of truth in my opinion. You are not the income. The incomes have rect the country yeah there I mean, auth Cliff is not too strong a metaphor for what they're doing and you're opposing that.

So who is the you're opposed to that you are not on the side of the establishment? I don't understand why. That's just not hard. I put that on the refrigerator every day.

Well, I also will say one of the things that was kind of magical about Donald drums twenty sixteen campaign, which really, I mean, just IT can be overstated. How amazing what he did was however you feel about him. yes.

And the guy on a shoestring budget and went out there and just through use of social media and his kind of bombastic personality was able to completely dominate the new. Cycle and took out the bushes and the clinton, the two most powerful political families in in modern american history. He took both of them out in this crazy upset.

The part of the way that he did that was that there were these issues that were, like, overwhelmingly popular that no one else wanted to touch if there was like a poker game, and there was just like pocket aces that like something like, I don't want those cards and then Donald chAmbers, like, all play those cards, those very good cards. I ay build a wall and stop the flood of illegal immigration. Like, how about we can have immigration, but like, we get to decide who comes in in doing this.

Wildly popular with people. Open bords aren't popular. They I mean, it's hard to even find polling on them because it's so unpopular that people don't even ask the question you know like they asked like do you want higher levels of immigration or lower level? But the only polls i've see it's like single digits. You know maybe seven percent of people support open borders and maybe less than that. But so he is just playing me but hey, we shouldn't fight stupid wars that turns out that's a wildly popular position. However, I will say with this um you know the majority of americans don't want to support uh, israel's war in gaza but he won't play that card whatever reason maybe it's because he believes IT maybe it's because uh jack krishna convinced him of this or maybe it's I don't know but he's not onna play that card and just say, hey, we're broke here forward thirty five trillion dollars in debt we can afford to uh prop other listen, when i'm like a strict non intervention I think i'm like john quinzy atoms. I don't think amErica should fight anything.

If we're attacked, we destroy those people but that's santis no um but when H A couple months ago, one around in response to israel killing in iranian IT when they launched those missiles at at israel and a team of nations LED by the united states all helped defend israel IT was a Jordan and saudi arabia ia war involved to by the way, which goes to show you the real dynamics of of that region but no one's really complaining about that like okay, fine, i'm an non intervention is but like if missiles are coming to this, we will go ahead, shoot him down, fine. That does not mean we have to help them, doesn't think we have to fund them. Fighting there were and then also just the fact that like there's a foreign country, we're not allowed to criticize and people's careers get ruined over that.

This is, i'm sorry. Listen, if you want to be a amErica first bend, what is amErica first mean, right? IT means we shouldn't force the warn iraq or whatever something okay, who really wanted us to fight the warn iraq? You know, I am just saying it's like, no, like like all these guys and it's like they come back in now with the net con movement is ugly.

Gro had a great article about this earlier this summer. He co authority in the american conservative. But it's like all this new nt con movement that has all this kind of like pro is real stuff coming into IT.

The title of the piece is a neo conservatism by another name. I was a great piece. Everybody should go read that um but it's like, well, who do you think the neocons were who wanted us to fight the warn iraq?

I like I said last time on here go read a clean break a new strategy for securing the realm by Richard perle and David warm zr IT was about overthrowing the dam. Who saying are israel benefit? Like i'm not against israel.

I'm jewish. I like israel to cool country. And the people they are are great. I'm just saying that if you're amErica first, then the guy, Benjamin net, yahoo, the guy who testifies before congress that we should go over, throws down, who saying, and launch regime change war against a ran and launch war in libya. That's not your ally. The whole american first thing is that we don't think we should go fight all of these .

stupid wars and must help us.

You know, that is there's some coherent justification for them at least. But so okay, so Donald trump, he needs to just play. There's there's a few things that he could laser focus on right now.

And he he should Donald trump should be asking himself the question that Hillary clinton asked herself in two thousand and sixteen, the most of noxious question ever. But why are you not up by fifty points right now? Donald john, why is that all? Listen, no, just run on this no more stupid wars, period.

We're not fighting any wars of choice. We are only fighting wars of necessity, which we do not have any right now. Around puny little around is a threat to the united states of america.

Give me a locking road. Come on. This is too ridiculous. If anyone should, he should have the courage.

They don't push back from anyone. Well, that's one question of going to work. So if you have a highly motivated um force pushing for something and there's no organized resistance to IT, that force will prevail.

And what I see is a bipartisan push, republican and democrat push toward world run. No, even attempt to explain why this is in my interest, why I should send my foredone ft his children to go die in iran. Now, not even a conversation about that. So I I feel like unless I missing something, we're going to get that war.

Well, you know the the problem at least has been a while since I read this but scot horton, who's totally brilliant, you have him on man he a um he uh was like, uh Justin romano's disciples yeah uh just like his his anti war that calm and he's just like I Q off the charts he wrote the book enough already um which about the book about the terror, the warm terror um from Jimmy Carter all the way through Donald trump and he's currently writing a book on the war in ukraine which I got an advances copy of his phenomenal I can't wait to send this year when IT comes so good called provoked and it's just the whole story of how at every turn the west provoked the world of you can so good I really can't wait for that to come out and people to read IT.

But you know, what stopped the war in around the first time was really the military when dick chaney wanted IT and George W. I think George w. Bush eventually like was like, i've been listening to this guy too much. This was like by two thousand seventy, have finally figured out, let me stop listening to A C jane could not yeah but but IT was really the IT was just like logistics, like they were just like guys, we do not have escalation dominance against ran. We like they, yes, we we're gonna lose the war.

But like they can target so many american bases over there, it's just going to be a bath like this isn't you know there's one Greenberry he told me off camera, but he told me he goes, this isn't like ten times harder than fighting a warn, iraq fighting a warn or around as a thousand times harder. This is a whole different ball me. So perhaps that reality will will stop IT from happening.

But even just like even just the reti c about like being tough on them, it's like, why? Why are we even talking like this? Why are we constantly trying to escalate? Here is so simple, and it's popular with the american people. No more stupid wars. Look, even even the the one of the amazing .

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they always tell the most important election of your lifetime. But of course, this one actually is that's demonstrable. And it's also because IT is so important being censored at every lever by the tech companies. So we are thinking about this a couple of months ago, we thought one to get on the road, live in front of actual people, live audiences, coasts to coasts, a nationwide tour where we can be sensor that d be good IT would also be fun. So we're doing IT.

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Um but like but one of things that's really interesting that's changed very dramatically in a short period of time on the kind of the rate in amErica is that at least what I get now the talking point for Donald trump, like from Donald trump s supporters is that um there were no new wars.

He didn't start any new wars which is I do love that that the talking point like it's never like he killed all the terrorists or he he was so tough where the democrats are winter supporters are breaking that he didn't get us into a new world now okay, I you know the reality is that like came pretty close actually in around and Venus wala, he really flooded with new wars. I was there and he didn't end the war that he said he was going to end. And so there's some criticism, but it's kind like but this is what your own supporters like about you. So just run on that. And then the other thing .

that and he feels IT too, he feels that, I mean, one thing I can say about trump having talked about this a lot is that that is sincere. He is afraid of nuclear war and I think .

his instincts are are correct on warn general.

I think that's exactly right. What's in IT for us? Like what's the point? And um he's also the only leader i've ever talk to in my life at that level who routinely says bottle of all .

people get killed yeah you .

know i'm not saying he's a super fateful question, whatever I don't know where that where that instinct comes from, but it's totally realized to say that many times yeah people die and they have got windows and kids and stuff it's a big deal to kill .

people know you're right. He's one of the only people like I at that level. I mean, I D like some anti war left us, I think but .

i'm not I have no power yeah but .

like that level of political powers that it's like you've never hear that like that's never even a part of the calculation IT seems. And even when trump was being manipulated by very not good people that he had around him, like when the strike syria IT does seem like most of the reporting was that that's how they got them was with being like, look at these dead kids from these chemical attack yeah, yeah. Just, you know and so kind of like played on that feeling that he has to be like, you know, you ve got to do .

something so one of the reasons nobody pushes back against the the big picture claims that you know, for example, iran is a great demir that putin is gonna try overrun shackle sofa s freak saying, um is that anyone who talks like that puts himself at risk and I would just you know scriver yeah saw this week at the F B I raided as how you know this is a former arms inspector U. S. Government employee um who's been opposing american foreign icy non violent for twenty years and they keep thrown him .

in jail for IT yeah no one cares. Well there is um there yeah there there's risks that are attached to opposing in the warm machine because that that kind of the whole game um and so look, I I I I also do recognize that like i'm just you know talking shed on on into a microphone in that Donald trump, the the pressures and the forces that he has to deal with here are certainly things that I don't completely understand but from what I do understand of this is that I know it's the correct position and that would be enormously popular with his base.

And then there's other things too, that he should be laser focused on an obviously immigration. I mean, this is it's unbelievable, unbelievable that what he decided was his signature issue, that he ran his campaign centered around has been basically has won the day and that that he he was labeled the nai for this and now you got the the mayors in blue sanctuary cities all talking about how the influx of migrants is destroying their cities and that so he's got a forever he's obviously got pocket tases right there that you play this card um and and the other thing is the censorship, which really should be more of a focus of his campaign. And i'm stunned that it's not like, I mean, he's back on twitter today.

By the way, i've mentioned that t in first. I just saw that on my way over here in the taxi. I like he's back on twitter so yeah has to be back on twitter to win this thing um but like he got kicked off of twitter and and not just him. He shouldn't make IT just about him um he should that should almost be like an after thought you know for his campaign but like all of his supporters, you know like it's in his self interest to defend these guys with everybody through twenty twenty I mean, if you were like critical of the lockdowns you this everybody was silence left and right and that is he should make this campaign like the a referendum on free speech and that the only way free speech is gonna happen is when i'm in there and he should thread aten the shit out of all of these companies you should you know a facebook back like in .

a crucial level we Better you yes yes that's .

right and and not cause crucial didn't even mean IT like with force he meant like their economic model. No I want force.

I mean with force we should listen IT is that is the only thing these companies are going but if they think that Donald trump, Donald truck in a believable way, like he say, hey, google, i'm i'm gonna win this election, which look, as of right now, there's at least a very good chance he's going to win this election and he goes my soul mission in life every morning when I wake up till I go to sleep that night is gonna to take you guys down in unless you stop censoring right now. Like I know I don't mean when I get in. I mean, from now until the election, if because you see all this stuff, elon musk was posting a bit easy.

We're like if you search for the the shooter IT doesn't come up. I like latest and ford theatre. I said that there was a region and argo ragon getting shot. And then like, you know, if you search trumpet goes to these kala ads and stuff, I mean, he should be he should be scaring that, which, by the way, they all respond to that.

Well, it's why .

the censorship regime started .

to begin with.

Cos, I congress push so weak.

So turns out though, he has go of IT. So someone just texted me and I don't know this is actually true, but they he had six shots. I mean, what should make sense?

I think .

that that's the recommended amount. yeah. How do you get if you been vaccinated six times against something, how do you .

get IT in eight? I it's really, really just always need more h always need more vaccines.

I mean it's just kind of hear your point living side the think the vaccines poison. I've thought that for a long time um some people are finally ticket other people in putting a couple I know have their life straightfor IT. But either way, whatever you think of how toxic IT is, you clean doesn't work. And so why is the schedule and why isn't anyone say that? I just think reliving in this moment where .

the most obvious things go totally ignored and and also just the fact that there is essentially statistically zero risk for the vast majority of people from covet. I mean, at this point, I mean, this was true in the in the original strains.

That is clearly getting the wax and getting the boosters makes me more likely to covered. I mean that the number seem to show that I never got vacation, not to brag a took like look that people's faces because i'm obviously very proud val in my grade achieved, but I got covered once. I've i've been super healthy ever since then.

I never wash my hands, never wear a mask. I like the didius person i've ever met. I'm happy to breathe the breath of strangers on credit commercial flights like, and I never got coit again that he has had three times biden and keeps getting IT. Like, what is that?

What does nobody say anything about this with me never got the vx. I had covered twice and you know mildly sick and I was I would have rather not yeah I do you know but like whatever, it's fine and then I know so many people who who got IT and some of whom had the same experiences may got covered a few times and just were mildly sick.

A lot of them got IT several more times then I did um and then I do know a few people who developed um heart conditions who develop different problems. And I get is one of those things where you know you can never like with one hundred percent certainty, trace IT to the vaccine. But that seems like whelming ly likely thing.

What we can say is .

that IT doesn't work for that for sure. And what we can say with one hundred percent certainty is that the thing was sold on lies. And not just like all they got IT wrong, like they were totally, there was never any evidence to suggest that you could not get copy or transmit coit.

You know even in the original uh what was that the fisa study where I think like IT was from remembering ing this correctly has been a while since I read IT but I think IT was like in the uh unvaccinated roup two people died of covet and in the vacation ated group, one person died of covered. And then they extrapolate from that is one hundred percent, you know, over ductor. But there was still a person who died of IT in there.

This idea that can't like IT this was never true. They lied through their teeth. And joe biden is the beginning of his administration, made his number one priority to buy any means necessary, get every single american to take this vaccine. And the Lucy IT, with our like the the skeleton of constitutional limited republic of like procedures that we still have. The supreme court struck down the worst of of his Mandates, like the ossia Mandate, which would have had every midsize and large business in amErica have to fire anyone who is on vaccine.

All people get fire made no.

i'm sure they have a um and that yeah the man, I mean, like I know we live in so much stuff, happened so quickly that I know going like four years ago or three years ago seems like ancient history but if nothing else I mean on that alone the democrats deserve to lose all power that they have that they went all in on the analytica republicans to so rogan.

I just want to say for the record, I I really love and I reveal as a as a pioneer in media really more than I mean, Roger ales level kind of changed everything. Yes, always want to say I really believe. Um but he seemed to uh endor Bobby Kennedy then he comes down as, no, I was just I just like Bobby Kennedy or I like Bobby knee two for the record um is a nice man but I was not endorsing and rogan said and I don't really like talking about politics so much. I'm summer zing but if you want to know like what I think, just listen to if I was kind of funny and cool l that he said that but give us your assessment of Bobby Kennedy like where what role does he play in this race.

if any by the way so when rogan tweet that and I mean, like it's just, you know like I couldn't even look on my phone for like hours after that because it's just like and he he texted me that was one of the funniest text i've ever gotten roguin tax in may and he goes, I didn't even realize that I start up a whole riot twitter, but I sent all the letters to your house that's which was I was like, that was really but I was like, i'll take him I love this I like to learn but also the moment really is it's it's because um joe is such a like I know pretty well we're like prety friends at this point and he is exactly what you say yeah like that everybody if you want to show you already know who he is so it's like he wasn't he doesn't think like i'm going to be making an endorsement today on my show about which candidate I want to throw my people support behind little just someone else requested that he was just having a mom like he was just I do like this abby cannel guy you know he seems kind of like he's read books about stuff and he wants to discuss ideas and not just like personal ideas and I really like that yeah I mean. I kind of I I tend to agree with that too I also just by the way, I mean um I I was just so serious at trump supporters who were like uh giving rogan shit for that and then I just thought that was maybe the stupidly thing trumps done in the campaign so far was that he posted on truth social attacking joe rogan for IT and it's like man's any is anyone around him to just be like, no, you don't go to war with joe .

rogan which also be .

whether he's supporting not that union you know he's again like I said before, it's not left first right it's dissidents verse the regime and this is the guy who correct the corporate meet. He's the guy who cracked the states monopoly on information. So come on, what are you doing here and he said also is just so removed.

It's really just the flaw in trump is that he said, uh, it'll be interesting to see how much joe rogan gets booed the next U. F. C event anyway.

Do you really think joe rogan is gonna get bored at you? Okay, all right. I know the Donald trump. I know how your your mind works and it's it's there's great things about IT and then there's things that holds you back.

But I know that you think that since they love you at the uf c event, there are your people and they will hate anybody who is not supporting you. But actually they're really love geo rock and they're not going to be able hamon and there is IT was just so stupid to fight this fight with anyway um you know to the Bobby Kennedy stuff. I was when he first started running and I had him on my show and I was just like, I just loved the guy, and I thought, you know, his his positions on ukraine and on the vaccine, I thought were heroic.

And IT was amazing. What was so amazing about his campaign was that he was running as a democrat. And he's Bobby Kennedy. Yeah but his name is bobbi Kennedy and and he's not like some you know peifer al Kennedy who's like like he's Bobby Kennedy's son.

He's jack Kennedy is natheless and here he is giving democrats this is IT reminded me a lot of the wrong paul presidential campaigns where because wrong paul was such a conservative person, and because right after his name, there was all taxes, you know, and he could be against the wars. IT was like he gave permission exact for you're allowed to be against the war. You could oppose the wars, and you don't have to give up your whole identity.

You don't have to be Michael more could .

be a real american patriot and oppose these wars. And in a similar fashion, I felt like bobbie kenney was giving democrats permission to abandon this, which would look, I think if you think about IT, I said just a second ago that the vaccine was joe biden s first were all in on the vaccine, and then his second big thing was all in on the warm ukraine. This is the bided administration.

So is this total repudiation of geo. biden. But being like the true democrat, what we're really supposed to be you know yes, and there something amazing about his campaign um you know I understand why he made the move to go independent because there there's not a real uh, democratic process and no democratic party nor is there .

much of a constituents at this point for that message. Yes.

that's probably right. Um I I do think that and and you know me and him he came back on my pockets to his credit and we argued uh, about this um I do think it's it's strained our relationship a little bit but I like I could get past um being not being good um israel from from my perspective of course um and I could I could get passed I I could probably tolerate all the way up to uh like the vae roa swales position on israel which essentially was he was like taking the non interventionism sit but doing IT in a way where it's like I am not picking a fight with a pack in that would be like he was like I think he answered the debate was something he said he goes i'll tell net yahoo that i'm going to kill the terrorists on our southern border and you go kill the terrorists on your southern borders.

That's kind like i'm not fun in your world but like totally support you do and what you're doing it's not how I feel about the situation at all. X, I think it's really horrible what israel doing and is an excuse. Well, but I mean, I just going around with rabbi smooth as your campaign advisor.

I just like to me once I saw that, I was like, i'm just I can't I just count if it's too much for me so and I do think again, kindly like i'm saying with another trump, I mean, he's just pocket is you don't want to play these pocket aces okay? I mean, a democrats like seventy percent democrats oppose this warn, wanted ceasefire. I think fifty percent of them consider IT a genocide on on the republican side because there's a lot of amErica first people who who could be persuaded that we shouldn't be involved in these conflicts.

I think Bobby Kennedy had a real chance to make, like if he was non interventionist on on this war, I think he would have made some huge waves. And I think that really hurt him. He also, he lost a bunch of people on his campaign staff. He was the anti war guy, had a whole bunch of an anti war people who were like, oh, no, i'm not going to be a part of this now.

So where does that leave now?

I am as a political matter.

IT feels like, feels like there is a significant chunk of people. I don't know how many in the millions those support. Abby Kennedy clearly repudiate the priorities of the biden haris administration. Don't vote for trump. I mean, my sense is he's taking potential trump photo .

yeah that that might be the case. You know i'm not sure exactly and I don't know. I mean if if Donald trump like, you know, if he were to drop out of the race and endorsed al trump, um I think there's a very good chance he could end up in his cabinet get some type of position activate if true to when for sure. Um I I don't know if that's gonna happen if he stays in the race the whole time because I think I will be seen as like, well, no I mean you can't you know dimension .

returns yeah yeah .

I mean you just can't do that and then expect the guide to give you a position.

Do you think if bobbi Kennedy endorse trump, which is possible, I would say IT is possible. Um do you think that would push trump over the line? Um with that with that meaningful help, most endorsements don't. Would that make a difference?

IT may I don't know. I you know it's hard to tell what endorsement I do. Endorsements actually do anything. It's not um you know it's just in general in life.

It's not like you know you see like obama and Donald trump who are two of the most successful political figures in the last to the most successful political figures in the last you know fifteen years or so. And it's not as if their endorsement seem to Carry that much well. It's like it's not transferable like that in the same sense that like, you know, like, I love your show.

I you were the only guy on cable news who I always watched and I love watching your show on your new network um if you were like, hey, you've got ta check out this guy, someone else, you you got to check out their show. That would certainly get me to check that out. But it's not as if that's a guarantee that I i'll worked IT out. And if I like IT and watching, you can just transfer the thing that people like about you other people.

I've never said a bad word about rogan. I genuinely like a missing person. Um I think a show like made such a massive difference in the media landscape in an american history it's like I love rogan i'm not IT doesn't .

work that and I do wonder I really don't know the answer but like is IT bob Kennedy, you know if you were to drop out an indoors trump at this point, don't people kind of already know they had the option to support Donald drone and if they're still not supporting donis.

Probably a meaningful reason why um and one of the things that kind of uh is I think probably the reason why that none of them will agree to have Bobby in any of these debates uh is because if they were two, then the the topic of trumps handling of covert would have to come up and Donald trump is kind of lucky in in a situation like this. There's always this dynamic and some issues between democrats and republicans so like for example, um when uh, barack obama was president, all of the republicans at that point the criticism of him was that he was too soft on foreign policy. Uh he won't even.

Radicle islamic ji and know dum marco rubio points like this. And so then he totally gets off the hook for his very aggressive foreign policy and the war in libya and syria, and examine and all these horses that he started. But the way all on the side of alka and no one ever gave any push back from like no one ever he never got held accountable or had to answer for any of that because the the republican talking point was he is weak on defense and work tough on defense and likewise with covered because the democrats whole marriage of the whole time was that he is not reacting enough. No one ever really gives trump a hard time. So I guess the santis try to do a little bit when you ran against them.

but I just fell flat IT. I mean, if you just pull not to disrupt the flow here, but if you pull the through a little bit on why were we .

alone without ka, oh yeah.

yeah, because they're not shades. That's why. Because back by iran, and i've gotta say i'm hardly an expert on islam a to put a muddy on a Christian.

However, spending a lot of time around the world, you know, the SHE, pretty swish, gated actually. And I do think that our portrait of what you're average, he is like, it's totally wrong, completely wrong. There are a lot of very Cosmopolite persons like very Cosmopolitan, very protesters and very smart, very interesting, not savages at all.

I know i'm endorsing ing the foreign icy ms of a run at all the system anything. And i'm not endorsing islam either branch, but the idea that the SHE ates are like animals that's that's bush. Well, also and I just because I mean.

there's lots of problems even in the I world. I an there there's but they're also not our enemy because like they haven't because they haven't attacked us and they haven't attacked europe.

I mean, there are even the hu I was taught as a child to hate the hoods .

frequently of I .

never heard the hood is tell about twenty minutes ago and they became our historic at enemy .

it's um you know I think essentially what happened, right because you think it's like really alka and essays are the two terrorist groups that have actually hit the united states of amErica and europe and you know what I mean like committed acts of terror inst both were armed and funded by the west um different points um and that's that's pretty appalling.

You think about that but really I mean what happened is and I don't know exactly how much of this was the propaganda or how much of IT was genuinely believed by by people who were pushing IT um but that certainly the stated propaganda which was stated when Benjamin that in yahoo testified in two thousand and two in front of congress as a regional expert, and explain how if you overthrows a dm who saying democracy will sweep the region, this will put pressure on around and then they will have less influence on the region. That and a lot of these new year conservatives seemed to actually believe that. Now I don't know if they did IT, seems to me like some of them actually did.

It's the domestic in the frequent world to think you would have believed there you had um in iraq where you have a shit majority that is held down by a SONY minority, that if you overthrow the government and installed the democracy, which means the sites right, like because there are sixty percent of the country so they win, that this will hurt around was insane. And anyway, what I ended up happening after the iraq war, after we topped the aromas e was that around got drastically more influence in the region. Now it's possible that people like dickinson and Benjamin in net yao kind of knew that was going to happen.

And then they're it'll just topple around next. So it'll all be fine. I don't know exactly, but there is no question.

And there was a peace I believe I was in the new yorker called the and neither two thousand six or two thousand seven or basically what was decided was that now that we, iraq, backfired so much and and a ran has so much more power in the region that now we got to go take the sites down a pig and this is really what was behind like, uh, the attempt to overthrow bIshara assad and by the way, this not overthrowing our democracy and not putting bounce ties on U. S. Soldiers head in afghanistan, or whatever the other lies that they made up about vladimir putin.

The real crime that vladimir putin committed was he denied the U. S. Regime change in syria.

And you could look at the wave LED amma. Putin was talked about before syria, verse after syria IT is so start a George W. A.

Bush said he looked into flat mir putin eyes and he was a good Christian. And Hillary clinton had her reset. But IT wasn't until he denied the american war machine a regime change that he became a off hitler. He is helbon on reconstituting the soviet union in all the other crap. That's really what at all.

I started and apparently he was closed to her so sadd father and um assad called him and so I need your help and he dispatch trips immediately which by the way, know whatever you think the geopolitical baLance circ ever side you on that is kind of the the key to long lasting alliances is defending your allies with troops when they ask you to right and the you know the by administration is not done that to like legit allies um whatever but also because and .

he was motivated to do that, I think, because he don't want to see ISIS take over damascus, which was a real threat at that point. And they were driving around in total to truck murdering vision yeah yeah and in the most barbaric .

bruffin Christians to notice that or something. And tosi Gabriel, anti american for caring what happens to the Christians of syria. Um I think we're fast approaching a period where the people who lie to us and always different, so should just be quiet like be quiet like why you know is there something demand that like i'm sorry, David, former whom ever like your opinion is just not even rate morning joe, like nobody. Why are we allowing yes.

like you've got everything wrong, you know truly. But I think that was I think I heard you use the the analogy metaphor uh but you're the it's like the old like once they see your face, they have to kill you or once you see their face, right like that right is mask. And there is this feeling.

And I do think this is also a part of what freaks them all out about Donald trump. Is that okay? So first of all, like we are saying before, he's leading a movement of really every time man in amErica pretty much loves Donald trump and maybe not every, but you know, the overwhelming majority of tough men .

in amErica life that's .

right including um and the well armed ones, including many people in law enforcement and the military yes. You know and so he's got that then he's running a campaign that is very specifically pointing a finger at dc and saying these guys screwed you over. And he's also like a wild man, like he can't control what he says.

It's the most charming and frustrating part of darnel trump. You know what I mean? Like even if he wanted to, he couldn't control himself.

You know what I mean? Like he's gonna say IT it's gonna come out of his mouth and then he's same things on the campaign trail in twenty sixteen like and you know he says that in this kind of sloppy trump y and way but when you would be like obama created zis, no, obama did that, which is like not exactly true but like there's a lot of truth to IT like it's it's like, well, no, he did, but he did knowingly fund and ARM them and that is trees literal treason. Like that is exactly what treason is. He wasn't .

doing IT on behalf states. Well.

right. And well, exactly. And so now if you imagine, okay, now this wasn't just obama who did this.

I mean, this was, uh, this was bryant on the Operation. timber. Second, all right, like this was the planet john kerry.

Es, even on tape talking about, they knew they saw ISIS was getting the the weapons and stuff they were like like, you know, will just keep promoting this myth of the moderate rebels, so ridiculous. And then that i'll put pressure on assad to step down. So this is how we're going to get our regime change war.

And then I just went invade ed, iraq. They weren't supposed to do that, and then obama had to go back into iraq to take them out. But the point is that this is actual treason, you know, like arming, giving material aid and comfort to the enemy like alka in iraq and in syria is getting weapons from america.

That is treason. And now you got this guy who is essentially calling you out for treason, who might be the president of the united states of america. Like the punishment for treason is the death penalty. And I I do think like I think Donald trump himself didn't even realize what enemies you are making when you say and how much power they have like you you know like who is the last president who like fired the head of the CIA had made a big thing about how he was going to smash into a million pieces what happening took a limo ride through dallas, right? So it's like dawn trump I think was totally naive about like you know he he knew there was a swamp that needed draining but I don't think .

he knew and I do think you .

um being in the world of business gave him a lot of correct instincts and but it's like now and there's just nothing like this. Government is in the business world. Government is the criminal organization world, which you may be. He probably had a little bit of experience in which a real state.

whatever you running casinos .

and still like that, i'm sure he's kind of that but not like this man. That's nothing compared. You're talking about the C I, A. That is a whole .

different is are not paving contracts, control of the world.

So there was just all of this, you know, got this tremendous reaction and he's still dealing with that.

I'm ga a bit confused that for two years we were told that the vanguard of the fight for democracy was unfolding in eastern new ukraine was really in mattered much more than anything in our stupid, meaningless lives here in the states. And that's, well, good people were the blue and yellow pal pen and put little flags in front of their houses and nap and all that. And then one day we did stop hearing anything about ukraine.

What was that? Well, I mean, the IT was all built of lies. Yeah, it's been a disaster like all of these wars, and it's not gone IT all the way IT was supposed to.

I mean, remember there was a period where. Uh jovi, and the very beginning of the war was just with sanctions we're going to defeat russia. We're going to destroy the rupee and you but make everyone in rush a poor and that'll be so great and we wouldn't even have to send in weapons. Then of course we had doing and of course just all the lies ukraine is when and go stuff here you know this crazy obvious lies. Um and so ultimately, you're at the point where yeah you don't really want to to talk about that because there's nothing you can point to end brag about but isn't IT crazy and I did a um a debate on on this topic on on breaking points um um that was a great show and you ve been on a with Christalan and sagar yeah I know I know very well yeah oh .

that he used to work .

right yes yeah he was I yes but so I was on I did a debate on nature when I was kind of like talking about how IT is crazy for all these people who have like the ukrainian and flags and we care so much about ukraine and all of this stuff. It's like, do you recognize that we we hold all the chips like the united states of amErica holds all of the chips.

We could get this world to stop in almost any way we wanted to if we want to just play our ultimate trump card, which is that will leave nato. I mean, there's no reason for us to be in nato. Anyway, I told amErica that totally makes no sense.

It's, I know you ve talked about a bunch like, it's like this was started after a world war two because europe had been totally destroyed. AmErica was like the only advanced the country that was like left standing and hadn't had their homeland, you know, react by the thing. And then there's the soviet union.

And so these guys can't defend themselves. We have to kind of work on this deal that we we're not going to let you invade western europe or will come to their defense. And now it's like, europe is rich america, thirty five trillion dollars in debt.

And oh yeah, the soviet union doesn't exist. What's the point of this thing being here? And voima putin would do almost anything .

to get that to happen.

to get amErica to leave nato. IT would be nothing but good for us. We just wouldn't be subsidizing other rich countries defense.

He could take IT as a huge Victory. Of course. You know what I mean, you could get almost anything you want.

And if you guys care about ukrainians and ukrainians dying so much, why not? Why not just make this deal? We could do that right now.

I mean, we not getting cry me back to ukraine. That's not onna happen, but who cares? Know what? I mean, you can get almost any, you can get the end to the war immediately.

If you were to do that, see that how many jobs now occupied by people with no skills whatsoever, totally pointless people, pure parasites on our economy and culture, would be lost. Yes, if you get ready in nato.

yeah, that's the problem. They get really the energy department.

the education department. I mean, they've served no purpose other than self perpetuation.

You've and y've made all of those areas much worse, of course. And they were right. It's like, unbelievable. I mean, like the state of education in america.

What did to get a lot Better since was Jimmy Carter partment of a and of course, like, I mean, it's you know because this model doesn't work that should have been the one lesson of the twenty years century that model doesn't work. Centralized control does not work. This is why all of those countries failed and continue to fail everywhere it's tried. And now we're doing that and we're fAiling .

because IT benefits the few. So let me circle back the beginning of the conversation here. At the end, you have been here in two and a half months.

Maybe a lot .

has changed. All of your kind of core suspicions have been confirmed, I think, by the asset inc. Attempt in the subsequent queue.

Where does that leave you? Like we just spend a couple hours talking about how bad things are, about all the signs that the element of signs that they're about to get much worse. Does that make you feel afraid, hopeful, excited combination?

Yeah probably a competition, I I would say you know which by the way, we didn't even really get into the cup, but IT is pretty crazy how much of a black cow we just watched. I i've just see people like a um like democrats on on social media stuff and um they're call like people like us out theyll be like, well, first you said the guy was too sen to run and now you're saying IT was a coup when they removed me like, yeah both are true. I don't know what to tell you. The guy is clearly signal and also he is told the president of the united states of amErica and there .

is a process here. And it's just the one thing I can get over so that people disagree with me. I assume people always can disagree me.

I'm often wrong. So it's like so OK to disagree with me. What I can never mutabilities except deal with is people's wilderness to just say anything because it's expedient.

The capacity for lying among certain people to blows my mind. You tell joe carboro, you gotta say this because there are some material advantage. E, he will say, no matter what that is. And all that way, it's like, how would you describe threatening a man until he agrees not to run for president again and then installing somebody without a vote?

Like that's a cool. And by the way, it's totally unclear and I would say movie don't know for sure, but I would say like the high likelihood is that he didn't never agree to IT IT until after the letter was out.

I mean, look, IT is so you cannot overstate how bizarre is that a few weeks before the democratic convention, when joe biden had already gone through a couple weeks of all these polls for him to step down and every single turn said, no, i've made up my mind. I am not stepping down its me verse trump, so get used to IT. I beat him last time and i'll beat them again this time that morning the morning that the letter comes out IT was some day his surrogates are going on the sunday talk shows and saying.

enough with hour before the letter you go.

enough of this. He's made up his mind. He is running even after poli and summer meet with him, even after the million or whatever is hell back from this is like no OK and then you're telling me the sitting president of the united states of amErica a few weeks before the convention is announcing that he won't be seeking reelection and this is not done in in an address to the nation.

This is done on personal stationary and just tweet out. And then in a separate tweet, he endorses kala Harris. And it's not for days later that hear from the president like that is crazy. I don't know. I know so many crazy things are going on that it's it's almost easy to not appreciate how crazy that one is.

But and you say, oh, he had cover whatever they get up, I don't know, put on one of those mask that you guys pretended worked for so many years and like, go, but he can even be an edited video IT doesn't have to be alive. I mean, just like, I know he stumbles a lot or whatever, they could be two minutes, but how do you not address the american people about that? And IT just IT really seems like and of course, I had had that reporting on on the call with obama.

They said they had all on board. We're gone to invoke twenty fifty men. But my suspicion is that that phone call happened, you know, like the the summer and policy strong arming didn't work.

Obama comes in. We're going to remove you from office. This will will be your legacy and then the letter is tweet out already and it's presented as a fata complete to him. It's all over. And then eventually he goes.

I but what does that say? I mean, if the sitting president in the states, proportionally the most powerful man in the world, doesn't have enough power to run again for the job he currently holds, he cannot.

he's not allow to.

It's not none of it's real. The president, he's not real. The president doesn't hold the power that me this show us that you so is then how do you if people are thinking this through how our system is voluntary, all systems are, how do they expect us to accept the election results, abide by those results, pair taxes? How do they expect us to obey when the system has been revealed as illegitimate?

Well, it's the only way would be some type of escalation of first. I think that the only way to do, I will say though, that you know, much like when the soviet union collapsed and was largely peaceful, you know, and was kind of like really amazing things, very peaceful. What happened in the years following IT was not good, and I didn't need to happen. And no.

but they pulled their nuclear weapons out of other satellites, states they dissolve, the worse w packed. I mean, that happened, by the way, thirty three years ago this week. Yeah, yeah, was my anymore.

And and you know, there there were people at the top who wanted to not let that happen, but like, no, escalate the force and don't let this happen, put down these revolts like they had done previously, and ultimately they just kind of lost. And like enough people, just like now just let them go, you know so that kind of hope that something like that can happen in the united states of america.

And that doesn't mean like a national divorce type thing, which is something that has become kind of a popular thing that some people advocate for. Um but IT does mean some type of like the centralization of power and washington ingles having much less power than IT currently does have. Um I think that IT is done I said this to last time.

It's the great case for up m is that all of this government tyranny relies on propaganda and the propaganda is being broken at an unbelievable rate. The things that would have seemed unavoidable very recently in my adult lifetime like not you know generations ago but just years ago um and we're seeing that now and people are waking up in a very profound way. I mean, IT really is IT is all fake and more and more people are aware of that. Uh like it's if you zoom out and go like from my mother's, you know, when my mother was my age to me being this age IT is unbelievable how much more people understand that .

this is thing again is the key. I mean, just of global, not to make everything and naughty reference. But IT was five, four, crippled, never fired a gun in his life, accept into his own head. In the end, never commanded an army.

You know he was the political chief of berlin, but he was the propaganda chief, and therefore he was the pivi al person in the not government he was, he was in charge people's brains and so that you cannot am not comparing anyone of the nazis. I hate nazi references in general, but that is true, right? Propaganda is kind of everything.

actually yeah and that it's it's the most powerful thing to control. It's more powerful than controlling the laws or the money or the military. You control what people think you know and you control narratives and it's amazing.

I mean, it's still very effective. It's not nearly as effective as IT once was um but IT is still that you see that like when people get taken over by the propagate, it's such a bizarre thing. I mean, you like it's like talking to someone and there's no soul there when they just repeat back the propagation or something was january six was an action you like i'm not having a conversation with you. O i'm having a conversation with like what don lemon convinced you you're supposed to believe .

people who fAllen for that?

yeah. I mean, I don't know. Like my close circ course not.

What do you think? I know i'm so far failed again, but I I don't know the answers. What distinguishes someone who falls for the crudest kind of propaganda? Ge, and a six with interaction dolmen smart. Whatever the lie is from you, so many people are smart. I mean, it's such as an I Q difference.

Oh no, no, no. It's not ai. I I don't completely know. I think there's something about um there there's it's like human beings are were pack animals, you know and that's like very at the core about, yes, you do you stay within the pack because like out here is death.

you I like so like to stay here.

right? And there's something there's a personality type that certain people have. It's again, IT is not about being left or right. It's at all.

That's there's something where people have you know like there's people who like I disagree with on a lot of issues, but like alex berenson is very willing to go outside total like OK. Oh, you want to, like, have all these errors come at me? Okay, fine. You know, Green, Green wall. This is very .

wary to think you very willing to do a great example, really like, but I just absolutely disagree with them .

on a lot of of issues. But I would was .

so great I mean, substance was like, I think is a really nice guy but but really his indefensible quality was bravery yeah that's that's what makes different look I mean.

like he was in yeah you were in and you're in the new york times. You're in all this and have been a risk all of that just to be right that something you know I mean, like IT doesn't even make sense when I say IT out loud. You like why would you do that? A terrible calculation.

But there are some people who do you kind of get so that you know but when you um so many of the people who and this is something I don't say this like attacking right wing amErica just is something like to be humble about but like in two thousand, two in the run up to the war in iraq, so many of these people who are like great now about seeing through all of this just knew IT as a certain take that like obviously sudan who has saying has nuclear weapons and he clearly was involved in nine eleven and like he's gonna hang these nukes that he doesn't have off to the terrace, he is not friends worth they're gonna te unless you go support overthrowing him they just knew that as a matter and essentially, what are you some type of whip if you don't agree with them on them and they didn't even kind of realize that they were doing the exact same thing as some twenty year old to tells you about climate change. Just repeating lies that someone else put into your head like that you are a pup t right now you know what I mean and you don't even realize. And so but I was like, I don't know, that was the culture they were in.

That was the world they were in. They saw these towers get hit. And what are you policy? No, you were going to go do something about that.

And so it's people play like the people's SE of identity is very important to them. I remember, okay, one time I was a my, I have a Younger brother. I was much Younger than me, thirteen years Younger than me from my mother's second marriage.

And he is great. Unbeliever, uh, can I love in the death? And so he was, I think he was three years old.

So I I was sixteen and I was watching a next game. And never forget this three year old, a kid, and he comes over to me and he was like asking about IT. I was like, you can watch game with me. And h, so we're sitting on the couch is three. We're watching the next game.

And he, he looked at me and he went, which one is me? And I was like, what you mean? Which one is you? I was, I was like a word rooting for the team in the blue shirts and then kind of accepted that like, okay, that's but I just remember always thinking there's like this is so profound that that's what's in us.

It's like, okay, you want me to like get into this like kinder it's projected abstraction. So who am I? What defines me? Like that so important to people? It's like, right?

The core of everything is like, who am I like as as a person? Like what's my identity? And I think that for, like, look, you saw this with them with like broadly speaking, like liberal america, well, during copy it's like their identity.

Their whole identity is that they are the scientific people. You know, you guys are the backwards robs who believe in superstition and religion. But we believe in science and reason. And let this is what makes us bit, that's their identity.

So once you tell them that it's like, well, the science says this IT was so easy to get them in, right? So easy to get them in on climate change. And then with, like more conservative america, their whole identity is that there are the tough ones who defend the country, who aren't what is who, who will defend the constitution.

And so the narrative, you know, gave them that identity. IT was so easy to fool them with all these other stuff. So I do think that's a big part of like they're very good. That's what the propaganda as do do at their best is they play off your you know sense of self.

Your identity is moral judea. U yeah, yeah. Use your body weight against you. They take your momentum, pull you exactly way past for you thought you would be.

But more, more people are waking up to that stuff now. And so that's good.

You've had a big effect on a lot of people, including me. And I appreciate this .

month you're coming. I mean, talk. I could do this all day.

So good. I mean, I hope you come back before both arrested and we could say, once again, man, it's also been to and months everything's different yeah I hope I mean.

even if if we could just share ourselves once we get right, so that would be really continue this and .

I will I will never summer. Thanks, man. Thank you. Thanks for listen across and show. If you enjoy IT, you can go to talk across and that com to see everything that we have made the complete library, a croson dca.