Congressman Ron Paul
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IT starts to a dawn on a lot of people, even people who we're not paying attention, says six months ago that the warm ukraine is a big deal. What they told us IT was it's not good for ukraine and the people who live in that sad country, and it's not good for the it's, or for that matter, for the west. In fact, it's likely to be, in retrospect, a turning point in the history of the west and not for the Better.

Who could have seen this coming? Who could have known, say, ten years ago, that actually U. S. Activity in ukraine was not an effort to bring freedom to the ukrainians, but was actually a massive intel Operation designed to draw unites states into war with russia for reasons that are even now not clear.

Who could have seen that? Actually, one person did see that ten years go, and that person was ron paul. But don't take a word for IT. Here he is in two thousand and fourteen.

I speak more from the perspective of the u. states. Taxpayers and IT doesn't serve our interests.

Spent five billion dollars at the last ten years trying to pick and choose the leadership of ukraine. And we participated in the overthrow of the yana coverage government. And this is when this recent stuff really stood up.

But we've been involved too much. And I take a non intervention is foreign policy position is not our business. IT doesn't serve anybody's entrance is part of the same thing that let us into the disaster in the middle east.

A lot of people die, a lot of money spent, and we're still suffering the consequences of the war in iraq and afghanistan. And there's the threat of the war in syria. We don't need another threat.

American taxpayers don't want IT and our government thinks they can get away with. Well, I know the people don't want to war yet, but we're going to play games and we're going to threat. And russian, we're going to put on sanction.

And they failed to recognize that we have five hundred billion dollars of investments in russia. Russia has four hundred and fifty billion hours invested in the west. And all we're doing is trying to stir up more trouble. Makes no sense whatsoever. So IT makes a lot of sense for us to mind our own business and let somebody over there solve their own problem.

Be honest, be honest. Were you paying close attention to ukraine in two thousand and fourteen? We weren't. Most people warn, and as a result, this country got dragged without even knowing IT, into one of the pivotal conflicts in modern history, to our grave disadvantage.

The questions, how did run paul from a congressman from texas? How did he get that right? How did he know that? Why did he know to pay attention to ukraine and not just ukraine, to monetary policy, to the state of our economy, to the state of our country, to the state of the west? How did he know before the rest of us know? Maybe because his principles haven't trained about sixty years.

So we thought I would be a good idea to spend a little time with a man himself to allow him a Victory lap. Er will deserve Victory lap, but also to be a little bit and how did you see things that nobody else did? So we are honored truly to have former congress man run paul instead. You know all.

thank you very much. sucker.

I'm going to be with you. So i've spoken for you moment ago, but let me ask you directly, how did you how in two thousand and fourteen, did you see what so many others, including me, did not that this was a very big deal, what was happening in ukraine, and that I might end very badly for us?

Sometimes the people who are running their Operation gives you an idea like, like Victoria nuland, yes. And you say, what are those people do IT? But there, there are such an example of by partnership, they can work with both of them and the the worst kind of warm longer. But you all you have to do is you don't have to know all the detail.

I'm always I would try to be very cautious, you know, especially an economic well, I this this and this and next month, there's gonna such as such happen and also your economies not we're taught that you don't know exactly when things are happening, but you can see things coming. You know is the same way you might be able to see our foreign icy coming if you want to go back and observe what happened at the beginning of the last century ah you know with the food progressive movement. So in the hints are there, I think it's I think what has helped me over the years.

I'm curious those people are, but a lot of people aren't that curious. I know why that happen, because still the question I happened, you know, like like recent things happen. I said, who's gonna benefit? Who benefits from these bombs? Benda p who's? Who's who benefit? So I am very curious.

And then I don't try to know everything because I think that the timing and elements and all, but i'm always impressed that there are people awakening. They're wake up and I say, you know this whole thing about IT audit, the fed that came out of a speech I gave a university of michigan and that was early and in the presidential things and IT was the crowd. Those college kids and I were because I and they are the then they took that fill reserve notes.

They were been buying a burning filter reserve note. So I figured there's somebody y's missing the boat because these kids know a lot more than their given he credit for. I've changed my mind totally and completely because there are a lot of bad examples in college. There's a lot of junk go out there. Yes, a lot of that professors did you know .

that i've heard that? Yes.

a lot of bad professor. So I I am, am very impressed. A Young people have a more open mind, and sometimes with a blanket zone, which I should be cautious with. I much really talk to Young people who are curious that the people who belong to the chAmber commerce.

I agree with the .

commerce people, similar es. The lobbies.

of course they do and and they have economic interests that prevent them from thinking. Honestly, I I had that experience. So just saying off air at one of your speech is probably twenty years ago, i'd never seen you speak before, and you went off about the federal reserve.

I remember thinking, what a weird, what an esoteric subject or nothing about IT. I thought only crazy people cared. But I think I was completely ignorant about monetary policy at the time, and I was shocked by how much the crowd left IT.

They were completely tuned in. They thought I was really important. Why would the average person twenty years ago have a Better sense of that than, say, me, who was paid to follow the subject, but wasn't, how do people .

know I got IT from literature? You could read about IT. We didn't have an internet. We didn't have the radio, T, P, giving a good information.

But I was out there for one group that helped me a whole lot, was a learned reid, the foundation for economic education? Yes, I knew him. And he, he was a true believer.

He was a dignify person and very likeable. And he talked about process, how you reach people. And but he was, he was very, very liberator in his own way. But he was, he was sorry about a an intellectual and he influence me a lot.

So I read everything he did and uh he he did a lot of literary but to follow up of that was, of course, the mis institute and yes, and I was part of that and uh and I think see, I think they're important. people. I know people on TV are reliant oh so, so important.

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important. But there there are a lot of people that are important. I think the ideas are the most important, and they come and go and h, but the ideas make all the difference in the world of me.

I look at the the need for the ideas on how our country came about. You know, Thomas Jeffery son and others said that knew exactly what they were talking about. But we don't have many Thomas jeff sons around and anymore. So but but there's more people there are influence there, but there are more.

But but the underground, you know the solum majority, the a remnant you I believe in the room that both in a philosophic and a religious cent, when things iterate, there's always some way there is going to gather together, ten, twelve, fifty, two hundred or five hundred, they gathered together. And I talk about the real things are important and run IT. I think it's much bigger.

Anybody ever realized? And I think when I walked into the stadium, I don't know how many times I would say where these people come from. I was, I tell him I .

thought the same .

thing because, you know, I remember, my goal was never to be on politics. I I would had no desire to be on politics, but I wanted to use politics to express a message of personal liberty that that was my goal so that was the ah that was a whole reason that I got involved and evidently there were other people looking for the same thing and um I was impressed we have how many people there were and I got to the point where I thought Young people basically were being a ridiculed and my family and they still get IT and some of deserve IT but there are still Young people are very good in and and and they you know wife would even back it's been a while I was a canada when I would mention the remit. I knew exactly what I was talking about.

People gather together for biodiverse gc reason is no um you know nobody looking for you you know to be A I good lobby's and all that kind right washing is so bad that somebody， he said, what how did you ever survive IT? I said, well, I said I just, I just, I said that I didn't. I never became an optimist.

I never said I going to cure the world. I thought yet, as were important. And that's what I wanted to do because I was very selfish because I think I may feel Better talking about something I believe.

And then when I saw some kids at berkely and other schools getting up and saying, and if and then, well, liberty is not dead at all, I think we're just is just gets reignited. And I think we're the early phases of that. But I also be believe we have to go through rough tumble times because the Price always has to be paid. If you in a Price in the sense, how do you liquidate to det, you know, we can't walk away from that.

That how do we liquidate to that?

The market will liquid ate IT. And the the way the market liquid hates IT is a, what was L, D mail is like the person that wants fifty dollar early wages. Yes, you print money.

And every time you print money, the value of the door goes down. So the value of the debt goes down. You just a theoretical thing, if you double the money supply and Prices go up fifty percent IT doesn't work that way.

But if you do that, the real debt is IT goes down. So it's a theft. It's a tax. It's even little to inflate .

your way out of the and .

that's that's what will happen because what won't happen is that people are going to get together and all of the sand, said, ron, you need to go back. Yeah, I sure. No, you we need to go back and get more people.

You know, do we do have some very good people in congress, but there are pretty lonely to us and they're very lonely. But I think I, I, I tell people you're not gonna twelve, twenty four, one hundred new members of congress. The system is so embeds with bankrupcy and corruption that that's not gonna.

But I was still an optimist because I think we are counts where that people are studying and and understanding and they were never ahead of I figured there ahead of me because I said, you know you you know uh uh and if that is free at money and so they are well along the way and it's more available now than ever before this information yeah always figure that if if someone you listen to talk but yeah but I I like I say I don't know way, do this for us so the selfish reason, because I want to do IT, I gets some benefit, you know emotional and philosophic benefit by doing IT. But never as much as I expected. I mean, I always got more than I ever expected because there's more people out there.

Uh, one need to change your mind. I make IT. I just still get hundreds and hundreds of letters. The lady story, I get our Young people running to me that they've had theyve started their own organization and there's, you know, a freedom organization and they're very creative.

And at the end of my speeches, I used to talk about, if you if you're listening and you agree with this, I think you have a higher moral responsibility, then somebody let just know it's going on, right? You have the responsibility to put IT out there oh that I think is uh A A lot of them took me have my word and they have started their own organization um you know and and I think I think you can stop you an idea whose time is come. Can we stop my armies? And I I strongly believe that.

So ideas are powerful. And I I saw that, uh, yeah, you know, I I, I, I didn't never want the political career because the goal of IT the thing of is that you want to be cheer of the bank and committee. You don't you don't bash the fair, i've noticed. So so it's but but I think every issue we deal with, you can look at the same way, whether it's personal liberty, uh, whether the foreign policy uh, or or whatever or monetary policy so but the the forward policy is is the big deal, you know.

So I want to ask before I ask with that, I want to follow on one thing you said, you said you speak to the remnant. And no matter how bad things get, there is always a remnant of people who understand what's going on, who find each other. I love, and I think is true. But you said it's not just a political or practical consideration for you, is also a spiritual principle for you.

What did you mean? I think, I think my spirit should believe, which I don't .

carouser I know but I know .

there's sincere ah I I think that that's the same principle you know the non aggression principle yeah I think more Christians should know about non aggression.

I agree with .

that about the people in congress about what what is personally annoying to me are the ones who speak well, are dedicated to the constitution and freedom and peace, and they go on and on. Yes, they are the biggest war on us ever. They never voted if a nico against the militant comic. But I still call themselves conservative constitutional st, where the left does that .

all in Christians they call them.

So yeah, they just take that as automatic too, you know. But yes, they would.

So you don't see cluster bombs as a Christian principle.

I see everything that leads up to even think in about a cost. Obama is not Christian so I know I I sleep I don't manage the, um you know how would you handle, uh, ukraine right now? Perfect answer, you know.

Well, now we have more or all three on the door step and we every day we try to start another fight with russia, and there we go on and on. Uh, so it's not gonna stopped that way. I think IT has to be stopped with by people changing their minds. And I think the founders are on the right track.

I see something encouraging right now about um you know the sprouting up of a independent statehood, you know the talk of going on their own and and the founders were pretty good at devising this because for instance, well, you know we could still move from one state to another yeah somebody might even want just leave that place out western, come to florida, something like that. I think there's a lot of opportunity. More people are talking about that.

Two more people are willing to chAllenge all this. And if you just get a person to show that you're on the right track, you know, when I gave my longer speeches, and I think you suffer through one, two, many, so I would do IT, and I would hit hard on a mess for them. You guys are getting ripped off and look at the heart is all fake, is all lying and cheating and stealing and I go, baby, average forty five minister, so if I say, but also have to be that way, and I give him my power spill, it's not complicated.

Don't hurt people, don't kill people, don't steal her people and you go, there's going to a be more peace and prosperity than ever so I won't go to this with great deal sincere and uh, afterwards, so often Young people will come up to me. He says, you know wrong what I really like about you. You're such an optimist and you know but I I couldn't quite figure that out well, forty five minutes was I was telling you the end of the world's going theoretically know so they say no but but I think what happens is say, I think people are starved for the truth I think you understand providing truth, yes, and you they're starving for the truth and then uh then they say, uh, when I get when I guess this, they know that that things can get Better than that reason as so there is positive.

So they the the there's a benefit. And I use the analogy sometime and medicine, if you have a very, very sick patient, comes down with a very, very bad, you don't go and said, oh, so, so sorry, you have this cancer two weeks ago yet you don't do that, you know you that would be insane. Of course, what they do is, and they say we've been struggling for a while and they don't have a diagnosis and they're a terrified if somebody cause and said, this is what you have and explain IT to and there are options and some of you give give people hope.

Yes, once once they got that, they ve forgot about all the, they didn't want to hear about how you, how sick you are and how sick the economy is. What they want to do is here the side. We know that bad, you convinced this, but what do you do about IT? And that's where that's where it's easy for me to talk about monetary policy.

Don't be a counter filter. This is fraud. The founders is hated IT. It's illegal. The constitution is not only go can be legal tender so and here guess one ninety thirty h thirty four, when was about my gold dial legal? Yes, I was told I was.

I was growing up in those years that there is only two places in the world you can't own, go, united states and the soviet system. So that that picked me up. So why did I do those thing? And IT isn't hard for people to understand counterfeit.

And the other thing is this is not hard for people understand on taxation is a tax. It's a vicious tax. It's a tax on the poor and the middle of and IT IT hands as war IT hands.

All this welfare is they take money like this. Sometimes they give IT away to illegal immigrants. You know anything I want to do that they use this money issue.

But if if you can't print to money is all difference in world. It's honesty and and the message. The people that I came across her are very attracted to IT. I think that was the truth. And um I think you've already recognize that.

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So what does the average .

person do if what you have predicted comes true and I think is likely well that there's no way to get out of the debt and no way to liquidity to except through inflation, hyperinflation. How do you protect your family? Like what practical steps do you take?

You have that option and everybody does that a different way. And aware by endorsing ing the second amendment or practicing the first amendment, I can see the first amendment key because if we can talk and get our message out, uh, it's a lost cause yes but the cause I think you're asking is, yeah but this is a big deal. You know what wall street going na do and they're gonna collapse.

Well, in theory they don't have to if we cut the back of the spending and you know I cut uh and quite putting as much money, you could improve IT, but they're not going to do IT. No, so they're going to continue to do IT. And ah I think people should know about how how throughout history, even currently we're in the middle of IT, you know the depreciation of the money is what what people can do.

The the the data I list is the real I O when are for me uh because I read about this stuff in the sixties and I understood the significance of monetary policy. But at night a and a nickson was in, and I talked about the austrian free markets were predicting would have to go off the gold standard completely and totally. We were already off.

Half of americans wear a lot of uncle, but we were honoring a dollar. And that kept us up, kept our dollar as a reserve currency. And people trust in everybody else was worse than we were.

yes. So they would take the dollar. And and that was a, that was A A, A big deal.

But you can't do that forever. I think origin this point, where are some sudden thing is going to happen? I believe I believe in that theory of the black wan.

Yes, it's onna pop up and um it's it's not gonna controllable. But people you ask what can they do? I think the most important thing is understand what's gone on is education.

That's why I happen to have a hope school in program. I like try to teach her stuff early because you can't change you. You can go in and say, okay, you want fifty dollars an hour.

We can do that. But we have to compromise with the other pay. We will just gave you a thirty two dollars per hour, you know, guarantee that kind of nonsense.

You have to be able to, you know, tell what they have to do. What is to protect the body? Why is to protect your well. But when I go through this, when people really want to know some details, and I get a little more in detail, I said, but really, really the most important thing you do is is, is, is study and understand what's going on.

Because if you come away from that and you're able to accumulate while get by, you have your guns and you have stored food and all that, it's, it's, it's not going to work. You have to understand what's happening. You have to know it's coming is very, very dangerous.

And that's why I love to see smaller units of government, anything that hans, that says they are springing up an idea in our states to act like they want to act. Yes, they're starting to, you know, they're starting idea more independent. And this whole thing, I don't know why they don't jump on this, is I should be easier to sell.

why? Why don't why do they get away with, uh, the total destruction of the constitution that everybody can legislate? The courts, you know, the if prefer the the executive branch legislate and and they go on.

But the congress says the authority cancel that that they can if they write a regulation, congress could cancel. I think they've done at once. It's been around for twenty years, but but they should just have a authority to do IT because it's in the constitution.

They they should. They don't have any authority to do that. So they've lost all sense of authority and responsibility, yes. And that makes Young people, uh, will give up on IT. And this is why a lot of the Young people started acting like the government, you know, the government trees that steals and cardiff s why can't wait? That's what I love the story.

Badia, you know, the best distort is that if, if, if you and I can't steal from my neighbor and we can take your car and we can't hurt people, why is IT that we let the government do? IT you want to go to the neighbor? You say you have three cars and I don't have any. I want one of your car. Most people say, well, I say illegal.

but you can just take someone's coral.

But to other, can the governors taking stuff from most all the time, and most of the taking is from the people who work hard in middle class, and they're poor and they and they suffer the consequence of inflation, very wealth. People don't have to worry about the cost of of of brain, but they they do have to they have to worry about the big system. Because when the big system done, there's not many people are going escape IT.

There will be some someone might have to move along off for something but now I think it's give people hope, but they have to understand what's going on, why we deserve the uh the a constitution. Ah I believe I believe I talk a little bit and my little book like to cool. I think the government been taken over and I think enough and we talked a little bit about Kennedy.

I think the date I say IT was concrete that there was a coup and we lost our government was november twenty second. Yes, assassination of candidate. And so I should .

say you you're talking about the great serb dishes crew who stole western civilization that you've written. And i've read a lot of IT, and you say two things that people may not know. One, you were in texas the day of the assassin. You were senior flight surgeon at an airport space, I think can say antonio, right? And you saw air force one flow over like hours before he was killed.

So that was amazing, right? I was a being the chief of, uh, a final officer didn't mean a whole .

lot what's in yeah, I know.

But I didn't want to make a sound like I was in charge of Kitty safety. So anyway, I was told this. Just be a alert to the fact that Kennedy is gona lan on. He does a little bit of business.

He went to the space center, I think a brook air for space and um that he um then he took off and I think he was on his way of he would had a busy two days so he he takes off but um I know how busy I was doing what I said you were because when he took off I was on the golf course. I say as a wl, but I was nothing I could do so but I remember IT distinctly because, uh, I kept thinking, well, maybe I should be done on the flight line, you know, this sort of thing. But I was real close.

I was like, a close. So I was there, and I saw force one take off. And I thought I stopped and looked and looked, yeah.

I thought I, I was so impressed. And then what I write is I never did. I think within twenty four hours this world would change. Yes, he was listen twenty four hours by the time of you skill but because I think he stopped uh, in santa anio, then he came back to for worth and then I end up in that .

was so you you say in this don't think it's a controversial statement anymore. But the C I of course, was involved in his murder Allen dollars, the director had fired year before after being a pigs. Um but you you you make a point. I ve never her before you said you believe that his fate was sealed on june tenth thousand nine hundred and sixty three when to give the commencement addressed american university fairly famous speech to plan to watch tonight actually about peace.

Tell us what you was a peace statement. I was great. Kennedy was controversial.

He wasn't always anti war as he was leading up to his death. Yeah, he had. He had some foreign policy that I wouldn't be endorsement, but he was. He was coming this way. And as when a he 嘿呀 he said that， uh, you know he said flowering things about peace and um IT became known they're because he did speak out and I think IT wasn't that many days you know before is assassination but they were they established on the F I and A C I.

The planner really soup things up for further players and uh he was a uh you know killed uh by people that for a long time, you know probably several years, I thought I was oswell. You know you did yeah yeah because I wasn't. I wasn't.

I didn't. I wasn't in a place hours about the chAllenges. I would didn't take long start questioning this once like that.

Another personal thing that came out was, you know a after ten years and I had a group of the best uh, pathologists in the country get together and a one person in that group was sera. Wac with zero web was from the university pitzer. G, and I had heard lectures from him because I was O, B. And as a path, all just, he would give us selective res. So I I sort .

of medical.

yeah, I my, my resent. But there were twelve of them, ten maybe, but there was a group, and they all and I had this going over, you know, the sassy ation and all the experts were there, and everybody says, oswald, even this. And this was, like, later, ten years later, you accept, accept the zero .

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zero, except for wk. He said he can't be one shot. And but he said that from the very beginning, so he he was fine.

Ally allowed to examine the paperwork 啊， of the autopsies. He was, I think, the only one. And he went, and guess what? He discovered no records existed here. You.

yes, I can believe, I can believe so you served in congress, I think twice, as I remember. But for for a while ah.

I was drafted in sixty, sixty three during the vietnam thing. I didn't go to vietnam. I was drafted then. But the end, they, the government really messed up my schedule.

They took me out of the middle recency, and I had to go back, and I had a break of six months. So I was very pragmatic. I said, why you just discharged me in six months.

So I stayed. So I was there two years. Pu, six months. Then I, then I was in the national guard.

But but in all of your time in congress, did you ever come across other members of congress you served with who said, wow, you know, the CIA was involved in Kennedy. Stinson was this widely known. Help when you serve there.

I never heard anybody say that.

Anybody.

well, probably heard heard my close friends.

It's just funny that again, now I think people recognize that that's true. But that was sixty years ago and our lawmakers never talk about IT.

But you mention to me here and brought back in memory, but do you know who they are pointed to the commission, our dollars to?

He was on the world commission. yeah. So the guy who is possible, the .

murder, the republic has gone, as when I said the day and IT IT was eroding from the beginning of the last centers with the philosophic changes. But I think I think is is still what what about that? Uh, former F, B, I 和 C， I agents said we were taught to light and still, and any giggled and the crowd clap and he was making fun love IT. So IT does .

make you wonder if if you know people want to be free.

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I'm started to jump around so much on the your thinker, but just back to the economy really quickly. You have always been a proponent of own physical gold. Uh, and you said this for many, many decades.

Has that been a do you still believe that? And has that been a good strategy? Do you think over time?

Yeah yeah so so i'm not like a gold bug. That gold is no gold can protect you from inflation has been known for six thousand years. yes. The so yes.

So I think that that is the case that you you can be protected, but that what I would tell the students are, are looking for what I said. But you can do that. You can have your goal, you can have food, you going to have your cabin and and guns at all.

This, I said that won't matter if you don't have your freedom, if you don't have your first amendment, say, I think the first member is so powerful but if you don't have that, I could doing and I so I I have gold but you know talking about buying gold and preparing for gold ah I don't think I broken any laws on this, but i'll tell you anything you know I was later on goal, yes, and ate six. Late sixties people were buying gold shares, gold stocks, because their Price you up when you old would go up because people were bedding that thirty five hours. And I were last.

And then then they were right.

the nicks and proved IT in the last, but people in head goal. So he closed the, he closed the gold when the, but in that period of time, I don't have the dates. But before I was officially legalized, you were a lot of bad by new mathematic corns.

If you were a corn saver, yes, a technical way, you can get around IT. So I remember my first school corns. I was by not for a new musical tic reason, but there are some of the latest cause I got.

And the mexicans were way ahead of us. They started mining coins and put a back date on. So, you know, so they they fulfill the requirement, only old coins that were messmates.

So if if you couldn't buy a coin that was, if I bought him, say, nineteen and sixty nine, I can't to buy a coin that would be minute that year. yes. So mexico would date on back under the ninety eighties, so that that made IT illegal. So those were my first course. Do those have .

to be good investments over time? Do you think .

do you think the dollars held up very well? No, I don't. You know, just it's a britain. Woods broke down August fifty seven.

One, uh, if you were, if you were betting on a gold coin or, uh, you are your dollar, dollar was ninety eight percent of its purchasing power. A gold went from thirty five dollars up and nine. Yeah, it's from two thousand.

Yes, has a ways to go. Yes, because the dollar has a ways to go to, yes, yeah, they can, they can. They can restore the dollar, but but there has to be a liquidation of debt, and you only liquidated twice.

A an individual can work hard and save, pay and pay off the dead. It's not gonna happen for the government. yeah. But the liquidation will be a lot more inflation.

And when I say inflation and not, well, there will be Prices going up, but the inflation is the sickness to anybody who needs money. But the more the Prices go up, the more everybody needs money. Rich and poor needs more money, yes.

And and that's why the incentive of all of this, the most important Price under those conditions is the interest rate that tells in a free market that tells you what to do. Should you say you should spend? Should you invest in all this thing? So that, that is that that that's something that people know about.

But the interest strates have they took they took him to minus. They took him on this zero. And then that was a inflation discount.

So IT was worth than zero. So that distorted. So I see all the money is not out there yet.

And all the dissemination of this male investment and all these decisions made on IT was like building a city with big buildings without a rule. Yeah, and it's it'll come down. We did.

We throw the ruler away on purpose and said that you can't chart. Well, the government wants to give, give money. Have you ever seen some ads recently? All this opportunity, especially after to cove IT, if you write here, get here, you can get fifteen hundred thousand check.

And this last week, they they are always invited you to take more money. So it's, it's, it's sane. In some day, they're gonna wake up and the market to wake up and they'll be a rush, a rush to try to protect themselves. But like I say, my investment is various because I do believe in A A little bit of all that where's go quarter.

So over courts or little bit stuff like but uh that my big investment is, uh, the pleasure I get on somebody called me up telling me, well, I heard you speak way back then and that's why I started my orange ation and he had a fantastic orange ation. So I get there out on routine basis, I think, is the greatest story told because nobody can tell that part of the rather, nobody can tell whether, oh, I converted one person. Oh, great deal.

But he might, he might have A A loose letter as part of people, yes, who he spreads the message around. And I keep picking, how could that be? Well, how did the how did the pap latex do? Attentive revolution wrote pathless, and physically had to pass them right? yes. And the greatest message of of liberty occurred. You aren't pay for the theory.

did we? You surprised by the reaction that your foreign policy views got I I I mean I watch this. I want a piece about you for the new republic when you and for president and um IT was a positive piece and the magazine in the next issue wrote a piece about how you, a dangerous picket, totally dishonest magazine and they did IT because they hit the reform policy views. But instead of explaining why they were bad, they attacked you as a person morally.

that's when I ve run out of the argument .

so but what you didn't seem to have affected you at all. You didn't seem to .

care in a way, I, I can't care because they, they have the problem. I don't have the problem. They do.

I can offer them. But I I don't please see, right? You can know we have conserves now. We're going to change these laws, all this crazy stuff they are teaching in schools, and we're going to say all, all theirs and put this in that I don't I don't believe in that is so use of force. That fact, I don't believe and believe the government should be in our schools and throw the constitution that's the source of all our problems and that the universities around by the government you know all student loans and all all the professors there, they're all tied into the government .

so what do you think um that over the last let to start with regan so forty four years since agan got elected um the core of the republican servais idea has been song government and they've had powered at various times and theyve shared power for all of that time and yet government is many times be bigger than that was forty four years ago. So how did what was that? Do they not mean that is IT impossible?

Like what the people you are, the ones that do IT there's a lot of people who still a don't want that but uh as why whoever that deep state guy, they direct things pretty well.

The deep take who is the deep state other way.

Well, I don't have a list this product.

I have no idea.

Well, I I think it's people who have tremendous power and um they happen to hate liberty and they happen to be people that have endorsed because of they're wells, they're been they want to get a lot of well because of that they get they they become nicely. They don't believe in truth. Truth is impossible and that you can't believe in truth.

So it's rejected. So but everybody wants something to believe in, so they believe in themselves. These people who uh you know have a lot of influence, whether there are the presidents of our university, which is like like not too long ago, didn't we have a few professor show up on television on that? Ah this were terrible, terrible and were the ones in charge of our kids. So now do you think there's .

a connection between great wealthy of being a billionaire and being a bad person?

Oh manufact donal's. Strong defender of people who earn their money, honestly? yes.

And but why are are a richest class of americans is the most analytic IT does not all of them, but as a group .

there the most realistic?

He does seem that way.

Oh, I think I look at statistics that show that amErica is one of the most generous nations.

of course. no. But I mean.

it's the billionaire classes owr. Yes yes, because they're god. If give them up, you, if you give them up on, hire a law. Yeah, natural law, natural law, natural law can be known.

And if you can even depend on the founders to make sure that we all fall, the natural law, the natural law is, if you, I sad here and said, what we are having our community, what would we think is a very natural, think that all people should follow, uh, we should steal from each other. And for that you shouldn't kill each other, we should do that. Yeah uh, you you should hurt people is even know on the most early all way back to never can lesser yes, sumeria they had rules against why i'm cheating a killing yes. And it's a phenomenal that is there. But uh, the people your question is why uh, some of the rich people become bombs?

Yes, why do something? The rtp will become bombs left. But I think IT .

I know I I think it's because they don't have a belief in a higher spirit. Yeah ah and but you know and like image to you and I don't think my position what i'm doing her and congress there to say, well, I know if you go to this church and do you not not that but spiritually, everybody can have a spiritual life and I don't think nyala can get rid of their spiritual life. They have a substitute and they become this sort of the substitute. And I know it's best for everybody smart.

So I I I know you never talk about yourself. You you um you said you don't wear your religion, your sleep. I won't press you, but I just have to ask you one personal question because is interesting. So you married um your your wife who you met ten choose an eighth grade. You were married for over sixty years, nineteen nine grandchildren, great grandchildren you were successful marriage to obviously how did you do that?

I was taking of of supply, and I don't know whether has any many you came. Yeah, I always felt Better when i'm doing what I discovered was the higher law, yeah, the natural law, that then I say, what I really do IT for self, this reason, because I feel Better about IT. yes.

And if I go, I think, well, if I just wrote that bank one time, I take that great, I can become very wealthy. Uh, then that's beside so I I think I I look at and at all of this. The other thing advice my audience is that you really want to have a lot of fun doing this.

And ah I think I think if there are some on TV that are maybe sixty percent right, forty percent wrong, but there are so oh, I don't know what the word is, boring. And last year, I think I think you should be having a good time to want IT. And people people in these, you take home school to people if you have remember people at the home school, yeah, I mean, they they get together and I have fun, you know they have they say, all know, but there are social misfits.

I'll tell you what, the home school of people I run into are not social misfields doesn't mean there's always so shortcoming, but no, they they hand together. I think there's gonna a lot of that uh coming. I think that will continue to grow, especially with the destruction of the school sister yes, you know the hope schooling numbers of skyrocket during the cove. T you know because they could send their kids to school.

Ah I I think um but they need encouragement even though see the majority vote, fifty one percent can do anything at once is the able of of of democracy but you still need a prevAiling attitude about the people uh h the general rules and you can steal from people know you don't have after, uh explain that but that a that makes IT I I think it's so easy to be a wonderful part about IT our our little program that we put out this little uh is um you know per is is for peace and prosperity who can turn that down. But maybe maybe the prosperity isn't coming fast. And now, but they have to measure.

There are prosperity in different ways. You know, there's different ways of mission of prosperity. Maybe all you want to buy Bakers and a home or some. So have you .

had fun looking back on your life? Have you had fun? Come back back, looking back on your life.

Have you had fun? I was always my goal. He was now in a serious way. No, I I did. I think the most bad times that comes when there's fairly problems or somebody does, uh, but I think it's some it's something that you you you accept and you have you should have fun and uh people people think it's all dire and some people have a hard time you know with life and paying their bills know but is the government fall is not you are fall and is IT can change.

They have to have hope yeah and I think that's the most important thing and always feel elgood of somebody said, yeah, sometimes the Young people in, even as they got older, would come up and said they would say things is that almost they don't say they are too loud. I don't think we're all crazy. And I say, you can imagine how you've changed my life.

And I say, I only want to to change your money. no. Are you ever double the message? I have didn't apply to monetary policy alone.

IT applied to everything, and IT was a way of life, and that is non aggression. Don't use force, don't use violence. And the guys are, yeah, you know, most people's religions, there's not many religions, said, well, you should go out today. And murray, many people who should so I I think I remain optimistically. There are days when I think is a type to change. No, but the reward comes from uh, people who who say that, uh, it's been very beneficial, something you know or just let's be A K opposes and they were for they were study and harder and thing else and uh they come back and say, you know after heard you speak, he says, I I buckle down I lied a medical school and now i'm a doctor and and I want to give me credit for that side quit maybe i'll help your little.

Doctor, run up. Thank you. You a lot of praise for being right then.