Author Kris Newby explains how the first Lyme Disease infections happened just a few miles from an animal-testing lab in Connecticut. Could the spread of the disease be related to a lab leak?
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If you live in certain parts of this country, rural areas, particularly, you know, people who have or who have had lime disease, and for some of them, maybe most is not a huge deal. You go and and you get a big dose of antibiotic xxi of some symptoms, and then IT seems to go away. But for some percentage, you may know these people too.

It's totally life destroying. It's years in bed. It's agony. It's really the end of your productive life.

So what is that exactly? What is lime disease? They're still an active debate about that very basic question. Some have dismissed IT as as a psychological symptom actually but even people acknowledge that he is a physical syndrome um aren't always very clear that they shoot in on an agreement with one another about what IT is or where he came from. So back in two thousand and a ada women called Christ new be produced a documentation about wine. At that point IT was becoming a very serious global illness and its origins, or mysterious unknown people whispers about IT but no one could be certain that documentary was called under our skin. Here's part of IT.

some infectious disease doctors. They don't believe in life. And they said that I was faking IT and pretending so I could get at a school line.

Is the fast is growing infectious disease in the country. Two hundred thousand new case, there may be even more.

IT is a political disease and an economic disease. As much as IT is a bacterial borne infection.

I would never, never have thought that something like a bacteria logical infection can become so litin. Zed, the truth can be so brutally started. I going to despair daily.

I cry daily, I wanna die daily. Well, when I saw the doctor and, you know, he said, you've got a long road ahead of you. It's not going to be easy.

So that scared me. The unknown is pretty scary. IT is a national health crisis that is completely and totally being ignored and squashed. What is going on? Well.

you could write IT off and against some have as a figment of your imagination but there are real neurological symptoms and if you know anyone who's had to, you know that it's entirely real. Um so again, what is this what Christina has spent a lot of time thinking in researching on this topic has been affected personally by lime is the author of bitten, the secret history of biological weapons and alyn disease. And SHE joins us now person me, thanks so much for coming on. Um so can you just .

give us you for inviting .

me oh oh absolutely uh a quicker to think overview of what lime .

is so lime disease is caused by A A spiracles do bacteria ah and you get IT through a tick bite and if you treat IT up immediately with a doxy cycling or a oxy silan IT will go away uh the problem is it's very often a misdiagnose or diagnosed late and that that's where the controversy comes in for the disease IT. Uh IT can linger for months to years and then it's really hard to get rid of and into complicated. A tick can transmit up to twenty different disease causing microbes. And so if you have like two or three or four of those in one tick bite, IT created a confusing set of symptoms that doctors have trouble diagnosis.

So doctors can isolated, however, the organism that causes lime, specifically I M there's no mystery about where that comes from. Is that correct?

Well, there are antibody test for lime disease. It's really, really hard to culture the, you take blood and culture IT in a petri dish. Yes, the problem is the test are not very reliable that the lime disease anybody tests don't usually work in the first month.

IT takes a law for your body to develop antibodies to the level that they can be measured. And then later on, the test are that great? No Better than a coin flip because IT just depends on ah what strain you have and and what you if you really sk, you won't produce antibodies.

interesting. So the problem with tiktok diseases is there are a lot more ticks than there have been in in our lifetimes. Anyway, parts of the northeast have seen an explosion and take population to the point where large memory are being destitute, suck dry a blood and dying because they have, to me, ticks on them.

So that's not anyone's imagination. That's measurable. So if you have a disease that spread by ticks and there are a whole lot more ticks, you're going to get a whole lot more cases. The disease is this measured, measurable?

Um yes. And uh I would say just the the cases of line disease are going up, which is proving that ticks are biting people. The C, D, C estimates there half a million cases a year that's on average thirteen hundred people a day that significant.

Now why they're spreading so quickly? Um I go into that in the book a little bit. I mean, there certainly is global with climate change, which means winners aren't severe and a lot of the ticks don't die off yes, for that's true in in main. And then part of IT is people are moving into the woods and are exposed more to the ticks yes.

of all true um in may in another northern states but IT does raise the question I would how did this? I mean, if you're if you're seventy five years old, you did not grow up with lime disease. If you're fifteen years old, you're worried about lime disease. That's a pretty short period. Where do we think this came from?

Well, I the thing I found in my research for my book is line disease wasn't a problem, problem, a noticeable problem told amid seventies. And what my research said is that there are actually three really variant tiktok n diseases that that showed up right around live connect cut at the mouth of the connected cut river, which is right across from plum island, which was the us. Is uh anti animal crop.

Uh, headquarters for the biological weapons programs. So late sixties, the the peak of the biological weapons program in the U. S.

These three freaky diseases shut up. So that was line arthritic caused by the spire key. There was a uh riccio, which is uh rocky man and spotted fever. And then there was A A cattle parasite. IT was the second time IT was found in man in that area called the busy and that that's actually you I got lime and babe's a which can be fatal .

in its a serious disease so all three so you have a cluster effectively of these three previously rare diseases right across the water from the U. S. Governments biological weapons testing facilities .

that that we are saying yeah and it's if you like working for the C D, C. And on look on on the lookout for natural versus unnatural disease outbreaks, having three new tick born diseases show up extra deadly disease causing than in the past. IT would raise um IT IT would raise IT would get their attention and there would be investigations, which is what happened.

Um that sounds like a craze conspiracy theory image. Just because you have previously rare diseases show all at once across from a biological weapons facility doesn't mean um so okay, the cdc investigated this. What did they find?

Well IT A A housewife in line connect. Cate Polly murray was the first one to start documenting. And SHE started pounding on the doors of local health departments in the C.

D. C. And IT really took her seven years before the cdc responded, and a doctor name, Allen steer, showed up and started from, he's C B C E I S.

Officer and started investigating IT. And he he figured out IT was tick born, but he couldn't figure out the positive agent. And at that point, the U.

S. Is number one tick. Researcher Willy berg, dpr, a swiss american tech guy who was in N I H S.

Rocking out laboratory, came out to investigate. And that's where he found, I think the public facing story is he found the spirit. ky.

Causes the bulls eye. He said, that's what's causing all the disease. And, uh, the panics should stop.

Just take two weeks of doxy slightly and the problem would go away. But I didn't. And that's where my book took out off.

I started looking at the back story and wondering what really happened. And uh, people associated with that disease were acting in the Normal way. Normally, when you discover A, A dangerous new disease, you say, oh, this is horrible, give us money, will research IT. But instead, IT just became more and more secretive.

Ves, yes.

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That's talker. F O R hills dale dot com. So what did is that your belief that really burford who I think is is gone now, but IT knew the truth about what happened and what what .

do you think is the truth? Well I worked on the the line disease documentary um with fresh eyes because I didn't know any about anything about the disease. Tell my husband I got IT.

And the thing that was unusual is the symptoms SAT on the cdc website and in the medical textbooks was totally different than what we had experience IT. Then I teamed up with the director and I, willis son, and we spent three and a half years researching the disease. And and what we found out is just an enormous epidemics.

So many people are suffering. And the treatment recommended by public health, which was two weeks of doxy cycling, wasn't caring IT. But these patients who went on to get the same symptoms over and over again were not given any more, any biotics.

And then we we wanted to understand, like what was going on with the disease. So and and I called all the see people, and I age people. They wouldn't talk to us like one of the original discovers, even hung up on me.

I said, I just want someone to go on camera and talk about how this disease, how this organism causes a disease. That to have a professor, you know, who discovered disease hanging up on me was just unusual. There was paranoia amongst the specialist.

So what we did was we went out to see Willy burg, doer, who was retired, the guy who discovered one disease at his home, and why we are setting up the cameras. Someone from the lab knocked on the doors as I need I need to sit him on this, uh, this interview. There's things which I can talk about and the director was outraged and kicked him out.

But during that interview will be intimated that there there was more to lime disease than the public health was letting on. The diseases, not just a rash, highly neurological, especially damaging for children, and two weeks of doxy cycling doesn't work, and they know I can go on to be chronic. So IT was our first hard proof that something wasn't as IT seemed on the surface with lime disease.

And so we got the film out. And and one thing, one of the aspects that we covered in the film is just conflicts of interest in medicine. Because right around the time lime disease was discovered, uh, researchers at universities, the C D C, the N I H, could share in the profits of a new test or vaccines for a disease.

So there is a lot of a well, like A C, D, C employee could match their salarian royals for a vaccine or a test kit. So IT corrupted the incentives in medicine not to share information about a new disease, said to save IT, as in electrical property, so we can be monotoned. So so many ways we got the film out.

There were rules swirling around about plum island. And its been one disease being a biological weapon. But we had enough to cover with the patient story in the conflict story. And then I was done with IT and I got a great job writing science for stamp medical school in the science department um and I was gna walk away, get on with my life but then two things happened within space of a month and I I said, I can't let the story go.

I just have to know what is really going on with this disease and one was, I met C D C M N A C I A black up sky who said in one nine hundred and sixty two, the weird thing he'd ever done in in his whole crazy apocalypse career was dropping poison tics on cuban sugar cane workers. That was Operation mangos. Uh, so that was the first evidence that we had drop ticks on, uh, foreign country as a bioweapon. And then the other thing is, one of my film, ga friends, went out to a lab dorver. And in a very long interview, he at the very end, he said, yeah, when I investigated the lime disease sickness in the late seventies, early eighties, there was another organism there IT wasn't just live that was making people sick IT was I and I was told to cover IT up IT was probably a rica CIA he didn't let release all the information but what he said was confirmed by copies of his lab books and um and subsequent interviews that I .

had with him part of my ignorance, what is the disease you describe the other one, rocca.

so so it's a very cats yet IT is a the same organism that causes recommended spotted fever, and that's the most deadly take warn disease in the united states. IT also was a germ that was being weaponized by the um the U. S. Military at the time, and they tried to stuffed in ticks.

I mean, so what is tick web aliza? So in interviews with willie, what he said was I spent over a decade in the biological weapons program, a contractor to four um working on a weapon, ising fleece ticks and mosquitoes trying to mass produce them, stuffing please with the plague, stuffing mosquitoes with deadly train dad virus to print virus, and then stuffing ticks with either dr. Incapacity associating diseases like relaxing fever, venezuela and equine and safer itis rabies, a leptospirosis, which is another spira kit.

So it's just like doctor strange love are trying to make new diseases mixing bacteria and environs. Index with the intent of this is the perfect stealth weapon, its poor, poor man's nuke. You drop these insects on an enemy IT weakens the population, yet tied up the medical resources, but doesn't destroy infrastructure like a nuclear bomb.

wood. And one report from a bean counter in the military, they said, uh, tulare ama, which is tikhon ne tolerances, also rabbit fever. We can kill ten thousand people at a dollar thirty three life so anyways, I was just, uh there was more to tick borne diseases than we realize in that I began suspecting that will IT was right given this context .

it's it's hard to adjusts all of this is just so evil um it's hard to IT could happen in the um but I I think you're you're right that I did and maybe still happening. Let me ask what you think happened in the specific case of lime. So these kinds of experiments were taking place on plum island. Is that confirmed?

Well pallin only did animal diseases. There was another branch, which is maryland fort r they did anti human a weapons. But I am not sure exactly what got out where.

Because if you draw, uh, like a five mile circle around lime connective, there's plum island there, several military bases. There are many pharmaceutical companies who are that were funded by the military to develop treatments for these diseases, and so they would have to have the diseases on site. So that's my continuing a research there.

Um and there are there are a couple, well, first of all, back up to wep ize a living system like a bug or the germs in bugs, or later on in the sixties, they separated the germs and also alike them. They would freeze, draw them pattern, zed them and and spray them on. The plan was to sprayed them on enemies from planes or boys or vehicles.

Uh, so to develop weapon like that, you have to have a someone like labor, or seeing if they can get these living systems to work and develop the lethal dosage those organisms, then you have to do pilot studies that usually happened, could to happen you know in connect or for deter and maryland and then there would be a larger studies and that would be at like doug way proving grounds in utah. So there were a lot of league points for any accidents that could have happened in the philological weapons program. So um what really said and I I think he's a really credible witness because he had the most to lose by admitting towards the end of his life that I covered up something really important now I feel guilty about IT yes.

All his fame came at fifty six when he discovered one disease. So what he said is, and he wouldn't give me the details of the organism that was the bioweapon, but he said, accidents happen. So my continuing work is to try figure out, okay, where was the lake, and in most crucially, like, why were their multiple tiktok n diseases in that very, very small spot? Also there were summer northern wisconsin.

We had a biological weapons to the anti crop area in the genetic engineering area of the bioweapons program. So um so I what I sort sort through in documents and grants and newspapers dot com are whether century dios of animals and people that are hidden there because of the biological weapons program was as secret as the manhattan program in a law of the documents were destroyed after the program was cancelled in seventy two. I have to say one of the most outrageous OpenAIr e xperiments, which I think contributed to the problem around line can edit is coastal Virginia.

A tick researcher had an army contract in a contract with the atomic energy commission and he was testing lonestar tex as a potential um weapon zed organism and the think about long started s is there from the they were from the south originally identify them in taxes below the Mason dicks online but herry was on the Mason dicks mind testing by the hundreds of thousands a non native tig and he wanted to see how hard they how far they can creep in months to years. Because if you're weaponized IT, you would want to know that information. So from Willy bergdahl in montana, he got some pregnant tits.

So they have, ah you're called gravity tics, but they have two thousand and four thousand eggs. S inside of them he would inject them with a, uh, radioactive izod pe the ticks would late hatch all their larval babies, and then he would and then would be rather active for life. So first of all, you're going to release them in nature.

Is he going to cause mutations in organisms inside? They're got? But anyway, is what he would do is you'd take a thousand tick and put a thousand per grid in a marshy field, and then he and his assistance would go out every month.

IT used a guyer counter to figure out how far the ticks had crept in that amount time, and then right studies on them, which are actually in the public domain. But this is an OpenAIr t est o n t he a tlantic b ird f ly w ay, nineteen sixty six, sixty seven, sixty eight. And sure enough, like after those tests ended, there was A A, an unusual epidemic on long island of rocket man, a spotted fever, which is spread by those kind of tics.

A lot of people died, usually on long island in the late sixties. There would be one death a year. But after this experiment, like over hundred people gravely ill, quite a few deaths, and actually that's why Willy burger came out, is to try and figure out what happened there.

So the point is, this is just one experiment we know about in the biological weapons program. And why does IT matter now? Because human hubris, we can't control nature.

And if we're going to play god and and make these new germs inside ticks and then release them, there could be blow back unintended consequences. And that's what I believe the thing that we call line disease, but which could be multiple organisms, uh, they are making people sick. But now for some reason the government said it's only this one.

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Yes yes. In the late sixties, uh early seventies there there were um a duck dius. The long island duck industry was designated which, uh yeah so uh and then also there was a epidemics of equine and safety test were really high dollar horse flash died at all the late sixties.

And then you have the human illness, which we call lime disease. But i've talked to witnesses who went to school, I mean, in my age now, they went to school, you would, you would see a line connected bus pull up, and a third of bus these elementary school kids would be Carrying catches with. Swan is great .

task. H, and so my final question is mostly rtw ical, but has the U. S. Government, which is clearly responsible for this? I think it's pretty obvious um done anything to to stop IT to help people who are suffering from IT, to offer any kind of payment to people whose lives are destroyed.

Well there there is no hard proof that this epidemic was caused by them. It's circumstantial evidence, I would say. And i'm really clear in my book to say this is what we know and this is what we don't know. But I I find their response to be really inadequate because the symptom list isn't accurate. It's been forty years and we still don't have a good test.

There are only the nh who has a pretty small budget for its gone from thirty million to fifty million a year, is has spends like sixty percent of the budget on basic research but only less than one percent on treatments. So even though the treatment recommended by the city see there's like a twenty percent failure rate, those people go on to get sick ah they're not investing anything in treatment is it's pretty similar to what's happening with long cove, but they're just obsessed with the deaths and maybe the upfront acute disease, but not the colonic, the growing number of chronic people. So I I think I worry about IT is it's OK go and well.

just IT. I was just singing. I would never have done this segment if I hadn't seen IT myself. And so somebody, he's done a pretty good job of discarding sufferings of whatever this is as crazy and suggesting these are psychosomatic symptoms. And I always speak for myself. I would bought that if I hadn't known people personally very well who are not crazy at all or depressed you know um fragile ef and who were designated by IT to where did that where did that piece of prop again to come from? Do you know?

I think it's the same dynamic that we see with trying to discard IT the lab lac theory ah I mean, there's a small group of people that were read in to these this biological weapons program.

I know that reading the emails in N I H when my book came out like before they read the book, they discredit IT because they haven't read the facts in IT was so secretive so there's a small group of of people controlling information ah and the the boots on the ground physicians now have been trained the whole fifteen minutes of medical school that they learned about tik more diseases, that one disease is over diagnosed. It's easy to care and they don't know this a very elaborate, complicated back story. So I mean, that's what the book cover will do, is read them that they need to treat tick born diseases are seriously, they're not minor, their life changing. And it's going to be a drag on our economy to have this, this many, this many a one covered chronic for in live disease patients unable to work, they have invested in treatments.

So for people who are interest learning more, can you restate the title of your book, if you would?

It's bitten the secret history of lime disease in biological weapons and I said didn't prove that lime disease is a biological weapons, but i'm saying something unusual, which I think is related to the biological weapons programme. Had that happen in late sixties and the government wants to cover IT up and IT matters, because how you treat an unnatural disease is different than a natural disease where people develop immunity for an unusual disease. You need a more well thought out, intelligent?

Well, sure. I mean, it's not like kora. You know we've been dealing with for millennia.

I sure appreciate you're coming on. Thank you. fascinating. And and thanks for all the responsible research you've done into this. I appreciate IT.

Yeah yeah. Thanks very much for talking to me.

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