Russell Brand
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Back in september, media lets around the world, almost all of them here in the west, in the english speaking world, rain headlines that shocked a lot of readers. And he was Russell brand, the movie star, the comedian. Now, the pod dash was a sex criminal, a bad man, a sex criminal.

Now, none of the outlets ran the names of the accusers who had been sexually abused by also brand that was conspicious sly, absent. But the judgment was overwhelming. This is a very bad man, and he needs to be taken out of public view for the sake of the rest of us.

What was interesting about this is that, in fact, IT was the final scene in a long movie that had been playing out for the proceedings couple of years outside of public view. This was an attempt to make Russell brand shut up. Russia brand has views IT diverge from those of most western governments and big issues, not small things, big issues, questions of economic policy in Warren peace.

And they decided we have to make this man be quite why Russell brand well, because in contrast to a lot of us who give our opinions for a living, russia brain had the capacity to win people over from the other side. He hadn't spent a life identified with the far right. Just the opposite.

Ross gram was a man of the left, and to most people, a cultural figure. Everyone knows who Russell brand is, and so he had the power, the capacity to persuade, and that was the threat. So we thought to be interesting to go through in some detail what happened to russia brand.

None of this has ever been air before the censorship campaign against him began with governments, not private organizations, but governments, their intel services in their policymakers. And as we said, IT played out outside public view. And we thought I would be very interesting and important for people to know what exactly happened. And so to find out we are now joined by russia brand himself, and we're grateful to be russian brand.

Thank you so much for thanks for me here.

So um I didn't know anything. I don't know any of this and I was I experienced you because I didn't know you as a viewer and remember thinking, boy, that is one of the most articulate critics of the brand new war ukraine and I had ever seen I saw one of your videos on the war ukraine and this was in the winter of twenty twenty two two years ago um and you are making kind of a remarkable case, start against ukrainian people and started not in favor of russia but that there might be real implications for the west if we get involved in a war that is not our own and you, I thought, said, it's so well what I missed and i'm now seeing is that in march of twenty twenty two, you were denounced by an organization connected directly to the U. S.

Government as an agent of chinese propaganda for your views on ukraine. So let me just ask you your experience of this. Did you know that you were being attacked as a chinese propaganda story.

reviews on ukrainy? I actually didn't, and still, at this point, struggle, see entirely what the connections are between those two issues. And I would develop a cult, cultivate a strongly finance with china.

I've never been to china. I don't propose to understand china, so I don't advocate for chinese policy of Christo relatively superficial deal knowledge of geopolitical matters in the south asian cities. Not something that like time I color to the mass for or be willing to be publicly shamed, detect and even jailed for .

so um IT happens though yeah and a lot happens on the earth that we miss. But these in my reading of IT is in that. And we haven't, by the way, talk to about the fair.

But my reading of IT is these were the early seeds of a very deceptive plant that flowers more than a year later in september when you were accused of these crimes um and demonetized and sensor as a result of that. But looking back, so you were um accused by a group called code story. You published a story on its anti disinformation newsletter.

Now code story is connected to the U. K. Government, but it's also connected to the C. I, A.

Um how does that .

make you feel to know that you were in the cross hairs of to the most powerful governments in the world and their .

intelligencies IT seems to be ridiculous ly grandiose even imagine that I would stir and arouse the interests of such powerful agencies and groups that the british government, if indirectly, would spend considerable sums on. Observing and the amplifying content, the true information shared through our platforms in the period of the pandemic was censored, was cited as high risk.

The companies like maDonna has spent considerable revenue tracking out content. And again, the amplifying IT that dame Caroline dinner, whose husband is a simple expert that worked abroad in terrorism before deploying those methods and techniques, and to some degree, those teams to observe what they call this information of misinformation in the U. K. I recognize that the new emergent media spaces present a lot of possibilities, even with your kind compliments about our report in on the ukraine, or we ve essentially listening to brilliant academics talking about the history of nato and the cow in twenty fifteen in ukraine, and putins of explicit IT declaration that he would prefer that, put IT mildly, that ukraine were not invited into nato.

The some of the regional disputes, how their escalating tension, this is information that because of independent media is available, and perhaps the function that we, our media organization have fulfilled is been to create that information and convey IT directly in an accessible manner to give people turn if perspective than to the homogeneity zed mainstream opinion, which amounts to, i've learned over the last few years, the amplification and Normalization of the agenda of the powerful that no opinions can be allowed into that space. And i'm astonished by how jealously is guarded. There are points in my life when my personal self, for god, would have loved, the idea that I would be considered important enough to attack on this scale, to spend this amount of revenue and resources on.

But i'm now seeing the independent media itself is an extraordinary threat. The independent media inevitably leaves the independent politics and independent. And we appear to be at some precipitous, ous moment of radical transition.

I'm not sure. I'm not sure if anybody could be sure of where this is all heading, what the exact teleology is. But IT seems to be to do with mass centralization, globalization, significant attempts to control the information space that are so rigorously adhere to unprotected.

But even what you might imagine to be a marginal voice is considered a significant enough threat to warrant coordinated media attacks. Expenditure on peculiar clandestine non government organizations and think tanks would take their money from the military industrial complex, from the legacy media, who, by the way, when they are critical, an independent media, they got skin in the game. They are able to independently assess your work, or my work, or the medical opinions of joe rogan.

They have a vested interest destroying those organizations. In the last few years, i've learned about the trusted news initiative, which has extraordinary connections, again, to big farmer, and sets of interest around the reporting on war that have decided and determined that they are no longer compete with one another. You in particular, come from a journalistic background where IT have been commonplace for the great institutions of american media to compete with one another scooped new york times.

Those days are gone. He explicit states on the trusted news initiative website. We are no longer in competition with one another. We have to cotai and stand up. I think he even uses what choke independent media. And it's clear that there are now sets of globalist organizations funded by government, but also CoOperations, that are making deliberate, profound attempts to shut down any descent in an astonishingly aggressive way and to be sort of call up in IT is a terrifying, on one level, absolutely terrifying. Particularly due to the nature of allegations I failed, but also revealing more importantly, it's revealing about the way the way that I believe the world, and in particularly this space will be affected in the way these events will continue to unfold in the coming years.

What I love your critique is that you're coming to all of this pretty cold since you had a middle career change. You you're doing something very different from what you did fifteen years ago. And i'm wondering if your assumptions haven't been completely blown up. Your your british citizen live in the country, your life, how strangers IT to know that your tax dollars are being used against you by your government, which they are, and how bewildering s is IT to find that the open contest of ideas that we were promised here in the west made the best idea win is a shame.

Yes, it's well, I suppose I went into the entertainment industry really with the gd trajectory that propels a lot of people into those spaces. Believe in that there might be some fulfillment and certainly there would be excitement. And when I was a denison of that world, I was hosted and adored and celebrated and facilitators and leave the kind of lifestyle which I think is kind of common for people in the area, for single people, in my case, drug and alcohol free, but certainly with an appetite for promiscuous lifestyle.

When I was paw of IT, I found IT empty and unfulfilling, of course, as IT would be, as anyone who has had those kind of experiences ultimately realizes when I depart IT as a result, really a vous spiritual crisis or commercial failures, or a combination of those events, I really felt like a coming home to the type of values that I grew up with. I grew up in a Normal blue color town grades, kind of like a place. It's like new jersey, I guess, kind of suburban outside of the city.

Normal people, good values, kind of place. And what I feel like happened is, like, since i've had a family, since, you know, i've got a Young son, i've got a couple of daughters, if I fall like that, I was able to deploy the skills learned from working in a payment as a man, in recovery, in a new space. And what simply began with myself, from my partners, tell the truth about things you care about kind of over time.

IT began to, as a gin Green mode ever that he goes. No, you shouldn't be surprised that if you attacked the most powerful interest in the world, the deep stay, powerful corporations, the machines of war, that you so for the recipient of attacks, why is that? Why is that? Surprising to, I know, but because sometimes IT just feels speculative, doesn't eat.

You're talking about these really powerful organizations in the way that is funded, in the way that IT cross this over and their and underhanded in syria's activity. And then as he starts to become more popular, as more and more people realized that it's actually true, as more and more people become willing to take back control in their own lives, as more and more people refuse to. To being treated in this sort of infantile way, having their autonomy and personal mental and spiritual freedom undermind they're nexon their land, undermine their connection to nature, avoided if you start to realize that you're actually Operate and in quite a powerful territory, that wild power is very serious.

And IT has to work very hard to maintain its grip. So these organizations, he is so much, did IT surprised me to find the tack. The british government, through the department of culture and media, the very person, the very people that sponsored the new, rather dickon's online safety bill, personally contacted the height of these allegations and the tax on me that contacted social media platforms and asked if I would be demonize.

But there are the body that regulates them. They have the ability to find the organza. The very person is sponsoring the online es.

and I understand what are saying. So these accusations appeared. There were, I don't know this has changed, but at the time, there were no names to attached. All you accused anonymous ly of committing crimes, and then your own government would you pay for? Yes, reached out without telling you to online service providers and media organizations and said, please kick him off and sensor him and take his money away that is that which say, before any kind of trial, before any proof that you were guilty, before any names or attach that happened yeah.

And it's the same people that are sponsoring online safety bills, which amount to facilitating further centage.

What a betrayal by your own government.

Well, IT is astonishing if you regard your government to be in a position of service rather than as a position of domination and control. But what's become apparent in recent years is what the nature of our relationship with government is, that they are there to rule and control and dominate.

And once they may now do IT with an aesthetic of care and with the language of inclusive ity, I believe the threat of authority m is far, far greater, those that use the language of liberalism that these emerging, somewhat nationalistic, cally oriented populist movements present, because they are leveraging that power. Now they're interested in censorship, their militarizing, the police force them introducing protest laws and censorship laws through their actions. We can observe them through their fruits. Can we know that we can see what they are? And if you try to dissent, if you try to oppose, even what I consider to be a relatively marginal scale than the consequences of severe and a media and robust and terrifying.

And I think what makes your specific case so compelling is that if they could do IT to you, a person with the admiration of all people are interested in politics. And I was pretty famous and had some means at seta, then the average person stands no chance against these forces. So with that, let if you don't mind, we get specific about a couple of that you mention. Um the first is major na, which is a drug company is part of big farma. Tell us how you intersected with pharma and you with maDonna and what you think they did to you .

during the pandemic period. We reported continually about some of their clinical trials that moderna conducted and whether or not they ought be deemed sufficiently rigorous to warrant the level of measures that will be in implement IT, if not entirely mind.

We talked about a government official, could jonathon van time, who was the public face of the government, saying, you know, we should be taking vaccines, recommending that the measures escalate. Join from van time subsequently took a position at moderna. We reported on that people within the fda took position in a.

We reported on that. We accurately reported that both fida were making a thousand dollars like a second or a minute. Just like we report IT a lot, we report IT accurately and thoroughly about the degree to which big farmer were profit in from a situation in which Albert boller, he said IT would be inhumane to profit from this global crisis.

This meant that we were tracked by agencies employed by moderna. They had, like, cast on a high risk categories. This is the reporting of lee fank from on his subject, not just me, jay bacteria, Michael, I experience in a number of what you might call anti pandemic measures.

Voices or strong critics of the way of the pandemic unfolded under observation by agencies that were ever funded by big farmer, sometimes the government. And in a sense, why was to realized talker? Is this cartilage between the state and the corporate world is often provided by these unusual organizations.

The are claiming to be observing this information or monitoring, but they're actually crushing the scent. That's what they're doing. In practice, dissenting voices are being aggressively crushed by almost any means necessary. The media organizations are collaborated in, uh, weather is unprecedented in order to shut down dissenting voices. And IT IT appears to me that this is part of something I don't know that we've seen anything like this before.

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merchants payments coalition not authorized by any canada or canada committee, W W W merchants payments coalition dot com. So what you're saying is that these organizations which proposed to be independent are not actually independent from government. They merely give government the politicians and the intelligent cy is especially some some plausible deniability, some distance yeah what they're doing is that what you're saying.

saying that talk that seems to be the function. There's a group called logically and logically received millions of pounds of export your money. And what they do is observe dissenting voices around, in particular, covered and pandemic measures. But they are now working in the united states, apparently, in order to regard misinformation around election campaigning. IT seems that that that this group receive government money in order to control online spaces.

So if you're worried about the security of electronic voting machines or absence he ballots, yeah were denounced by these people and yeah censored by them.

That's that's precisely how IT works. And of course, they employ former F, B, I, A agent, C, I, A agent. In a way, I oppose what happened during the pandemic period because of like the twitter files, for example, we started to learn the degree to which the deep state were involved in the in social media companies, the degree to which they were censoring and shutting down information, information that we now know to be true, which I was, of course, we be where that maxx said we did.

Since a true information, the category, in fact, of male information is, information is true, but but harmful to the agenda of powerful. But IT seems like groups like logically and the public good project are specifically empowered to control. Since A D amplify information that is harmful to the agenda.

this seems to tell italian and control .

what people .

allowed to think is I think that's the definition .

of IT love that I suppose that's what, in essence, what i've started to feel and report on consistently, as you noted at the beginning of this and not someone who's affiliated organically with conservatives or what you might regard as righting politics, although, of course, recognized the legitimacy of a whole variety of political views and the right of people to hold a different views from one another.

But IT seems to me that authority, an ism, now is being deliberately veiled in a the insidious language of care concerns, safety and convenience. IT seems to me that we are in a time where we lurch from one crisis to another, that the crisis is always used to legitimize certain solutions and a docile or terrified public is willing to participate in this proposed solutions that usually involve giving up their freedom. We are continue being invited to give up our freedom in exchange for safety or convenience.

And IT seems that this process is radically escalating. And I feel that this is something that we will see yet more of in the coming year. I feel like, if you ve spoken publicly about this, that we're potentially on the precipice of series and to usual term T A hot war with russia and that that's being reported on in my country right now, like we're being prd roomed prime for war is coming, that we being kept in a state of constant anxiety in order to induce compliance.

That the ongoing stoking of cultural attention is to ensure that people don't begin to recognize that actually, we have far more in common with one another than we do with these curious sets of establishment interest that seem to be sending of national democracy. Just to be explicit, i'm talking about organza like the W H O, nato, the W A. And they're astonishing influence. Added to that, the types of groups with disgust already that have been exposed due to lee fans reporting these think talks, and apparently independent organizations who are not independent, when you look at where I get their money, big farmer, or the government, or the military industrial complex, or the kind of people they employ, people from deep, the agency, such C, F, B, I N, C, I, A, have extraordinary affinity with the legacy media and there ongoing agenda. So what I suppose I am sending is the totality ism now will not bear the inflection, or are esthetics of the twenty of century military m guys in medals with my stashes, dumping their fist on the desk, we will be calmly told, what with by gentle man with beautiful covered hair or elegant speaking ladies, that just for our safety and just for our convenience, we will be returning to our homes. And anyone that has an audience or a base or an ability to communicate with people to disrupt those types of narratives will be identified and destroyed.

Well, they're certainly they're identified you, and they're trying to destroy you in the most obvious way, in a way that hurts, not as you but your family. Was there ever a moment when this happens, september orally? I thought, you know, it's just kind of not worth IT to be doing what i'm doing. This is so painful and so threatening to my family that maybe I just bow out to stop talking.

My son was born with a heart condition, and while this was happening, he was undergoing heart surgery. He, he was two, eight weeks old. And I suppose what that did taker is a revealed that that what we were experiences with a public, I am aware that I put myself in an extremely vulnerable position by being very, very promiscuous.

That is not the kind of conduct that I endres. And it's certainly how I would live now that i've been shown a good many things as a result of these events, the value of my family, the value of friendship, the value of being able to speak publicly. I mentioned my son because throughout IT, I saw I was able to maintain what is really important in life.

And as you have actually said, we all know how this ends. Attacks like this, a crisis like this. Hopeful that IT is to be accused of what I considered to be the most appalling crimes to be accused of.

This is very, very painful and very hurtful. But I am being shown that there is a, there are consequences for the rather foolish way that I lived in the past. Although, of course, again, to reiterate you to the nature of the world we live in, of course, I deny, deny any allegations of the kind that have been advanced.

But what i've seen is the significance of family, the importance of having values, a transcendant of this, the importance of god. IT is very easy to talk about god. I talk about god all the time, but when you need god is when the outside world shows you the, the, the reality of your powerlessness.

This is, this can just happen. This can be and done. This can be on spot at you with our boy, and to be in environment, as you understandably and obviously are when you have a sick child during environments with other people there in the exact same position, yes. And you are shown what is real, and you are shown what is, and you invite to look at life very differently.

So there are many things that I am grateful for as a matter fact, even though it's not a situation that I welcome and is, as I say, these allegations that I object to in the strongest possible terms, the fact that that happened on currently, while I had the opportunity to see the strength and dignity of my wife and the beauty of my little son and the reality of the people that in this world, the care for seek children that perform heart surgery on tiny babies shows me that they are. Look at all of these realities. How can you live in the ridiculousness? Ss, of their version of events? I couldn't have been more open and public about the way that I lived when I was Younger.

I was rescue as if anyone want to have six with me, i'd have six with them. I publicly announced IT at the begin of all shows. The idea that that was a some sort of a smokescreen for criminal conduct is absurd. But I recognize now that unless you are willing to be a participant in these systems of compliance and distraction, then you pose some kind of evident threat, a big threat.

yeah. I mean, obviously the response proves the power of the threat that you post and still do. But again, just to quickly back to my question, because this was so intense and had happened as your son was born in under undergoing the surgery, did you ever accrued your mind like this?

I clearly hit the third rail and i'm out. I've seen that happen a number of time. You, yes, I have, and yes, with well on people.

And but you didn't do that. And here you are equally thought about IT, and you've decided that you're going to continue forward. Was that a hard decision?

Do something. Think that there is no choice. You have no choice. Did you never really have?

Yes, I do feel that way strongly.

There is no choice. We have no choice. Something strange is happening, something alteration is moving, something very important is happening.

I don't, i'm not problem to be a person that like self interest. I'm not like, I feel fear, feel anxious, am a recovering drug addict. I like, you know, you know what? That kind of psychological baggage that comes with.

But I feel like, what is the purpose here? What are we doing here? I've been shown to get in the way of the pretty amazing life.

I grew up in a Normal background. I got super famous. I experiences to all of that giddiness. All of that had ism found IT empty and hollow and have been returned n to a position where people could actually be connected. I actually incredibly optimistic because of things like the ongoing agricultural protests around the world, the truck of protest, the the length that people will go to, to criminalize, not just an individual like me, but how movements will be criminalized, as far right as nothing is, right as whatever language is required to delegitimize the rejection of this global authoritarians, m is what will be deployed. So when I say no, I didn't think for a second about doing anything different.

You know I don't think that I don't think like that and it's not a uh, out of bravery is out of is something beyond that because I think you know something I would like to just be my laugh and my wife and my son and just live peacefully. But I don't know, taker. IT doesn't seem like there's a choice. There isn't a choice.

There isn't a choice. But you know even on those circumstances, some choose to. And again, i've certainly seen a bit a dinner. You mentioned a person called dyna. Can you explain a, what you mean by that, who this person is, and what role SHE plays in what has happened to you? We become accustomed .

to dealing with american politics is huge sums of money, powerful agencies that you see depicted in hollywood movies, characters played by great movie stars. And so when you return your gaze to british politics, you feel like you dealing with some sort of jury. So like some like luda ous heritage porn, who are all these dames and baronies entitled individuals, they can't be doing anything serious.

Someone called dying Caroline dinner who sounds like a down an abbey regular, but actually though dying Caroline dinnah put forward the online safety bill, she's married to a do the military side ops and now uses as very in in with the domestic population. SHE is the person that got in touch with the social media platforms demanding that I be demonetized. They seem to have an extraordinary agenda.

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But can I ask you some? Yes, I looked up because i'm not a million with your politics and I should be up. And I think what I was so struck by was that she's a member of the conservative party, right? And that suggested to me that there isn't a choice in british politics. Usually just one .

party is absolutely it's a new .

you're not even pretending .

at this point. They are not really providing here's an thing appears to be playing out in addition to just being casually informed by the legacy media that we are on the press. Piece of war with russia and the conscription might be reintroduced in twenty twenty four.

But there was a part, there was a covet inquiry in our country, which, by the way, I didn't imagine for a second, would have happened without independent media reporting, without voices like jay batch, aria, who was shot down, all voices like Michael sheen, g or barrison, people that have been shut down and vilified at large and extensively. The coveted inquiries already cost hundred and forty five million pounds, is being boot IT off and delayed indefinitely, but at least until after the general election. Like many countries, there's an election in our country this year, but as usual, is between two neoliberal, what you might turn centuries, parties that are ultimately dominated in, controlled by the same concern where an extraordinary focus is spent on the tiny menu difference.

But is the party nominally of the left is ultimately as central, is near liberal. The party, ominous. Of the right is a new liberal socialist party.

They may quibble about some issues that seem significant, and certainly those issues are still and, but neither party would say we are going to have a thora investigation into what went on in that pandemic. That clearly was a labor c IT looks like IT was a bio weapon is being concealed. The people that we entrusted with our response to that pendel c are likely explicit linked to the leak in in the first instance.

These kind of the stories are never told. They are know the legacy media organizations that worked in conjunction with one another to attack me, evidently in by their own reckoning, over a series of years, they are not conducting investigations into F, T. island. They not conducting investigations into the nature of the pandemic, how IT was funded, where the money won't, where IT came from, the africa y of logging s.

Where are these investigations? Even that the fable times of london, the .

london such .

garbage. So there's nobody in part by igor, i'm peering in from the outside. But there there really isn't any big media organization in your country.

It's even trying to answer the question, what was that? Where this virus come from? No one's doing that.

Do you know what the things that I find terrifying about becoming more educated about this space tuko, mostly by listening to, uh, more educated voices than my own, is that many of the things a person might instinctively feel, such as you feel, you know, to forgive me. great. I don't know much about bridge politics the way that one might intro IT.

Hey, should we not be provoking rush into a war though they have nuclear weapons? Should we think very carefully about that? I mean, how much do we want ukraine in o and do you even need? No, anyway, the kind of things you might think if you didn't go to university, a regular blue color person working for a living, maybe in the policy ce of the fire service, or as a nurse or as a teacher, something that gives real value to, and the kind of things you might think they're true.

Those ideas are true, and in order to prevent you from reaching those ordinary, everyday regulations, a machine is puts a constant work to conquer the space of your attention incessantly and relentlessly, filling your mind with dumb ideas and dumb distractions, making you believe that a some sugar or screen might be a convenient pilot tive as your children are marked off into an unwinnable forever war. You know like like, you know like that I saw we've been thinking lately before you like with the hoo fees and stuff like and like I am being deliberately glib because like you go from not ever having heard the world hotham to be invited to hate the free, the hole fees. We all hate the hoofs now.

And you're like to just to move a bowl into that region. Think of the tax pia dollars. And it's not as if the pena gonna na be passed in an order IT any time soon and telling you where this money is actually going. And two trillion dollars were spent on afghanistan. And if you think of the before and after picture of the, oh well, thank god we ve meant that two trillion dollars, because before afghanistan was and now afghanistan is, it's very difficult to fill in those sentences, isn't there? And like it's like one saying is is like your sort of easy dismissiveness of what british politics amounts to is probably right to corrupt part, is pursuing the same oma and people tyrannize keep people distracted, keep them turned on one another over minor issues that will not ultimately affect their lives of the lives of their children, so that the agenda of the power can be pursued without opposition .

or the economy. Public health, food supply, see a water supply. I mean, these the energy, these are the things that matter, and there are the things that are, are never discuss openly, never.

Why can't we have conversations about that with the the global farming protest is not accurately report IT on when IT is IT report IT on with a particular accent and with the always with the insinuation that farmers have suddenly moved their attention from the raising of crops to racism. Now the farmers move a hobby. I got returned my true love that's having strong views about varying ethnic.

This is a question that I rise in um nationalism is an understandable response to rampant global ism, but the ongoing of finger point in a condemnation of the ordinary people I identify. We ever recognized IT because I grew up in those communities. Professional metropolitan people don't like working class people don't like ordinary people.

And now they found a way to legitimize their hatred, are they're all disgusting. They are all racist. Look at them in their mega hat.

Look at them with their White vans and their flags. Look at them with their perspectives, with their honed views and their belches. And their beer is a kind of legitimizing of a low thing of the people that are most connected, the nation.

People that, generally speaking, a couple of generations ago, asked to sacrifice the lives of their sons and dog for for the idea of nation and idea that they're now being told doesn't exist. For me, what we need to see is in the emergence of a different type of populism that transcend the boundaries of left and right, these things are happening organically, naturally, anyway. And what I think he's happening is, perhaps is all this is because the internet is ultimately accurate of the military.

Clearly, they didn't accurately understand that while he was going to be a brilliant means for control, and clearly that's one of the wars as being, for now, is also a tool for informing and awakening. And that I think that we are at this cross point, which way is gonna go? Are people going to wake up to the reality that we are being confronted with, or we're going to sort of nervously clean on to the idea that somehow, through comfort and panache, we might hold on to some old life.

Increasing, I think, is over. I watch some of that speech you did in oh, wa, or wherever you were in edmonton, in canada. And two of the things I thought important is knowing that you are not god, you are not god, you are its not about you.

You have to have some purpose in your life. And secondly, people must relearn a connection to their land. Our connection to our land has been broken. now. Many countries are partially, in a post colony world, have complex relationships with their land.

Sometimes that is over a relationship with the land that had inhabitants prior to the our arrival, or the arrival, at least, of settlers in your country, for example, all in canada that you are describing, outlining. But we are divorced from nature. We are divorced from our lands.

We are divorced from one another. And and we are fared such an empty, hollow, rapid, fac diet of lies. And I like you said at one point, you should, you know, this is this vast country. You could all have six, eight years old. I felt like, are the crowd responding to that? People are frightened of the people of britain, all the people of the america, or the people of canada, australia, or the people all over the world, for surely those farmer products are happening in the lana, that happening in india, they not just in in europe and the countries that happening everywhere, they happen everywhere. And I feel that what that precisely the direction we need to return to sovereignty of the individual sovereignty and sanctity of the connection between people on their land, maximum amount of power in your own life and the life of your community and in your loved one, not this pretty ansip of power to increasingly centralized forces and this will uh infantilizing and neutralization and castration of individual and familiar power.

Can I ask your question that you may be able to answer that I meditating.

i'll give IT to go talk.

I'll tell that you're just uniquely positioned because you've seen both sides but um so the things that the people in .

charge hate include nature yes .

and the class of people who are most useful to your nation you describe them cops, fireman, teachers, nurses, all of them are crying covered by the way yeah and farmers and it's indisputable that if you don't have those people, you don't have a society, you can get rid of everything tank and every sociology department in every liberal university, probably OK your farmers. You started to death. So it's not obvious why the leadership of the country would hate the very people they need most and hate the most beautiful and valuable thing they have, which is nature. Why do they hate those things?

IT terrifies me to contemplate tucher that people like alex Jones and in our country, David eke, who aside from some views that are impossible to CoOperate around, quite a cultist. And so we call marginal ideas difficult to CoOperate. Yeah, ideas when IT comes to the subject of globalization and the increasing authorization of our planet appear to have been ahead of the curve.

You can see them twenty thirty years ago saying, with the empowers of night to the empowerment of world banks and the W. H. O. Like this is extraordinary. And IT seems to me that the disempowerment of ordinary people, the condemnation, the demoralize of the public, to create people that just a weary and broken, and is, if not enslaved, then so dependent IT amounts to a form of slavery, cannot be in advert.

IT seems to be a denial of something fundamental that I, in my language, I would call spirit the they're right to be who you are, that there isn't something fundamentally ugly or wrong with you that you are allowed to be who you are. And I see that as a universe principle that will be applied all the way from the left to the right across various ways that people claim their individual identity. Now IT seems to me that, yes, that if you start to attack those pivotal infrastructure roles, I was struck when speaking some the people that you work with, man, that you know um that's been a cop for twenty six years in new jersey, forty five years in the security first services like these people that give their lives for a country.

So to tell those people that your country doesn't mean anything or to all to the meaning of what a nation is or all to what your contribution is, IT seems to be about a kind of disorientation. And it's difficile actually sometimes because I mentioned at the beginning of this rather corrodi out figures that are broadly condemned this conspiracy theory that then, aren't we all these days he's in that there is, I mention them, is what they talk specifically about ideas to do with spirituality, morality and ethics. And IT is hard for someone like me to consider that the goals of this global establishment are anything other than power finance. the. But when you talk about this low thing of nature, whether that's human nature or bottle y or the great expense, is difficult to think that there isn't something dog, yes, that is cool.

because there's no rational explanation for that. How could you want to despoil nature? How could you hate human nature?

How could you want to hurt people there? Those are not rational responses to anything. I mean, there's got a bit, I mean, clearly, what we're watching are the fruits of spiritual war. If you need to give a Better explanation.

let me know certain. Ly, the solution seems to me to be spiritual, and even when they're talking about ecology and words like guy, like the spirit of the planet, IT seems oddly utilitarian. The earth is a resource, even when claiming to care about the types of energy industry that might be most beneficial and those which might not as beneficial.

I don't see reference, I don't see an acknowledgement ment of the say ness of the earth. The earth is not a resource. It's not, you know, obviously, the left and right are classically almost at this point, divided around the subject of climate change.

And what I feel is who, who among us or not love our planet and behave respectfully and reverently and lovingly to our planet. And how is that going to happen if that has a relationship with IT? Think, like ninety percent of in my country, ninety percent of the land is inaccessible to most people, not intent.

The land is privately owned. Like land that used to be commonly held is now, or privately owned. There has been successive law, after a successive law, that has moved power and control in the land and nature herself into the hands of an elite. And is this, I suppose, even where he would have been reasonable?

You're going back to the.

let's get back to good, healthy.

And what was wrong with udal ism? Why would we make is such us about IT? It's like the idea that you and I are people that Operate a on different sides of a political spectrum, becomes exposed as ridiculous when the anti authoritarian aspect of what we both clearly believe in has to become the clear and pivotal point around which all political views have to now start a you are either going to oppose what's happening when IT comes to globalization and centralize authority ism. Or you are going to be crushed by individually .

and collectively how do you see, and I outstep of this um compound question, how is how are your family and friends holding up in the face of the assault on you, Andrew family? And how do you see this playing out the battle that you just described? Are you hopeful now?

You know, like because I ve been subject to persons attacks is very one thing. Like I have a program of recovery. I've been in recovery for twenty one years, in a sense, is what enshrines and helps me practice.

My i've god is the most important thing to mean. The thing I have to most be observant of and have to keenly avoid is is to send into self endless. When you, when I am very frightened, it's very easy way to drift into becoming quite my pic. An incident why i've observed, like in this period from a personal perspective, is that like, an incredibly fortunate got amazing wife, got amazing beautiful children are healthy and doing well.

I've got incredible people I work with, like, oh my god and another thing has been amazing is like for a month, publicly, continually, or like called the worst names you can call a man and then I got in public of people like, rush, hey, we support you. We support you. And like, like one time I was, and let's so IT by watch just been publicly said about me, IT would be the parents of teenage kids.

And like, people aren't people buying, and people aren't buying IT. That's the problem. People awake in up.

People something. Well, jesus is, they gonna a Better example than the your former and perhaps future president. The more they hate him, the more people like him. So more people like him, because what they know is they don't trust the establishment anymore. They cannot trust the establishment anymore.

I was speaking from the perspective, look, this isn't the first time after the personal crisis and a drug getting recovery and a productive, a single parent family come from a Normal person from from a mal background. But what I would say is the innocence of crisis becomes an invitation, a catastrophe. He is an invitation.

And IT seems like whether you're on the left or right, everyone believes catastrophe he is coming. And IT will be an invitation. IT will be an invitation if what we are being offered is a slow grind into endless war and more, more authoritarian m, and more, more control of our personal lives and ababa to worship power will ability to a filicia.

Our ability to pray, if what's being with what we've invited to accept, the colonization of the self, of our ability to think freely than what we got to lose when they're offering us, is more war, endless pandemics that are being legislatively enshrined, even now through the W. H. O.

treaty. What we actually got to lose, I think, in a sense, for in the props they are, you know, if there is one god, one more powerful god, then surely that god is at work now. And surely that god is creating the perfect conditions for our mutual awakening.

And perhaps watch required is the the ignition of something so unbearable that people will awaken rather than endure in rather than endure in any further. And perhaps that's what we're being offered. now.

Yes, of course, IT seems like we're on the precipitation of catastrophe, he geopolitically and from various potential health pandemics. But also IT seems to me like a potential offering to awakened. And I don't think we have any choice other than to see you that way.

So brand, you have not been broken. You are at your very best, very good, really appreciate.

Thank you. Thank you.