Vladimir Putin
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The following is an interview with the president of russia, vlada mir. Putin shot february six, twenty twenty four, about seven pm in the building behind us, which is the first the the interview, as you will see if you watch IT, is primarily about the Warren progress, the war, ukraine, how IT started, what's happening and most president, how IT might be one note before you watch.

At the beginning the interview, we asked the most obvious question, which is, why did you do this? Did you feel a threat and imminent physical threat? And that's your justification.

And the answer we got shocked us, put in one on for a very long time, probably half an hour, about the history of russia going back to the a century. And honestly, we thought this was a filibustering technique and founded, annoying, and erupted him several times and he responded he was annoying yed, uh, by the interaction. But we concluded in the end, for what it's worth, that IT was not a filibustering technique.

There was no timely. But on the interview, we ended IT after more than two hours. Instead, what you're about to see seem to us sincere.

What do you agree with that or not? Flame, putin believes that russia has a historic claim to parts of western ukraine. So our opinion would be to view IT in that light as a sincere expression of all things.

And with that here, IT, is this president. Thank you. On february twenty second, twenty twenty two, you addressed your country in a nationwide address when the conflict in ukraine started.

And you said that you were acting because you had come to the conclusion that the united states, through nato, might initiate a, quote, surprise attack on our country into american years. That sounds paranoid. Tell us why you believe the united states might strike russia out of the blue. How did.

You conclude that then do if .

it's not that america, the united states, that was going to launch a surprise strike in russia didn't. Are we having a talk show or a serious conversation?

Here's the quote. Thank you.

It's a formative series, but because your .

basic education is in history, as far as I understand.

yes.

but so if you done, mind, I will take only thirty seconds or one minute to give you a short reference to history for .

giving you a little historical background.

Please let's look where our relationship with ukraine started. Where did ukraine come from?

Direction state started .

gathering itself as a centralize statehood ooks and .

IT is considered .

to be the year of establishment of the russian state in eight .

hundred sixty two when .

the downs people of the world invited of iranian prince ruric from scandal its .

a rain in one hundred and sixty two russia .

celebrated the one thousand university of its statehood .

so and in no a there is .

a memorial dedicated to the one thousand anniversary of the country in eight hundred forty two rural ics successor prince oleg, who was actually playing the role of region at rich Young.

The food, because uri had died .

by that time.

came to key, sure of key, starting out. He else, the two .

brothers who apparently .

had music.

once been members of rich squad.

So russia began to develop .

two centers of power nove girl.

and that was right.

The next very significant date into history of russia was nine hundred eighty eight. This was the baba's sm of russia when brings vladimir, the great grandson of ruric, baptized russia and adapted orto doxy.

or eastern crucian ity.

From this time, the centralized russian state began to strength. Then why? Because of the single territory, integrated economic size, one in the same language, and after the bat, russia, the same faith and rule of the prince, the centralized russian state began to take shape back in the middle ages, brings yar's love, the wise, introduce the order of succession .

to a trone, but after he .

passed away, he became complicated for various reasons.

but the 不是 the drone .

was passed， not directly from father to l. The son, but from the prince who had passed away to his brother, to his sons in different lines, all this LED to the fragmentation and the end of rules as a single state.

There was nothing .

special about IT. The same was happening .

then in europe. No, and is still a look at the witch.

But the fragmented russian state became an easy prey to the empire created earlier by kinges hatton.

His successors.

namely buto hn, came to roose plunger than ruined nearly all the cities. The southern part, including key of, by the way, and some other cities simply lost independence well. And cities preserved some of their seventy.

They had to pay tribute .

to the hord, but they manage to preserve some .

part of their salary.

And then a unified russian state beginning to take shape with this center in .

moscow and the southern .

part of russian lanes, including key of.

began to gradually .

gravitate towards another magnet, the center that was emerging in europe.

You there is little city.

This was the grand duc of toenne. IT was even called the lizana an russian dutch, because russians were a significant part of this population. They spoke the old .

russian language. And 5。 But then there .

was a unification, the union of the grand duty of litera and .

the kingdom of bulent.

A few years later, another was .

sign at this time.

already in the .

religious sphere.

some of the orthodox breeze became supported to the pope. Thus these lands became part of the .

polish lithuanian state. During decades.

the polls were engaged in poland. Ization of this part of the population, they introduce their language there, try to ensure the idea that this population was not exactly russians, that because they lived on the fringe, they were ukrainians. Originally, the word ukrainian meant that the person was living on the outskirts of the state, along the fringes, or was engaged in a border patrol service. IT didn't mean any particular ethnic .

group like you.

So the polls .

were trying to.

in every possible way, to colonize this part of the russian lands, and actually treated IT rather harshly, not to say cruel, all that LED to the fact that this part of the russian lands began to struggle for their rights. They wrote letters to warsaw demanding that their rights be observed, and people be commissioned here, including to a big person.

Could you tell us what period i'm losing track of where in history .

we are developed?

The polish impression .

of you can IT was in .

the thirteen century. No, I didn't not be. Now I will tell .

you what .

happened later .

that no .

fusion.

And in sixteen and fifty four, even a bit earlier.

you can the people who were in control .

of the authors over that part of the russian lands a trust or so, I repeat, demanding that they send them to rulers of russian origin and orto do's faith. When warsaw did not answer them, and in fact rejected their demands, they they turned to moscow so that moscow .

took them away so that you don't .

think that i'm inventing things. I'll give you .

these documents. Well, I IT doesn't like you're inventing.

and i'm not sure why it's relevant to .

the cuts from the arrest copies.

Here's the letters .

from bog down, the man who then controlled the power in this part of the russian that is now called ukraine. He wrote to warsaw demanding that their rights be upheld. And after being refused, he began to write letters to moscow asking to take them under the strong hand of the moscow.

There are copies of these documents. I will leave them for your good memory. There is a translation, and the russian you can translate. And so english later, russia would not agree to admit them straight away, assuming that the war with bowen would start. Nevertheless, in sixteen fifty four, the russian assembly of top clergy and landowner headed by the star.

which was the representative .

body of the power of the old russian state, decided to include a part of the old russian lands into moscow.

Kingdom has expected .

the war with poland began .

IT lasted .

thirteen years, and then in sixteen .

and fifty four .

a truth was concluded.

And thirty .

two years later, I think a peace treated with bolt, which they called internal peace, was signed.

And these .

lands, the whole left bank of neither, including kev, went to russia. And the whole right bank of naper remained .

in poland.

Under the rule of Katherine, the great russia reclaimed all of its historical lands, including in the south and west, that this all lasted until the revolution. Before world .

were austrian general .

staff relied on the ideas of ukrainian ization and started actively promoting the ideas of ukraine. And the ukrainian .

ation motive was obvious. Just before world were one.

They wanted to weaken the potential enemy and secure themselves favorable conditions in the border area. So the idea which had emerged in pollen, that people resigning in that territory were allegedly not really russians, but rather belong to a special ethnic group. Ukrainians started being propagated by the austrian general .

staff as far back .

as the nineteen century appearance calling for ukrainian independence appear.

All .

those, however, claimed that ukraine should have a very good relationship with russia.

They insisted after the eighteen .

volumes.

licks sought to restore the .

statehood and the civil war began, including the hostilities .

with poland. In nineteen twenty one.

peace with bowen was proclaimed, and under that treaty, the right bank of neither river once again was given back to poland.

This is to them.

In nineteen and thirty nine, after bollen .

CoOperated .

with hitler, hitler r offered butlin peace .

and that treat the of friendship.

support and alliance, demanding in return that bolen give back to germany the so called dancing car door, which connected the bulk of germany with east .

brush and. This territory was transferred .

to poland, and instead of dances C, A city of dusk .

emerged to use.

Hitler asked them to give IT aneka ly.

but they refused.

of course. Still, they elaborated with hitler .

and engage together in .

the partitioning of cheko.

Slava may ask you, you're making the case. The ukraine, certainly participants, raine in ukrainian and effect russia has been for hundreds of years. Why wouldn't you just take IT when you became president twenty four years ago? You have nuclear weapons. They don't. If it's actually your land, why did you wait so long?

I'll tell you i'm coming to that. This briefing is coming to an end. IT might be boring, but IT .

explains many things.

You don't know how it's relevant. good.

I'm so gratified that you appreciate that. Thank you. So before world war two, pollen collaborated with heller, and although IT did not yield hitler's demands, it's still participated in the partitioning of cheko slavkin together with hitler.

As the polls had not given the dancing corridor to germany, IT went so far pushing hitler to start world war two by attacking them. Why was IT bollen, against whom were started on first september one thousand and thirty nine bullet turned out to be uncompromising. Hitler had nothing to do but start implementing .

his plans with bolt.

By the way, the U. S. S, R, I have read some archive documents, behaved very honestly.

IT asked pull .

and permission to transit its troops through the polish territory .

to help check.

but the then publish foreign minister said that if the soviet plans flew over poland, they would be doing over the territory of bollen. But that doesn't matter. What matters is that they were begun and pollen fell.

Pray to the policies IT had pursued against chick's. Lavaux a is under the well known moleson ribbon e drop packed part of the territory, including western ukraine, was to be given to russia. Thus, russia, which was then named this U. S, S. R, regained this historical .

lands after .

the Victory in the great patriotic tic war, as we call .

workwk two, although theories .

were ultimately and trying as belonging to russia to the U.

S. S. R. As for bulent.

IT received apparently in compensation the lanes which had originally .

been does just the eastern .

parts of germany. These are no western .

lands of bolland. Of .

course, bowlen regained access to the.

which was .

once again given its pools sh name. So this was how this situation in two.

when .

the us. R was stablish .

started .

building the U. S. S. R and established the soviet ukraine, which had .

never existed before. But starling starling .

insist that those republicans be .

included in the U.

S. R. As a entities say.

This google.

for some inexplicable reason, land in the founder of the soviet state, insisted that they be entitled .

to withdraw from the U. S, S. R.

again, for some unknown reasons, he transferred to the newly established the soviet public of ukraine, some of the lands, together with people living there, even though those lens had never been called ukraine, and yet they were made part of that soviet republic of ukrainian. Those lands included the black sea region, which was received under Catherine, and the grade and which had no historical connection with ukraine.

was ever.

even if we go as far back as sixteen and fifty four, when these lands return to russian, that territory was the size of three to four regions of modern ukraine with no black sea region. That was completely out of the question.

In sixty and fifty four?

exactly. No, I just.

you always receive an psychopath knowledge of this region. But why didn't you make this case for the first twenty two years as president that ukraine was .

in a real country? Polo, the of the union was given a great .

deal of territory that had never belonged IT.

including the black c region.

At some point, when russia receive them as an outcome of the rules, turkish wars, they were called new russia.

or nava CIA. But that .

does not matter. What matters is that line in the founder of the soviet state establish ukraine that way.

Decades.

the ukrainian republic developed as part of the us. And for unknown reasons, again, the bosox were engaged in ukrainian ization. IT was not merely because the soviet leadership was composed to a great extent of those originating from the crane, rather, IT was explained by the general policy of indigenisation pursued by the soviet union.

Same things were done in other so IT republics. This involved promoting national languages and national cultures, which is not about in principal, that is how the soviet ukraine was created after the world. World two ukraine received, in addition to the lands that had belonged to poland before the war, part of the lens that had previously belonged to hungary and the romania. So romania and hungry had some of their land taken away and given to the soviet craine, and they still remain part of ukraine. So in this sense, we have every reason to confirm that ukraine is an artificial state that was shared.

that you believe hungry has the right to take its land back from ukraine. And the other have a right took go back to their sixteen and fifty four borders.

No, not sure whether .

they should go back to the sixteen fifty .

four borders, but given .

stone so called stan regime, which, as many claim, saw numerous violations of human rights and violations of the .

rights of other states, they could claim back those lens of theirs while having .

no right to do that. IT is at least understandable. Have you to via or .

but that he can have party of.

Ukraine, I .

have never told him not .

a single time.

We have not even had any conversation on that. But I actually know for sure that hungarians .

who live .

there wants to get back to .

their historical land .

more over. I would like to share a very interesting .

story with you.

I guess it's a personal one. Somewhere in the early eighties, I went on a road trip in a car from then a learning red across the soviet union through key of may, this stop in key of, and then went to western ukraine. I went to the town of the gavi and all the names of towns and villages.

They were in russian and in the language I did not understand in hungarian, in russian and in hungarian, not in ukrainian, in russian and in hungarian. I was driving through some kind of village, and they were men sitting next to the houses, and they were wearing black trippy suits and black cylinder hats. I asked, are there some kind of entertainers?

I was told, no, they were not entertainers. They are hungarians. I said, what are they doing here? What do you mean? This is the land they live here.

This was during the soviet time in the nineteen eighties. They preserve the hungarian language, hungarian names and all their national costumes. They are hungarians, and they feel themselves to be hungarians. And of course, but now there is an enrichment that.

and there's a lot of that. I think many nations, they are upset about translate ana as well as you, obviously. But many nations feel frustrated by the redrawn borders of the wars of the twenty eighth century and wars going back a thousand years, the ones you think you mention.

But the fact is that you didn't make this case in public until two years ago, february. And in the case that you made what I read today, just you you explain a great length that you felt a physical threat from the west in nato, including potentially nuclear threat. And that's what got you to move. Is that a fair characterization?

Of what you said you to and speech is probably .

fall outside the john of the interview. That is why I ask you at the beginning, are we going to have a series of or a show said a serious stock. So they are with, please, we are coming to the point where the soviet ukraine was established. Then in nineteen and ninety one, the soviet union collapsed, and everything that russia had generously be stored on ukraine was dragged away by the latter. I'm coming to a very important point .

of today's agenda.

Thank you. After all, the collapse of the soviet union was effectively initiated .

by the russian leadership.

I do not understand what the russian leadership was guided by at the time, but I suspect there were several reasons to think everything would be fine.

No, do much to never is rush to the first.

I think that then russian leadership believe that the fundamentals of the relationship between russia and ukraine were, in fact, a common language. More than ninety percent of .

the population they spoke .

question size. Every third person there had some kind of family or friendship size. Common culture, common history, finally, common faith, co existence with a single state for centuries and deeply inter .

connected economies. All of these .

were so fundamental, all these elements together make our good relationships inevitable.

The second point is .

a very important one.

But he know he.

I want you as an american citizen and your yours to hear.

bet this as well. You get.

The former russian leadership assumed that the soviet union had ceased to exist, and therefore there were no longer any ideological .

dividing line.

Russia even agreed voluntarily and proactively to the collapse of the soviet union and believe that this would be understood by the so called civilized west as an invitation for CoOperation.

And so that is what russia .

was expected, both from the united states and the so called west as a whole.

There were smart people.

including in germany, egan bar, a major politician of the social democratic party, who insisted in his personal conversations with the soviet leadership on the brink of the collapse of the soviet union, that a new security system should be established in europe. Help should be given to unify gin, but the new system should be also established to include the united states, canada, russia and other central .

european countries.

But nato needs not to expand. That's what he said. If nato expands, everything would be just the same as during the cold war, only closer to russia's borders.

That's all he was.

a wise old man, but no one listen to him. In fact, he got angry once.

If he said, you don't listen to me.

i'm never setting my foot in moscow. Once again.

everything .

happened just as he had said.

Well, of course, IT did come true. And I and you've mentioned this many times, I think it's a fair point. And many in amErica thought that relations between russia in the united states would be fine with the collapse the soviet on the end of the core war that the opposite happened.

But you've never explained why you think that happened, except to say that the west fears a strong rush, but we have a strong china. The west does not seem very afraid of what about russia, do you think? Convinced policymakers, they had to take IT down.

I see the west is afraid of strong .

china more than IT fears a strong russia, because russia has one fifty million people and china has one point five billion population, and the economy is growing by leaps and bounds, or five percent a year. IT used to be even more, but that's enough for china. As best mark once put, the potentials are the most important.

China's potential is enormous. IT is the biggest economy in the world today in terms of purchasing power parity and the size of the omy. IT has already overtaking the united states quite a long time ago, and IT is growing at a rapid clip.

Let's not talk about who is afraid of whom. Let's not reason in such terms. And let's get into the fact that after nineteen ninety one, when russia expected that that would be welcomed into the brotherly family of civilize nations, nothing like this happened.

Trick ce, I don't mean you personally, when I say you. Of course, i'm talking about the united states. The promise was that nato would not expand eastport, but IT happened five times.

There were five waves of expansion that we were trying to persuade them. We were saying, please don't. We are as braja now as you are.

We are market economy and there is no party power. Let's negotiate. Moreover, I have also said .

this .

publicly .

before a moment.

A certain rift started growing between us before that yet and came to the united states. Remember, he spoken congress and said the good words, god bless america, everything he said were signals, let us in. Remember the developments in ugus lava before the yields was lavished with brace.

As soon as the developments in egos, lava started, he erratic ed, his voice in support of serves. And we couldn't but raised our voices for serves in their defense. I understand that there were complex processes under way there.

I do could not help raising its voice in support of serbs, because serbs are also a special and close to a nation with orthodox culture and so on. It's a nation that has suffered so much for generations. Well, regardless, what is important is that yelland expressed his support what that the united states do in violation of international law and the U.

N. charter. IT started bombing the grade. IT was the united states that let .

the gene out of the bottom.

Moreover, when russia protest then expressed its resentment, what was said? The U. N.

Charter and international law had become absolute. Now everyone invokes international law. But at that time they started saying that everything was outdated.

Everything had to be changed. Indeed, some things need to be changed as the baLance of power has changed is true, but not in this manner. Illness was immediately dragged through the mud, accused of alcoholism, of understanding nothing, of knowing nothing.

He understood everything, I assure you. Well, I became president in two thousand. I thought, okay, that ugus love issue is over, but we should try to .

restore relations.

Let's reopen the door russia had tried to go through. And moreover, I said IT publicly, I can .

reiterate at a meeting here .

in the kremlin with the outgoing president, bill clinton, right here in the next room, I said to him, I .

asked him.

do you think if russia asked to join nature, do you think .

that would happened suddenly?

He said, you know, it's interesting. I think so. But in the evening when we met for a dinner, he said, you know, i've talked to my team. No, no, it's not possible.

Now you can ask him, I think .

he will watch our interview. He'll confirm I wouldn't have said anything like that if IT hadn't happened.

Okay.

are you impossible now?

Would you have joined nato?

But should look, I asked the question is IT possible or not? And the answer I got was, no, if I was in sincere in my desire to find out what the leadership position.

but if he had said yes, would you have join nato?

If he had said yes, the process of approaches .

would have commenced and eventually IT might have happened if we had seen some sincere wish on the other side of our partners. But that didn't happen. Well, no means no. okay. And why do you think that .

is just to get to motive? I know you're clearly bitter about IT understand, but why do you think the west rebuff ed you? Then why the hostility, why did the end of the cold war not fixed? The relationship of what motivates this from your point of view?

He said I was bitter about the answer. No, it's not bitter inss. It's just a statement of fact where not brighten goom bittern's resentment.

It's not a about those kind of matter. Such circumstances. We just realized that we weren't welcome there.

That's all okay, fine. But let's build relations in another manner. Let's work for common ground elsewhere.

Why we received such a negative response, you should ask your leaders. I can only guess why to be a country with its own opinion and so on. In the united states, I have seen how issues are being resolved.

I will give you another .

example now concerning ukraine.

The U. S. Leadership .

exerts pressure and all metal members .

obedience vote.

And like now i'll .

tell you what happen .

in this regard in in two thousand and eight, although is being discussed, i'm not going to open a secret .

to you say anything new.

After that, we tried to build relations in different ways.

For example.

the events in the middle east.

in iraq.

We were building relations with the united states in a very soft print, cautious manner. I repeatedly raised the issue that the united states should not support separatism or terrorism in.

but they continue .

to do IT anyway, and political support, information support, financial support, even military support came from the united states. And its satellite for terrorist groups .

in the caucus is I wants to raise .

the issue with my colleague, the president of the united states. He says, it's impossible. Do you have proof? I said, yes, I was prepared for this conversation and I gave him that proof.

He looked at IT and you know what he said, I apologized, but that's what happened. Our quote. He says, well, i'm gonna kick their ass. We waited and waited for some response.

There was no reply.

I said to death has been director right to the C. A. What is the result of the conversation with president? He wrote once, twice.

And then we got a reply. We have the answer in the arc, the C, I, A replied. We have been working with the opposition in russia.

We believe that this is the right thing to do, and we will keep on doing IT. Just ridiculous. okay? We realized that there was out of the question.

forces in opposition to you, to your saying, C, A is trying .

to over through your .

government. That particular case, parait, there is who fought with us in the course.

That's who .

they called the opposition. The second point, the third moment, is a very important one, is the moment when the U. S. Missiles defense system was created. The beginning .

person .

for a long time in united .

states.

Moreover.

after was invited by bush junior's father.

bush senior, to visit his place on the ocean.

I had a very .

serious conversation. President bush, his team, I proposed that the united states, russia and europe jointly create a missa defense system that we believe, if created the unilaterally threatens our security, despite the fact that the united states officially said that he was being created against missile threats from my iran. That was the justification for the deployment of the missile defense system.

I suggested working together, russia, the united states, in europe. They said, IT was very interesting. They asked me, are you serious? I said, absolutely matter .

what .

you're with this, I don't remember.

IT is easy to find out on the internet. When I was in the U. S. A, at the invitation of a push, senor IT is even easier to learn from someone i'm .

going to tell you about.

I was still IT was very interesting. I said, just imagine if we could tackle such a global strategic security chAllenge together. The world will change, will probably have disputes, probably economic and even political ones, but we could drastically change the situation in the world. He says yes and asks, are you serious? I said, of course we need to think about IT.

I'm so I said, go ahead, please as then secretary of defense gates form of a director of CIA and secretary of rice came in here, in this cabinet right here, this table they set on this table me, the foreign minister, the russian defense minister, on that side, they said to me, yes, we have thought about IT. We agree. I said, thank got great, but with some exceptions.

So twice you've described U. S. Presidents making decisions and then being undercut by their agency heads. So IT sounds like you're describing a system that's not run by the people who are elected. In your telling.

that's .

right. In .

the end.

they just told us to get lost. I'm not going to tell you the details because I think it's incorrect. After all, he was confidential conversation, but our proposal was declined.

That's a fact.

He was right then when I said, look, but then we will be forced to take countermeasures. We will create such strike systems that will certainly overcome missiles defense systems. The answer was, we are not doing this against you, and you do what you want, assuming that that is not against us, not against the united states.

I said, okay, very well, that's the way we went. And we created hypersonic systems with interconnect range, and we continue to develop them. We are now ahead of everyone, the united states and the other countries in terms of the development of hypersonic track systems, and we are improving them every day.

But he wasn't us. We propose to go the other way. And we were .

pushed that now .

about naos expansion to the east. Well, we were promised no nato to the east, not the names to east, as we were told. And then what they said, well, it's not insurance on paper.

So we expand. So there were five waves of expansion, the belt states, the whole of east n europe and so on. And now I come to the main thing.

They have come to the ukraine. Ultimately, in two thousand and a night at the summit in booker rest, they declared that the doors for ukraine and georgia to join nato were open. Now about how decisions are made.

Their germany, france seem to be against that, as well as some other european countries. But then, as IT turned out later, president bush, and he's such a tough guy, hates tough politician. As I was sold later, he exerted pressure on us and we had to agree.

It's ridiculous. It's like kindergarten. Where are the guarantees? What kind of garden is this? What kind of people are these? Who are they? Thank you.

You see, they were pressed, they agree, and then they say ukraine won't be in the nature. You know, I say, I don't know. I know you agreed in two thousand and eight why once you agree in the future, well, they pressed us.

Then I say, why one, they press you tomorrow and you agree again. Well, it's nonsensical. Who's there to talk to? I just don't understand.

We are ready to talk. But with who? Where are the guarantees? none. So they started to develop the territory of ukraine. Whatever is there, I have told you the background, this territory developed.

What kind of relations they wear with russia every second or third person there has always had, sometimes with and during the elections, in already independent sovereign ukraine, which gained its independence as a result of the declaration of independence. And by the way, he says that ukraine is a neutral state. And in two thousand and eight, suddenly the doors or gates to nato were open to IT. Come on. This is not how we agreed.

Now.

all the presidents that have come to power in ukraine, they relied on electorate with a good attitude to russia in one .

way or the other.

This is the south east of ukraine. This is a large number of people. And that was very difficult to dissuade this electorate, which had a positive attitude .

towards russia.

Victory and college came to power, and how the .

first time .

he won after president kuchma, they organized the third round, which is not provided for in the constitution of ukraine. This is a co data. Just imagine someone in the united states wouldn't like the outcome .

in two thousand .

and fourteen .

before that. No, this was before that. After president kuchma, Victorian in koch warned the elections, however, his opponents did not recognize that Victory.

The U. S, support the opposition. And the third round was scheduled. What is this?

This is a code.

U. S. Supported that. And the winner of the third round came to power.

Imagine if in the U. S, something was not to someone sliding. And the third round of election, which the us.

Constitution does not provide for, was organize. Nonetheless, IT was done in ukraine. okay. Victor usin KO, who was considered the pro western politician, came to power.

fine.

We have built relations with him as well. He came to moscow with the visits. We visited.

K, F, I visited too. We met in an informal setting. If he's pro western, so bit, it's fine. Let people do their job.

The situation should .

have developed inside the independent craine itself as a result of cuche as leadership, things got worse and Victoriana kovach came to power.

After all.

maybe he wasn't the best president and the politician. I don't know. I don't want to give assessments. However, the issue of the association with the E. U.

Came up.

We have always been leaning in to this suit yourself. But when we read through the treaty of association, IT turned out to be a problem for us, since we had the free trade zone and open customs borders with ukraine, which under this association, had to open its borders for europe, which would have had to flooding of our market.

We said, no, this is not going to work.

We shall close .

our borders .

with you, crae them the customs borders. That is how we started to calculate how much your grain was going to gain, how much to lose. And said to his european partners, I need more sign to think before signing the moment he said that the opposition began to take destructive steps, which were supported by the west. IT all came down to my down and a cool .

in ukraine. So he did more trade with russia than with A U. ukraine.

And of course.

it's even the matter of trade value, although for the most part, that is, IT is the matter of CoOperation size, which the entire ukrainian economy was based on. The CoOperation size between the enterprises were very close since the times of the soviet union. One enterprise there used to produce components to be assembled both in russia and ukraine, and vice versa. They used to be very close times.

I could.

the town was committed, although I shall not delve into details. Now, as I find doing IT and appropriate the u still calm in a college down, and we will calm the opposition, let the situation and full in the scenario of a political settlement. We said, all right, agreed.

Let's do IT this way. As the americans requested, the coverage did used neither the armed forces nor the police. Yet the armed opposition committed a coup in key.

What is that supposed to mean? Who do you think you are? I wanted to ask the the U. S.

Leadership with the .

backing of whom.

With the backing of C.

I, A, of course, the organization you wanted to join back in the day, as I understand.

we should .

think god they'd let you in. Although IT is a serious organization, I understand my former of via vi in the sense that I served in the first main directorate. So with unions intelligence service, they have always been no opponents. A job is a job.

No, you can. You, if you technically.

they did everything great. They achieve their goal of changing the government from political standpoint. IT was a colossal on mistake. Surely IT was political leadership's miscalculation. They should have seen what they would evolve.

into.

So in two thousand and eight, the doors of the nato were open for ukraine. In two thousand and fourteen, ene, there was a coup. They started persecuting those who did not accept the coup.

And IT was indeed the cool. They created a threat to grade me, a which we had to take under our protection. They launched the war in domus in two thousand fifteen, with the use of aircraft and artillery inst civilians.

This is when IT all started. There is a video of aircraft to checking donations from above. They launched a large scale military Operation than another one. When they failed, they started to prepare the next door, all this against the background of military development of this territory and opening of naos door.

He, how could we not express concern .

over what was happening from our side? This would have been culpable, negligence. That's what this .

would have been.

just that the U. S. Political leadership pushed us to the line we could not cross, because doing so could have ruined .

russia itself sides. We could not leave our .

brothers in faith, in fact, a part of russian people in the face of this war machine.

What that was .

eight years before the current conflict started. So what was the trigger for you? What was the moment where you decided you had to do this?

Initially, IT was the cool in .

the ukraine that provoked the public, by the way. Back then, the representatives, three european countries, germany, pollen and frans, right, they were the guarantors of design agreement between the government opposition. Despite that, the opposition committed a coup, and all these countries pretended that they didn't remember that they were gearing .

tours of the peaceful.

They just throw IT in the store right away. And nobody recalls that. I don't know if the U. S. Know anything about the agreement between the opposition and the authorities and its three guarantors, who, instead of bringing this whole situation back in the political field, supported the good.

Although IT was meaningless, believe me, because president, and which agreed to all conditions, he was ready to hold an early election, which he had no chance of winning the speaking, everyone knew that. Then why the cool? Why the White threatened in crimea while launching an Operation in done bus? This I do not understand. That is exactly what the miscalculation is. C, A, A did his jo B2Complete the coo l.

I think one of the deputy .

secretaries of states said that they caused a large sum of money, almost five billion. But the political mistake was colossal. Why would they have to do that? All this could have been done legally, without victims, without military action, without to losing crimea. We would have never consider to even lift a finger if IT hadn't been for the bloody developments on my down.

because we agreed with the fact .

that after the collapse of the soviet union, our border should be along the borders of former union republics. We agreed to that, but we never agreed to nato's expansion. And moreover, we never d that ukraine .

would be in nato.

We did not agree to nature basis there without any discussion with us for decades. We get asking, don't do this trigger.

The latest is, firstly, the current .

ukrainian leadership declared that, that would not implement the men's agreements, which had been signed, as you know, after the events of two thousand fourteen ene in month or the plan of peaceful settlement .

in domes was set forth but no.

the current ukrainian leadership, foreign minister, all other officials and then president himself said that they don't like anything about .

the men's agreements and the roads um um in other words.

they were not going to implement IT .

but I am not least to put people a year .

or a year and a half ago former leaders of germany and france said openly to the whole world that they indeed signed the men's agreements but they never intended to implement them please simply let us buy the nose.

Was there anyone free to talk to? Did you call the U. S. President secretary state and see if you keep militarizing ukraine with nato forces?

This is gonna.

This is gonna. We're going to .

act my stay and go, stay and good, but I sure is talked .

about this all the time. We addressed the united states and european country's leadership to stop these developments immediately. So implement the many agreements.

Frankly speaking, I didn't know how we were going to do this, but I was ready to implement that. These agreements were complicated for ukraine. They included lots of elements of those don bus territories independence. That's true. However, I was absolutely confident, and i'm saying this to you now, honestly believe that if we manage to convince the residence of done but and we had to work hard to convince them to return to the ukrainian statehood, then gradually the ones would start to heal.

When this part .

of territory reintegrated itself into common social environment, when the pensions and social benefits were paid again, all the pieces would gradually fall into place.

是 在那边 树 边。 No, nobody .

wanted that. Everybody wanted to resolve the issue by military force only. But we could not let that happen. And the situation got to the point when the ukrainian side announced, no, we will not do anything. They also started preparing for military action.

IT was they who started the war in two thousand fourteen? Ene, our goal is to stop this war, and we did not start this war in twenty two, twenty two. And this is an attempt to stop.

IT, do you think .

you've stopped IT now.

if you achieve your aims?

No, we haven't achieved .

their aims yet because one of them is the notification. This means the prohibition of all kinds of newly movements. This is one of the problems that we discussed during the negotiation process.

which ended the item u early. This no and IT was not our initiative because we were .

told by the europeans in particular that IT was necessary to create conditions for the final signing of the documents. My counterparts .

in france and germany said.

how can you imagine them signing a treaty with they gone to their heads. The troops should be pulled back from key said, all right, we withdrew the .

troops as soon as we pulled .

back our troops from here. Our ukrainian negotiators, immediately through all our agreements.

reached the band got prepared for a long .

standing armed confrontation with the help of the united states and its satellites in europe.

That is how .

the situation has developed, and that is how IT looks now.

But what .

is party migrants? What is the notification?

What would that mean? What the version that is?

What I want to talk about right now, IT is a very important issue. The .

notification after gaining .

independence, ukraine began to search, as some western analysts say .

it's and IT came up with nothing Better .

than to build the identity upon some false heroes who collaborated .

with him. Good idea.

I have already said that in the early twenty th century, when the theorists of independence and saranacs of ukrainy appeared, they assume that an independent ukraine should have very good relations with russia.

Not a few years is, but due to the historical .

development, those territories were part of the polish liberal ian commonwealth, poland, where ukrainians were persecuted and treated quite brutally, as well as we're subject to cruel behavior.

attempts to destroy .

their identity .

that I, after I am away right now. St.

all this remained in the memory of the people. When worldwind two broke out, part of this extremely nationalist delete collaborated with hitler, believing that he .

would bring them freedom lag.

The german troops, even the S. S. Troops, made hitler collaborators to do the dirty st work of exterminating the abolition jewish population. Hence this brutal massacre of the polish jewish population as well as the russian .

population. Soon this was LED by the persons .

who are well known, a shake age IT was those people who were made national heroes. That is the problem. And we are constantly told that nationalism and neonates m exist in other countries as well. Yes, they are settlings, but we approved them, and other countries fight .

against them.

But ukraine is not the case. These people have been made into a national heroes in ukraine. Monument to those people have been erected. They are displayed on flags. Their names are shouted by crowds that walk with torches .

as IT was in nazi germany flag no I these were people .

who exterminated bulls, jews and russians.

At the luck of the the lack of receive the rescue IT is necessary .

to stop this practice and prevent the dissemination .

of this concept.

I say that ukrainians are part of the one russian people. They say, no, we are a separate people. okay? Fine, if they considered themselves a separate people, they have the right to do so, but not on the basis of no ism, the ni ideology.

Would you be satisfied with the territory that you have now?

Will finish answering the question. You just ask the question about the on and the notification. Look, the president of ukraine visited canal, the stories well known, but being silenced in the western countries.

The canadian parliament introduced the man who, as the speaker of the parliament said, fought against the russians during the world war two, well, who fought against the russians during the willard too, hitler r and his accomplishes. It's endell bt. That this men served in the S.

S. Troops personally killed russian s. Balls and juice. This as troops consisted the ukrainian nationalists who did this dirty work.

The president in ukraine stood up with the entire parliament of canada and applauded this man. How can this be imagined? The president of ukraine himself, by the way, is a due by nationality.

Really my questions, what do you do about that? I mean, hitlers been dead for eighty years, not to germany, and longer exists. And so true. And so I think what you're saying is you want to extinguished or at least control ukrainian nationalism. But how how do you do that?

What absolution may well propose? Watching donkey.

listen to me, your question is very subtle, and I can sell you what I think do not take offense.

Of course.

active 那个 叫 this question .

appears to be settled。

IT is quite pesky.

You say hitler has been dead for so many years, eighty years, but his example lives on people who exterminated juice russians and balls are alive. And the president, the current president of today's ukraine, applause him in the canadian parliament, gives a standing ovation.

Can we say that we have completely approved this ideology? If what we see is happening today, that is what the notification is in our understanding, we have to get rid of those people who maintained this concept and support this practice and try to preserve IT. That is what the assimilation is. That is what we mean. My question .

is more specific. IT was, of course, not a defense of not ceasing or otherwise. IT was a practical question. You don't control the entire country. You don't control if you don't seem like you want to. So how how do you eliminate a culture or an ideology or feelings or a view of history in a country that you don't control? What do you do?

Was native h for you to random who out of a 3 bulan.

you know, as string as IT may seem to you. During the negotiations of instable, we did agree that we have IT all in writing. Neonates m would not be cultivated in ukraine, including that they would be prohibited at the legislative level. mr. Carson, we agreed on .

that this IT.

turns out, can be done during the negotiation process. And there is nothing humiliating for ukraine as a modern, civilized state. Is any state allowed to promote noises? IT is not easy.

That isn't 就是 um will .

there be talks .

and why haven't there been talks about resolving the conflict in ukraine？ Peace talks?

And you Billy and you Billy and you um the dog was cusco and you passed they have been .

they reached the very high stage of ordination of positions in a complex process. But still they were almost finalized. But after we withdrew our troops from cave, as I have already said, the other side threw away all these agreeement and obey the instructions of western countries, european countries and the united states to fight russia to the bitter end.

Moreover, the president of grain has legislated the ban on negotiating with russia. He signed the decree forbidding everyone to negotiate with russia. But how are we going to negotiate if he forced himself and everyone to do this? We know that he is putting forward some ideas about the settlement, but in order to agree on something, we need to have a dialogue. Is that not right? Well, but you wouldn't .

be speaking to the ukraine. Um president, you'd be speaking to the american president. When was the last time you spoke to drop iden?

I cannot remember when I talk to him. I do not remember. We can look IT up.

You don't remember. No, why do I have to remember everything? I have my own things to do. We have domestic political affairs.

Well, he's funding the war that you're fighting. So I would think that would be memorable.

no. Well.

yes, he funds, but I talk to him before the special military Operation, of course. And I said to him then, by the way, I will not go into details, I never do. But I said to him then, I believe that you are making a huge mistake of historic proportions by supporting everything that is happening there in ukraine, by pushing russia away. I told him, told him repeatedly, by the way, I think that would be correct if I stop here. What did he say?

Ask him please. IT is easier for you.

You are citizen of the united states. Go and ask him. IT is not appropriate for me to comment on our conversation.

but you haven't spoken to him since before a february of twenty twenty two.

No, no, we haven't .

spoken. Certain contacts are being made sane, though. Speaking in which .

do you remember what I told .

you about my proposal to work together on a missile defense system?

Yes, you can ask .

all of them. All of them are safe and sound. Then, god, the former president, condo.

Liza, safe and sound. And I think mister gates and the current director of the intelligence agency, mr. Burns, the then ambassador to russia, in my opinion, are very successful .

ambassador.

They were all witnesses to these conversations as them. Same here, if you are interested in what mr. President by then responded to me, ask him, at any rate, I talk to him about IT.

I'm definite interested. But from the outside, IT seems like this could evolve evolve into something that brings the entire world into conflict and could um initiate some a nuclear launch. And so why don't you just call biden and say, let's work this out?

What's there to .

work out? It's very simple. I .

repeat.

we have contacts through various agencies.

I will tell you .

what we are saying on this matter and what we are conveying to the U. S. leadership. If you really want to stop fighting, you need to stop supplying weapons.

IT will be over within a few weeks that sit, and then we can agree on some terms before you do that, stop. What's easier? Why would I call him? What should I talk to him about or beg him for?

What meat do you .

are going to deliver .

such in such weapons to Green? Oh, i'm afraid, i'm afraid please don't. What is there to talk about?

Do you think nato was worried about this becoming a global war and nuclear conflict?

At leased, that's what they're talking about. And they're trying to intimidate their own population with an imaginary russian thread. This is an obvious fact. And thinking people, not phillis's, but thinking people, analysts, those who are engaged in real politics, just smart people, understand perfectly well this is a face .

they're trying to .

fuel the russian threat.

The threats I think they're referring to is a russian invasion of poland lap via expansionist behavior. Is, can you imagine a scenario where you sent russian troops, poland.

Only in one .

case if bolland attacks russia. why? Because we have no interest in poland that you or anywhere else.

Why would we do that? We simply don't have any interest. It's just treat mongering.

Well, the argument I know you know this is that, well, he invaded ukraine. He has territorial aims across the continent. And you're saying, unequipped, you don't.

Absolute is the absolute or is question IT .

is absolutely out of the question. You just don't have to be any kind of analyst IT goes against common sense to get involved .

in some kind of a global war.

And a global war will bring all humanity to the brink of destruction. It's obvious the .

years there are .

certainly means of deterrence. They have been scaring everyone with us all along. Tomorrow russia will use tactical nuclear weapons. Tomorrow russia will use that. No, the day after tomorrow.

So what we beat in order to explore .

additional money from U. S. Taxpayers and european taxpayers in the confrontation with russia, in the ukrainian theatre of war, the goal is to weaken russia as much as possible. what.

One of our senior united states senators from the state of york, chuck tumor, said yesterday, I believe that we have to continue to fund the ukrainian effort, or us soldier citizens could wind up fighting there. How do you assess that?

This is a provocation .

and a cheap provocation. At that.

I do not understand .

why american soldiers should fight in ukraine. There are mercenaries from the united states there. The bigger number of mercenaries comes from poland, with mercenaries from the united states in second place and mercy aries from georgia in third place.

Well, if somebody has the desire to send regular troops, that would certainly bring humanity to the brink of very serious global conflict. This is obvious. Do the united states need this? What four. Thousands of miles away from your .

national territory.

Don't you have anything Better to do?

You have issues .

on the border, issues with migration, issues with the national debt, more than thirty three trillion dollars. You have nothing Better to do. So you should fight in ukraine. E wouldn't .

IT be Better .

to negotiate with russia, make an agreement already, understanding the situation that is developing today, realizing that russia will fight for its interest to .

the end there most.

and realizing this actually return to common sense, start respecting our country and its interests, and look for certain solutions.

IT seems to me .

that this is much smarter and more rational.

Who blow up nord stream.

You, for sure.

I was busy that day. You have you, but I did .

not pull up north .

street then. Thank you. lina. Lina, you personally may .

have an alley, but the C, A, A has no such a alibi .

of evidence that nato, C, I did IT.

You you know, I won't .

get into details, but people always say in such cases, look for someone who is interested, but in this case, we should not only look for someone who is interested, but also for someone who has capabilities because there may be many people interested, but not all of them are capable of sinking to the bottom of the bolt sea and Carrying out this explosion. These two components should be connected. Who is interested and who is capable of doing this?

But i'm confused. I mean, that's the biggest active industrial terrorism ever and it's the largest emission of co two in in history. okay. So if you had evidence and presumably ven your security services, rental services, you would that nato, the user, the west did this, why wouldn't you presented and win a propagate Victory?

In the war of propaganda .

is very difficult to defeat the united states, because the united states controls all the world's media and many european media. The ultimate beneficiary of the biggest european media are american financial institutions. Don't you know that so IT is possible to get involved in this work, but IT is cost prohibitive, so to speak. We can simply shine the spotlight on our sources of information, and we will not achieve results. IT is clear to the whole world what happened then even american analysts talk about IT directly.

Sure, yes. But here's a question you may able to answer. You work in germany famously.

The germans clearly know that their natal partner did this, but they damaged their economy greatly. IT may never recover. Why are they being silent about IT? That's very confusing to me. Why wouldn't the germans say something about IT?

This also confuses me.

Today's german leadership is guided by the interests of the collective west rather than its national interests. Otherwise, IT is difficult to explain the logic of their action or inaction. After all, IT does not only about north stream, one which was blown up and the north stream two was damaged, but one pipes is safe and sound and gas can be supplied to europe through IT. But germany doesn't open IT. We're ready, please.

There's another .

electro poland called amo europe, which also allows for a large flow. Bowen has closed IT, but bowlen packs from the german hand. IT receives money from the pan european funds, and germany is the main donor to the pan european funds.

Germany feet bowen to the certain extent, and they close the routine to germany. Why I don't understand ukraine to reach the germans, supply weapons and give money. Germany is the second sponsor of the united states in terms of financial a to ukraine.

There are two gas routes through ukraine. They simply closed one root. The ukrainians open the second route and please get gas from russia.

They do not open IT. Why don't the german say, look, guys, we give you money and weapons. Open up the wall. Please let the gas from russia pass. True for us, we are buying liquified gasp.

exorbitant ices in europe.

which brings the level of our competitiveness and economy in general down to zero. Do you want us to give you money? Let us have the decent existence, make money for our economy.

Because this is where the money we give you comes from. They refuse to do so. Why asked them? That is what is like in their heads. Those are highly incompetent people.

Well, maybe the world is breaking into two hemisphere, one of cheap energy, the other without. And I want to ask you that if, if for now, a multipolar world, obviously we are, can you describe the blocks of alliances? Who who is in each side? Do you think?

Listen, you have said that .

the world is broken into two. A human brain is divided in two, two hemisphere. One is responsible for one type of activities, the other one is more about creativity and so on.

But IT is still one in the same head. The world should be a single whole. Security should be shared, rather than I meant for the golden billion.

That is the only .

scenario where the world could be stable, sustainable and predictable. Until then, while the head is splitting two parts, IT is an illness, a serious adverse condition. IT is a period of severe disease that the world .

is going through now.

But I think that, thanks to honest journalism, this work is again to work of the doctors. This could somehow be remedied.

Well, it's just give one example, the the U. S. Dollar, which has kind of, you know, of the world in a lot of ways, maybe not to your vantage, but certain that are, is that going away as the reserve currency that become of the universe, except c currency? How have sanctions do you think changed .

the dollars place in the world? The global I nize good.

You know, to use the dollar as a tool of foreign policy struggle is one of the biggest strategic mistakes made by the U. S. Political leadership.

Now, a snow of my musha sha.

The dollar is the cornerstone of the united states power. I think everyone understands very well that no matter how many dollars are printed, they are quickly dispersed to lower the .

world three percent of the brink reach. The story over the the inflation in the .

united states is minimal. It's about three or three point four percent, which is, I think, totally acceptable for the us, but they won't stop printing. What does the death of thirty three trillion dollars tell us about? IT is about the emission .

the political ka was to bring relation or do of incited. Nevertheless.

IT is the main weapon used by the united states to preserve its power across the world. As soon as the political leadership decided to use the U. S. Dollar as a tool of political struggle, a blow was dealt to this american power. I would not like to use any strong language, but IT is a stupid thing to .

do in a grave mistake. Look at what is going .

on in the world. Even the united states allies are now downsizing their dollar reserves. Saying this, everyone starts looking for a way to protect themselves.

But the fact that the united states applies restrictive measures to certain countries, such as placing restrictions on transactions, freezing assets, its said a cause is great concern and sends a signal to the whole world. What did we have here until twenty twenty two, about eighty percent of russian foreign trade transactions were made in us. Dollars and euro.

U. S. dollars. Accounted for .

approximately fifty percent of our transactions with third countries. Well, currently, IT is down to thirteen percent. IT wasn't us who spend the use of the U.

S. Dollars bring a little train. good. I need, you know what I shoot of dollars.

We had no such intention. IT was a decision of the united states to restrict our transactions in U. S. dollars.

I think there is complete foolishness from the point of view of the interest of the united states itself in its taxpayers, as IT damages the U. S. Economy, undermines the power of the united states across the world. By the way, out transactions in un. Accounted for about .

three percent.

Today, thirty four percent of our transaction tions are made in rubles, and about as much a little over thirty four percent in u. On why .

did the .

united states do this? My only gas is self concede. They probably thought that that lead to full collapse, but nothing collapsed.

Moreover, other countries, including oil producers, are thinking of, and already accepting payments for oil in un. Do you even realize what is going on or not? Does anyone in united states realized this?

What are .

you doing? You are cutting yourself off. All experts say this.

Ask any intelligent .

and thinking person in the united states what the dollar means for the us. You're killing IT with your own hands. I think that's.

I think that's a fair assessment. The question is what comes next? And maybe you trade one colonial power for another much less sentimental and forgiving colonial power. I mean, is the the bricks, for example, in danger being completely dominated by the chinese, the chinese economy in a way that's not good for their sovereign? You worry about that.

We have heard those .

boogie and stories before. IT is a boogie and story. We're neighbors with china.

You cannot choose neighbors just as you cannot choose close relatives. We share a border of thousand kilometers with them. This is number one.

Second, we have a century's long history of coal existence. We are used to IT. Third, china's foreign policy philosophy is not aggressive. Its idea is to always look for compromise. And we can see that .

the next point does .

this follows. We are always still the same bug man story. And here IT goes again through an useless tic form, but IT is still the same bug man story. The CoOperation with china keeps increasing to the basis which china's CoOperation with the europe is growing is higher and greater than that of the growth of chinese russian CoOperation.

Ask europeans, aren't they afraid they might be? I don't know, but they are still trying to access chinese market at all costs, especially now that they are facing economic problems. Chinese businesses are also expLoring the european market.

Do chinese businesses have small presence in the united states? Yes, the political decisions are such that they are trying to limit their CoOperation with china. IT is to your own detriment, mr.

Sucker, that you are limiting CoOperation with china, you are hurting yourself. IT is a delicate matter, and there are no silver bullet solutions, just as IT is with the dollar. So before introducing any illegitimate ancon, illegitimate insurance of the charter of the united nations, one should think very carefully for decision makers. Disappears to be a problem.

So you said a moment ago that the world would be a lot Better if I weren't broken into competing alliances, if there was CoOperation globally. One of the reasons you don't have that is because the current american administration is dead set against you. Do you think if there were a new administration and after joe biden, that you would be able to reestablish communication with the U. S. government? Or does IT not matter who the president is?

SHE can you? I will tell you.

but let me finish the previous thought, wait together with my colleague and friend, president jing ping said that goal to reach two hundred billion dollars of mutual trade with china this year, we have exceeded this level, according to our figures are bioethical al trade with china totals already two hundred thirty billion, and the chinese statistics says IT is two hundred forty billion dollars.

One more important thing, i'll trade as well baLanced, mutually complimentary in height, tech, energy, scientific research and development. IT is very baLanced as four bricks were russia to cover the presidency this year. The brick's countries are, by and large, developing very rapidly. Look, if memory serves me right, back in nineteen and ninety two, the share of the g seven countries in the world economy amounted to fourteen percent, wherein twenty twenty two IT was down to, I think, a little over thirty percent.

Get me a sta. uh. The bricks countries .

accounted for only sixteen percent in nineteen ninety two, but now their share is greater than that of the g seven. IT has nothing to do with the events in ukraine. This is due to the trends of global development and world economy, as I mention just now.

And this is inevitable. This will keep happening. IT is like the rise of the sun. You cannot prevent the sun from rising. You have to adapt to IT. How do the united states adapt with the help of force, sanctions, pressure, bombings and use of armed forces?

This is about self conceit.

Your political establishment does not understand that the world is changing under objective circumstances. And in order to preserve your level, even if someone aspires part of me to the level of dominance, you have to make the right decisions in the competence and timely manner. Such brutal actions, including with regard to russia and say other countries, are counterproductive. This is an obvious fact. IT has .

already become evident.

You just ask me if another leader comes and changes something. IT is not about the leader. IT is not about the personality of a particular person.

I had a very good relationship with the, say, bush. I know that in the united states he was portray the some kind of a country boy who doesn't understand much. I assure you that this is not the case.

I think he made a lot of mistakes with regard to rush to. I told you about two thousand and eight, and the decision in book arrests to open the nails doors to for ukraine and so on, that happened during his presidency. He actually exercised pressure on the europeans.

But in general, on a personal human level, I had a very good relationship with him. He was no worse than any other american or russian or european politician. I assure you, he understood what he was doing as well as others.

I had such personal relationship with trump as well. IT is not about the personality of the leader. IT is about the elites mindset.

If the idea .

of domination at any cost based, also enforcement actions, dominate the american society, nothing will change. IT will only get worse.

But if in the end.

one comes to the awareness that the world has been changing to the objective circumstances, and that one should be able to adapt them in time using the advantages that the U. S. Still has today, then perhaps something may change.

what's. Look, china's economy has become the first economy in the world in purchasing power parity. In terms of volume, IT overtook the U.

S. A long time ago. The U. S, say, come second than india, one and a half billion people, and then japan, with russia in the fifties.

Russia was the first economy in europe last year, despite all the sanctions and restrictions, is IT Normal from europe point of view. Sanctions, restrictions, impossibility of payments and dollars being cut off from swift services, sanctions against their ships Carrying oil, sanctions against airplanes, sanctions in everything, everywhere. The largest number of sanctions in the world, which are applied, are applied against russia. And we have become europe's first economy during this sign.

那 就是 the tools that U。

S. Users don't work. Well, one has to think about what to do if this realization comes to the ruling elites, then, yes, then the first person of the state will act in anticipation of what the voters and the people who make decisions at various levels expect from this person. Then maybe something will change. But you're describing two different systems.

You say the leader x in the interest of the voters, but you also say these decisions are not made by the leader. They are made by the ruling classes. You've run this country for so long, you known alli's american presence. What are those power senators in the united states? Do you think that who .

actually .

makes the decisions you, I need, you got.

I don't know. AmErica is a complex country, conservative on one hand, rapidly changing on the other. It's not easy for us to sort IT all out.

Who makes decisions in the elections is IT possible to understand this. When each state has its own legislation, each state regulates itself, someone can be excluded from elections at the state level. IT is a two stage electoral system. IT is very difficult for .

us to understand IT.

Certainly, there are two parties that are dominant, the republicans and the democrats, and within this party system, the centers that make decisions, that prepare decisions. Then look why, in my opinion, after the collapse of the soviet union, such an ironic, crude, completely unjustified policy of pressure was pursued against russia.

After all, this is a policy of pressure, nato expansion, support for the separatist ant caucuses, creation of a missile defense system, these are all elements of pressure, pressure, pressure, pressure. Then dragging ukraine into to is all about pressure, pressure, pressure. why? I think, among other things, because excessive production capacity .

recreated during .

the confrontation with the soviet union, there were many centres created and specialists on the soviet union who could not do anything else that convinced the political leadership that IT is necessary to continue you missing russia, to try to break IT up, to create on this territory several quasi state entities, and to subdue them in undivided form, to use their combined potential for the future struggle with china.

This is a mistake, including the excessive potential of those who worked for the confrontation with the soviet union. IT is necessary. The good rid of this, there should be new, fresh forces, people who look into the future and understand what is happening in the world.

Look at how indonesia developing six hundred million people. Where can we get away from that? nowhere. We just have to assume that indonesia will enter. IT is already in the club of the world's leading economies, no matter who likes IT or dislikes IT. Yes, we understand and are aware that in the united states, despite all economic problems.

the situation .

is still Normal. With the economy growing decently, the GDP is growing by two point five percent, if i'm not mistaken. But if we want to ensure the future, then we need to change our approach to what is changing.

As I already said, the world was nevertheless change regardless of how to develop depth in ukraine. And the world is changing and the united states themselves, experts are writing that the united states are nonetheless gradually changing their position in the world. IT is your experts who write that? I just read them.

The only question is how this would happen painfully and quickly, or gently and gradually. And this is written by people who are not, and I american. They simply follow global development trends that. And in order to assess them and change policies we need, people who think, look forward, can analyze and recommend certain decisions at the level of political leaders.

I just cept to ask, you've said clearly the nature expansion eawt is a violation of the promise you are made in eighteen ninety. It's a threat to your country rape. Before you send troops into ukraine, the vice president, nine states on community security conference, and encourage the president of ukraine to join nato. Do you think that was an effort to provoke you into military action?

Corrupt copt. I repeat, once again, we have .

repeatedly, repeatedly proposed to seek a solution to the problems that arose in ukraine after twenty fourteen. Could the town through peaceful means? But no one listens to us.

And moreover, the ukrainian leaders who were under the complete U. S. Control suddenly declare that they would not comply with the men's agreements. They dislike everything there. And continued military activity .

in the territory, mister Gloria, but need them.

And imperial. That territory was being exploded by nature, military structures under the guys of various personal training and retraining centres. They essentially begun to create bases there. That's all. Ukraine announced that the russians were a non titular nationality, while passing the laws that limit the rights of non itor nationalities in .

your in the ukraine.

having received all these self eastern territories as a gift from the russian people, suddenly announced that the russians were a non titular nationality in the territory. Is that Normal?

All this puts together LED to the decision .

to end the war that neonates started in ukraine in sweeny fourth ene.

Do you do you think lensky .

has the freedom to negotiate the settlement to this conflict?

I don't know the details. Of course it's difficult for me to judge, but I believe he has. In any case, he used to help his father fought against the fascists, nazis during worlds.

Ard two. I want to talk to him about this. I said, log, what are you doing? What are you supporting neo nazis in ukraine's today? While your father fought against fashion, he was a front line soldier.

I will not tell you what he answered. This is a separate topic, and I think it's incorrect for me to do so, but that's to the freedom of choice. Why not?

He came to power on the expectations of ukrainian people that he would lead ukraine to peace. He talked about this. IT was thanks to this that he won the elections overwhelmingly.

But then when he came to power, in my opinion, he realized two things. Firstly, IT is Better not to clash with neonates and nationalists because they are aggressive and very active, you can expect anything from them. And secondly, the U.

S. LED. West supports them and will always support those who and saga ized with russia. IT is beneficial and safe, so he took the relevant position. Despite promising his people to end the war in ukraine, he deceived his voters.

But do you think at this point, as a february twenty and twenty four, he has the attitude of freedom to speak with you, your government, directly, that I putting men to this, which could is in helping his country or the world. Can he do there? Do you think?

He considers .

himself head of station. He want the elections, although we believe in russia that the could the thought is the primary source of power for everything that happened after twenty thirteen. And in this sense, even today, government is flawed. But he considers himself to president, and he is recognized by the united states, all of europe and the rest of the world in such a capacity.

Why not? We negotiated with .

ukraine in the stadio. We agreed he was aware of this. Moreover, the negotiation group leader, mr. r. Ham, is his last name, I believe still has the faction of the ruling party, the party of the president in the rada. He still has the presidential faction in the rada, the country's parliament, he still sits there.

He even put his preliminary signature on the document I am telling you, but then he publicly stated to the whole world, we were ready to sign this document. But mister Johnson, then the prime minister of itai, came, suited us from doing this, saying IT was Better to fight rush. They would give everything needed for us to return what was lost during the clashes with brush a, and we agreed with this proposal.

Look, his statement has been published. He said IT publicly. Can they return .

to this or not?

The question is.

do they .

wanted or not? You crane issued the prohibitively, let him cancelled the degree, and that's IT. We have never refused negotiations.

Indeed, we hear all the time. Is russia really? Yes, we have not refused.

IT was then who public refused. Well, let him cancel his degree and answer into negotiations. We have never .

refused.

And the fact that they obey the demand or pursuing of mr. Johnson, the former prime minister of grate britain, seems ridiculous and very sad to me because as mr. Ara AI a put IT, we could have stopped those hostilities with more a year and a .

half ago already.

but the british persuaded us and we refuse this. Where is mr. Johnson now and the war continues.

That's a good question. Where do you think he is and why did he do that?

emotion.

There was a general starting point. For some reason, everyone had the illusion that russia could be defeated .

on the bottle field .

just because of arrogance, because of a pure heart, but not because of a great mind.

You've described other connection .

between russian ukraine. You've describe russia itself a couple of times, says orthodox, that central to understanding of russia. You've said your orthodox. What does that .

mean .

in for you? You're a Christian leader by your own description. So what effect does that have on you?

You .

know, as they are already mentioned, in one hundred and eight, prince blood himself as baptised, following the example of his grandmother, princess olga. Then he babb ized his squad. And then gradually, over the course of several years, he bbp dizened all the rules. IT was a linking process from pagan to Christ.

He took many years .

in the end, this, or doxy eastern crucian ity, deeply rooted in the consciousness .

of the russian people.

When russia expanded, absorb other nations who profess islam, doister and judaism. Russia has always been very loyal to those people who profess are their religions. This is her strength.

This is absolutely clear. And the fact is that the main postulates, main values are very similar, not to say the same in all world religions. I've just mentioned that which are the traditional religions of the russian federation.

you not see what .

I see right away. Russian authorities were always very careful about the culture and the religion of those people who came into the russian empire.

This, in my opinion, forms the .

basis of both security and stability of the russian statehood. All the people's inhabitant, russia, basically consider at their motherhood, you say people move over to you or to europe, from that in america. And even clear and more understandable example, people come, but yet they have come to you or to european countries from their historical .

homeless in people who .

profess different religions in russia, consider russia their motherland. They have .

no other other together.

This is one big family, and our traditional values are very similar. I've just mentioned one big family, but everyone has his, her own family. And this is the basis of our society. And if we say that the motherland and the family are specifically connected with each other.

IT is indeed the case.

since IT is impossible to ensure a Normal future for children and our families unless we ensure a Normal, sustainable future for the entire country, for the .

motherland.

That is why patriotic sentiment is so strong in russia.

no. Can I see? The one way in which .

the religions are different is that Christians is specifically in non violent religion. Jesus says, turn the other cheek. Don't kill.

How can a leader who has to kill of any country? How can a leader be a Christian? How do you reconcile that to yourself?

As they should see there, IT is very .

easy when IT comes to protecting oneself and one's family. One's we want attack anyone.

When did the development .

ukraine start? Since they could dette and the hostilities in dombes begun, that's when they started. And we are protecting our people, ourselves, our homeless .

and our future.

As for religion in general.

glow with pool.

you know it's not about external manifestations. It's not about going to church every day or banging your head on the floor.

Getting a IT is .

in the, and our culture is so human oriented does the eski, who was very well known into the west, and the genius of russian culture, russian literature, spoke a lot about this, about the russian soul.

I, after all, western .

societies, more magmatic russian people think more about the eternal, about moral values. I don't know, maybe you won't agree with me, but western culture is more pragmatic. After all.

i'm not saying this is bad IT makes this possible .

for today's golden billion to achieve good success in production, even in .

science and so on.

There's nothing wrong with that. I'm just saying that we kind of look the same.

Do you see the supernatural network as you .

look out across what's .

happening in the world now? Do you see got at work, do you ever think to yourself? These are forces that are not human?

To be honor, I .

don't. So my opinion is that the development of the world community is in accordance with inherent laws, and those laws are .

what they are.

It's always been this way. In the history of mankind, some nations and countries rose, became stronger and more numerous, and then left the international stage, losing the status.

They had the customs. 现在 there is .

probably a no need for me to give examples， but we could start with the king is han and hord conquers the golden hord, and then end with the roman and IT. Seems that there has never been anything like the roman empire.

The history of ma mother less the .

potential of the burberry ans gradually grew as they, their population in general, the burden arians, were getting stronger and begun to develop economically, as we would say today.

to creep .

this, eventually like to pick collapse of the roman empire and the regime imposed by the romans.

However, IT took .

five centuries for the roman empire .

fall apart.

The difference is, what happening .

now is that all the .

processes of change are happening at the much faster pace than in roman size.

So when does the AI empire start, do you think?

asking.

Increasingly more complicated questions to answer them, you need to be an expert in big numbers, big data. And A I monkey is currently facing many threats due to the genetic researchers. IT is now possible to create this superhuman, a specialized human being, a genetically engineered athlete, scientist, military men. There are reports that elon musk e has already had the chip implanted in the human brain in the U. S.

A. great. What do you think .

of that?

no. Musk, yeah. The mushroom.

musk. Well, I think there is no stopping elon. He will do as he sees fit.

Never the less you need to find some common ground with him, search for ways to persuade him. I think he's a smart person. I truly believe he is. So you need to reach an agreement with him, because this process needs to be formalized .

and subjected to certain. He has to consider what .

is going to happen due to the new development genetic, or in A I.

what can .

make an proximate prediction .

of what will happen 按钮。 Once main felt an existential .

threat coming from nuclear weapons, all nuclear nations began to come to terms with one another. Since they realized the negligent use of nuclear, we could drive humanity .

to IT is impossible to stop research .

and genetics or A I today, just as IT was impossible to stop the use of gunpowder .

back in the day, bird look, literally is the but as soon as we .

realize that the threat comes from unbridled and and control development of A I or genetics or any other field, the time will come to reach an international agreement on how to regulate .

these things. I appreciate .

all the time you've given us can ask you win less question. And that's about someone who's very famous in the united tes, probably not here. Evening urged to this, whose the well street journal reporter he started to, and he's been in prison for almost a year. This is a huge story in the united states. And I just want to ask you directly, without getting into the tales of IT to your version of what happened, if, as a sign of your decency, you will be willing to release him to us and we'll bring him back to the united states.

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We have done so .

many gestures of goods out of decency that I think we have run out of them. No, we have never seen anyone reciprocate .

to us in a similar manner. 多。

However, in theory, we can say that we do not rule out that we can do that. Partners cake with super cal steps.

When I talk about .

the partners, I first of all referred to special .

services.

Special services are in contact with one another. They are talking about the matter in question.

There is no taboo .

o to settle this issue. We are willing .

to sole, but there are .

certain terms being discussed to via special services channels.

I believe an agreement .

can be reached.

So typically, I mean, this stuff has happened for obviously centuries. One country catches under spy with that its orders IT trades IT for a one of its own. Until guys in another country. I think what makes you in is not my business, but what makes this difference as guys are obviously not us.

But I is a kid and maybe he was breaking your on some way, but he's not a super spy and everybody knows that and he's being held hostage and exchange, which is true with respect is true and ever knows is true. So maybe he's in a different category. Maybe it's not fair to ask for you know somebody else in exchange for a wedding amount, maybe of the grades, russia to do that.

But you know.

you can give a different interpretations to what constitutes by, but there are certain things provided by law. If person gets secret information and does that in conspiratorial manner, then this is a qualified as as pianos. And that is exactly what he was doing.

He was receiving classified, confidential information, and he did IT covertly. Maybe he did that out of carelessness or his own initiative. Considering the sheer fact this is qualify this span.

The fact has been proven as he was cut red handed when he was receiving this information. If IT had been some far fetched excuse, some fabrication, something not proven, IT would have been different story then. But he was caught red handed when he was secretly getting confidential information. You, what is IT?

But are you suggested he was working for the U. S. Government or nato or he was just a reporter who was given material. He wasn't supposed to have. Those seem very different, very different things.

Don't know who he was .

working for, but I would like to reiterate that getting classified the information in secret is gold pioneer, and he was working for the U. S. Special services, some other agencies. I don't think he was working for mona co. As monarchy is hardly interested in getting that information, IT is up to a special services to .

comes to an agreement.

Some ground work has been laid. There are people who, in our view, are not connected with special service. Let me tell you a story about a person serving a sentence in an country of the u.

The .

person, due to patriotic sentiments, eliminate the demanded in one of the european .

capitals during .

the events in the caucuses. Do you know .

what he was doing?

I don't want to say that, but I will do IT anyway. He was laying our soldiers, taken prisoner on the road, and then draw his car over their heads. What kind of person is that? Can he even .

be called human?

But there was a patria who eliminated him in one of the .

european capitals for two years.

Whether he did IT of his own violation or not, that is a different question.

I mean, that's a completely different. I an committed something .

different.

He's not just the .

journalist I treated. He is a journalist who was secretly getting come potential information.

Yes, IT is different.

But still i'm talking about other people who are essentially controlled by the U. S. Authorities wherever they are serving a sentence, there is an ongoing dialogue between the special services. This has to be resolved in a con, responsible and professional manner. They're keeping in touch, so let them do their work.

I do not rule .

out that the person you referred to, mister gurkhas, may return to his motherland by the end of the day. IT does not make any sense to keep him in prison. In russia, we want the U.

S. Special services to think about how they can contribute to achieving the goals our special services are pursuing. We are ready to talk. Moreover, the dogs are on their way, and there have been many successful examples of these stocks crown with success. Probably this is going to be crowned with success as well.

but we have .

to come to an agreement.

I hope a lot amount is present.

Thank you. I also want him .

to return to his hometown. The last, i'm absolutely sincere, but let me say once again, the dialogue continues. The more public we render things of this nature, the more difficult that becomes to resolve them. Everything has to be done in colomer.

I wonder if I wonder if that with the war though, also, I mean, I just want I guess I want ask one more question, which is and maybe you don't want to say so for strategic reasons, but are you worried that what's happening in ukraine could lead to something much larger and much more horrible? And how motivated are you just to call the U. S. Government and say, let's come to terms.

I already said that we did .

not refuse to talk. We're willingness to negotiate. IT is the western side, and ukraine is obviously a satellite state of the U.

S. IT is evident. I do not want you to take IT as if I am looking for a strong word or ancel. But we both understand what is happening.

The financial .

support, seventy two billion U. S. Dollars was provided. Germany ranks second. Then other european .

countries come a dozens .

of billions of U. S. Dollars into you. Are there a huge plex weapons? In this case, you should tell the current ukrainian and leadership to stop and comes to negotiating table, resent the absurd we did not refuse.

sure. You already said that I didn't think you mean is an insult because you already said correctly, it's been reported that ukrainy was prevented from negotiating a piece settlement by the former british prime minister acting on behalf of the by administration s and of course, satellite. Big countries control small countries. That's not new. And that's why I asked about dealing directly with the by administration, which is making these decisions, not presidents of lsc y of ukraine.

Yesterday means no, also of yes.

Well, if this olenski's administration in ukraine refused to negotiate, I assume they did IT under the instruction from washington. Washington believes IT to be the wrong decision. Let IT abandon IT. Let me find a delicate excuse so that no one is insulted. Let IT come .

up with the way out.

IT was not us who made this decision. IT was. So let them go back.

However, they made the wrong decision. And now we have .

to look for a way out of the situation to correct their mistakes. They did IT, so let them corrected themselves. We support this. So I just want to make sure .

i'm not misunderstanding what you're saying. I don't think of him. I think you're saying you want a negotiated to what's happening in ukraine.

right? And we .

made IT. We prepare the huge document and instable that was initiated by the head of the ukrainian allegation. He had fixed his signature to some of the provisions, not to all of that.

He put his signature, and then he himself said, we were ready to sign IT. And the war would have been over long ago, been month ago. However, prime minister Johnson came, talked out of IT.

And with, is that chance? Well, you miss ted, you made a mistake. Let them get back to that. That is all.

Why do we have to bother ourselves and correct somebody else's mistakes? I know one can say if is our mistake, IT was us who intensify the situation and decided to put the end to the war that started in, as I have already said, by means of weapons. Let me get back to furthering history I already .

told you we were .

just discussing, let us go back to nineteen and ninety one when we were promised that nato would not expand to two thousand and eight when the door senator opens to the declaration of state surrender ty of ukraine, declaring ukraine a neutral state. Let us go back to the fact that nato and U. S.

Military basis started to appear on the territory, ukraine, creating threats to let us go back to cut the toe in ukraine in twenty fourteen. IT is pointless, though isn't IT. We may go back and fourth endlessly ly, but they stopped negotiations.

I should use IT a mistake. Yes, correct. We are ready. What else is needed?

Do you think it's too humility at this point for nato to accept russian control of what was two years ago, ukrainian territory?

Yes, yes, because I said so.

let them think how to do IT with dignity. There are options if there is a will up.

And so now there is .

been the Opera and screaming about the food, gic defeat and russia on the model field.

Now they are apparently coming .

to realize that this is difficult to achieve, if possible at all. In my opinion, IT is impossible by definition. IT is never going to happen. IT seems to me that now those who are empower in the west have come to realize this as well.

别说 i if so.

if the realization has set in, they have to think what to do next. We are ready for this dialogue.

Would you be willing to say, congratulations nato, you won. And just keep the situation where IT is now.

Was like to go you know.

IT is a subject matter for the negotiations. No one is willing to conduct or to put IT more .

accurately.

Willing, but do not know to I know they want IT. IT is not just I see IT, but I know they do want IT, but they're struggling to understand how to do that. They have driven the situation to the point where we are at IT is not us who have done that.

IT is our partner's opponents who have done that well. Now let them think how to reverse the situation. We're not against IT IT would be funny if I were .

not so sad, this endless mobilization .

in ukraine, the history, the domestic problems, sooner later, IT will result in .

agreement. You this probably sounds .

strange to given the current situation.

but the relations between .

the two schools will be rebuilt anyway.

IT will take .

a lot of time.

but they will heal. I'll give .

you very unusual .

examples.

There is a combat encounter on the bottles field here. Specific example, ukrainian soldiers get them circled. This is an example from real life. Our soldiers were shouting to them, there is no chance, surrender yourselves, come out and will be alive.

Suddenly.

the ukrainian soldiers were scaling from there in russian, perfect russian, saying, russians do not surrender and all of them perish. They still identify .

themselves as russian. What is .

happening is, to a certain extent, and element of a civil war, everyone in the west, things that the russian people have been split by hostiles forever. No, they will be reunited. The unity is still there.

Why are the .

ukrainian authorities dismantling the ukrainian orthodox church?

Because IT brings .

together not only the terrors, IT brings together our souls. No one will be able to separate the soul.

Shall we end here? Or is there anything else?

No, I think that's great. present.

Thank you for prison.