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Inventing God: Psychology of Belief and the Rise of Secular Spirituality

2024/11/19
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Jon Mills: 本期节目探讨了心理分析的演变,从弗洛伊德的早期理论到当代实践的转变。Mills 详细阐述了心理分析师的工作内容、治疗方法以及面对各种心理问题的应对策略,包括焦虑、抑郁、人际关系冲突等。他还深入探讨了童年创伤对个人和家庭的跨代影响,以及在全球性挑战面前理解人类行为的复杂性。Mills 认为,现代心理分析更注重人际关系和患者的主观体验,而非单纯的技术手段。他强调了非评判性倾听的重要性,以及在治疗过程中建立信任关系的必要性。 Jon Mills: 在讨论暴力和侵略性方面,Mills 阐述了弗洛伊德关于人类本性中存在着相互对立的“生之欲”和“死之欲”的观点。他认为,攻击性和破坏性是人类固有的特质,需要被引导和转化。他同时指出,许多暴力行为并非源于纯粹的本能冲动,而是具有道德或理性动机,例如报复、维护尊严等。Mills 还分析了社会环境、意识形态和宗教狂热等因素对暴力行为的影响,并以普京、哈马斯等为例,说明了个人心理因素和社会因素的相互作用。 Jon Mills: 在探讨信仰和世俗灵性方面,Mills 认为,对上帝的信仰既有个人心理需求(如对安全感和归属感的渴望),也有社会文化因素(如从小接受的宗教教育)。他区分了对上帝存在的信仰和宗教实践,并指出,即使不相信上帝,人们仍然可以追求精神上的满足和意义感。他认为,世俗灵性可以体现在对自然的热爱、艺术创作、人际关系等方面,而并非仅仅依赖于宗教信仰。 Michael Shermer: Shermer 在节目中提出了对心理分析疗法有效性评估的质疑,认为缺乏对照组使得评估其疗效存在困难。他指出,大众媒体对暴力事件的报道存在选择性偏差,容易夸大社会暴力程度。他认为,许多暴力行为都具有道德性质,源于报复、维护尊严等动机,而非纯粹的工具性目的。他还探讨了人类文明面临的各种威胁,包括核战争、环境危机和人口过剩等。Shermer 对人类文明的未来持相对悲观的观点,但他同时指出,与历史上相比,如今的社会暴力程度有所下降。

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What is the primary focus of Jon Mills' book 'Inventing God'?

The book explores the psychology of belief and the rise of secular spirituality, examining how the concept of God has evolved and how people find meaning without traditional religion.

How does Jon Mills describe the contemporary practice of psychoanalysis compared to the classical stereotype?

Mills describes contemporary psychoanalysis as radically different from the classical stereotype of a bearded analyst on a couch. It is more about a clinical attitude and sensibility rather than rigid techniques.

What are some common issues people seek help for in psychoanalysis?

People often seek help for long-term conflicts rooted in childhood traumas, anxiety, depression, relationship struggles, and work-related problems. Adolescents and adults present a wide range of issues.

How does Jon Mills differentiate between short-term and long-term psychoanalytic treatment?

Short-term treatment focuses on immediate concerns, while long-term treatment explores recurring patterns from unresolved childhood conflicts that manifest in various aspects of life.

What does Jon Mills say about the efficacy of psychoanalysis?

Mills acknowledges that psychoanalysis is subjective and tailored to individual needs. While it can improve a person's life, it's challenging to quantify its effectiveness across large groups due to the uniqueness of each person's experience.

How does Jon Mills explain the dual forces in human nature according to Freud?

Mills explains that Freud proposed two competing forces: the will toward life (eros) and the will toward death (thanatos). These forces manifest as caring and aggressive propensities, constantly interacting within individuals and society.

What does Jon Mills say about the moralization of aggression?

Mills suggests that an overly harsh or judgmental superego can harness aggressive energies to justify harmful actions, leading people to act out on principles or ideals, even to the point of justifying violence.

How does Jon Mills view the decline of violence in modern society?

Mills acknowledges the decline in violence but remains concerned about existential risks, such as nuclear war and environmental collapse, which could still threaten civilization.

What does Jon Mills say about the transmission of trauma across generations?

Mills explains that trauma can be transmitted through attachment patterns and family dynamics, where unresolved traumas affect how parents relate to their children, potentially reactivating past issues.

What does Jon Mills think about the rise in mental health issues among youth?

Mills attributes the rise in mental health issues among youth to a combination of factors, including the pandemic, excessive screen time, and a lack of in-person social interactions, though he notes that the causes are overdetermined.

What is Jon Mills' view on the concept of God and its evolution?

Mills believes that the need for God arises from various motivations, including conditioning, the desire for a comforting attachment figure, and the need for self-regulation. He distinguishes between the concept of God and organized religion.

How does Jon Mills explain the oceanic feeling described by Freud?

Mills describes the oceanic feeling as a sensation of limitlessness and eternity, which can be a source of religious energy. It is a subjective experience that does not necessarily imply personal immortality or belief in a deity.

What is Jon Mills' next project in writing?

Mills is currently working on a critique of critical social justice within the field of psychoanalysis, focusing on the impact of wokeness on the profession.

Shownotes Transcript

Michael Shermer interviews Jon Mills, a psychoanalyst and philosopher, on a variety of topics, including the evolution of psychoanalysis, the dynamics of therapeutic relationships, and the psychological roots of aggression and trauma. Mills explains Freud’s lasting influence, the moral implications of aggression, and the role violence plays in society. The conversation also explores how trauma affects individuals and families across generations and the difficulty of understanding human behavior when faced with global challenges.

The discussion extends to broader issues such as individuality, the struggles faced by modern youth, and the evolution of belief in God. Shermer and Mills discuss how technology impacts mental health and the pursuit of spirituality without relying on traditional religion.

Jon Mills, PsyD, PhD, ABPP, is a philosopher, psychoanalyst, and clinical psychologist. His two latest books are Inventing God: Psychology of Belief and the Rise of Secular Spirituality, and End of the World: Civilization and its Fate.