Abbey Sharp | Stop Falling for Influencer Diet Fads, Carnivore Diet, Food Combining, Gut Health, and More
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What's up, guys? It's Sam and Taylor. And we want you to put your shoes on, pop open that energy drink, and go. Hello, guys. Welcome back to another episode. I'm Taylor. And I'm Sam. This week, we are joined by the one and only Abby Sharp, which has been something we've been trying to schedule and get done for so many weeks now. And it's finally here, finally coming out, and so excited about it. Yeah.

It's so fun. I'm so excited. I even said it in the episode to her. I was like, I literally remember like years ago, five, six, seven years ago, I don't even remember, coming across one of her YouTube videos and just being like starstruck at like the content she was putting out. So you guys are going to get some good information from her. Yes, 100%. But before that, of course, we need to catch up and talk about...

Our lives. Which I think is so funny. When I post clips of this on TikTok. Like...

People don't realize that there's a whole hour episode and they're like, this is what you talk about. I thought it was a fitness podcast. I know. Or they'll be like, it's mostly boys that get. Oh, yeah. Rest, but they're like, oh my God, just two stupid girls with a podcast. Like who the fuck listens to this? I'm like, do you guys, do you not know how pockets work? Like also we're trying to clickbait you right now. Yeah. Like thank you for commenting on the video. You did exact. You did exactly what was expected of you. I know. Um,

But it's also like who doesn't like two stupid girls talking on a podcast? It's fun. Yeah, you guys always say too. You're like, I feel like I'm on FaceTime or like a phone call with my friends. And I love that. I want that to be the vibes because I'm now like an avid podcast listener and I listen to a few podcasts and I feel that when I listen to their podcast. So I'm like, wow, it's crazy that you guys get the same enjoyment out of like what I'm doing right now. For sure. Full circle moment. Yep. So there's a few things that we need to touch on that are –

prevalent in our lives at the moment. Number one just happened. Yeah. Within the last two hours. It's really fresh. Just happened. So I got this is a second comment on my TikTok of someone saying I didn't know how to feel about you. Like I thought I didn't like you but now I actually like you a lot which

I don't know how to take that as a compliment or not, but that's the second time someone said that. So I'm like, I'm glad people are maybe coming around. But anyways, someone said that and I made a video back to it. And then Sam was like, oh, my God, did you not notice the girl that just said that is the girl that got exposed for having a year and a half long Reddit thread about how much she hates us?

And I literally was crackling downstairs because Taylor was upstairs getting ready. And I was like, I can't believe she didn't realize this. Like, this girl for a year and a half, like Taylor just mentioned, like, would start Reddit threads, but on an anonymous profile. So we mentioned on the podcast, like, when this kind of all went down, like, Goob University, if you find him on Instagram, he, like, exposes people on the internet for, like,

Just being a troll. Shady shit. Yeah, being like terrible people. And so he reached out to us. He was like, hey, like, can we make this video of like this girl? She's been doing all this. And we were just like dying. We're like, this is like, is this real life? People actually do this? But anyway, and then at full circle moment, come to realize she's a fan of us now in a good way. Yeah. And I mean, it's like, I guess like, hey, girl, like.

Glad to have you, you know, on the positive side of things, but also like, what the fuck? No, it's not. She's like definitely covering it up. She got exposed like a month ago and all of a sudden likes us now. Yeah. She didn't like us for almost two years talking about stupid shit about us.

And jealousy. So that's super funny and interesting. I did get... One thing I did get from her after watching the goob, like his video, he made like a 30-second long video exposing this girl. And one of the comments she made on Reddit was saying that me and Taylor are her Beckas. And I was like...

or her becks. And I had to like Google that. I'm like, what the fuck is a Beck? So I Google it and it's short for a Rebecca, which is also short or not short, but like an other term for Karen. And I was like, no way. Like, so ever since I've been using Rebecca for something that like pisses me off, I'm like, you're being a Rebecca right now. Sorry to all the Rebecca's listening right now. Literally don't take it to offense. Um,

But yeah, so now we have a Rebecca in our life and that is our neighbor. Yeah, our neighbor really pisses us off big time. She's like going to catch these hands. Like if I see her in person, like we're going to have to like throw down.

I would kind of explain to you guys how our driveways are set up. So it's like one driveway type thing and all the garages are together. Yeah, they all face each other. So it's like an alley with garages on either side. But it's a one lane road. Yes, one lane road. One lane road. There's no two ways back and forth. And our neighbor directly across from us parks her car.

outside of her parking garage so we can't even like get in and out of our parking garage it's the most annoying thing ever it's so like i will i'm like it's i have to do like an eight point turn to get out of the garage because she's parked there yeah and like a lot of our neighborhood is set up with garages like that and you do not see another car parked like that there like maybe for a few seconds to do something in their garage that they need their car yeah but not

All the time as their parking space. And if you don't want to park in the garage, there's other places to put your car. She has a front lawn. She can park in the front of her house or on the side of her house. But she chooses to go right where the garage is where I'm trying to get in and out. And it's super annoying. And Sam left a note on her car. I did leave a note on her car. And the note stayed there for more than 24 hours. She did not go to her car once for 24 hours. And then she finally went out to her car and...

and took the note off but kept the car there. And I was like, wow, that's a major like... Yeah, that's a bull... Major fuck you to us. So I was like, damn. But it's okay. She is one of two wives to the husband at that house. So...

she comes and goes every other week and there's a new like wife in the house. Like it's every, I don't know what the circumstances are, but like she might just be like a man. No, I swear she's not with the kids. I don't think so. They look like pretty much like very like, and then when she's there, the other one's not there.

i don't know it's rotating it's the weirdest thing anyway so she's here like every other week and when she is here she parks like an ass so i've been calling her a rebecca i'm like rebecca's back in town yeah and like honestly what i'm scared about is like one day we're gonna like hit her car by accident because it's hard it's hard to get out and it's hard to get in it's hard to get in yeah it makes it way harder to get in the garage way harder to get out to get out of the garage

And like one day I'm going to literally hit your Tesla by accident. Fuck. First word problems. Damn it. I literally like and it's like, sorry, like you're literally like, what do you expect if you park three feet from where I have to back my car? I know. And I think we also need to recap on last week's podcast, Taylor. Yeah, there's apologies due clarifications to be made.

So if you listened to last week, you heard me saying how this boy did this thing. You can go listen to it. I'm not going to recap the full thing. You can go back and listen if you don't know what I'm talking about. But long story short, I thought he asked one of my friends on a date. He didn't. So our friend got a little mix up and it was an Instagram DM from someone with like the same first name and it wasn't him.

Yeah. And it do be like that sometimes. And so we told one of our other friends, we were like, hey, like,

did you know this happened and he was like what the fuck is he stupid who would do that yeah so then we were like what do we do about it he just thought it was funny um so then he asked him about it and he was like what are you talking about like why would i do that and and i didn't believe him at first i was like you're covering it up right now like i'm gonna i'm texting her no i was like i'm texting her right now show me the proof and then that's when she was like wait um wrong hunter i was like oh my god you just stirred up the pot for no reason you can't say their name oh shit

Can you bleep it out? Can we bleep it out? Casey, will you please bleep out the name? Thank you. I'm a podcaster. I should know not to say someone's name. Damn it. Anyway. Speaking of this individual, on top of that, I also posted...

I was doing like show a picture of your favorites yesterday and I did a collage of my friends with someone asked show me a favorite like so many picture your favorite friends. I'm like I'm not doing one friend. Fuck that. So I did a collage of all my friends. I did all my friends and then one of the photos in there was me and our guy friends with his hand around me from like

months ago and I never got the opportunity to post because I was like if I post this people are gonna think we're like dating because it's such like a we're dating photo and the amount of swipes I got to be everyone be like oh my god is this like the slow reveal like I was like guys no that is not a slow reveal that'd be a hard launch I know yes and no like it's it was kind of hard to notice face though yeah but it was hard to notice there was so much pictures going on I guess I don't know anyway this this man's

he's a silly man but like it was just really funny because we'd already like talked about it on the podcast like i was so pissed like it was like a really like relevant thing in our lives just for it to not even be true at all and once we found out that it didn't happen i was like oh we talked about it on the podcast so oops and i've now like or last night i literally wanted to quit this job

Yeah, I'm really happy that you're still here today. I almost didn't come today. Stayed in your room? No, seriously. Didn't come as if there's like a commute?

No, seriously, I almost didn't come today, guys, because I was so embarrassed. We talk about our lives to you guys because like I feel like this is for girls only. And I feel like we need to start clarifying that in like the intro to this podcast, because when we talk about this type of stuff, luckily, our friends don't listen, which is great. Love that. They definitely have. OK, maybe. But that's I don't even know. Anyways, but guys that are like.

In a flirtatious... Flirtatious? What am I even saying? Guys that I'm hitting on and are hitting on me at the gym, I talk about on here. And I seem to have that same situation where they listen to the podcast every single time and then they text me. And then I get so embarrassed, my face turns into a fucking tomato. I don't know how to respond back, so I ignore them. And then because I ignored them, then they get pissed and then they double text me and they go, okay, like whatever. And then I'm like...

What are you talking about? So, it's just like, if you're a dude, it's not for dudes that we know. It could be for dudes. Yeah. But not... Like, if you know me in a... I wish you could block people on, like, Spotify. Oh, my God. The things I would do. But, like...

Yeah, it definitely could be a detrimental career choice. It really does. It ruins any potential I have with a man. Or even just like I just said friend drama that wasn't even true to tens of thousands of people on the internet. I know. So it's like you know it's hard. He wanted to take me on a coffee date and now we're not going. Wait, like it's ruined? Yeah. He told me to fuck off. No, he didn't.

No, I'm kidding. No, but we were supposed to go on a coffee date, but we can't anymore because he tore his hamstring. So next week. Let's see if this is a cover-up. Tore his hamstring, can't drink coffee. Yeah, I guess he's been parallel all day. Horizontal. I didn't know if you meant to say paralyzed. Paralyzed.

I was like parallel. No, horizontal. Parallel to a bed. Yeah. I get what you mean. That's okay. I'm trying to think if anything else happened. When you listen to this, this weekend, Friday, if you listen right on time. We're in San Diego. Oh, yeah. It's going to be so much fun. It's my first. I'll sing about this. My first adult trip. Adult friend trip.

trip vacation yeah we're like it's not like yeah so that's super fun and it's gonna be a good time so next week's catch up you already know it's gonna be and i definitely want to get our friends on the podcast at some point i don't know yeah would you guys like

Friends on the podcast? Like our guy friends on the podcast? We need them to get like warmed up in front of the camera first because I don't know. This is a big jump. It is. I feel like warming them up to like the YouTube channel which we've done. I'm gonna do a lot of vlogging in San Diego like real vlogging so they're gonna get used to it but like you know that episode we did with Brad about like the boy advice stuff? It'd be funny to like bring our guy friends on. I just feel like I don't know if I don't trust them enough to say stupid shit.

Yeah, but this is why we have Casey to edit our podcast. Yeah, that's true. I just feel like they're going to be stupid. Yeah. I mean, I don't know.

This week has been a pretty good week besides all of this random drama stuff. I have gone down to watch The Sunset with Macro, I think, three times this week or since we last talked with you guys. It is so peaceful. I'm so happy that the weather is cooling down a little bit because now I can actually walk outside and enjoy it. Yeah, the weather cooling down is big. It's so nice because it's still warm. It's not cold. It's just not.

unbearable. Like, you can enjoy the outdoors and, like, enjoy the warm weather without, like, hating it. Yeah. It hasn't been too bad. We didn't go to flag football this week just because we're super busy and I'm, like, trying to get ahead of work. I went to dance. The fitness app is hopefully finishing up things on that and I've been working on that. So...

We've been chilling work-wise, hanging out. What did we do on Sunday? What did we do on Sunday? Went to our friend's house to watch the football. We didn't go out this weekend. I was a good... No, we didn't. We really didn't. I was very good. And I'm happy I didn't because this is really amping up this coming weekend in San Diego. And...

I don't know. I'm still trying to figure out like what I want. I go through phases of like liking drinking and then hating it and then getting anxious from it. And like I just so many different phases and I'm trying to figure out what phase I'm in right now. I think mine like the way like I've decided on like labeling it. It's just like.

being conscious like consciously drinking not just like mindlessly like drinking for no reason like going out to bars and being like consciously making a choice of like how many drinks you're getting like when you're drinking them like actually being aware of it and like taking it slow and like what's making you feel better what's gonna make you feel worse rather than just like unconsciously

Like just drinking to drink. Yeah. I think my, the reason I don't like to drink as much is just because the hangovers are the worst for me. Like I get so hung over and then it backs me up so much and,

And also, like, not being on birth control has kind of made me not want to drink as much. You guys can, you know, go with your assumptions on that as to what I'm referring to. So that's just, like, another reason. I didn't know that was a reason. Well, I mean, yeah, like, I don't know. Like, when I usually go out, like, it used to be, like, to, like, I don't know, have a fun time with a boy. And, like, there's just...

I don't want to. You still can. I can, but I don't want to. San Diego, baby. The thing is, like, I just don't want to because, first of all, guys, updates on the birth control thing. I have not gotten my period, like, once being off of birth control. I had... You got it once. I had a spot bleed for, like, an hour that time. Oh. That was, like, nothing. So...

I'm not sure when I'm going to get my period. I hope I can get it soon. Some people were telling me it took three months. Some people were telling me it took six months. Some people were telling me a year. So I don't know. I'm going with the flow. We'll see what happens. Yeah, I mean, do you? Mm-hmm. And, you know, we're chilling. No boys, no nothing. Just me, myself, and...

In your parallel... In my parallel bed. But anyways, I feel like that...

A hundred percent. Yeah, I think that's pretty caught up. That's good. Yeah, I think you guys are pretty caught up. Next week, catch up after our trip. It's going to be super duper fun. But now let's get into why you guys are here. And that is our interview with the one and only Abby Sharp. So now we are here with Abby Sharp. I feel like you are just like the internet's dietitian, like YouTube's dietitian, like the master dietitian of the internet. If you want to give a little background intro on who you are and what you do, that'd be great.

Yeah, so thank you so much. That was a very nice introduction. So I, I'm a full time content creator, YouTuber, TikTok, blogger, you name it. And really, I'm kind of like a non diet dietitian. So, you know, you say like the internet's dietitian, I'm all about helping folks achieve a sense of food freedom, especially in this kind of social media age where diet culture is alive and well.

And basically everyone and their grandmother is trying to tell you to eat less or cut things out of your diet. So I really have a more additive approach to nutrition. And I've really made a name for myself on the internet, on YouTube and TikTok for taking down diet culture,

And my like kind of signature format is taking a look at some of these problematic what I eat in a day videos that we see so often on social media and helping people make more sense out of the claims and some of the restrictive eating patterns that we see. A hundred percent. And I think that is just so helpful to so many people, even though I know it can be

maybe tie you up in a bit of controversy time to time because, you know, it's a very sensitive topic that people like to give their opinions in. I think what's good about it to me is just the idea of like informed consent. Like you may not like, like maybe some people are like, oh, I don't agree with her saying this or like looking at someone's this, but you're just giving people the information and they can do as they please. Yeah.

And I mean, the reality is we can say that about literally any person putting content out on the internet. You know, the way that social media works now between YouTube and TikTok and all the other platforms is that anyone can be a quote unquote expert. And so a lot of folks may see a good looking woman on TikTok or Instagram and follow what they do as gospel, assuming that they know what they're talking about because they have a nice body. Yeah.

And so that obviously is not the case necessarily. And a lot of the time, some of the things that we see them promoting are potentially dangerous or problematic. And so my job as a dietitian is to really help people unpack that and understand that, you know, everybody is unique. Everyone's needs are unique. And to just really present the science in a fun, entertaining way.

because, you know, an anecdote from one influencer is not how nutrition research works. Yeah, no, I definitely agree with what you're saying that it's not like one size fits all. One person's right, the other is wrong. Like it's always great to have other people's inputs. But I will definitely say I'm fangirling quite a bit that we're having you on the podcast because kind of touching based on what Taylor said with how you're trying to get rid of like

The rules in, you know, diet, you helped me a lot with that. I remember I was hopping from diet to diet and being so restricted. And when I found you on YouTube, and I'm not big on YouTube, but I happened to be on YouTube one day and I saw one of your thumbnails and it was super like,

Not clickbaity, but it was just intriguing. So I was like, I want to click on this video and watch it. And I can't remember exactly who the video was about in their full day of eating, but you were just going left and right with all these rules saying that like, no, you can eat carbs whenever or this breakfast like it's too small, not enough protein. And I was like,

so in on your videos. I was like, wow, like eating food is not this complicated. It's actually quite simple. So I really, really love your content. Oh, thank you. I'm really glad that it has been helpful and resonated. Yes, of course. I wanted to touch on a little something. You said how everyone like kind of thinks they're they're an expert. I think a big thing

like area of like misconception around all of that is like nutritionist, health coach, nutrition coach, all of these like food. It seems like anyone can grab a title of like, I can think of something like holistic, like anything off the internet and claim like,

like they have knowledge and just kind of like what the difference is between like a dietitian and one of those online certifications like for people that don't know yeah that's a really great question and definitely something that most folks don't understand so I can't speak to every single international jurisdiction because of course every jurisdiction has different rules around language but generally speaking all dietitians are nutritionists but

But not all nutritionists are dietitians or holistic nutritionists or health coaches, etc. And how we know this is that basically nutritionist in a lot of jurisdictions, including where I am in Canada, is not a regulated term.

So anyone can call themselves a nutritionist. My dog could be a nutritionist if he wanted. My little toddler could too. And so it doesn't necessarily require any specific training or regulation or education the same way that becoming a registered dietitian does because

being a registered dietitian is a regulated profession. So just like, you know, doctors are a regulated profession, we have a college that we have to report to, to ensure the safety to the public and to ensure that we are presenting evidence-based information. We're practicing from an evidence-based framework. And so that's where, you know, some of the things that we will put out there as dietitians are maybe...

not as going to be as sensationalized and sexy as some of the other content that you see out there from like wellness influencers or gurus or experts. And that's because we have to speak the truth. We have to speak what the science actually says. We can't just pull something out of our ass and say, because it sounds exciting and it'll help us sell a book or a program. So, you know, it's, it's a bit of a buyer beware thing.

And I don't want to belittle, you know, any of these other kind of allied health, nutritionists, health coaches, et cetera. There are a lot of great, amazing practitioners out there who are not registered dietitians who do practice from an evidence-based framework. But just generally speaking, it's a bit of a buyer beware because you know what you're getting, that you're getting an evidence-based practitioner when you're working with a dietitian versus with a nutritionist, you kind of have to, you know, know what, you

you have to do your own research, I guess, to understand their background, their philosophy. Um, are they practicing from an evidence-based place, et cetera. So dietitians have to have a minimum minimum of an undergraduate. I believe they're now changing that to having to have a master's degree minimum, and then have to also do an internship, um,

or a certified master's program. And then we also have to do like continuing education and write exams regularly and do a lot of things to make sure that our education is up to date. Yeah, I think that's just important for a lot of people to know to understand where their information is coming from. So I totally agree there could be so many people that may be

didn't go through with like all the schooling and stuff you know I know for a lot of people school's expensive and it's time consuming and your own personal research can get you really far because it's um it's also not to say that I'm sure there's a lot of people who have done a lot of school and still don't act properly when they're supposed to but I do think it's important for people to know that because I think I see that a lot thrown around on TikTok like but I'm a nutritionist or

I'm a health coach and this is this, like even talking about things sometimes we say. Yeah. And like another thing too that we've been like not angry about, but very like fired up in conversation is people, nutritionists in particular will have like their specialties of like what they really want to promote and talk about. And one of those that we see kind of a lot recently, especially in men is carnivore. And yeah, it's crazy. So

It's just funny because they call themselves nutritionists. They are really focused on the – I'm just using carnivore as an example. It could go any way, any direction. That's just a prevalent thing in our life. And they really like talk about it, force it on their followers because it works for them and they have a reason why they're doing it. But it doesn't necessarily work for everyone. And I think people need to realize that as well.

Oh, for sure. I mean, you're right. Carnivorism is huge in my For You page too, because I don't know why. It's just like five years ago, it was the opposite. It was the raw vegan frugivores who were just eating bananas all day. And now it's just eating liver and like raw beef.

and like grass fed butter. And to me, it's just like, guys, like, can we just eat normally? Like, can we just eat like moderation, but moderation isn't sexy. And so you're not going to like get a lot of attention and get people riled up by preaching moderation because everyone's looking for that quick fix. Everyone's looking for the secret, the magic pill on what's going to make a difference to change their life or change their health or make them lose a lot of weight and

And so some of these extreme measures are going to sound enticing because people are thinking, well, I tried calorie counting. I tried weight, like weight watchers. And I tried just like, you know, eating more protein at meals or more vegetables. And that didn't really like move the needle enough. And so they have this assumption that they have to do one of these extreme diets in order to change. But like,

Who's staying on carnivore for life? That's what I'm saying. I don't understand it. It's quite okay. I actually was going to go into the BS trends at the end, but I think since we're already talking about carnivore, I kind of want to like we're already on this path. I think we should just keep going and then we'll circle back.

So the bullshit trends of these influencer what I eat in a days. Now we do what I eat in a days like we said and we try to do what I eat in a days for the purpose of because I know people have their opinions about them. Are they toxic? What are they? We both try to do what I eat in a days in the sense of for me personally, I eat plant-based for an environmental ethical reason, not like raw like plant.

A lot of people don't even know that I eat vegan because I eat pretty quote unquote normal. So people don't really know. But I just like to show people that I eat

Kind of a lot that you can't eat a lot and that there's really simple, easy vegan meals that take me less than 10 minutes to make. And that's why I like to do full days of eating because I like to just show people that that eating vegan is really simple. Sam, you know, loves to cook, loves to make new recipes, does it for that reason. Yeah. Tons of new recipes going in that route, which I think in that sense, what I eat a day are great. Yeah.

Totally. I do them myself. And my rationale is really like, you know, use this as inspiration, not prescription. And I even put on like the video or like I make a disclaimer, like, this is just what I ate on a random day. This was based on my needs. My needs are unique. Please do not copy this and think that you're going to get the same effect.

Because that's just not the way that bodies work. Exactly. They're all unique. Yeah. One thing we've made clear too, like we currently don't track macros or calories. We're just intuitive eating. But when we are tracking, we make it very clear on our pages that do not ask our calories, do not ask our macros. Like it's not going to work for you. But we'll give them a kind of a hint because, you know, another thing like we were saying earlier is our girls do

do come from a background of being kind of terrified to eat or terrified to eat carbs so we will if we're eating like a tremendous amount of carbs we'll be like hey like this meal has like 50 to 60 grams of carbs like it's okay but like we never share exactly how much macros we are eating on a day-to-day basis like when I when we were in our bulk um because we did a bulk last winter because we're like trying to put on muscle whatever but I was like up to eating like 3,000 calories because I have a really hard time losing weight and that was something I did kind of like to

Yeah. Like, you know, on your 1,200 calorie, like, this is 3,000 calories worth of food. And, like, we are eating. So that's definitely where we come from. But we definitely...

Are no strangers to the literal. Like there's no other word for it than bullshit. There's no other word. So I kind of want to go into some little ones that I see all the time. This is like the first thing that like are you literally an influencer if you don't start a full day of eating with like chlorophyll and lemon water? Lemon water. Lemon water. What the hell? Like I think it's like I don't get it.

I don't get it at all. There's really not much to get. I don't know why lemon won like the wellness culture lottery, but somehow it hit a jackpot. And so, yeah, like you see a wide range of claims, most of which are like kickstart your digestion or, you know, detox you like.

Guys, nothing's going to detox you. Your body detoxes itself naturally every day. And the act of just drinking water, which is going to make you pee or going to help like lubricate the bowel so that you have a bowel movement. Both of those things are your body's natural detox mechanism. So any water is good water. Doesn't need to be lemon water. If warm lemon water just like feels more soothing to you and it helps you relax.

that might help you have a bowel movement because we know that there's a really strong connection between the gut and the mind. And so I can see why that works.

But like there's nothing magical about the lemon water. It's got a little extra vitamin C. It tastes better maybe than regular water. But other than that, not much going on there. Yeah. I will definitely say too, I remember there was a time in my life where I did not drink any water, like horrible. My digestion was crap. And once I did start drinking a lot more water, like I bought, ended up buying like a massive water bottle, which helped me. And yeah,

Within a few months, I noticed such a difference in my digestion just from drinking water. But this was like years ago. So anyone listening right now, if you are not drinking enough water, drink your damn water and I promise you, your digestion will change. With whatever you want in it. You can do like mint water. Oh, we love it. Yeah. Number one.

Switch it up. Switch it up. Throw some berries in there, like a little cucumber. I mean, really, whatever is going to help you enjoy hydrating more. It works for me, whether that's tea, sparkling water, like flavored water. You do you. Yeah. Yeah. The lemon water is I wonder when it's going to like die out. Yeah. What's next? Yeah, I don't know. The other thing people are doing with their water is the chlorophyll.

Oh yeah. That's also BS. I mean, obviously it's in this category. Like we have, we know that you can get all the chlorophyll you need and just like eating some green vegetables. So there's absolutely no need to be buying an expensive chlorophyll supplement, which also doesn't even have any of the like really important benefits of whole veg like fiber. So yeah, just stick with the whole foods. A lot of these things are just,

I don't know. There's a lot of, I would say with supplement, with a lot of these kind of unnecessary supplements or rituals, there's like a little bit of like an elitism element to it where a lot of folks see, oh, you know, having these expensive rituals is a little bit of, you know, a marker of financial success or, you know,

So and I think that that alone, it's no different than the big kind of like gluten free wave of like 10 years ago when everyone was going gluten free. And it was a much more expensive venture to do that, even though there was no need to necessarily go gluten free. So I think it's a little bit of a status of well for a lot of people to.

Yeah, I'd agree 100% because, I mean, sometimes for fun, like, I know we'll definitely fall into, like, sometimes it's fun, like, buy an expensive green juice or, like, go to Air One and, like, get a $20 smoothie. And, like, it's fun. Like, it's fun. It's a little, like –

treat, but I do see it's like the aesthetic of it. It is the aesthetic. It's totally the aesthetic. It's like, it's a look. It's like, it's no different than the kind of like basic bitch pumpkin spice latte situation. Like, but it's like the LA look. So yeah, I think having that green juice in hand, it is a little bit of a status symbol, but really not much more. Yeah. I'd agree a hundred percent. It really is, really is about the aesthetic. Yeah.

Um, something else is the intermittent fasting, which we were actually just talking about. We were just talking about this. But what we don't understand about intermittent fasting is one. I know there's like the issues like the hormones and stuff, which like, I mean, I'm not a doctor, so I don't know. But it's that all you're doing is less times you can eat means you're eating less. And I don't know why that doesn't go through people's brains.

Because people like to believe in magic. They like to believe that there's that they're doing something more than just a basic, boring, old calorie deficit that they had been doing before. But when you create like more rules, essentially, that you just have to follow, you

For some people, I mean, this is the thing, everyone's different and everyone's going to like find success in different methods. And what the evidence shows us with intermittent fasting is that the reason why people lose weight if they lose weight intermittent fasting is only because we just suck at making up for missed meals. Like if you skip breakfast and then you stop eating at 6 p.m., you're not snacking before bed, you're missing a whole meal.

People, even though they do make up some of those calories in their feasting window, they don't tend to make up all of them. And that's why people lose weight. And a lot of the influencers will claim, oh, it's because it's suppressing your insulin levels and insulin is the big, bad fat storage hormone. But the reality is the research time and time again shows us that insulin actually plays a very small role in the weight loss equation. It just really comes down to calorie balance and calorie deficit. Yeah.

Yeah, I would actually love to tell you this story because we were talking about it this morning. So a little background is my father survived stage four colon cancer years ago and it was during my childhood. But he had actually called me on the phone the other day because he went into his doctor and his doctor had told him my dad's actually gains quite a bit of weight. And the doctor looked him in the eyes and told him to try going keto and intermittent fasting.

And the anger that rushed through my body of a doctor to even dare tell my father that is a cancer survivor to intermittent fast go keto. It made my blood boil. So honestly, I would love to hear your thoughts on like doctors giving that type of advice.

Well, I mean, I never want to step on toes. And of course, our, our, like our fellow healthcare providers, but ultimately I think it's important to know that doctors only get like one nutrition class in med school. Yeah. And so, yeah,

Of course, there's going to be doctors out there who do their due diligence and who really kind of like stay on top of the research. And, you know, especially in like kind of the obesity field, like they, there are lots of doctors that I know of who are very well versed on the literature. And that's amazing. But most practicing doctors, GPs,

know very little about specific nutrition, you know, the specific research on specific nutrition recommendations or fad diets. You know, they're not unlike a lot of us who are just seeing these things pop up in our feeds and who are making assumptions that just because Joe Schmo had success on, you know, a keto diet,

intermittent fasting diet that all of his clients will too. And honestly, I mean, in the case, in this situation that you're describing, that's really sad for me because we know that cancer patients generally fail to even just get enough calories period. It is not a time for restriction. And so often kind of like making sure that they have enough fuel on board to actually, you know,

fight cancer is should be a priority rather than thinking about ways to restrict and cut foods out of their diet. So yeah, I mean, it's too bad. And the really great doctors out there will refer out to a registered dietitian who specializes in that specific field, because there are so many nutrition, not unlike medicine, there's so many specific niches and to really know,

by heart, all the research in all areas of nutrition would be impossible. Like, so that's why dieticians specialize in gut health or sports nutrition or weight loss or, you know, health at every size, et cetera. So we all have our specialties and it's worth kind of, yeah, referring out to someone who really knows that, that area. Yeah. I'm happy you did say that because it is definitely important for people to understand that referrals are very important. Yeah.

Okay. Now I think these can kind of go together because I feel like we're just talking about carnivore. I want to circle back to it. I feel like carnivore is like the glorified keto. It's just like, yeah, it's like taking keto like a step further, like a step more, like more extreme, more expensive too.

Yeah, scary and expensive. Because we have, okay, we know someone like in our personal life that does this post about it. And at first it was like kind of whatever, you know, I eat vegan, you choose to eat meat. I'm not judging you. Like, do you? I don't care. But it's gotten progressively more extreme like as the weeks go on to the point that this person has made posts

saying that what is actually giving us cancer and diabetes and obesity and heart disease, all that stuff, is actually the fruits and vegetables and the sugar in fruits and vegetables and that you actually don't need plants and that you can get every single nutrient from meat and plants are actually killing you. Yeah. I mean, I know. I've seen these kinds of posts. I just did a review of Carnivore MD, which is...

he's a doctor. Like why, why is he a doctor? And anyways, yes, that's, that's kind of the message that that's being pushed around in these circles. It's absolutely false. We have plenty of data to show how important fiber is not just for, you know,

for reducing cholesterol, for reducing blood sugar levels, for helping to reduce the risk of different IBD and digestive disorders, for helping keep us satiated and full, and also to feed our good gut bacteria. So

It's really just mind-boggling to me that these messages are being promoted. Fruits and vegetables are a great source of antioxidants, and we just aren't getting that from meat. There's a lot of criticism. I mean, there's a lot of like...

theories around in the carnivore world of why we don't need vegetables and how vegetables have anti-nutrients and stuff like that. But most anti-nutrients that these carnivores claim to be so scared about are just basically denatured when we cook these plant-based foods.

So like if you have lentils or beans, just cook them as we normally would. And you don't have a problem. So I think a lot of their points are, are moot points and just fear mongering tactics. And, and it's just the most bizarre, bizarre phase of nutrition, fad diets for me, because I think that there's very few things that we can agree on in the nutrition world because nutrition science is, is,

is notoriously rife with challenges. It's, you know, it's very hard to do well, because humans are not robots, like we don't live in a vacuum, it's very hard to like, really control all the factors, etc. So nutrition research is far from perfect. And so there are very few things that we as a community feel are like nutrition facts.

But I would say one thing that we can pretty much all agree on based on a bounty of research is that a diet rich in fruits and vegetables is the key to good health, reduces the risk of heart disease, reduces the risk of like blood sugar and insulin resistance, reduces the risk of obesity, et cetera. I don't, I don't know how a doctor can refute that. That's what, that's exactly what I said. I'm like, that just,

I was literally saying how that confuses me so much because I feel like saying fruits and vegetables are good for you. And maybe – you know what? I've even heard fruit really be controversial to people. We could just go into – I think saying vegetables are good for you is very, very just the simple, most basic fact of nutrition. But I guess not. I guess people are still –

Still trying to find. Well, you know, you know, the way social media works, everyone's just looking for that like fuzzy clickbait, you know, whatever's going to get people attention. And I hate to think that these people are, are, you know, starting these movements just to like get a quick like, but I wouldn't put it past people because it just seems so nonsensical otherwise. Yeah.

Yeah, 100% would agree. And I think a big thing of why it's so popular is in the fitness industry and like the bodybuilding community that we see kind of in our little niche is men who see other very muscular shredded men will do anything they say to look like them. And I know diet culture is very crazy amongst women, but it is.

really really bad amongst men especially in the fitness space you if you are shredded to the bone giant bodybuilder looking man and you say any type of something a supplement someone should take a food someone should eat a diet plan they should follow the amount people will jump to buy it is actually crazy and i think you know with the carnivore thing that spread a lot that way it did

Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean, yeah, you see all the major influencers that are promoting it there. They basically are all their videos are just them with their shirt off. Like, people live like that. I don't I don't know. Do they go to work like that? Right? Yeah, I can see why that's so enticing for a lot of people for sure.

Yeah, I know. It's bad. It gets us like really fired up. Rule number one of nutrition advice if they're talking with their shirt off. Maybe just swipe online. Report. Report block. Yeah. Okay, so are there any words, phrases, things that you see in like these what I eat in a days and stuff that you just wish people would

literally throw away and stop saying forever like is there any specific ones that come to mind oh my god so many um i mean for sure like the classics are like detox cleanse um because like i said like our body has natural detoxing organs does it all every all the day every day all the day we don't need to be like taking anything to cleanse our body um i hate cleanliness

the term clean. I hate dichotomizing food as like being clean versus, you know, not. I hate that. I also really, this is not just in like what I eat in a days, but just in social media in general, I think there's like a really big trend towards gut health.

And I have IBS myself. I've had a number of different functional gut disorders. So I believe in the importance of gut health. But what we've seen, I'd say over the past five years or so, is this real shift from diet culture, because diet has become a bit of a dirty word, to wellness culture. And the wellness culture hook right now, what's in vogue, is this whole like,

gut health, anti bloating, how to get a flat stomach, etc. But what I'm seeing, and what a lot of my colleagues are seeing is that this is really just kind of like a more socially desirable way to talk about, like, fat loss and weight loss, right? You know, it's,

I think there's a lot of like pathologizing over this idea of having like a bloated stomach when really it's totally normal for your body's stomach to expand and contract after you eat something like having a slightly larger stomach at the end of the day than you wake up with.

is totally normal. You're dehydrated when you wake up and you haven't eaten anything, right? So that is a total normal part of your day. And I think that a lot of influencers now are constantly talking about all these things you need to eat or take out of your diet to prevent bloating. But really they're just

this is just more caloric restriction. You're just restricting foods. You're going to potentially have a flat or something because you may lose weight and it's just a sexier, safer way to talk about weight loss than to explicitly say, oh, I'm dieting because I want to lose weight and I want to be a, you know, I want to lose 10 pounds. Yeah. Yeah. It's actually funny you say that because now that you do, I do notice when I'm on social media that I noticed a lot of quote unquote

They'll title it gut-friendly salad, gut-friendly smoothie, gut-friendly when they post a recipe. And now that I'm thinking about it, I'm like, but why? What makes it gut-friendly? Just call it your strawberry banana smoothie. I don't understand. And I think it's taken away from the actual telling people probiotic and prebiotic foods, actual real good things for their health. I actually said this on another episode before.

Um, because I thought the same exact way. I see a lot of girls that are in that very wellnessy culture being like, I go to dinner and before dinner, I order a warm lemon water. And then after I make sure to bring my like deep bloat capsules in my purse. And I'm like,

I'm like, you're going to an Italian restaurant. You ate a big bowl of pasta. Like, you're fine. That's not bad gut health. You just ate dinner. Like, you don't need – I think ordering a special, like, warm lemon water before you eat when you're, like, out with a group of people is a bit on the, like –

It's extra. It's going toward the line of like the disordered end of things to be in a social group of settings. It's definitely a ritual that, uh, has, you know, it's, it's ritualistic and that, that can be a slippery slope for sure. Um, but I fully agree. It's definitely become a real trend right now. Um,

And I'm not sure when it's going to die out. But I also think it takes away from folks that have legitimate digestive disorders that they're trying to fix. Like having a bit of bloating after a meal, aka your stomach just getting bigger because you put food in it, is not the same as having like SIBO or IBS or celiac or IBD or some other kind of legitimate functional gut disorder that would warrant some kind of actual support.

And so I think there's an idea that like everyone needs all these different supplements for bloating, but really that that's absolutely not the case. And like you said, you know, what makes it gut friendly? Well, that's a great question because some for one person,

what, you know, gut friendly would mean more fiber, you know, because fiber is going to feed the gut for another person that has, you know, a sensitive gut who has IBS, it might actually mean less fiber because they are sensitive to like FODMAPs and other kind of certain fermentable carbohydrates that would cause more digestive distress. So yeah, this whole like gut friendly label, it makes absolutely no sense because those things are highly individualized. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I think the bloating culture, I agree, is just extremely out of hand. And just like, I feel like it makes people just like you said, question when their stomach expands when they eat, if they're like doing something wrong. Yeah, like they're not doing anything to quote unquote, like prevent it because somebody else do something to prevent it. So giving like the food combining. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's another one.

that one's got to die. I went down that road. I thought it popped back up recently. I've just, on TikTok, of course. And that was really big, you know, like, Kenzie Burke kind of, you know, those days. I don't even know when, maybe that was like five, eight years ago. But anyways, it's back. No. Oh, no. It couldn't be more stupid. It's so stupid. It,

it's like trying to convince people that you know you can't digest different types of food components at the same time because it creates like a traffic jam in your gut as if your body it's not like you have to digest the apple before like the rice can come down like that's not that's not how I feel like a science course please somebody I fell victim to buying Kenzie Burke's like on

online PDF she bought it years ago like six seven years ago and there was actually a diagram inside her book that had like the stomach with like different foods and it was showing like how fast certain foods can go down the stomach on the diagram and like all the stuff I was like

I don't know how I fell victim to that. I really don't know either. No, like, but it was bad. It was back in the day when I had no idea what I was doing. I just saw a skinny girl doing what she was doing. And I was like, I really like this. And it was popular. It was a very popular thing for a lot of these girls to talk about. It was, like, all over YouTube. So, I mean, it's enticing. It, like, kind of sounds like it could make sense if you don't know anything about, you know, physiology. So, I can see why a lot of people are just like, oh, yeah, like...

I need to like eat the fruit on an empty stomach and I can't mind protein and like what? Yeah. I think I agree. It does sound because I feel like it uses a lot of like bigger words. It sounds like it could make sense, right? Like it sounds like there's all these rules. They have to come from somewhere, right? Someone has to know what they're talking about. Like it's so in depth, but what got it for me, I was like, but foods aren't just one macro nutrient. That's what, that's what like I,

I never understood and I never saw an explanation because she'd be like an apple with peanut butter, like peanut butter is a fat. I'm like, and it's also a protein and a carb.

That's why these things don't make sense because we don't eat macros. We eat food. And like, what's an avocado? Avocado's got fiber, but it's also got fat. And like, what's edamame? Like, you know, what are peanuts? Like, what are any nuts? Like all of those kinds of questions come up and it just, you just realize it makes absolutely no sense. Yeah, that's what kind of like snapped me out of it was the thinking about like peanut butter. And I was like, wait,

But is that a protein or a fat? I'm not following. Um, yeah.

So, okay, I think that was a lot of like bullshit for the day. I'm getting annoyed. Yeah, I'm getting annoyed. But back to the stuff that does make sense. I want to go into like simple things people can just like think of maybe refer back to this. Maybe they can take notes right now. Just creating balanced meals like no label, no diet, just like a day of eating food that's good for you and balanced like food.

When you're like explaining that to someone, how do you go about, you know, here's how to make a balanced meal, balanced day of eating?

Yeah. So like I mentioned, I have a real additive approach to nutrition. So rather than focus on, you know, what we need to take away or restrict from the diet, I'm all about finding ways to kind of add more nutritious foods to the diet. So I developed a concept called my hunger crushing combo, which basically this is like a non-diet additive approach to healthy eating, where the idea is that we're focusing on adding in a source of fiber, protein, fiber,

and healthy fats to our meals and snacks. And that's just going to kind of bump up the satiety and the satisfaction factor. And there are so many important benefits to this for, you know, blood sugar management and energy levels and giving that kind of nice even keeled energy throughout the day. Fiber, protein and fat are more satiating and more satisfying. So you're going to feel fuller longer. So this is great really for anyone, but particularly for folks, especially if they're trying to manage their weight.

And then also it kind of puts all food on an equal playing field. So, you know, I talked about cheat day, you know, food doesn't need or meal doesn't need to be a cheat day or clean eating day. It can just be, you know, a balanced meal. So you can have a burger, but maybe you pair it with some, some veggies or some salad, or you can have a slice of chocolate cake, but maybe you're going to add like a big thing of like full fat Greek yogurt and some nuts and some berries on top.

So it's all about kind of creating effortless balance. And I've gotten so much feedback from people on how to how using the hunger crushing combo has really helped them build out those balanced meals and snacks without having to obsess over the minutia of calories and macros and micronutrients, etc. Yeah.

Yeah, that's something we definitely talk about a lot. And it's like probably the number one advice I give anyone when they're trying to eat healthier is like adding things rather than taking things away. Because in turn, if you're adding things, you will be taking something away like in turn. Right. Like I always just give the example, if you want to cut soda, you add in more water. But in turn, that would...

takeaway soda so um it's crazy to me though how something like this it's like oh now let's talk so much about the right thing to do but there's really not that even much to say because it's so simple it is so simple like it's like there's not even people want us we always get asked to like talk so much about like food and eating like all this stuff and obviously it's why we bring people like you on because we aren't like dietitians ourselves but it's like

There's not that much to say about the right way to eat. Just eat balanced food that tastes good to you. Yeah, we get like a lot too. Like on our like full days of eatings or recipes, we'll get like comments like, but what if I can't have sunflower seeds? What if I can't have sunflower seeds? Like, can I not eat this meal now anymore? I'm like, no, just like just take the sunflower seeds out or replace the sunflower seeds with something different. And this like goes across the board for anything. Like if I were to make maybe chicken cutlets with broccoli and...

fries and someone's like well what if I can't have the broccoli or what if I don't like the broccoli can I have that I'm like just make a different side like it just gets so over complicated for no reason and I'm like guys as long as you are enjoying the dish that is in front of you that is all that matters right and just the balance of it and that like

It's just so annoying when people want to cut out food groups. And people get confused because I say don't cut out anything. And they're like, but you eat vegan. So you cut out food. I'm like, I don't cut out food groups. Yeah. I'm like, I don't cut out protein because I eat protein. I eat fat. I eat carbs. I don't cut out any food groups at all. There's just that misunderstanding. I get that all the time.

But yeah, I definitely wrote in here. I'm glad you touched on the hunger crushing combo because I was going to bring that up. But you already explained that one. And I wanted to share some things like I want you to kind of help us out, maybe give us some feedback on what we're eating. Yeah. Okay. So this came to mind because you said like adding things or whatever. And this is like something I posted a TikTok about this.

So like for dessert, I had this thing. I call it like a loaded cereal bowl. I have this like cereal. It's called three wishes. It has like protein. And then I add like almond butter and hemp seeds and like dark chocolate. So then I'm like, and I made the tick tock. I was like, if you, I used to be so scared of cereal. I was like, but this bowl of cereal is like so nutritious. Yeah.

And I just wanted to put that out there because I think that's such a good idea for a hunger question. And you know what? I also posted a serial hack on my TikTok recently and everyone loves it. But you...

Yeah, cereal used to be my fear food myself when I was struggling with an eating disorder. I had orthorexia when I was in my late teens, early 20s. And cereal for me was just like a big trigger food. Like I just wanted to eat sugary cereal all the time. And so I created this hunger crushing combo for it where if, you know, you take...

we basically make a protein shake. You just like mix your milk with your protein powder of choice. You can use whatever cereal, like even like Lucky Charms it up, like whatever tricks are for kids, whatever. And, you know, add some hemp tarts or some nut butter on top, add some berries. You got fiber, you got protein, you got healthy fats. And, you know, it hits different. You get that fun.

cereal that you love so i love a good cereal yeah we used to do that all the time post workout we used to do the protein cereal like protein rice krispies yeah pour in the protein milk right on top of the cereal haven't done that in a while what's your i don't know something you've been making recently

I my recipes are always so different though you just made a salad what was in your salad okay yeah so I had a salad this morning I like to call it like a nice little harvest bowl because fall's here so I did kale massaged out in some lemon then we did some quinoa I did a plant-based protein it's called plant boss I don't know if you're familiar with it we can get it at Whole Foods um brussels sprouts butternut squash onion goodness there's so much in this um and then a tahini lemon dressing that I made yum

Yeah. Yeah, it's very good. Yeah. Yeah, this is...

yep this is so funny because last yay last time we did this we um our friend who's a nutritionist we had her on and we did the same thing but we weren't in the height of our bulk and we were just trying to get calories in and we were eating not great yeah and I was getting lazy with my food we were eating like and you know not to say these foods are bad but they were um really a big majority of our diet which is probably not great we were eating like

Pop-Tarts all the time. Like...

But okay. Frozen mac and cheese. Here's the thing. It's like those things are totally fine to be having. It was just a lot. But it was just we were having a lot in one day. It was a lot. We were having cereal. And then later in the day, we were having a Pop-Tart. And then later in the day, I was doing like a frozen mac and cheese with canned chicken. Yes, canned chicken. I was very lazy at the time. It was bad. So it's just funny the difference because if anyone has listened to that episode, we were like, yeah, this is actually what we're eating. It's a little bit embarrassing. And now we're like, we make a salad? Yeah. Yeah.

Well, I made a hunger crushing combo with a Pop-Tart because I effing love Pop-Tart. Oh, I need to hear this loud. Oh, share. Yeah. So here it is. I mean, you can do this with a plant-based yogurt. I took some Greek yogurt. You could do a plant-based yogurt. I toasted the Pop-Tart. I added some fresh berries and some crushed nuts.

and then I like broke the warm Pop-Tart so like the jam kind of like swirled in and there's like that like cookie bit and like the kind of candy coating kind of got all into each bite of the yogurt oh my god it was so good I literally ate that breakfast like all week until I ran out of Pop-Tarts and I was like damn I love that sounds really good we have some more Pop-Tarts in our cabinet I have yogurt in the fridge that I haven't eaten yet there you go girls I would love to ask you though what has been your after we get off

Yeah. What is your go-to breakfast, Ben? Oh, so I have a recipe that's like semi-famous on my blog and I mean, YouTube, TikTok, all the places. It's a protein oats recipe and I have a vegan version, but the one that I usually do is it's like a wit protein oats. So rather than just like putting protein powder in, which is the typical protein oats recipe, I

I cook my oats on a stove. I whip up a bunch of egg whites until they're like really frothy. And then I whisk, I'm just, I'm pretending. I whisk it into the oats. And then basically I'll add in like a really ripe banana because that adds a lot of like natural sweetness. I'll add some like hemp hearts if I want, cinnamon, all those goody things. And then I pop the lid on for just a few minutes and it puffs up into this like massive cloud like texture. And everyone, before they try it, they're like,

Is it going to taste like eggs? Like I'm skeptical of this, but everyone, like you see the reviews on my blog, everyone loves this recipe. It does not taste like eggs, but you get this like massive fluffy cloud, like bowl of oats. And then I'll like top it with peanut butter or almond butter and like berries and all that good stuff.

Oh, you know what? Now that I'm thinking about it, one thing that I have been doing is I've been adding shredded zucchini into my oats. Yes. I've been loving it. I just feel so good. I'm like, I'm getting my greens in in the morning. Like,

I love that. Yeah, I do a baked chocolate zucchini oatmeal, kind of like oatmeal squares. My kids love that too. So like lots of shredded zucchini, lots of chocolate chips on top. It's also a really big favorite here. Yeah, we made, well, we make protein oats every single week.

morning. Yeah. Every single morning. So we'll have to try that out. And I used to do the egg thing before I was plant based in my oats. And the reason I always got confused when people like does it taste like eggs? I'm like you put eggs in cake. Does cake taste like eggs? Like you put eggs in every single dessert and it doesn't taste like eggs. So if you're thinking that listening just food.

Food for thought, you know. Every other dessert has eggs in it. It makes sense why it doesn't taste like eggs. But we have protein oats every single morning. We also tried to make a chocolate chip zucchini bread. Yeah. We did all right. We did all right. It wasn't our best. We messed up with one ingredient, but... It wasn't our best, but... Zucchini bread is a good thing. I love zucchini bread. Such an easy way. I love that. So this is also, I feel like, such easy ways for, like... It sounds like stuff, like, when people are trying to get their kids to eat vegetables. You can, like, think the same way as an adult. Yeah.

Oh, for sure. I mean, we're all the same, right? So I've got two boys and so a lot of the recipes that I come up with are with them in mind. So they have to obviously taste really good, but also as a dietician and mom, I still want them to be nutritious and balanced. So that's kind of where my mind is. Something I've seen you talk about in post and I've never actually done it and now I'm remembering is in a smoothie, adding like silken tofu into the smoothie.

It makes the best texture. It's like overwhelmingly creamy and it just like whips everything up like really, really, really nice and smooth. And it's a great plant-based alternative to like, if you don't want to do a protein powder or you don't want to do like a Greek yogurt or something like that, it's a really great, great option. Interesting. I need to try that. That sounds really good. I'm trying to think if there's anything else that we've been eating recently, but we've been like,

pretty good yeah we've been like really really chefing it up and yeah we've been i've been doing a lot of protein balls for snacks during the week oh those are so good have you ever made those lots i've got lots of recipes i have a i i really do my kids love this one that i do where i basically make like um i take like canned chickpeas and i puree those

with like dates and peanut butter. And so it's kind of like a cookie dough texture. And then I roll into balls with like chocolate chips or whatever and like coat it in coconut or anything I want. And so, yeah, it's just like a little like truffle that the kids love that too. Yeah, I've done that before. I've done chickpea cookie dough. It's really good. I think I have chickpeas in the cabinet. Yeah. Well, we are very inspired now to make some new recipes. I can't wait to go make snacks, especially when we have Pop-Tarts in the cabinet. But I think...

It's just like so good to know like the way that like all foods fit into a balanced diet. And I don't think enough people understand that. Like I think the Pop-Tart thing was the perfect example. Like are we going to be eating Pop-Tarts and sugary snacks like that to the extent we were trying to gain weight? No. Will I still eat a Pop-Tart? Yeah. I didn't even know we had them. Probably would have had them already. But now that I know, I'm going to have one. So it's like everything –

everything fits and it's just not that freaking complicated. And if it seems overly complicated, it's probably not true.

Like, yeah, if it seems overly complicated, it's not something that you're going to be able to sustain for the rest of your life. So why bother? That's like, that's my mindset is, you know, unless you have a very specific goal, like, you know, a fitness or aesthetic goal for a specific event. Uh, if, if it's, if you're trying to find ways to eat, you have to make sure that it's sustainable. Yeah. You always say that. Always say that. Cause I'm like, are you going to be doing this exact diet? For example, the carnivore, if,

20, 30 years from now when you have kids, are you going to be still eating like that? No, probably not. So think of the long picture, the down the road, how you want to be eating. Yeah.

Well, I love this episode and love having you on just to give that kind of – because when we debunk trends or say our things, everyone just likes to come on with the like, but you're not a dietitian. Like, but you're not this. Well, now we have dietitian on affirming, you know, everything we're saying and just giving that knowledge. So I hope people can just take away that knowledge.

nothing needs to be all that complicated and to not just listen to people with their shirt off talking on Instagram. Well, thank you so much. Thank you so much for coming on and talking with us. My pleasure. Thanks for having me. Okay. Well, bye guys. Bye guys.