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That is just a cros. Then they could start an APP where voting phone enthusiast could meet each other. It's called hinge. I like that.

What is out people in the internet? Welcome back to another of the way from podcast wear host, i'm David. Anger and markets is out today because he's doing some more for zy things because he has to be a professional, unfortunately.

hopefully is doing pretty good. They're not like the they usually go into this tournament like the favorite.

They are not. So I just is there any more backboard to this? Because I don't know that you obviously are more versed in the law of ultimate. Could you really quickly give us a .

one what is special? This is just the tournament within the U. S. And it's the professionally in a club, yeah in the club, in the of them.

Kid, I feel like such a bloomer or setting that out yeah like this is kind of like what ultimate in the U. S. Has been for a while because there wasn't a poorly or anything.

You play on these like localize teams and then you play through like sectional regionals nationals. So you play locally and branch out to to the top of the this is that one. I know he's already played worlds this year, which is different.

He's played pro ultima. Most confusing thing ever. Ultimate players are the people keeping the sport back because they can make up their mind. Yeah doing something. So yes, hopefully, well.

well, they may not be the favorite, but they are my favorite today is this episode is episode two hundred and fifty six, which means if every episode way form was a unique value, you could be stored in a single bite.

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That's right. Thank you. Anyway, we've got a lot of interesting stuff to talk about today. Um we ve got the cocom snapp dragon summit that has just happened out in hai. Yes, we are going to be talking about the new chip set out there. Uh, the area pod's hearing test actually went live a few days ago, so we got a chance to try that out. And also we have had the opportunity to try both the snapshot spectacle les, which I was studio.

right.

Andrew was looking at right now. And then Andrew and ellis had the opportunity to try the meta and glasses. We're going a little section where we kind to talk about both what was Better about .

each one against .

each year and at the end, mark, as will be here for a small period of time, just not really here. He didn't interview with someone to meet up. And so we're going to play that at the very end.

But first, huge news, huge news. Take IT away. Magic .

mouse two.

Oh, my god, there's.

Rumors of a magic mass two, magic trackpad two and new magic keyboard and spoiler IT seems like they're all exactly the same.

But with U, S, B, C, do this is the hardest thing when .

there's nothing wrong with that.

Is that mice? okay.

Beyond was that beyond the click, beyond the click, the port, the port on the bottom.

Oh, cry me a river 哦 oh my god， cry me a river. I have to stop using my computer for five minutes every nine weeks. Is the magic of searching .

in the bottom actually just a paleo, uh, timer just every three months of instead you don't complain when .

your ferraris in the shop every week. Guys.

yeah, related OK.

that's all we have for that.

Okay, you you to push back on me calling the magic mouse for area of mice. Really you're going to let that hang.

I mean, they're both. That's nice looking drivers. Both are air r dynamic. That's true.

Can you on s new with the track back.

all of them are so which we all thought was gonna a while ago or marketer was going to be a go. All of the them, of course, there to be. Lighting really looks like we're finally U. S, B.

C. Well, I mean, hey, every time my magic keyboard dies and yes, i'm using a magic keyboard and no, I will not apologize for IT. Um I have to ask adam for A U S B C to lightning connector and IT is always a bad time. So if you're going to do that.

I guess is a beneficial well. And if that needs to be said, if IT needs be said, I hope the new magic keyboard uses the the new markets pro keyboard platform and not the old butterfly is old.

One is IT currently using the body. I don't think .

it's butera y switches because that I hate that the butterfly switch .

with fier of my being pointing to A A right now, ah, I IT .

definite feels Better than the twelve ch macbook.

I feel .

like switch, switch.

I don't have a problem with the magic word.

And I think it's prety.

It's OK. It's really, it's definitely not butterfly. Butterfly was like, even less like scissors like this butterfly.

The microphone just rose and David, I think and scissor is like this. Butterfly is like this. And i'm sorry to auto. It's even confusing .

when you're looking at IT to be on IT honest but feel wise, the butterfly was terrible. Yes, switch is fine. I don't love low profile that much, but I have no issues with the the magic keyboard. Yeah, I remember like when we did that typing test a while ago, I won using a keyboard that was like, crazy expensive. Everyone is like he only one because he used that and then I went on my magic keyboard and typed, but about being used to.

yeah well, S C that is good. Uh, snapdragon eight elite. So cow com has a history of every single year releasing a new chip sets.

Um usually IT used to be the eight like eight, forty five, fifty five, eight, sixty five. They are kind of going along with that cats. Eventually they switched to eighty eight um because I was .

a lucky number something .

like yeah was weird. And then the next year they did snaps in eight je one they did three of those. And then now apparently the new the new chip set is cause natural na e elite and that sort of a play on their laptop chip sets, which are snapdragon plus and snaps drag elite ite chip sets.

And so I think they're trying to communicate one that they are sort of shrinking those chip sets down to A A phone size because they did pretty heavily modify the architecture quite a bit. Um IT is also three enemies. Ter, so IT should be a lot more efficient.

And caution is quoting a lot of big numbers here. Uh they said the chip should be about forty four percent more efficient, which is pretty massive. Forty four percent is a big increase and the eight and three was already extremely efficient. So that was that was nice.

Thirty three percent um additional I S P through put which in S P is the isigny processor, which means that can take in more data, which means therefore ally you should be able to do things like you know four, one, twenty four, eight, two forty at some point maybe stuff that um IT is significantly beating the pixel nine pro excel by a factor of two in many catered by more of than a factor of two in many categories. So seems good. Um ironically, there is a big dispute right now between cocom and ARM that has just escalated and ARM is giving call com sixty days to like fixed this dispute otherwise they were revoking the architecture access, which could be like horrible. But ARM in quon both benefit from their relationship like immensely because that's where both of the companies make a ton of their money.

Do you think that's like a negotiating plate like released that to the public? absolutely. During the event. The why .

that came out yesterday, right? They came out five, six hours ago yeah yeah today while .

everyone's like chilling on the betray now talking about chips yeah I guess .

the problem that can purchase new via, which had a separate licensing deal with ARM, and I guess when they purchase them, they didn't renegotiate the licensing deal. So they said that ARM is saying that IT terminated the licensing sing deal, but come saying that it's not a big deal anyway. It's a little complicated.

I doubt anything will really happen. I think they will probably just settled IT in court and people will get paid and we will move on. So either way, I think that we're going to see a bunch of different phones with the snapdragon elite chip set this year. Um the jamming fifteen series is apparently the first uh set of phones to use the chip. And the asus origin nine series is coming out in november.

which is kind of confusing because the R G A came out. We were liking this up because we were just talking about smart phone award and trying to make sure we get off phones in before the end of the year, which is tough, which is really tough with these two announcements right after we kind of like deter whole discussion behind the sincere. But the R G phone a came anyway fourth th, I believe so just before this year. So we're gonna eight and nine out in the same year, I guess.

fun. A lot of a lot of company started doing that. And it's yes.

not we've been put we've talked about this numerous times how like companies just keep pushing their data closer and closer, like the samsung first galaxy series used to come out around like march and now it's all the way up the second week of january and you wanna a pick into the same year this no.

I mean, call context. Amit used to be in december and then I just kept getting moved earlier and earlier and earlier. IT was december and then november and then october and now it's like kind of in the middle actor, yeah no, I might be a summer thing at some point.

And I heard the reason was because all of these companies, uh, want exclusivity deals to be the first one to launch with the new chip set OK. And all the other companies are like what you can delay us that much. So they basically keep moving the summit up so that they can have like show me, release their phone first.

Can see that because a couple years ago, do you remember their way of showing off the new trip set? Was they made that like caul com phone like that? No one cared about that because there's a phone that wasn't really gonna ist on the yeah that wasn't exist. So partnering with an actual phone that's coming out, is we cooler? I mean, in general, the snap raging event is kind of boring because it's harder first to reference IT directly to a product that we use all the time. That's why it's easier to talk about apple chips because they talk about them in the same thing as the phone releasing where snap dragon has to early com has to be like here's the thing we're making that could be in a bunch of different phones, but it's not even all of the android phones. Some of the android phones that maybe .

you want or looking at yeah um they also say they also say things like twice as fast in tasks like your browser, which doesn't mean a lot.

Didn't you say I was like chrome?

Yeah I think they said google car and it's like, I mean, usually that's just a bottle neck of your network speed. And I don't think people really notice the difference between like how quickly a brother .

er load that's I think these events are kind of tough because they give you these big numbers, but really hard to reference directly where that's benefiting me and and like and and to be fair, the graphs on apple events, we've made fun because this is two x more than some windows the top. Using .

any these graphs .

in school, you can really be like, this isn't even a graph. This is a dry I don't know what tell you yeah and every year.

the summer tends to get longer and longer. And that's because they just have more partners come on and basically .

announced new products. I think like riviere was there this year. yes.

Yeah, because they didn't announced a google like automotive thing um two years ago or so. Ho SHE was there to talk about android. It's they just have a lot of partners. It's a very boring event but at least the new stuff .

coming out IT is yeah so I have one more thing to wrap up this section. Okay, stop talking about the damn chip. Why are all the nerds talking about the chip inside the phone? Sorry, I just said that I was like, we were talking about this and then I went on your twitter. And so this is the banner. I was like, this has to be talking .

about the s about tensor, a tensor channel. And someone is called on google tensor amic computing and whatever. And the guy commented, stop stocky about the charm chip. Why are the nerds talking like the phone is like, bro, the video is called tensor.

The snapdragon should open with this comment .

that very old nws anyway um yeah, we can move on. Another thing that came out this week was the apple .

airports pro to hearing test.

If you can hear that you are officially a nerd. Nice nerds can't hear that I .

didn't understand.

So you're not a nerd, I guess.

Sorry, I was trying to be trying to do a town like straight on like a hearing test and work.

Yeah I did the hearing test this morning. Um for those that don't remember, apple basically was like all airports, s pro two are now going to be able to be used as hearing a devices. They got F D A clearance. So now basically if you are on I O S A T point one, you have a pair of airpower. Ds pro two, you can take a hearing test, which effectively tells you whether or not you have hearing loss, and then can recommend that you wear your airports basically as hearing aides yeah.

I thought IT also was just the hearing. Last thing wasn't just for hearing is but also because there's the like if you're wearing a concert or a lot events is just like you should test yourself to see what your current hearing loss is yeah and maybe you should start using to protect yourself during those right .

totally ah you can turn on hearing protection for being at a concert and stuff like that, which is a good idea because these headphones are basically taking all this noise and like lowering those high frequency so that they don't damage your years.

I think eighteen point one comes out next week at the time of recording IT.

But you tested IT.

I tested this morning. Yes, how long do you take? He took seven minutes and forty two seconds.

okay. And I know that because I did a screen recording for adam. okay. What in the video version of the ticket?

Thank you. How easy was IT what you have?

So basically, IT shows this screen and IT has a little kind of glowing orb that you tap when you hear a tone o and so IT does each year, does your after first in the new .

right here. And IT goes like B, B, B, B, B. Yeah and then kind of hearing this doesn't hear any of that. Go go. But I mean, IT did.

There would be like thirty second periods of time where I heard and nothing and I was like gogo, but I came out of IT and I said I had little to know hearing loss. So that was good. So I guess I can keep going to all the concert.

We are flex. But okay, thanks.

Can you stand right next to the speaker in the front?

Yeah so yeah, I mean, I think that's a pretty it's a pretty big benefit for people that own these things.

Do you know if I could take that test on your phone if I don't have an iphone?

Yeah, you could. okay.

It's not like a set up to your health account or anything like that.

Just well, the results show up in your health account, but it's not like it's like these aren't David years okay, you know you know but yeah, I could probably cancel out my results from IT if you just wanted to take IT.

yeah. And then it's only which airports .

airports pro two OK because he needs the seal to make sure I can like.

yeah.

why not the first airports pro moor?

No chip set or money, maybe money. money. Yeah, likely money. So yeah.

I mean, that's I we talked to her, her I was a lot of our favorite parts of the last apple event was actually like the hearing aid and hearing protection part of the airport ads, most the rest of yeah.

I mean, I think most of the time, the things that are actually benefiting you in everyday life are the things that are very, very helpful. And so hearing does benefit you.

Yeah, everyday life.

I ent to this pink fluid tribute band concert, and we were sitting way to close to the front. And IT was painful. IT was painful. So I think something like this would be actually very beneficial.

Yeah, I would like to take IT afterwards. Yeah and see, I don't think my hearing great if i'm honest.

Yeah I mean, to be clear, you you can probably use most wireless headphones that have and c to like make these concerts less damaging here.

That was what is that true? Or airport specifically good at that. So like this might be a really stupid question.

What makes a good pair of hear hearing protection at a concert? Because, like, I don't want to go and screw up the music that i'm hearing, but I want to protect my ears. Earplugs like I can just go with a pair of.

I think .

you go with the r pix regular and plugs that I want to wear to sleep and I hear anything you okay. I mean.

headphone speak very carefully here because because we're .

on the edge of the .

but to my understanding.

allegedly, allegedly.

there's a bunch of different kinds that your plugs you can use, right? Most of them, like the two most common kinds, you're going to see phone and wax. Your plugs Operate by creating a seal like a really, really tight seal that actually stops energy from being mechanically transferred into your um ear canal uh thank you about uh there your body does not perceive sound with the small bone filament inside ear canal on with your ear drum. You actually have lots of different ways you can hear sound. You have your go clear.

go clear.

but I can't remember if the coca is the one you you can you say like the vibrations of your scholl can be perceived as hearing. The vibrations of like your chest cavity can be perceived as hearing. There's like lots of different ways.

So just plugging your ears doesn't necessarily like stop you from hearing. However, foam and wax plug's stopped sounds at a really uneven frequency thing, frequency rate scale. It's the morning.

So what happens? A lot of people, when they use foam earplugs at a concert, all the high frequencies go away first, and the concert towns really boring and muffled and actually hard to hear. Things like a singer and then also like big boomy base sounds just sort of coming uncompleted.

What makes a pod's really cool because it's an active thing and they're monitoring themselves. They can give you a really flat frequency response. And if you check your apple watch, like it'll tell you, like without your plugs, it's this or without your podds, it's this volume with your podds. You're perceiving IT at this volume does IT usually give IT to you in like an ocean safe volume in your airports? That's what always tells .

me .

how safe is that? Like I don't I don't know. It's to think it's like how much can you trust the parameter on your iphone? Yeah you know like I mean.

there is a noticeable difference when you put IT in and you're listening at a concert and your ears are not hurting.

there's a noticeable difference. And like there's a noticeable difference going from ear plugged to the airports. There are situations where the because of like the complex nature of sound in space, like the airports have gotten messed up like i've been at concerts where i'm sort of like not in a direct path of the speaker and i'm getting a lot of like speaker reflections around the room. And I can hear like the timing of the and he started to get a little, if you I don't know if I ever answered the direct question.

Yeah he was just saying, do our airports special for any reason? I've used pixel buds at a concert and I was.

I was fine. Yeah I the only ear buds that i've used and been like, this is straight up, like not working or the bows, quiet comfort buzz. Oh, where I I found that those drivers did not have enough excursion to like actually do a lot of low frequency stop.

And as the drivers were bottom ing and out trying to cancel the lays, they were creating harmonics. And all the sudden, like the signals that would be created to cancel out what was already in the air, we're like distorted. And I can hear just those. What is in work? interesting.

okay.

But I think just as far as like the airports, as far as i'm aware, like some of the highest excursion drivers in an earbud as well as having ridiculously fast compute, like I really imagine, things are much Better. Yeah yeah.

And I mean, they have official fda clearance, which is .

like but isn't .

for .

for being a also the adaptive mode .

in is just so good really. I used to hate IT and now i'm like, I live in a i'm .

willing to give IT a swing again.

I don't like in the city. It's just like, it's amazing. okay. Anyhow.

anyhow, thank you. A lot of people were like wondering whether or not airports for going to be eligible for their like health aga benefits if you can use your insurance for IT. So far, I don't believe anyone's doing that yet. But in the past, the insurance has paid for things like a fit bit and is actually lower your insurance if you commit to like hitting certain goals on fit bit and that kind of stuff. So as possible that airports could eventually .

be covered by. Yeah I if I remember correctly to remember the um the pants with the like uh leg joint that helps you like walk that I can remember what .

they are called, not the that .

was name in the company. I just remember them talking about how like how hard IT is to get to the point of like becoming a medical device where that would be accepted on insurance. Um i'm sure apple is way Better at doing that then like a start up company, but I think getting to that point is pretty hard.

And I feel like this is just an assumption here. But hearing protection is like generally something you need unless you're working in the space as like A A fun thing to do, where if you can do a fip IT, there are usually like if you can hear ten thousand steps for twenty days of the month, that is an overall health benefit thing. That will they assume what you pay lesson insurance because you're healthier individual, where going somewhere to blow yours out is an ideal activity? Don't know unless you're .

working in just hearing parsi protection and as a hearing that is like F, D, A cleared.

Yeah I would not doubt if I at least fighting to try try and get some sort of coverage. Um i'm wondering if people outside of the U S. Like what what are you guys talking about because we haven't seen insurance things recover health in the us. Basic impossible.

Yeah the hearing IT h industry is definitely to step their game up though because they're generally extremely expensive and can not be used for things like good music listening.

So I I know nothing about here.

Heard a lot of people talk about hearing it's on on socials last a few weeks and it's been like these were extremely expensive. They're kind of hard together. They're really the tech is really outdated. So yeah, we will see if that happens. Now we can talk about the try fold.

There's a trifle the same sung, the samsung try for the rumor Z Z D net in korea reported. That is, in the works, screener folds twice, just like the X, T, planning to release the next year alongside a flip type product um and says the report notes the sentence display. Yuan has already completed development of parts for the trifle model and everything is ready to hit the market.

I would bet that we've had this ready for a long period of time. If you look at the last few doxy folds, they're pretty much all identical.

Yeah.

very close to identical. It's funny too.

because this would be the this makes sense to be called the see for all the lot of people brought that up in our X T thing but you actually do the try for that can make A Z which is very funny um even though the samsung called the z food that doesn't make um I wonder there are some other people reaching out to us talking about V X T and how in china IT seems like a lot of them are breaking um which makes sense with the outside fold I mean when that's getting hit against although their little case has that like the thing that snap on to protect that corner right um but IT seems like there are a lot that are breaking so that will be interesting. I want to say samsung, you know, if they do release IT, they would have a way to protect that. But they also released the first thing that everyone broken yes.

to fix that yes yeah. If IT is true that they have been building this for a very long period of time though, maybe they actually went throw those steps to check for that. But you know, I want to believe ah I want to believe but when you send something onto the wild, it's always going to have different user use and testing and we like to break well.

yeah you know what i'm most excited about. I really hope that flip type .

product is a try flip. What do IT .

flips twice and thirty?

That's what i'm going around. Various .

pictures on this.

They should do IT yeah, the double flip and then an L.

G wing hit. Honestly, that is what's show off. This isn't the .

game cubes starting animation. Just mix the g yeah yes, that's next. The peak folding for that.

I just keep that is .

just the cramp le phone .

that is just like crumpy phone. And then they could start an APP where folding phone enthusiast could meet each other. It's .

called hinge. I like that. Nice job that .

includes samsung coverage. cool. I think we should take a review work.

The one a trifled enthusiast could be called hinge, too.

OK, two, two. Inge, two. Serious, two. Hinge two years.

First question.

dear listeners.

I hope you enjoy this last episode of the way from market because .

markets is going to.

First question um so we gave the magic mouse A A lot of crap here except Alice and Michael who love them .

but there was something .

else there was a previous version of an apple mouse yeah the one with the little gray ball in the .

middle one that circle.

yeah, what is IT called?

I have no idea. And I think .

I had to .

use that in in middle school though .

I did I little every time at .

the .

circle. No, no, no.

no, no.

no, no, no. I was like, yeah clear and then had like a White part on on the bottom and then I was totally clear. IT had no right click. IT had side click and had this little time in the track pole was the size of like a red for that, right? I remember I don't actually really said.

but I do know that mouse, I was thinking mag, one that yeah was awful. I was just insane.

yes. So what is the name of that month?

I have a guess. But pretty shirts wrong. And it's a it's guys.

I'm really dance. It's wrong. So let's take a break.

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Such a iphone for details are welcome back a right now we have the nature c spectacles new version. I don't know if they're called something else.

Expect that a great question because when I was trying to tell tim what put on the the mail this week, I was like, the snapp are spectacular, but not the old ones. But I do I change either? I think you have to surge snapt spectacles for. And this comes on, my gosh.

uh, well, we have them in the office and Andrew and Alice both had the opportunity to try them metal o ryan glasses.

But first let we all got to try course.

we all got to try the spectacles. Let's talk because we've talked about them on the pot, but only from the event right now. We all got to try them.

Let's talk about our experience with this first. And then what I want to do is both of these are dev units. These are not going to consumers, and both of them clearly have a lot of things that need to be done before they come to consumers.

But I kind of want you to just do like here, the main pillars we would look at in a review, and lets give a point to each one after this. Yes, I think it's great idea. Let's talk else is wearing them product there .

is not that we're looking.

你 可 no.

absolutely.

you wear. Well, let's start with that. How do they look?

Look like prony glasses?

I think they look cool. I took a picture of Brandon m. That is going to be in the be all over me talking right now that that they just look like Normal classes.

I thought that was the metal arians that that picture is yeah, that's not that these are very different. These are a little more out there. I feel like just looking at you now if I couldn't see the wave guides, the wave guides that kind of blur your eyes or make them look here because unsure, different like squares inside the wave guards in in this room .

where there's lots of different lights and a lot of the lights are very like unsoftened and angular, the artifacts, people, and not like prisoning.

which is something made told about which is the reasons are glass I believe as the s way .

guide yeah .

and met at at all is the reason they didn't like those is because because of lights coming and we can create that rainbow we prism effect sometime .

bags there's a bunch the look on carbon that's one of them for sure.

Yes, I would say though, because of the glass, I think without the lights having the problem, IT feels like a clear of view through them. Spend the metaphors, I thought the medals es felt kind of tinted.

You know, it's hard for me to say this on memory, but I do think you're right, ever so slightly.

And one thing they can do, they have to like a electro chromatic. Yes, you can tend this, yeah, which is also is very cool. But back to how they look. The amount of uh, temple wing that comes back behind your year is like four or financiers.

This may look effortless, less wearing these glasses with headphones. I promise it's not the they barely both fit on my song.

They are super. I think there are two hundred and thirty grams. We were .

what .

does .

that me?

They're double, yes.

but that matter has the pock separately. So IT does correct. Yeah these these are all in the glasses themselves, but IT does connect to your phones. So it's kind of like, where's the computer that kind of but yeah, these are like two hundreds on the grams.

So they're quite a behavior. yes. Can I borrow them for second so I can show the audience how they fit on my head?

Was really hard.

So the where your years just posted IT, there's not a lot of thank here reflects yet. So when I put them on IT crushes me.

yeah your air shape does not .

work with this. Not at all. I look like like when you put your sunglasses on like a four and they like like it's not comfortable at all.

IT looks comfortable.

The top of my year is touching the .

middle of like a boxer.

That's exactly .

what I said. Can I see if I mine?

I think form factor wise, these are all just .

pulled his ears talking the glasses in mind.

You look like pigs are character.

Do they really do stick out really far back? Did they .

definitely make my ears um .

kind of flare out? Flare for .

sure. They're pull .

a month really.

Yeah so as rich, I mean, I would .

never be like, wow, who designed those proa?

Here's the question.

Would you ever look at someone wearing those in b like, that's a cool pair.

Normal glass in new york city yeah .

you know but I said that about the the meta glasses six months ago and then .

I got fooled the metal rabbins yeah oh I they literally are glasses .

now that they are a little when I persave them, I was like, what the hell is the century turned face hugger on this this and then I I saw, I saw someone automatic campus, and I realized they're wearing them for minutes into the yeah.

I think when you just like, look at the glasses, you're like all those are big in weird but then when someone's wearing them and you're around or not expecting .

IT is able these are big yes.

these are big. These look like, I mean, we all set up but .

like three d glasses yeah yeah like the new movie, that gay, the old blow ones.

which you, the old blue ones, when was the last?

They described .

the polarized ones as new. Yeah, I might.

Something here. No, I they are. I know what didn't we .

switch away from the red and blue? And like two thousand, I think the last time I saw the and blue glasses was like .

spy kids three yes, a new east ones here are we going .

to call the ipod nano the new ipod?

The new ipod is the newest ipod. Okay that attract a um experience with these. You both experiences them before me. I tried a little bit this morning, but I think guys a little more comparing .

the actual experience.

Let's not compare yet. Let's just talk about this. So like, what did you all do in this? And what was IT like in the actual A R ness of the glasses.

So there's a few different things that you can do with the the new spectacles, the see, the new spectacles, the new three glasses. Spector, um one of things you can do is sort of this like IT kind of felt like holo lands to me if anyone has try to hold lens similar situation where the field of view is not very high because the actual projector area is just kind of in the center. Do you know what the technical field of view of these are forty eight.

forty three degrees, both meta engineers and are kind snapped at visitors seem to imply that choosing glass as a wave guide also limits the field of view. Yes, supposed to the carbon. Okay.

like it's not as the projector, right, right? But it's definitely kind of like condensate into the center of your field division. So we so just like hello, lens, you sort of have all these different experiences that kind of only work if you're starring directly at them. One of those experiences is, I mean, they they had a whole playground of experiences, uh, which was pretty cool thing. I mean, they are clearly been working on this technology for like a really long time. And so internal a snapshot, they're just building like what are the crazy use cases that we can do with that? They had a classic one, which is where they just have like A T rex that's like walking around and you see the scale of IT and everything but again, without the without a huge field of view as as you remotely turn your head and just starts getting cut off yeah um also .

yeah yeah obviously we don't have any proof this or not in the b checking in out with the snaps chat folks but they made IT seem like there's a pretty large ecosystem of developers already doing are they call them lenses yeah lend each experience .

that well yeah because snapshot lenses are also just the air experiences you use in the snapshot out on your phone totally.

But when we were doing the experiences, I kept asking as this and in, is this a third party thing that you guys have loaded onto this demo unit? And he was like, onest ly, I can't make keep track anymore interesting.

Yeah I mean, I could see people developing on this um but IT is extremely expensive to developing on this for some reason wasn't IT was like ninety nine dollars.

I thought about one hundred dollars a month and you had to purchase a year. But I guess as a developer, if you're developing for something that's not crazy, if you're like a company, I guess yeah, even if you're planning to make something that's going .

to be hopefully makes one pair though.

I believe so yeah .

I that's .

ah yeah so A A big different cheater, I would say, is like the right glasses have really good space, al pinning whether these are much more like holy lands where IT just got a sort of a field of view, a smaller field of view. And then when you look around, you know things are there still, but it's not like, you know the spatial awareness opinion is not quite the same.

I'm wonnerful if like is the pinning that much worse or is just the field of view makes you feel so much worse? So it's forty six degree field of view on the snapshot spectacles and seventy on the metal ring glass. That seems like a significant number and IT feels significantly different wearing both of them like the o ryan glasses.

If you really got to the edge of your view, IT would happen for sure. This feels like i'm fighting to keep things in my view, especially it's close. Um I did like the lego experience, which just puts like some legos on a black and just by like turning my head to look down, I would just like saw off half of the lego that I was looking at yeah and it's not that they weren't pinned well on the table.

They actually did like a really impressive job at that. But just anything I tried to do, I was cutting part of IT yeah a significant amount of the time. Okay.

so I didn't get to try the eye tracking part of the iran glasses, which these do not do you? I did find about the space al painting to be Better on iran. And I found the and I think this is kind of the same technology, the hand tracking to also be way Better um on a ryan, not that these were unusable, like totally usable yeah but um I definitely found felt myself like trying to do things to like make them work Better, whether the the metal gas is felt pretty and distinguish from the hand tracking on a quest sure where you can just do all the same yeah yeah.

I'm a question for both of you. Um a lot of people that have tried iri and have been like this is our best look at the future yet and they are seem very excited about IT. But people have tried this and they're not really saying that. And I tried this and I felt like they took hollands, which to be fair, holland was pretty big and they shocked IT down into these, which is kind of impressive even I just really think the technologies is incredible, incredible. So what would you say about rhyme is significantly more like jar dropping than these?

I think like, if anything, there? No, no, there are plenty of things. And I think we might also just start pitting them again in each other this point.

because I think that starts answer ing a yes.

I am. First thing I want to just really pin on the fight of view. We all play the golf game on this try. K, that was the sorry, that was the one that most made me realized.

That is important.

Yeah you like look at this whole ahead of you and IT exsudations back and then IT shows a line to the ball and you kind of have to follow the line because you're shooting into this window or the golf and then the ball is actually on the environment that you're in. But just like every time you would look, you just would see all these ways is cut off.

And I I think what's kind of weird about this is because it's smaller and it's such a perfect rectangle. You don't realize when you move your head, you start chopping things at an angle and that just feels even more weird when often are the the metal glass because the field of view is larger was generally on the outskirts of your eyes. And when you're turning that much, it's very hard to hit an edge of something you might be projecting. I know this like really we keep saying markets and I realized this when we're talking the other day like kills the emerge by air glasses shouldn't really be immersive but the kind of just the .

way that's tricking your brain and the thinking it's like, really thanks yes.

Yeah IT kills that pretty.

I think they answer you a question, David, which is a really good question, is that I personally did not come away after trying both these glasses, thinking like the iron ones are noticeably more inspiring or like noticeably Better than the spectacle. Les, um I think they both have strength in different areas over although I think the meta glasses were a flash er pony show like the um yeah I don't know do you I think the that I .

always so let's this to me I think is the biggest thing that like what let's imagine these as if they were consumer products, like the thing that I would want IT to be and like which neither they are. Neither they are where you know, like I guess we can kind of take this and think of IT as like this is what they should become yeah, down the line. But let's like about form factor first. These are supposed be glasses that you kind of wear like all day.

do you think so, David, I were .

literally .

having this, and I want to hear the first car about, do you wear these all day? Or do you put them on to .

do stuff and then take them off to be a person?

So all day, I day all .

day out and not at home. If you're .

making a computer for my face, I want to be able to put IT on and think about IT. I do look .

not to be very pessimist ke, but like, does everyone really want glasses that you wear all the time that are computer connected? Because at some point the you're gonna .

start coming? Yes, yes.

yes.

You not. I ark, yeah.

And also like do we really want .

a future where you're sitting in coffee shops, scrolling rails, but no, nobody even knows what you that you're doing that like you're gonna subway surfers plan off the side way you're trying to have a conversation with your mom like.

I have big I sorry mom have a Better conversation.

I also from matter anyway no, no, no.

But in this beautiful A R future.

yes, with Better premium as .

not like the whole idea of like being able to dive into some computing by putting on the glasses while still not being like taken out of because i'll be real, i'll be real. I'd rather have a coffee shop full of people with A R glasses on tiktok than a copy shop full people with airports and their phones on tiktok.

Well.

you going to wear the .

airports?

S won't know because the leg and I think I i'm not right about that. Oh, that being said, A I S Y, David, I think the battery life restrictions on these things are a good thing.

I can't think.

don't make IT, don't make a Better. Yeah, keep IT there. Any of the ads are really worrying because it's it's a sad world. When you're in the car with your bud, you're in a road trip, you're both when you're speckles and you and you look out the window and you both stare .

the same area and you see different billboards. Right now, if we're trying using for share a little bit of the tech on the .

fact we're ve in this .

conversion .

though of like do you wear them for a few hours? So like when company is started using like HTC, vives and all of that stuff in actual practice, there will be pressed places that say like beamed up Mercedes is using vives to like design the interview of the cars. I'm not sure if that actually was a thing that they like implemented full on or if they did IT once that they could have .

a press release while should they be a hard, hard holidays.

That's their point that point.

Um but either way, you know those are tasks that you are specifically using the device so that IT is Better while you are designing the little bit of this car for an hour and a half, right? And so I think we've looked at things like the a apple vision pro in a similar way, right? Like oh, you want to do a video call, a face time call with someone and you want to feel like this telepresence, they're flooding in the room and you're doing in this over here like they're kind of positioning as a work and entertainment device, but they're not positioning that as like in all databases.

And I understand it's because it's a headset and not a pair of glasses. Um but for a for a computer to be on your face all the time, I feel like that would be Better for people to use IT for a specific task and then put IT away. The thing that kind of makes that tRicky is that they're trying to make IT look as much like a Normal pair of glasses that you would Normally wear all day as possible. And so I do think the future were headed towards the future where they're trying .

to get that eight hours. Yeah and that's that's because at the end of the day, both meta and snapshot are companies whose business models rely on attention, increasing engagement and increasing .

time because both of are things that stay in your face for a significant part of your day, not just pulling IT out for when you want to use, which is a shame.

I I saree.

that's how I want. I guess like if i'm going out for the day, I don't want to have to bring like a pair of some like I want my sunglasses to just have the things and IT already. And when I want that, I I if that about thinking of the world all day.

I just want to be a regular pair of glasses all day. And then when I need to use IT, it's just there in what .

the meter rabbis are supposed to basically.

but they have no projection. No, no.

But that's still the world that they're like looking towards, right? They're trying to make these in the foreign tor of the meta bands. That's like the ultimate goal.

This is all the same as a form factor, assuming we're only wearing these for an hour at a time. These are just too big to be comfortable.

just first.

too big to become .

for in factor the medicine win. And by a mile.

I'm laying IT down here first. I'm pro poc.

I was just gonna.

I disagree because these of the space you .

save in the glasses that I would assume is because in part because of the compute park is cool and IT fits into my fantasy of when I need to use these, I take out my glasses and a cute little glasses case. I take out the puck and a cute little park case, and I put IT on the table and I use my glasses, and then i'm done. I rap IT all up, and I I go back to being a human person with blood. My perfect example.

my perfect this case for this are these glasses, the snapshot ones with no puck. Because the computer is in my phone, i'm already Carrying around the puck. Let me just use the brains in that thing.

Yes, I mean, I would prefer not to Carry an extra piece of a cup. Yeah, yeah.

But the only reason the metal o ryan glasses have a pocket because they can make a phone, if they could just make a phone and people would use IT IT would be in the phone.

Think you make an APP that's all snapped.

yeah. But then apple is going to take thirteen percent.

Now I see her, her. I still think as far as foreign tor goes, I like the idea of lighter weight, more comfortable glasses and a companion I like IT. I'm sorry. So you don't need your phone.

I guess the the benefit there is you don't need your phone. I mean, the ultimate form factor is just the glasses.

What about this? What about glasses that you can wear all the time, but they work so well as regular glasses that are like transition lenses or whatever that you can like, have them be off. And then when you want to use the computer, you can turn them on.

That's that's that's what yeah but .

I think that the idea right now is just that they're always sort of running in the background and giving you like additional like A Q and that kind of stuff like you don't think about IT you walk up to a new person IT says Andrew above your head.

I don't think that's necessarily they're forcing that early thing. I think I think we're imagining things because meta is bad, which I don't disagree with. But I think like I don't think they've ever said that this is just onna start playing things without .

you asking or doing things but they haven't not said that .

yeah and we've all use facebook so for factor which one right? Yes, but having .

done to try this.

so I have no just form factor.

I mean, like you saw them on people's faces.

which one looks more like definitely looks more like lak.

but style points for the speckles nice like .

yeah they do looks like .

and you can call the specks.

which is a plus if I like, there's two sides. There's one side. It's like the right outfit.

We roll up to the club at one I am, you're get in with those. The other side is if you wear any orange at all, you will become vector spectable me. So, you know, whatever I the four .

factor I want is the original generation of spectacles.

But yeah.

those were the next meeting resolution. disgusting.

That is not a question because, uh, the snaps, trs, spectacles have such a Better resolution. Yeah.

right ones. The actual projections on the stables spectacles are what feels .

like miles ahead. And we have to say over IT, they were like we could have made a higher resolution, but we were prioritising battery life and saving compute for other things.

OK a question for you guys. Sce, you tried IT. Do you think that's the right trade off? Would you take a hit and resolution to have more power like that?

I think both of the battery lives are terrible on this. So but I don't it's a really a resolution .

and field of view.

field of view. That's that's a really good question. I'd rather have .

to feel you. But I also I think we should and this make we can talk about this morning into the actual experiences, assuming that there was a major compute hit on like either IT was like literal compute or like the extra thermal load you need to be able to take up by doing that much more compute. I did find the experiences to be a lot more in racing on the snap chat, spectacles.

Wait, but those are the higher resolution ones. yeah. So what have?

I mean, I think there is more experience. I mean, we can talk about that.

I just a lot of stuff can do that.

Experience snapped as spectacles have way more things than I .

think for rine, Better things and Better like .

I I going into experience.

David, I have been saying this for a while. You can use an example of your product as i'm too stupid to do this without a computer. You can. So I mean, they were like, I want to make a smoothly and my pension is only smoothly ingredients and I just can't figure IT out it's like or he was like, I go into the grocery store and I have no idea what a summer squash, but my wife will be that it's like, do there are let you don't even take out your one for that one straight up? Like.

yeah, yeah. I mean, in that instance, I think it's more showing off the fact that they were able to pin the names of objects they are specifying. I think that was that was the more important part IT was not what you could actually do with IT. Yeah I mean, I yeah I agree it's like that's been in a thanks for letting .

me know I or like that the giant bag this is like stevia IT with giant letters okay, you read that is stevie was impressed. The pending .

was impressive. The recognition the same time, it's like there's a you're making a lifestyle proposition when you're doing stuff like and it's like that the lifestyle proposition is like, do you order jordas h so much that you can identify basic foods? Do you need the rest of your life more like h by thirty thousand lar glass?

I mean, the classic example is like have been to so many chatbot demos, a large language, more demos. And every single time it's like some google engineer who has like thirty patterns and probably a nobel prize and they're just like, so how do I write a social media post about my cute dog? And then the the post that gets written is happy dog day hashtag saturday. You know, I did know whenever we can from this is several let's .

go on .

the list terms like a so series. The my favorite experience was, uh, the ping pong pong, just regular pung. I played with .

my and I know right.

And I was because I was the first time I had ever used M R A R V R and had like a really meaningful shared experience with someone else. I've done multiplayer games with people in quest, and IT was fun. And i've done a few. I I had a great time of my cousins playing this like .

squirl game in VR.

That was yes. But so in VR, being able like c mars and and play a game with him. And then I asked, you know, IT wasn't built into this current thing that they were like that if you had a room for of people also wearing the spectacles, they could like, expect, like them.

Thank you. That's that's cool, man. That's that's really cool.

And you're all right.

I know I thought that was every other experience other than that one I thought was cooler on the best. I think he was called beat lab. IT was like this music making one.

Do I tried that when I could not get IT to work properly?

The action was right. Spectacles, it's pretty rough.

I think I thought the .

experience was so fun that I actually didn't care about how ever was. I thought educational things like looked really beautiful and we're like really engaging. Um the lego thing was I thought I just thought yeah like yeah I .

don't think the easy thing .

here is the the room we did with an spectacle or though the iran glasses was like five experiences, maybe I was video chatting, make a smooth e pong that arcade airplane game and earn .

and go on instagram and .

go and the instagram map. That's also not on ipad snapp cha. You open up the first menu of experiences and there's already more than that, and then you can score for what feels like quite a while. So there ten x the amount of apps on spector, whether it's just are not so great golf game yeah, it's not the story but the right things weren't. I think apps .

experience snap, this is kind of snapshot bread button. It's having working on for years and like clear matter, has a lot going on. So their lean team, you know oh my IT is funny that they build instagram for a before they built for the ipad makes me.

man, make that stuff up. Um let's go since you guys both briefly talked about IT though um like controlling um so I can just call a hand tracking because it's different on the right. There's hand tracking as well as the best .

yeah was on how we counting the E M.

G band. Yes, it's part of the package. I feel like yeah IT doesn't need IT, which I think by itself is a great thing that matter did was like, you can get this, but I don't need IT. If you pass your classes off to someone else.

they can use check. yeah. So I never actually got to try the M.

G. So I can compare them both on computer vision, hand tracks. I do that then I let you guys died in the hand. So the the winner here for me was orion IT. Maybe was because I used to the quest system and i'm familiar with the gestures and how to make the really clear in star, but I felt like get more accurately got that.

Um I did if feel like the snack spectacles had really nice and easy physical buttons on them and i'm looping that in with just like general band less control if that was really cool and but overall, I didn't other than the hand track and clarity, I didn't find one of them to be dramatically Better than the other one. An interesting thing to note is if you like, hold the right glasses. There's cameras everywhere on them.

If you look at these, there's only two cameras on the front but on the bottom, despite IT looking like smooth plastic, there's actually inf red cameras ah and those are the downward facing cameras. I think they actually might be there. I don't nurture know where they are, but I do know they're in there and and that's how they looked down in your hands. And I thought that was a really nifty fact for us .

to give you here with. I will I think it's pretty easy to describe how good the band was. And that's imagine the dragon vision nice, the uh, apple vision pro.

Like first of all, you get to use your eyes to look at things, which I think is best way of selecting things inside of A R V R is a, well, would you do to a calibration process? The sorry again. So so imagine the apple vision pro I selecting and tapping, except because you have that respect, you get feedback with that every time as well.

Yeah, it's fantastic. I think it's like so much Better um and then being able to do like flipping and scrolling is awesome. That band itself and the fact that it's like very minimal that doesn't feel like you're wearing this giant like handcuff for anything it's in T.

M. wearing. We went to eat lunch and forgot he was wearing.

forget you're wearing, you like oop there.

So I think control wise, metal winds.

like hands down, hands and hands, literally .

anywhere you want back. Wow, which I do you like hand right?

Yes, that is kind of crazy .

because we talk about the on the vision pro. IT has like a really wide field of vision for what you're doing with your fingers. But that's because IT has those lenders on the bottom area where IT points down, but you can't do behind your back. I don't really know you would want to do that, but at least at least you could.

I mean, I technically, like in my hood, could be doing controls inside of my hood.

yeah. Like, you know, I feel like a lot of this is gonna used for evil stuff. So and you're in your big living room and you're pacing.

yeah, behind your back, right? The evil villain pace.

yeah. Because evil .

humans plot with their hands behind the back. Evil flies are the ones that lot with their hands. One of them .

for you and .

I was so close to cutting up and I have to keep IT that was.

how is man alright penning we .

kind of talked about yeah think painting .

and tracking is the same technology .

right .

um um like I feel like tracking.

I think of hand .

tracking and pinning.

I am talking about like pinning things in the physical world and them staying.

Where do I get that? But like it's not this tracking, it's just tracking a 3d space with .

the snapshot spectacle。 Les, when you like lay something on a table, if you walk away and come back, is IT in the same space?

I had a window floating by my desk that came back.

Yes, really on this. yes. I can .

confirm if you think about IT.

that's both of these companies know how to do that already. A snapp check for doing you with A R things inside of your phone and snapshot forever. They're good at inning the dancing where you and do in question .

things like three years.

They're both great that IT. So I don't know if I have a clear winner on that. It's easier to see all the things you pin on the the glasses because the degree of degree they are probably pretty well.

Yeah from what we tried. I mean, it's also we've all tried these for twenty minutes each yeah yeah so not not anything too crazy. Yeah speakers, it's minimal.

If you're going to ask me which pair of these speakers are Better, that's like asking a pizza shop like who makes a Better slice lunch ables are lunched either .

the pizza .

like once gad example.

Uh, this will be my only thing. It's not even sound quality whenever anyone was using the metal glasses. I never heard IT as an outsider, these spectacles, whether the volume, I was just too loud, but I felt I heard .

everybody loses are good at when you're playing music, just playing them directly. Not that is true. So that could be using.

and I don't know if we just turned this on to lab, but everyone I heard with this, I heard you guys.

I think Better matter ABS like they probably took those learnings for the meter, abbas. And they definitely like those are product, product products. So they have to be out in real world and work correctly. These are extremely demo unit. Yeah and I know that the iran glasses are also demo units, but they still tried to make them more products like .

what you're saying. They most likely they took the learnings from an actually that the version that's the only reason I would give around the .

speakers and I did not come away from those experiences feeling like they were significantly yeah .

different in any way .

except isolation I guess .

yeah I was one wearing yeah um battery life.

This is literally just a .

number of ryan is Better .

yeah by double yeah .

but that makes IT worse for the reasons I said earlier well.

even if you want them but wouldn't you rather than if you're using IT minimal .

ally to then have to charge .

no um the last thing I have on here is the actual lens material itself and how that affects using them. At first I was gonna the snaps of spectacles because glass, the glass. And I thought IT feel like a clear I keep on in the called pastor. But you know, seeing is just what I really is. Um A R yeah because .

the silicon .

carbide had what felt like kind of a tin and like IT almost. L I like felt like I was looking to something. But then now seeing is in more direct lights and seeing that person effect, I do think that like affects the actual um I like things .

on your in order to say the next I am .

going to say I put him on the .

index of refraction with a glass wave guide is worse and create weirder artifacts, weird rainbows and IT is a little clear. The thing that I would describe the like overall .

like take experience is .

and .

I understand this is something of a very few people have like actually seen but sorry, taking off the glasses, it's very award um if you've ever got the chance to hold a raw like A L C D panel like not in an enclosure like just .

took up to a power .

supply and .

um and then you on he licks all of the Crystals at once. Yes, by sending like a peer pattern that is what .

H I know exactly are talking about OK.

okay, but engineers listening.

this might have done that I still think very .

few people have done. Everyone goes to alibaba t cost. But that's that's what I would compare to like, like an unhoused LCD fully unhealed.

Does IT change your opinion at all that using silicon carbide, potentially tex, is the Price of whatever IT is? Well.

that's an interesting point here that I think we can. I mean, it's all death stuff, so that doesn't really matter. Yeah, these are available for people .

who want to develop .

for outsides and a month expense is .

basically una tania unless you work for meta.

Yeah and IT seems like and if you listen after this outbreak, markets is going to do an interview with boys and I believe you throughout the number two thousand and thirty thousand unit and i'm pretty sure he did not fight back .

on that looked instagram, not on a phone, is expensive.

So those yeah those units are significantly more expensive. Yeah.

they did say something interesting at that briefing, which was they believe that silicon carbide is the the future technology for this product class becomes like a widely adopted thing. But they also said if the industry decides they're going to glass, they're ready to make the switch like they're not willing to die on the silicon carbon hill, even though they believe eventually IT will be the dominant wave guide material.

Evan speel told us that he thinks that glass is going to be at that. exactly. I think, oh, I guess that I guess that's all the categories.

So I do you have any other questions about iran IT or of you just by power explaining a yan? What do you think would be the more enjoyable experience between the two?

I mean, I think that the little things often make for a Better experience. And the little things, in my opinion, are going to be how good IT is actually like tracking what you want to do with the input, with IT a the field of view. Those things are things that like you kind of got ta get the fit and finish before people actually want to put IT on their face.

Because if even if you had like a really, really good software, if the inputs bad, you're going to use IT. You have really, really good software. But IT only works here.

It's not going to be immersive. So I think that kind of stuff is the stuff that eventually going to win out. This isn't to say I mean, i'm sure that natacha is working on much more details of these that have like much wider field of view and all those different things. Um you know I don't probably release something the next year.

So I I I totally agree like as much as I want resolution to be so much Better, the field of view was like the field of view and literally wearing IT on my face, which is not folding my year and hf, the entire experience itself. Yeah so I have to like vote for the iron glasses on this. Um I would not be surprised if the eventual consumer version of both of these look vastly, vastly difference because like the that chart of what the urine glasses looked like over the last couple of years, they showed us the first one was gigg antic yeah and then within like a couple years, something that actually is under a hundred grams.

yes, I still really want to try around because a lot of people were like, it's absolutely the future is incredible and I just don't get that from A R right now.

You have to I think, and maybe a good me, this you have to look at IT in the most optimistic viewpoint possible, come to that conclusion. And I think if you if you can see like how far it's come to get to that and how much they have to do. And so small of a form factor and like do all the stuff that is super impressive. But if you just took that pair of glasses and want to like a friend of years and said, hey, try this out, they would be like, this is, why would I ever .

use interest?

I think. And this is no shade anyone. That said, the iron glasses were the future and amazing. But I think if you would try the snapshot once first, you would have probably like, I don't really think the iron glasses in particular like this super special thing also remember, it's these word day view is part of like a brief ing like people didn't just try these. They listen to executives talk about how they are for an hour and then .

tried them like we do that .

was a lot of stuff yeah and you know sometimes we go to hawaii for a weekend and and look at qualcomm chips. Um yeah, i'm a free I A free idea that any developer can take this if an A R experience it's called anti meditation and its goals to do the exact opposite of what a meditative experience supposed to do.

So the whole idea is like you have your glasses, right? And then i'm assuming if you other glasses you are wearable out, you've got the woop, you've got the ring in this universe, you've got the there ono's chip that's like track in your blood. And all of these health metrics s your eight sleep matters.

All of them on the lens is as like a permanent HUD. You ve got like sixty five and the whole ideas, you can constantly just look and see what's going on in your body. And over the years, your personal like instinctive relationship about your own bottling inserts will be disintegrated by despite the concept, and eventually you will be completely detached from all your inner thoughts.

feelings and urges.

Just want to say that I was like to prior to goes this every day.

So if you want to steal that idea, it's all years officially in the public domain. Um speaking of brian Johnson.

okay. So after this um after the next outbreak, markets is going to be talking to meta C T O boz about the iran glasses uh IT seta. So we'll cut to there soon. But first hat you thought I was going to say trivia just letting you guys .

know the book's palmer too has just .

they didn't that would have been great. Has a new processor IT has the fingerprint reader is built into the power button now and IT runs under at thirteen. And that IT.

you didn't have a camera .

that is a cheap version that's launching in china of the official books. Pala two still has the exact same camera and the exact same resolution screen. Yes, he exact same everything and it's the exact same Price.

People spend so much money like unlike photo editing apps and like after. Facts, filters and like all this stuff, to make their photos look a type away. And that books, paul, a camera just nails IT in .

body pala photo documents.

And it's, if you, it's so do I love that camera so much? Yeah, I will.

I I bring my books .

back tomorrow, has been a few weeks since i've daily IT, but then I I got to celebrate with my, with my palmers out there.

Yes, so we will have to get a books, books.

books, book. I it's books, I think book.

I think one in the office test IT out and it's exactly first, but at least buy them now because I was very different to buy the boom.

the number one pula box ala. Influencer in the world just created a storm.

You and David beers probably told eighty percent of the of the market .

day that I was first. Actually.

I think you, actually, I think that me.

no, here, here. yeah. Sorry, I was first. I think I know.

I think the dump one video is before.

I don't think so.

He mentioned in the news letter, I think I was like, oh, even tried this, but it's kind of cool and then I shocked the world by and then I then I thought David wrote, IT up again will .

do a deeper time line dive yeah coming up but OK until then, let's take A A trivia.

Second question, what is buses real name like it's really .

yeah like his first name.

I will give bonus point because Alice has an actual question but no, I want the full name. I'm thrown in the bonus question. Just keep you .

any two bonus and that .

was the bone question. Now need real question.

Yeah.

now you're going. The ones that was .

just me messing with you guys.

So what is boz's real name? now? Alice has a real question.

I do a real question. And what's players? As I didn't write IT down, I did write out a question that worked. And then I thought of a Better question, love over here, which is the rig, the returning. The original macintosh A K A, the macintosh one twenty eight k had a lot of features that its competitors had, but IT had one utility feature that would be repeated on the imac g three. What was .

IT can never hit because that feels very broad.

I'm trying to think of him what would be a going to him.

Um the feature .

and i'll give .

you a hand when .

we get today a similar to .

ask me a question, define a utility feature, something you can .

use the computer give .

me at a jacon .

like utility feature.

like another utility feature that the computer had.

This is kind of the one, I mean, it's the original macao wasn't a very usable here is the feature here. It's a design element.

Wait, like wait, that doesn't help at all.

This is one of the iconic parts of this computer. And I actually three.

I have a guess. I have.

I had the eyeborg four clipper. L.

yeah, the power book.

Yeah, the power book.

That shift were only up.

No, not the power book that I book. The one that looks like a climb IT.

looks like the clear at a handle.

a handle built into .

IT IT was a laptop .

with a handle. Yeah, I book g 4.

g three. crazy. Who would ever put a handle on a .

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Alright, boss, thank you for the time course. The expertise. Okay, i'm holding a transparent version of a the irrigated. These are fully functional like everything fits and works in these that right? And when they are transparent like this, I can see that there is a ton of stuff happening in here. What is the most chAllenging part of getting to this plane from all the previous much larger versions at that's right?

There's two parts this that are hard. The first one is that displays just having them exist at all and any form factor is super hard. Ah I always the chAllenges of the tightening. And then the second one is the thermos. I think the reason is as big as is, and we worked hard to get IT down, is the how much technology is running in there is putting off heat and that will cause you to shut down.

That's why the real version has magnesium in this clear process when we uses a demo, but actually would shot down about thirty minutes of use just because the thermos ah so these ones are actually magnesium um it's kind of very cool code magazine to allow one feral disciple tion. So actually these run at the limit to the battery life about two to three hours of active use yeah, and as they, you cannot believe how much we have to put in here to cover, I tracking slam, obviously, the displays, all the wireless, all the audio, all the microphones. Yeah.

quite a bit in there. IT is incredibly visions of me. You have the custom silicon. You're doing a lot of processing to turn the seven censors on the outside into usable data, tracking the outside world, tracking in the eyes. I noticed this, only two sensors on the arms tracking the ice IT.

Yeah, we two centres in the arms. And the gLance of infrared light coming from the inside of the lens and and that's enough to track the eyes really effectively. And we've been so pleased people have noticed that we've gotten and we've think to your industry leading level of I tracking um in this tiny form factor, I was obvious ly of a tremendous feet, not harder software as well. Yeah so don't obviously.

these are going to be shipping to everyone. These are an internal prototype that was at some point considered may be plausible to ship.

When we started, we wanted to ship and externally and actually amazingly, the technologies is working as well. We'd hoped he would back then, the cost and up being much higher. So that's that's my question.

So obviously, there are pieces of this that costly as a low volume, of course, is more expensive. But what does getting to a lower Price actually look like for these? And what is the Price that feels like a good target for potentially the first ever A R glasses that people actually get to use?

Yeah um so the major driver of the cost, ninety of the cost is in the display architecture, and these are custom micro ids that we designed, developed, manufactured ourselves, know there are individually hundreds of thousands of nitch and brightness, and they pipe through these wave guides, silk car bi de wave guides, which is a very cool with this this with this cl material yeah and very chAllenging material to work with, like very hard.

And there's not really a supply chain for growing soden car by Crystals of this clarity at this size and then manufacturing as tough. And that was really what ended up being the thing that set us in the product path of making this an internal prototype that we're using to develop the software for future versions. There is some good news though, which is that other materials have some tradeoffs that are tough um really tough to maintain the field of view that we have without super high next refraction materials like that ah but other materials are much cheaper, much lighter. Like glass years, like glass lithia iba high index refreshing glass, like there's a lot of materials that are we can still do a lot of the same kind of holograms and space really cool virtual visual artifacts that you can manipulate and and that being potentially cheap, er smaller, a little thinner, maybe even a little bit brighter. So there awesome trade ffs, that are it's not all not all bad news.

yeah. I mean, these are also a super, super denser and just tech in general. And the fact that like literally the magnetism on the outside of the heat sink for the components on the inside is a test mate to how well interior this is um talking me about like how you decide about like the future of these products.

And okay, we have almost no supply chain now for silicon carbide, but we think that this is the best option, at least give a shot. What do you thoughts on like expLoring other material? Is this going to potentially be like opening a door for many other manufacturers to try so can Carry and maybe that becomes way forward the future?

Yeah, I love this. There's first of we've always multiphase this thing. So like we when you're building something this risky actually onest ly, you probably have as many failures as we had successes to get to this point.

Um you know we had a lot of technology part but dead ended. But we had enough pass going in parallel that some of them made IT through enough to make this whole product. And so the same is true.

We're going to continue to pursue silk car mode. We're also pursuing with him nine bate in height, next glass. And we're also looking at novel materials. Actually, in research, we've actually run very cool thing I haven't told him about before, took a large language model and trained on material properties, okay, and have now identified a candidate set of materials that could have incredible optical properties and be much cheaper and lighter .

to manufacturer to ask her.

ryan, we just we we that's right. Got IT. And so we've been working with fair on that. So we're not where pursuing every path we can.

And what is really exciting to me is with A I in particular, we see a lot of cool products between the radio medici wearing now, and these are ryan glasses that are all super valid. So what if I had A, I do. I need a huge display.

If what I really wanted to get my answers more efficiently, just visually back to me, then I can have a smaller field of view display, a smaller product, a cheaper product, and that can be fine. As far what the Price is going to be. It's unna.

I did have some of the folks in our research team who've been around a long time, in particular chief scientist Michael brush, who's been through several generations of computing, and he reminded me that he paid the modern equivalent of twenty five or thirty thousand dollars for his first computer back in the one thousand nine hundred eighties. And that wasn't uncommon. And that would be what we're talking about is a retail Price for something today.

And so what's not outlandish? Um I do you think the expectation that we have ask savy modern consumers is a lot higher than that? Um so we want to drive the Prices down. It's hard way to imagine full air glasses coming in for less than a cellphone given that they literally have more than a cellphone groth of technology in them. Yeah, but I think there's a lot of products like these rated medals that are wearing now that between that and this kind of full air glasses that are pretty great and they will hopely come in at Price points in between. Yes, interesting.

Because I think a lot of people see this and this is super cool. This is future is like what there is a potential like a lineup of different products at different Price point. I always i've been saying google glass is ahead its time for so long.

Every time I see these, I always remember google glass had some of the stuff even look and weird, but like I always picture walking through new york city with a little arrow in the corner, I had to tell me where IT to turn for the next subway stop. And the fact that that's actually now potentially with these tracked over the actual street, for example, in real time, just all these examples pop into my head of things that this could do for regular people. Uh, there is killer help that you think is going to convince that air glasses are actually the future .

yeah as they say in our industry, there's no bad ideas, just bad timing. And I think in the case of a google glass, they didn't respect how much people care how they look. And I think it's one of things we tried to design when the reasons were working with luxurious on these glasses is to really rect respect that um the killing use cases are Frankly just this is one of the reasons I love building this internal prototype.

It's a fully working about. You use like the understand works. You can run apps. You can like get into out of the system prety easily.

A lot of our ideas of what was going to be great have not been as great. We talked about the idea we should always talk about, oh, we going to have a chess game between us. But chess is is like a very fitly game actually.

If you never want to do some of chess board, we were just some of the two panel between us and play at that way, where's a bunch of things that we thought maybe wouldn't be great? Have been great. So I I don't wants to put words in your mouth for me, at least video calling, which I was very skeptical.

S why would I want a video call for my glasses? I actually found IT very compelling as I got. This is cool, hands free. I could be animated to the other party via koto avatar. And i'm just like, yeah casually doing whatever I am doing and taking a video call.

I would probably do more video call if if that was the technology that had we never would have guessed that before we built and use the prototype. So it's still super early. I don't think we identify the the killer APP by any means.

But I do think watching video in downtime, things that would Normally kind of take my phone in my pocket to do, but like, like it's inconvenient. I think those things we underestimated degree of friction that little movement creates that we've seen with the way, by meter, with cameras, a little bit of friction of a great cama in your pocket. But a little bit of friction is enough for me to a misa picture of my kid yeah, or do not want to take my camera out didn't intermediate myself from the experience. So there's a bit of things that were going to learn just from having this prototype internally and being .

able to use IT to play with IT. Yeah, that's my huge question, is like I feel like i'm so focused on today's gadgets that I ve have a hard time picking the future without smart phones. I like always just have a thing that we just Carry. But to your point, there are little, little things like that where IT feels like that is something that I actually does Better than smart phones, which is cool. Ah i've also been wearing something this entire video that I don't know if anyone's noticed, which is this response, my risk um which is a crazy tech in itself that is looking at electrical impulses inside my ARM to determine which fingers are touching and and i've heard you guys describe this as a very high ceiling input, let's right, with potential amazing future stuff. Can you talk about that?

Yeah so this is just the beginning. Today, you're using IT to detect taps and touches. It's nice that you can have your hands completely at your rest, which is especially because you don't want to walk with your hands out in front of you. Um and but over time, we think we can do a lot more than, for example, internally, we have a demo with just with that risk and I can detect my handwriting and so I could do text entry just by handwriting in my pocket and I can't believe that.

So you're you're in space.

not even holding a pen. No, just you just at rest and you just start arresting.

you're just writing things in air. And I can detect, based on the electrical imposes moving in my arms, a roughly the shapes that i'm drawing in the air and then create words that's IT.

And that's amazing.

Yes, we have. And if you if you had .

one of each rist, for example, if there was a watch in the early hand that had the same kind of emg technology built into IT, you could also type at at rest and IT could absolutely text what you were typing with very, very high cracks. And so we think there's a lot of upside to this kind of thing. And we've also have discovered this is again, the value building prototype and putting into the world as people have really enjoy the headaches.

You have little haptics feedback. yeah. So you actually have a sense of what you're doing, how you're acting in the system, which we think we can develop a lot more. And over time, this also should be assistant that we can develop to learn you so well that over time actually don't have to really do the full a handwriting. You just kind of do the gesture that you and the machine have coevolved to learn me to you.

Oh wow. So the machine starts to learn me after a while and more fine tune to my own inputs. Everyone's computer is a little bit more find tune towards them, which is true about computing general. That's yeah really interesting stuff.

We have to solve problems that Frankly, our industry hasn't had to solve in a while because ever since you know kind of zog's park and save research institute haus, the keyboard and mouse ah, we've had these like direct manipulation interfaces. It's true that we replaced the mouse with touch streams, but like it's still very direct manipulation and you're just not going to have those things walking around with your A R glasses. So so what are we going to do? And this is, I think, the beginnings of a gesture based kind of language that you going to have to interact with machines.

So I guess the big question is, do you actually foresee this as a next compute platform after the smart phone? Or does this sort of because there is a compute book separately as of right now, there's still a ton of interplay between these and i'm Carrying do you think there is a future where we aren't Carrying anything? We're wearing our full time like daily computer? yeah. I mean.

I want to put words in your mouths. I think this is a device that I when I put IT on a few months ago and the software is running, I was the first time i've been able to imagine not my cell one go like this. Actually, IT does the things that I need to get done.

And IT doesn't pretty well. I want to be clear, like sometimes technology is replaced. The technologies is more often, they find new avenues. Like I still use a laptop and I still use a cell phone yeah and like I using both together is not a problem. And so I think there's a for the foreseeable future, even when these things exist, they're probably going to exist in conjunction itself because .

the tech has a long way to go still like it's a two hour battery life. It's a it's an expensive piece of hardware is a lot between now and that as like a real future, people can imagine that. But if you exit far ahead enough with the lines of site, you have a lot of these technologies that feels real.

Maybe I I think that's right. And I think to really put a fun in your head looking far into the future, imagine a world where you have a universal interface. With this neural interface, any of a universal kind of display with your glasses on now, how do you design everything differently? Cars, homes?

Um so you're home like the famous problem, everyone's home, every microbe is completely incredible. No know how to work any other my grave, like the system of different power controls, like everything, all terrible. Why would you need that if you had a shower?

Probably for now, its let's keep using those controls conventionally. But but for a microwave, for the kitchen at least. H yeah, you don't need everything to have a clock and a display.

You have a permanent display. You don't need to have bunch of button on IT. You have a permanent ability to manipulate things. yeah. And so I think IT starts to get to the point where doesn't just have an impact on whit we're killing a cell phone or not. IT starts have an impact on how other physical goods are designed and built um not to mention obviating. The need for some physical is entirely, if we all had our glass zone, do I need dedicated entire wall of my house to a big TV?

Yeah that's yeah.

This is the far like future stuff that I start a picture when you see how far these prototypes of coming in trade continue fast forwarding and see how how good you can actually get. Um well, i'm really thinking a lot about this. This is one of the most interesting pieces of tech in that wrong that i've seen.

Even I can't buy music and probably won't able to use IT for a while. Really cool stuff. Thanks for for, for me. I welcome back.

That was a great interview. Wasn't wasn't IT you proba didn't know this, but Andrew and I were like three feet away that whole time, just couldn't see us because that's how cameras work um but yeah thank you, boss, for coming on the show and you want to find a little interview with us. Thank you united airlines for flying.

Thank you. My mother a believing me what I was like. I work at a youtube channel now.

My mom does not know what that means. So thank you for let me do IT .

anyway anyway. right. OK.

quick update .

on the scores markets with twenty Andrew lead in the pack. Twenty three, David Carrying the one. Twenty two I I guess in that case, Andrews Carrying the one. yeah.

Anyway, question one, what was the previous version of apple's magic mouse called? And I guess like it's not really the previous region. IT was just a mouths before but like I on our house to freeze that. But the one before the magic house, what was I called?

I'm either right or embarrassingly room.

I've really hope you're right because the name .

is hilarious of hilarious and i'm wrong.

And for read what .

you the apple track mouse.

The mighty mouse.

the mighty mouse.

correct?

Mouse, me.

O, K.

I mouse.

right that way? yes. correct. The apple one. Yeah.

yeah. I was like about the cartoon. No, that mouse was awesome.

That was awesome.

I thought was clear, was, and there was. I was clear I did like .

this house .

I love just side scrolling on a timely which now that's that's like, mark mister, this track he does not even do .

but next monster.

okay, my bonus question, what is buses real name?

What A A bossy the the hair loss dedication ah oh, his name is boston.

correct the bands no boss hoss.

I know this because when mark said we were talking to him, I was like because there also a jaws or was are of them, and there is a what?

Andrew .

bosworth.

Andrew bosworth.

why did you guys what correct? How did you about .

once spell the corner?

How did you know that? Why did you know that? I I know that you guys both look at up.

just no execute when .

we want to matter.

Average speed archman Andrew bosworth.

do you know all of the sea sweet executives at every major test company? Yes.

cool. Named Billy .

Alice question question number two, the original macintosh had one design element utility feature, but I think IT was kind of iconic for and also was repeated on the imac. G three. What am I talking about?

We please, other hand of some kind.

if i'm right, he gave a hand before.

I did give a hint before.

And one another, hers got. Yes, please. It's on apple devices.

No, it's on these .

on apple.

It's on one other product that I know.

Another thing is a thing you can hold.

I drew IT.

So read.

what do .

you got? What is that in a tongue?

This is a handle. No is a keyword. yeah.

Um I don't know. This is right.

Is IT a hand?

This is a handle when you said, IT has an hall and that has a handle.

And then I looked dead in to that. Cameron said, who would ever put a handle on a computer?

How did I not pick up on that? Yeah, yeah. I booked you through outside .

handle and one thing and .

the original baga osh, and I don't know the specifics on this, but i'm pretty sure was he was actually sort of a design fight original apple ah in the origin macintosh, whether or not to put a hand alon IT because this computer is not light, it's not portable. IT doesn't a battery sensibly. You would never take IT from place to place. But IT was just really important in the design language to make you feel like a real tool, like something that that could be used in that way if you needed to. Yeah.

have you seen how can catch fire the show?

I have not handles .

in computer the very important part of that show. Just saying spoiler um no, not really. But you should watch IT. It's very good. It's one of my all time favorite v shows no.

what is this .

called hall and catch fire? It's about the eighty's. Computer revolution has le Epace i n I T.

It's very good. Four seasons, each season gets Better, extremely good. Anyway.

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