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Syria’s House of Cards

2024/12/11
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Natasha Hall:叙利亚政权如同纸牌屋,主要依靠外部势力(俄罗斯、真主党、伊朗等)支撑。一旦外部势力撤离,政权就会崩溃。叙利亚反对派在短时间内取得的胜利令人震惊,其速度远超预期。Hayat Tahrir al-Sham(HTS)组织虽然起源于基地组织,但其领导人阿布·穆罕默德·朱拉尼与基地组织和其他极端组织存在分歧,并与外部势力合作打击极端分子,目前表现出一定的温和姿态。HTS在占领阿勒颇等地区后,采取了安抚少数民族、维持政府就业等措施,表现出与以往极端组织不同的姿态。国际社会应利用HTS的优势和脆弱性,与其进行谈判,争取在权力分享、少数民族待遇等方面取得重大让步。尽管HTS领导人有暴力过去,但目前其公开声明中表示会保护少数民族和宗教信仰自由,并采取措施保护妇女权益,但其长期行为仍需持续观察。美国应对叙利亚局势的策略应优先维护稳定,包括继续支持叙利亚民主力量(SDF)、维持在叙利亚和伊拉克边境地区的军事存在、促进库尔德人和土耳其之间的和平协议,并增加对叙利亚的人道主义援助。 Andrew Schwartz:就叙利亚内战的最新进展以及HTS组织的性质和未来走向,向Natasha Hall进行了深入的探讨和分析,并就美国等国际社会应该如何应对这一局势提出了自己的见解。

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Why did the Assad regime collapse so quickly?

The Syrian regime was heavily reliant on external support from Russia, Iran, Hezbollah, and Iranian-backed militias. Without this backing, the regime's structure crumbled rapidly as there were few willing to fight for it.

What role did Turkey play in the fall of the Assad regime?

Turkey likely green-lighted the rebel offensive, pushing the Assad regime in the right direction. This was supported by Russia, which hoped the rebels would take back a few villages, but the rapid collapse of the regime was a surprise to many.

How did Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) contribute to the regime's fall?

HTS, a rebel group, played a significant role by capturing key areas in less than two weeks. Reports suggest they disrupted pro-regime groups with strategic interventions, leading to the regime's rapid collapse.

Who is Abu Muhammad al-Jolani, and what is his role in HTS?

Al-Jolani is the leader of HTS, originally from the Golan Heights. He fought in Iraq, was arrested by U.S. forces, and later led Jabhat al-Nusra, which evolved into HTS. He has coordinated with external powers to eliminate more extreme elements, including ISIS.

How has HTS approached governance in areas they control?

HTS has reassured minorities, maintained government employment, and avoided the debathification seen in Iraq. They have accepted defections and offered amnesties to regime soldiers, showing a more inclusive approach to governance.

What are the immediate concerns for the international community in post-Assad Syria?

The U.S. and allies must focus on stabilizing the region, supporting the SDF to guard ISIS prisons, and preventing Iran from becoming a spoiler. Humanitarian aid is also critical, as hundreds of thousands of displaced people seek to return home.

What is the potential impact of the U.S. administration transition on Syria policy?

The incoming Trump administration may have different priorities, such as a tougher stance on Iran. However, maintaining support for the SDF and ensuring security in northeast Syria will remain critical to prevent further instability.

What steps should the international community take to support Syria's recovery?

Immediate steps include increasing humanitarian aid, stabilizing the region, and ensuring security at key crossings like Abu Kamal. Long-term reconstruction and peace agreements between Kurds and Turkey are also essential.

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Introduction to the podcast and the guest expert, Natasha Hall, who is a senior fellow at CSIS and an expert on Syria. The episode focuses on the internal politics of Syria and the recent overthrow of the Assad regime.
  • Introduction to the podcast 'The Truth of the Matter'.
  • Introduction of Natasha Hall, the expert guest on Syria.

Shownotes Transcript

CSIS’s Natasha Hall joins the podcast to discuss the rot inside the Assad regime, the country’s new power center and the internal tensions that remain.