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Leaving Syria alone: Trump policy branded 'the most sensible'

2024/12/13
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Toby Gillis和Alex Debel:叙利亚内战结束后,叙利亚的未来走向及其影响因素难以预测,各方势力(西方、土耳其、俄罗斯、伊朗等)都在试图影响局势。 Tobias Schneider:阿萨德政权垮台后,叙利亚国内各派系力量依然复杂且对立,未来走向充满不确定性,包括库尔德人控制的东北部地区、效忠阿萨德的农村地区以及各派系之间的矛盾。叙利亚未来理想状态是包容性的,但目前"征服沙姆阵线"(HTS)掌握了大部分权力,其能否放弃部分权力,以及其他派系能否接受,将决定叙利亚未来的稳定性。各国情报机构对叙利亚局势的了解程度高,但各方利益冲突依然严重,难以通过简单的沟通解决,尤其是在叙利亚北部和南部反对派之间的矛盾。特朗普政府可能采取的撤军政策将导致叙利亚东北部库尔德人控制地区的崩溃,但从长远来看,美国保持距离或许是最佳的策略,因为最终叙利亚的未来走向需要由叙利亚人民自己决定。

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Key Insights

What are the key challenges Syria faces after the fall of Assad's regime?

Syria faces internal divisions among armed factions, control over key resources like grain and oil, and the uncertain loyalty of Assad's former supporters. The country also needs to address governance and inclusivity to avoid social unrest.

Why might a decentralized approach be better for Syria's future?

Syria is a diverse country with various religious and cultural groups. A decentralized approach could promote inclusivity and avoid the use of brute force, which was a hallmark of Assad's regime.

How has Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) positioned itself in the post-Assad Syria?

HTS has taken control of much of central Syria and has been pragmatic in maintaining civil services and striking deals, including with former enemies like Russia, to stabilize the country temporarily.

What role do international actors play in shaping Syria's future?

International actors like Turkey, Russia, Iran, and the U.S. have deep knowledge of Syrian factions and have been negotiating behind the scenes for years. However, resolving material interests and geopolitical fault lines remains challenging.

How might Trump's policy of staying away from Syria impact the region?

Trump's policy could lead to a U.S. withdrawal from northeast Syria, allowing Turkish-backed rebels to take control. This could destabilize the Kurdish-led Autonomous Administration and escalate tensions in the region.

Why might Trump's hands-off approach to Syria be considered sensible?

By not meddling, the U.S. avoids complicating the situation further. The Syrian process has largely been driven by Syrians, and minimal foreign interference could allow them to resolve their issues internally.

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As Syrians celebrate 'Victory Day' after the fall of Assad's regime, the country's future remains uncertain with various domestic and international actors trying to shape it. Tobias Schneider discusses the potential outcomes and the diverse groups involved in Syria's future.
  • Victory Day marks the fall of Assad's regime but doesn't guarantee peace.
  • Various factions, including Kurds and loyalists, still hold significant power.
  • Syria's diversity complicates the establishment of a unified governance.

Shownotes Transcript

As Syrians across the country celebrate 'Victory Day' the future of the country remains wildly uncertain with domestic groups and the international community all trying to shape it with their own ideals. Tobias Schneider, Syria expert and research fellow at the Global Public Policy Institute analyses the key players and debates how the potential for Donald Trump washing his hands of the situation might play out.

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