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How to disagree without biting someone’s head off

2024/12/25
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Bo Seo: 良好的争论并非达成一致,而是双方都觉得值得再次进行的争论。在开始争论前,应先评估四个条件:争论是否真实存在、是否重要到值得争论、范围是否足够具体、双方参与争论的动机是否一致。 社交媒体上的争论往往带有广播性质,缺乏私密性,阻碍了真正的沟通和理解。任何争论都应该从双方都同意的地方开始。 Jason Lee: Jubilee Media 的创立初衷是为了弥合社会分歧,通过细致的对话和倾听,促进不同观点之间的理解。Jubilee Media 的“Middle Ground”节目通过一系列提示,引导持有对立观点的人们寻找共同点,展现观点间的细微差别。 公众对 Jubilee Media 的内容反应热烈,展现出人们对同理心和真实对话的渴望。Jubilee Media 的节目通常会超出人们的预期,展现出人们的善良和愿意沟通的一面。

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What is the foundation for a good debate according to Bo Seo?

The foundation for a good debate is 'good disagreement,' where both sides walk away feeling like they would engage in the conversation again. It’s not about immediate life-changing outcomes but creating a basis for continued dialogue. Bo Seo suggests using the RISA checklist: ensuring the disagreement is real, important, specific, and aligned in motivations.

Why does Bo Seo believe social media amplifies bad disagreement?

Social media encourages a 'broadcasting approach' to communication, where people speak from a fixed identity to a larger audience, even in personal conversations. This creates a performative dynamic, making it harder to have private, empathetic discussions and often turning disagreements into public spectacles.

What is the simplest tip Bo Seo offers for handling difficult conversations?

Start every disagreement with some amount of agreement. This includes agreeing on how the conversation will proceed and clarifying what the disagreement is actually about, which often prevents misunderstandings and escalations.

What inspired Jason Lee to create Jubilee Media?

Jason Lee was inspired to create Jubilee Media after the 2016 U.S. presidential election, feeling the world was more divided than ever. He wanted to create content that brought people together, fostering conversations with nuance, empathy, and understanding, rather than simply promoting niceness.

What is the format of Jubilee’s 'Middle Ground' show?

The 'Middle Ground' show brings together opposing groups, such as rival gangs or political parties, and uses prompts to find areas of agreement. The goal is to demonstrate that people often agree more than they disagree, even on contentious issues, and to encourage nuanced, empathetic conversations.

What has Jubilee Media revealed about people’s willingness to change their minds?

Jubilee Media has shown that people are often more willing to engage in kindness and understanding than stereotypes suggest. Even in highly contentious conversations, participants frequently find common ground and leave with a sense of connection, challenging assumptions about division.

How does Jubilee Media’s approach differ from traditional media?

Jubilee Media focuses on creating human connections and fostering empathy through nuanced conversations, rather than amplifying conflict. It challenges the traditional media’s tendency to highlight division by showing that people can agree on many issues, even if they approach them differently.

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This chapter explores the art of productive disagreement, drawing insights from Bo Seo, a world debate champion. It emphasizes the importance of establishing the right conditions for a good disagreement and offers practical advice on how to engage in conversations respectfully, even when disagreeing.
  • Importance of good disagreement over mere agreement.
  • RISA checklist (Real, Important, Specific, Aligned) for evaluating conditions for productive conversations.
  • Starting disagreements with points of agreement is key.

Shownotes Transcript

We all disagree on some things. For some people disagreeing is natural and, in some instances, even enjoyable. While for others it’s super uncomfortable, and something they want to avoid at all costs. Social media is alive with angry keyboard warriors at each other’s throats, but it is possible to disagree without hurting someone’s feelings.

Bo Seo is an expert at this. He’s a world debate champion, author, and a former coach of the Australian national debating team. He shares the art of having a good debate, and therefore a good conversation. Plus, we speak to Jason Lee, the founder of Jubilee, about why his YouTube and TikTok videos, which bring people together despite their differences, are gaining billions of views.

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