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China Reacts to Trump’s Election, With Zoe Liu (Transition 2025, Episode 7)

2024/12/17
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Zoe Liu: 北京对特朗普当选的结果并不意外,但也不感到高兴。这主要基于两点考虑:首先,拜登政府时期中美关系相对稳定,而特朗普的回归将增加不确定性;其次,特朗普上任期间加剧了贸易和科技领域的紧张关系,拜登政府延续了这一趋势。因此,北京方面对特朗普的再次当选感到担忧。此外,北京对特朗普团队中“中国鹰派”人物的出现表示谨慎。虽然目前市场反应平静,但北京仍需关注实际措施,例如针对马可·卢比奥的制裁问题。中国对马可·卢比奥的制裁源于其在台湾和人权问题上的强硬立场,这些问题被中国视为核心利益。中国政府需要谨慎取消制裁,以避免损害自身形象。北京可能会优先与特朗普本人建立直接沟通渠道,而对他的政治任命者关注较少。中国媒体和政策制定者对埃隆·马斯克的关注,也反映出他们对特朗普政府内部权力动态的复杂认知。 面对特朗普可能实施的关税政策,中国存在两种主要解读:关税不可避免,以及为最坏情况做准备。中国可能利用其在关键矿产供应链中的主导地位作为武器,并加强其反制裁和反关税措施。这将导致合规成本上升,但可能增加就业机会,同时损害消费者利益。美国和中国的民众对经济现状都不满意,这增加了中美两国在经济问题上的共同点。中国可能主动向特朗普政府提出方案,寻求达成一项“大交易”,但面临挑战。中国可能愿意提供自愿出口限制作为谈判筹码,并利用其文化优势,通过个人接触和外交手段与特朗普政府进行合作,但需要谨慎处理,避免国内政治风险。 Jim Lindsay: 引导讨论,提出问题,并对Zoe Liu的观点进行补充和评论。

Deep Dive

Key Insights

Why is Beijing not happy about Trump's election?

Beijing is concerned about the uncertainty Trump's return brings to the U.S.-China relationship, especially after the Biden administration had stabilized it with guardrails. Additionally, Trump's previous term increased tensions over trade and technology, issues that remain thorny.

What is Beijing's view on Trump's team for U.S.-China relations?

Beijing observes that the market has reacted calmly to Trump's team, suggesting no immediate overreaction is needed. However, practical issues like sanctions on Marco Rubio due to his stance on Taiwan and human rights remain unresolved.

Why did China sanction Marco Rubio?

China sanctioned Rubio for his outspoken stance on Taiwan and human rights, which Beijing considers core domestic interests that should not be interfered with by foreign entities.

What is the Chinese economic model that Zoe Liu refers to as 'failing'?

The model, which has driven China's double-digit growth, is export-oriented and state-led investment in strategic sectors. However, it has left household consumption underdeveloped, leading to overinvestment and under-consumption, which is less sustainable as China's economy matures.

How might tariffs on China be an opportunity for domestic reform?

Zoe Liu suggests that tariffs could force China to address its insufficient domestic demand by leveraging external challenges, similar to how China reformed during its WTO accession. This could push for a more sustainable economic model focused on domestic consumption.

What leverage does China have in its trade negotiations with the U.S.?

China could weaponize its dominance in critical mineral supply chains by imposing export controls, as well as strengthen anti-sanction measures to weaponize access to its market, making compliance with U.S. export controls illegal for companies wanting to trade with China.

What is the 'neijuan' or 'involution' problem in China's economy?

Neijuan refers to intense domestic competition in the same sectors due to overinvestment by local governments. This leads to thousands of companies competing in the same space, driving some to seek higher margins by investing overseas, such as in Vietnam or Morocco.

What is the potential for a grand bargain between the U.S. and China?

Some in Beijing see an opportunity for a grand bargain with Trump due to his flexibility and lack of ideological constraints. Potential offers could include voluntary export restrictions or carve-outs in export markets, as well as diplomatic gestures like inviting Trump to Beijing, which he enjoyed in 2017.

Chapters
This chapter explores China's initial reaction to Trump's election, highlighting their unsurprised yet unhappy response. The reasons for this discontent include the anticipated return of uncertainty in US-China relations and the continuation of trade tensions.
  • China's reaction to Trump's election was unsurprised but unhappy.
  • Reasons for unhappiness: return of uncertainty and continuation of trade tensions.
  • Market reaction to Trump's team and policies was initially calm.

Shownotes Transcript

Zoe Liu, the Maurice R. Greenberg Senior Fellow for China Studies at CFR, sits down with James M. Lindsay to discuss how Trump’s victory is being viewed in China and what his presidency will mean for the future of U.S.-China economic relations. This episode is the seventh in a special TPI series on the U.S. 2025 presidential transition and is supported by the Carnegie Corporation of New York.

 

Mentioned on the Episode

 

Zongyuan Zoe Liu, Sovereign Funds: How the Communist Party of China Finances Its Global Ambitions)

 

Zongyuan Zoe Liu, )“Why China Won't Give Up on a Failing Economic Model),”* Foreign Affairs *

 

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