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833: Come Retribution

2024/6/9
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Jonathan Karl分析了特朗普竞选活动中报复主题的演变，强调了2023年3月CPAC演讲的重要性，以及特朗普将报复置于其竞选活动核心的意图。他详细阐述了特朗普可能采取的报复行动，包括针对共和党人和利用司法部对付敌人。他还探讨了特朗普及其盟友对总统权力的看法，以及他们认为总统拥有广泛权力来利用政府机构实现其目标的观点。 Stephanie Grisham分享了她作为特朗普政府成员的经历，以及她如何参与了对特朗普敌人的报复行动。她描述了特朗普及其团队如何鼓励无情地对待敌人，以及她个人在参与这些行动后的感受。她还表达了她对特朗普可能在第二任期内利用政府机构进行报复以及鼓励支持者进行网络暴力的担忧。 Fred Wellman讲述了他作为林肯计划执行董事的经历，以及他如何成为特朗普支持者目标的经历。他描述了收到的威胁、骚扰以及他因此而采取的安全措施。他表达了他对特朗普可能在第二任期内利用政府机构进行报复以及鼓励支持者进行网络暴力的担忧，并解释了他和他的伴侣为应对潜在威胁而做出的计划。 Alex Vindman和Rachel Vindman分享了他们作为特朗普弹劾案证人的经历，以及他们对特朗普可能采取的报复措施的担忧。他们描述了他们收到的威胁和骚扰，以及他们为应对潜在威胁而采取的安全措施。他们对特朗普可能采取的报复措施的看法存在差异，这突显了人们对特朗普报复计划的不确定性。 Zoe Chase采访了特朗普的支持者，了解他们对特朗普报复计划的看法。她发现，许多受访者更关心经济问题，而不是报复。一些受访者认为拜登政府已经对特朗普进行了报复，而另一些受访者则不希望总统利用政府机构对付政治对手。

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The episode explores how Donald Trump's talk of retribution has intensified since his 2024 presidential campaign announcement and his recent conviction in New York. It examines what his retribution might entail by speaking with people who believe they are targets.
  • Trump's campaign has placed retribution at its center.
  • Trump has promised to use government institutions to go after his enemies.
  • Former staffers and political opponents fear potential audits, investigations, and public harassment.

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Donald Trump has talked about taking retribution on his enemies since the early days of his 2024 presidential campaign. After his conviction last week in New York, his talk intensified. We try to understand what his retribution might look like by speaking with people who have the most to lose in a second Trump administration: people who believe Trump will be coming for them.

  • Prologue: Donald Trump has talked about taking revenge on his enemies since the early days of his 2024 presidential campaign. Ira Glass talks to reporter Jonathan Karl about how Trump has placed retribution at the center of his run and what we know about how he’s thinking about it. (16 minutes)
  • Act One: Reporter Alix Spiegel talks to two people with good reason to fear a second Trump administration. Former White House Press Secretary Stephanie Grisham spent six years with the Trumps but resigned after January 6th and wrote a scathing tell-all book about her experience. Fred Wellman worked for The Lincoln Project - a group of high-profile Republicans who pledged to keep Trump out of office during the 2020 campaign. (22 minutes)
  • Act Two: Alex Vindman became the face of the first Trump impeachment after he reported to his superiors that Trump had asked the President of Ukraine to investigate Hunter Biden, the son of his political opponent. At the time, Vindman believed that his Congressional testimony would not jeopardize him; now, he and his wife Rachel are having second thoughts. (14 minutes)
  • Act Three: After hearing from people who dread a possible second Trump term, we hear from those who are excited about it. Reporter Zoe Chace checks into whether his supporters are excited for retribution. (7 minutes)

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