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794: So Close and Yet So Far

2024/7/14
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Saidu Tejan-Thomas Jr.
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Tig Notaro
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Valerie Kipnis
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Valerie Kipnis讲述了在地铁上与上司近距离接触却选择沉默的故事,展现了在亲密关系(上下级关系)中,由于个人心理因素(缺乏安全感、对上司的刻板印象)和社会规范(避免打扰)等因素导致的疏离感。她内心的矛盾和纠结体现了人际交往中微妙的心理距离。 Ira Glass则从另一个角度,描述了他本人在人际交往中高度关注周围人的反面例子,这与Valerie Kipnis形成了鲜明对比,也更突显了人与人之间即使在物理距离很近的情况下,心理距离也可能相差甚远。他坦诚自己有时会忽略他人,这与Valerie Kipnis的过度关注形成对比,也从侧面反映了人际交往中存在着多种不同的沟通模式和心理状态。 Ira Glass分享了他与Valerie Kipnis在人际交往中的不同体验,并以此引出节目主题:即使在亲密关系中,人们也可能存在着巨大的心理距离。他强调了个人感知差异在人际互动中的重要性,以及人们在处理亲密关系时可能面临的挑战。

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Valerie Kipnis recounts an awkward subway encounter with someone she knows well, highlighting the distance that can exist even in close physical proximity.
  • Valerie pretends not to see someone she knows on the subway.
  • The encounter lasts for 35 minutes, with both standing shoulder to shoulder without acknowledging each other.
  • Valerie uses a magazine as a barrier to avoid interaction.

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People ​so close to each other, ​in ​extremely intimate situations​,​ who are also a million miles apart.

  • Prologue: Valerie Kipnis tells Ira about riding the subway, shoulder-to-shoulder with someone she knows quite well, pretending she doesn’t see him. (8 minutes)
  • Act One: How much can you trust whether somebody who you think is close to you really is close to you? Saidu Tejan-Thomas Jr.’s been thinking about that question since a recent visit with some of his childhood friends in Sierra Leone. (37 minutes)
  • Act Two: Comedian Tig Notaro has the story of someone as close as her actual bedside yet who, in another way, is impossibly far away. (9 minutes)

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