Southeast Asia is not expected to offer the best returns because it is not the most attractive market for high returns compared to other regions. When global investment tides recede, Southeast Asia is often the first place money leaves due to its relatively lower return potential. This trend is unlikely to reverse soon, and investors are expected to be less aggressive in the region.
Startups in Southeast Asia face challenges in raising capital, especially those that are not top-tier companies. While great companies will always find funding, those just below the top tier will struggle. Many will need to become more capital-efficient and focus on achieving profitability quickly to survive in the current funding environment.
The size of a fund significantly impacts its ability to generate returns. Larger funds require larger exits to return capital to investors, which is challenging in Southeast Asia due to the smaller market size and lower exit valuations. Funds that are too large may struggle to find enough high-quality investments to generate the necessary returns, leading to reduced fund sizes and more disciplined investment strategies.
DPI measures the money returned to Limited Partners (LPs) relative to the capital they invested. It is a critical metric for evaluating VC fund success because it shows the actual cash returns generated from investments. In Southeast Asia, achieving a high DPI is challenging due to lower exit valuations and longer investment horizons, making it difficult for funds to return 3x the invested capital, which is the benchmark for success.
Arnaud Bonzom advises founders to focus on building great companies and achieving profitability. He emphasizes the importance of being capital-efficient and realistic about the size of the Southeast Asian market. Founders should also consider expanding to larger markets like the U.S. if their business model allows, as Southeast Asia alone may not provide sufficient scale for significant growth.
Arnaud Bonzom identifies the lack of discipline in fundraising and investment as a key bottleneck. Founders and investors often raise too much capital or invest at inflated valuations, which can lead to unsustainable business models. He also highlights the need for more government support, such as long-term visas for entrepreneurs and training for emerging fund managers, to enhance the ecosystem.
"So that's why if you have 1 billion to invest, we're not expecting the same return as if you invest 10 million. At that time, when all this money flowed to Southeast Asia, people there thought, "Oh, we made it. Now the world is looking at us. We're finally a good ecosystem.' Everyone was ready to invest in us, but that was just the tide, right? And when the tide recedes, the first place the money will leave is Southeast Asia because it's not offering the best returns. So, the money is going out, and I don't think it's coming back anytime soon. People shouldn't expect investors to be as aggressive as they were. Lastly, great companies will always raise capital. The top ones will always find their way, so there's no issue for them. The challenge is for the ones just below them. It will be very difficult for those companies. Some will have to become much more capital-efficient, for sure." Fresh out of the studio, Arnaud Bonzom, founder of Black Mangroves and angel investor, engages in a lively discussion with our host about the entrepreneurial and venture capital landscape in Southeast Asia for 2024. Arnaud shares his insights on the evolution of late-stage funding and the resetting of expectations in the region’s venture capital scene. He also offers valuable advice to founders on how to navigate the challenging fundraising climate and what success could look like for the region in the coming years.
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Audio Episode Highlights: [0:44] Quote of the Day by Arnaud Bonzom #QOTD [2:09] Arnaud’s Reflections on Southeast Asia Since 2018 [5:28] Southeast Asia’s Economic Challenges [6:15] New Outlook for the Region’s Startup Ecosystem [10:37] Lessons from India’s B2B Market [14:31] How Venture Capital Works in Southeast Asia [16:52] Over-Optimism in Southeast Asia’s VC Landscape [24:27] Challenges in Attracting Foreign Investments [27:38] The U.S. as the Biggest Accessible Market [30:29] Market Segmentation in Asia Pacific [35:44] IPO Slowdown and M&A Challenges [37:59] Zombie Companies in Southeast Asia [39:14] The One Thing Arnaud knows about the SEA ecosystem that very few do [41:28] Explaining DPI (Distributions to Paid-In Capital) [47:48] Timing in Venture Capital Investments [51:48] Advice for Founders in 2023-2024 [53:33] Bottlenecks in Southeast Asia’s Startup Ecosystem [56:40] What does great look like for the Southeast Asia ecosystem? [58:45] Crypto Companies in Southeast Asia [60:44] Final Thoughts and Future of Southeast Asia’s Startup Ecosystem [61:10] Closing
Podcast Information: Bernard Leong hosts and produces the show. Proper credits for the intro and end music: "Energetic Sports Drive" and the episode is mixed & edited in both video and audio format by G. Thomas Craig
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