Episode 80: Totally 80s
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Welcome to episode eighty of the camera city podcast, the world's number one open source film photography podcast. My name is mick k. Men, and we are back with another episode. As we've reached the eighty episode of the show, we decided to dedicate to night's discussion to cameras of the eighties.

Since we're not specifying a century anything from the original 8 eighty eight koda to the nineteen eighty eight koda repeat is fair game。 IT is hard to believe that the one hundred and eighty was four decades ago and many of the cameras released and definitely qualify for vintage statues. If you want to share your finance for the icon f three, like A M six or the recall mari, tonight's discussion is for you.

Before we get started, let's do some introductions starting a sw from gains. Florida is everyone's favorite sub diving berry star. Anthony y, hey Anthony, what camera was always in your bag during the .

reagan administration? Well, I tell you, was a freshman universe. InDiana university had to take a film production class and ended up with a nikon FM two. And that was the only camera that I bought through the one thousand .

nine hundred eighties. Next from yellow springs, ohio, is our resident benzo playing irish risky drinking mug shot posing host, paul rival. Hey paul, what was the top camera that you sold in the one thousand nine .

hundred eighties? You know, I thought we were gone to talk about disco.

De, oh, it's the wrong decade.

the wrong decade. Now I got them all screw up. Eighties micon. I had to be.

Finally, we will be skipping an intro for theo tonight. Since the eighties predates the release of the emi seven, so he wouldn't have anything to talk about anyway. Just getting a co, do you have a favorite camera from the .

i'd have to sort of linty three actually been using that a lot like this. So is a camera. I we have a bunch of .

people on the waiting room, a lots of names that I recognize, the one that might be new. So let's open the door and let men welcome. We got miles here.

We have will pink on A J pat casey. Uh UK ys are turning into some of our regular regulars. We're going to have to uh, have much longer interest if you guys .

become host, alright.

that would be like guaranteed membership into the hosting if you can edit these things. And Christopher wells, you do look familiar. I feel a bit on the show before. I just can't member which one.

Uh, not why I ask question on the an episode while back and my little brother Andrew was on last way.

So that's right. Okay, yes, Andrew was here. You told us about the previous question you asked to so welcome to the show is could the um see your face touch to your name?

So you know the eighties.

I feel like most of us, I Chris can't tell hold all ju are. But if like everybody else remembers the eighties pretty well, is that fair? yes.

Miles, no. Wasn't morning really? All right. Me, because I was seventies and I I am just one of the Youngest guy here.

So anyway, I mean, IT doesn't seem like IT was that long ago, but I am when you consider one thousand nine hundred eighty four was forty years ago, know we talk about a lot of the cameras that are from that era, you know qualified vintage status. There is A A huge transition. That jacket, I mean, yeah, auto focus had already been around with pointing shoots from the late seventies.

But really I took a little bit longer for the camera manufacturers to perfect auto focus with esolar, specifically interchangeable lens esolar. Because when you have any kind of automation, you can you want to reduce variables, right? Like you go back to the late fifties, when auto exposure came out of a majority of the earliest, auto exposure cameras were like single shot speed, very basic cameras.

Because in order for the automation to work correctly, you wanted to eliminate too many other things that the system has to account for. So when IT came down to auto focus, those systems, those early systems like the honeywell, was at the visit onic. Is that what is called .

a visiray ic?

The visit onic a lot of those uh calculating where range finder systems um infrared, they depended on A A known focal length. You know they were optimized for one single focal length where the focusing scale is in a consistent so you didn't see a lot of cameras. We could change lenses until a little bit later.

So know, we saw the release of the maxim seven thousand by manoa a can in eo system icon. Really, me, pretty much everybody started to come up with those cameras in that era. Eola's were definitely the camera choice.

What about the pollard, the ex seventies? That an .

eight so that seventies? Yeah so yeah no. And the the sonar asx seventies were, you know the first autor exposure start auto focus as salaries.

But again, you didn't change the lens is on them. So I just took a little bit longer for them to perfect how to focus on a camera where the the focal length could change. So but we will talk about that little bit later.

I mean, the big dog would have been the like, m sex, you know, argument. Still one of the one of the most highly sought after cameras today, both original versions in the rerelease. What do they do? They go on for and up.

Six body in good condition are between twenty six and three thousand dollars, twenty six hundred and three thousand.

And what was that came of? Sold for a new back.

Remember eighteen hundred to twenty nine one 了。 I still have mine. This is the one that I bought to just got my name and grave on IT.

yeah. Thought to like to school in thousand nine hundred and eighty six and it's my longest running camera. You know the they at at that time they had the M P and the m six were were out at the same time. The m four people was slightly less expensive, but and was made in canada. The m sex was was assembled in wedlock. They were they, they were the A, A, A very popular camera among the hobbie's, but for, for the every, for the everyday shooter, for the people that you know for, for, for every men and every woman, the seven thousand, the icon, twenty, twenty, the O S. Six, they were the cameras that were the bread and button, the camera stores at that period.

Twenty twenty, that's the five five one is note.

So can pass.

The twenty twenty, that's the five five one is note.

Yes, yes. The twenty twenty was a nice camera. The dogs were right after that when they came up with the four thousand four, five thousand five, they were not good cameras.

The six thousand and six was an excEllent camera, and the eight thousand eight was was by was to me the best camera icon made at that. In that in the eighties, this was out of focus. The f eight one.

They they actually made in eight thousand eight, and many made in eight thousand and eight s eight thousand eight was one thousand hundred and eighty eight three, eight thousand and eight s was ninety once. So that's outside our a time for me for this episode. But the camera as are basically the same. The difference was, IT was a little quiet.

Fans, mother drive a .

little biggest thing. The third.

what I like about twenty or five twenty nikon camera, where is still head the old styling you, the non atomic ze logo IT still had a manual wine lover. IT did have, you know, buttons. I did have motor drive IT did have some modern features, but I still had felt an older icon.

Whereto cameras immediately after that, started to have the, I call the bubble styling once can in switch to the bubble styling. I don't think they have ve ever stopped. Styling is obviously a subjective or objective. I never cared for, you know, I was thought those highly rounded off cameras were were what was the what was the icon that had like a plexiglass window that would fold, shot and cover the dials on top? IT was was at a five.

five thousand and five.

yeah. And these .

were designed in italy. I can't remember the name of the design group that did, but the the eight thousand, eight and the f three and f four, we're all out of this design .

house .

in italy that I think was the same people to do the fights.

Yeah, exactly right. That's where the red story came from. yeah.

And so that they were possible for that ball is grip autumn? But you know the fact that the eight thousand eight took A W batteries was a big deal IT really made IT a lot IT IT had to make a bigger and and they were very reliable cameras. The only downside the to any of those cameras is especially the six thousand and six. You had plastic fatigue on the back in the little claw that held the door shut would break off.

That seems to be at just the general weakness of the plastic era is the plastic clips on these film doors. It's a ninety camera, but the icon f one hundred is another one where you go on ebay. Half of the bodies, either the door is missing completely or the door just doesn't shut. absolutely.

Three thousand eight was a metal door, a metal class. yeah. So that was easy. And on the six thousand and six, the back door was not replaced.

So you didn't really have yeah what people were doing was they were tap and they would grind off the the broken plastic law and then tap and put in a little metal lot to shot them. There was a lot of work, but I did keep IT work. I mean, IT work to the cameras on the road.

Well, I mean, of course, you to have to lose the ability to use such a otherwise great machine, because one millimeter piece of plastic just cracked off is just absurd. No, I get why they had to use plastic and making things lighter and cheaper to make but um such a high stress point like the door lah.

just I wish I could .

go back and tell him knock IT off yeah tic a plastic on bit that movement and hold some strength and someone that's a bit where I don't get where they started using the the first plastic places made .

IT even worse because on the n at and the one hundred, they put some controls on the back door. So if you IT was no possibility, you could replace .

the whole door.

So I mean, that became a problem. You know, the in hindside IT was poor planning.

So to recap, because of a whole crap out of nico models there, we're standing up behind the eight thousand eight, which is an eighties model, or the eight thousand eight ads, which close enough. But early nineties, we all seemed like the and two thousand A K A, the five or one, the twenty twenty A K A, the five o one.

Then there was the n two thousand, which was the exact same camera, just didn't have out of focus IT had all the other modern convenience the same style. But I was manual focus only, but still a good Cameron. And the good thing about those two, specifically the three o one, the five o one, the two thousand and the twenty twenty, is go on ebay and go to, like K E H, A robberts camera and in an apple theyll have like bulk lots of those cameras that they're selling off, like five of for twenty box.

I mean, they have no value at all. And you know, maybe you'll get one. Unfortunately, a lot of the early double a, triple a battery cameras, people would leave the batteries and lot of times they would corrode.

I mean, mercury batteries can code to any. The old classic cameras can corrode. But I just feel like battery technology in the eighties just was very prone to corrosion.

IT just seems way more common from that era. But you do you get one that isn't all must stop and they're actually pretty good camera. The auto focus was slow. But any time you talk about auto focus from an an eighty s ellar save for maybe one or two models, most of those early models just won that fast.

My god, like to be the contrary here. I'm A, i'm a total kid of the eighties on the way to college in one thousand nine hundred and eighty one. And in the and university, I thought i'd be a filmmaker, and I thought I should learn how to be a photographer because had a really good photo program.

And are you? So I signed up for the interview photography class and had to get a camera one on the B N H. And uh, well, didn't go on B N H called B N H because there was no wever that time and they said there is a brand new nikon that had just been released that week and i'd be a sucker if I didn't buy IT.

And IT was a nikon F M two with the uh e series fifty one point eight. So I I literally was one of the in the first week of the being released at B N H I by boat, that camera. And I got to tell you, I run more film through an icon of m two than any camera that i've ever owned.

H by far. And you know, being A A punk rock kid, I was going to shows, go see the reasons and go to see belonged and go to see, you know, these these these bands, black flag and x and and I didn't want to be Austin tatius. And so I covered the camera up in black electrical tapes, so there were no logos showing.

I didn't want everybody to know I had this brand new n icon and ended up keeping up like that as I traveled around the world. That camera literally went around the world with me two or three times, and in some places like in eastern european and these like a soviet black markets in east germany on the other side of the berlin wall, uh, or you just did not want to be seen with western gear. That camera was was, was quiet.

And if you know to me as as quiet as as a, as a, as a like a, and there is full manual, nothing to go wrong completely and never failed on me. I never had I never missed the shot because of that camera. And I would argue that probably as far as i'm concerned, you know in the top three icon cameras ever made.

you won't an argument for me. I love my F M. Two as well.

I don't have the history of IT like you do. But um for manual focus IT does almost nothing wrong. Yes.

I still I I have the same camera. I know I ve never god of that camera. And IT still shoots perfectly fine today. I had IT served in, like ninety five. It's been served once since I bought IT new.

And I had a wonderful motor. If I remember, I had one back in the day, and I had this wonderful, I mean, uh, that what was that? Not one of nikon's first small quote and quote, S L, S.

no. Then not that. 嗯嗯， 啊 the yeah yeah.

they they yeah, they made two motors that came empty alive and empty twelve, they are basically the same. The difference was the eleven, if you forgot to turn the motor off and ran the camera batteries down. Oh, so there was no, there was no firm work update at that time.

They had, do I was a new model that took the circuitry out. But yeah, the the F M two and the F A two were you, I don't want to say they were significant improvement over the F, F M. There was enough stuff there. The usable, the interchange able, and springs was good.

The titania shutter, the top higher.

higher place .

thing you did lose the ability to go backwards to the non I island's as though although that's probably not much of an issue for people.

but it's IT is one I guess can you did to explain uh and that did create some anxiety and legacy icon users why they couldn't use the f mount lines course.

You could yet to lend A I for eighteen dollars and fifty cents .

or whatever was you. And a lot of people did that and worked .

for IT doesn't look good if you IT got away. But IT works fine. And the kind did make a number of factory replacement rings in.

Most dealers would just swap them out for you. You just had to pay for the adapter. Was I even adapter? It's you're literally disassembling part of the lands and replacing IT with a new part.

But that's what they did when they did A I conversions. I just took the approach ring often and put the new one on with a, with a flying on .

is a great question. exactly. The caption took a away with me recently IT the f three and the F M. To in and to you what that that is like a supercomputer ation I love using the f ray and the where he has its weakened as day if i'm two in comes in and and and that cover that in russia to on the day I believe if I was reached and that I mean I yeah I I .

think I mentioned .

earlier minds go a few advances issue where it's not the aging tempers of advancing but tell you what, when he does the the actual explosion is fantastic. I think had bad exploit of a driver on on that camera, which is amazing considering the .

vintage is the F A was nigh's first camera with matrix mean, so it's you .

know but when he came down to a the f three to me was was the camera of the eighties. I mean, IT was the after they made the converse version, of course, that the the not on high eye finder and IT was on the market for a short period of time. And then they came out with A D E three finder, which is the highest e point. All that means is you've got a larger I relief so you can see the frame with glasses on IT was just .

a bigger IT was a bigger image in the 点。

You know, the fact that I had hundred percent accurate meter was a hundred percent accurate viewing was a big deal for for slide shooters because yeah, you couldn't crop. I mean, you are, what you shot was what you gone.

Yes, he is also do so.

There you go. Now you're show your indian universe roots. You sound like a kid from bloomington. IT was also a module system, and they had a lot of weird little accessory sport.

Yeah, you know, the f two, N, F three, of course he didn't have a flash show, so they made this little dismore that was bit over the top of the red wine crank called an A S 7。 yeah. And I was T T of flash meering with with one or two flashes.

There were very few camera makers who would put a hot shoe on interchangable prism IT. IT was possible. IT just wasn't common.

So in order to have a flash, what pulls talking about is a thing with slide on. And there were two little electrical context that unless you paying attention, you don't even notice that they were there. But IT allows you to Operate a hatch of an electronic flash with this bracket that slides over the wine nob.

right? And really, in reality, really didn't do anything except give you ready like the view fighter and set the shatter speed. There wasn't T, T, L, flash metering because they just there wasn't the technology wasn't there at that point.

but it's still offered action though.

Yeah, did yeah. And then of course, they had the empty for motor drive, which was whole different can warm was A A high speed motor drive with a lot of batteries. And IT.

I was basically more than electric. Was IT was enough that you could really shot a birth? So the process really like that. But then again, you got into another exception, because one of the fillings of the M. D. Four was that the tripod socket was all the way at the inch oh but so IT was a horrible place you know, to have IT Normally so they came out with this lord is more which is a thing called on A H three um that is A A little add that screws into the tripod socket on the edge and gives you three holes in the medal. So is basically a piece of black aluminum with a three triple holes in IT a whole relocate.

Yeah so let's .

sort .

without here to anybody here. Start theo who's use either the f three, the F M two and F M or any the eighty s nion. Does anybody here have a favorite?

You know, something. I I used the f three and the F M. To professionally. I was in newspapers in those days. Never, ever took the motor off the f three.

IT was so IT seemed like every night on before that is earth of the f but even the f two exit, I think like the motor was, but I after thought, but with the f three, that motor was designed and IT was so good you never took IT off. Uh, so if I was shooting for some reason without a motor, I would tend to use the F, M, two, although I like that FM two motor. But if I wanted motorized, I use that.

Uf, the f, three. And that would rewind your film for you. What's not to like about that?

Another notable thing about the f three is IT was the only camera in nine kinds f series, the pro f series, that was smaller than the one that came before. And after the f three, they kept getting bigger again. Yeah, like the f and the f two are basically the same size, close enough.

The f three was the only time they actually strunk IT because IT doesn't have the motorize stuff in the body, right? And with four the additive back in and then the camera just got more, more than I have. I've never actually held in of six, but I have in five.

And I mean, it's we were talking about the medium form at S L S. I mean, I have I have a nda that's almost the same sizes is in five. It's absurd.

Other thing like on the f three, there was another model to look for, you see one by IT because are very hard to fined, was a model called the F P and IT was sold only through icon professional services to photo journalists and basically he was A A weather ized camera, the uh shadow release button on IT, which was the weak as part of an icon.

F three was a rubber ized so IT would not take keep release but I did was sealed against moisture and also I had uh a flash. You on the present was the highest e point finder but I had a flash. You and also I had an auto stopped back.

So when you round the film, that would leave the leader out, which photo generalists we wanted? So those those but they're very hard to find and they quite pricy. If you find one, they'll be three times the cost of I can have three hp.

I've seen one in the p the only place you see the p is in the back of the camera next to the serial number. IT doesn't say IT on the front. So if you're bargain hunting, uh, if they're not as easy to tell at a gLance, but if you happen to see the back of enough three, I can't remember it's either to be beginning or the end of the serial number. But if you see that p and that's the one that polls talking about.

the real tip off the the easiest way identifies, look for the flash e you see, you see a hot shoe on the top of IT, then your three p so sorry, my god directed what else who else was used in nics in the in the eighties? You know I can a one program forever um and I think I I think I had a can N F one not the new one, not the one from the eighties, one before that I bought to them trying to Operate to like you know more pro camera.

Both were broken. I mean, I think the short work for the meters were were broken no, subsequently found out. I guess that's a common problem with them.

Um but um yeah I never like I never I never got any the auto focus auto any self and I didn't shoot the nights and now this mean, you guys I am right all these notes down and I go fine and dry all these things. Like am six, i'll sell my car. That that sounds cold too. 嗯 yeah， so I was always a .

kind of guy while we were talking. We had mina was able to join us. Welcome back.

Thanks so much, mike. Um I also wanted to jump in in really quickly and uh thank poll for the seven that arrived really, really well packed uh that's made really great addition to uh, the single three camels that I have so thanks a bunch of go i'm glad went .

to a good home now that was a nice camera.

IT is really good. I don't have with me today but and I heard you guys talking about a mickle but but I think the only one that I have with me, uh, that I used often enough is the F E two. That's one is in .

the so the F E two, you know, for people who don't know that I can, Norman creatures, the F M M is mechanical shutter. F E, electronic shutter. Same thing applied to the FM two in the F E two 啊。 But then they did strAngely go to an F M three, which had an electro magnetically controlled by mechanical shutter.

They sorted, combine them. Like, I kind of feel like the FM three should have been called the F A. two. Maybe I don't know. That's a care. I know hong lee is a huge fan of the FM three, and while I have no reason to doubt IT IT, just the Prices continue to escalate. With those, you can get almost two f three for the Price of one F M three.

So he was a goop camera to him into me. I, I, I honestly didn't solve in many because I couldn't understand why nike had IT in the line. On the other hand, they made a lens for the forty five millimeter two point eight pin.

K lands was a great little lands. So, and and they were almost all sold only on the F, M, three a. They didn't really IT. Was anything else.

Was that forty five .

the guide number necessary? Oh, I see. This was an automatic land.

Forty five G N. Lens was a manual approach. Or he did not have any automatic die friend .

that guide number pank lands. You asking about, I have one. It's the only nick ore lens where the focus rotates the opposite direction. Hh, you know, all my icons rotate the same way, but that one lens goes the other direction.

And the reason he did that is because I needed a couple with the appetite lever for the guide number system to work properly. There's a little pen that links those two rings on the lengths they turn together 啊。 Before we leave nikon, though, I went to touch on rocker on the point shoot icon, as they typically do not.

You know, you look at the history of icon and a ankara, and they rarely refers to the market with anything. They were not a company that pushed the limits of new technology. They usually waited for other people to do something, and they kind of played a way and see kinds approach.

You know that they were not first to the market with the icon f. You know they went the first to market with auto exposure. They warned first to the market with compact, smaller, lightweight tsars. Um IT took until one thousand eighty three before they really even entered the appointed shop market with the A F thirty five, which people caught the paci.

And that camera has had sort of a cult following these days too, for IT being kind of a sorted straight fower japanese plastic, you know, eighty point in your theos got one those cameras right there and in working condition, and can sometimes go for two, three hundred dollars if you know, film tested such like that. But if you are interested in in an icon pointing shot from the eighties, and maybe the patchy isn't in your your Price range, i've included the benefits to the icon one touch. This was their first model.

Um it's also called the A F three. Coincidentally, I mention this on the logging episode. We are talking about our blogs in the entire history of mick mond.

com. I have nearly five hundred reviews. I've been doing IT from most ten years. This camera right here has had more reviews than any other review i've ever read.

I don't know why I think it's a fantastic camera, but this is essentially a evolution. The peachey IT does have a four element lens, whether the peachey had a five. So it's not the same land, but you're not onna notice the difference.

It's a thirty five millimeter f two eight lands. Uh excEllent mage quality. It's got nih's best mating and auto focus at the offer at the time. The front uh ring is still threatened for a filter, so you can add a filter to IT, which is nice. The meter is within the filtering too, so if you put like a polar rise around IT or some kind of coloured shelter, IT will account for that. Uh, in the explosion meering system, IT has a close up mode, which actually allows the flash to run IT to reduce our rate. So it's Scott lad like kind of technology that you didn't see in some of the cheap er appointed shoots and why I still while I know these aren't quite super cheap, they are bit cheap er than and somebody an icon point in choose of the day two and it's definitely a worth worthwhile camera to consider for someone who wants in eighty's night but doesn't want. Maybe I are something like .

they are really good that are really frustrating. Uh filtering size like forty six years this, which is pain.

is yeah beyonce st have never put a filter on IT. But I know the model that because he had a filter ring, the one that came between these two did not they get rid of IT. And then people didn't like that to the added effect.

In the one thing I will see about this initiative, ds, on personal preference, the first two models both use triple batteries. This one does use a living a battery, which you know actually today can actually be a bit more expensive by the battery. But these living in batteries on these point and shoots, they never die.

I mean.

yeah I only 然后 with the filter situation， is this a good way around that? Because yeah you don't necessary want to be buying filters, how bunch filters on that size. But if you get the yeah the old series six or seven, i'm not sure which one closely resembles that size.

Um you can basically the dicta to fit that and then and then you start to just slot in the the the actual filters by just using that series um the filter series um which if anyone knows yeah doesn't know what the filter yeah series six and seventh and others all fills up. It's basically I older that you actually screen and then you slot in the the filters um as you need them. So if you get one that resembles that size for around.

you can step at forty six to forty .

nine .

x icon light forty six to fifty two. But I don't think you want to step at larger than fifty two. We yeah to walk in the front end of the .

thing I did exactly. Then I went from forty six to forty nine because I was still manageable. Doesn't really show. And then you can leverage all the forty nine millimeter filters that this.

what you're talking about, and you got to codec the actual filter at cell go.

So patrico ce, yeah, is, is that a series five?

This is a six, actually, this is a six as well. So I would bet you that night I would take us six .

probable if I could somehow stick IT through the computer, i'd let you borrow away.

But yeah, I love those things. Those are perfect. Got a box for.

yeah. And and I fit the like our series perfectly as well a lot of those lenses um the fifty military lens there uh which reminds me poor or probably a serious seven at some point to fit at twenty eight know where you said me you know I can't .

tell you how many of those i've thrown away. I, I can. I cleaned out my favorite box. I had a tub of filters and I I threw away just so many series, sex and seven because I.

oh, good heavens, if you're out with your actor, what else you're gonna use for?

good. You know, mike, when you come out that night on the the original icon shot, what was the call was at? The one touch was the first, the thirty five.

IT was the elf, right? The elf thirty five? Well, that was the elf thirty five. A, F then the elf thirty five A F two, which has, when I was talking about that, does not have a filter ring. And then the third model was called .

the one touch right OK. And the other five A F was the first version that took dba batteries. And then also they made two versions at the second version, A S, A one .

thousand.

That's true in point shoot cameras in that period that was a really popular camera because was an icon yeah. But the best camera in that period was my tiny camera. Z X, A definite.

Yeah, it's just about to say that during during that time, you know, I had my F, M, two, which sort of satisfied my need for an S, L, R. So my next obsession was the smallest camera that I could Carry, and started off the X, A and one, up to X A two. I wish that i'd bought the X A.

Four at the time. I didn't buy the next day, four, until about five years ago. But, uh, those went everywhere with me.

I know, you know, until I started breaking them. And then I replaced with my other favorite super compact camera, which is the my ox. Thirty five, uh, the M L. Was came out ninety five.

Yeah, why can I have to take a drank irish with cape? Because we were just wait and to see how long I stuck you yeah, say mine. Ox.

so i'm i'm holding this is an X A two, but it's the same as the X A. I'm holding the X A two next to the icon one touch and it's about two thirds. The length is slightly shorter, you know it's quite a bit finer front to back.

I mean, IT is such a small camera. IT is, if we were talking earlier about an auto focus icon, eight thousand eight, and then the F M two was the manual focus like alternative to IT. I'd say the olympus X, A are the manual focus alternative.

Disappointed shoots, right? I know it's a different brand, but this camera does not have a motor drive, IT does not have out of focus, IT does have lot of exposure, and only the X A does have arrange find of the X A two does not. But what my tony was able to do in shrinking and making this camera as small as possible is still at an engineering marvel.

And and the other engineering marvel, the third camera, and my quest for the smaller camera in the ninety eighties is the aga eighteen, which came out eighty five.

That is very little camera actually. IT is a toy camera.

Is is the best toy camera? Youll never have. I mean, with some children's camera. I mean, you look at the instruction manual in russian. And IT was manufactured and marketed as a child's camera.

That frame? Yes, yes, yes. Well, the other thing I was cool about the the elements X A, that electromagnet shatter release on IT was just so cool. Yeah IT IT was so. I mean, because the the problem of the small camera is IT was hard to take a picture with slow shatter speeds without moving the camera. And so when when my tony designed IT with that electromagnet release, IT was so smooth to push that button down that you you took away the the possibility or the likelihood that you were gonna have a have camera mode.

It's probably of any camera ever made. Has the most engineering gone into a shuttle release? Then probably any other camera were made like he had literally had to invent new technologies is just to create that shut on IT. Like paul said, to make IT as smooth as possible with his little body shake is possible.

I tell you what mean talking about the little there and now going small and and so on. But there was a competitive that made a really nice camera um that was just a small and just as good my I recon because it's got the blue ring lands is is a really nice is the meme of you and your finalized poor they are really nice to use their small they they are yeah the quiet and the quality is just fantastic tic. They also have an order focus version as well, which is slightly bigger.

I also had one of those knew when they came out, actually my dad had IT and passed IT on to me and yeah, they came out anyone .

yeah and the fantastic .

there there they're bigger than they. They x say there there is a bulk. Your camera similar design looks kind of has that that star looked to the bulbs petric over the lens, but it's a fantastic camera.

The difference is they got the flashing graded in the actual camera while the X I S series had attachment.

They've had reliability issues forty years later, you know yeah but uh, I look, I got one from paul that with A A little help from our our repair guy out in the data, I was able to get IT up and running and and tweet and that camera is is is delivers is a really great .

little camera was really because there there is this is this is use, like not many people know about days, but I right review on this one a while back. And the quality of this kind was absolutely amazing. The amErica and bigger, it's a it's more in line with the l thirty five years. So you got a comparison but this uh media the quality I was getting out that um out of that this camera is absolutely a standing um I I put the review up and I just could the the response I got was people discuss the current results, getting other camera mighty ideas.

What you know there is interesting though, because at that time oma was making some pretty good quality point shoot cameras and some very high quality medium format cameras. And really should thirty five seven S R the Z E the Z M Z X Z E two were, 嗯， and I I have to I have to say this, they were distributed in the U. S.

By company, by baLance, before a amErica came to be. And I was A D R. For and I saw hundreds and hundreds of maybe is the and um I hope that doesn't affect me.

You know what happens to me when I die to love? They were mechanically optically. They were very good. The lenses were excEllent and the cameras were not well made. If sometimes if you pull the the film y wind lever up to chat to open the back, the whole thing would come off in your hands.

I have the Z E, X, which does work, but barely. And IT just feels like at any moment IT is gna collapse. Like what you're telling me doesn't surprise me based on my experience with IT.

I'm wondering, though, what your experiences pulled away with the short lived N, C series because I want a.

no, yeah, I forgot all about c one thousand.

But those are earlier though. Those seven.

they were. Seven.

they were Better. Bill.

they were. They were. We could do an entire, I mean, we I think we've talked about this ma, had how many males do they have over the years.

like eleven different eleven landmen s for eleven different lens months, if you count the icon f, because technically the mia prismatic became the nike X F, which use, and then the reo singlets. So, uh, you know, all the different variations of the screw lenses. The meet auto X T L, which was a really great camera.

But IT had its own mouth. The Z E series had its own mouth. It's ridiculous. Like, made me for how good of a company they were at some things. Boy, they just did not have any leaders that know how to keep them on track.

But the N. C. One thousand was a nice camera, was very well. But I was very well made, but I was very short lived. So there was not a lot of lenses are other accessory support.

Going back to what theo said, the image quality of the of the early point and shoots one benefit of, and I just call any point and shoot from, let's say, the late seventies to maybe the immediately, well, generally call that the first generation of pointing shoots. They didn't have zoom lenses so that the optical formula as resemble ties were fixed focal length, usually sai y angle.

For one, they could be made smaller, but also the wider, the angle that improve dept. The field you had, which made focusing easier, especially for the early out of focus systems. But even the early autofocus systems weren't truly autofocus, like we think of if today, like there is not a sensor in these cameras.

Deco s oh, that object is eighteen feet away. I'm gonna focus, eighteen feet. Oh, this object is nine feet to wait.

Didn't work like that. Most of the systems, they were like automatic zone focus. I don't know, paul.

Like first of Better way to describe, but but IT was like there is really only like three, four actual focus ranges that IT could focus to. And IT relied on dept. The field to fill in the gaps. Am I saying that? right?

That is correct. And and and the improvement came as as soon as the numbers of zones increased, right?

The numbers of zones increased. And then as the zoom lens came out, just by virtue of the design, the latest type slower.

the the second variation, the second step was actually not zoom. They were they were twenty, len, thirty .

five .

or six, thirty, eighty. And and that was that was really the the difference because they they had not yet got the auto focus to the point where was actually right now IT was not infinite variable and I can't remember. I think I might have been even samsung at the first infinitely variable uh zoom lens on a point shoe camera on.

But I mean, if you and i'm going to make a vae statement, i'm sure there's exceptions. But you could compare a point and shoot thirty five meter camera from one thousand ninety two to a thirty five million pointings shoot from nineteen eighty two. And while the ninety toog going to have a more modern design, more bells and vestals, probably a more flexible auto focus system, image quality will be less on the nineties.

Camera the earlier cameras with the the tester, the pecado, he had a five element lands. The original X A had six element lands. Um I mean how they fit six elements into a body the small wishes still amazing to me um but some of these early pointing to some holding one here that doesn't get talked about off and but this is called the can and MC so this is very similar to the uh olympic IT is a little bit bigger but not by much IT has you open up by just slighting the door open?

It's a thirty thirty five years later. F two. A, you know, it's got a nice red ring around the lands, you know.

So it's not a icon, but it's but i've had to go through a couple of days because the first few that I found suffered from quoted battery syndrome, which certainly isn't to fault to the camera. The previous owner didn't take the batteries out, but these things are quite nice. Camera, it's got a middle door.

IT is a lot of plastic, but IT doesn't feel like squeezy. You know, i'm freezing IT and it's not like cracking in my hand. The auto focus system works really well. IT does have a motor drive, so as a little out when IT fires, but image quality is excEllent, very, very, very good. And I would although I don't own them amma that he was talking about, I would I would suspect it's comparable in terms of image quality.

So like if the pointing shoot cameras with the dana of the one thousand and eighties of the time of world, you know, the nick cave and the bad seeds was also out there, the the underground, you know I honestly didn't even know about them in the eighties, but in nineteen eighty, uh la bo marcona releases the uh amErica six seven w and a few years later they released the six seven zero. I wish I know about them when they were new. Yeah and then also fuji were putting out just the weird cameras for the time the uh six ninety came out in the early eighties and then the camera that I I have, but I still can get my my mind around the, uh, six eighty I came out in eighty nine. Uh so two you were putting out just this really strange cameras that were going against the flow of of what was common at the time.

Well, they brought back the folding camera and they introduce bellows in the eighties and I mean, I don't know, but I have to assume people were like why you know I mean when when with the exception of like the kotch rat now where it's technically there is a blows in there but you can't see um 还没有 trying to think here。 When was the last time there was a mass produced bellows camera late fifties .

maybe think you consider the us. Is a beloved .

not is true below in the traditional sense but not folding below is like like there .

is always weird so yeah .

give vean land of past but other other land which that's a good point. But what was that um there of people got when what .

is that all this g six forty five IT. Back in the mid eighties I I was at D R for plum bell, the machines sixty seven h which was the first version um and I bought two. And I travel all the world of those cameras.

I mean, there was my absolute favorite camera. IT was a simple less thing in the world that was so reliable. The meter on IT was, was, was one of the first cameras with this, with a sick blue cell. IT was just a really good camera, and my wife had this camera. This actually heard Cameron to G S. Six forty five so SHE loves this and h still loves IT markin as I saw, I never sell and then I saw him and now I wish I had because just I I really just missed IT was just such a nice .

camera with snick Lances, right? Yes, yes. yeah. Had six.

Seven was a eighty mile ter of two eight nik.

or we talked about, you know, I never made a medium for at camera, but they certainly headlines is available for quite a number from maya plana. I read you had a little with bolone told me the me folding sex. There were a few.

They had nickle lengths on those two. They had a whole series of those six forty five point. The one you have that was the first one with the the brush guard, the metal.

They they had some that this one had a range wilder. The the second versions, a wide lens versions, did not have range writers. They were estimate focus bar .

IT was forty five thousand five hundred.

That that's good. That's are this one here. This is G S um six forty five days the the .

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and then .

there was the G S. The G S were the auto focus versions and they made two at least the G A. And then the G A Z, which we had a zoom ones are .

I reviewed the G A IT was one, of course, cameras he sent to me when he was still alive. And I reviewed IT, and I got great images from IT. But I was the first time of my life.

I was like, this is too easy if a camera use like you, that G A fug wrong decades, which I stop talking about IT IT. But IT was a point and shoot medium format camera that was just literally point, press the button and you do nothing. So I like that in that regard. But no, no, it's too automatic for me.

Well, even I think he was the only one. I I think i'm write about this. I think it's the only mean format camera ever made. There was D, X coded .

in because fujii had right .

de put a part code. Yeah, yes. So I used with food. G, if I got the x coding, right?

Yeah, right. Well, we've had a few people join us. Mark, doctor jumping has has been on the shown a while. We have patron grabs has been on before, but not with the recent episodes. We already talked to Chris wells, but has any of you guys had any of the models we've mentioned before already on the show? Or once there's a whole bunch of brains we haven't got ten to yeah that I had great cameras from the eighty.

So petrick is usually into cameras from the eighteen eighties. But H, H, H, I chAllenge, chAllenge. Right, there we go. It's a code, ac number two strings that after. So that's .

an remarkable good condition.

Pati, perfect. I've used IT to, really, yeah, I put some one twenty filming. I use some wine corks as spaces with little pigs and IT IT worked to, yeah, look at the top of that.

It's just it's a maculate that's a beauty doesn't take good photos. I mean, I have to clean the lens all more. And to try again, I just had the proof of views. You know.

you press the button. We do the will actually use .

the rest sly camera.

Now I did um I have a couple articles on my site. I did a fritillary review of the eight eighty eight codec is part of my cup result series and someone had it's an pacific and I think he had found an actual scand receipt where someone had the original eight eighty eight camera, and he had to reloaded IT, developed and reloaded IT. And you pay ten, you pay ten box.

Now, ten box in eight hundred and eighty nine, these con of money. But that included developing and printing of a hundred images up to one hundred and gas. Then they would also reload IT and they would send him back to you.

So in other, they are almost like rebuilding the camera. Uh, while those cameras were reload like they were intended to be reloaded by the end user, I think estate, because they weren't even go back and were just, uh, they were still the a the registry company. They just assume that people would send them back. And I think that was the intent to have the factory. Do IT for you.

I think IT changed deist between the one in the two or the two and some of the other ones where you could have the option of changing the film yourself. But the first one you could not. You have to send IT back.

Yeah, I was always amazed that that was filton film on paper. And the in the factory they stripped the gilt off. Uh, oh, you right.

You're printing your film. Is the print essentially? yes.

So, okay. Well, there go. We've covered the first time ever.

We have covered two centuries in the same decade. That's cool, Patrick. K, I am jealous. I have not seen a working one in that kind of condition ever.

I got the next one up to. This one is not eight and eighties, but this is the, this is the bigger, the bigger one that had in body focus, where you can turn the nob on the top and you can actually IT would focus the lens inside.

Well, in ten more episodes will do episode ninety. And that you can come back on to talk about the that's a very cool patric, that is that a special camera you just don't see in that condition .

especially i'd like to return to the the inox thirty five series OK. I think um we're talking about a decade in which cameras of the eighties are increasingly unreliable. And I think one of the really need things about them in ox thirty five series is that you can send IT to down cold berg and wisconsin for ninety dollars.

Get back a completely service camera. H, wow. And that is, I mean, that is not, there are very few points cameras left that are capable, let alone for for that little amount of money in.

So I think for anybody who is like listening and wanting to, you know an accessible thirty five million or camera with a lot of the perks of the ninety eighties, I think that's a great option. I I don't know the answer. I'm curious the c convert them to the P X, twenty eight battery. Yeah does so so you're not locked into trying to find twenty expensive because don, don doesn't do much. That's that's question for anybody.

What's his weight less like? You know I .

think right now for for mini ox stuff, you can get IT within two months because I think he uses minion x is like a break from working on, like a stuff that's cool, that's really cool.

I A G L and A G T golf so maybe i'll send one of these even though I I don't know if they work or not, but at least say that is concerned.

Was that golf one, of course. Cameras, yeah, ah, yeah, I have the same camera. I have, yeah.

what's the difference? betwen.

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it's great.

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Okay, yeah, okay. I got. J, it's Better. I love.

That's one of my newest ones I just got at last weekend. G, T, I, A, G, no. G, L. G, L.

yeah. G, L, no. Yes.

yes. That's a good one, mark. As I just recently reviewed the the shine on, shine on whatever.

Another example of a camera where IT just pumps out great image after great image. That's a camera. I know I know a paul you've talked about.

You're just not a fan a scale focus for anybody who's just not you just can't wrapped their head around focusing without a get the shin on billi or an olympus X A two and a tania unless you're shooting close up macro o photos in a bar, you're gonna a get a whole role of in focus nice, sharp images. Christopher wells, i'm i'm to put on the spot here. We know, we know he's getting something okay, or you just ran away. We know he's a fan. Amy.

back at something.

Let's see you. God, I want some participation.

I live a small, but I run across the room. This, the offset direction of your money and everything, the can step S, I think least some time. And like the earlier ideas, uh, is my first point shot.

I found the great sale. IT was red and had a broken battery. I was to take some and river band and make IT work because IT takes to triple batteries.

IT has an integrated ones cover, like every other point should, but thirty five, four point five, not super fast, but not super slow, just for i'm a formally broke a college student. IT was the little integrated flash camera, as they actually the only eighty camera I have. And I like four, five rules to this, just as like the pocket camera.

And it's, I like IT a lot, so just like twenty, but I don't the service for each most efficient. I like my now those are cool cameras. And they they made another one was really fun, was the awkward, snappy.

There was a weather proof version of the camera, which those were. Those were either fixed focus or estimate focus. They were not rain changes were the snapp es OK.

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on to the a one and the night on action, touch and those get into the s the awkward nappy was was really a cool little camera that was very portable and came and what you got, mike got a red the tic.

but it's the same exact thing. IT even has this. I I have an acquired nappy and IT has its exact same part. The underwater of you finder. Um this one has a canisters for extra film. I don't know why you would need to bring the film with you underwater, but I like you're gonna change IT down there.

But hey.

instant thing. Yeah, I just literally just solve that thing.

Who else had non A F point shoot cameras? A rko five hundred MOOC? Yeah, there have been seventies, but the M E came out in one nine hundred and eighty.

That was the IT was like the g but I had the multiple exposure switch on IT. So that get the which one? The the M E is the five hundred M E.

IT had little, okay, head a selector for multiple exposure. Okay, I don't remember that one that's interest great is a great little camera. IT was focus as .

we're all google now. What's orange finder range rider?

Okay, cool. And of course, you, the he would have been earlier the you, he is sure they had something in the eighties.

But I took a break from the point and shoot until they came out with the. Test our lands ones the tea series yeah the tea right? Yeah that was like eighty four, I think because they took a break for making, uh, the compact cameras for a little bit. The T, I, I reviewed a tea is the time when .

they started partnering with so and kara and the relationship with contacts, right? I think when they access all that glass, right.

well, they so IT was really confusing because he shake a partner with contacts with size to get the context name in the lens is in the seventy four. They did that with the original, like the affect three. And what was this context? The first context .

called R T S.

R T S. Yeah, the R T S. So that was precure. So you shaka already had access to size glass before ka sera came into play.

But when kera bite you shaker and eighty two or eighty three, that's when they started almost promoting IT more. So I don't know if their relationship change because they never owned IT. They never you shake nokia a ever owned the caro ice brand.

They just license the technology of the name. So when they came up with the a tea in eighty five, that one had A A branded tesla. To be honest. Practically every other one of these cameras is jeopard. Ese cameras had test r copies. So optically, I doubt IT was much different, but you have the carles size test her name with the tea start coding, which is what they really, really promoted as kind of giving you that extra of of of quality was the the awesome coding that they were put on those cameras and they certainly were very good. Uh, the later versions became have become called classics and extraordinary y overvalue, in my opinion.

Yeah, absolutely. I think the nest, the nicest camera in that partnership and thankit falls into the eighties. Uh, is the R T S.

two. It's not. I never handle up and got the context. T, which I guess is the german equivalent of the k created versions. But the R, T, S, two is probably the only S, L, A that I regret selling. IT is just really, really, really nice.

I agree. I know I before the show, I had a little selection that you guys can see in front of the monitor that I wanted to bring up, but I didn't want to be me only bringing up new model. I was hope.

And someone would say, the R, T, S. To this. I do. If you mean that this thing is great, IT feels solid.

I mean, this camera is that it's not even that big but it's a tank is just I love the display. It's got that awesome red L D display. The the view finder is as bright as anything out there.

Um I would even say that in the auto focus era, when they started putting the liquid Crystal overlays on top of the focus screens, you know how when you have press some more blink red, how they do that is they are laying a very thin layer of liquid Crystal over the view, find the screen which ever so slightly dark. So before they started doing that, cameras like this have the the brightest s ellar focus screens of of any camera. Even once I came up years later and just i'm a fan boy, I love this thing so much.

That was also one of the first cameras who was courts controlled shatter?

Yes, IT was the most .

time there was there were not. There might I? I think that was the first. actually.

Didn't that R T S mean real time system? And that's what they were referencing. Was the court right?

Well, was an electro magnetic shatter release too. I was no no mechanical language from the shadow release to the shutter.

Have those held up being just a basic electrical switch like that?

Uh, well, they didn't sell a lot of them. So you know your sample size was relative small bit.

I will tell you that several years back, I bought an R, T, S. Three because I was, I love the way I look. That was supposed to be my leg premium top of the line auto.

Everything fully featured thirty five or esolar that I thought I would use forever. And IT didn't work. IT was, IT was dead, and IT fired. The shutter actually fired, but the film advance wouldn't work. The liquid Crystal display inside, if you find her, wouldn't even light up at all.

And after reading some old like photo, that net poster range finder form d uh, you know, whatever the forms were that we're popular in early two thousands, IT was post after post after post of those rds three all buying. And there was a place in new york that supposedly would fix them. But they have stopped to accepting work over a decade ago and that was rds three, the r ts two.

The thing is, is bullet proof. I should not say bull proof from sure it's not, but it's as bullet proof of an early eighties as sala is. I think .

you've ver find. Are they are they as far as I know, yeah this who in the plant camera services in new york city?

That's proof the one I thought, yeah, that they won't take the R T. S. Three anymore, but they will do the two yeah.

and they probably will do the IT also. But the end was actually pretty good. I mean, like every like all the cameras, you know you use electronics. There was they they did not know that the components were a had were not not a lifetime worth of service ability. So if it's an electronic camera, IT will fail sooner later it's going to happen.

I think of the nicer thing going back to the A D seam that that really steps up for the A D. S is, Christopher, you are holding up a thing in a one or a one in earlier on today.

And I think one of the nicer things about the about the eighties is it's like the final decade where the nicest possible focus screens are present in cameras because as the as the order focus age started to take over about the quality of those screens diminished ed, because the manufacturer anticipated that you wouldn't need to focus. So IT was a dark screen. So you've got this final, final combination of all that technology from the six seventies coming into that, probably the first five years of the eighties before water focus really takes off.

We had rick all on several episodes ago. He's the guy who makes the replacement focusing screens for lot of medium format cameras. And we did a whole episode IT IT.

Sounds like you would be a dry topic. We talked an hour about how focusing screen were made. And there is a part that I was incredibly fascinating, me and he talked about why in the auto focus zone S L R era, the view finders are still reasonable. Bright, maybe not as bright as they used to be, is because they change the technology of how those focusing screens were constructed, and they take more of their light from the dead center ary image.

So when you put on a fifty at eight to eighty, you know, f three, five variable to f four five zoo m lens that just say, and you put those on an auto focus, esolar, if you find, are still fairly bright, but it's because they to change where the focusing screen is actually getting the light from, and it's getting IT more from the dead center, where a smaller appeared land is going to get IT from. Where's back in the manual focus era? You know, cameras like this, we're taking more of the light from a larger area of the land of the sorry yeah of the lands um which just improved its brightest so you know that I mean listen to the episode he explains IT Better than i'm doing IT right there too. But there was actual changes, may, to focusing screens once we got to the zoom era to to maximize what little like there was.

I think I I listened to the part of them. I think he mentioned that all those screens from the nineties and early two thousand were like optimize to at five six.

yes.

then that no matter how right the lens was, if you put a manual focus and you didn't make my difference, and you can really feel that if you take a manual focus lands and put on an eos camera, it's like nothing really changes. You don't feel like you really gain right.

but put an f four lands on the menu focus. It's dark as hell.

You you unless you got a really good and two or the count the e one, for example.

But on the auto focus cameras, they when they they really were not designed to be menu focused. Now, I mean, you lost your split image, you lost the for now focusing screen, and they relied on that focus confirmation, on which I considered to be one of the worst things they ever died on a camera. I mean, I just I think it's just such a waste of of technology that those daughters are just so diao ics bad. What are you .

shake in there? A one and a one canon.

the canon alone.

I I want to point out, I did not have to stand up to grab this, right. So paul, what tell me about the focusing that how does .

that work on that one .

or on any of them?

Oh, the the focus confirmation, it's it's usually a little Green dot somewhere around the outside of the focusing thing and and when it's in focus, IT lights for a brief moment of your life, it's in focus.

This is called the canon l one. This camera command 2。 I had a camera which was almost identical to IT was called the x hundred, very rare camera.

They only saw them in japan, but I had basically the exact same creature. And what they did was this camera isn't in a cannon a series. So there's the same series as the A E one, as the A T one and the A V one, which were all manual focus.

And this is manual focus. You, so this is a Normal fd or F, L, mt. lands. Nothing special about the lens at all. This camera cannot auto focus, but they put in an early autofocus sensor in the view finder. And it's doing the things that an auto focus camera does to tell you whether or not he thinks you're in focus. And when IT thinks you're in focus, a bright Green light lights up in the view find and in theory, you just press the shuttle release in your image should be properly and focus. Now polls glowing endorsement of the technology, uh, is appropriate.

IT doesn't work too good. Which one? There was one camera that had red arrows, and you turn the, was that a pen tax? M E F.

That you turned. You turned the focus ring in the direction of the arrow that was pointing. I think that was the M E.

or was at that on my I don't have a battery in here, so I can play for sure. I actually do think this has errors and it's not a Green dot. Because i'm looking in the view finder and there's a little notch at the bottom of the screen that's blacked out.

I just don't have a bit. It's been so long since i've uses camera. But you're right, there was a pan tax M E F, which was a Normal M E. The difference though with the M E F though is they made one lands that had so i'm seggerman um I don't have an M F here but here's IT .

had the big bump underneath the motor right?

I did have a very early, they made a lot of focus version that I F as well um IT only work there, only two lenders that work with IT. And they were all long lens as they did not even make a fifty millimetre for IT. And how IT worked was they had had a different prism.

If you find there had the autofocus mumbo jumbo, I know exactly what you know how worked i've ever seen one. But a lot of these early autofocus cameras have these behemoth of lenses where all of the technology is built into the lens and they're horrible to use. They're very, very large.

They're incredibly slow. This once. So what i'm holding here, this is called the review A C three, which is a german.

What was that? Um was the name of the store, uh, photocopier. Think yeah yeah they sold this. The review is our house spring.

This is a sHennan c four Rebecca japanese camera sold under the review name, but they made this gargantuan land. So i'm holding an sla. And the lens and the auto focus system is almost the same size as the whole camera.

It's actually thicker than the camera. It's got these two Mickey mouse windows on IT, which emit like an inflight range find that you can see. And there's absolutely nothing.

Coupling this lengths to the body is just a came out because the shenon and the reviews where where the pantai came out. So this I could actually dismal this lands, and I could mount IT to apple tax k one thousand. And I will be basically adding auto focus to apple tax k one thousand.

So the focus actuation has a button on the side .

of the this Green button here on the side. So to use IT, IT has its own power supply. IT even has its own power switch, so you turn on the lens completely separately from the body, and when you want to focus you, you look, you hold your eye to the camera with the lend amount.

Of course, you press and hold is button and all if you can hear IT, no, yeah, there is there his lights on top that light up and tell you that it's focused or not and IT focuses. And then you just press a shuttle released and even in focus image. So I grew with you, paul, the focus confirmation bodies like the l one, the minot A X six hundred. As far as the technology working the way we expect to you now, they are not very good.

I was also true, even on the Better, like the nine thousand, eight thousand eight, when you put a manual focus lands on the eight thousand eight.

they're very hard to focus .

manual yeah you have to rely on that focus confirmation like to come up because .

you you lose the split image. Very few auto focus cameras allows you to go back to a split image. A few. There was a one can in eos that did have a manual focus option. Can't remember .

what IT was called. Is anybody .

to remember he actually wasn't in f that's IT. okay. But I did use the eos mount, but IT was manual focus only. And there was maybe one or two other companies that said something similar to where the IT was an auto focus body that actually did give you true manual focus.

But aside from those, no matter how good of an auto focus system, IT had to go backwards to manual focus was was not ideal. It's possible you can do IT, but it's not ideal. But as far as if you're a collector and you're like that, I really love the stories and the technology in the cool, backwards, goofy designs of yesteryear.

I love these cameras that can and had the t eighty. Here's another one that IT has the big bulbs. It's not quite as bad as the review, but I just there's just something about doing things the hardest possible way, but still working yet.

And I in one little more endorsement that i'll shut up about the eight that kind of need, and it's hard to describe. You have to see IT. IT does have a split image in the view finder.

You know we get the two images that cross like this, but it's a plus though. So IT works both vertically and horizontally. It's the only one like that i've seen. Whether you're holding a landscape or portrait, you can still focus in any direction you want, but only only on this one.

Camera curl. Love that camera. I think I bet I had eight of them. What's really yeah.

where was that box?

There were, there were involved, al boxes, IT was all the lenses. I mean, the seventy five.

see this i've had for years. I ve had this precut. So this I would have loved, I would have loved to have, if you in. I think that's why curt liked me. Is that like I wasn't H, I mean, I do what esthetic about the the common models to, but I would sometimes to go off on these kinds, on these otherwise truly terrible cameras with dead and technologies, but that that, that would just really excite me. But look at how bad of an idea this way isn't IT cool.

And that, and this is a certainly example of if, but, you know, to even call IT bad is kind of unfair to, because these were proof of concepts, these were company, sort of for a one sun at the wall and seeing what's stick, you know, what's in this copy looking lens was probably of the next generation of what was gonna come auto focus that worked well. It's it's the same thing. You go to the to the auto show and you see cars with goofy technologies that'll never actually make IT to the street, but they're putting them and on there just as a way to kind of feel and see what's going to work right and what isn't.

Mike, i've got a couple more one thousand and eighty band analogies for you.

Okay, right? Gotta got to be here. Bans are someone you talking about. Well.

if there is an equivalent to one thousand and eighty Adrian blue era king crimson, oh, it's the output of role. Like in the one thousand nine hundred and eighty, they lost their freak mind and just went weirdly complex and you have the uh the role the role flex um six thousand series. I think they did like five versions across the eighties and they also do like four versions of the S S sixty six in the ninety eighties. These are not cameras that other than the sixty six that are finally, remember to this day.

six thousand was a thirty five millimeter, but IT looked like a medium for my camera, right? great. yeah. yeah.

The most. The whole idea is that the module system, that point, i've never found one working. And forty years later.

no, there there were problems.

Do you know who designed the first modulate thirty five to S L. A, and never .

got released?

Yeah and ah you're very good. And my tony, the camera he was working on prior to the O M one or the m one was going to be a modular sla. But IT was so far out there, it's so different from anything anybody had had ever seen.

Even though my tony had had earned himself a lot of goodwill with with the company, they made him shelvy. There's a few prototypes that where many you can google in online and see what they looked like, but is we're looking camera. But IT IT would have been called IT of tried of if one had ever been you released.

And then if there is a um an equivalent to the um a floor sea gules .

um IT would be connected.

A do in the one thousand, nine and eighties released the pop, the .

food and the tomato.

tomato, yeah, the tomato, the potato. They should add a potato, tomato. I got the matter.

This is a need to a half rain in vertically traveling. We talked about the food G T W three, which is similar, which is a terrible camera, but this is actually quite nice. This once Better. I like the body too. It's funny though, like how many the companies really changed though conically basically abandoned slr around the same time olympus, olympus sort of gave off on the O M series.

They had that those power zone we had Allen, uh, alan donkey, he brought up one of the olympus power assume is one of the worst cameras ever made where like IT was auto focus. But you had the only way to focus IT was by using button or some goofy like that. And then olympus switched over to the I S.

Series, which of those super sume fixed lens eos. But in terms of interchangeable lens esolar, olympus got out of the market. conic.

A got to the market. U shaka. Was still there, but they were, you know, doing the context stuff.

Monella was still struggling around canada and niches visibly. We're doing well. Panic was still well.

The one pan text I brought, I wanted to show is the super a, which this is the japanese version of what the U. S. Version was called the super program.

The x was, well.

yes, this model came out right after to alex. This would be like if the alex was meant to compete with the the nico f 3IT was pantages as attempt that a pro level camera with interchangeable prisms as such like that this would have been the pan taxi version of the nion fa IT was loaded with technology fixed prism。 But I still had the the titanium shutter.

Think it's a dating and trader, you know high, high chatter speeds, just a lot of technology on IT tune. It's got a nice little finger grip to still foreign s cameras. It's very, very nice to hold little LCD and the top plate, you don't usually see too many lcds on eighties A S S.

But I agree with you, yeah tonic a was going on. If we can't compete with them, we're gonna ort of go our own way. And I started releasing these d cool camera.

When did they merge with the OTA? Was that later? Like the nineties or something?

Thousand three.

oh, all right. That was way later.

The the common bond between comic and and alto copiers, all right.

are both their core .

business at that time with both they were office supplies OK. They merged. They merge the office supply business, which did just take the names.

and then the combine cannot come. And also only last to three years. In two thousand six, they sold off their uh optics camera division to SONY and then they were no more.

You buy partners for them were and our half mark here, I wanted to do a quick trivia, a fun one here to, you know if you guys know this one in terms of. Cameras, you could buy new. In the eighties, you had one option if you wanted, uh, like a fred mt. Thirty nine millimeters in a changeable lens .

range finder. What was IT?

Well, the sea was a bit yet.

Man was not like a thread that the asha was this .

was ninety nine or .

ninety thing. yeah. Which country was well known for releasing old technology still russia, which which .

rate that fed five.

That's great. This is still a straight traditional enter change of the lens. And thirty nine, like a third mount. I I don't know why I would want to, but I could put in one thousand, nine hundred and thirty years, l mr. On this.

And I would work in theory, I mean is is is far as the soviet union attempt at a modern range finder goes IT does have a meter. Uh, you get a little top play. It's uncoupled at least I think it's unit's uncoupled.

You have a film advanced lever, right? That's modern. Uh, shutter speeds from one to five hours doesn't even have a hinge back. It's got to pull the removable so they didn't even change that. So the bag still comes off off so a far cry from anything remotely modern, but IT does satisfy the requirements of an interchangeable lens like a thread. Mt.

thirty five of an arrange finder. You could buy new .

in the eighteen.

More me. And I mean.

full disclosure. This camera was introduced in seventy seven, but IT was produced through, like the end of, you know, the soviet union. You buy these new in the ninety two.

There was a guy in italy yer somewhere that was recovering those. And one, a state that I bought. I found a box of them.

There were had like six different colors. There were White winds, red ones, balloons. And they are there, five bees or five seas. And I don't think they were all brain and doing the box. And one out there, I was thinking about IT kodak, eighties kodak dc camera.

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with the one twenty six. The one ten works brilliantly. What the hell lets throw all that way. And of course, they worked done because in the nineties that came out with a, yes, but yeah, the disk, what an amount of R N D money just pissed away.

You know, the thing about the, the thing about the this camera was the, this camera was the processor. And the reason we have tab your grain film.

oh, Better film, because of inking little .

t grain film had to be developed to work with a negative, that small, right? So they like or not, they LED to, they LED to the film. Actually, I kind of .

like the camera, but I always wondered why. I mean, estan, they were selling boat loads, or maybe they were. Maybe the one ten was in decline. I don't know. Wasn't .

lens on the the the this carrot or the development of that lens? Wasn't that the press to .

the cell phone lens, right, that tea grain technology did come out out of this so that that's that to say they wouldn't still mated anyway. But at least you could say that, that this camera format was the first introduction of IT, but the this camera also introduced to us how, with this .

tiny little camera holding .

IT in arms, like you could fit yourself in there and take self of yourself.

The thing about one ten, one twenty six was the picture quality was suffered because there was no pressure plate. The film was just was loose in the back of the thing, was back with paper.

And the they did address that though with the disk of camera though because the actual film stuck, they use was rigid yeah.

So IT was, I need to have anything.

have a bright so one. So this is superior to one ten in what pauli a said there, with one ten that's still a roll film is still rolled up in the edge for the entirety of its existence, except the moment when you're taking a picture is flat and then IT rolls back up again on the other side. So, you know, having no pressure plate to maintain perfect film flatness definitely work to the detrimental one town gammer's.

But they did address that with the dish camera, because not only was the film sandwich footwear two pieces of cardboard, the film itself was made out of origin material that never had a role. So was, I was always flat. The other thing that worked that this didn't go in disk films favor is that the lenses that they put in here were very sharp.

But they also codec issued a requirement of photo finishes to purchase special developing machines for these that had a very sharp six element lands for making print, and very few photo finishers did IT. They did not want to invest in an entirely new machine, a whole new process, just for this crazy, unproven format. So a lot of the results that people got out of the prince that you might have seen from the eighties shot with one of these cameras when they were new, they look terrible because the machines used develop and make the prince weren't the correct ones that code specified.

Now that's not to say they would have been hugely Better, but codec did at least make an attempt to say, look, if you wanted get the most out of these these cameras, you had to have a certain machine with a special lens to be able to eat every piece of detail. In fact, I would argue if anybody here, I don't know if you have and if you have a box of some old developed codec ticks, you could probably scan on a modern day flat bed scanner images that will look Better then any prints that has ever been made of that same film. Back when I first came out, because we can extract more detail out then um some of those older machines could IT.

IT was still a destined fail format. IT was meant to be easy to use, was a cool new design. But I didn't last.

Do you know the thing that the water should the eastern kodak is IT was by then that the concept of drop in thirty five millimeter, uh, the camera would basically thread itself in all this and that. So you got thirty five millimeter, you have easy to load. Uh uh, that, you know, if they would recognize that rather than dump all the money into one into disk and then A P, S, maybe they would have made IT as a company .

that was the fantasy of kodak. And the film community as a whole is instant loading like forever, I mean, even even rapid cassette, which were really modified caret cassette from the nineteen thirties. The idea was, is that you would just drop the filming and they would just feed into the other cassette instead.

Tic pocket institute, 这是 format。 A, P, S, all of those new types of format. One of the signature features was that they were easier to low than thirty five million or was despite the fact that by the eighties, most of these cameras had quick loading features. Anyway, you just extended the .

exactly IT worked fine IT.

but they spent so much time and energy trying to solve a problem that really wasn't much of a problem and that we already had a good solution to that. I think they've became distracted. And when I did a deep dive on a aps film, I came away with a lot more respect of what went into those.

That film in the technology of what IT could have been. IT just came too late. ABS did not fail because of any problems with A, A, P.

S. Failed ed, because I came out too close to the start of digital cameras. Certainly, I had everything about A P S.

Had come out ten years earlier. I promise you would have been much more successful. And we probably, i'm not singer, wouldn't be digital, but IT probably would still be purchaseable today.

bring expected the IT yeah the ninety .

we we were talking .

about cameras that solve my problem that potentially is not a problem, but is yeah what camera in the eighties came out. One ten that had three lines to work.

the pen tax. S L R.

No, you're talking about the test. Go one thousand camera.

no.

this this time the is so i'm you're out the football match you wanna ch the match you want to take pictures of, do you go? You got that going so well like i've i've actually managed to come across this one for the working, uh, i've got one hundred lands on mind IT does come with that one fifty lanes as well so you can actually even exit even more and uh, i've got the full little kid and yeah the little back board and someone and and the new but yes, this is a bit of of a we one can in the ideas without you. I think that running about ideas, on what to try the yeah, so when you change .

the taking lens does IT change the the baccus lar scientist tours are just like a frame line in there.

Now you can just.

you just.

yes, yeah, yeah, right?

So that's .

cool because it's so it's pretty. It's pretty cool. Is this something? I haven't tried a oop all match yet, but next time of a football match, I can try IT. Normally I check if you've got professional cameras when you go into these places and pull this, you I just noticed .

we have peculiar street photography set up by me. Know that? Yes, baby, not yeah.

Might might chase the people walking around ocular, looking through windows.

And well, in the spirit of things that they tried new in the eighties, here's IT came. I know paul. I think you used to sell. Did you use to these this APP shot?

sure. The APP shot.

yeah yeah. So tell us what this is.

The APP shot was still video IT wasn't, uh, digital camera IT was IT was actually a movie camera that captured a still a .

loppy desk was .

very unique. I an IT was in and actually the quality on IT wasn't that bad. But back in the in that period, still video was a processor. The digital imaging and tambra made a device called a photo fox, which was A A scanner, the skin and negatives or slides, black and White or car on the steel video. So IT IT, the resolution was video resolution. IT wasn't wasn't terribly high, but you did get IT onto a uh, a formats could be played on a television and said which the whole point, this they think the APP shots would be, you would see your pictures on A T. V.

Like think of the early game quarters were you would just have a massive wires that you would plug in your TV so you would record if I was analogue tape and you wanted to play back video from a camp quarter, you would just hold your camp quarter up to the T. V. And you people would watch your home videos.

This was the exact same way that as IT was still videos, you would plug the camera in your TV and you would just play. You get fifty images per flappy, and you usually would buy the floppies, and like a five packer, something like that. And you could erase the images.

So while it's not a digital camma, you can call this a digital camera. IT did preview some of the modern conveniences of digital photography in that you could instantly access. If you didn't like an image, you could race IT and just take IT over gania. You weren't limited to only the fifty images you had.

How does that compared to the SONY mEthana? Was that an eighty product?

AmErica was digits later ones.

the flappy, this ones yeah okay.

Are any the confuses the .

digital? They would have been time for that one. Wasn't IT like something like that.

There was early nineteen.

So we're out of the eighties on that.

I was looking at the the fuji website and they claim, ed, that nineteen and eighty eight fuji introduced the world's first fully digital camera, recording digital images on the memory card, the fug X D S one p.

Yes, as a matter of fact, that's true. So there's two generations of mafia. Mafia literally stands for a magnetic video camera.

The original magic a came on eighty one, and IT looked like an issue, and IT wrote to these floppy desks. And I think that SONY saw that as a dead end. And eventually in the nineties, the mavs, they they reuse that name to write digital image. So the ones that you guys are thinking of, I have once .

somewhere the the F D.

yes, that those are mavicks that are digital cameras. They are writing j pegs to a puppy desk. They were, eventually they had, and where .

they wrote to minister cds matter, the medica. That was the year.

the original. Yeah, yeah. So that one would he showing there? That camera was built, IT, which was never released to the public. They had a three or four different lengths made for IT. That huge circular thing on the top will include in the showing tes to but the magical was the first electronics still video camera, so magical magnetic video camera. So to answer the question, the the canon shut.

It's not the same technology, but it's the same concept you're still writing video for for those of you who remember analyze television in the north amErica was nt sc, in a europe IT was pow. So you had different versions of this Cameron factor S A switch somewhere on here where I can switch IT from hell to n tsc so that you could have the two different video standards for IT. But IT wrote still video images to floppy desks.

which is what that original mavity did to like, you know, the same color.

Is that true? No, everybody.

you get a print off of that cannon.

So they made a extra nal reader which had um so you basically to take the disks out and IT was like A V C R for those disks. And apparently that player had an optional like guys or parallel plug where there was a computer programme where you could then import essentially if the video files your computer, which you could then print. But I I have to suspect that by the time IT does that in printed IT probably .

looks pretty terrible.

Gone to look bad. These cameras were .

met for the night.

Yeah, paul, those sold fairly well. didn't. Yeah.

they sold very well. And I think that that's .

a technology that people have completely forgotten about that before digital cameras there was magnetic video as and people would go to, uh, graduation in a birthday party, they take a whole bunch of still pictures. And then without having to develop film, they would just pull out a wire, plug their camera into the TV at the same party, and play back for videos, for people to see live .

wedding receptions, anything like that. I was very popular yet to remember the a lot of Price, fifty percent of the photography back in those days were slides. So people were used to see and and projected.

yeah.

isn't wasn't a stretch IT wasn't a burden for them to hook IT up to A T, V set, to look at the pic now .

and and to have those pictures showing people at the same day, at the same party or same event. I mean, take that for granted now, but that would have been futuristic.

Like state of the are amazing for tos was a big if you had one .

of those in thousand nine hundred and eighty seven, you are.

you were pretty cool. You could be boring by bad pictures instantly. Ously incident. We set away for them to be developed. Here's an eighties that we didn't touch on that could are equally been in last week. But the G S one, e ona, G S one.

yeah, I like, I had mine.

My cat is out last week. Bronic was h you know, I I don't want to say they were dominant, but they had three really good cameras in the eighties. yeah. And that went end of the nie, uh, but they were strong.

Or come on up on the end here. We did lose me. I didn't know he was coming because if I was, there was a couple questions I wanted to ask him but maybe for another episode. Mark, anything new or anything cool that you've you've gotten that you wanted share with us?

Uh unfortunate recently, not very much except for the um the pen tax seventeen is going to mess around that it'll seen how IT worked actually really like IT and this way to develop some of the home.

Very cool, pat and i'm .

very late to the game, but I only recently realized that uh film for a one of the companies is actually making six twenty film little fit a uh medals because, uh, any medalist user, i'll tell you, you cannot shave down a one twenty role no and I only realized recently because i'm slow that you can buy that some company is making little one little six twenty roles. So i've been morally shooting A T M Y and stuff like this with the meddles. So um I learn slowly, but I finally do pick up on things.

You buy enough codec Brownies and do a flexes and stats. You start to accumulate a collection of six schools.

So oh hell, yes, but film for classics, that's like they actually are making new. I mean, you put the street in the metal to me, that of hello. I didn't think i'd see the metal.

Is the codec monitor the chavez? There are a couple others. The film compartment is so tight that if you attempt to shave down the plastic one, twenty schools, even if you manage to get IT to the right size, IT will jim.

The only thing you can do is unable, completely and in a dark room, stuff at in there and use of six twenty about take up school on a hope that's what .

you can do is whole catch to help just is so easy, so easy. We had a question um that .

was posted in the facebook.

Oh yes.

it's it's it's a little on boxing here it's not mine. This is unknown um to to to try out for a couple of weeks and send back but the the new little more like thirty five I which which interesting of camera IT is not some light um seems to do what IT says on the box um yeah people do you .

have a regular thirty five? Do you have original I do.

And it's possible .

someone's done this by now. But when that camera was first being like coming out, I never want .

to saw anybody put the two side by side because .

things holding them from what I can see. How is taller? How about front to back folk? Because .

not maybe to half, but a lot lighter.

So it's lighter and physically larger.

Yep, but IT does have what I focused. IT has a building flash in the auto exposure. So you get is still a lot like her but the alone was, I suspect, bit bras. metal. Some have a metal, this obvious ly a company.

How many dents around the corners?

None and I cannot return IT with say but but what's interesting is this little I yeah and that's um that's that's .

interesting because .

you can just your I S I thought but it's also the meta so IT tells you whether you're underactive sing or over exposing when you go to manual mode because you can actually manually as well and IT, there's nothing actually in the p you find that to tell you it's it's all on this little lucky old one had the bait on top IT kept true to that. Which i'm not sure that's the one page first .

I .

would have kept if I was moving into A A more modern camera but yeah so so camera but it's but something i'm having the right to use over the next couple weeks and right about soon.

Well, you're the influencer of the non influencers because we don't get anything early. That's cool though. I I mean, i'm excited to see IT.

I I went back and force whether I wanted IT or not and there was a period of time or was like going to do IT when IT came down to IT seventy hundred box for I mean, you guys can't see the shelf here, but I just I couldn't do IT. I just have so many other cameras that I would rather shoot. Then the nothing I .

want to say you convince me because I I always planning on getting IT and I I think a few other sides ago and I was fully on board, but been given the opportunity to travel on a trip that I planning. So yeah um and i'll have to save this chemical committed.

I'll let us know for sure we'll have for we will save that for episode one to one when we do cameras of the twenties.

the twenty first century, twenty years, I have a twenty but yeah well.

we don't know. We still .

we said.

yeah well, that's super cool. But I wanted to answer a question. This was one that someone had already answered, but I kind of wanted just quickly common on IT because I do think it's sort of relates to what we're talking about here.

But I was rod hasler posted in the camera cy podcast facebook group. He said, i'm thinking of getting a thirty five minter camera for my daughter to really learn the craft. SHE currently uses my food G X one hundred f and gets good results right now.

The camera at the top of my disappoint x amax due to the quality Operability in size. She's ten years old, so the smaller form factor as a plus any other cameras, you think I should be considering avoiding pointing shoots because there isn't enough manual control. So rudd's asking for recommendations of what? Sounds to me like he wants to stick with an sla.

He once manual control, its first ten year old daughter wants small form factor quality capability in size. And my response to him, there were allowed of great responses in the group. But my response was, I mean, you already leaning towards the mx, it's a hard camera to beat. But if if IT wasn't that one, I might have, you know, steer him towards like an FM or I can F M F E. But does anybody else have any you know suggestions for someone in that kind of same situation?

I think the M X is an excEllent choice. Yeah the other one that I would say and only because it's in it's not the same thing I know. But the nico E M for some, the E M is a good starter camera, because you do have some some my automation, yeah.

So for a ten year maybe. And E, M, you can buy for sixty, seventy bucks with a one eight lands on him. That would also be one that to.

Because SHE is ten years old and then you you step from there into an F M F E. SHE gets into IT having a little bit automation. Roy couldn't hurt.

Is SHE be Young for that down pole because .

wasn't a ladies camera.

Ah IT still says that on their website that a side though, when you hold an em calling IT a ladies camera or the smallest or whatever, just really doesn't do that camera justice because it's actually quite nice, very nice. I have Normal sized male hands. I'm not too big, not too little, and IT is not uncomfortable.

Although IT does have an electronic shutter icon didn't skin on if the battery dies, IT still fires at one ninety fifth of a second. So you can still you IT with dead batteries. IT supports practically the whole.

I I won't do non I lenses or the later digital lenses, but I mean all of the the best f man lends is the slate sixty seventies and eighties work on that camera. So if he wants to stick with the the icon system, that's a great starting point. That is a great .

suggestion. Ball got really act for a little girl suggestion here.

I agree. Well, I wanted thank you guys for coming on the show. I thought this is a great discussion. Um you know we never know where these episodes are gonna always did was pick cameras at the eighties, I did not dream we would get into the history that we did recovered a ton of models.

And then you're going to have your work cut out for you have an talk with the list of all the cameras we talked about here because we like to post stuff that we have always shared on our instagram page for the next episode. I've been, I can if i'm going to save us, but we've been aluminum the forever. I am putting myself out there at the risk of being permanently banned from every single camera collector society out there.

But we are going to a attempt that is the keyword here, but we are going to a attempt to cover the wonderful and complicated world of icici. Ca, on cameras with episode dated one. Deo has already said, hell no, i'm not .

showing up to that one.

So no um we're going to a report. So this will be in the united states in north amErica will be entering daily ate savings time next weekend. So we will be recording on a monday, november eleven IT will be seven o'clock but central standard time no longer delete savings time.

So for thee's, that screws them up because australia, although you guys do you have daily savings time, you're on a completely different schedule from north america. So monday, november eleven, seven P M central, we're gna cover the eyes icon. There's no way we will cover the whole brand one episode.

Um maybe we will try and limit to maybe the first half of the twenty a century or something. I don't know. I will do my best. I will come prepared with Larry gu bas is ice book here so that I don't make an embarrassment of myself um but there's so many great model, so many awesome cameras that came from a i've professed my love for the original context many times over. They had some great, as are worth mentioning to and IT is a fascinating, an important part of of camera history .

so I got an idea. Let's invite the guys from the facebooks I historical society page, you know, the group i'm talking about on facebook, the ones that that eighty sexual wouldn't let you back in what's what's in for tem and in the waiting.

Don't mention so they get kicked out you know if somebody wants to join and and offer us some guidance. I am humble. I don't know everything.

I make mistakes. Believe me when I added these episodes, there's times i've said stuff and sick mike, that wasn't right. But so I really want to go back and fix IT.

You know, I sometimes just let you go, but you know, that's part of doing a podcast. And I do my best. I think everybody here does her best.

I love the quality information we have on the show. So we're going to try ice icon. I think, like I said, there's some great models that I am really excited to talk about.

And here, what you guys have to think about that brand to and depending on how that one goes or at which point we have to stop because we couldn't even get through pen tax. And one episode, we had to split that one up. And two, if we had to split up pen tax and two episodes size .

could please be at least two. Yeah.

yeah, at least two. I mean, you have eastern west erman size. You have the guys. I yes, so you ve already going to talk about a little bit, but that name is just so big and so important.

So i'm excited to go over IT, but I want to thank you guys for coming the show. As always, the topics and discussions on the camera sy podcasts ter influence by you. So i'm looking forward to next week.

Have a good night, everybody. Thank you.

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