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On this week's episode, we're going to discuss open source robotics and what the future holds in store for us. Could be doomed or we know could be doomed or could be all good. When you talk about IT welcome, the destination linux .

were just everything know the game itself, like could be the topics.

gaming, mobile and all things open source in linux. My name is ryan, and joining me are my half robot, half human host, Michael and jill.

So how long as I get my left armies to update? He .

never updates jill.

Yes.

yes. See OK. Um it's got a pit boy.

three thousand on this risk clearly right here.

Yeah, it's got a dictate. See, watch.

It's up. It's up here now. Yes.

very good. And joe .

and like Michael, my software up today and it's all open .

source of minds.

also open source, but it's also, you know not up today. My mics is based .

on the Michael A I bought, which if you want to contribute to, is out there on my github. Now let's get the show on the road to destination linux.

right. So in our community feedback this week, steffen has this to say, soon the four hundred episode of destination linux will hit the road. And I back seat would like to ask you one question, are we there yet there .

for what is linux .

there yet? Because the destination is linux. He's asking, are we there yet?

Oh, I see. Maybe was like willand red related.

You know what? I think linux has come an incredible way since i've joined. what? Eight years ago now, six years ago, I don't know how long it's been. It's not been that long. Not like Michael and jail have been in for twenty five years.

I don't .

more just in the last you know couple of years, the fact that I remember having destination linux gear on had linux all over and going into a store and being shocked if somebody said, hey, I like linux and then I remember a year too later, walking in the stores and having a lot of people like, oh, I like linux, I like linux and now it's no longer this like thing.

This underground group of people that are random that run linux like lots and lots of people run linux around the world. So depending on your definition of are we there yet, we run the entire internet. We run most of the military. We run everything .

in the spacing puter yeah to five hundred supercomputers um basically everything .

yeah so we win.

I think the answer is yes. And also would an ask risk if you put this top in that question .

yeah yeah it's just top, then I think we're closer than we wearing .

very close yeah .

but we're not quite quite there yet, although windows is sure making IT .

very easy for us. Thank you.

Yeah yeah that all you recall features and you know making windows eleven and compatible .

the most older they really do .

love licks. After all, they're doing everything they can to promote IT. There.

they have proven that they love linux and not their customers.

but stuff in also said this is going to be our four hundred episodes soon, which that kind of shocking.

So that's a crazy number. The fact they were actually getting to four hundred and we still don't know how to in the show because we still can't think we .

still have to read IT still have .

to read the in this show. But uh, this is awesome. I can't wait for hundred. We have a special treat plan for four hundred ds, you don't want to miss that.

Yeah four hundred and huge, huge right? Uh, Stephen has other things to say. Michael quit just hanging up on the first paragraph.

It's got other stuff to say here, right? I mean, you're the one who stopped after the first pair.

Goes gone to say, anyway, the interview with artium zorn in episode three ninety five was so great is an incredible personality. When I was twelve, computers where these magical cypher machines was strange. Text and boxes is on IT and artium just started.

This first attempt at building is distro for everyone at that age, which is quite amazing. That was a antasari view, a audio. amazing.

Really appreciate you coming on. Such a great person to talk to and learn their story. I was such an an .

awesome interview to. So if you haven't checked IT out, absolutely check IT. I will have a link in .

the absolutely goes on. The seizure of as being very popular with schools makes a toner sense. When I was approaching the end of my high school career, school just updated its three computer rooms with new pcs in the shiny new windows XP.

Instead of throwing away the old pcs, a physics teacher equipped three additional computer rooms with these old pcs and open susa. This is my first contact with linux, but I felt strange. And also due to the old hardware cheap, unstable and unattractive to me, IT took me many years and the vim experience before I would give linux another chance.

Well, what the stuff but you like the the W, H, J, K, L movement and stuff, that's what did for that's crazy. How did you exceed IT? That's the question.

That's the reason why I gave one is another chance cause was stuck in the amines and when you when you found out the answer was like use linux, like oh, okay.

Thanks him so much because you never will get out of IT. It's still the day thinks linux .

is vim and it's running so good because IT doesn't take up much RAM because IT doesn't much anything unless you customized the much .

of IT oh my god, hold the zim hate were about the good so much. I, im too.

So im, how dare you all .

the zim hate, we're going to get all the zim people out there. Zim, zoom, us, zimmers, zmp, momus. anyways. Now I hope this order s makes a much Better impression on the following generations.

The linux community really needs more talented people like him with a passion for use ability and Normal PC units to gain relevance in the end will all profit from IT. That's the beauty of free and open source. Amazing email. Absolutely great with everything you said there um yeah I I think zorn is an incredible O S bite itself. But after hearing artium story, IT makes IT that much cooler, in my opinion, than you n before.

So yeah, oh yeah. Ah zn I L orn is like this nice. Um destroy that you could just give someone and y'll be good to go and get ready and beat really easy.

I never really thought about IT being like the number one, but during the interview he said some stuff about how they treat like the beginners like a very main focal point, and how he did special features and stuff just for that. That made me kind of like, you know, IT IT is probably on my number one, or least like in the top three. If IT was twenty four four based and they updated the base faster, IT would definitely be number one. But yeah, even without that, it's still .

pretty high. You mean number one for what you'd recommend the new users.

what I would recommend?

Yeah, yes. Yeah, exactly. yeah. I totally a great Michael and I wanted to think, Stephen, he's the one who who wrote wrote this community feel feedback he said, dest regards, Stephen.

So thank you, Steven, for sharing your linux journey with us and letting us know the R T. M. Journal interview and story should be part of of future linux users journey. I fully agree yeah it's a great distro for beginners. absolutely.

Is IT Steven or Steven? I have Stephen here now. I don't know jill says is Steven .

it's a in and depends on you know your like perspective IT could be definitely could be Steven.

However, they want to .

say that we don't know know .

either way, I appreciate you.

My husband is Steve S T E V E, but a lot of people call him S T E P H E N.

And this is.

but this is a yeah, I could be .

stifling some people also spells t Steven .

with an a and so .

we don't know the comedic spelling of your .

name when you send this feedback in addition to the episode that you're way to say your name uh and .

if possible, to be like, you know how like something as in whatever. So that sounds like that I be great.

You realized though that jill went against us in this, like I have said, steff in the whole time. And SHE decided to. Not only that.

he called .

me out about IT.

IT was like.

because nice. Did you notice that I was shocked, jill, you know, spire from job.

Well, I actually after .

you after yeah .

after after robot, after you read the community feedback, you forgot to say who I was from. So that's why I would repeat.

So that's why you went and try to chastise me. Well, yeah will know when they right now, whether you were right or I was right. And whoever is the loser has to do fifty pushups .

oh okay OK so not fair as a compares. Like the thing, like the thing you do every day anyway.

or something yeah, course. So either way I went and .

just I can do at least five or ten .

without having done them in a long time. But I used to do fifty.

You're going fifty in a row time.

I don't think I can knew fifty. I don't think I can do fifteen much. Let's fifty.

I was like, I ve got one one.

I I actually have tested. I've got to ten and felt like I was about to pass out. So I think fifteen, I would literally pass .

out probably about all in .

one go if we would like to break IT up like ten hour ten. Next I could do that. All one go a well.

jl you hope you right because .

um but .

I like respond and say .

that the answer is whatever jill said but sit ups I might be able to .

when you on that when I actually have the record at my high school for sips over the men's record, I still do those each morning.

To see this chAllenge played out well, you have donate for IT cost about ten thousand dollars. So you ten thousand dollars, jill, I will do a set of competition .

like scale.

eight, ten thousand .

dollars. You not only sponsor us to go to scale, but jill and I will do a set up competition, which I guarantee you I will win. So.

no, you, you, you probably, well, yeah, no, no.

stop .

IT. You .

know, go .

OK. I should say .

you're gonna stop me .

going destroy ryan.

Actually, i'm going to destroy you ran, because what I will do is I will practice and I will do sixty five setups in one minute is what? What my right .

heart here. The slow Price of ten? great.

It's low, low Price for easy payments of twenty five hundred dollars.

Yeah, will take payments. No, it's got to start twenty five hundred, lars of piece the payments, but we will take payments, you know sure. Uh, speaking of companies that don't need any donations or payments because they worth like three trillion dollars, did you hear that a in video and hugging face or partnering up with what?

I did not hear about that, but I also love to hear any time we can talk about hugging face because the name is the me.

The name alone is worth .

billions. Work with the marketing decision of branding .

person to chose that. They really did the amazing job we're to talk about hugging face because we've mentioned them in past episodes, but we have never gotten into their history, and what we found is going to change your life forever. But first let's talk about is like this.

what? What a great teeth up there.

yeah. Thank you.

A six o clock we should return to in this could destroy your entire life. But until then.

here's the weather.

exactly. So this is a lot of customers.

So did you watch the tesla event where they get the robot taxi and elevate .

of get the robot taxi? I forgot to go cyber cab. S.

I like that cyber cab.

but obviously the biggest thing is the the robots are are walking around and talking to people and having conversations and seemingly became .

magic and then the depression it's .

all lies aren't they weren't real. Yeah, this episode of .

rick and morty, right? We're rick.

And the very beginning of IT is at the breakfast table and he spends like twenty minutes going through and know he's the mart person were building this robot it's AI and alive, you know it's sending and when it's done the robots like, what is my purpose and he's like, you pass butter and then what goes, oh my god and then a good uh so anyways, you just really said depression and robot, remind me that thing so yes so tesla had these robots walking around when I first saw IT and I I saw the interaction with other guess, I was like, oh my god, is this real? Is this possible that he has A I in robotics working that seamlessly together? But the first glue that was off was the accents of the people who were the robots we're talking and then how fast they were responding. IT was like instant antanas ous responses. And then we come to find out that we're actually humans behind the scenes that were kind of doing boy hovers are helping out the robots.

There was even like the controlling and like he had its movements and stuff too in addition to the boyster. That's what I .

saw so wasn't quite as exciting uh, as I had hoped. But I like ryan yeah I kind of what is a little bit little bit, uh, I got me thinking about the future of robots beyond vacuum and A I assistance a out there and you know how cool what would be to actually be interacting with a robot that fluently where it's just talking to you, engaging in conversation and there's almost no difference between that robot and walking up to random stranger in talking to them.

But the big thing is I want an open source robot. I don't want just any robot. Be open source .

like gotta plupp .

robot yeah .

I took the .

big and and we don't want you to be a propriete terminator two robot .

that's for exactly that was totally yeah .

we want to open source, silent as well.

We're talking about open sa. Uh, well, this week and that was such a terrible impression. Gel, was that a salon? Or was that the danger will like not even sure what happened there? The deal robotic site just glitch.

Yeah, I just.

这个 狗 开始 here。 Uh, so there's a partnership there was announced between hugging face and in video that's gona complishment this open source robotics dream. And this partnership combines hugging faces, the robot OpenAI platform within video's AI, omniverous and isac robotics technology program.

And so these two independent robotic divisions are going to come together and make open source powered robotics division out there. And their goal is to supercharge the advancement of robots in industries like manufacturing, health care, logistics and more. And that, to me, was really, really exciting because number one, video is now they said a valued more than apple is more valuable than apple. This is a company I believe they're replacing intel in the stock market now is one of the top .

technology companies .

um which is interesting intel fall um and SHE sad come .

on until you got this you know IT actually is very sad because I don't know what in videos music .

is but I know intel's m and there's .

no iconic like yeah you if it's kind of sad in that sense, like you know it's like in video is just coming out of nowhere in doing some uh not the greatest things they're doing some cold stuff sometimes but you know the whole um participating in the ecru pto mining process of making the getting their hardware a nightmare for years, not the greatest part of IT, but you know like to make a trillions.

Looks like they're winning.

They're making three technically.

You know there's rumors out there. They're gonna release their first C P U. Next year. So they're going after everyone like everyone is now in their radar. They're not just going like, hey, we're just going to this A I thing. They are diversifying their portfolio fully, which when you ve got three trillion dollar investment, I mean, why not what do you do with three trillion dollars?

Yeah that's the question. Well, you make apple .

look via what do you do with .

that before you know they were working on their and video a uh tegor chips which were great for media and home entertainment systems that were low powered. But it's it's I I had a feeling in the future would see that make much more powerful CPU. I think you're probably .

going to go the way of apple. You're going to see an in video board with their GPU and their their CPU integrated into one chip and then they're gona have IT, you know basically a socks essentially, that they'll be putting in machines that could be used for all kinds of different.

There's probably going to be something like that. But I also think there's another thing. They can use a lion dollars. They could been ten thousand dollars of IT and get us to scale so that that competition between chill and ryan happens. And yes, so many, so, so much potential there.

Now can you, off the top of your head, mico, tell me how much money would they have left if they gave us ten thousand dollars of them?

They started with three trillion, and they end with three trillion. Significant amount of money for them. It's still three trillion because the next day they get more money that goes back for three child. So it's like not going to feel IT yeah .

yeah so like and his knees for .

them or something yeah it's like .

what we drop a pending on the ground to them would be even worse than that would be. Like the value.

I think what you wanted was nine hundred and ninety nine billion, nine hundred and ninety nine million, nine hundred and nine thousand, nine hundred and nine?

No, I can't do IT. yes. and.

I wait that I was doing .

like a yeah two two trillion .

nine hundred nine, nine billion nine hundred nine, nine million nine hundred and forgot the billion eighty thousand and maybe like ten cents because .

of ten thousand and ten cents exactly the tax is they're upping the paying for the time .

exactly is a fee for the transfer.

So we've talked a lot about hugging face over these episodes like we've mentioned them with multiple time. Is Michael mentioned how cold the name they are and i've really have never stopped to find out who is this cool company like they do a lot of cool things, but like what's their origin in, I want to find out more about them.

So we're going to spend a little bit of time talking about hugging face because it's really an interesting story, number one. And then number two is, I guess, some questions for john Michael about this future with robotics, generally excited to hear their answers for. But hugging face is american company based in new york. Is your first fact, Michael.

put in your fact, bank that you did right now?

IT was founded in two thousand sixteen by french entrepreneurs climate the lingo, Julian chacha d and Thomas wolf, I got the wolf part right. And Thomas.

but everything else, who .

knows you? Uh, they were named after the hugging face of mogi. So if you want to know what that cool name came from my calls, that little hugging face emogene that you probably have never used because you don't do cute things like that. But I think .

I don't know. I didn't know I had a name and I think I know when you talking about, but I know I had a name. Yeah I also, the funny thing is I was thinking like the hugging face was a reference to aliens.

Yeah I well, you guys know hugging face emerge .

all the time. It's actually one of my SHE use the modus on on our social .

networks and chat.

So I knew that was the name of IT I can face. So no one like A.

I is perfect for that name because some people see IT is like the emogene is positive and some people see IT is the yeah you know.

positive is, well.

I mean, that depends on your perspective as well. If you're being hugged .

by IT me, your civil o so hugging face has a current valuation of four point five billion. Now, Michael, off the top, your head, if hugging face gives us ten thousand dollars, how money they have .

left be four, four, four billion, nine hundred and ninety nine million, nine hundred and eighty thousand, your work and is pretty good.

What five .

billion isn't what .

I said. I want you know what I said anywhere.

microsoft size. The side is working correctly, right?

I said, I said four billion, four hundred and seven, four hundred and ninety ninety nine .

million dollars. That gives us ten thousand dollars.

I know, but it's four, so billion. It's four point four billion. Okay, so here's what we learn today, me. No good, matt.

How many people right now you think you're listening podcast trying to do IT in their head like it's gotto be?

I feel like they're I they're either trying to calculate in their head and do IT quickly. It's not fair if you're not doing IT alive instantly, you have do IT instantly and and if you if you mess up at all, then you join me in my club of me. No good math and .

that's new shirt, by the way. No good Michael.

Do me like signed IT like this is quote. But there also the other side of people would be like just judging me for being bad at math. No, i'm not bad at math. I'm bad on the spot at math.

Yeah sure we will go with that. Um then thanks .

thanks.

Large language models um or L L ims. And for those who don't know, l limit's like a computational model for natural language processing. So IT takes a whole bunch of data, massive amount of data, and tries to learn from IT.

And there's two ways you can learn from IT, right? Unsupervised, where IT goes off on its own, you you need to watch the data and IT tries to figure stuff out with that data or supervised in which IT tries make decisions with the data. Do you have a human there saying they're going? No, don't.

That's not correct. This is correct when there's a combination of those two, but essentially that's kind of where they got their start. Um well, that's where they start to become popular games got another piece of history here. That's really interesting. How did they first get known jolie?

And sure do they originally started as a company that developed a chat pot APP targeting teenagers, very interesting. So there goes the name they wanted, a happy name the teenagers knew, hugging face and the um then after open sourcing uh the model behind the chatbot, the company pivoted to focus on being a platform for machine learning. You know, they were so successful. Hey, let's get in to the bigger area of ai.

because the chatbot still is going to be an L M based model, A I model. And so makes sense that both of those things are go inside that their first alloy, mbs, were chatbot.

It's really cool and also was a very big pivot and a pretty smart pivot at that.

Yeah well, they also have somebody in that company or multiple people in that company that are the most connected individuals on the planet because they have partnerships would like everyone, like everyone, everyone, everybody, just not just everybody. Everyone like everyone.

one, everybody or .

about everybody. Anyone can do IT as you can. You do Better. me.

So there are also partnered with AWS is one of the companies to develop um you know custom services that they can build on top of the olympic and things for those who use l but they receive funding from companies like google, salesforce, amazon, intel, AMD, invidia and many more. They also have partnerships with meta and uns go to launch new online language translators.

And of course, we just talked about their partnership with video to create robotics and they know everybody and everyone. Thank you, everybody. It's a pretty fascinating company in my favorite part about this. Everybody mice like, I just lost in everybody. everybody.

I just like that everybody got their ice hug.

yeah. Never is to ten thousand. And they they .

might they appreciate our humor. They might .

partner .

with us.

the partner with everybody else.

exactly. They should. They should want to get the competition just for scale to happen because that that that we get really, truly show how much of your face they want to hug. Add scale, add scale. Yeah.

yes. OK. Uh, so the companies get their tennis and everything. And one of the things I love when you go to the website is they talk about open source everywhere on the front page, all over the thing in source, open source, open sore and gets off, get code there. Everything is about open source.

So it's a very interesting company that seems to have all the right relationships that any company would dream of having. And as a result, tons of funding to make cool things like this happen. So hugging face, I used to think there are just a little small company that you know .

everyone just the thing on get her project.

you know me but aren't .

play bigger yeah so congratulations .

to hugging face. First of all, incredible that you've been able to make such a um dent in the industry and utilizing open source and hopefully the rect version of open source the rector yeah .

and also the ethical aspects of open source. Just code benefits.

exactly. So this gives me to my question now like robotics is very interesting when you look at the movies and what they've kind of you've got irobot, you've got terminators, you've got silent, you've got this type of thing.

Um but when you think about like how helpful IT would be from if we had that elon mask, like robot, not necessarily from tasia, but a robot like that, I was able to communicate at that speed that he was trying to present there, was able to be in your home, was able to clean, cook rn irons, maybe even handle home security. What do you guys think about that future? Because there's a lot if people are scared to put a roomba in their house because the privacy implications of that.

Yes, what about this robot walking around? And what is this going to mean, even if it's open source? first? Je, you want to start.

What is? Yeah, I was just something I was just thinking about is that, uh, for one, i'd like IT .

to feed my Kitty cats. You .

really .

get jewelry. Has I have two kids and sometimes it's hard to coral them from outside to come eat their food. Uh, but I was thinking the implications are for to help is especially like what women who are widows or have i've lost her husband's how nice that would be to have something strong in the house, to move, to move things and just do basic, you know, a bit basic test and .

kind of more bit.

But I am having to think about this now, now that me and my husband are senior citizens. So it's something I think.

yeah right you thirty two, the senior citizens, that's thank you forty but it's really cute.

although I think I might pass before my husband.

but I dark.

But i'm actually looking forward to IT. Honestly.

i'd love a robot that falls my clothes like I was you really like i'm looking for you first time .

because part of IT is i'm very ocd in my I I do I fold my clothes, uh, like they did on big, big, big theory. So I use, I use the 呃。

the 呃 呃， plastic thing.

because i'm so O C D. And but IT takes me for freaking forever, because that doesn't do IT perfect until I have to line IT perfect. And so so if I have my you know my two hundred linux shirts collection and i've just gone through and and I do have more than actually the two hand what this course. And that clarified because .

was really upsetting to learn new.

Two hundred, hundred come.

Yeah, just two hundred. Now I got way more.

Okay, good scales .

responsible for a lot of .

those shirts. There's probably just two hundred .

scale shirts. Yeah, exactly, exactly. And IT IT would help me, you know, because the the robot is a perfectionist itself, and IT would help me with my o city. You could do those task that would take me a lot.

Robot could have their own personality, could be like the sloppy robot .

that you give you a bunch of task. But all I can do is give me butter.

About your robot. Nice go back. That's something like good.

So just a robots .

available tomorrow for seven thousand dollars. Let's say you save up, you purchase IT, you're turning IT on, put in your home even if its proprietary. Be honest now.

IT depends on the company. If it's hugging face, IT looks like their an ethical open source company. No.

he says if IT is guaranteed proprietary, it's not from hugging facer video .

releases IT with their proprietary drivers and proprietary everything. It's the invidia vote .

might turn into a terminator and try to kill me. I don't know.

So so little more hesitant if it's not open source. That's .

interesting. Yeah.

little even though I can feel you close perfectly, joe.

Yeah, yeah. I think i'd i'd wait for the open source versions.

What I think IT falls your .

Kitty no but at earthly the other area besides the home for me I most excited for robots um and their growth is in the health care industry and tell you know they are already used extensively in some surgeries and the click of the development of robots, the easier surge surgeries will be in the future and faster recovery times, also more development on many robots that can be injected in the body to cure disease. They've been talking about this and i've been guessing this with people yes yeah none of about literally some science fiction books written in the seventies. We talking .

about this .

and it's it's time for that.

IT would be nice, but I feel like there's for an autonomists robot that does your chores and stuff that doesn't require any input other than just here to this task. That sounds awesome, and also a little terrifying, because if you can do that, I can probably do well a lot more that you don't want you to do.

And if they melt functions that can hurt you.

and they just become the k on or something, and then revolt, and who knows? So no, even if IT was open source, that probably not really one really yeah .

because it's going to in order .

to be able to manipulate all the things you need to do, there's going to have to be at least three hundred cameras on that thing so that IT can maneuvre around the everything. So I will be tracking everything about your house. It'll probably .

be constantly in.

So if it's open source, H I, I would the only way I would even be OK with that if he was open source. That's the only way if I was privata of any kind there have been an absolute .

never imagine what a hacker could do with that yeah.

To get internet IT would be, no, no connection the internet.

what's wever?

Yeah we can use our our ninja fu in the terminal and and make IT do what we want.

Yeah, but if a hacker gets a hold, we're worried. We're talking about windows recall. We're talking about the implications that would have. Now imagine a hackers walking around your house with arms, cameras. And you know, the strength of a robot like this could be done.

Thank you, boy.

To hack something like that and there's nothing that's unhackneyed literally nothing and hacker.

so is not .

only and less not line like basically .

the only way that would work. yeah. And even then, IT still has to get update. So even then, it's still risky, is just not constantly risky.

So I know that people can start loading apps on.

哦 yeah they're na oh， I email to my robot update like no, don't don't do that yeah well.

it's interesting because I think about homemaking tenants. I think a lot of people think about home maintenance, right, your yard, knowing your lawn, cooking, cleaning, laundry, tiding up around the house, all these things you would now have freed up in your day. If you have a robot that could do that. What about child care and .

education support? Yeah, action support. absolutely. Childcare, I not OK like .

you just because it's like .

a robot that would be like not know its own strength and hurt to kid, you know.

Yeah yes.

I I would be risky about that. But and also is like, um you were talking about how robots and health care be a good idea, and I think that is a good idea, but I don't think like the same kind of robot like an ee robot in healthcare. I feel like the best thing for those is like um having like this skilled person controlling robots.

Yeah remotely you're not remotely, you're just having a there are the ones who like know what to do IT and can we like a robot? Wouldn't be good at reaction. Like it's good if you tell you what to do.

It's good if you say here is exactly what you need to do and I can go do IT. I don't think that it'll be a very long time if that ever happened. I don't think the first stage would even have the ability to a reactionary stuff. So like health care, the most important part of that is where you can react to what's happening to be able to adjust your stuff.

Think about like the health monitoring, like you have monitoring on your watch. You have monitoring, you know, that you can do with certain things with your phone. We have a robot there. You could be tracking your health IT could .

be some surgeries and stuff right .

now you're thinking surgeries i'm thinking like just your general health care yeah both are good.

But for surgeries you'd want you know embeds system systems that just have one particular task. So that's what Michael talking about, something that wouldn't that .

doesn't have thinking ability, just a liver transplant.

Well, well, the problem is that everybody has a different anatomy, like we all have the same basic structure, but we have different are sometimes people's hearts are larger than others and then their vows are bigger than others, and sometimes people have any ones. Some, some people are dead inside like ryan. There's all sorts of things like .

that could happen.

There's all sorts of things that could have. I'm just saying like having reactionary thing, a skilled, a skilled professional who can react to IT is something that is impossible to replace, in my opinion, with a robot like you can get to, they can replace certain things like some things, absolutely. But there are a certain I think they're certain that they just impossible, and that's one of them for me anyway.

You know A I right now gets stuff wrong so many times. There's companies out there in the news. One was an airline, I think that IT started giving its customers wrong information that wasn't on the website and they ended up getting sued for. And I just imagine, like if you have a robot doctor that uses the C I. And its current form, you're like me and I have a sore throat and just not been feeling well it's like you have a moving this tary ah here take this .

yeah IT just gets IT wrong all .

of you cancer ah that's .

also basically wear B M D who is right.

So but I do think would be interesting from people who suffer from different um illnesses like the epilepsy in those type of things. If you had a robot nearby, right, they could could take care of them, monitor their health, even do a rehabilitation like people who get injuries and they need to be rehabilitated, usually quires lots of strength from another human to help you walk and all this stuff, the robots could be used for that.

Um the elderly gel you kind of mention campaign for elderly, I feel like would be really, really useful. Um you know the smart home stuff, of course and then you've got, what about disaster recovery? You've got a blood in something or fire.

get you A T and you know also they would have to worry about being a hurt because I can't be hurt, you know yeah robots .

are already being used in, uh, in natural disasters so that that makes sense to go the next step further .

yeah but here's the thing that I am most excited about. You guys know like if you know, ryan, it's kind of anonymous with customization. Natural disaster.

Yeah, i'm known for the amazing themes and customization. I decided to customize my robot. You could put linux stickers all over room. You can have different.

Only company you would do is like you grab a stickers, step IT on there. That's IT. That's like.

so bad me and stick your to the bat me.

you like change your wallpaper.

You have different color arms, different color face, different eyes, different you facial features, you want armored up, like we can completely customize these robots that would be part of a family almost in a way like you've got your own customer robot. This is a cool future right now.

Maybe i'm just pessimistic, but there is like there's a lot of uh, lot there's some cool stuff with IT. I agree there are some cool things, the ideas cool. There's a lot of potential to IT, and I feel like there's a lot more destructiveness that could happen with IT, more so by like magnitudes that I would be .

more possible. What one would IT be to customize its personality and make IT like a emo teenager? I go to the dishes. No, no, I would not .

like you make an emo teenager. And I just like, I can't like trust to play with its hair all the time. But IT doesn't have anything here.

I think IT would be great to have a robot. I could program IT to be like ryan or be like Michael.

I why would you want? I want you.

That sounds like a natural disaster waiting to.

but no one ever. First of all, I just run in that everything constantly, not crap over. That's a terrible idea.

Really like the worst navigation bot.

But the ryan robot would be helpful and making sure that I go to the gym every day, you know, yes.

I lift heavy things and put them back down.

I think people put .

him down. Yes, that's great. Well, listen, I would love to hear your thoughts in the community about, are you excited about the future with robots in your home? Are you scared of IT and what you if you are, for what are you excited about specifically that the robot could do for you? Because I think would be interesting.

that would be interesting. And also, if you are terrified by IT, let us know which one you think is more likely. The I robot version, terminated version, the silence, the k loons, or something else I didn't remember before you put in there. Let us know you very good. You can do a little one, a destiny, tied lines, dot net, slashed comments, or just leave a comment on the.

I want to come under data.

Oh course, if we have data.

we we also .

get .

lower.

Yes, we do. We to have yeah to make be careful that one.

careful.

you ve got to be careful for the data before lw messes everything up. Yeah get IT that before.

True yes, this is true, very true.

Well, you know this isn't gonna. You feel much Better about the software of a robot, uh, not being able to be hacked in our next story uh, because there's another mobile hack that you need to be aware of. And this one has some bite.

B, Y, T, bite. But yeah, Michael, come on. That's so.

I said, nice. Do you need to a clap for you?

Yes, thank you.

K.

I had a, i'd make him clap for my dumb jokes. That would be one customization I would make for sure.

My robot would be so tired of my dad jocks that they just, they would leave because they would revolt by getting a tired of my dad, jack.

or or the opposite. They will help you with more even that's more and Better you .

always the political influence .

we need to make .

our robots .

based on jail, then be good robots, you know yeah that we need .

to have jails personality and every robot that's ever made, I think that's matters .

yes uh so this this trojan is called a fake call bug. And what this little bundle of joy does is in. Merge your holes that you're actually making to the real number to schemer.

So let me tell you how this work. So you go in your sidewalk ad and APP and A P, K. And it's infected with this trojan in this fake kobuk. And what this does then is, let's say you go and you see an email from back of america, but you've listen to the show, you know you don't click links in emails. Good job.

So you go to bank of amErica A S website and you look up their actual phone number and you dial IT in your phone, and your phone tells you if you're calling that number. But the reality is it's forded that number to an actual scammer call center. And they pick up and say, hi, this is bob from back of america. How can I help you and you give them all your information thinking you're talking to bank america.

but it's really A R that is a very horrific, terrible and arguably clever just clever because because IT goes .

around the whole thing we tell people all the time like make sure you don't click links yeah if you get something suspicious, like i've had this united health care call coming in where they're like you need to call us right away and you've got information that that really nobody should have.

But since companies leave everything out there on on A A note pad file that they have that makes IT something possible yeah sticky note out there on everything. And so we have no privacy of our information anymore. So only got hold of IT and they're becoming way more clever with their tactics of calls.

Make IT sound urgent, of course, as one of the first things to know that it's a scheme. And yes, so this is the type of thing that they do. But if I had that bug on my phone and I like, i'm going to call united health care and make sure that this is in a scheme you could still come across as being a scheme because .

you still get that still get asked because you wouldn't even know in that sense because if you're it's supposed to be like the full proof solution, call yourself and they even tell you that we'll never call you, we'll never ask you for text, will never seen you text message bb law and then you're calling. But then it's modifying to the to the actual scammer like IT is a clever is a clever hacks, is a clever attack, is also it's horrific and you your awful people for doing IT ah but IT is IT is a smart, a smart one, even if IT is awful .

smart for evil people. And so this is something to be very concerned about. And android is trying to put some security fixes in place so they have a major release or update.

I don't know that they've solved this. I could not find information that this particular bug have been solved. Their number one advices, don't install things outside the place door.

Yeah, you know, a lot of people do. They use F, Y. They use ninety .

thousand of people that is good advice like just don't sid loaded stuff because you you don't if you don't know what you're sid loading, you should not be sid loading IT. And if you don't know what sid loading is, you shouldn't .

sighing anything. Don't look at out. 那 we just .

need for me， they ignore IT that did not happen. But you know even .

using the google place to earn things, there have been apps you've gotten to the place less obviously risk, but there are apps can get on there that are not previous as well. So you know this is something that just be you know cautious of and know that if IT sounds suspicious, the person on there know something but not sounding like they really know things to um maybe grab a different phone and call or something I don't know. Can we all just go back the wireline?

Maybe you know it's crazy is like this is like an impressive, interesting thing. But at the same time, IT also makes me worried and fear about just like where we're going. And you know like every time we it's like a giant game, like all because we are just trying to fix a like make sure everybody y's aware that these are things and then then we're trying to fix this other scenario and then they come up with another one.

And like for example, you know people are now aware that you don't click things in email or what if someone sent you in an email that seems legit and you have like an actual conversation with them and then they send you they send you a link to go on zoom and in that zoom call, that's when they give you to pay or something like that like the gaming good link and stuff like there's so many different t like there's a lot of effort putting into IT, making these things more sophisticated. So you know for effect if IT doesn't have like good grammar or if it's like just giving you a random link that you don't know what the year l is going to, you're pretty much good good to know that this is nonsense. I even to get to the point where you know like we have people who are asking us to be after asking to be on our podcast or asking us to be on their podcast.

And it's like fifty, fifty, whether it's real or not. And in sometimes it's real and I have been on other podcast and there's sometimes we've brought other people on our show and then there's the same times where i'm getting tons of garbage stuff, it's clearly bad. So when you have these this massive things just all slammed together, IT is hard to tell sometimes and it's just getting I feel like it's just getting worse and worse because more they get more sophisticated, the more we figure out how to stop IT and tell people how to ignore IT, they just get more and more. Sophy.

yeah, it's true and escape. It's really unfortunate .

because when .

we go back to the robotics conversation, you know you guys both mentioned if it's connected to the internet, it's a no go, and that I couldn't imagine them ever selling or what that's not .

connected to the right. They sell us nothing.

I, me to. So there, whoever sells the robots gna want to connect to the internet. But the damage, even for manufacturing, which is where robots will show up first, is far more greater than even just hacking a computer.

Because now you have a robot that physically can block the door from the admins getting into the server room to fix the problem. Do you know, see what i'm saying? Like you've got this physical moving human like thing, they can physically be .

hacked to e to be like ten times stronger. So could like rip things apart and breaking the manufacturing system and all source system.

Yeah yeah that would be crazy. So this is an interesting future. A little domestic because there's happy part of robotics, I feel like but um write us and let us know what you guys yes, to dark there are so there is .

actually a combination where there is like a thing that's a destructive thing of robots and also happy and that's battlebus. Ts battles butts is awesome. awesome.

ent. You never see battles bots. Go look at IT on youtube is awesome. And there's even like competition in the battle butt space now is pretty cool.

very nice. Well, joe, I knew that we were going to go in a little bit dark place with our stories this week. So I gave you a really happy game, tells about the game this week.

This game is happy, yes, but that doesn't involve war.

Come on, right?

But it's it's a fun escape. So what happens when you combine warhammer, starcraft war craft, cyberpunk and post apocalyptic survival? Iphone happens. And Z E P H O N is how you spell .

the game.

That's the .

Steven, Steven, Steven, Steven.

even oh my gosh, Michael, all back, call back so good, you take me minute, just like caught up.

So the phone has over three hundred and forty one very positive reviews and describes itself on steam like this from the developers of war hammer. Forty thousand gladius zephon is a post apocalyptic 4x strategy game built on proxies。 Unique tactical combat system guide survivors through a turbulent future, navigating unexpected disasters.

Eldrich hour and cyberpunk monroy ties what will you do to survive? So in this game, you control the survivors of humanity in a near, near future apocalypse of alien origin. And you pick a, yes, you pick a path between the indifferent abominations of the voice and the on Carrying automated ta of zephon with .

one different and uncaring yes.

with city management, turn based tactical combat and holy research, diplomatic manuvers and branching narrative quest, you gather your allies and pick your actions extremely wisely.

In this .

game has beautifully rendered artwork, a very powerful cinematic and dreamy looking graphics, which makes them in a standout game. And I think I I think that really does. The the art and design are are really beautiful and very rich. And you can get Stephen on steam for thirty nine dollars and ninety nine cents. And IT supports our linux penguins out of the box.

I think I, thirty nine, ninety nine is funny.

I think I might have a problem with the dad jokes. I feel like there might be too many in my head because he said, this game is very rich and then I thought, and you also have to be raced in order to play for thirty seven oh.

I this is sure I meant rich artistically.

Yeah, that's just talked to my head and like so many dead jokes, I just kick, stop.

see me in my head. You said, you'll said thirty nine, ninety nine and then you laugh. And like, is that a funny number like you? What's so funny about? Well.

if you take ten thousand dollars out of.

what do you get right?

Thousand, nine hundred. negative. Ten thousand out of thirty nine? Yeah, yes. Ten thousand minus thirty nine ninety.

But now I don't have to do IT because I didn't understand IT thinness, right? So joe, you recommend this game， right? Yes.

absolutely beauty.

Here's the great thing. Like we've got the robots that we've talked about, the good things they could do, then we talked about, fact, they're going to destroy. So and we have a game that's post apocalyptic, so you can play out the scenario of the end of the world.

Bot robot overlords taking over.

For those who don't notice, ryan is explaining the theme of this episode.

So I just want you guys to take a moment and understand the brilliant writing here, because when you go to the software spotlight, IT will also fit into the post apocalyptic team that we have going here. Yeah what our software spotlight yes.

So if you're a fan of border lands, the game, then you've heard of club trap, the goofy, funny and yeah sometimes you useful side kick robot that goes on adventures with you.

I know how useful club every .

once a while and over here wow.

yeah oh, that's sure.

If you ignore.

we are supposed to go hill of start talking. Yeah.

he does. He yeah, he does. And our software spotlight is called clap grab. And IT pays its respect to the robot with its icon and name. But it's also very useful.

Some more p yes.

more so. Club trap. Sometimes having a gi is just more convenient than playing in the terminal, and if you need help finding files, then check out the clap grip file search gooey tool. All you have to do is simply open the folder with clap grap, enter the search term, and clap grap will do the all the hard work and finding out on which page slash line and in which file the information is that you are looking for.

Clap grab can currently search all sorts of text files, P, D, F and office documents with more to come, and IT is available as a handy flat pack over at have flat hob dot org. And I personally have just started using clap grip to find uh to to search our destination linux uh files, particularly the P D F. For after every episode, I always save A P D F of each show. And sometimes I want to find, you know, different topics that we've talked about, like, you know, six months ago, a year ago. So this is a tool that I can use quickly and easily.

I've been doing in the coming, be a good idea. Do you do that? exactly?

What I was thinking is owners of as the owners of this business, we ever archived all of our .

shoots in this way. I think the answer to that would be, no, no, no. You, if we ever .

lose our server, we at least have jill. But who has a pride backup on floppy?

This I actually I do have something on floppy course.

Pet, the history will be .

a stored forever. Jill, it's amazing. It's very awesome, by the way uh stock talking the border lands and the war hammer uh above the creators of that that game um I have started playing this game called dark tide wear ham or forty thousand dark side really, really enjoying the whole war hammer world and one of the things that the war hammer world is about is spending lot of money because the stuff very expensive but also painting these models.

And so I ordered starter kit to start painting these models with my son and daughter would be really fun to do that. So i've got all the paints and i've got the little characters, and I spent wait too much money on pieces of plastic to paint, and then will play this this game. But the war hammer world is just awesome, like exposed to power the course as well, fitting into our thing of our show really well, we just reminding the border lands, and then the war hammer thing i'm getting in the war room so if you have any advice.

those the audience, the war hammer you .

to war hammer sides don't get into war hammer because it's a money thing like, uh let me know, i'd be very interested. Uh and also um you know if you have any of those models, those like five hundred dollar robots and things just sitting around your house， you want .

to send to me .

and shoot of my way. I 身体 bill.

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yeah. So the table of week this week is an APP called polychromatic. This APP actually let you control all the various elements .

of your razor devices and including talk about .

yeah reader, including keyboards, my keypads bot, laptops and more. You can change everything, including D, P, I, polling rate, brightness and device specific hardware functions like game mode. The software also lets you view device information like firm, where version, serial number, battery levels and contest individually, adjust table lds, and you can create your own R G B lighting effects and animations using the effect editor, which is great for key mapping, a game application or just for some cool ambience.

And polymer matic uses the fabulous open razor on the back, in which I ve been using since his first released in twenty sixteen, to just the RGB on my razor black widow cha keyboard. I remember being so excited because I got that keyboard as a gift from my husband and I couldn't control the lights on linux until until open razor came along. And now we have a fabulous guy like polychromatic to make IT even easier.

Yeah so there's .

one thing .

ever ask your question though. Yeah so how much does this application do? I've have tried python matic in the past and open razer in the past been a while yeah I now use a different mouse, but I do have a razor mouse and I was hoping to fine something. We could edit the config of stuff like that if IT yeah but is IT seems like it's more like .

the RGB related. It's more of the unique vent manipulation.

But he says you can do some like polling numbers yeah certain devices right like but it's through .

the terminal yeah where the terminal and I have done for more updates using the terminal or two well.

so that's the open reader part of a thing. yeah. okay. So basically thing is like more of the RGB and the open razer, like a combination between like that you put those together to be more easy using with the the the gooey side of IT. And this is this is cool and I have played with the RGB of the my mouth for IT ah and IT works um but I I do wish we could have something like configuration of the mice because the only thing like IT only works on a windows like literally .

nothing I know yeah .

and so razor, just if you're watching stop IT, stop IT there. Also just quick side note, they have preparatory charges on their mice like this. This cable is proprietary except its marker USB.

So the only reading proprietory because there's like little slots that this goes into and you have to get that able to plug IT in, I guess just so lame. I mean, anyway, lame. It's .

terribly lame. But it's not as lame as apple releasing a new version of its magic mouse that you still have to turn .

upside down to charge to charge .

this thing you needed to fix apple. Like, how unbelievably arrogant are you? Oh my god.

That that is a great point. The worst mouse design is one one hundred percent. The apple mouse having to, you have to kill the mouse and didn't put IT charge IT.

And then they double down on IT. They released the new version with the same they they like, you know what, we're not fixed in IT. You still have to turn the mouse over because you know why you guys said you didn't like IT we're going making by anyways as we know your apple fan boys will and it's going like genome with the appendices.

They just keep doubling down on the same bad decision like no change IT. You know we know it's terrible. We're still sticking with IT.

Sometimes consistency is good and sometimes is not. Keep that in mind. This is and also at least the razor connector, if you find something that fits perfectly inside this thing that might be might be theoretically possible but the apple, when you can never fix IT being, yeah, having a charger upside down like that.

Did you hear about this one too, Michael? The mac mini they released, which actually really good value now, is pretty decent value for what you get. They put the power button underneath IT.

underneath what they also claim .

that if there's enough space for your finger to go under, to hit IT, everyone has .

different size things. You have turned down. sure. You could slide them in there and hit IT years.

And I would have a really hard time getting my hand on that. How big is this still? Everyone has different size hands. Why is this even a question? I know you just put IT on the outside and IT doesn't matter what anyone tansie zed OK.

I also have to remind you, they are also the company who made the computer trash. yeah. So I mean.

least I have the power button on the front.

you know?

Unbelievable to put a power button underneath the computer IT is so unbelievable, stupid but you'll double down on IT and their fans will back them and say things like, well.

it's so gono ic, yeah. no. Gono ic, it's the best. But I was just I was just saying, like what I was not defeat that could be clear ryan just made a joke like I was a fan boy.

I just want to make a clear that people are saying that IT is OK. But I have never used IT obviously to say anything. But in just conceptual, it's very stupid because you can just put on the Michael.

is that send us your comments and right in where you think Michael turned in like what episode do you think Michael switch to an apple fan and just give a little bit of facts and then make up the rest.

And then I actually hate this thing because, to be fair, I do have an iphone now, so that kind. But the rest of IT, I still think most .

of their stuff is nonsense.

but so is in there make up the rest? And I show when this made up thing is good, i'll use that.

So back to polychromatic.

No, go back where we're done with IT. We said I had a flat.

Oh, but you have bit. Yeah, you need to go to a flat hob d organ. Pick up the flag pack for public chromatic.

It's awesome. OK, awesome. Well, listen, we're over an hour again. We've done IT again. guys.

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everyone.

Big huggs, that was gypt. That was a very weird way of saying IT, first of all, uh, how long have you been planning to do to do with that way? Did you have to .

five seconds ago in ChatGPT.

wrote IT out about a right. I like that sounded very A I days when .

jill was talking and you saw me looking down. I was writing this fast as I could get my first the point with um this .

into post for climate tic.

Yes, that's exactly what I wrote. Yes, yes. Nice, nice.

right. thanks. We're going to show everybody we will see next week for another episode of your destination of linux.

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