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So tek tober was a pretty good month of product releases. We've got some pretty exciting stuff to talk about today. So yeah we ve got um instead three sixty came out s pro two action camera there were to um kind of unexpected but exciting watches that came out as well. And yeah, we have a little bit of virtual cycling stuff to talk about is there too.

And d IT was a off a bit slow, but the end of IT was all and right. We also things we won't get into today, uh today ah for the future, like talk with the orring four on the road and maybe even dejas uh air three esteros ast as well, which has some kind of increased support stuff there are too. So all things for a future episode, but we've got a lot to a lot to take into today.

Yeah um so first off, in terms uh, for those of you that are returning, welcome back and for those of you first tuning in, welcome to the fit file podcast. So uh, you can actually listen to this podcast on apple podcast or spotify. And then I think probably the best experience is gonna on youtube, where you can either switch from an audio source or you can do video as well.

So with video you get to see our pretty little faces, of course. But you know we're going to have to like uh kind of be role in the background as well for some of the stuff that we talk about. And for those of you who are tuning in on youtube right now, you may see that reason a little bit of a different location, different studios set up. So um tell us about that really quick if this .

is if this is a very fresh set up. Um this is I key is just completed uh a few minutes. Uh so as you may i've seen on uh the site of your uh reading d regal instagram r or things like that.

Um I recently moved to iarc a to spain h so in september we we made a big move from uh amram after a five six years, a six years. So in amsterdam I was paris before that. And uh now we are in the land of lots lots of sun though today is absolutely dumping out um but Normally IT is Sunny um and and pretty nice.

I've been able to swim, bike, run um outside pretty much every day though still get like a fair number of his wife and train road another platform uh workout. Just kind of it's one of those things that you think that you'd always ride outside when you have beautiful weather or like stuff. But there's just like the logistical practicality sometimes of late night riding nor you know in between like after picking application from school and stuff like that. Like I just one of those injured trainers are still really fit into the overall weekly diet quite well now.

So um I mean, you're around in terms of weather. I mean, you could probably write you around just fine right right there.

yeah. Yes, you can write you around just fine and I even just in you know like short sleeve stuff just fine depending on how how you like your ear weather warmth um but i've been here in december in janee ary and in short leaves in certain ly there can be there can occasion be. So last december, there was snow here, which was an exceptionally relevant.

And there is always snow used. Top of the out in service, which go up to, I think at the top one is like fifteen hundred, eight hundred years. So like five, six thousand feet, roughly.

So you can definitely smoke. There are no skin unless you know drag yourself up the top and and skip down again. But uh, certainly you can find snow if you needed up there, or find cold weather conditions if you need IT in the winter.

something. My only question is how much do they have there?

You know, there can be, uh, I can be brisk.

No, I can.

But not. It's unsurprising as smoothly out in the water like cycling around. There's many days that the wind forecasts like fifty, sixty close on our winds. Oh my god, where we are IT hasn't like bounces over the the mountain area where we live. And so um there are other sides of the the island where you feel more um but we we've been surprised even the days like this that can be mitral time to get writing and don't even realize at twenty just because the way the mountains in the island kind of bounces the wind around. Um so it's IT has now anywhere, neither like the netherlands in terms away.

it's been a pretty good overall. okay. Yeah because basically I visited you numerous times in the netherlands, and after every single byrde, I come back and tell you in the girl or I ask you in the girl, like how do you live here?

Like, I love, I love the netherlands in terms of the country, the culture, the people uh, the strowed waffles but the wind, oh my god, the wind like every single time I come back on, like how do you live here? Like your um I think the term is dutch mountains, right? Ah that is insane.

It's it's a headwind in every single direction. So anyway I am excited to come busy you in my ora and hopefully there will not be any win there. But uh yeah I think it's gonna definitely provide you with a lot more opportunity, I think to you know test um a lot more things um you around yeah there for sure totally .

especially without traveling. That's probably the biggest benefit. I would say lot of benefit like my family a standpoint. But in terms of travel in work, um I can have done numerous times. For example, the world to two um I when I put to the mountains, you know for a however one was fifty care so h hi I just stood that basically up by back back door right like it's straight out I go which is great. Open water swims and be able to get those in any day once two minutes away to jump in the water um by bike.

So it's it's been really nice for that kind of stuff just to be a quick me validate things and not have plan a trip to go to mountain or to to stumble um water I can see no that just would say all the water symbol oil you around but um if you want to do a longer test and stuff like that, it's been been pretty handy yes so yeah definitely forward to to to you to drop down here um but we first have the open house so which is an over twenty third. I think as of this morning we have like three spots left. I still some left that's IT um but um that is where the D R K is right now back and after them um i've been like king things back each time I go back.

Um and so this is what kind of work like the entirety of the D R. Cave is in this three little bins behind me, if you will. And but otherwise the end of the year will basically packed that whole thing up and a move IT down to mia a summer once you finalize a new location down here, a new a new k of a new office of sorts. Finding the right spot is a bit tRicky, but we're soly making progress on that.

So I think you'll have certainly a lot more opportunities for like testing and reviewing stuff like all you're around and america. So I guess like are you how are you going to be like are you going to be feeling these you can't feel these with two boffo anymore. Like.

no, I cannot unfortunately IT and empanadas of heavy to Carry long term. Instead, i've been mostly Carrying, but I know they're really good. I did you some of them on on the big hike, but i've been mostly using a precision fuel and hydration, the sponsor today's episode.

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adventures here. Thanks, guys. Alright yeah. So speaking of testing, let's get into the products, I think so um just the first up, uh, I think let's go talk about that instead.

Three sixty S I I keep on like getting the the order around here. So yeah it's like the s pro two, not the s two pro, but the s pro two uh, action camera. So in terms of the actual upgrades from the original s pro, uh, if you look at the list, it's modest, but they're very, very welcome you know, upgrades as well.

So from the original, they upgraded from A K twenty four to eight k thirty. There's also a new like mike wind guard on the front. Um there's like a replacement lens cap. So I mean, yeah in terms of like you know from the original to this one, not necessarily like a gigantic list, but that really means that original was a very, very capable camera itself parity. But these are all pretty welcome updates. So but in terms of like being a pro action camera, I would have to say that yeah I mean, I think he really has a lot of like really good capabilities for um I think you know more content creators that want really high quality footage. I like all around and not just the actual footage itself, but like you know audio and stuff like to.

totally. I think one of the biggest upgrades for sports people like us is the expanded field of view on the s pro two compared pro. So I always found that the pro one a great camera, but IT was a very limited field of view.

So especially for like mountain bike shot, three have chest harness, or even like self fie style, IT was always like just a little IT too tight. I didn't really convey that that experiences very well. Th versus s pro two is now technically one degree wider than the go pro hero thirteen black.

I think it's one fifty seven years ago per one six. Do we feel of you in a diagnostic tion? But it's not wider verdict. And I will say it's interesting on inside three sixty stuff. So into three sixty, uh, this past was at the April, so got themselves on a whole lot of hot water, right uh, a big mess like a solid own goal and probably the own goal that was boiling for a long, long time.

And then finally the in the blue up on um but basically the in three sixty works a lot of IT works with as as a word term here, but they work with um a lot of influence in craters. Uh fifteen hundred to be precise is the number that um Peter pixel um got from one of the VP before the VP realized that that was the mistake. They talked to the news the news report of the right.

So fifteen hundred people, chunk as paid chong, not majority are paid in song capacity. But I was back last more April, what happened was they had basically demanded um people say that some of the videos were not sponsored, some of the U S craters bignon U S craters um like iphone to and things like that um in in the space that they were told to not disclose that uh some of the stuff sponsored and those creators finally pushed back. I say finally because I think a lot of other craters we've seen over the years haven't push back on that and rest like sure all not declared its sponsor.

I think that that definitely the case on a lot of action cameras from both in to three sixty years old D I. But this whole thing blow up in the in the youtube camera reviewer world backhouse march, April and a lot of big name people said on that they're not in review into three sixty cameras anymore ah and so I was interesting because I mentioned that in the context of know some of the the details of the new stuff here and that i've been lucky that they have never approached me in that capacity. They just keep on sending cameras hoping i'll review IT right? And I always tip cut on buying the cameras anyways like this time around, they sent three of the s pro two cameras.

Some would do like a shipping accident of sorts. But I was like, I have pro ma ladies right now, but I always bought them myself. And actually four cameras. I also bought one as well.

So I have IT in my like permanent long term immature that know those will should be longer going back um but I will say I was impressed with how openly were um on some of the stuff to like they talk about their diagonal um being one degree wider than go pros but the very next very next sentence that conference call was them saying but to be clear, go pro is taller are then we are right like every single time they talked about stuff, they were pretty honest in in in a way that I don't typically hear from brains. Right typically at all about we are the best and we never talk about areas where our competence the best. One is A K thought of that, right? That talks about how A K is there.

Um if you want IT for you twenty four, twenty five and thirty five per second, they straight mitted just related last year with a pro that is not really ideal for action scenarios is really for more like landscapes and slow moving stuff. But once you get action applied to IT, um the album ms behind the scenes aren't going to keep up as well. And keeping that image super crispy, which I appreciate that they were like pretty honest about a lot of those things.

Uh so anyway the point that has been really easy to see some of the comments um within the know you two world of cameras uh talking about slight no in to three sixty shells or D J I shells or whatever the case is back and forth um and I don't doubt that into three sixty totally hosed up last not I don't know they obviously hosed up last spring um and i'm just lucky I think that I haven't had to deal with that. Are they still doing the same thing to people right now? Uh, I don't know. I ve seen some some people talk about, you know me but pressure there and others not I don't know but it's it's interest .

to me yeah I think I mean, I don't know from the marketing and P R side of things with action cameras and general actually I would say party all technology in general, it's kind of tough because you know three sixty verses like go to versus like D G, I.

When you see the product launches like that come out, it's really tough just because you know it's like sometimes you're going to have just a small group of videos and uh you know media that actually uh publish your views at the time of launch and then you can have others that are like, you know, it's like a shot going to blast out there and you know quite Frankly, instead three sixty and pride D J. I I would say more on that shotgun blast approach of just like know just videos everywhere like so many people having. So I don't know it's kind of help from a consumer standpoint when you see like that many people you know have these cameras and talking about them and you kind of don't really know like who's an adapter, who's a sponsor video, who's an actual review.

And there are you know just A A little bit more behind the scenes, behind the curtain sort of thing. It's like there are you know different um relationships that that kind of happened with. So again, summer paid, some are not. And it's it's tough for consumers to kind of uh filter through that uh, you know sort of content.

And you know I think the great thing is I think from the majority actually, I say almost every single company that i've worked with, there's really only been a few that are like, hey, so you know, do you want to do a sponsored video and you know I always say, no, I you know I don't I don't do the sponsored review thing. You know most companies I think under I know that you know we we just not do that kind of content. But yeah, from a review or from a consumer standpoint, IT is tough to a withdrew all of that.

But in terms of like how how to actually trust, like which review or which content is actually speak telling the truth. Um I don't know. Like what's your thoughts on that?

It's very tough. I think it's tough because in a lot of these cases, especially with into three sixteen D J I um they have will often not sponsor the this time around D J I for the action five sponsor straight up a lot of the reviews that you see there. Yes, and they were very clear about that.

Some cases, right? And how do you review new product with sponsor, but a lot tons of to do as they won't found initial review but will sponsor's ll up content on a monthly basis, right? So it'll be A A guy some sort or whatever the cases, right? So it's one of those like, yes, the cradle got the early access the product um without a paid review.

But if you're doing that um with then the assumption that you're going to get more sponsors of money down the road um each month for successive uptake videos as some the some the craters do, then it's like, yeah you didn't pay for the first one but you have got paid for the four months for the video after that um from that company right to make a versus video in a comparison video in a right so um it's tough. I don't have a good way like I know who those people are, their response red, right? But I don't know how a Normal consumer figures that out.

I think data IT is, as always, like the best filter there, right? You know how people show the footage across a wide number scenarios and then look for look reviews that aren't showing both the process consist stuff like meaningful process concern and um that's that's the biggest thing and unforced the action camera space. Certain companies have early tightened down on early access to those units.

And I are in recently like D J, I requires that you sending your review for review before him now which is absolutely crazy um in three sixty didn't ask me to do that at all um like they don't like much different power and that would be a non e starter and no other company asked me for that. So in the case of D J, I obviously i'm not doing early access stuff anymore because i'm not going to send them my review ahead time for approval. I just just a hard no um so yeah ah I don't have a good a good answer that are possible.

I will say that in terms of the camera itself um i'm impresser to this camera I think IT is know like a night time is definitely Better than a go pro no question um in daytime I find the colors Better on the go pro and he heard her team um I find them a little more true um in daytime, then in nighttime ah so I found the cases were in daytime on the into three sixty and D J I action five because they both have the same chips on the covers, but where they were basically kind of making things a little bit like especially around uh like four five o'clock the evening, you like almost three sunset hour, we get a little about yellow. You outside the into three, six and D J were starting to just like make a more blue than I should have been. Um so a little bit playing are looking if you will.

But overall they're very, very close cameras. I will say right now into three sixty though absolutely beats everyone when IT comes to sports data overlay, right the whole ability to connect your garment garment collect account or your coral account even or your apple watch data pulled in and instantly overlaid on your footage and you don't have to do anything that automates sinks just like a thinks to strapper um the government stuff thinks straight to the D J to the into three sixty account. You just tap to tap which day of things you want and you're done like it's absolute and brilliant um and D J I introduce similar to APP, you'd have to mainly pull in those files each one. Right to fit files, which is cool, support fit files we internally pulled in in the case ago pro, they don't support any that accepted building stuff for like GPS m really I think about what about IT?

Yeah, they had actually brought G, P, S. Back with the here or thirteen and they just yeah great. Yeah from a peer like image quality, you know more camera geek standpoint.

It's other no, like all of these cameras are doing a great job. I mean, realistically you can absolutely. I mean, there I think again, there are some clear differences with certain types of footage like low light that those that's pretty clear across the board.

Where is three sixty in J J. I are doing a Better job there. But you know when you're talking about like just general action camera fadge and you know whether it's like daytime or duser and like that, you you can get great results at all these cameras.

And you know one may be Better than the other. interesting. You talked about more than like the dust footage. I actually I I really like the quality of the instead three sixty eight pro two versus the go pro where I felt the go pro thirteen black was like a little bit of flat, just a little bit of flat for me. But again, everyone has their preference to regards, I don't know for me.

I think a lot of IT for me in deciding between these cameras, I think for most people, IT may come down to more like the more like the ecosystem as well as like the usability of these cameras. And that's where i'm actually really impressed with this camera because I think that it's one of the most vertical and has some of the most unique features. And you know one of those is that flip up screen right here.

I don't I don't really use this for like cells. I types stuff. I use IT. You know more for like other types of composition like you know how we the camera like lower and not like that where you can actually see that that's just something that you can do on A D G I or uh, go pro. So yeah for me I I like that more unique non you know camera geek type features are out of this camera more than like anything else. So yeah so yeah .

there's a lot of really cool little little features that are stuck in there. Like if I look at my list of all the twenty something new features on the um a pro two, uh, I think the almost all them are little things that you're like all that super useful, right? It's there's not like huge ticket. Some of there like we have of sixteen case support. So you right um they're all the little useful things across the board. I will say that with the the one thing I really wish I was, I wish they had a front screen, right and I know obviously is a flt up screen, but practically speaking, when i'm on my bike cruising down a hill trying to foot t back screen ups, I can see myself and sure framing is is on IT can be tough right? Um like are so you talking .

about are you talking about in a chest mount sort of thing or no no.

So like pulling out like this, right OK. So if i'm doing something where i'm holding the head of bars and I want to hold that, I get a sell hie, right? So like Bobby, I am away and I designed down the mounts.

I can hold that a go pro. And I can see my, I can see myself self on the front ago, right? Same with the D, J.

I can see myself in the front of D, J. I, with the inside three sixty. I can do that to flip the screen up, which is sort of a pain. Bt, I just wish I love the foot of screen for lot of all the scenarios. The bigger screen I just wish that front facing screen that's on the right now is a status and basically to shows. I wish that was also a screen like I want to be to see like I know it's like a White balls, but it's like I think they're a flip between is awesome. But there's just a lot of series I don't want to deal with that from me like sports standpoint and trying to get that thing up the same with the gloves right in the winter, trying to get up the gloves can be kind of a pain.

I like to I I I could certainly foresee that. And like the know s pro three or something like that, one of oh no, yeah.

it's not a deal with, more like my request for the future. Like sure, in the future, make a lustration in the front also like it's like the why not both me right right 本人 yeah I know for me um .

yeah there are again yeah you're right。 There are these these nice little usability things that are just so nice on this camera and that kind of you know loops is back to the whole marketing and P R thing and you know how to trust different reviews and stuff that are out there. Like it's tough because I really, really like this camera lot and it's weird that you know when I was actually scripting my review, uh, video, like it's it's almost tough just because I think a lot of these camera companies have uh, almost developed a bad rap. A lot of reviews out there where it's like, again, like consumers can't necessarily don't don't know who to trust and it's stuff where he was something like this again, like I really like, really like this camera lot and I can't wanted to gush over IT quite Frankly. But I know I actually can't do that because then you're gonna get all the comments, you know down you all the comments like, oh, this is a sponsored video, but it's it's actually really tough to um do uh very positive review nowadays where you know like you need to have I mean you certainly need to do a process coins in every single video absolutely because no nothing is perfect out there. But it's tough when you actually really, really like a product like you almost have like hold yourself self back.

Sometimes I am excited to see what I can put three looks like, right? I think that's like the expert two to me is my father. Best camera theyve ever made. And I prefer over the the action five um I think will get really interesting for them as a company.

Well, one it's interesting in my meeting with them, they can said we know our name continues to be a sticky point for new consumers to grand right you I don't think about IT more that inside three sixty has a named that initially implied three sixty cameras but they certainly make three sixty cameras still but ultimately you know we've seen the three sixty camera movement kind of set out a bit right um in terms of most people using them data IT just for all of the reasons we go to in different um but as we look at companies like D J I getting more the product, stuck in customs lately um and due to all sorts of things, you wonder like a year from now, will into three sixty be in a Better position um if D J I can't get products into the U S right which is again a whole discussion thing for another time of various government bans going out and stuff like that which is not at all limited to draw is is limited to anything with the blue basic chips side inside of IT. Um so I will be you should see if if instance three sixty can find a way to increase their market footprint in the U. S.

Over the next for a while that will be an interesting thing to to do. But I think they've ve been an excEllent camera. It's one that I I grab from time to time and I have like all last spring and winter, I use the s pro one for tunes of stuff um especially with those over ways just to do that like instagram stories to Better show pace and speed and all that is is kind of fun.

Now even though we don't do sponsored reviews and stuff like that. So we we do do sponsors from time to time, but there is going to be completely unrelated to the actual product that we're reviewing. So you know for incidents, you know precision fuel on hydration like theyve been a long time awesome sponsor of this broadcast, indeed.

In fact, we actually have mr. Is an open spotted for response ship here on the podcast right now. So if you're a company out there now when that would review because we're not we're not, ross, the streams. But if you're a company out there that are is interest getting your message out to a lot of people in the sports tech community about the fit community and even as well the industry at large as a lot of people that we hear from that was into this podcast in the sport technology industry can send us a message and we can get in touch. You can go to dc amErica consate contact the contact form right there and just simply go had entered details and I will sort you out from there.

Now I think there's so many. I I think there's a lot of complimentary things like you like, uh, coffee companies because no drink a lot of coffee. Uh there hero, yeah hero, come on like talk.

talk to us.

We eat the heck out of heroes like these. These are like that's like, you know, i'm starting precision but like, that's the complete trial that we on our on our rides .

and uns first and hero the other right just back and force anyways.

let's move on to some watches now. So the first step, talk about the polar vantage m three. So this basically, I mean, no T L D R. This basically took everything from their vantage v three as well as a grit x 2 pro and put IT into a smaller and I think most importantly cheaper package at uh three ninety nine I think is the three that's correct？ yes.

So uh you know I think that when the vantage v three and the great x 2 pro came out super exciting for polar just because they know went with an amel uh premium watched at that point。 And you again transitioning from M I P to Emily is is the theme of the industry. And that's going to be the other watch that we're ongoing to talk about in this video or this podcast as well.

But and those were the visi in the great two pro, pretty decent watches. But the Price point just wasn't right on both of those. Yeah but this this hit the Price point really, really well. Yeah so um I think that was I think that was the highlight of this watch for sure.

Yeah, it's a it's a cool approach, right? I think we've long talk about the idea of being effectively hardware agnostic with your software and offering different hardware at different Price points. And while you uni, I think both are on the same boat that the pricing of some of the other watches that they released over the last twelve months have been chAllenging. Um I think the most great way say they were not. So P S. So those those watches though, the idea that take that exact same software and bring you down into the uh vantage m three at a reasonable Price point um is super appealing, right? And I think if they can tune their places for their higher and watches um in terms of those watches having higher materials accepted to be more realistic um then they could be on on to something there.

I that think that strategy in general makes a tony sense that like if imagine say a government world right or garments you know form or uh two sixty five is plastic and the form or nine sixty five, there's middle or wherever the cases right and but they have exact same features um and you is paying for the materials, which is kind of again, what corals is going towards as well if a hok about little bit later on in terms of really consolidate in their software stacks. Uh across the board, we see apple doing the same thing with I watch O S how in effectives the same feature set. Samsung to a lesser degree, they still like separate out something like navigation stuff like that unnecessarily.

Um but that idea just be saying, you know what you're buying into our platform as a as a company and then you choose how much you want to spend on the hardware. The hardware can be displayed that can be materials like mash a grass for tota ian, round the edges or IT could be bigger battery or more button or whatever. The maybe a Better bans acta um to me that that super peeling and hopefully will let these companies develop software are faster.

And I think that's where we get into a little about the chAllenge with polar is that if we count a step back and go, okay, cool, you did always good stuff. If we kind of look at what y've added software wise over the last twelve months and really sense beginning of what t say, jAnnie this year been nothing right. I mean, I mean, those a few little things here that they would probably argue with that.

But for the average person looking at that list, there was just a couple little features, right? And uh, that's not keeping up with um what corals is doing. That's not keeping up with what is doing, especially include all to s upset they are creating and it's of course certain in not keeping up with what garner is doing that space.

So it's tough. It's like, yes, I think polar is sticking landing on some of these things. But as a set review, someone at the executive level needs to give that those teams a bottom. More developers in developer resources on the software side. They need to have this way more features coming out.

That was one of the announcement that came along side the vantage m three was that they going to have the three point o four coming out uh in early twenty twenty five next year. And um I was like, oh cool and then you know they listed out the um features that we're going to be released, unlike that's of that kind of a shorter list of things and you know something like, uh, find my phone.

I was that that seems like a relatively simple feature to me. I I don't understand don't understand you know, the interpretation of that how that they talk back and work. But yeah, I I certainly agree that the software development, uh, speed on the polar side of things really needs to ramp up quite a bit.

And you again, like I certainly appreciate the fact that they do have of a parallel with the software with all these three watches, a super table point. And again, you know, I think that this is really gonna great value considering that has all the sofa features of the flax are watch just you know in a smaller design like this. So um so yeah ah I think good value for what you're getting there.

Performance wise, it's like it's not necessarily amazing you know in that respect. But um I think you know delivers I think that delivers good enough performance for sure. yeah.

And you again, like I think the the ecosystem part of IT is something that a lot of people really appreciate as well as like a lot of the feedback that you're getting from the polar side of things. I think there are health and sports feedback is a is is definitely way up there. You know in terms of the breast.

the industry toit, yeah I think they are they're on the right path. I just wanted see them run that past faster. It's probably that the the simple thing .

there yeah so yeah talking about running and pads and speed and all that kind of stuff less about the new corals pace pro. So you know the highlight um of this watch is that this is courses first emile watch. So they have been die hard memory pixel or transport active for the longest time.

And the reason for that is that basic kind of audience that they have been trying to attract, you know, this entire time, which is that, you know, endurance athlete that needs that ultra long battle life, and you know, theyve held that stands for a long time. And now they finally transition to Emily, but I think I didn't away where you know again, this watch is getting uh really decent Better life um you across the board. And so their marketing their marketing for this was so uh their fastest corus watch ever.

And I I don't know I I not thought of that is I thought of that is like a really interesting approach to things. I I mean, you know for a company like that that was die hard M I P to be switching to Emily, I don't know this. Like what what approach do you take, right? Like you know, it's like is that it's our brightest watch yet. Is that our fastest watch yet? Like I guess, IT seems a little bit strange to me the approach that they are kind of taking with this.

especially since there the fastest one is half the Price of our expense plants, right? So well, so what up on the fastest, right? So we are a chat on the side and I was like, yeah and I don't get the fastest thing. I'm just i'm scrolling through these like comparing somebody with th Epace p ay t hree. And it's like when I recall them is just as fast and both these just fine. And then you like we'll check out the maps and I had thought about on th Epace p ro b ecause a m ath w as s o s teppy t hat I d idn't l ike c urrent m e a nd t old t hat I w ent a nd g rab t he v ertical t o s s o t he h igh w as t hat j ust c ame o ut b ack i n A pril, something like that spring and I would decide side of that and I was like, oh dear, like so .

you're like slide as .

like you play that like a lot of music. The background and ways to yes.

wait for IT wait exactly.

So yeah i'll give them i'll give them credit on IT was definitely fast from moving on the map and I think I used like IT is probably the fastest map mover. Um watch out there today um maybe the apple watch alt will be faster, yes, but that's a different map set, two different things, right? And we want to go down the stuck discuss about maps on the apple ture that that would be like decide barred for for hours or so.

I think is you are good. You is where the fastest ones out there in terms of like the rest of the the features in the watch, it's been pretty sol. Like I really good hard access across the board with exception of cycling outdoors, outdoor cycling with proper after fire.

For me, everything else has been good um GPS has been generally pretty good though I uncovered a thing that basically caused could battery burn craziness which then they had to reduce GPS accuracy in some stuff um and i've seen a couple little corks in the latest firm of the final far more now that they turned off for everyone um some higher in G P S stuff um from accuracy perspective. Um nothing big, just like offset spy like three to five meters right just nothing you're like not quite right around but yeah close enough but that sounds like they're on the road of fixing that very quickly. Um and to get that original accuracy back in, in their work should have been were also tested.

Almost all of our stuff on the original form at only stuff that came out before that was that was offset. But yeah the rest of features are are really sold there. I think great to watch. The pricing is interesting.

The pricing is um we could talk for days about pricing, right? And yeah, I think it's it's fast because one, it's sort of eats up the apex line, right? So from apex GPS point battery, this like very much .

beats the battery. I find a lot of .

the modes depending which most you're talking about, especially like the um non I do frequency, but none do frequency. All systems once um obviously the apex again last a lot longer and smart rush mode. Um then then this would um but like other features that certainly this is way more actor than the apex two or apex two pro us from either G P S or hard way like not even close levels of evacuation Y. This is more accurate than uh the GPS and hour was for me on the vertical to us um which went bad on this watch was the very first corus watch ever that I had functionally usable open water summing GPS tracks um so like to really solid watch um yeah in .

terms of accuracy, I am very pleased with this watch actually pretty much all around so yeah from a GPS standpoint, actually the GPS tracks were like incredibly crispy. Whether they were using just like there all test mode a versus their dual band mode, like I mean I was like astonished to actually how good they were and you know there actually very clear about the fact that um you know they actually the defauts note for the washes, all systems where you know it's like they don't necessarily even put IT in to do a back out of the box.

And I think there's there's a lot of general settings on this where you know other the box they are looking for, I think the best baLance of accuracy versus bad life on on this. So you're going to see stuff like uh the all systems mode versus do band uh the every ten minute heart rate daily recording versus like a real time. There's a lot of things there and uh, they're even clear on like even the media calls that they they actually recommend using the all systems for most scenarios, like if you live in a big city or something like that, that's where go head and put IT into that dull band mode at that point.

But for everyone else you know that all systems modes are gonna beat totally fine on stuff like that and then yeah for hard rate accra y on my uh from my standpoint, two one enough. I actually got pretty okay, actually pretty decent results for for road and gravel biking out of this thing. I did have one red wear IT was really weird where the first half of the ride, both watches that I was wearing, uh, were pretty darned good and then the second half, both of them just like, just kind like, hey, look at that over there and just gonna like when off yeah so so yeah like harder accuracy.

That was actually, I really actually had very few rights and where um I had some complaints out of IT. Did you notice, ed, anything on the elevation side of things though because um I I had like two or three uh really good results and then the rest of them there is a lot of drift out of IT. Did you did you know that when .

I looked one that was pretty close and me pull up my a long red cook, but I thought most were pretty sol. I looked at a number of them but like motivation on this one up of the matlin, uh, so about three thousand feet of climbing back down again, a to we just kind of the ocean, uh, pretty much to spot on there. Yeah, my trail run from two days ago, that was A A cup. Our trail run IT was also good to look at that one as well. I didn't have any any .

problems in elevation. Yeah that's spoon .

as which band are you using stock?

So yeah so anyways, no, I looked over all my data and I was like, uh, two or three of the um of activities were just fined and then the rest of them there was uh a good on a drift and one of them was a thirty percent off.

Like that was I think not talking like a .

few few IT was thirty percent off and uh, i'll note that my base elevation figure in terms of starting off was uh the same as the other. So if that has nothing to do with like the base, a calibration on this, but I saw like a little bit of shakiness and drift. And then so my curiosity point was like what is like where is the biomedical ultimate located on this thing? And it's at the top of the watch. But the interesting part of IT is that the stock ban that they have, that's a form of band. While IT covers the port on IT.

I was to below that port.

It's below the port. So you see how that see how the um .

you had like something get in there.

Yeah so I mean, you know those are reports need to be open, you know and they need to be clear. So that's my theory behind uh, some of my drifting elevation at that point. So I I need to go and again with the nyon band and kind of duce some back to bath comparison's there.

But yeah, I had I had some like interesting wavy results there with the stocks welcome bound. So no is is IT like a problem. I wouldn't necessarily say it's like a big problem just because if you are going with the island ban, which is what I would generally recommend anyways, no IT in theory should not be a problem at that point. So that was all the also with that was like one of my very, very few complaints about this watch. Again, just like the s pro 2， i kind of have a hard time like holding back like I thought this is A I think this is a great.

great little watch. So but three forty nine, right? So they've undercut power. Three ninety nine right and then we've got syn to and the sync races at three forty nine as well.

Um and then they ve got government solving up there at four forty nine for the two sixty five. Um but of course the two sixty five doesn't have maps for the other three watches I just mentioned all have maps. Um so I think the pricing is actually really spot on.

Um where I think they get in trouble there was a few people point out, is the epic deals right that we talked about a mother two ago right when garment comes long and says we're putting the epic at three ninety nine um as they did not ready for amazon's black friday number one sale. Um that's what it's like. Oh huh, do I get this or do I get epics?

So yeah in terms of what you are saying with uh, this compared to I think we should let's talk about like first of all, like the foreigner two sixty five and the polar range m three, I think this is Prices pretty darn competitively uh, the in terms of features and stuff like that. It's interesting because I did have some comments in my video of that were actually kind of critical about the Price.

And for my standpoint, like you know, I I certainly want to uh, I certainly appreciate the perspective. But like I think that this Price is like it's Price pretty down well for what you're getting. I'm not sure if I think that they may be trying to compare the Price, compare two courses, other watches, not necessarily other watches in the market, but more course as watches because and impossibly seem to as well actually.

So yeah you know because because th Epace t hree y ears w as l ike t hE pace tw o, those are like those are phenomenal values for what you're getting there. And then even the uh, apex two, that's a good deal for the material society things because you're getting like safe here and titanium and stuff like that and then you can throw this in the max wear. This is the same Price as the apex two and the same Price is the race as from a super as well.

That's where from a material standpoint, IT gets a little bit skilled. It's like that's where I can certainly understand where you know, like they would maybe expect like a three hundred or three hundred and twenty or our Price point. But the rest of the features that this watch has three hundred and fifty dollars, i'm sorry, in my opinion, I think that's that's bang on. And I think it's a great, great deal at that you know Price point. But yeah then you start to throw in the whole epix original epix g two thing in the max and whole boy that gets that gets extremely tough and maybe we will bring up one other watch in that whole ex g two discussion here in just one second on on the completely other end of the pricing scale but um yeah but yeah uh but yeah that's that's we're like, you know garden there they're obviously milk and that one for all it's worth they're going to they have that that epic gen two stamp in place and they're just gna keep on a poland that lever. Yes.

I know but it's it's such a it's a for them it's I know IT undercuts the phoenix sale, phoenix s sales right?

Obviously um it's certainly ing that but my profit margins standpoints all that saw that really matters the day, right? Like what does that profit merger look like on the epic ten two? Now I would guess that the higher profit margins on the phoenix A A retail Prices than a um epix gen two, three, nine, nine I me we will undoubted see epix 2 again at three ninety nine for given thought three weeks ago。 It's absolutely coming back. I mean, whether that's a garment driven sale or alga ms on driven sale, I don't know um obviously not going to government. Native can be uncle and amazon.

yeah, I know I will use some talk OS are talker bet on that one. So yeah, yes, I just use talk.

But it's still know there is a good reason why somebody would not watch the epic gen to over this wash or the other three watches that we talked about, which could be to simply size and wait, right? Like this is a much smaller watch. Then the epic ten two, because member ex tone two, our audience only came in one size, right? What's till the epic pro that we got to three different size in a different stuff like that.

But if you didn't care about, not care about, but if size wasn't a big factor for you, IT is virtually impossible for any watch to beat epic gen to pricing at three, nine, nine, including garments, own watches, right? Like if you there is a very little reason to get anything else on us, you really want a specific feature of the um either epic pro line or the phoenix eight line at that point in any other competitor out there. And so it'll also be A Y I think we could we could bet on something here, by the way, and I have no commission on what we do.

We think we will see any Chris sales this year for back friday. And here is why I mention this. Corus has long had the policy of being we will not put anything on sale ever um because we value but the usual thing that companies try to do until they realize they can do that long term, right? Why who try that for number years and what who've actually gave up on that as well because you just lose out on so many sales um during that holy period, which is perd that Franklin counts the most. Um so do we think corals to put anything on sale for the back friday time for him? And I this is just like my ran in the day.

Yeah no um I I think I think yes and I think it's going to be there. I think this can be there APEC series specifically probably a two just because again, like I think this ideal, I think, you know, I said in my video, but like I would choose this any day of the week over an apex two like just no no questions to asked like it's just like a completely, uh, I mean, the only reason to get the apex two is gonna.

If you care about the titanium in the air glass, that's IT like the rest experience on this. Watch, hands down. So much Better than that. watch.

Yeah, I get to you, I think, but I think there will be both apex and vertical, right? I think of interesting. I I think they have to I think at the vertical um there's can be too many sale options. Uh, previous gene government watchers as always like that's not I again, no this information there. I just have been following this for a decade plus.

I know how this works and garden will undoubted put more those phoenix seven and probably photo x 7 pro watches。 There is no reason why they want to put phoenix 7 pro n epix pro watches on sale and typical back friday pricing philemon twenty five to thirty percent off those models， right? So now you're talking under a photo x seven pro under cutting of vertex to retail Price, which sure like they just have at that point. Um I would not expect you to see any .

phoenix sales for black. Imagine that at this point. Yeah I mean, that's like again, that's like that's a very, very current watch. And you know from a manufacturing standpoint, that's that's completely brand new production from them in so many ways.

Just the fact that as much as was like A I don't know, you look at the actual features that verse, the finex seven pro, it's like it's a short list. But it's kind of interesting that, that short list did take probably did take a lot of engineering efforts there and a lot of the complete change of production. So so yeah I don't anticipate uh phoenix uh eight sale uh at all but yeah so going back to the whole like you know stamps the two like over and over and over again.

One other interesting released that the the garment actually had this year uh or i'm started in the last couple of weeks was so this is the mark adventure damascus steel edition. So I think we were surprised, I guess, to back up here a little bit. I think IT was what earlier this year that their mark carbon came out.

I think that was yeah and gosh, talk about a gorgeous watch. I mean, just the the actual like construction and like how they actually sprayed the carbon and do IT and stuff like that like absolute from an engineering standpoint. Absolute amazing feet.

sure. But uh what was interesting was that you know the phoenix seven and phoenix 7 pro had been out peral quite some time at that point， and they came out that watch. And then, you know, both of us started looking at the details are like a way to second. This is an epic gen two like IT because I didn't have a flash line that had the gene for hard road answer d like that's an interesting considering IT was a while since the uh pinch phenix 7 pro came out and then uh so they just released this damascus steel mark adventure and again， stunningly gorgeous watch like I mean absolutely amazing. But again, it's actually it's based on the epic n two .

again so that means .

no which means g no flashlight. Um yes so how do know like .

and what was that hold .

on your seats? Thirty one hundred dollars. So um I think there's only one other.

The mark carbon commander is thirty two hundred all or so. It's it's basically one of the most expensive batches at this point. And no, I think I don't know.

So I have any look at all. Does that have the new U I like a phoenix, X, E, phoenix a sort of thing. Or does that .

have I don't know about anyone.

I I .

do not yeah, I don't IT looks to be, you know, I can't really tell from, I can't really tell.

So so here's a Better question. Yeah, a more fun question. yeah. Did you receive an email about this beforehand?

No, did not.

Did you receive an e mail a lot?

Uh, no, I did.

Which tells you garden knows how much we will make fun of this watch. And either of us got emails about this watch .

and just the slide. They just slide under death, the person's, the door, you know, like one of those like little balloon like, so we do IT was like everything else .

i'm coming this one. Or like, can we remove rain does famous somehow? How do we, how do we not tell them about this at all? right? I can am looking at these screen shots here on on their site.

Yeah, I can tell. I can tell from me. No IT looks. No, I don't think so. Looking at the one screen behalf of the sport listing that looks me like the old D I I could be hundred percent wrong here um but i'd have to like find more video somewhere. But I won't thought that E I would show something new and I don't see that new.

I can't really tell. I can't really tell. I don't know. Like I think the big thing regardless of like U I and even quite Frankly, even they like the heart rate and stuff like that.

Like I don't notice the flash light on here and I don't know. Like you know you actually even texted me last night. You're like got the flashlight back and you know it's like that that's like again, like you know from a usability and usefulness. Gosh, like the flashlight is just like that's like the one thing like a god like put into every single watch.

quite Frankly. Oh yeah, totally. I mean, boby, my wife is very good now. She's sh'll say at anyone SHE will not buy another watch without a flash light period like he just he used that constantly um and you be using we could like a have a whole we have a whole episode on bets right? Like will we finally see the foreigner line up next year some time to get a flash right? I mean, the instinct got IT.

That's true. Yeah that's right. Yeah absolutely.

So will adventure outside of the outdoors outdoors group for sure. So speaking of outside, lets maybe go inside and yeah before a respective of cameras run out of battery um because my pretty sketty set up here does not have battery for days. Um so um some big news. I would say maybe even the biggest announcement of the year actually within sports stuck. Interesting ah that's .

that's an interesting perspective. So anyway, yeah fill is all in.

So uh IT was announced that training peaks um so training peaks of uh training uh log platform company um they bought interval and you may not have heard india um but basically they are A M swift like application of grey swift like a lot ways in short.

Um one of the the guys that was contracting to um swift to run a lot of their zada stuff are basically lot of the like anti dumping efforts from a um like a cheating standpoint, not necessarily from me. Like are you actually doing rug standpoint? He decided to ultimately build his own application, his own application called value, which was really focused on the performance racing sight of IT and performance vacation um and the reduction cheating.

So a lot of technologies that is wift was using to catch cheaters at the proud level, as I said in my video, like his wife pretends to care about cheating at our level, like menu. And where we go in right was wift. They're like people, little gates, stuff like that and but things are on the stream that says, hey, this how that might not be real but there is no like we percussive for cheating or miscue berating a training in a stuff like that.

Um but at the pro level they absolutely care. Um and you can get full on U, C, I bans that impact your ability to not impact that. Restrict in others.

SE blocked your ability to ride in U. C, I sanction races we've seen as wifes and the U C I issue number. These bans for people have cheated on swift for both men and women. Um and these are these are big deal bands, right these will keep you off and proteins they will keep you um out of the racing scene um anywhere because this basic way you know sanctions rolled down stuff um you could even go late racing local race and lot of cases if that a sanctions race so they do a lot in that room, but that's all safe for there so basically people the guy behind that was working a lot of stuff uh and made in develop and it's become the platform they just recently signed up for forty thousand forty thousands person thousands they have forty thousand people um on the platform and so it's something got in the attention.

But at the other day I was only one developer, tres culbert, that was yeah one guy doing all this every morning morning I would get email automate that everyone that says all the new features that he developed over the weekend, I don't understand how big his stash of mount in do is because they stood like an insanity amount of new features every single week, right? And it's episode te insane. Um so point is A A lot of people in industry, uh a lot of people all are looking at this like what's the any game and he had wanted to sell um basically license those features out to the company's, license that the performance high and stuff to companies lift and ruby acedera, but the he is only like five or seven companies in that around.

So there's really not that many options to do that um and he's getting bigger, bigger and eventually his wife is going be like, are you competing what does or what year deal there? And so training peaks announced that they have acquired um both the entire platform as well as him. And now he is now full time employee and develop as a sub ript will often be become part of the twenty pix premium subscription will will be paid right now.

It's free on develop then starting in after march. At some point that could be April could be the light at at least two march first. Um it'll be free and after that it'll only with the premise of current, which is twenty box a month um on uh a multiplying or one hundred and twenty five dollars a year on an annual plan um which is by the way, cheaper than the founders subscription was uh founders description on uh and I was a hundred like twenty nine. How need to back something like that um but I think this could be fainting because there is a lot at I mean three pieces of a massive platform with yeah I would guess maybe a million customers to take.

And I would say it's it's the sleeping platform out there that many people use that doesn't get talked about all that much. Like, you know, we talk about we talk about like straw, we talk about swift, we talk about all these individual companies. I think no strabo strabo is that kind like you know catch all for like everyone.

Yes, because IT is acknowledged even like that. But but yeah like training pigs I think is the like one sleepers platform out there that so many people use. I don't think they actually get enough credit in terms of like you know uh, more public exposure, know that we should definitely talk about them, which is a great the great news that I were actually talking about right now.

But yeah, it's I think that then building this out and then acquiring this is it's a really smart just because uh, i'm not sure if we talked about IT earlier in a podcast episode or not. But training peaks actually um had more integration with their um their strength training. I think it's called train heroic.

Is there other ah is there kind of subset or sister brand or something like that? So that was so on the strength training side of things, and they actually have now have full integration with training peaks where they can actually suggest, uh, strength training workout plans that are individualized if you actually just wanted do streng training. But you know more importantly, I think um that are supplemental or uh complimentary to your running track or cycling training plan that you are to have and training picks as well. But now to actually bring in a service that actually supplies not just the training plan, but actually something where you can actually execute on their own platform. You know, this is super, super fascinating for sure.

This is, this is really instinct. So I have been using twenty picks for a very long time since two thousand of that, right? So I ve been on this I have known trying piece a long, long time as a customer um with coaches and I had a coach in in the past that used IT that newly got me a platform.

Bobbi has had multiple coaches including a current coach um that is on the platform a as well um and you know first off I will say that turning piece is a lot like I said this in my review, a lot like a cargo ship right as wift is like a cornal crucial right which is all about like what news sexy thing can they throw out? They're all the fun stuff, right? It's the big to change anything.

Training piece has never been known further topological process or bleeding edge. Anything's right. And so um they but they are dependable and they are always just keep gone wrong, right moving forward on things and the platform is dependent. It's never been cutting out in anyway shape, perform, but he gets the job done, right.

Um and so if we look at something and they've been obviously to complete opposite end of the spectrum in jorge, pushing out updates every single monday morning and pushing the edge of technology into ms, what they are doing and sure the APP and activity stuff, so will be fast to see how those two entities can can you right like a little ways I want to be like training picks. Just give George more funding and don't screw that right um and hopefully that will flourish. But that said, there is mass the potential for training picks there, further existing coaching and customer base.

Um and I think at the side of my via as well, my wife is probably the best scenario this right now SHE dows her structural workout on swift from training peaks. So coach, create those workouts in training peaks. They must be pushed down to his wife.

And then SHE executes them in swift when she's son's. Swift executed them. He is paying exactly zero percent attention.

Yeah too is swift herself right? Um though though he did you get a George and she's like, yeah got the the k wim jury on something right and but otherwise SHE doesn't really care one bit um for the vast majority for a year SHE just doing restructure workout and SHE is either reading a book she's um listing to a podcast or something like that. So for her SHE doesn't really care a lot about the n state platform.

And if he could save the you know twenty box a month that we pay um for her suggestion, fine right he just gets IT from training peaks and that already built in and bungled into the the costs pay for the coach because the coach is the one fat to be paying for the train subject, not the athlete. Um and so I think there could be massive potential there, but they've ta turning pegs has to give a reason beyond just the monetary side for athletes to switch right athletes a lot of time. This will just be like i've already got this here I use with fiction for other things.

So I think we need to find ways to make that innovation more interesting. So for example, in coaching again, or use her or coaches example for coach of sometimes will send her what that messages are, simple voice messages about the work out there. He is about to do the like thirty to sixty seconds.

Just brief you describing the the purpose of IT a and how that might be revenant, right? Um that's a kind of stuff that could go along side some of these structure workouts that could be play back in game right in a coaches because most coaches the way that works behind the sees most coaches make structure workouts and implied them to multiple athletes right. It's not just um you know recruiting one workout for from bobbi, it's her creating workouts and IT goes to bunch different athletes, especially you to talk bigger coaching groups that have these like cokie cutter sort of things. Um so if you mage scenario um where that the coach can put in voice out through certain sections of the workouts with different instructions that um and supposed to being text on screen like IT is today, but is something that increases that connectivity, that connection, if you will, between the athlete and the coach they're paying for. There's a lot of really fascinating things that they can do.

Now what is your euros ion on the you know putting the coaching and the structure workout piece aside, what is your inie on the uh virtual cycling experience between below and swift? Because uh, you know again on this website of things, I would say I would say the majority of the the reasons that people are on swift are you know the social aspects.

Number one, there's the game in fiction like you know it's a ny like i'm not a gamer that much, but I think if there's one thing on swith where I I actually do like to achieve these things as I I don't pay attention to like my XP points. I don't pay attention to my drops or anything like that like I it's it's so funny. It's like, you know the a whole little like know the two bonuses like the option I stop like I never use all that stop.

The only thing I do actually pay attention to on waft is um um uh knocking out routs that's like that's my only thing that I really like to do is so yeah but again like that, that keeps me on the platform. I do like the social aspects as well. But like you know in terms of the those sort of more unique experiences from a cycling platform and of things like what's your opinion individual .

is swift yeah I mean, intervals, no wonders lift. It's not in the same like ballparks. So I think yeah that started chAllenge is that value there is a lot of a lot of basically botts on interview, not like a bad way bots, but like they they fill that world with people they will happily emit.

This is not like highly miss. They fill that world with no effectively fake writers and you can usually but tell about the names they're like that's a very plain sounding name, right? Um and uh and so there is not a lot of social element there. Certainly they have group rides that have lots of things that will improve just like IT even wift way back when um over time as they get more writers on the platform.

Um I think so that there is also just like the worlds themselves are very basic in um well, they look nice, like study speaking ago and I forest or something, but they don't really have that many routes, they don't have that many options and that know where you can uniquely ride. Um those are all things that you need more developers to to focus on. And certainly um there isn't like the scenic aspect of what you would see in some of the premier releases from his waft, right? Certain his wife has some areas is like liking that seems like this feed over called them done.

But there's also a lot of worries where if they spend clearly a lot of time developing these towns and synthetics, right, city's ta and none of that really exist in develop. So for some people, they like that, right? They prefer that. That was simply list c cited things. I think the market has very clear, shown no, that people do want a bit more visual stuff in the world there when they're riding along again to be to see that can they improve in those areas?

Um and then can I find a way to pull in that entire massive user base of tiny piece customers into the platform and really jump through that platform because that then brings some people that might be an other platforms into IT because I know that more people there was more events, more clubs there. And again, clubs is an area where, like, as he said, tiny picks is a sleep of a platform that so many entities use out there today where if they could just turn that key the right way and go, oh, you want to do your club rides, no problem. It's part of your training piece description because your coach sash team has paid for IT.

We are going to do IT on training pieces now called training piece virtual. And I should we ever talked about this entire way, but they have develop to training piece virtual. But like if they can do this right and that a big, big if I think I could be uh a huge thing going for one of the other big teams that difference between this and all other like upstart platforms where you like like um what was one last year uh at a bike that was announced the Greens color of.

oh yeah what was that one yeah I mean, every year is always new .

and you like, this looks really cool. Can they make that happen? That was really excited.

And then if sal interval already has forty thousand people signed up on the platform, the number one that's huge. So as of two weeks ago, they announced forty thousands person. Um so that's huge.

And then tri peaks has whatever they have. I have no idea. My guess is maybe million, you will take a few hundred thousand, I don't know.

Um so. That's a massive repository of people that in immediately start taking advantage of this stuff going forward. Um but just going .

back to pricing really quick. Um so are there any like introductory y plans with this first uh you know round of acquisition? Like are they know offering IT for free for a certain amount time, anything like that free until the end of march.

So they wanted to get to cover the northern hemisphere in our training season um and saying till the end of the march at least they say IT could be longer. They aren't really sure exact but the goal is at least through not the goal committed through apple first effectively um after that who knows um I said in my poster review, I think twenty picks to consider very hard offering a ten dollar a month here that's just twenty peace vertical right as a way to suck people on the perform because .

right now know king, king alone.

stand alone. Yeah so because right now the only way to get as of next people, the only way to get access to what used to be called in the fellow, is to go ahead and have a training peaks premium subscription, which is twenty box among twenty twenty five x year, a total real Price in wift standards and train a road and what s you want. But I think most for a degree, that univalve is not at this lift level in most of the ways that consumers care about, right um as few people care about performance of fiction.

But so and i'm sorry, you said one hundred and twenty something dollars a year for both based lover training picks as well as well trained pigs version slash yeah, that's that's a really good deal for what you're getting. Sounds like to me, I mean, totally.

you really good deal. I think it's a great deal for people who want training peaks, but there are a lot of people who don't want like the rest of training peaks, right? They just want the online platform. sure. So I I see both sides of that. I think though that there is definitely a market for that ten our month here um for basically seasonal people, right people that are going na be training on platforms from now and told you know get warm began sort of thing um at least in other locations anyways yeah so .

yeah so cool yeah so I think that's that's prying onna rap IT up for this episode, the fit file podcast. But yeah I think you know we are getting into train or season right now and I think yeah we definitely have some more cycling related stuff to talk about in the next episode. Should we definitely have some more um uh cycling latest stuff to talk about the next episode? Yeah as a reminder, um you know please check us out on apple podcast, spotify and h again. I think the the best experience is going .

to be youtube .

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before you begin your journey.

No, thanks again to everyone for listening and to the next time. I think we've and he said, we still a lot of interesting stuff coming in the pipeline over the next four .

to six weeks know it's interesting. It's like as much as september is, september is the next months out of the year and then october, I think kind of surprised this. I think there always can be surprises like every single months.

There can be surprises like you know sometimes maybe even the in december and up like that too. And so uh, I think it's always fascinating like what can come up uh, when you're not expecting that. So yeah um but always you think .

like december, december third or something or a different .

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So oh, that's true. Yeah, that is true. Yeah absolutely. So yeah. Thanks for tuning or listening and the next .

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