135: Rebuilding For the Last Time
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Welcome in episode one hundred and thirty five of the self hosted program. And I want to start right off the top of the show by living by carious sly through alex, if we could, because apple has been teasing ing us this week with some hot new product releases. And a little body tells me you might have nabb .

one I thinking about IT yeah there's new mac mini or should we call on mac manner? They they look they look pretty nice.

Ah know me, I ve always kind of thought a mac mini headless running as ughi linux could be a really nice low power home services and there's no one's even smaller.

It's got fun about five which is the real kicker for me so that that port has one hundred and twenty gigabits of through put .

yeah so you can attach some real storage.

some proper storage on the thunder interface and you can fun about docks now. Okay, they are not cheap by some standards, but neither is building a full on server. So you know, you get the that mini as the brains and then you cannot grade that over time. And then the fund about storage in closure just remains for a decade.

I think I still comes down to like what is the premium you put on power consumption because you could probably for less money, get more memory and storage in like a sixty six box. But I wouldn't necessary be tiny, silent and sip. Power is not like, how do you prioritize those things? Are you thinking about maybe a use case where power would be kind of like one of the top requirements if you have to watch for?

Well, i'm thinking about my U. K. Backup server here. IT IT would make a fantastic, I mean, a more on precise sing.

All of this based on IT running a sai linux in some future version. Like, I don't want to run like a way as a server. No, thank you.

I am presuming this will run linux and right now, at least the mac mini and we don't have numbers on the new one. But you know, take this as a ballpark. I'd at about seven watts, which is just bonus, good for the for the processing power available.

You know when you're putting in a machine in at a family member's house or when it's something to consider, do you want to put something and there's going to be drawn three hundred water on the and you know that adds up for them. It's it's like running a small space heater all the time.

right? And something just the site, you know. But this time you've got a an external hard driver to and the mac mini, you know it's it's the size of a few C D cases. You know it's it's really small and IT can fit under almost any relatives T, V, or friends T, V or something if if you are also nicely enough yeah .

I think I haven't heard a lot about thunder five support, but I think has been pretty good. I wonder if anybody out there would be boosted to us if you you have an experience with thunder, able five on linux, because you would have to watch for that too.

But do you know this? Like I could say, this is not something you do right now, but you wait for the social project to maybe even get one of these rigs try IT out and you know about the time they have that. Maybe there's another ARM system out there. System seventy six announced an armed failure desktop that's so much bigger rig, still a lotless power than saying equivalent A M D system, intel system. But maybe IT starts there if we start getting more of these ARM boxes that run linux, then you start getting more drivers developed and the situation starts to improve pretty quickly.

Yeah I mean, you can run U, T, M virtual machines and lean of virtual machines in the performance through those etonians is pretty good to be lied even with X, Y, T six simulation, which is crazy. But you know, there's nothing there's nothing that feels quite the same as running a lynx s kernel. Bare metal on that box is there?

That's for sure. You know, it's funny too, is some things just push you to just go further. And for that, like we often talk about how plex or jelly fin, this kind of a gateway to a home lab set up or a solar system running enough battery, is often the gateway to trying to figure out how to get the most performance out of low power. I feel like I had one of those moments recently where to make one thing work well, I ended up redoing a whole bunch of stuff.

There's a phrase for that in the industry. You know.

what is IT yak shaving? You know, you got to do the right wipe.

Well, you know, if i'm going to go to make myself a cup tea, but in order to do that, I need to grow the tea leaves, but in order to do that, I need to gather the soil and then I need some manual. So i'm gonna find my friend who who brother the way needs his yak shaving in return, you know, say, and like before, you know, if you're shaving a yack.

yeah, well, if you get yourself host bingo cards to cross this off, because i'm going to mention 2 sets TV again。 And it's really arsa's TV. That got me to just sort of like flip the table on so many things.

You because I for a long time, i've ve been very happy with the apple TV infused to jelly fin set up. But when I wanted to integrate live TV streaming channels, which is one of my favorite things i've done in my home media, set up well, and I started looking for clients that worked on tvs that did good streaming. And I could find individual like IP, TV apps and stuff like that, but nothing that really integrated with the whole jelly fan experience.

And when I was finding is if the family had to bail from jelly fin, they would not go back in the jeli treaty and inevitably ended up on the android TV platform. A can because I have a couple of invidia sheets like we've talked about, only I kept winning in. The issues were about once a day, the wifi would just drop off and there's even in like the quick settings menu on these boxes.

There's a there's a button right there to restart the wifi, probably a bad side. And so I thought to myself when if there's a way I could automate this and IT was just it's like the series of can I fix this? Can I fix this? So here I am a few minutes later, installing A D, B bridge in integration into home assistant.

Yeah, look up, look at up the actions or whatever they call IT. Now to use atb to restart android TV. And then before you know, IT, i'm just kind of like loading up more and more kind of automation for android TV.

So IT auto reboots them. IT wakes them up at a certain time. IT shuts them down with our with our bedtime scripts now. So there's been a lot of like little improvements that i've done that i've kind of increased my dependency on android T, V.

I guess you could say when you use the A D, B bridge with home assistant IT really smooth some of that stuff over, but then you can also install things like the home assistant fire remote card. And I have a link to this in the shower notes. Alex, you should take a look at this thing because what IT does is IT replicates several different popular remotes, obviously the fire remotes, but also apple TV all the various and video shield.

And so you can have a dashboard on home assistant that is a virtual remote. And it's so handy because if you d lose the remote, you can just this up, but and also let you create virtual button on the remote. So I have button one press to launch jelly phin one press to launched the IPTV camera APP that's tuned in to the front dash camera so we can see the driveway one by til on the wife approval.

Factor on that must be they don't have to learn right entire second .

interfaces one. And because it's on hoa system, that means if she's in the kitchen and the kids are being loud of the tvs up to loud you as access to the volume control SHE can posit from the kitchen SHE doesn't have to go find the remote like one of the kids has the remote SHE doesn't to go track IT down SHE can also put up on her phone. It's so great and it's it's a really well done little homesites ant to I got IT through.

I think I problems all through hacks. So all of this was I was really feeling pretty happy with my set up. But the real Cherry on top of all of this was jelly fin ten ten up zero came out since last episode.

And they, inner duce, the ground work for something that looked like IT was on the outs. They figured that out. And i'm so thrilled to be able to say that they have indeed ced what they call segment skipping.

Now they introduce this idea of media segments inside a file, and they instill they store information about certain time spans in a particular video that clients can then access. It's like in the database they can call that. And so there could be a media segment type called intro.

There could be a media segment type called credits. You could have all kinds of segments, whatever you want to label them, as long as have a scanner that can recognize them. And so in ten, ten, jelly fin now has just a general structural support for these media assessments.

And now you still need to plug in that does the scanning and identify them. But this is the groundwork, alex, for truly at the core level, intro skipping support the clients can use as an A P I call. I think .

that's probably A A much more sensible way to architect IT too, because that way different plugging can come along over the next five, ten, twenty years whatever as media formats change, just tastes change, you know, whatever required as long as you've got that framework there with those plugins hooking into the plugins can do whatever they like.

Yeah I mean, I was if I was sponsor block, you know, the youtube plug in for firefox or whatever, I would I be looking at making a jelly and plugging right now?

Oh my gosh, pinch flat that you mentioned in the last episode.

Yeah, I just get that.

Yes, that have that plug into this somehow exactly right?

yes. So trick place, also a feature we've been working on recently. And in ten, tan IT got a major overhaul up to a one hundred x improvement depending on your hardware configuration.

And if you know what trick place.

the trick play is a way that jack fan can scan and find interesting in segments. So when you're like you're doing a fast grub through the video, you can show you frames like a really optimize smart way that doesn't bog down the client. And IT can generate that stuff ahead of time. So it's a available for the client in IT like a stream. It's really cool.

Oh, I see. So if that makes you scrubby experience feel battery, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, nice.

And then they also made major hands because there's a lot out giving you the top three. Then they also made major enhancements to uh, the transcoding and playback support.

They so that paying mapping of H D R ten.

no yeah yeah. F of eight seven, which is nice to see. There are some breaking changes, network paths and in your library, no more.

No, no, no, no more. So that I was definitely that guy for a while where I had like a samba path or something like that. I think that's out now also.

How would you get around that with that, say, doctor, you could probably mount the sample share on the host itself and in resent that path is a volume to the container instead. Yeah, be the way to go a little more can keep perhaps I wonder what they've done.

that one. Yeah, I didn't dig into IT. I wouldn't be surprised if is just old code.

Yeah.

probably time to go. You know, also, which i'm surprisingly didn't do this before, and I ve experienced the consequences of this. F pig is just absolutely vital to how jelfa runs. And now jelliffe will refuse to start if F I can be found or its incorrect version, or something is wrong, like a missing dependency.

And what can happen with jelly fin is IT can kind of been in civil failure that you don't even realize is taking place, because jelly fine could be functional enough for your standard decodes to happen. So you don't really notice that in your data date TV watching a movie watching. But if you go to try to manually run one of the back end tasks, like generate trick play images, or, you know, scan for interros or whatever, all Normalization of what whatever you might have scheduled task for if you went to manually run them.

And, you know, scanning these files is a big job. Maybe you just added a whole new T, V show, and you go to, can the files and IT happens instantly. IT takes a second dance.

This job done that typically was a communications failure and eph c failure. And the jelliffe client just hope everything fine and didn't really have any intelligence or smarts to tell the user that the task actually failed because ephebi finished. So jelly fin thought I was done and no work was actually ever accomplished.

And so now jelly fin will flag you and say, hey, you fanie installation is broken. You got to fix this before i'm going to work correctly. Just seems like necessary kind of stuff.

I've also really appreciated the faster released caddice theyve had with these releases. The next jelliffe released is onna come out as early as April twenty twenty five. So we're getting these new features and I feel like the jelly fin project this last year to be really just matching at a really nice click.

Yeah and the clients as well, I know I mentioned in views that's not one of their direct clients, but their jelliffe support has been really solid but swift in and the actual jelliffe en APP themselves have gotten really good this year. It's I think we switched at the right time.

I can feel, you know, maybe some people think we did, but I feel like I was yeah, I never i'm not really missing anything from plex other than the library sharing that some of my extended family is still participates in in all that stuff. But for my home set up now, missing at all and with tail scale, I can still watch on my stuff wherever I go. So doesn't impacts me. You, for friends and family, a little really Better way to watch IT right now.

Well, I did put a video up, a new chief on the test go channel, showing you how to create A V, P, S with a caddy reverse proxy. And then you point your friends and family at that, and then they stream through that which is connected tail scale back to your house. So yes.

I can see going that one day you .

could put yours up on the moose, my friend.

That's true. That's true. There will be a day when in our ship is a thing and they're launched much bigger star links to that. I'll probably have, you know even more bang with available at home and I could start just toasting in from home to possible.

Yeah, maybe one of these days will put a true nosing .

to space that be great.

Speaking of the true, as twenty four or ten release just came out, and Normally we don't talk about true as too much on this show primarily because neither was actually use IT. I don't thinking anger, I was in on the modern versions, but this one's worth your attention. Good blisters. Ss, because they are switching from a cubists based at backend too, a docker based back in with compose front and senta. Much Better.

much, much less complicated.

Yeah, why push water up hill?

So I had you tried IT out back in the day where IT was kates under the hood. And inevitably, with all these things, I end up dropping down to the command line to do something. And my lord, when I saw how complicated all that was, just so I could set up some of shares in a guy and, you know, set up a fu sii of festive and a guy I, I, I bailed, I just couldn't, couldn't, couldn't.

So but the revolution over the last couple years has been really interesting, right? Because they've you know transition completely linux. They've been moving away from the kates under the hood set up.

They've been simplifying IT. They've been moving into a more cloud first kind of design. So I I think, yes, probably worth another .

look in no small part thanks to all of the work done on the linux based open S S. implementation. yes. And if you trace that back, actually, I don't wonder if we don't need to give a band to some credit here.

Oh, really.

well, they were the first ones to ship Z, F, S, right? They were the first ones that had the courage to say, or right, or a all the license, the license. But we're going to ship in anyway.

I would love to dig in and figure out how the shipping Z, F, S is. That A, D, K, S module. Wonder how they were working?

I'd love to know. I do. I let's figure out. Yeah, I think we should look at IT, see out works to see you if that kind of stuff could get brittle at all because like you know, feels that kind of build on demand module stuff can break from time to time.

But yeah but I think I think tiny shift as an atomic release. So imagine you just update image but yeah will report back on that yeah that might make all the difference. Now another common complaint with the first, in particular, mostly from home user s or users of, you know, less than windows zed Petergate arrays worth of desks, is that there's no real easy way to expand a video v. But with this release, they are adding raz video expansion to jez.

Really, it's happening. It's actually happening now.

Yeah, yeah. Now I think this might come, thanks to the hex ow stuff that they have y've had some pressure from X O S, too kind of do some some of this stuff to make IT more palatable to unread few, that kind of thing. And you I just glad to see IT finally land to be onest. I think I first read about this roughly when I was in diapers.

No, getting, well, this is great because that makes everything downstream of this Better, right? So unready can incorporate these fixes, of course. But to users were able to get this, that just that that was a complaint of mine from ages ago.

Yes, this man, we just C, F, S. Project is just really get I got in such a great sold spot right now. We're really lucky to have IT. We are indeed.

So IT looks like a really good release that's true as twenty four or ten electric ill. Now another project that saw some really nice updates this week was the mei recipe APP project with their two point o release.

You finally got me to try IT with this one. I I know why I was sleeping on this recommendation. I guess I kinda this salt, but it's so good.

Now they they introduce a feature that I think of many use on day one. This might have been work on me is they have this thing called households now. And I guess I was one of the most requested feature.

And IT required quite a bit technical rerouting under the hood. IT was a big change. They said IT touched three hundred plus files in ten thousand lines of code.

And so a household is a subdivision of groups with a collection of users. So groups can be considered completely separate on their own right. They have their own sets of everything, but households can mix the data with each other. And so, you know, we have the kid's house, we have my house, we have the studio like I could actually see setting up each household with the recipe that work best at each households or or maybe at the studio or with the kids where I could be. It's really A I thought it's a really .

nice feature that's a very yet you're a very unique customer for this with two sets of kitchens really yeah with with complete the unique requirements you know on our v cook of verses, a electric stove top, whatever you have. No, how interesting.

I have thought of that. So now I think I just this two point of version just looks so good. And i'm also kind of Carried to try out their shopping in this generation because I guess theyve revamp that I never had really I looked at at once before, I never really used IT for very long.

They've all one of those apps that is just a constantly I think I don't do that much cooking that requires recipes, but when I do, it's always like six months between uses, yes. And I think how did I smoke those ribbs? Six months of what was the source combi used, whatever.

And sure enough, I wrote IT into my opposition and impacted IT into me to six months ago. And by bad boom, I can just search for on my phone. And all is, well.

holidays are often in a time where i'll have to look something up so many as I think we'll be great for that before I use next cloud recipes, which I did like. But merely really takes IT to the next level and version to to to just seems like they have they've added so many things that people have been using IT for a while of requested to great time to jump in. And it's a very simple docker compose away.

I think we will took more about next cloud .

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Now I want to to start this section just really sharing some really rather tragic news, to be honest. The developer tea tech, who is the chat behind the really rather excEllent prox mox help scripts, if ever you've come across those, has unfortunately announced today that he's been transferred into a hospice for, you know, hospice related things.

Yeah, that is really awful.

So there was an announcement on the github issue for the project that he's obviously going to be stepping back from maintenance of the things. No kidding. yeah. So yeah, really just a quick P. S A heart goes out to your body and thanks for all the thanks for all the work you put into this projectile ly years.

Definitely, it's one person can have such a huge impact on so many people with those types of projects, so grateful for the people to spend any other time contributing to that. I spent a lot of my time sort of ripped out my set up since last episode and putting things back in. So not only was I kind of rehearing some of the media stuff, but I had a full on divorce with next cloud since our last episode that's going .

to say to the you know about this .

you know I didn't really tell her at first and so her machine wasn't thinking for a few days um I shut IT down. I mean, I stopped the container. I was done, alex. I was like, I would for a few days with a just off line, but at the end of all of IT, probably ly about a five sixty window. I and right back up with next cloud, which I totally going to recommend.

but with a Better set up. So what what are you doing? You thought, right? This is i'm done with next cloud. It's too flake. I just want to do IT like, you know, individual apps or it's .

just we were growing apart like I for months i've been having the super annoying problem. I don't know if anybody else out there ever had this, and if they ever fixed IT, i'd love to know what they did because my fix was blow away the instance for very brief period of time. Alex, I had auto upload turned on for my photos because that initially, how I was going to back at my photos, but I didn't like the performance of next cloud photo.

So I switch to prison and photo sink, and I turned off, nice club saying. And then after prison, for a short pier time, I switched to image. And i've been on image in the image APP sense, you know what? Maybe over a year too.

Now I don't know. But the entire time, my next club client has never stopped auto uploading. Every single picture I take. I've gone in the APP and turned IT on and off. You know, I uninstalled the APP twice, totally deleting all the data installed from the play store, installed IT from after od, no matter what I do once you signed in IT starts auto thinking, even though the settings off IT starts auto thinking my photos.

And then because IT does this, IT has file conflict uploads, and I am getting notifications about conflict, it's dupine files and burning up this space, and burning up, back up, and burning band with up. And I just wasn't using the web, you, I much either. And I realized what I just get rid this thing.

And all I need is cardiff car dev and test sinking. And there's a couple of projects out there that are just servers that let you sink in points. I don't offer any web, you, I, but they are listening and they allow you to connect and sink your devices.

And I thought that's that's the right I want to go. And I ended up setting up any base and IT looked really good for the text because it's really it's an end and encrypted database clients set up and IT allows you to think many things, including calendar context test, but other things as well. And I thought, here we go.

So, you know, with claud's help H, I started setting up, uh, any base and be generated. And next conflict, I get pretty far into IT. And I realized, okay, but I still have to solve task.

Okay, I can do that. And I still need to solve notes. And I realized what was my, what was my original call, my gino cal, to essentially recreate a sort of my own eyes cloud like experience that runs on my gear, uses my software.

And by that I mean, like, I create a task or a counter, a contact or a note on a phone or on a test top, doesn't matter which device IT seems to all of them. If I have set in a reminder to alert me, I get to a alert on the phone. I get to a learn on the desktop, and that's really important for me, because I have such a bad memory.

I have such bad A D, D. I need to set myself reminders and task from whatever device I met. Because if I go too long, I just complete this out of my mind, and I do want photos, but I have that.

I started talking about all of this and I thought i'm gonna end up just recreating next cloud. That's what i'm gonna do, is because I probably even know that I probably will want to have interface to some of this from time to time because I move machines all the time. That's when I realized maybe instead of trying to replace every component next cloud, I should do an M V P next cloud set up a little bit Better. You know, just try one more time to really try to get this right. I mean, like this is the time i'll take all of my lessons learned and apply to this set up.

So what's the crack then? Did you end up doing IT exactly the same way like the next match or what?

So before I had IT as a docker compose, and I I don't know if I was using linux over I O image, if I was using the the one that's up from next, supposedly the next cloud on docker hub. But I was using a docker compose that up that worked pretty well.

That thing is so confusing, by the way. Yeah, is which doctor room to use? It's just like just make one. Like why is there only one in the? Anyway, I digress.

So this time I did up to go the next module route. And the one of the reasons is this because you can pull in redis and it'll configure to be a front cash. And so I said that all up and had them a couple of issues, but pretty strait forward, got IT working, got to the log in screen, decided I go a bit, wake up the next morning and next clouds completely locked down.

It's got an airport in too many log in attempts. No way you can get access. I haven't done anything with IT yet. I had even really logging in IT just just immediately got locked down because I think my android device was trying to sink all the night and even at every time we were trying to think I was a loggin attempt.

So you know, first thing i'm doing is i'm busting out the occ command to fix IT, but this is where IT is so nice to be on a next module set up because back in the day, alex, back in the battle days of late nineties, in the early odds, we didn't have vms, we didn't have containers. Everything got installed on the host system, which meant like all the dependencies broke when you add up, great. Now that can stop.

But every package was on the whole system. And while that's a mess, IT has one major advantage that is still nice to this day. It's not a big deal, but it's nice. And that is everything's your path and you don't have to like figure out what container yet have to execute into and what the spoke crappy little container environment IT has and what tools are available, what's in that path. Everything is actually on your system is properly .

managed with next yes, the caveat being right next.

But that's so the O, C, C man was just in my path, you know and I just right, and I just put my user in the next club groups so he can run all the occ stuff I didn't have to like execute in day anything. IT was IT just and everything is managed with system d. So if I make a change and I and I want to, I just restart the system d service, but it's using the tooling built in a my Operating system instead of recreating and replacing like a nit systems IT just uses the built in and stuff and IT IT is definitely faster on the same hardware. It's not yeah not blow away fast, but I don't use the web interface .

a lot yeah I could see that I still I don't like like I I think make just i'm my stockholders rome at this point with docker like I just stand up finding that that compartmentalise ation is actually quite easy because IT again was you exact into the container everything on your past. But i've i've been fight around with nicks a lot in the last month or two.

Doing a lot of stuff with like flake we factory and you know help on modules and that kind of stuff. It's it's so nice until IT isn't. And I do sometimes find that the whole next module system ads enough friction that I think to myself air, i'll do IT later. Where is a compose a composed yamal is just like ten lies to code and like, ah, come on, you can set that up yeah I mean.

my nix, I bet you my next conflicts probably, I think, is probably twenty five ish lines but there there's some stuff and they like i'm also doing the database in there and things like that as well.

yeah.

Yes, it's a different it's a different kind of isolation like there is there is something nice about when you have something in container, it's just essentially totally detached from the OS there. There some nice aspects to that too. But what I love about this particular set up right now is it's not I like god, I don't have to worry about who publishes what images.

It's all just right there in the conflict files as well. So I had an issue with the APP store networking, and I can just go look at that. Nobody else can figure for me.

Oh, I I have apps enabled, but I don't have extra apps enable. I have to have extra. But you know you can just figure that stuff out by just comparing conflict files within ten minutes.

Do I do I have a tip for you? Yeah, they get home code. You ever come across this?

Yeah, yeah. okay.

And you can just search for the .

next line you're looking .

for such a great idea and look at like five hundred examples of that specific next service is the way to go.

The other thing I really like is engine x is all managed as well. So I just add one more line. Now I define what the host name is, what the port, what port is on the course, in this case is eighteen, four, four, three.

But you know, into the engine stuff in the S, S, L, search, all handled at that point. And you go, you can go into the config of my next cloud dot, next file. You can say, tell next cloud it's using H T P S, even if IT doesn't know IT because it's behind the rivers proxy, just tell IT that.

And I don't have to go like dig through there config up PHP or anything like that. And the other nice thing is, is when I show to west, you can review me like always OK, that's how you turn that on, right? Like he doesn't have to go dig around my individual PHP files or wherever next club sticks that kind of stuff. So i'm pretty happy with the set up in terms of like mainland, i'm happier with the performance. And I think kind of starting with a clean slate and just really importing things like files and calendars directly was the way to go because so far, I don't think the auto think has happened, although I haven't checked today, even taken many photos.

Can I late you into a little secret? Yeah, my media service has been running nick OS for the last nine months.

You mad man. I switched .

silently because, you know, I just wanted to do IT on my own, my own terms. IT is the most stable any server of mine has ever been because it's so it's not difficult to think it's not the phrase I mean to say it's just like i've got IT set up and the configures self documenting and why would why would I change? IT is working perfectly.

It's anti frag. Yes, it's not brittle yeah at all. I could like make a guess like, okay, how is this supposed to work? What how is I could I could try to build, could test build IT entity that passes are fails and I don't have to commit IT. And so IT gives me license to experiment.

Well, assuming you can decide for the esoteric c next error message that you get.

So you know about tRicky and i'm going to be, but IT is kind of works is I just give claude A I A little context of what I was doing and then I just straight up copy the error messag Epaced i n t he c laude a nd t hen a sk c laud t o e xplain I T t o m e. I and IT does a remarkably decent yeah, that's been my trick. You know I haven't .

really missed google much at all this month.

have you? I think claud and perplexity and search x ng that I mean you combine the three, those for me and google is feel an old yeah IT feels IT feels like .

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So mike salgado, rights in, I don't really understand why people choose to lex or jellyfish as their media service. What other benefits over these versus using just D N, L. A? I've been using this for many years. In fact, in service college, i'd like to hear your thoughts or a few guys have already discuss this. Thanks for the great show, mike.

I mean, there's an advances to keep in a simple sometimes, sometimes for me it's a i've got a couple of tvs and so I want to synorix the watch state. That's how started, of course, a lot more reasons, but that's how sorry, I want to think about the watch data, ross, all my machines.

Do you member back in the day where with X, B, M, C, where you used to host a, my secret database and have hooking into that? And yeah yeah I mean.

you know there's people still doing that. If that set up still works for its fine. But then there's like IT evolves right now.

I want something where I can download a bunch of files, my device when i'm travelling. And there is a lot of advantages. Jelly fin house because it's a centralized database.

So for example, I mentioned arsa's TV earlier assets talks to jellyfish database via the API and is aware of and makes available all of the shows that the jellyfish in service is indexing. And so other applications can create an ecosystem because blacks and jelly fin both have very comprehensive A P S. Around them as well.

Yeah I think for me to add on to what Chris is saying as well. It's things like rich meta data. It's things like sharing with friends and family.

It's things like transcoding on the fly. If the former isn't supported by the target device lots, it's like deaf by a thousand paper cuts. None, none of those things on their own are enough to condemn DNA. But for me, all of those things combined make IT that I, I will always use a media server over just a directory of files, whatever possible.

And you could try that out and still use D, L, N, A if you want, because jellybean can act as A D, L N, A server. So you could play around with IT and pointed at your files and see if you like what IT does and still just interface with IT over that. If that's your preference.

Can I use that as a library source?

Or is IT why not? I've never used IT, but I would imagine a create psychological deal in a before kind of creates like a directory structure of your library. And then you kind of browse through IT, almost like folders. And then you can select the file that in my previous life, when I ve ve tried that.

I have not tried IT at D, N, L, A experts out of now.

I mean, I he was nice, especially back when I used my console, my game consoles, as media center boxes. Because a lot of times like the play stations to do don name things like that. But these days I just have set top boxes.

Oh, that's probably another reason media centers become more popular, right? Set top boxes are at based. And so you know, you put the jelly phone up on there and pulls in all .

your library information, and also.

they don't completely suck anymore.

And and what have you meant that that ten for interface that we were all chasing with X, B, M, C or whatever IT actually works now? Yes.

yeah, they've surpassed code in terms of U I design, i'm going to say, but for a long time, they had and there's that too great question or really that's engh sometimes as good as kind of question some of the fundamentals. I think we got some boost this week. Self hosting is life is our polar booster.

With forty thousand cats and they wrote, I am loving search or cr x ng how he say, IT, thanks for the recommendation, guys. Even though it's preventing tracking with cookies, you can still be tracked by your IP dras. So you might want run IT through a search of VP, maybe paranoia, but I think it's really necessary to remain anonymous. Keep up the great work, boy, the energy that takes. But I have respect that.

You know, it's interesting that you say that self hosting his life because there was A A period, I think IT was just say, thursday morning IT doesn't matter when IT was does, but there was a pit. There was one morning where I literally every search I put through searching just said too many requests. And so I came out through an exit node, which happened to be a digital tion drop lot and suddenly IT worked instantly. And some .

like um maybe google .

don't actually like me not being trackable .

oh I like that bacon and some good one yeah I wonder I think you know you have so many other services still. I I don't think we can fully hide from google, but I fanatic ze about the ability to be totally anonymous online just for fun. I can actually get around to doing IT. But IT.

I bet you there are plenty of graphs in alphabet H Q. That are not going up into the right these days yeah you you .

know thank you for the boost self house in his life. And I agree GLB right comes in with a row of mcduck twenty two thousand two hundred and twenty two sets so maybe and he talk to to me, you should consider two GPU in that new system, one for linux test top and one for machine learning. You could consider the machine learning GPU and external enclosure, not low cost option, but you buy once, you cry once.

Yeah, you know what? If you were to do something like P, C, I, E, passed to this. This is basically what I do with that epic box that I have in my basement.

I have the art pro card for transcoding and the next V M. I talked about just a moment ago. And then I have an invidia, eight, four thousand.

Not not suggested you need A A car that is that powerful for machine learning in allama and stuff, but sure is nice. If you can get IT. You can then impose that through with P, C.

I pass through to a separate vm. So I have a nicks, I call IT nicks nv. Lamer NVIDIA ama is what I call this one.

And that runs my image. Machine learning library. IT does alarm. If that was why I used for perplexity a this week .

yeah you know .

just having a GPU on the network yeah whether you throw in the moves or not could be another option.

I thought I was thinking .

that too really damn handy and you think ah i'm not going to use IT that much and anywhere like you using IT every day for some some little task can you like all and IT doesn't break because it's nick. You know like how this is this is, yeah, I am fully self efficient right now. This is cool.

I could see going with two G, P, U. And putting one of them in the most and having an excuse to go then with an AMD or even an intel arc. I mean, one of my guilty pleasures is the intel R I have IT in the machine.

I'm sitting in front right now in the studio. Rocks od, just the most rocks solid video card on linux. It's like, man, it's just perfect.

I felt your pain hard this week because I tried to put nick OS on my desktop and I have a thirty eighty in there. Yeah, yeah. WAlland does not. Even the nicks O S installed booted just to a black screen with a White curse. So I had to change with different T T, Y and do the next install that way.

Then in make sure I had the correct tive video driver in install before I did the reboot with no next O S switch, whatever, once I booted to my desktop IT boot at me into a plasma wayland session. And everything seemed fine. IT picked, IT picked nineteen twenty by ten twenty eight on a five k two k monitor.

So that was fun. yeah. So I fixed that. He also IT picks thirty hurts on one hundred and twenty hurts, so fix that.

And then I loaded up Victoria, which isn't exactly a graphically demanding video game. IT runs perfectly happy on one macbook care, just to give an example. And IT was just black screen flickering nonsense that i'm just like .

past this yet I mean that they're .

working on like the later .

generation graphics cards are going to be supported pretty well by the new open source drivers theyve been working on. But may and I just you i've .

been this was used this propriety .

drivers in nicks yeah that's tRicky with whale. They have this open source cornal driver. They're working on that, that is going to make experience Better and will work with way in much Better.

Is that new vote? Or is that something else?

I think they're using part of new vote for the user space, but they're building a new cornal module to give that a look. Then yeah yeah maybe. And that would make the invites ence more tolerable. But I feel like it's not there yet. So I like this suggestion a lot.

I I was reminded this week why in video on linux turns people into great kids.

And then when you put A A M D card in there or an intel arc, and it's so simply, you don't even think about the video card because you've literally never have to. Everything just works. It's a total one, lady.

Yeah, they could you appreciate that you have to inspiring in with twenty thousand. So was a great one. Ah thanks for your no google october coverage. IT took me a while to set up. How do you say IT alex.

search, searching, just searching. The took search. X, N G.

yeah I know IT took me a while to set up searching or search X N G and two barca's is so i'll be doing in, no, no google november OK. Yeah, we need a name like, uh, november or something. November something, there's probably a name and then you keep come up with.

He is unfortunately, just as I was starting to persuade my wife that he would be good to watch youtube subscriptions with maybe no ads via jelly on and that came up on youtube for a holiday in japan. A very expensive twenty five holiday location has now been chosen, and SHE wants to keep seeing ads in the middle of youtube video. He wanted to see the earths.

You know, I do hear this argument from some people that, like, I enjoy ads, I enjoy google telling me what to buy. And I like I already don't have enough money.

Well, mei you, I try to make enjoyable ads. So I appreciate that set of IT. But I never been a big fan of the youtube bs.

just never really what you had. Different episode. Tail scale van rate, for example. They are products that you and I both use or have you and personally would use and endorse. Like, yes, it's not like with selling box fresh meals or whatever.

It's very true. In fact, I I could find a good box fresh meal that I like maybe well, but I can found one yet. I tried what recently did not like IT.

Maybe we should get sponsored by school bus. You think that would work for the audio?

Those those bastards. I mailed them a couple of years ago, maybe before the show, even I said, hey, this is like a couple years. This made three years, I don't know, was a while ago hey, you want to sponsorship had to show that I thought be a good fit at the time.

And they told me they were pulling out of podcast at that time years ago. But everybody knows about them. I don't think it's a good with this audience.

maybe wordpress.

not comments that there you go. There should be real smooth. No problem there.

No, V, T, fifty two has a charge or boost. Five thousand says, says, been well since I. So I thought I drop a couple of self hosted recommendations.

Number one is dumb, a self host alternative to front and genius, the lyric site. And it's fantastic. So dumb, then you just love the name.

I do love the name. yeah. And then you got gluten with gluten, right? I tired to worry about linux is I S O traffic egress use docker gluten makes all traffic egress through open VPN or a wire e guard and point yes.

And if so, if you have a mobile subscription or anything like that, you can fund all of the traffic using the docker network mode through that egress point, and also supports things like kill switch in D N S. Leak tests. And it's a really a nice solution .

if you need IT so solid.

H regos there. Wink, wink, noggy.

And hint. Thank you. Vt, really appreciate that. And our last boost this week is undead fable.

And he comes in with, or they come in at least with, two thousand five hundred sets for the G P U. topic. This is a hot tip.

I just purchased an R T X forty sixty from java dot org, J A W, A dot org, which is a second hand marketplace for two hundred and fifty six Greenbacks after attack in shipping. Wow, O K N R T X forty sixty for two fifty six. I'm gonna over the java 啊， java A G G IT IT has enough internal RAM IT ate gigs for a lot of models on alama.

And IT has a high fifteen point seven flops value. And I can use IT for A V one encoding. That's all. Those are all that nice. From what I ve seen, IT was the sweet spot to slot into my server for all my test.

yes. So the thing about putting a GPU in a survey, you're not only worried about performance, of course, we also worried about the power budget and therefore the heat that they generate. So you've onta find that sweet spot IT seems like this guys find a good.

a good baLance. yeah. I mean, fifteen two flaps doesn't gonna be blow away, right? But it's Better than the CPU. And then the CPU are available for .

other stuff, I suppose.

Have you ever run alarm on a CPU?

Yes, yes, yes. It's it's just painfully bad. Yeah, that's how I knew that my in video drivers work working on on my nick store start with, because just defaulted to the cp.

I like, well, this is a ChatGPT way fast. And then I realized that I didn't find the cuter device. And then when IT did, IT was like, oh, oh, there we go, this is.

this is more like IT doesn't IT make you a kind of just be an ot of the amount of power that is behind these different chat pots, these huge public chat pots.

Oh yeah, yes, yeah. And you think how many millions of requests they are getting every minute?

Yeah you know yeah, it's really something that's thank you. Everybody who boosted in, we didn't have a blow away show. We we had five boosters this week.

So if you've been thinking about boosted in now, I would be a great time to step up. We did have thirty folks stream as they listen, though. So our streamers stack one hundred and six thousand and thirty eight cats combined with our boosters.

We have a grand total this week of a humble one hundred and ninety five thousand, seven hundred and sixty sats, but we still appreciate everybody who participated in the value for value system if you are a member or if you're a booster. Thank you. We appreciate that very, very much.

Especially the add winter goes on. Your support really means more than ever. So you can do that with a completely cell host and set up something like alby hub, maybe get like something, start nine going or let found to do the infrastructure for your fountain.

That F M. Will have links to get started in the show notes. Thank you everybody. Self host dot show slash S R E big shadow to our members. This spot right here is available.

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I'd love to work with somebody who is also a listener of our shows. The support has been down. We got a good clip and memberships um about three weeks ago and we had a good amount of boost come in. But since then, the show has been trending downward and that's difficult after a prolonged at winter. Even this pot here is available in self host, which traditionally has been sold out.

So if you've been thinking about boost team, there is an incredible opportunity for somebody who likes to self host tools like start nine and alby hub and so many others allow you to participate in the boost process, entirely self hosted on your own infrastructure, using free software over a pair appear network. You don't have to. You could also grab something like fountain and use their infrastructure that makes IT really quick.

But I just think sometimes the self host ers in our audience miss that there's a way to do all of this and support the self host podcast using entirely cell st of infrastructure course. You can always set IT on autopilot and become a member at self posted that show slash S R V. And as a little thank you, we cut out these types ads, all the ads, but we also give you a little power, little extra content as a thank you for putting your support on autopilot.

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I thank you to all of you that came and said hello. All things open in rally this week because we record its wednesday and all things open just wrapped up. And we had a fantastic meet up at trophy brewing with the unrated crew. And some of you that came got discount coupons for on radars are pretty cool. It's just nice to see your faces sometimes, you know and everyone that says, hey alex, I recognized your voice and all that is .

people walked by and IT takes them a second, and then they hear you.

they overhear you here. That's alex. Yeah, yeah. No, he, he's idea.

I really was. I gotten know, should I go to this? Like I feel like i'm missing out. Like I feel like all things open is going to the point when I don't go. I feel so formal.

Yeah, it's about three thousand people this year. I think I think somewhere into three thousand and three thousand five hundred brains, that's a good size.

It's kind of big conference now, but IT IT shatters that line really nicely between being a community conference with a decent hallway track and also attracting decent sponsors and decent speakers too, that you would get at, say, the bigger conference is like a cube corner or reinvent or summit or something like that because its red hat home turf is literally two blocks away from the tower in downtown rally. You've got a whole bunch of red hat folks there. So it's really good for networking and just chatting called George came in and stayed with me this week. West was he was at the conference. So you know, we were talking to the amy linux folks at the booth next to earth.

That's great.

Yeah, our linux was there. I think rocky was there, that there was a mechanical keyboards stand from the key. IO turns out there in the room, and i've ordered a keyboard. And i'm gonna a go to the warehouse and pick up, pick IT out and trial the different switches.

And h, that's so cool. You got takes some video.

You do that? yeah. I think what's really great is IT just underscores for me at least, there is so much on my daughter ter, that I didn't have a clue about. Like I met the guys from trial like triangle linux users group. I met a few people who live or you in this general area, like, are we we go to the problem on wednesday and talk about, know, left wing politics, you should come down. And i'm like, what way you to say .

that sounds really nice in socialist?

I know. right? I got to try. I got.

I got ta try because IT doesn't m like that. That working would be for the pod. Be good for me. I yeah.

there were, there were a few pocket networks there. There was the change of guys with that was IT whisky web on something? I forget what the name was.

There were a few guys there doing me, and j from linus, linux. TV was there. Jim salto was there. Alan pope was there. You know, so, good, good, good bunches of folks. And, you know, some of people you don't get to see very often in, in fact, poppy, I think I ve only ever met in america.

So isn't that funny? Yeah.

given us of any line from twenty minutes away from my hometown, just weird. Well.

maybe next year sounds like I want to put on the calendar. And you know, for the last couple years, two, you've had a nice meet up around all things open to, so my fom al on that as well.

Yeah, I think I think the next big conference on my radar is probably fuzz dem, though russels in february does not really thrown me. But you know.

I know I am already working on linux fest northwest and probably going to be at scale.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I ever did IT this spring with too many conferences. So GTA die IT back.

I figure out where to cut promise. My favorite ones are in the spring. They all back to back to back but you know, that's why we have the media page with everyone's we actually end up doing made up dog come as stupid to broadcast. And if he just follow that when we do have an event, will post them up there.

sure will. And you can find me on these hit into ebs. Alex, do Kitty I dot me. Yeah.

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S. Dot com. I'm also on weaponry s or matrix. You know, we ve got a matrix survey can find that a pir of broadcasting out conflict matrix, lots of rooms, including some self host chatter.

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