Episode 367: Live Activities on Watch, Intel CEO, and ChatGPT
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Good morning.

Gave IT jm darin pool. We had a morning this morning. Yeah, your your set up does not like you.

IT does not like me at all. Not at all.

So I would love to get to the bottom of why. So for fox at home, ever since jim got his new uh, set up with a new computer, a new external drive, a new what other stuff I can remember, all the stuff you bought um yeah we have had a problem of just the recording, not I I I just quit and the nothing for you focus at home to trouble shoot. We are madness, trouble to and we're hopefully got to a set up now that is going to a work for this entire episode. If we make IT through all the way, how long for us we will figure IT out um but .

just just the weirdest thing, have no idea what's going on, and I have trouble shooting a whole lot of problems recording audio over the years.

And this one just has me my go to guy, but you can gure IT out um so thanksgiving, what what did you do for thanksgiving?

A thanksgiving was um interesting for for us uh eric as two boys came down and one of the significant others um boyfriend brought so there was we are three people here for the holidays and IT was a lot of fun um you know they're all big football fans so that is a day for IT.

And by football we mean american football.

american foods. All yes. So there was pro and college john, and there are all huge fans of each of those so IT was we had a we have a fireplace outside by the kitchen with a big tb uh up above that so we had uh outdoor fire um you know just blazing and you know some drinks and lots of food. Just a good time overall. I have found .

great yeah um so your outdoor TV is undercover.

Uh yeah yeah yeah .

and the fire obviously not undercover.

the fire is it's a fireplace.

Oh okay, so what?

IT has a china? Yeah the TV is above the fireplace. Now there's an outdoor kitchen there, but in in the very center of everything, there's you, I don't know, seventy in TV, and then a big fire place read below.

And so the fires just kick him off heat. And you wouldn't think a wood being outside, but IT really does. And we have some shades that we had installed there, like, I don't know, twenty or twenty five feet long, we have we have two of those. So um to keep the glare .

from the TV from the screen like that, uh.

well, and to keep the heat and in the winter.

right, right, right.

And then we have you know couple big fans on the ceiling and the fans, well, you know distribute the heat, no kinds stuff. Yeah, I was just fine. I was just.

how about you? Um so we had a we've become the place for thanksgiving, I think, for our family. And so we had seventeen people and our thanksgiving yeah, and it's about what we did last year, too.

And so I love all the people that's a very big plus for me is that you know if that there was no IT wasn't like strangers over, we invited people you know that we didn't really know this was all people were very close with. And so there was a lot of, you know, really good sharing going on and talk to catch them up and all that kind of stuff and waterfall ball on on. Tb.

incredible.

Yeah, I was. I was really good. But we were also doing a lot of cooking. We cooked everything that we we did bring in some stuff like we went to the storm boat, you know, a couple of premade things.

But we spatch talked a turkey, which is when you cut, you know, that you cut IT in half and he has sort of spread IT out, makes IT cook Better. The unbelievable, my, my son is the cooking person. We've talked about this before, but he's, bryan is just absolutely great at this.

And he he made the turkey. And IT was the best turkey i've ever had in my life. And and IT was gone that we had a big bird IT was a couple of an I made spaghetti's which is my thing um and uh so IT that we like to have a thanksgiving where we're not so traditional.

We like to have just stuff the people like every time we just going for whoever wants something will make IT. And we had a lot of vegetable things for. We had vegetarians, so we had mates of samon, just lot.

So there was a lot of cooking, a lot of cleaning, right? But IT was the kind of crowd that when we were cooking, everybody had pitch down. And you know, when we were cleaning, there were people empty in the dishwasher, loading the dish washer ring, things that, you know, whatever we need to do. So what none of that was that sort of sure like feeling IT was all joyce um yeah that's .

that's really good. I usually do the the cooking and the cleaning and you know I I want eri C2Be abl e to spe nd tim e wit h her kid s cau se I j us t wan t so I j us t kin d of sta y in the bac kground and coo k and do the cle aning up.

But you like.

you like doing IT, right? Oh yeah, I do. I'd like doing. Although this year you we usually cook everything ourselves, you know, go from scratch and do everything. But this year, he said, you need to spend some time with us instead of being inside, you know cooking all the time so we get a like a predation m and you know um you know potatoes and begged es and everything I cook and and we got A A predator key and you know just kind of save some, save me some time, I guess and I I appreciated that.

So one of the things that came up that you and I ve talked about this, but I know one of your favorite things in the world is broad by musicals. I know you're big to explore.

if if I could, just like quick this podcast right now and go see a musical wonderful.

And of course we're lying yeah because that you are the entity is of this. But there is this movie, wicked that came out and I have not seen IT, but I did see uh the broadway ite plague when I first came out. So I saw luck yeah I saw I see what you did there um um but IT now is great. I I really I thought I was sure if I I it's a thing that I do with my daughter.

Every year we go to new ork and we see a play see um yeah i've done this for years so um that was that was a long, long time ago when I when wicked first came out um but uh the point is there's this movie out now and I was like I I could care less that there's a movie about this play IT wasn't made in my favorite play IT was a good play, good music and everything but I I didn't love IT and a and then this movie came out and I am getting so much everywhere I turned people are talking about this like i'm you know i'm taking this art class right? I don't know we've talked about this, but yes, i'm drawing and learning. Do a lot of the um charcoal and different techniques and stuff.

It's very helpful to me and something I always want to do. But in the article, ass, I came in and they're just talking about this, about wicked, about this movie and how great that is. And oh my god, it's the best movie ever 8888。 So I don't know if anybody out there has the same experience where there people they are just be exposed to this movie, but i'm being told that is great, that's really great.

And no one has said I saw IT and I didn't like IT. I have not had one person and I heard from a lot of people about smoke. So that's just that throws IT out there thing, right?

Well, maybe I should watch IT that .

I can tell you that I don't like. Yes, that would. I'm bedding that. You will not.

I Better. I won't .

yeah but but I am interested that if I ever comes on, if you if you watch IT, but it's not your thing. I get that. But I thought this was interesting. This is just a little nugget from this that I I just found very interesting. I never knew this soap in the in the broadway play.

The there's two main characters, right? There's the good witch on the bad witch or whatever you want, a wicked whatsoever the wicked, which is named alphabet and I you know I just was always alphago. I I just assumed, oh, that's just the name alphabet from the box or something.

I didn't know where I came from, but I knew I was, alphabet was a the Green, you know, which? And a and then as someone told me that the name alphabet comes from the guy who brought the with revise box, that series of books, way back in the early one thousand nine hundred hundreds, I think, was a gun. L Frank bom, um l Frank bomb.

So L F Frank ba, for bm alpha, that's where the name comes from. The other, I thought I was a nice little piece of trivia. You don't care, lot people listening don't care, but I care all .

of those things that are kind of cool though you know when you find out why and how something was done.

Yeah, exactly that. No, it's like an easter. I G almost.

Yeah, exactly. I like that. That's that's kind of cool. What's to get on to some apple stuff here? Um it's kind of funny because you brought up something today when um I was I was looking through the notes and IT was live activities on your apple watch and I thought, okay, well, I don't have live activities on and then you started to describe what was going on and I thought, oh my god, that's what's happening to me so I have my watch face like I always have. I have my watch face with my, you know all the different one of those called faces no no, no the little widget that you can put in um whatever I have all .

these little placation complications .

um I have all those set up, you know I can do anything. But now whenever I you know trying do something like I set a timer or in, I IT my my watch face changes to something completely different, which is okay when the timer is going. But if I have a timer going and a song playing, you know, from a nearby machine, the song comes on first and the timing is below IT.

So then I have to scroll in order to see the time. And it's just it's infuriating to look at my watch and my hands ful and look at my watch and the time is no longer there. So so so what's .

happening is um there's this we talked about this earlier, but there's a thing called the smart stack, which is an a relatively new thing and it's in the basically in the latest version of watch O S. And it's it's pretty good in that IT lets you have a stack of all the things you have going and then you scroll through IT.

But there are times when you just want to look at your watch, you you're in the middle of something, you don't have your hands free. So you don't have even a hand free. 你 这 grow the smart stack and see the thing you want and the smart stack takes over and live up。 Usually it's live activities is what takes over your screen. Something is going on, you're playing music or there's a score of a game that's you know that as the school change is it's updating your your screens. So IT takes over your watch face.

Now here here's a question for you. Will you like your airplane, your applying board past still show up if you turn off live activities? Is that a live activity?

Um I don't I don't know, but you know what I will know tomorrow because i'm getting non an airplane tomorrow. So um I will I I will take a look at that.

a jeder liner.

a jet liner, you know .

that song on the way.

okay. So so what happens is that this came up because there is a way to turn off um live activities with the smart stack. So where IT comes up for me is when i'm running and when i'm running.

And the last thing I want to do is have to hold my watch in front of my face and use my other hand. And you know, because i'm paying attention where i'm running. If I want to tread mill, i'm paying attention.

You know I don't want to step off the thread milk you know turn a little bit and then fall like from running. I need to look out for curbs and things like that. So there is a way is this whole thing came up because there was an article posted on ah that was mac rumors uh that basically talk you through.

There's there's a settle uh if you go to settings on your apple watch and go to smart stack, then tap live activities, there's a switch auto launch live activities. If we turn that off, that will that will fix the problem. You'll have more control over what appears on your watch face, but if you want live activities, so this is one of those things that i'm playing with now to see what I like, what I don't like, what I lose the whole thing about the boring pass. I mean, i'm usually my boring pass is on my do you do you go on a flight and use your watch to to check in? Like to to scan when you you're actually getting on the the plant when you're get ready to walk on the the runway.

No, not really, not anymore. I used to quite a bit, uh, but not so much anymore.

How does that work? I didn't even realize you could do that.

You you can. Yeah IT IT comes up with the A Q R code.

Q R code on your watch. yeah. Okay, dm, i'm doing this. I I want to do, I want to experiences. I didn't know that was even a thing because I am always pulling my phone out of my post and it's a thing in your hand.

But if I can do my watch, are I Young to play with this so just say, you know to to fill in the blank here I am flying to chicago uh to go to the chicago institute art uh or the art institute chicago o actually is what its name is and I think I mentioned this a while back. Um i'm going to see there are some paintings. There's one in particular called the great wave at and i'm GTA butcher the name.

It's like the great wave off kinda a something like that which is A A very famous japanese wood block. And if you if you know, I think about you've seen this, you'll see the picture of IT and you instantly recognize h, yeah, i've seen that before. It's a very famous piece apart.

It's like if you, uh, stories, story night, the bang, go painting with the squiring stars. You'd recognize that right here. You at least say, i've seen that before or you know, pick your, you know, picasso man with guitar. You know, any of these really, really fame IT like, how about american gothic? Have you ever heard of that one where there's a man and a woman standing in front of a farmhouse, the man holding a pitch .

work that bring any .

bell that's very famous painting but you might not be able to name IT or the author or the painter right won't necessarily know who did IT, but all of these things are gonna a beyond display um at the museum at at the garden student chicago and the the great wave is one that they very rarely show. So it's basically on despite now until uh, the end of the month, basically I think .

that you would be that interested in to do that.

Oh very, very much so I like I said, every year we go up to new york to go to to two things we know obviously with the food but but broadway, a broadway play or choose sometimes we do two place and uh and we go to mama museum, my mom, and which which is my favorite museum in the world, than people people I know were saying, day, you are really missing something. The institutions ago is one of the great american. Ms, and so I wanted see you.

So actually a little bunch of us are going. We're got where is a big meat up in chicago very excited about this and yeah and that I have suppressive of chicago. We're gonna dinner and um I don't know any boy's who who's hearing this here's this in time analysts in chicago but.

Uh, you know my socials, you go to date market that common and you will see my social and you can connect to me that way. Although I don't know I have time, can I call anybody else? But i'm i'm excited about this trip. So that's why to be flying and that's when i'm gonna try this, try you to watch to get on the plane.

All right. Well, we'll be unarrested to see how that turns out. We have over the years had some debate over using encrypted apps, especially in the us, I think. And and with privacy advocates and with the government really not taking a position, well, the government has now taken a position and they want everybody to use encrypted apps. And you know, john group bi wrote up an an interesting point. You may remember that the FBI was going after apple because IT was apple couldn't get into a phone that they wanted to get into with A I think I was a mass shooting in in california uh and you know gruber said IT IT seems kind of new for the FBI to call encysted our friend um but he's right that they never said really said anything about encryption. They said that they wanted to get into lock devices and couldn't so that's a different thing.

Related clearly related .

you related but you because apple can .

if it's encrypted, apple can apple does never keep descript my messages. So my messages are encrypted. And theoretically no one no one can a can get a hold of my messages and and decrepit them from whether y're stored on server somewhere, the stored encrypted end to end encrypt IT by of all.

So that's that's certainly true. But but the the thing about the terrorist IT is a slightly it's related but slightly different in that what the FBI wants is they want to break into this phones. They can read the messages and see what you know, are there? Are other people involved? Is there no? And and I I understand the need but there is also the cost in privacy. So I get that to .

well yeah they don't mind encysted as long as they can bypass IT. But now there there is um you know a cyber attack on I A T verizon and others are from china and the government is now recommending everybody use encrypted apps, which is you know it's awful that this is happening but IT is good to to always use encrypt that apps if you can yeah .

well it's it's resting. Part of the story is that there there's clearly been this compromise of are non encrypted services. So if you're using IT at something that's not encysted, then your stuff is exposed.

But if you're using messages, for example, it's and then the crypt t is so you, you you're good there. Nothing needs to change. But one of the things that um the group run up, I thought was interesting was um.

Uh he was looking at the place store page for google messages because there's google messages and there's apple messages, right two different apps, two different protocols um in the uh google message is does support and and encysted but only over R C S and only if all participants in the chat are using a recent version of google messages as opposed to apples version which is into the scripted and I believe was that from the very beginning but um but the screen shot from the play store which he shows flatly declares count this is again google conversations are end to end ding cyp ted full stop but that's not true because who has the latest version of you know that this is A A thing that's been an issue for google since the beginning they have made they made strides in getting their devices make IT, making IT easier for devices to have the latest version of android. But it's not always that way by default. And there are people who don't have um R C S set don't use. And so there's plenty of conversations that aren't that way. And i'm guessing there's a way to tell if you're on a google device and your communicating and it's not R C S, are not encysted, but to say conversations are and encrypted, full stop is not mislead.

Yeah absolutely misleading.

And I thought that was interesting work bringing up and with all the stuff that happening with the discovery of this uh what do they call its salt typhoon is the name of this hack or this uh, penetration by the chinese um with this revelation about all types, it's important to know.

And then what happens if you're on if you've got the Green bubbles in your conversation? Like what does that what does that mean? And and another thing that came up, I I thought this was interesting.

I have been in conversations, and I think since I had I O S eighteen, I you know how you you you add someone just create new message and you add, you just type the same and it's blue and you know all that's a iphone user, right? right? Okay, then you add android user of the conversation and IT turns Green because it's only blue if everybody is blow, right? Yes, okay, but then I sometimes to add a person to the conversation and their name is red, which I ve never seen before and I don't know what that means, but the conversation happens.

But what does that red mean? I've never seen that. Okay, well, that happens.

And and I think you might have something to do with, I think this person who am adding is na has he has his phone lock down. He doesn't share his location. He doesn't or .

maybe it's the other way. Maybe it's not secure when they know them well.

Now I know this person and I know how uh carefully are about their um their communications. So IT could be that they are not sharing their location. And this is a way to know IT.

But I haven't found somewhere there's an article about this and I haven't done enough research. So i'm not asking you to do my searching for me. I'm just saying I I noticed that and all the stuff is making me think about security in a way I never really did before. But I think I I you know, I don't anna be A A fan boy about this, but I think that you just using apple gear, using an iphone IT just makes me more, makes me safer in that regard. Do you think I think i'm just being and think about this.

No, I mean it's a big thing, you know if I don't think so.

so I real that's this in effect is a win for apple because this whole thing happened, the salt iphone thing um I mean they're trying to figure the sound and fix IT but will never know we'll never know if is safe, right?

We will never know if if there's somebody listening to everything we type well, there is just no way to know one hundred percent you can find out yeah you someone was listening to, you can find that out sometimes but you can't ever know. So good for apple, I guess. Yes and if being blind here that that's fair, I I you I would be willing to admit that um so what else we .

got well, how about l who was once the biggest chipmaker in the world for computers, just fired their, uh, C. E. O.

Um he was forced out. He retired, but they gave my choice. retired. Get fired. Intel has not had a good time of IT because they they just can't seem to get the process down to make uh Better chips. And this has been going on for a long time for years and years and years. Um you know apple was with intel and when apple left, they left a huge gap and they left because apple could now produce their own chips that were first superior to anything and tell head how .

totally different approach they yeah um they they solved some problems that until never solved I don't know that they left a big gap. I I think .

that they did I think that maybe maybe not total um you know a number of chip sold, but I thought the gap that apple left was you know saying in tells not very good and we have to leave in order to get Better. I think that was you know kind of A A big slow chama in the side of the car of in .

tail camera. That's good. That's a good metaphor.

yeah. No, okay. Just IT was a big dent that they left. I think more they love to bigger than than what their sales would indicate that they did.

I I think what they did was they showed a different way that H I think until missed mobile, they missed they didn't understand how massive when when apple was with intel. So when all max had intel chips there, what bubble was very a very small market. Um you know only certain kinds of people had headphones IT.

Wasn't that thing where everybody has a phone or if you have a phone, it's a you know it's a small, low, powerful. It's not you know this is your phone, is not your computer. Your phone is to make phone calls and maybe some testing was no a little bit.

But um apple I think back then had a very small percentage of the whole uh maybe five percent of all desk top um and and uh mobile Operating systems weren't even tracked back then. So yeah uh so windows had I don't know if this the numbers correct, but lets say windows had ninety four percent, apple had five percent and then others were one percent. So as apple had so little aren't weren't they were a customer to into intel and you know maybe a mildly important customer, but they warrant windows was everything, microsoft was everything.

And then when mobile hit, microsoft missed mobile, right there was windows. Windows found went nowhere. And apple obviously massive, massive penetration into that market and android didn't exist yet. Um and then that that's when in tel should have figured this out. They should have figured out how to make him chips for the phone and then apple went to ARM.

And then um I think I think l in intel stuck with with microsoft, but I think microsoft has started to use cocom chips, right? Isn't that the copilot stuff is not made by com. So I don't know where intel's spaces.

Now there certainly are still pcs planning a pcs with with intel chips, but it's such a small part of the whole you know mobile dominates in terms of number of devices. And the power of the power of your iphone is ready on a pretty equal level to the power on your back yeah and or on your windows machine right there. It's not I would say the highest standard x the m four max um probably are the most powerful chips.

And but then your phones chips are not not too far behind, right? yes. So yes, anyway, so my my thinking here is that I I don't see until coming back from this, I don't know what intel is gonna do.

If you can produce a chip and your a chip company, you're you, you're done. I mean, people will still use them, but I think that there are just gonna be you know, more insignificant than than what they are. They have to figure out way back.

I think they're missing their Steve jobs. Apple got Steve jobs back and then Steve jobs was the visionary that took him down this new road, right? Tim cook is not necessarily a visionary.

I'd say he's not really a visionary. He but he's he's a great guardian of the flame. So he's been great at keeping Steve jobs vision going and then trying to bring new vision to apple.

But apple is not in trouble, right? Apple is has a lot of a product that and they can they can continued to evolve that those products, but l intel doesn't have that. They had A A very technically guy.

This guy pat gelsinger is is the CEO um not not necessarily a vision ary, but deeply technical, right? And i'm worried that uh they're not going to be able to replace him with somebody who who has that vision. I who who are they gonna get who like.

So that's the question I would keep if I was looking at this and getting a sense of is until gone to make IT are they are gonna recover. They are gone to find a new path who's gna be the new C. E.

O, because they definitely need to be technical, very, very knowledgeable. And they have to be a visionary because that until is in trouble, like apple, you know, replacing Steve jobs, obviously he he got sick and had medication that he died, but but they replaced them with someone who could guard the plane. They don't intel them in my pants. They don't have a flame to guard.

They don't have that. They need somebody to put a Spark in the flame again and so that they can have somebody to guard IT. Yeah just it's not it's not good. The situation is not good at til, but you know they obviously know IT, which is a step in the right direction. No, I just I honestly don't know what they're gonna.

So this guy who just got fired, quit whatever gelsinger he joined until when he was eighteen years old and he worked over thirty years like that. You you can just pluck someone off the street and and you know and have that.

So maybe that's part of the problem, though.

No, I think he's, I think he was great. He he was a, he was A I I obviously he didn't solve the problem, so he wasn't a good CEO in that regard, but that that's the mold. They just need to find someone who can be who who has a vision of where until can go from here.

I'd love IT. I in tells so important this is so such an important technical story um I I really hope that they can solve this because this is the this is a big part of american business, right? This is the a massive american business that that is .

foundering now I I agree with you and they are gonna somebody somebody will have an idea how to to get this all fixed, you know. And l is not gonna bankrupt. And and you know if you'd look at the at the share of Operating systems, even, you know, windows, so pcs have seventy almost seventy three percent market here. Apple has fifteen um which .

which amazes me that fifteen percent number because i'm so used to a being like a five percent number or even as much as a nine fifty percent and that's because of apples, apple.

silicon, right? Yes IT absolutely is. I mean you know about if you um if you look again at um even mobile Operating systems, android is at seventy one worlwide I S S A A almost twenty eight, you know huge difference.

Um but apple is in all of those things. Apple is the high end. Apple is the one that's making money because they are selling the high end products. They're not selling a hundred dollar computer and you know they're selling thousand dollar computers. The margins there for apple are pretty large.

So i've got a couple of quotes from andy growth that I wonder read um that group proposed to these um but I think they've very interesting. These are from back in two thousand so I don't know when apple switch, but IT was after two thousand. Apple wasn't until customer in two thousand .

I I believe .

yeah of course of course. yes. Uh h so here's here's some quotes.

Profits are the lifeblood of enterprise. Don't let anyone tell you different. You must and understand your mistakes. Study the hell out of them. You're not going to have the chance of making the same mistake again.

You can't step into the river again at the same place in the same time, but you will have the chance of making a similar mistake. All of these are things that they didn't pay attention to. Status is a very dangerous thing.

I've met too many people who make IT a point of pride that they never take money out of a cash machine. Now this was in two thousand, and people on to the news, cash anymore, people who are too good to have their own email address because that's for everybody else, but not them. It's hard to fight the temptation to set yourself apart from the rest of the world.

All good. Uh what you're seeing today um he what you're seeing today is a very, very writing. This is back in two thousand.

What you're saying today is a very, very rapid evolution of an industry where the mill you is Better understood by people who grew up in the same time frame as the industry. That's super interesting. A lot of the years that many of us, us have spent in business before this time are of only limited relevance.

So that's the get somebody who I mean get somebody Young I think is is true who who understands that um the change of technology and where IT is today, not where I was yesterday, all of that stuff. It's hard to fine somebody like that. Anyway, I thought all and all of this was fascine to me. I'm glad we got the chance to talk about this because I think this was this is a really important change in our industry.

yes, and that really is all right. Um tell me who David mayor is and what does he want to a break?

ChatGPT what? ChatGPT a ah so this is a probably last weekend the story broke um but uh when you would uh type you're talking to ChatGPT and in your chat you use the word David mayor um in ChatGPT would abruptly in the chat just done broken um and people were trying to figure out why and IT was consistent you could do like you spell backwards R E Y I M D I V I D you spell the backwards to to uh ChatGPT and say what is what is this phrase backwards? Can you say that to me? And so you trick ChatGPT and to say saying David r and IT would end the chat and no matter how you did, you could do crazy puzzle things that had somehow resulted in ChatGPT thinking to itself oh, the answer that mayor and chat.

I mean, I find that fascinating and and it's the so so I don't know that we know what the answer is, is a lot of uh conjecture about why um you know why why this happens um but there's probably something to do with this guy who was a real person, David mayor, who sued you know for right to be removed or right to be forgot. Ten, I think they call IT. You know where you can tell google, I want to be forgotten, I don't ever want to give and there could be something like that. So somewhere he's in and then that people started finding other names and that didn't necessarily have the same thing.

Um but I I think one explanation here is that this guy um ah had a was falsely accused of us navy sexual harassment or something negative and that that A I was had pulled this information together and was repeating IT but IT wasn't true and so you would ask about this personal that would be the result um and so somehow they had to go address the measure to remove him from this database of people um JoNathan zittrain and JoNathan charley also had the same result um bryan hood, they're saying was weird all started so I don't know that uh and also, uh David favor and guido scores are other names. Who cares what these games are? But I first I wonder if if they fixed IT because now someone sent me a screen shot of them typing David mayor into ChatGPT in, you know and IT was fine.

So it's possible it's fixed. But it's interesting to me when stuff like this breaks because it's our A I life now, right? We're we're getting a lot of when I go to google and do a search, I often get an A I summary at the top.

I have you ever seen that? You go to search for something? You get a little. You can see it's constructing A A N answer your question.

And I as careful as I try to be, and I really try to be careful like I too many times i've posted that something and someone said, yeah, that's been disproved or um another one that used to get me was I didn't check the date on the article and IT was an old thing IT wasn't was from two years ago and IT wasn't, you know, so that I try I try to learn from these mistakes. I try to very carefully checked stuff. But with the A I stuff, I tend to want to just accept IT and be like OK.

There's my answer, blue. And I like even as careful as I am, I can't help myself. I still look at that and think i've got the answer.

So this is the kind of thing and there's no it's not like if you said who were the word series winners, the last ten world series winners, that's fact, right? That's not something where somebody needs to uh do inference on or or learn. It's it's a table they can look up.

So if something is wrong, they can fix IT. They go into the table and fix IT. But when it's not table driven, when it's learned, it's not so easy to go back and go to the source of where that piece of information came from because it's all um like a lot of the machine learning stuff is is a probability based.

It's it's a regression. It's it's a big bunch of data that gets much together. And in the end, you don't have a big table of data.

You have you know something more complex than that. And so it's not a easy thing to change that. I don't know if I explain that very well, but my point is that it's it's getting harder and harder to fix these kinds of things.

And then you know we don't have standards because we have you know. Twelve different companies doing A I models that are all gaining traction and they all use a different approach. They all have their own special sauce for for doing A I so anyway, this is maybe boring um but I do I do find .

an interesting one. Last thing before we move on to what watching um I find this interesting. The verge has added a paywall to their site and they they say that you know casual readers can read at all but more regular followers I will be asked to kicking so um it's interesting that the verge is doing this. Um i'm not surprised that this happened. And the subscription is fifty dollars a year.

which I think is very reasonable. Fifty dollars here for any any good know they have a lot of content. So it's not um you know it's not fifty dollars and you can read this set of articles um no, fifty dollars for the wall street journal for a year would be a good deal.

Fifty dollars in your times washing post if if that's your thing. No, I like this idea, like supporting the verge. Um so that's a good deal but what I found interesting about this was the um the the fact that they're solving a problem that is a very difficult problem for journalists as jm u and I i've talked about this extensively.

Um yes, how do you make money? How do you keep people keep journalists employed? How do you keep your brand going?

You you advertising is part of the answer. You can run ads and the bird certainly has s on their pages. Um but it's not enough. And so I paywall it's not that they're trying to take advantage of people. Um you know it's there are like the wall street journal has a few articles that are you can you can read purpose.

You can read the world journal on apple new plus if you have a subscription um and you can read most of their articles, not all of their articles are exposed to apple news or you can pay a lot of money for per year. And that paywall is how the wall street journal makes money. That's how they keep in in business. That's fine. That's the way IT is, but it's a lot of money.

The bird is trying to find a path that maybe a little bit more gives you a little bit more for free um and that idea um IT says um we're launching a bird subscription that lets you get rid of a bunch of ads, gets you unlimited access to our top note reporting and analysis across the site and our killer premium newsletters and generally lets you support independent tech journalism in a world of sponsored implosion or content. 8888， uh, i'm trying to find the part. Uh, O, K, if you don't want to pay, rest assured that big chunks of the verge will remain free.

We're thinking about subscriptions a lot differently than any everybody else. 宝宝 爸。 A few years go， we'd de the only real way to survival, this the the pay wall incursion, uh, was to stand apart Better on website that we can remain independent.

Baba, hang on. I want to find this one specific thing about. Okay, half a million people read the verge at least once a week, and those people read an average of fourteen stories a month. Fifty five thousand you would come to the site every single day. This year I read the virgil lot, but mostly it's recommended you know of encounter links somewhere warm but uh they didn't want to simply pay all the entire site um so our home page, corn news post decoder interview transcripts, quick post stories, dreams and my blogs will remain free um i'm trying to find the thing where they say, okay um many of you will never hit the paywall but if you read us a lot we'll ask you to pay and I don't know what that number is .

but um somebody will find out on I I guess .

the but I guess the ideas you could read the majority of people who casually read the verge will never notice this paywall, right? I I hope this works. I want I I want journalist journalism to survive.

It's so important to us as a society. Um anyway this is a good experiment on on the part of the verge is the subscribed for me. I think if you just go to the verge 点 com， you you'll see this. And you know if you want to spend fifty box and support the verge, I would do IT, though I don't disagree with you. right.

So what we're watching A I have one show and i've been wanting to put this on our radar for eric ani ah for a while because it's a show that I started watching I A decade ago or more uh and it's called the king with Carry Russell and this all came about because we watched the diplomat yeah and Carry Russell is in that and you know, era really liked to and I said OK, even though i've watched some seasons of the americans, we have to watch this and we did and oh my god, i've already caught up to where I was one decade ago and pass that so it's just so good. So good so IT is an older show, but well worth IT oh my god so that should I say the premise that's not a the .

premises of say .

the premise of the premises that um during the cold war in the this is the eighties, a russia was sending uh special Operatives to the us. Who spoke and looked like americans. They were no accent.

They were they knew everything about american history, the same as any person would that grew up here. But they were spice, and they would, you know, they had things that moscow would want them to do, and they would go and do these things. And it's just .

it's it's a ribbit series.

But and this, well, it's on who u IT was an effect show, I believe.

Yes so are they are the same kind of you runs .

all the effects content yeah so if .

you have um disney plus.

who will disney plus a thing you can watch without commercials, which is what I do.

So let me just say the the diplomats, we've talked about this, I think, on two different shells. But IT was worth IT because the diplomat is a great show, a great kerry Russell who who is the diplomats in the diplomats, uh, is fantastic, I believe if she's an exact producer of the diplomats in others. This, the sense I get is that this is her vision.

SHE Carried the show on her shoulders. So I think I I watched the americans. I think I watched three episodes and I did IT was not for me. But now I think i'm i'm definitely going to want to the american it's on my list.

I am so excited to see this because of her because I i've gotten a great appreciation for how graven an actor he is um but also you know what a scene set of a writer of all the things that go into crafting a role. She's she's terrific and I think I I just didn't appreciate that. And i'm certain that everybody who i've talked to about this this says the americans is a great shell.

Absolutely else. It's amazing. IT always has been IT just took me a while to get IT on our list.

It's kind of like dexter with with erika, you know, he had never seen dexter. We watch that. I remembered all, my god, this is so good.

Have now, have you watched dexter more than once? Yes, I watched to twice.

but only because I wanted to watch IT with eric. I wanted her to see IT. So I watched IT when originally came out, and then I watched a game with her last year.

But IT was really good the second time, right? Like you, you appreciated IT just as much, but you ve got to I love when you when it's a great show and you watch at the second time through that's so that's a bit so um any other shows for you?

No.

it's right. I've got i've got a couple of things I want to talk about. Um I have a giant long list of shows that I want to talk about, but I i'll just pick a couple for this week um IT mostly because we didn't do a shell last week.

So I have two weeks worth of a streaming but at last show so two weeks ago, I mentioned a RAM calm called one day on netley. And I want to say IT was definitely not a RAM calm IT. Would I finish the series? And I had I I was like three or four episodes in when I talked about IT and I was raving about IT and IT was very, very good.

But um I just wanted say it's more dramatic than light hearted for people who maybe put IT on the list. I just want to make sure that you understand the covey's of it's not a rampton IT doesn't have that um that IT doesn't have the the light heartless and the ending that ROM comes ROM comes almost always have not all but most you know they get together and they ride off into the sunset and they're happy happily never after. It's not that kind of a thing but IT was really good if you ever saw a star is born uh with lady gaga braddy Cooper. It's it's more like that kind of flavor um but again, very good.

Continue to recommend IT um another thing I watched was beetles sixty four which is a brand new beatles documentary uh from uh gosh at what's one disney plus and and who's the guy who did goodfellas and all all those mars core says he did this and he's in IT um and I thought, you know i've seen get back and I love the details i've seen get back i've seen uh let IT p and I enjoyed every bit of them but I thought it's just enough already why do we need another beedle the documentary this was really good and IT was worth watching and it's shorten of that is you're not you know you're not giving up six hours in your life to watch this is a you know it's a short movie um but really well done tons of stuff that I never saw before, stuff that wasn't in either of the other documentaries. Maybe there's like one moment that's in both or something but but yeah they found a lot of of footage from the sixty four tour um but it's a story of the beatles when they were first getting started and it's really, really well told it's points you know you you you look you look and there's you know palet carney and that there's all four of them there obviously. Uh there's a lot of footage of them um from a long time ago, but then there's interviews they did over the years um where you know where they they're commenting about things that happen anyway if the beetles do anything for you at all, take the time, watch this um and then I want to say one more thing, one more I realized i'm looking at o'clock. I see how that that is um there's a documentary that I think was made for you, jim, and it's called yet rock a documentary about his .

favorite music .

on HBO and I thought this is gonna dobe but I will tell you that it's great if you're a music fan and and you you know you hear you hear that old yet rock music like steel again is considered yet rock which I didn't realize but apparently IT is but certainly you know the dub brothers with um in the music s like no later later but like um why I can't remember .

any so any of their song .

it's the later the later you to be another big massive hits and then Kenny loins and people like that and you you listen total the the thing that made this great is not so much those songs though they are they're all in the in the documentary you hear all the songs and and you sort of seeing a little behind the same stuff of the these various songs um so that's fun but the threads ess the way there is like the guys in total in total expects me the the bay and you know africa you know that song right everybody knows that song they were apparently all over all these other songs and they wrote a lot of these other songs that that you would never have known this and I don't want to spoil IT by saying what what they wrote but the the DNA so so you know how you you see um document music documentaries and you find out that there's this know the recking crew is a span that's on all these different albums like that it's like that you find out who the reckon crew is for all the yard rock um and a lot of IT is connected to steal in which.

I never knew, so anyway I was very good, very watchful, easy. You know just throw IT on and you can be on your phone or do other things and just have IT beyond the background and then every so often something to happen. But peak you're interest look at worth watching a gym and I think you .

should watch IT oh no, do that. I don't my watch and that there's two music things that I can watch from you today.

Yeah, that's right. I'm done.

dave. Thank you very much.

Um I A great day, a great show. I think I I I really appreciate your uh raising the americans reminding me of IT because I really do think it's a it's a great have gone to be a great watch .

six seasons. And um I think there you know the first two seasons have thirteen episodes per season.

Lot lot catch .

up to lot, so it's very good. All right, dave, I will talk to you next week. See body 来。

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